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Title: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: BMG on October 18, 2011, 12:16:32 PM
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/18/us-italy-ratings-sp-idUSTRE79H4RZ20111018 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/18/us-italy-ratings-sp-idUSTRE79H4RZ20111018)

Buckle up people! This may be the start of the collapse of the EU.

Guess we'll know after we see what happens with Greece this week. Just last week I read a story about Germany saying 'no more cash from Germany to bail out Greece'. Some blog posts I was reading at the time were basically saying that the EU was set to fall either before or by the end of the year.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/8819195/German-push-for-Greek-default-risks-EMU-wide-snowball.html#disqus_thread (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/8819195/German-push-for-Greek-default-risks-EMU-wide-snowball.html#disqus_thread)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: charlesoakwood on October 18, 2011, 12:19:16 PM

Could say they have separated, irreconcilable differences, terms of the final divorce have not been settled upon.

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 18, 2011, 12:24:07 PM
It was utter folly for such disparate nations with such disparate cultures and interests to think they could possibly unite in the first place. Socialist utopia. Phhhht.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: ToddF on October 18, 2011, 12:24:15 PM
Yes.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: BMG on October 18, 2011, 12:28:46 PM
@Charles:
Indeed.

If it does go belly up it'll end up being a good news bad news scenario to (at least in my non-professional estimation).

Good news in that people all over the world will only have socialist policies to blame because all of these failing economies are to one degree or another, socialist in nature. It seems to me that this could bring about a global conservative resurgence.

Bad news in that it will bring into being a global depression that looks like it would make the Great Depression of our grandparents seem like good times.

The question(s) I have is: Is this possible near-future collapse by design as an effort to destroy the economies of the 'west' and to then rebuild with a full-on socialist government? And if so, have the globalists overestimated and will the pendulum swing back toward conservatism as a result of the crashing economies?
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: charlesoakwood on October 18, 2011, 12:42:13 PM

The only millionaires created in Europe are those who are the children of millionaires.  No wealth is created
in Europe.  That is the result of nanny state regulation.

The United States wants for nothing, if we go back to our faith, and deregulate, our economy will take off
like a Saturn rocket.

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on October 18, 2011, 01:26:55 PM
Socialism, the ultimate Ponzi scheme without peer.

It's to die for, ain't it?

/

 ::unknowncomic::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: trapeze on October 18, 2011, 01:45:11 PM
War has been declared over less than this. We live in precarious times.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Damn_Lucky on October 18, 2011, 04:29:27 PM
Yes and if we don't get rid of the current admin. we are next. ::thinking::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: AlanS on October 18, 2011, 07:03:04 PM
Good news in that people all over the world will only have socialist policies to blame because all of these failing economies are to one degree or another, socialist in nature. It seems to me that this could bring about a global conservative resurgence.

But try to get the socialists to admit their failures. Good luck with that.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Sectionhand on October 19, 2011, 05:36:20 AM
When the EU was first proposed I had to laugh . I told anyone who would listen that those countries haven't been able to agree on a damned thing in a thousand years . Why in hell should they start now ?
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: BMG on October 22, 2011, 08:32:25 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/8843785/New-euro-empire-plot-by-Brussels.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/8843785/New-euro-empire-plot-by-Brussels.html)

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European Union chiefs are drawing up plans for a single “Treasury” to oversee tax and spending across the 17 eurozone nations.

The proposal, put forward by Herman Van Rompuy, the European Council president, would be the clearest sign yet of a new “United States of Europe” — with Britain left on the sidelines.

The plan comes as European governments desperately trying to save the euro from collapse last night faced a new bombshell, with sources at the International Monetary Fund saying it would not pay for a second Greek bail-out.

So in essence what this piece is saying is that since throwing money at the problem through bailouts which has not worked (duh!),  the EU is looking to gather all of the 'treasuries' of all of the member nations under one umbrella - effectively ending the sovereignty of each of those members. I would think that that would be even more difficult to do than juggling bailouts frankly.

This is looking pretty ominous to me - I've been reading blogs and opinion pieces for the last couple months that are saying that the EU will fall by the end of the year and this seems like a hail Mary pass on the part of the EU leadership that I have doubts is going to work out favorably. I'm starting to think that those blogs and articles are pretty close to being right on the money.

Here's another quote from this piece:

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The single Treasury plan emerged in Brussels yesterday as Europe’s finance ministers tried to find a way out of the crisis engulfing the eurozone. A full-scale rescue plan could cost about £1.75 trillion.

Germany in particular who has been fronting the lion's share of the bailout cashola thus far is balking at coming up with still more to bridge that 1.75 Trillion pound sterling (or about 2.7 trillion dollars) shortfall that they currently have in order to bail out the EU. Thus, the whole notion of bailing out the EU has apparently fallen to the wayside and they are now considering this other method.

Wow...socialism and big government advocates sure do cause a lot of trouble don't they?

On the other side of the pond (over here that is), it seems we have this to look forward to if the EU should fall.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/eu-bank-failures-will-crash-wall-street-again-2011-10-18 (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/eu-bank-failures-will-crash-wall-street-again-2011-10-18)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Pandora on October 22, 2011, 09:09:44 PM
Insanity is keeping doing whatever one does and expecting a different result.  They're going to double-down on their failure -- do it harder!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: John Florida on October 22, 2011, 09:14:40 PM
All the EU managed to do was open it's borders and let every form of vermin in to help speed up the fall of the EU.Overwhelm the system from within and watch it collaps.Get so many people on the dole that the goverments fail. Sound familiar?
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: BMG on October 22, 2011, 09:26:12 PM
@Pandora and John Fl.:

Yup.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Dan on October 22, 2011, 09:38:35 PM
I just don't see it as an "if", just a "when". It can't be sustained.
Cloward and Piven may have put a name on it,. but the idea, a form of economic warfare, isn't new. They're Marxists, after all.
And as far as a "global conservative movement"...I just don't see it happening. NOt with the piss-poor state of education over the last 30-40 yrs. Nobody's taught civics or any sort of citizen responsibility, combined with the outright hostility towards the West permeating education and the "dumbing-down" of the "feel good about myself and you owe me just for being here" generation.
The radicals of the 60's who wanted to see everything "Burn, baby, burn!" remember them? They now hold the levers of power and the unionized thugs in uniforms will place the boot on the neck with nary a second thought.

I've told my wife on several occasions that opur kids will grow up in a world very different from the one we did. First time I said it, she responded with technological accomplishments our parents didn't have.
She missed the point.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Sectionhand on October 23, 2011, 04:48:11 AM
My grandparents were born at the end of the 19th century . If they walked into a school today , the first thing they'd notice would be the anarchy and chaos in the classrooms . Standards of deportment and civility are out the window and may never come back . Too , too bad .
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: BigAlSouth on October 23, 2011, 05:53:21 PM
The question is: Will the collapse of the EU drag the U.S. economy into a depression?

The Fed apparently has infused billions of freshly printed US currency into Europe in hopes of fending off a collapse. Greece, Spain, Portugal. Holding on for dear economic life. What happens when they can't repay their debt? A cascade of dominoes all the way to Main Street, U.S.A.?

I gots a bad feelin bout dis . . .
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: BMG on October 23, 2011, 07:02:58 PM
That's about the size of it BigAl. It could be as bad as that - and not just on main street U.S.A but on main streets all over the planet. How bad it actually gets remains to be seen. But since all the economies around the globe are essentially tied together if something this big happens you can almost count on a domino effect that will touch most of the world's population.

Of course we can hope that it doesn't get that bad, but I tend to live by this saying: Hope for the best and plan for the worst. So I've been making plans just in case.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: John Florida on October 23, 2011, 07:11:04 PM
The question is: Will the collapse of the EU drag the U.S. economy into a depression?

The Fed apparently has infused billions of freshly printed US currency into Europe in hopes of fending off a collapse. Greece, Spain, Portugal. Holding on for dear economic life. What happens when they can't repay their debt? A cascade of dominoes all the way to Main Street, U.S.A.?

