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Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
« Reply #100 on: October 28, 2016, 03:18:19 PM »
From what I read, there were more government informers in that siege than there were defendants.
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Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
« Reply #101 on: April 26, 2017, 07:56:46 AM »
LaVoy's murderers still walking free...government still imprisoning those awaiting kangaroo court justice...jury trying to play ball with the police state but finsing it difficult...

http://libertynation.com/bundy-verdict-two-points-view/

...what a fricken joke...

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Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
« Reply #102 on: April 26, 2017, 03:43:34 PM »
LaVoy's murderers still walking free...government still imprisoning those awaiting kangaroo court justice...jury trying to play ball with the police state but finsing it difficult...

http://libertynation.com/bundy-verdict-two-points-view/

...what a fricken joke...

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It shows that throwing on charge after charge after charge shouldn't be and is likely very unconstitutional (not like that matters anymore either).    The government knows if it only goes after the one big charge,  they could lose.   So that's how we have ended up with these trials where all these many charges are brought.   So the government wins even if only one or two charges result in conviction.     You could be found innocent on 8 other things,  but since they got you on one,  you still lose even if you win most of it.

I think its the thumb on the scale of justice.  It's not just this case in particular,  but the whole system that has developed in the last half century or so.

I think the only way that ends (since a change in law is unlikely) if large amounts of juries start finding people innocent of all charges,  when they have these cases where there is a dozen charges.   Your either did something or not.    Picking from the "menu" only helps the government,  which juries shouldn't be doing.   The jury should always give the benefit of the doubt to the defendant,  never the government.   
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Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
« Reply #103 on: April 27, 2017, 06:59:57 AM »
LaVoy's murderers still walking free...government still imprisoning those awaiting kangaroo court justice...jury trying to play ball with the police state but finsing it difficult...

http://libertynation.com/bundy-verdict-two-points-view/

...what a fricken joke...

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It shows that throwing on charge after charge after charge shouldn't be and is likely very unconstitutional (not like that matters anymore either).    The government knows if it only goes after the one big charge,  they could lose.   So that's how we have ended up with these trials where all these many charges are brought.   So the government wins even if only one or two charges result in conviction.     You could be found innocent on 8 other things,  but since they got you on one,  you still lose even if you win most of it.

I think its the thumb on the scale of justice.  It's not just this case in particular,  but the whole system that has developed in the last half century or so.

I think the only way that ends (since a change in law is unlikely) if large amounts of juries start finding people innocent of all charges,  when they have these cases where there is a dozen charges.   Your either did something or not.    Picking from the "menu" only helps the government,  which juries shouldn't be doing.   The jury should always give the benefit of the doubt to the defendant,  never the government.   

Yes, this is what happens when lawyers run amok...their "pleading in the alternative" (ie-throw as much shyt at the wall and see what sticks) method should not have been institutionalized as if it were Constitutional, nor should juries have ever accepted the practice of picking and choosing which laws may or may not have been broken so the prosecution can get some sort of conviction or not...HTF can a lessor charge be acceptable if in most all cases the more serious charge it is linked to be found to be without merit?  Did the defendant consciously choose to commit the less egregious crime at the time because the more serious offense was just too much to risk?  And if these judicial statists want to give juries choices then clearly the juries need to start taking this more seriously and think about if they were in this same circumstance and start finding people not guilty on ALL charges!  But that will be hard, the statists have a domesticated herd on their side in most cases...and even if just one juror holds out for acquittal on all charges...it is a hung jury and they get a Mulligan to try again with a new crop of idiots.  IMO a hung jury in non-capital/rape cases should be treated like an acquittal.
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Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
« Reply #104 on: August 23, 2017, 06:38:02 AM »
https://www.weaselzippers.us/354247-no-guilty-verdicts-in-bundy-ranch-standoff-trial/

WTF?  So for those 4, how many Mulligan's do the effing Fedcoats get?!

