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Re: Should be simple case of "touch my cattle or me, you die"!
« Reply #20 on: April 12, 2014, 01:45:40 PM »
They'll be back. And they won't be held accountable for the damage they've already done, nor the cattle they've already stolen. They're just regrouping, assessing the resistance of this go-round.
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Re: Should be simple case of "touch my cattle or me, you die"!
« Reply #21 on: April 12, 2014, 02:00:15 PM »
They have the resources to continue virtually indefinitely and literally anywhere.
And it seems to me they will, and have, probably, the same group or groups of people running in circles getting in their way...until they've id'd leaders and key personnel to decapitate the movement. Just like we do to our actual enemies.
Yeah, this is not over and it will not end peacefully.
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Re: Should be simple case of "touch my cattle or me, you die"!
« Reply #22 on: April 12, 2014, 03:09:30 PM »
However, they neglected to report this about good old Harry Reid's involvement.

http://www.infowars.com/feds-back-down-from-bundy-siege-after-infowars-expose-of-chinese-land-grab/
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Re: Should be simple case of "touch my cattle or me, you die"!
« Reply #23 on: April 14, 2014, 07:44:06 AM »
I agree with IDP, these thugs aren't going anywhere, they are merely re-consolidating while their masters back in the dank dark halls of Fedcoat cloakrooms plot their next move.  Clearly the Filthy Harry Reid angle is something they have to re-spin, as is the thin case against Mr. Bundy, who I am sure they thought was a convenient patsy for their schemes!  And now that the Desert Tortoise meme is unravelling as well.  It is damage control and what decisions are made by the Feds to reassert their presummed authority...



I hope the Fedcoats choose poorly, I hope they start something they cannot hope to win!

But I fear their cloakroom antics and underhanded activity is only just beginning...

We are now where The Founders were when they faced despotism.

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Re: Should be simple case of "touch my cattle or me, you die"!
« Reply #24 on: April 14, 2014, 07:44:15 AM »
They'll be back, after the election, for sure.  Who outside of a classroom full of Poli Sci retards, could have possibly predicted this whole "pick and choose which laws to follow" thing can work both ways.

I'd prefer the law get's followed, and the people vote to change it if it's not working out.  But if we keep going down this path of lawlessness, I will pick a side, and you can probably guess which side I'll pick


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Re: Should be simple case of "touch my cattle or me, you die"!
« Reply #25 on: April 14, 2014, 08:59:19 AM »
Damn if that ain't a good pic, MNHawk! 
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Re: Should be simple case of "touch my cattle or me, you die"!
« Reply #26 on: April 15, 2014, 07:03:04 AM »
See...I told you so...



Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid hasn't been very vocal about the cattle battle showdown in recent days, but says "it's not over."

Reid tells News4's Samantha Boatman his take on the so-called cattle battle in southern Las Vegas. "Well, it's not over. We can't have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it. So it's not over," Reid said.
http://www.mynews4.com/news/local/story/Sen-Reid-on-Cattle-Battle-Its-not-over/nT5weKnqFkezV14I5GhESg.cspx

Punk ass thug!  The nerve of calling someone else a criminal when he himself is the biggest criminal in the Senate!  Notice he did not even try to enumerate a single crime Bundy has been charged with!  I want this Senate prick to get his in the worst way!


The executive director of the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association says his sources inside the federal government warn that Washington’s weekend retreat in a dispute over grazing land in Nevada was only a move to distract attention and diffuse tensions, because a raid on the family’s ranch still is planned.

And there probably would be violence involved, said Richard Mack, the former sheriff of Graham County, Ariz.
 
“I don’t think it would be possible” to launch a raid without violence, he told WND Monday. “I don’t think the Bundys would lie down and be taken.”

Mack, a longtime sheriff, told WND that Reid’s statements are beyond the pale.
 
“That kind of stupidity, where he puts federal regulations and policies of bureaucrats ahead of a family in his state that has done no wrong or committed a crime,” Mack said.
 
He charged that it is Reid who is destroying his own state’s ranching industry as well as the U.S. Constitution. The sheriff chided the senator for making statements about abiding by laws.
 
“Isn’t that amazing? The biggest crook in Washington,” Mack said.