I gots a bad feelin bout dis . . .

 This explains why the Chinese and Russions have no part in it. Were the geniuses that stuck our foot in it so we get dragged down into it.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on October 24, 2011, 07:28:14 AM
Don't worry, just buy some of Turbo Timmy's Magic Elixir - Hopey/Changey T-Floaters for everyone!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: BMG on October 25, 2011, 11:21:38 AM
Italian Government on brink of collapse (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/21d5c8be-feeb-11e0-9b2f-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1bnwz1k91)

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Silvio Berlusconi’s centre-right coalition government in Italy appears in danger of collapsing over European Union demands for a demonstration of concrete action on economic reform by Wednesday’s summit of eurozone leaders.

The EU growing dimmer by the minute (http://money.cnn.com/2011/10/25/news/international/europe_crisis_talks/index.htm?section=money_markets)

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While the stakes are exceedingly high, expectations for bold and swift action are dim. It took three months for comparatively modest crisis measures announced in July to be approved by all 17 euro area governments.

Some experts have already dismissed Wednesday's meeting as a prelude to the Group of 20 summit in early November, when the world's most powerful leaders will gather in Cannes, France, to discuss economic affairs, among other things.

"We have no confidence at all that the various proposed strategies will provide any effective fix for Europe's ills," said Ian Gordon, an analyst at investment bank Evolution Securities in London.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: AlanS on October 25, 2011, 11:40:41 AM
The EU's demise is inevitable. And the idiots in power here can't see we're headed the down the same hole. ::lalanotlistening::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Pandora on October 25, 2011, 12:18:10 PM
And now some leftist idiot in the Vatican is calling for one world-body to police the world's finances.  Which is typical of leftists - the EU is a stinking failure so we should do it again only bigger.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on October 25, 2011, 12:40:26 PM
People are failing to properly manage their decline, maybe we can export Obama to them, that'd be a nice two-fer!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: BMG on October 25, 2011, 04:32:01 PM
Losing the Economic Battle: The global debt apocalypse approaches. (http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/losing-economic-battle_598447.html?nopager=1)

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A year ago, senior European officials never dreamed they’d be in their current mess. Greece represents only 3 percent of the Eurozone economy. Bailout tricks and clever central bank interventions were supposed to calm nervous markets. That happened, but didn’t last. A powerful global financial market brought officials to their knees. Today, many European policymakers can’t believe America is risking a similar outcome. True, as a means of protection the Fed itself will try to manipulate credit markets by keeping long-term interest rates artificially low. But global financial markets will simply penalize bank stocks, a phenomenon that may result in a credit contraction and double dip recession.

This losing battle has already contributed to global public debt-to-GDP ratios that boggle the mind. We may be saving our banks, but we’re losing our economy.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on October 26, 2011, 07:23:27 AM
Kinda like autoerotic asphyxia, eh?

 ::rimshot::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: jpatrickham on October 27, 2011, 10:24:45 AM
Dispatch: Divergent Views of the EU and Russia in the Baltic States

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"Analyst Eugene Chausovsky, currently visiting Riga, Latvia, explores the different approaches taken by Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania toward relations with Russia and the European Union."
Watch the Video »

http://www.stratfor.com/analysis/20111026-dispatch-divergent-views-eu-and-russia-baltic-states?utm_source=freelist-f&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=111027&utm_term=sweekly&utm_content=watchvideo&elq=5515f4d602bb47229ea595f78800f246

Intellectually speaking: ::whatgives::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on October 27, 2011, 11:19:23 AM
I like the Lithianian approach to Russia.

Too bad we cannot strengthen ties with them, as soon as Europe implodes this will be among the first nations the Russian Bear devours...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: BMG on November 03, 2011, 06:20:31 PM
http://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/2011/10/26/euro-disunification/?singlepage=true (http://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/2011/10/26/euro-disunification/?singlepage=true)

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Dr. Pippa Malmgren, a former economic advisor to George W. Bush and a former advisor to Deutsche Bank (DB). According to Malmgren, Germany has already ordered the printing of Deutsche Marks in anticipation of a possible withdrawal from the EU.

Of course, this could simply be, 'being ready for any eventuality'. But - printing money isn't exactly cheap and I seriously doubt that a government would be doing this unless they had good reason to think that there was a decent chance of having to use it...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on November 04, 2011, 07:08:54 AM
Sometimes preparing for the worst is justified...but on matters of this scale sometimes it can be a self-fullfilling prophecy too.

We'll find out soon enough...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: John Florida on November 04, 2011, 06:25:29 PM
Sometimes preparing for the worst is justified...but on matters of this scale sometimes it can be a self-fullfilling prophecy too.

We'll find out soon enough...

 I don't know if one can even prepare for this much crap.I'm at I hope I have enough stage.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: jpatrickham on November 05, 2011, 09:07:52 AM
Quote from: Libertas link=topic=3449.msg41120#msg 41120 date=1320408534
Sometimes preparing for the worst is justified...but on matters of this scale sometimes it can be a self-fulfilling prophecy too.

We'll find out soon enough...



I listened to Glenn Beck, started stocking up on food and water. Also last year bought my first gun, never thought I needed one until "RECENTLY" It is a 9 mm Glock. The other day I saw a Ruger online cheap, 380 weighs 9 ounces, bought it. It will be perfect in my pocket. Boy, how times have changed. I am over 60 and have health problems, can't protect like I used to but, still one Hell of a scrapper if need be, for about 3-5 minute give or take.

Didn't do this for me, or my Wife, we have had a good life, exciting at least. It is for my Son, and his Family, still protective and want to see them have a chance to grab the brass ring. Every single American should have that chance. I will fight like the dickens to help insure that, even with a scumbag like Barack Obama trying to take away that brass ring.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: BMG on November 05, 2011, 11:56:09 AM
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Didn't do this for me, or my Wife, we have had a good life, exciting at least. It is for my Son, and his Family, still protective and want to see them have a chance to grab the brass ring. Every single American should have that chance. I will fight like the dickens to help insure that, even with a scumbag like Barack Obama trying to take away that brass ring.

                                                                          ::clapping::

Amen JP!

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: jpatrickham on November 08, 2011, 09:27:19 AM
Europe, the International System and a Generational Shift

By George Friedman

November 8, 2011

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"Change in the international system comes in large and small doses, but fundamental patterns generally stay consistent. From 1500 to 1991, for example, European global hegemony constituted the world’s operating principle. Within this overarching framework, however, the international system regularly reshuffles the deck in demoting and promoting powers, fragmenting some and empowering others, and so on. Sometimes this happens because of war, and sometimes because of economic and political forces. While the basic structure of the world stays intact, the precise way it works changes.

The fundamental patterns of European domination held for 500 years. That epoch of history ended in 1991, when the Soviet Union — the last of the great European empires — collapsed with global consequences. In China, Tiananmen Square defined China for a generation. China would continue its process of economic development, but the Chinese Communist Party would remain the dominant force. Japan experienced an economic crisis that ended its period of rapid growth and made the world’s second-largest economy far less dynamic than before. And in 1993, the Maastricht Treaty came into force, creating the contemporary European Union and holding open the possibility of a so-called United States of Europe that could counterbalance the United States of America."

Read more »http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20111107-europe-international-system-and-generational-shift?utm_source=freelist-f&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20111108&utm_term=gweekly&utm_content=readmore&elq=cf179edde956457ca5697b9ed461b931
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: BMG on November 09, 2011, 09:37:13 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/nov/09/european-debt-crisis-eurozone-breakup (http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/nov/09/european-debt-crisis-eurozone-breakup)

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European debt crisis spiralling out of control. Reports that Germany and France have begun talks to break up the eurozone amid fears that Italy will be too big to rescue

http://www.cnbc.com/id/45225209 (http://www.cnbc.com/id/45225209)

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Italian 10-year bond yields shot above the 7 percent level that is widely deemed unsustainable, reflecting investors' concerns that they may not get their money back and prompting German Chancellor Angela Merkel to issue a call to arms.