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Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
« Reply #105 on: August 24, 2017, 02:15:26 PM »
Wow,  the jury did it job, in spite of the deck being stacked in favor of the feds.   Even the AZ paper was pointing that out. 

Those two guys with the leftover gun charges are going to get the full fury of the state though.   They will be brought to trial for sure,  and they will get the full treatment.   Even though the feds have now lost twice,  they will still go for it. 

Surprised of the lack of coverage.   Thought this verdict would add to the fire.

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Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
« Reply #106 on: August 25, 2017, 11:34:39 AM »
Imagine if the statists sent after BLM terrorists this hard?!

People who know better, do...those who don't will suffer for it one way or another...

But there is no way this doesn't up the kinetic response when it comes...

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Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
« Reply #107 on: November 28, 2017, 07:35:03 AM »
This is unreal...almost like a piece out of Atlas Shrugged...

http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=2290

...I don't know what kind of jury they got for this round...but the BLM is a bunch of goons out of control...

...sure would be nice if we had an AG and SecInterior worth a damn to shut these goosestepping morons down...
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Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
« Reply #109 on: December 04, 2017, 01:24:14 PM »
I suspect Bundy believes he's safer in jail, from the Feds, than out.
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« Reply #110 on: December 04, 2017, 03:16:50 PM »
Could be.
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Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
« Reply #111 on: December 04, 2017, 06:04:41 PM »
So it's only a pre-trial release. They still have to be put through the injustice of trial. I don't think he fears for his life. I think he's making the government live with their oppression of him, refusing to give them the optics of having mercy wile they steal his rights. His sons with small children made a different choice, and can't be blamed for it. But I respect his decision.
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Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
« Reply #112 on: December 05, 2017, 07:41:06 AM »
I agree...this is his way of further highlighting the injustice of the government, I cannot imagine acting different if in his place.  It's his Hank Reardon moment before his oppressors.
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Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
« Reply #113 on: December 19, 2017, 12:05:17 PM »
Good Lord is this a damning disclosure!  It should be immediate grounds for a dismissal!  But as we all know...judges in Latter Day America are seldom intelligent and unbiased...

Still, this is incredible to read!  Not surprised the Statists invaded the investigators office...it's what fascisti do!

An investigation into the Bureau of Land Management’s (BLM) handling of the 2014 Nevada standoff with rancher Cliven Bundy revealed “incredible bias,” widespread misconduct and likely illegal actions by the BLM.

Prosecutors shared the report with the Bundys’ defense attorneys, prompting a petition to Judge Gloria Navarro for a mistrial, or for the case to be dismissed altogether, The Oregonian reports. Navarro’s judgement is expected to come down Wednesday.

“It’s time for our men to go home and start making a living for their families,” Carol Bundy, Cliven Bundy’s wife, told The Daily Caller News Foundation. “We’re two years behind. We’ve got a lot of catching up to do.”

The investigation’s report, made by BLM Special Agent Larry Wooten and addressed to the Department of Justice, was publicized last week after Washington state Rep. Matt Shea posted it on his Facebook page, according to The Wall Street Journal.

Wooten’s 18-page report discussed some of what he witnessed during his three-year investigation, such as a BLM agent’s “kill list” featuring people who had committed suicide while under investigation by the agency, BLM agents and officials referring to the Bundys as “retards” and “douche bags,” agents bragging about “grinding” a Bundy family member’s face into gravel, and lead prosecutor and Nevada’s acting U.S. Attorney Steve Myhre’s “preferred ignorance” of investigation details that would benefit the Bundys’ defense case.

Former Special Agent Dan Love, who was in charge of impounding Cliven Bundy’s cattle in 2014, conducted “the most intrusive, oppressive, large scale and militaristic trespass cattle impound possible” against Bundy’s ranch against the direction of the U.S. attorney’s office, according to Wooten. The Bundys’ defense strategy accuses the BLM of using overly-aggressive and threatening tactics.