Yes, America is in deep, deep trouble. The good news is that there is hope,” Mack said. “We do not have to stand by and watch while America is destroyed from within. If our counties, cities, and states and all local officers keep their oaths to protect us from tyranny, we can win this battle to take our country back.


But Bundy found support from the governor and other prominent political leaders along with a host of protesters from other states, including fellow cattle ranchers and private armed militias.
 
A Montana militia member, Jim Lardy, told KLAS-TV in Las Vegas his group, Operation Mutual Aid, was prepared to “provide armed response.”
 
He said he was not afraid to shoot, if necessary.
 
“They have guns. We need guns to protect ourselves from the tyrannical government,” Lardy said.
 
Other militia members were joining him, he said: “There is many more coming.”


http://www.wnd.com/2014/04/sheriff-feds-strategize-for-raid-on-ranch/


Nor should they lie down, and neither should Sheriff's in this county be supporting this fascist action! 

Nor should the Governor be sitting on his fat ass, he should be deploying the Guard to prevent the Feds from conducting a massacre on orders from a punk-ass Senator who wants to steal the land for his cronies and slaughter every creature, human or tortoise, that gets in his way!  This is what you Feds want to die for?  This is what you state and country people want to let happen to YOUR PEOPLE?!

I spit on you, and curse you to eternal damnation!  Bloody cowards!

I hope this militia guy is right, I hope more people and guns are on the way...they're gonna need it!

The gaddamned Feds are hell-bent on stealing this land and giving it to their cronies and they don't care what the body count is on either side!



Judge Napolitano - "...line in the sand..."

Napolitano said the feds were forced to back down because they had suffered a public relations nightmare, pointing out that Bundy lost his case in a federal court but that the case should have been tried in a state court.
 
“The federal judiciary should not be deciding what land the federal government owns,” said Napolitano, adding that the feds should have placed a lien against Bundy’s property to collect grazing fees and not conducted a raid backed up by armed agents to seize his private property.
 
“The government’s option is to take the amount of money he owes them and docket it, that is file the lien on his property….the federal government could have done that, instead they wanted this show of force,” said Napolitano, adding, “They swooped in….with assault rifles aimed and ready and stole this guy’s property, they stole his cattle, they didn’t have the right to do that, that’s theft and they should have been arrested by state officials”.

Napolitano also chastised the BLM’s ludicrous creation of a ‘First Amendment Area’ outside of which free speech was banned. Protesters completely ignored the zone and it was quickly torn down by BLM officials after being widely derided in the media.
 
“They established something utterly repellant in America, a First Amendment Zone….the square was three miles away from where these events were going – this is the federal government emasculating the First Amendment rights of the protesters,” said the judge.
 
Napolitano characterized the resistance shown by Bundy supporters as a clear example of how Americans feel, “enough is enough with the federal government, we’re drawing a line in the sand right here – and it drew people from all around the country who basically said ‘quit your heavy handed theft of property and act like you’re a normal litigant and not God almighty’.”

http://www.infowars.com/judge-napolitano-rancher-rebellion-was-americans-line-in-the-sand/

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Re: Should be simple case of "touch my cattle or me, you die"!
« Reply #27 on: April 15, 2014, 08:06:14 AM »


And...once again...this situation is where I part company with the foolishly naive Glenn Beck...

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/04/14/glenn-beck-warns-americans-against-falling-in-with-the-rights-version-of-occupy-wall-street/

People are NOT the right's version of OWS, you want that, talk to the hardcore PaulBots, Glenn!  We, I, Us...are not "looking for a fight" and We, I, Us...do "care about the facts"...the main fact being that the Federal Government has decided to throw the all of the Constitution into the shytter!  Not parts of it, the whole thing!  You idiot!  You handholding doe-eyed ingnorant little pansy!  Wake up!  No due process, no legal rights, no day in court, property illegally seized and destroyed, no freedom of speech or assembly...just brute Federal force...and you want to what?  Hold hands and chant?  Talk about "love"?  Hey, don't get me wrong, I like holding hands, and singing (well not so much, you haven't heard my voice, but others can sing!) and I like love...but that shyt ain't gonna impress the Fedcoat stormtroopers coming down the road with murder and violence in their hearts!  My God!  For a bright guy you can be unbelievably stupid and naive...dangerously naive!  Now maybe this is your chickenhearted way of covering your ass so you can criticize Fedcoats without being thrown off the air...but hey Pal, guess what's gonna happen top you if the Feds win this one?  Yeah, they'll keep winning and in the end YOU, I, WE, US...ALL FRICKEN LOSE!