Merkel said Europe's plight was now so "unpleasant'' that deep structural reforms were needed quickly, warning the rest of the world would not wait.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/45224770 (http://www.cnbc.com/id/45224770)

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Italy's debt woes signal "a new, even more dangerous phase in Europe's debt crisis," Mohamed El-Erian, co-chief investment officer at PIMCO, said Wednesday.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/45228690 (http://www.cnbc.com/id/45228690)

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"It's not just Italy. The contagion is spreading. They've got to stop this," said Marc Chandler, Brown Brothers Harriman chief currency strategist. "The French bond spread to the German bund is at a new high. Three month Libor is at its highest level in more than a year... All of this is showing rising tensions."



Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on November 10, 2011, 07:04:35 AM
Another link -

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/nov/09/european-debt-crisis-eurozone-breakup (http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/nov/09/european-debt-crisis-eurozone-breakup)

To big to save!

 ::hysterical::

Somebody send that to Obama, quick!

 ::hysterical::

And wtf does this really mean?

"That will mean more Europe, not less Europe,''

Huh?  Is Merkel making a play for Queen of Europe?

Looks like the Old World could descend into anarchy and depostism quicker than we!

They got a track record, ya know?!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 10, 2011, 10:17:45 AM

It's a race to the bottom for sure.

If not queen, she wants Germany to be at the top of the heap.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: BMG on November 10, 2011, 10:39:22 AM
A lot of the text in the stories I've been reading about this topic lately seem to have elements of; 'Germany wanting to rule over all of Europe through the EU'. Maybe that is Germany's end game - but this seems so unstable right now that I have doubts that Germany will ever be able to make that happen before the whole house of cards tumbles.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 10, 2011, 11:01:21 AM

Old genetic fears and the knowledge that Germany
is the most disciplined and stable country on the continent.


and they still know how to make things
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: AlanS on November 10, 2011, 04:59:41 PM

Old genetic fears and the knowledge that Germany
is the most disciplined and stable country on the continent.


and they still know how to make things

And are still quite productive. Odd they don't have the nanny state the rest of Europe has adopted.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: BMG on November 11, 2011, 02:28:17 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/8882643/France-plots-eurozone-breakaway-group.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/8882643/France-plots-eurozone-breakaway-group.html)

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France is drawing up plans to create a breakaway organisation of eurozone countries with its own treaty, parliament and headquarters – a move that could significantly undermine the existing European Union.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Pandora on November 11, 2011, 02:54:43 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/8882643/France-plots-eurozone-breakaway-group.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/8882643/France-plots-eurozone-breakaway-group.html)

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France is drawing up plans to create a breakaway organisation of eurozone countries with its own treaty, parliament and headquarters – a move that could significantly undermine the existing European Union.

It is my understanding that the French were the leading advocates for the EU in the first place, thinking their prominence and control would be increased through this avenue.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: BMG on November 11, 2011, 03:02:55 PM
I believe you're correct Pan.

Judging by this most recent story it looks like France is getting nervous that their prominence and control are going to be seriously weakened by this EU mess and are looking to dodge the bullet with this latest move. Don't know whether it will work or not - I suspect not - but one thing seems very clear to me. With this story now and the one last week about Germany starting to print their own money again...the EU is SERIOUSLY close to failing, these two countries are just getting ready for when it happens and the rest of world realizes it.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: BMG on November 15, 2011, 09:01:34 AM
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-14/cameron-says-debt-crisis-is-chance-to-ebb-back-ties-in-rebuff-to-merkel.html (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-14/cameron-says-debt-crisis-is-chance-to-ebb-back-ties-in-rebuff-to-merkel.html)

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U.K. Prime Minister David Cameron rebuffed a call by German Chancellor Angela Merkel for political union in Europe, underlining Britain’s growing distance from the 17-nation euro area as it seeks to resolve its debt crisis.

The crisis offers an opportunity for powers to “ebb back” from Europe to nation states, Cameron said in a speech in London last night. Hours earlier, Merkel told her Christian Democratic Union party in the eastern German city of Leipzig that it’s time to push for closer political ties and tighter budget rules. Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte said today that the debate was deflecting attention from the fiscal crisis.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on November 15, 2011, 09:19:09 AM
A hodgepodge of conglomeration, going it alone and being cast aside seems inevitable...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: BMG on November 16, 2011, 07:56:46 AM
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/15/us-eurozone-idUSTRE7AC15K20111115 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/15/us-eurozone-idUSTRE7AC15K20111115)

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France came under heavy fire on global markets Tuesday, reflecting fears that the euro zone's second biggest economy is being sucked into a spiraling debt crisis.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on November 16, 2011, 08:24:03 AM
So that's what I heard?!   ::hysterical::

Yeah, big holder of Italian debt, that's gotta feel good, eh?

 ::exitstageleft::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Glock32 on November 16, 2011, 10:37:47 AM
And one of the unmentioned points in all this, which I think is just as significant as any of the economic implications, is that here we have seen an experiment to force political/economic/cultural union onto a group of nations who are similar to each other in terms of their history, civic institutions, ethnicity, etc, and it's still a disaster. Yet we are told, breathlessly, that some sort of pie-in-the-sky global governance is an inevitability?  They can't even make it work on one continent, how could it ever work on an even larger scale?  Any political class that cedes sovereignty to some nebulous international "idea" is, quite simply, being traitorous to its own nation and should be dealt with appropriately when their machinations inevitably go bust.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on November 16, 2011, 11:30:19 AM
It is something we all know G, but it goes unmentioned because the MFM and the leftists pols have to have the pie-in-the-sky global governance goal as an ideal to strive for, everything they look to impose on people stems from that insane desire!  Plus, if we ever let 'em get it, well, it would make the holocaust look like a picnic in comparison...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: AlanS on November 16, 2011, 11:50:18 AM
And one of the unmentioned points in all this, which I think is just as significant as any of the economic implications, is that here we have seen an experiment to force political/economic/cultural union onto a group of nations who are similar to each other in terms of their history, civic institutions, ethnicity, etc, and it's still a disaster.......

That's because Pelosi/Reid/Odrama weren't in charge...........
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Pandora on November 16, 2011, 12:44:45 PM
It is something we all know G, but it goes unmentioned because the MFM and the leftists pols have to have the pie-in-the-sky global governance goal as an ideal to strive for, everything they look to impose on people stems from that insane desire!  Plus, if we ever let 'em get it, well, it would make the holocaust look like a picnic in comparison...

Yes, and I suspect those who want it know that and have no problem with it as long as they are the whip-hand.  It would require a vast and harshly dictatorial regime, that would make Mao look like a piker, to impose a global government.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: John Florida on November 16, 2011, 01:03:18 PM
  I hope the poor bastard that took Italy over isn't unpacking a lot of stuff cause he's not making it through the next year. Greece is nothing compared to what's going to happen in Italy.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: BMG on November 16, 2011, 02:04:15 PM
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I hope the poor bastard that took Italy over isn't unpacking a lot of stuff cause he's not making it through the next year. Greece is nothing compared to what's going to happen in Italy.

...and France, and Ireland, and Portugal, and Spain...they're all on the cusp of a Greece-like failure right now.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: BMG on November 17, 2011, 08:34:45 AM
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jerrybowyer/2011/11/16/eu-topia-part-ii-how-europe-was-betrayed/ (http://www.forbes.com/sites/jerrybowyer/2011/11/16/eu-topia-part-ii-how-europe-was-betrayed/)

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The post-WWII vision of a free Europe was hijacked by the ruling classes and gradually became the inversion of what was originally promised. Konrad Adenauer, Jacques Rueff and others who had resisted fascism attempted to recreate what fascism had sought to destroy: the Christian free-market order of the late 19th Century.

They believed that humans, made in the image of God, were entitled to dignity as individuals and did not derive their value from their role in the collective. They advocated sound money, limited government, free trade in economics and national sovereignty in international relations. Their brainchild, the Treaty of Rome, ascribed rights to individuals and removed the powers of nation-states to impede foreign trade and migration.