Navarro has ruled that Myhre’s prosecution team has committed numerous Brady Act violations failing to turn over exculpatory evidence, evidence that may exonerate the Bundys. In light of the violations and Wooten’s memo, Navarro sent the jury home last week as she considers ruling a mistrial or dismissing the case.

Wooten was removed from his position in the investigation in February by Myhre and his notes and case materials were taken. Assistant Special Agent Kent Klemen carried out Myhre’s order to gather Wooten’s data in what Wooten called a “raid” on his office.

Myhre declined TheDCNF’s request for comment.


http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/18/report-fed-agency-committed-militaristic-operation-against-nevada-rancher/?utm_campaign=atdailycaller&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social

Full document here - https://redoubtnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Larry-Wooten-Communication_77PI.pdf

Another all too obvious reason why all these rogue agencies need to be ENDED!!!!   ::outrage::

Of course these goons felt even more entitled to be goons under Obama, Holder & Lynch!

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Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
« Reply #114 on: December 19, 2017, 01:18:22 PM »
When reading international news I come across stories of Chinese workers occupying a factory or Norwegian farmers blocking roads and dumping milk or French farmers dumping manure on the courthouse steps.

I think of the Bundy actions which are mild in comparison and the police over response. I wonder if we don't live in more of a police state than the Chinese etc.
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Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
« Reply #115 on: December 20, 2017, 06:54:37 AM »
Well, to be fair to the Norwegian and French (if I have to be!)...not aware that they are lining people up for executions on a scale that China has...

But I get your point...

I think most are police states to one degree or another...people here have that NIMBY-numbness blinding them to reality like this when it pops up though...
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Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
« Reply #116 on: December 20, 2017, 01:23:23 PM »
Judge is a fricken moron and a coward!

Navarro stopped short of dismissing charges against the four men. It is unclear whether the case will be retried because Navarro did not rule whether the mistrial was with or without prejudice.

She has set another hearing for January and has tentatively scheduled a new trial to begin Feb. 26.


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-20/judge-declares-mistrial-bundy-case-says-government-willfully-withheld-evidence

Should have been a slam-dunk dismissal!  All that government heavy-handedness and bias...and the effing judge doesn't think I rises to an high enough level to warrant dismissal?

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Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
« Reply #117 on: December 20, 2017, 04:16:47 PM »
Rule of Law > DEAD.
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Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
« Reply #118 on: December 20, 2017, 05:06:47 PM »
Well, to be fair to the Norwegian and French (if I have to be!)...not aware that they are lining people up for executions on a scale that China has...

But I get your point...

I think most are police states to one degree or another...people here have that NIMBY-numbness blinding them to reality like this when it pops up though...

I think China executes people about 5x the per capita rate of the US.  Their rate is decreasing.

The over reaction of US police,in numbers alone, to the Bundys, Ruby Ridge etc. seem disproportionate to the 'crime.'

Disclaimer: Yes I know that the rules of engagement allow shooting a 50 year  old mentally ill homeless man with a knife. Still
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Iigvm5iPkU




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Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
« Reply #119 on: December 21, 2017, 07:27:59 AM »
Well, to be fair to the Norwegian and French (if I have to be!)...not aware that they are lining people up for executions on a scale that China has...

But I get your point...

I think most are police states to one degree or another...people here have that NIMBY-numbness blinding them to reality like this when it pops up though...

I think China executes people about 5x the per capita rate of the US.  Their rate is decreasing.

The over reaction of US police,in numbers alone, to the Bundys, Ruby Ridge etc. seem disproportionate to the 'crime.'

Disclaimer: Yes I know that the rules of engagement allow shooting a 50 year  old mentally ill homeless man with a knife. Still
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Iigvm5iPkU

Some are less obvious than others...seriously...sometimes I think they just crave the live target fire...and don't really give a damn...

And that kind of attitude is contagious...know what I mean?
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