I heard some unconfirmed reports that the Fedcoats when they come are going to stack the front lines with lady Fedcoats...thinking they either won't fire on lady Fedcoats (good luck with that one) or if they do they get to air that footage for their own propaganda purposes...like it matters!

What's Glenn gonna do then?  Weep, talk about love?

There is a time for everything...the Fedcoats are coming to kill...

Ask the Founders what they would do!

Fracking Beck!

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Re: Should be simple case of "touch my cattle or me, you die"!
« Reply #28 on: April 15, 2014, 09:25:40 AM »
"Well, it's not over. We can't have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it. So it's not over," Reid said.

Unless they happen to be elected officials. ::overkill::
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Re: Should be simple case of "touch my cattle or me, you die"!
« Reply #29 on: April 15, 2014, 09:39:51 AM »
Harry Reid says:
“Well, it’s not over. We can’t have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it. So it’s not over,” Reid told KRNV-TV.

But,
Illegal aliens that violate the law should be allowed to stay here, since they violated our laws as an ‘Act of Love’.

I need to go listen to “The Look of Love” to find out what all the hub bub about ‘Love’ is and how it relates to the rule of law.

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Re: Should be simple case of "touch my cattle or me, you die"!
« Reply #30 on: April 15, 2014, 10:02:07 AM »

Illegal aliens that violate the law should be allowed to stay here, since they violated our laws as an ‘Act of Love’.


"Laws" applied haphazardly and capriciously aren't laws, they are diktats from tyrants.  When  a lefty says "we are a nation of laws" - they mean " we won  and now make and apply the rules"  - they have no mental capacity for grasping the concept of the"rule of law" because they do not see others as people - but as property, and therefore simply can't conceive that real laws are applied consistently to everyone, and are not rescinded on a whim from the executive from some, while applied most brutally to  to others.

They believe that political power comes from the barrel of a gun, and that is why they want gun control, so no one who opposes them has "political power" or gets a vote.

They are going to get a war, and quite frankly, its LONG overdue.

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Re: Should be simple case of "touch my cattle or me, you die"!
« Reply #31 on: April 15, 2014, 11:25:05 AM »

Illegal aliens that violate the law should be allowed to stay here, since they violated our laws as an ‘Act of Love’.


"Laws" applied haphazardly and capriciously aren't laws, they are diktats from tyrants.  When  a lefty says "we are a nation of laws" - they mean " we won  and now make and apply the rules"  - they have no mental capacity for grasping the concept of the"rule of law" because they do not see others as people - but as property, and therefore simply can't conceive that real laws are applied consistently to everyone, and are not rescinded on a whim from the executive from some, while applied most brutally to  to others.

They believe that political power comes from the barrel of a gun, and that is why they want gun control, so no one who opposes them has "political power" or gets a vote.

They are going to get a war, and quite frankly, its LONG overdue.

Agreed.  They think it is OK to break the law to benefit themselves and they do it at a wholesale level and now they are so full of themselves they think they can get away without nary a scratch and accuse others of breaking laws they never broke or only were forced to break through illegal acts given the thinest patina of legitimacy via legislative, judicial or bureaucratic blessing!  It is time they meet the final arbiter of their fate - US!

Oh, and one more damn thing before I get off my soapbox...

Where in the world are any brave Senators willing to stand up to this prick Reid and warn him in no uncertain terms his ass is next on the line if ONE citizen is harmed in this illegal Federal action?!?!?!

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot and then some?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
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Re: Should be simple case of "touch my cattle or me, you die"!
« Reply #32 on: April 15, 2014, 12:48:24 PM »
"Well, it's not over. We can't have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it. So it's not over," Reid said.