Since the end of World War II, two vastly different visions of a new European order have been wrestling in the womb. The classical liberal goal for Europe was one free market, many nations. The other vision for Europe, the elite one, is one nation with no genuinely free markets.

The same kind of thing and tactics that they're trying right here...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: BMG on November 17, 2011, 09:12:07 AM
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/27de9d54-1074-11e1-8010-00144feabdc0.html (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/27de9d54-1074-11e1-8010-00144feabdc0.html)

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As shockwaves from the eurozone crisis radiate outwards, Hungary has felt the full force of their impact.

Budapest has endured three difficult bond auctions in a week, yields have shot up, and the forint has tumbled to record lows. That, in turn, is fuelling inflation and increasing the pain for hundreds of thousands of Hungarians who took out mortgages in foreign currencies when the forint was much stronger.

Looks like Hungary is next in line...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on November 17, 2011, 10:45:27 AM
Has the Great Meltdown begun?
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: BMG on November 17, 2011, 09:33:28 PM
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Has the Great Meltdown begun?

I think it's been underway for a while now actually.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: BMG on November 17, 2011, 10:00:59 PM
http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/11/17/banks-in-italy-find-an-unusual-liquidity-lifeline/?smid=tw-nytimesdealbook&seid=auto (http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/11/17/banks-in-italy-find-an-unusual-liquidity-lifeline/?smid=tw-nytimesdealbook&seid=auto)

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LONDON — The London Stock Exchange is becoming the lender of last resort for many banks in Italy as concerns over the country’s debt levels squeeze liquidity out of the Italian financial market.

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Under terms of the deals, the clearinghouse, which acts as a middleman to guarantee trades between financial parties, is offering money to both Italian and European banks with a presence in Italy for up to three days.

The money, which comes from collateral that traders must put up to complete financial transactions, is deposited with the banks to cover shortfalls in liquidity. CC&G earns a profit by charging banks interest on the money that they borrow.

That sounds a bit dicey to me...taking payments from one group in order to pay another group...so if something happens to interrupt the cash at the front end, it completely affects the people along the entire chain. The chain is therefore, only as strong as the weakest link...and they see no inherent danger in this? It sounds suspiciously like a Ponzi scheme to me and we all know that those ALWAYS EVENTUALLY FAIL. In this case the weakest link would be the banks which are not at all healthy in the EU or here...so what happens when the banks are no longer able to pay these shortfalls back? We get bailouts...what happens when the bailouts cost too much and there isn't enough money to bail out anymore? Systemic failure is what happens. We already know that the EU is barely capable of bailing out Greece...and it looks like Italy is fast approaching the 'need' for a bailout. That promises to be the final straw that broke the camel's back. Here's the really bad part...

As detailed in Ann Barnhardt's letter from a separate thread ( http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,3926.0.html (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,3926.0.html) ), US brokerage firms are heavily invested in European sovereign junk debt. If the EU goes down, then the US is going with it. It looks like it would happen pretty much overnight. This would NOT simply affect big banks and/or brokerage firms. As Ann Barnhardt's letter notes, individual's are exposed to this.  Yeah, that means that everyone's 401ks, IRAs, etc could disappear overnight. But worse even is that if that happens the FDIC would crash as well meaning that your checking and savings accounts would also be wiped clean.

Now I'm not saying this is going to happen. But it sure looks like there's a pretty good chance that it can happen.

As an aside; I wonder when/if Obama/Reid will get around to offering to buy out 401k and IRA accounts in exchange for a government guaranteed 'retirement' account that will net you a guaranteed 2% or 3% growth (like social security). I have to wonder if that isn't part of the end game here in the first place...crash the economy intentionally and get their hands on all those trillions locked away in personnel retirement accounts.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 17, 2011, 11:05:27 PM

Collateral curiosity, Germany a while back suggested Greece sell
some of its islands to pay off their debt and ever since the Greeks
have been screaming the Germans want their islands.  Called
them the N word too.

Wonder what CC&G wants for collateral?
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 18, 2011, 12:05:57 AM

Collateral curiosity, Germany a while back suggested Greece sell
some of its islands to pay off their debt and ever since the Greeks
have been screaming the Germans want their islands.  Called
them the N word too.

Wonder what CC&G wants for collateral?


ETA: For a refreshing recapitulation

Farage: What gives you the right to dictate to the Italian people? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdob6QRLRJU#ws)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: John Florida on November 18, 2011, 06:15:56 PM
  This is getting even more interesting by the day. I sent this to my cousin in Italy asking what they though in Italy about the changes. When he answeres me.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: BMG on November 23, 2011, 03:31:03 PM
http://www.cnbc.com/id/45418399 (http://www.cnbc.com/id/45418399)

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/78994200-15c2-11e1-8db8-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1eZAsebsI (http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/78994200-15c2-11e1-8db8-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1eZAsebsI)

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The worst-received bond sale by Germany since the launch of the euro fuelled market fears that the continent’s debt crisis was now affecting Berlin, the region’s biggest economy and key to the survival of the single currency.

The bond auction only managed to raise two-thirds of the amount targeted. Investors and banks shunned the offering due to worries that Europe’s monetary union project could collapse because of deteriorating market sentiment and the vast size of the region’s public debt.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Pandora on November 23, 2011, 03:41:16 PM
Truly amazing.  I am sitting here watching the world crash and burn because of these incumbent-minded, "I need to protect my job and bennies by any means", both in Europe and HERE.

And there's not a damn thing I can do about it.  It's .... infuriating.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Glock32 on November 23, 2011, 03:54:03 PM
Truly amazing.  I am sitting here watching the world crash and burn because of these incumbent-minded, "I need to protect my job and bennies by any means", both in Europe and HERE.

And there's not a damn thing I can do about it.  It's .... infuriating.

Redirect your frustration into something productive, such as target practice. In fact, I propose a friendly forum competition. Given the long holiday weekend, we should see who can expend the most ammo in target practice / plinking. Honor system. Winner gets an official Participant trophy! /snerk
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Pandora on November 23, 2011, 04:27:24 PM
Not a bad idea, Glock.  I'll run it by Gunsmith and see what he thinks.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: John Florida on November 23, 2011, 04:48:48 PM
My range is closed for turkey day. ::rockets::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Pandora on November 23, 2011, 04:52:10 PM
My range is closed for turkey day. ::rockets::

There's always Friday, Saturday and Sunday, no?
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 23, 2011, 05:53:30 PM


At my house there is a line of sight from the LR to the kitchen.
Set a trap in the kitchen and ...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: John Florida on November 23, 2011, 05:57:28 PM
My range is closed for turkey day. ::rockets::

There's always Friday, Saturday and Sunday, no?

 I'm working fri. and sat.Sunday is catch up day around the house.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 23, 2011, 06:06:12 PM

Be good when get that personal laptop at work.

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: John Florida on November 23, 2011, 07:04:30 PM

Be good when get that personal laptop at work.



 I have one thanks to Soup. It's just that people in this joint share offices and it's kind of tricky in an open showroom. But to be honest I'm not even sure I'm staying there and am looking around for something I would like better.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on November 24, 2011, 10:48:45 AM
I'll have to see about that challenge, I got a hankering to perforate a target!   ::thumbsup::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: BMG on November 24, 2011, 11:06:33 AM
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/eu-launches-bid-rewrite-eurozone-budgets-032511566.html (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/eu-launches-bid-rewrite-eurozone-budgets-032511566.html)

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The European Union demanded Wednesday sweeping powers to override national budgets and proposed issuing joint eurozone bonds to help resolve and prevent a repeat of the debt crisis.

"Without stronger governance, it will be difficult if not impossible to sustain the common currency," EU Commission chief Jose Manuel Barroso said of his latest legislative proposals.

The head of the executive EU arm, Barroso presented radical plans that would allow him and Economy Commissioner Olli Rehn to decide to intervene in national policymaking.

Each said such new powers were a pre-condition for pooling eurozone government bonds, presented as a future safeguard.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on November 24, 2011, 11:08:46 AM
Yup, more power, what could go wrong?