Unless they happen to be elected officials. ::overkill::


  When laws get applied based in what pigeon hole the government decides you belong in instead of the letter of the law then people get mixed signals and the laws no longer apply. When this administration decides to carry out all the laws there won't be an confusion by anybody.

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Re: Should be simple case of "touch my cattle or me, you die"!
« Reply #33 on: April 15, 2014, 01:50:18 PM »


And...once again...this situation is where I part company with the foolishly naive Glenn Beck...

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/04/14/glenn-beck-warns-americans-against-falling-in-with-the-rights-version-of-occupy-wall-street/

People are NOT the right's version of OWS, you want that, talk to the hardcore PaulBots, Glenn!  We, I, Us...are not "looking for a fight" and We, I, Us...do "care about the facts"...the main fact being that the Federal Government has decided to throw the all of the Constitution into the shytter!  Not parts of it, the whole thing!  You idiot!  You handholding doe-eyed ingnorant little pansy!  Wake up!  No due process, no legal rights, no day in court, property illegally seized and destroyed, no freedom of speech or assembly...just brute Federal force...and you want to what?  Hold hands and chant?  Talk about "love"?  Hey, don't get me wrong, I like holding hands, and singing (well not so much, you haven't heard my voice, but others can sing!) and I like love...but that shyt ain't gonna impress the Fedcoat stormtroopers coming down the road with murder and violence in their hearts!  My God!  For a bright guy you can be unbelievably stupid and naive...dangerously naive!  Now maybe this is your chickenhearted way of covering your ass so you can criticize Fedcoats without being thrown off the air...but hey Pal, guess what's gonna happen top you if the Feds win this one?  Yeah, they'll keep winning and in the end YOU, I, WE, US...ALL FRICKEN LOSE!

I heard some unconfirmed reports that the Fedcoats when they come are going to stack the front lines with lady Fedcoats...thinking they either won't fire on lady Fedcoats (good luck with that one) or if they do they get to air that footage for their own propaganda purposes...like it matters!

What's Glenn gonna do then?  Weep, talk about love?

There is a time for everything...the Fedcoats are coming to kill...

Ask the Founders what they would do!

Fracking Beck!

 ::gaah::

Yah, he got to me bad, too, with that. 

"God is in control"; yah, we/I/us know that and I'm praying as well as I can for guidance, but Beck ain't Gandhi nor MLK and I'm not sure AT ALL it would matter if he was or a replacement showed up.

Beck went on and on about how the Founders suffered under the King for a long time before they were moved to action, but, as we haven't cogitated enough, gotten enough people on board, that it's "too soon" to even consider "violence".

Balls.

 
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Re: Should be simple case of "touch my cattle or me, you die"!
« Reply #34 on: April 15, 2014, 02:09:00 PM »
Too many people use "God is in control" as an excuse for passivity in my opinion.  Yes, God is in control, and part of that control is moving men to think, say, and do things.  To put it another way, we've all heard the saying "God helps those who help themselves".

Beck's little Gandhi Complex grated on my nerves even back when he had a show on Fox News.  Gandhi was lucky that his antagonists, the British, were a civilized people who were capable of being shamed and embarrassed into adhering to their own morality.  Compare and contrast to the fate of Dietrich Bonhoeffer in the Nazi regime.
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Re: Should be simple case of "touch my cattle or me, you die"!
« Reply #35 on: April 15, 2014, 02:43:27 PM »
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Gandhi was lucky that his antagonists, the British, were a civilized people who were capable of being shamed and embarrassed into adhering to their own morality.  Compare and contrast to the fate of Dietrich Bonhoeffer in the Nazi regime.

And that's exactly whom we're dealing with in today's Left -- they feel no shame nor embarrassment and they certainly have no morality as I define it.  To them, the end will always justify their means, and they mean to see to our end.

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Re: Should be simple case of "touch my cattle or me, you die"!
« Reply #36 on: April 16, 2014, 07:16:33 AM »


And...once again...this situation is where I part company with the foolishly naive Glenn Beck...