/sarc
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: BMG on November 24, 2011, 08:52:42 PM
A Spaniard, an Italian and a Greek go into a bar.

They drink until dawn.

Who pays the tab?

A German.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: AlanS on November 25, 2011, 07:37:31 AM
My range is closed for turkey day. ::rockets::

A friend of mine has a cardboard box about 18-24" square that he sets up in his house for BB gun target practice. It's easily stored and can be used at any time in any weather. It doesn't take the place of live ammo, but it does help with the "sight alignment/ trigger control" practice.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: BMG on November 25, 2011, 09:22:25 AM
Yahoo Link is just to darned long to cut & paste! (http://news.yahoo.com/moodys-cuts-hungary-junk-071158191.html;_ylt=ArAluCWWGoL4CYdpLaYx9Y3yWed_;_ylu=X3oDMTRvNjN1cTE1BGNjb2RlA2dtcHRvcDEwMDBwb29sd2lraXVwcmVzdARtaXQDTmV3cyBmb3IgeW91BHBrZwNiYWU3MDZjMS05MjkwLTNkZTYtODBmMC0xYWVhMjI0MDFiZjAEcG9zAzUEc2VjA25ld3NfZm9yX3lvdQR2ZXIDNThlODE1ZDAtMTc2Yi0xMWUxLWJhM2QtMGU4OTc5OTA0NDk1;_ylg=X3oDMTNjdWJwM2s2BGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDNzNiODhiNTAtMDk0YS0zOGE2LWFhZTMtOGQ2NjA0Y2E1NGNkBHBzdGNhdAN3b3JsZHxsYXRpbiBhbWVyaWNhBHB0A3N0b3J5cGFnZQR0ZXN0Aw--;_ylv=3)

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BUDAPEST (Reuters) - Credit rating agency Moody's cut Hungary's debt to "junk" grade late on Thursday, dealing a blow to Prime Minister Viktor Orban's unorthodox economic policies and prompting his government to denounce the move as a "financial attack."

Moody's lowered Hungary's sovereign rating by one notch to Ba1, just below investment grade, with a negative outlook, hours after rival Standard & Poor's held fire on a flagged downgrade after Budapest said it would seek international aid.

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Economists said the gloomy economic outlook could combine with the downgrade and increase pressure on Budapest to accept an IMF deal with the monitoring and policy recommendations Orban has spurned.

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"As the economy will tumble into recession by around the turn of the year, we expect that it will have no other choice than to accept any IMF proposal, even if this would include conditionalities," said Michal Dybula at BNP Paribas.

So in short what the IMF is saying here is essentially this: "Hey Hungary, that's a mighty fine economy you have there. Sure would be a shame if anything happened to it."
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on November 25, 2011, 09:52:59 AM
IMF must be run by former Soviets eh?!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: BMG on November 26, 2011, 11:01:32 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/8917161/OECD-figures-suggest-Britains-economy-will-slip-back-into-recession-at-the-start-of-next-year.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/8917161/OECD-figures-suggest-Britains-economy-will-slip-back-into-recession-at-the-start-of-next-year.html)

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The Organisation for Economic Development and Cooperation (OECD) is predicting that the economy will shrink, the Government was warned on Thursday.

Whitehall sources said the forecasts suggest that growth would be negative during the first six months of next year due to the euro crisis.

The prediction, to be published on Monday, is the first from a respected forecaster to indicate that Britain faces a double-dip recession.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 26, 2011, 12:00:52 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/8917161/OECD-figures-suggest-Britains-economy-will-slip-back-into-recession-at-the-start-of-next-year.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/8917161/OECD-figures-suggest-Britains-economy-will-slip-back-into-recession-at-the-start-of-next-year.html)

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The Organisation for Economic Development and Cooperation (OECD) is predicting that the economy will shrink, the Government was warned on Thursday.

Whitehall sources said the forecasts suggest that growth would be negative during the first six months of next year due to the euro crisis.

The prediction, to be published on Monday, is the first from a respected forecaster to indicate that Britain faces a double-dip recession.

War - Slippin' Into Darkness (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6te_t4n5NU#)

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: BMG on November 26, 2011, 07:04:02 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/8917077/Prepare-for-riots-in-euro-collapse-Foreign-Office-warns.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/8917077/Prepare-for-riots-in-euro-collapse-Foreign-Office-warns.html)

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As the Italian government struggled to borrow and Spain considered seeking an international bail-out, British ministers privately warned that the break-up of the euro, once almost unthinkable, is now increasingly plausible.

Diplomats are preparing to help Britons abroad through a banking collapse and even riots arising from the debt crisis.

The Treasury confirmed earlier this month that contingency planning for a collapse is now under way.

A senior minister has now revealed the extent of the Government’s concern, saying that Britain is now planning on the basis that a euro collapse is now just a matter of time.

“It’s in our interests that they keep playing for time because that gives us more time to prepare,” the minister told the Daily Telegraph.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Pandora on November 26, 2011, 07:05:18 PM
More time to prepare?  For riots?  Food shortages?  What?

With Britain one of the foremost Nanny-stater, criminal-coddling countries, I'm quite sure their idea of "preparation" differs greatly from mine.

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: BMG on November 26, 2011, 07:31:47 PM
I believe that in this context, the British government is thinking that these delays to the inevitable (I believe it's inevitable, but that is just my opinion and I am no expert so take my opinion with a grain of salt) are giving them more time to blunt the financial impact - though I doubt they can prepare enough to have any meaningful impact on the coming storm. I also believe that it gives them more time to train the troops in order to put down the inevitable social unrest.

Shades of what is coming our way if all of this comes to pass because, as I mentioned in an earlier post, if the EU collapses we will also and it will happen virtually overnight, if not immediately. Any government will ALWAYS seek to protect itself; it is the nature of government. Therefore, I have no doubt whatsoever that if social unrest is what all of this turmoil eventually leads to in Europe, then the state will do whatever it needs to do in order to survive...

...and I have no illusions that our own government will not do the same. Because no matter how benevolent a government is, it has one purpose and that is to exist by any means available to it. It will do whatever it takes to meet that end...whether by hook, by crook or at the end of a gun.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: trapeze on November 26, 2011, 08:17:02 PM
I believe that the failure of the Euro is inevitable.

What I don't know (and I don't think anyone else knows) is what the consequences of that will be for us.

Sure am glad I live where I do, though. I wouldn't want to be in a major metropolitan area if things get ugly.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 26, 2011, 08:20:45 PM

Being a completely independent and sovereign nation will be
a traumatic reality for the nanny pols, they are more dependent
upon the illusion of inclusion than the hoi polloi, they need time
to prepare their psyche.

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Weisshaupt on November 26, 2011, 11:52:57 PM
Shades of what is coming our way if all of this comes to pass because, as I mentioned in an earlier post, if the EU collapses we will also and it will happen virtually overnight, if not immediately. Any government will ALWAYS seek to protect itself; it is the nature of government. Therefore, I have no doubt whatsoever that if social unrest is what all of this turmoil eventually leads to in Europe, then the state will do whatever it needs to do in order to survive...

...and I have no illusions that our own government will not do the same. Because no matter how benevolent a government is, it has one purpose and that is to exist by any means available to it. It will do whatever it takes to meet that end...whether by hook, by crook or at the end of a gun.

Our banks have huge exposure to European debt.  A collapse there will result in another "crisis" --  but keep it straight--- Our banksheets are worse than that of any country in Europe. With 50-80 Trillion in liabilities, just at the federal level, another couple trillion in Mortgages, another trillion in student loans and 5-10 Trillion in individual state and loacl government liabilities,  we are in much worse shape than even Greece.  But we have thw worlds reserve currency and a printing press, and they will use it to drag this out for as long as possible - including printing and loaning money to Europe.  Then if that fails there are always SDRs.  Bottom line, I think the governments of the world are committed to the slow bleed. That means time for the ordinary nobodys like us to prepare.  Use the time wisely.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Weisshaupt on November 27, 2011, 09:52:05 AM
 Here  (http://www.ocregister.com/opinion/debt-328730-government-spending.html) is another opinon by Mark Steyn.

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When it comes to spending and the size of government, only the Democrats are officially panting orgasmically, "More, More, More; How do you like it?" while the Republicans are formally committed to "Less less less." This makes for many dramatic showdowns on the evening news. In the summer, it was the "looming" "deadline" to raise the debt ceiling. In the fall, it was the "looming" "deadline" for the alleged supercommittee to agree $1.2 trillion of cuts. The supercommittee was set up as a last-minute deal for raising the debt ceiling. Now that the supercommittee's flopped out, "automatic" mandatory cuts to defense and discretionary spending are supposed to kick in – by 2013. But no doubt as that looming deadline looms the can of worms will be effortlessly kicked down the room another looming deadline or two.
.......In the course of a typical day I usually receive at least a couple of emails from readers lamenting that America is now the Titanic. This is grossly unfair to the Titanic, a state-of-the-art ship whose problem was that it only had lifeboat space for about half its passengers. By contrast, the SS Spendaholic is a rusting hulk encrusted with barnacles, there are no lifeboats, and the ship's officers are locked in a debate about whether to use a thimble or an eggcup.
A second downgrade is now inevitable. Aw, so what? We had the first back in the summer, and the ceiling didn't fall in, did it? And everyone knows those ratings agencies are a racket, right? And say what you like about our rotten finances, but Greece's are worse. And Italy's. And, er, Zimbabwe's. Probably.
The advantage the United States enjoys is that, unlike Greece, it can print the currency in which its debt is denominated. But, even so, it still needs someone to buy it. The failure of Germany's bond auction on Wednesday suggests that the world is running out of buyers for western sovereign debt at historically low interest rates. And, were interest rates to return to their 1990-2010 average (5.7 percent), debt service alone would consume about 40 percent of federal revenues by mid-decade. That's not paying down the debt, but just staying current on the interest payments.
And yet, when it comes to spending and stimulus and entitlements and agencies and regulations and bureaucrats, "more, more, more/how do you like it?" remains the way to bet. Will a Republican president make a difference to this grim trajectory? I would doubt it. Unless the public conversation shifts significantly, neither President Romney nor President Insert-Name-Of-This-Week's-UnRomney-Here will have a mandate for the measures necessary to save the republic.
As for Andrea True, back in 1976 she made a commercial in Jamaica. To protest the then Prime Minister's flirtation with Castro, Uncle Sam had imposed economic sanctions against Her Majesty's government in Kingston. Miss True was unable to bring her earnings home. So, for want of anything better to do with them, she went into a Jamaican recording studio and made a demo of a song: "More, More, More." Sure, 35 years later Fidel's still around, but at least the world got a disco hit out of it, which is more than you can say for the Iranian sanctions.
We're approaching a state in which the government spends $4 trillion but only raises $2 trillion. Which is an existential threat to the nation, but at least has the advantage of being one whose arithmetic is simple enough even for politicians: Try to imagine every aspect of government having to make do with half of what it currently has.
That's the scale of reform necessary to save America from a future as a bankrupt, violent, Third World ruin. More, more, more, how do you like it? More poverty, more crime, more corruption, more decay: how do you like that?
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on November 27, 2011, 03:51:51 PM
Good postings Weisshaupt, pretty much sums up my opinion that without bold leadership we are hosed.  Thus my desire to purge the ranks of the Ruling Class idiots that help advance the Left's agenda, while it must be done, may be too little too late, it should have begun a decade ago.  Hell, I thought Reagan changed the paradim, but G H W Bush compassion began eroding Reagan gains and it's been mostly downhill ever since.  It also highlights my frustration that Palin decided not to run, a national office standard bearer that could have big Tea Party coattails could have given us the chance we need.  We are likely doomed, the trend lines (politically, economically, fiscally & socially) all look negative to me.  Looking to ourselves and our families first must be priority #1.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: BMG on November 27, 2011, 09:59:31 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/8919470/IMF-drawing-up-517bn-package-to-save-Italy-Spain-and-the-euro.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/8919470/IMF-drawing-up-517bn-package-to-save-Italy-Spain-and-the-euro.html)

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The International Monetary Fund is being lined up potentially to help Italy and Spain amid growing fears that a European rescue scheme will not be able to prop up the countries, it emerged last night.

Reports in Italy suggested that the IMF is drawing up plans for a €600 billion (£517 billion) assistance package for the country. Spain may be offered access to IMF credit, rather than a rescue package, to avoid it being “picked off” by the markets in the coming weeks.

And this from the comments section (don't know how correct this is so take it with a grain of salt):

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And the 'EUSSR' funds 32% of the IMF(17% for the US)


So if that commenter is right, the US is on the hook for 17% of that $800 billion (after converting to US dollars) bailout for Europe.

So I went to the US Debt Clock web site (http://www.usdebtclock.org/) and plugged in all the information and assuming my math is correct came up with the following:

That's about $136 billion from US taxpayers...
...or about $435.00 per citizen in the US (all 312,685,128 of us)...
...or about $1,208.00 per actual taxpayer...
...to bailout EUROPE!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 27, 2011, 10:36:23 PM

Whatshisname is like a wino who's won the lottery. 
He didn't work for the money, he doesn't understand
money, he is so drunk with his new power he is blind.
He is personally, morally and materially irresponsible.
He is personally, morally and materially reprehensible.
The trials will make good TV.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Pandora on November 28, 2011, 12:15:24 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/8919470/IMF-drawing-up-517bn-package-to-save-Italy-Spain-and-the-euro.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/8919470/IMF-drawing-up-517bn-package-to-save-Italy-Spain-and-the-euro.html)

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The International Monetary Fund is being lined up potentially to help Italy and Spain amid growing fears that a European rescue scheme will not be able to prop up the countries, it emerged last night.

Reports in Italy suggested that the IMF is drawing up plans for a €600 billion (£517 billion) assistance package for the country. Spain may be offered access to IMF credit, rather than a rescue package, to avoid it being “picked off” by the markets in the coming weeks.

And this from the comments section (don't know how correct this is so take it with a grain of salt):

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And the 'EUSSR' funds 32% of the IMF(17% for the US)


So if that commenter is right, the US is on the hook for 17% of that $800 billion (after converting to US dollars) bailout for Europe.

So I went to the US Debt Clock web site (http://www.usdebtclock.org/) and plugged in all the information and assuming my math is correct came up with the following:

That's about $136 billion from US taxpayers...
...or about $435.00 per citizen in the US (all 312,685,128 of us)...
...or about $1,208.00 per actual taxpayer...
...to bailout EUROPE!


Well, Great Balls O' Fire!  Who do you think bailed out European banks with the majority of the TARP money?  You did, hawneh, and you and you and me and him and her and them and .........
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on November 28, 2011, 06:54:20 AM
What are the odds for a trial by jury vs a trial by lead?
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on November 28, 2011, 08:08:43 AM
I think that's a steep price for 12-18 months breathing room, God forbid the nations in peril CUT SPENDING!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2066862/Britain-draws-emergency-plans-collapse-Euro-warnings-Italy-needs-500bn-bailout.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2066862/Britain-draws-emergency-plans-collapse-Euro-warnings-Italy-needs-500bn-bailout.html)

 ::facepalm::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Weisshaupt on November 28, 2011, 09:50:49 AM
I think that's a steep price for 12-18 months breathing room, God forbid the nations in peril CUT SPENDING!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2066862/Britain-draws-emergency-plans-collapse-Euro-warnings-Italy-needs-500bn-bailout.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2066862/Britain-draws-emergency-plans-collapse-Euro-warnings-Italy-needs-500bn-bailout.html)

 ::facepalm::

Via instapundit: European Rich getting eady to run:

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DAN MITCHELL: European Economic Crisis Highlights an Increasingly Important Reason to Oppose Gun Control.


About a year ago, I spoke at a conference in Europe that attracted a lot of very rich people from all over the continent, as well as a lot of people who manage money for high-net-worth individuals.