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/04/14/glenn-beck-warns-americans-against-falling-in-with-the-rights-version-of-occupy-wall-street/

People are NOT the right's version of OWS, you want that, talk to the hardcore PaulBots, Glenn!  We, I, Us...are not "looking for a fight" and We, I, Us...do "care about the facts"...the main fact being that the Federal Government has decided to throw the all of the Constitution into the shytter!  Not parts of it, the whole thing!  You idiot!  You handholding doe-eyed ingnorant little pansy!  Wake up!  No due process, no legal rights, no day in court, property illegally seized and destroyed, no freedom of speech or assembly...just brute Federal force...and you want to what?  Hold hands and chant?  Talk about "love"?  Hey, don't get me wrong, I like holding hands, and singing (well not so much, you haven't heard my voice, but others can sing!) and I like love...but that shyt ain't gonna impress the Fedcoat stormtroopers coming down the road with murder and violence in their hearts!  My God!  For a bright guy you can be unbelievably stupid and naive...dangerously naive!  Now maybe this is your chickenhearted way of covering your ass so you can criticize Fedcoats without being thrown off the air...but hey Pal, guess what's gonna happen top you if the Feds win this one?  Yeah, they'll keep winning and in the end YOU, I, WE, US...ALL FRICKEN LOSE!

I heard some unconfirmed reports that the Fedcoats when they come are going to stack the front lines with lady Fedcoats...thinking they either won't fire on lady Fedcoats (good luck with that one) or if they do they get to air that footage for their own propaganda purposes...like it matters!

What's Glenn gonna do then?  Weep, talk about love?

There is a time for everything...the Fedcoats are coming to kill...

Ask the Founders what they would do!

Fracking Beck!

 ::gaah::

Yah, he got to me bad, too, with that. 

"God is in control"; yah, we/I/us know that and I'm praying as well as I can for guidance, but Beck ain't Gandhi nor MLK and I'm not sure AT ALL it would matter if he was or a replacement showed up.

Beck went on and on about how the Founders suffered under the King for a long time before they were moved to action, but, as we haven't cogitated enough, gotten enough people on board, that it's "too soon" to even consider "violence".

Balls.

How can Beck even argue something so ridiculous?  Out of his own mouth he has told us the progressive march began way back under Teddy Roosevelt and got a big kick-start from Wilson, and from FDR onward it has been almost nothing but!  And he has the nerve to look at us in the eye and say with a straight face that we haven't suffered enough, that we haven't exhausted all avenues?!  What a disingenuous pompous ass!  There is a name Mr. Beck should learn - John Dickenson.  Dickenson was from Pennsylvania and in the debate over the Declaration of Independence he was against the use of force to assert colonial rights, he abstained on the votes and refused to sign and resigned from the Continental Congress.  Mr. Beck would be well advised the follow the example of Mr. Dickenson!  I would challenge Mr. Beck to point to one sign, just one that there is any significant force available in this nation at this specific time (let alone any prospect for the immediate future) where our oppression and tyranny can be rolled back?  No pie-in-the-sky BS, no if's and but's...I want cold hard reality, an honest assessment of the possible, not more Pollyanna hopey wishy washy fantasies!  But he cannot point to anything, there is NO political movement that can a) repeal what needs to be repealled b) impeach all who need to be impeach c) arrest and prosecute all who need to be arrested and prosecutes and d) ensure measures are taken where no such lawlessness against the American people and OUR LIBERTY will ever be in danger, ever again!

If Mr. Back had ANY honor, he would abstain, he would not condemn others for doing what is necessary and which our Founders made perfectly clear is our DUTY!



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Re: Should be simple case of "touch my cattle or me, you die"!
« Reply #37 on: April 17, 2014, 08:27:48 AM »
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Re: Should be simple case of "touch my cattle or me, you die"!
« Reply #38 on: April 17, 2014, 09:37:12 AM »
I rather expect a media frenzy showing what an evil bunch the Militia movement is to begin shortly,.. Didn't Slick Willy pull that nonsense when he was prez just to divert attention from his serial lying..

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Re: Should be simple case of "touch my cattle or me, you die"!
« Reply #39 on: April 17, 2014, 10:04:50 AM »
Well, at the height of his having sullied a tubby young intern in the Oval Office he did launch a crusie missile or two...blowing up an asprin factory in Somalia or some damned place and scaring a few camels...
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