What made this conference remarkable was not the presentations, though they were generally quite interesting. The stunning part of the conference was learning – as part of casual conversation during breaks, meals, and other socializing time – how many rich people are planning for the eventual collapse of European society.

Not stagnation. Not gradual decline. Collapse.

As in riots, social disarray, plundering, and chaos. A non-trivial number of these people think the rioting in places such as Greece and England is just the tip of the iceberg, and they have plans – if bad things begin to happen – to escape to jurisdictions ranging from Australia to Costa Rica (several of them remarked that they no longer see the U.S. as a good long-run refuge).


Don’t kid yourself. If the U.S. is bad, Costa Rica won’t be good. Plus, this question: “Here’s a thought experiment to drive the point home. If Europe does collapse, which people do you think will be in better shape to preserve civilization, the well-armed Swiss or the disarmed Brits?”

Posted at 11:45 pm by Glenn Reynolds   


Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Pandora on November 28, 2011, 10:39:50 AM
Oh.  Gee.  The US, the last, best place on earth is no refuge now either, thanks to the same cadre of "elites" that are bankrupting and ruining us as well.  Too bad none of the European "rich" will put those two facts together in their heads.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 28, 2011, 11:15:16 AM

 ::facepalm::

Via instapundit: European Rich getting eady to run:
 



[/quote]

Heard a month ago, IIRC on Kudlow, US banks are filling up with rich European's money.

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on November 28, 2011, 11:30:46 AM
Found the link for that -

http://danieljmitchell.wordpress.com/2011/11/27/european-economic-crisis-highlights-an-increasingly-important-reason-to-oppose-gun-control/ (http://danieljmitchell.wordpress.com/2011/11/27/european-economic-crisis-highlights-an-increasingly-important-reason-to-oppose-gun-control/)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Weisshaupt on November 28, 2011, 11:32:23 AM


Heard a month ago, IIRC on Kudlow, US banks are filling up with rich European's money.



Yeah. Good luck.  Much of that 7 Trillion the Fed loaned out went to overseas banks (exported inflation) , and more of the same is going to happen as the US tries to prop up the Euro. Everything is interconnected. Most countires keep dollars as reserve funds, and th US banks are highly leveraged with European assests, as are the chinese. Its a house of cards, and its finally starting to topple.  The dollar is enjoying a little rally now as people seek safe haven, but that doesn't change the fact that the dollar is in worse shape than the Euro-- its just protected by reserve status and a printing press.

Yes, the velocity of the money is low, so the extra printing isn't being felt to its full extant as of yet.  Any glimer of a recovery and that money comes out of hiding, yielding huge inflation. With no rcovery we stay deflationary. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.  This doesn't end well, for anyone. There is no safe haven.

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on November 28, 2011, 11:41:13 AM
It'll be like a fat mans pants...he's been stuffing himself for decades and there are no more pants that fit...when the first button pops there will be nothing to stop all of them from popping...

It's gonna be fugly!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: BMG on November 28, 2011, 12:32:10 PM
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d9a299a8-1760-11e1-b00e-00144feabdc0.html (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d9a299a8-1760-11e1-b00e-00144feabdc0.html)

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In virtually all the debates about the eurozone I have been engaged in, someone usually makes the point that it is only when things get bad enough, the politicians finally act – eurobond, debt monetisation, quantitative easing, whatever. I am not so sure. The argument ignores the problem of acute collective action.

Last week, the crisis reached a new qualitative stage. With the spectacular flop of the German bond auction and the alarming rise in short-term rates in Spain and Italy, the government bond market across the eurozone has ceased to function.

The banking sector, too, is broken. Important parts of the eurozone economy are cut off from credit. The eurozone is now subject to a run by global investors, and a quiet bank run among its citizens.

This massive erosion of trust has also destroyed the main plank of the rescue strategy. The European Financial Stability Facility derives its firepower from the guarantees of its shareholders. As the crisis has spread to France, Belgium, the Netherlands and Austria, the EFSF itself is affected by the contagious spread of the disease. Unless something very drastic happens, the eurozone could break up very soon.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on November 28, 2011, 01:36:47 PM
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d9a299a8-1760-11e1-b00e-00144feabdc0.html (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d9a299a8-1760-11e1-b00e-00144feabdc0.html)

Quote
In virtually all the debates about the eurozone I have been engaged in, someone usually makes the point that it is only when things get bad enough, the politicians finally act – eurobond, debt monetisation, quantitative easing, whatever. I am not so sure. The argument ignores the problem of acute collective action.

Last week, the crisis reached a new qualitative stage. With the spectacular flop of the German bond auction and the alarming rise in short-term rates in Spain and Italy, the government bond market across the eurozone has ceased to function.

The banking sector, too, is broken. Important parts of the eurozone economy are cut off from credit. The eurozone is now subject to a run by global investors, and a quiet bank run among its citizens.

This massive erosion of trust has also destroyed the main plank of the rescue strategy. The European Financial Stability Facility derives its firepower from the guarantees of its shareholders. As the crisis has spread to France, Belgium, the Netherlands and Austria, the EFSF itself is affected by the contagious spread of the disease. Unless something very drastic happens, the eurozone could break up very soon.

It's easy to predict that failures will fail some more, so...I expect a break up.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on November 29, 2011, 11:26:12 AM
Hey, lookie here!

InTrade Odds On Euro Collapse By End Of 2012 Now At 50%
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/intrade-odds-euro-collapse-end-2012-now-50 (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/intrade-odds-euro-collapse-end-2012-now-50)

Gosh, why wouldn't the Euro-bailout work, it looks perfectly designed by all the pointy-little heads!

(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2011/10/20111129_EFSF_0.png)

H/T - ZeroHedge
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/efsf-flowchart (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/efsf-flowchart)

The comments (as always) are priceless!

(I have to activate my membership so I can start joining in the fun!)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Damn_Lucky on November 29, 2011, 06:04:35 PM
Everybody but us peons will get a bailout.........@#%^%$@^%&^$%#$&$@&^(:>(                 ::bashing:: ::cussing::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on November 30, 2011, 07:26:31 AM
Yes, you won't get a bailout, you'll get an invoice, an invoice you cannot refuse to pay under penalty of forfeiture of property.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Weisshaupt on November 30, 2011, 09:01:28 AM
Kick the Can! (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-30/fed-five-central-banks-lower-interest-rate-on-dollar-swaps.html) - The US helps  Bail out Europe


Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on November 30, 2011, 09:03:22 AM
Neo-Keynesian jackasses!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Weisshaupt on November 30, 2011, 09:50:56 AM
And don't forget that China has its own looming credit crisis (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-30/china-cuts-reserve-requirement-for-banks-as-europe-crisis-threatens-growth.html)

Lowering the reserve rates banks need to keep so they can stay solvent and still provide credit.   Yeah, that will end well.

Point is, the Euro, the Dollar and the Yuan are all in trouble. The contagion has spread, and there isn't a fix.  It collapses. Now or Later. Politicians always choose later, and when they can no longer choose that, they will choose war (after all, what is there to loose? Just the lives of peasants. What do they gain? A more command and control economy, and an external enemy to blame hardships on.)  There are times when I wish I had not read so much history.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on November 30, 2011, 11:29:10 AM
The ChiCom red rooster is coming home and he's gonna trash the hen house, that's for sure.

And, it appears the EU bailout was leaked   ::speechless::  by the Ben Bernanke & the proglodytes made out like bandits, somebody check Buffett's & Soros's activity, I bet they made out like demons!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/did-fed-leak-european-bailout-decision-monday-morning-visual-exhibit#comment-1930957 (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/did-fed-leak-european-bailout-decision-monday-morning-visual-exhibit#comment-1930957)

Sometimes these   ::foilhathelicopter::   ::foilhathelicopter::   ::foilhathelicopter::  are fricken real!

Oh, and this is a hoot!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/fed-cancels-pomo-due-system-difficulties?page=1 (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/fed-cancels-pomo-due-system-difficulties?page=1)

System difficulties! 

Comment by Quacker almost had me spray my screen!

"They're frantically calling tech support in India as we speak ..

Fed: Our system is broken! ..

Mehendra: Oh I am so sorry to hear that .. did you try unplugging it and plugging it back in?"

 ::hysterical::

Seriously though, how vulnerable are systems?  We know the people running things suck, but the hardware and software appears sub-standard too!

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/nyse-reports-trading-glitch-2011-11-30 (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/nyse-reports-trading-glitch-2011-11-30)

Want more mystery?  Sure, no problem.  Remember the robo-signing affair?

http://www.mynews3.com/content/news/story/Notary-who-blew-whistle-on-foreclosure-fraud/gdZL4mIJ50CzCFK8GI33_A.cspx (http://www.mynews3.com/content/news/story/Notary-who-blew-whistle-on-foreclosure-fraud/gdZL4mIJ50CzCFK8GI33_A.cspx)

A note on personal liquidity, if you need it, might not be a bad time to sell PM's, I got a feeling they'll drop as more margin calls come in soon and as panic spreads once todays happy-happy unicorn hunt turns to sh*t!

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Sectionhand on November 30, 2011, 02:24:40 PM
This bailout looks like nothing more than a 10 day reprieve before the Stymie hits the fan .
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Weisshaupt on November 30, 2011, 05:06:12 PM
Will the Eurozone Last the Year? (http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/11/will-the-eurozone-last-the-year/249202/)

Quote
The reality, though, is that there are no safe havens anywhere any longer.

 And  more on the fed bailout (http://www.forbes.com/sites/steveschaefer/2011/11/30/bernanke-ecb-throw-more-dollars-at-europes-crisis/)

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While the effort to provide more liquidity may temporarily soothe the symptoms of Europe’s debt crisis and allow financial institutions easier access to funding, it does little to address the underlying roots of overburdened governments that need to be propped up while they drastically cut spending.

Good thing we don't live in a country with a debt crisis and a need to drastically cut government spending, otherwise we couldn't help Europe out. Right?  
And the DOW is up over 12000. (http://www.cnbc.com/id/45491598)  If you still own stock, I think this would be an excellent time to exit.

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The world's major central banks including the ECB, Federal Reserve, Bank of England and the central banks of Canada, Japan and Switzerland agreed to coordinated action to ease the increasing strains on the global financial system. The move is designed to "enhance their capacity to provide liquidity support to the global financial system."“If you stop and think about it, you have to realize what kind of danger the world is in for all the central banks to get together and save Europe,” said Alan Valdes, director of floor operations and VP of trading at DME Securities.Meanwhile, Valdes added that barring overly negative news from the euro zone, the market is poised for a “Santa rally.”



Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Delnorin on November 30, 2011, 05:11:11 PM
Socialism, the ultimate Ponzi scheme without peer.
It's to die for, ain't it?
 ::unknowncomic::

Funny... I read that real fast and didn't read it right.

I read:  Socialism, the ultimate Pelosi scheme without peer.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on November 30, 2011, 05:38:58 PM
Socialism, the ultimate Ponzi scheme without peer.
It's to die for, ain't it?
 ::unknowncomic::

Funny... I read that real fast and didn't read it right.

I read:  Socialism, the ultimate Pelosi scheme without peer.

The end result is the same, complete ruination and tyranny.  The Pelosi's of the world are stupid enough to think the ruination part is controllable and that they'll survive to become the tyrants...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Sectionhand on December 01, 2011, 01:34:27 AM
I guess the Fed and Wall St. have forgotten that MF Global was destroyed by gambling on European debt only a month ago . The only crazier thing would be to put a moron in the White House ... Ooops ... We already did that , didn't we ?
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on December 01, 2011, 06:52:06 AM
I guess the Fed and Wall St. have forgotten that MF Global was destroyed by gambling on European debt only a month ago . The only crazier thing would be to put a moron in the White House ... Ooops ... We already did that , didn't we ?

 ::unknowncomic::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on December 01, 2011, 06:56:56 AM
Peter Schiff on the bailouts.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/peter-schiff-explains-what-todays-global-fed-funded-bailout-means-future#comment-1934438 (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/peter-schiff-explains-what-todays-global-fed-funded-bailout-means-future#comment-1934438)

I think he is spot on, but I think additional buying opportunities in PM's is coming, I think liquidity cruch and margin calls will cause a general sell off, and then the march upward will resume.

PS-Don't know why so many Schiff haters are commenting at ZH, I finally joined up and began responding to them, but like libiots they thrive on being assholes...a lot of PaulBots around too...and the inescapable spammers!
 ::)
That's life in the digital age...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Weisshaupt on December 01, 2011, 11:57:13 AM
Okay, so maybe looking up a picture for my pseudonym was a bad idea-- I started re-reading Cerebus.  However this page struck me as especially funny:

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c341/weisshaupt/IMG_20111201_104949.jpg)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on December 05, 2011, 11:33:10 AM
Franco-German plan calls for big ruler with which to spank undisciplined members

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/05/us-eurozone-idUSTRE7B30AO20111205 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/05/us-eurozone-idUSTRE7B30AO20111205)

Good luck with that!

Meanwhile, back in the United States of Amerika, The Ben Bernanke is ready to float more money to IMF to piss away in Europe...

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/04/us-eurozone-imf-fed-idUSTRE7B30X320111204 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/04/us-eurozone-imf-fed-idUSTRE7B30X320111204)

 ::)

 ::mooning::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on December 08, 2011, 07:59:43 AM
Perhaps this is what Merkel & Sarkozy were trying to get ahead of...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/why-uk-trail-mf-global-collapse-may-have-apocalyptic-consequences-eurozone-canadian-banks-jeffe (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/why-uk-trail-mf-global-collapse-may-have-apocalyptic-consequences-eurozone-canadian-banks-jeffe)

(Cue apocalyptic music)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: charlesoakwood on December 08, 2011, 01:05:24 PM

[blockquote]
Quote
where every day could be the developed world's last if not for the ongoing backstops, guarantees and bailouts of the central banking regime.
[/blockquote]
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on December 09, 2011, 06:27:09 AM

[blockquote]
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where every day could be the developed world's last if not for the ongoing backstops, guarantees and bailouts of the central banking regime.
[/blockquote]


Yup.

Failure to launch -

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/wall-streets-response-summit-failure#comment-1962284 (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/wall-streets-response-summit-failure#comment-1962284)

Spending problem, what spending problem?

Austerity?  How do Neo-Keynesian's spell that?  M-o-n-e-t-i-z-e & B-a-i-l-o-u-t-s...

SSDD!!!

Ya can't fix stupid!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on January 26, 2012, 07:44:25 AM
This is gonna be a great spring & summer, eh?  Greece has just about run the string out, Portugal (see link below) isn't far behind...get Italy and Spain in on the show and the roast is on!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/portugal-10-year-yield-passes-15-first-time-where-greek-10-year-was-august (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/portugal-10-year-yield-passes-15-first-time-where-greek-10-year-was-august)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Weisshaupt on January 26, 2012, 08:32:15 AM
This is gonna be a great spring & summer, eh?  Greece has just about run the string out, Portugal (see link below) isn't far behind...get Italy and Spain in on the show and the roast is on!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/portugal-10-year-yield-passes-15-first-time-where-greek-10-year-was-august (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/portugal-10-year-yield-passes-15-first-time-where-greek-10-year-was-august)

 I think our exposure is high enough to the European debt and Currencies that an implosion there will finally knock our own  house of cards down.
Yeah its been a long wait, but I think we are finally going to see the major event this year.. probably before election day. And depending on Obama's response, there may never be an election day.
Of course the sheep are mighty clever at ignoring the obvious, so maybe they can limp Europe along for a bit longer and get that long, steady decline into 3rd world banana State that they are aiming for.

Buy self sufficiency, in whatever form you find it.
 
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on January 26, 2012, 10:06:10 AM
This is gonna be a great spring & summer, eh?  Greece has just about run the string out, Portugal (see link below) isn't far behind...get Italy and Spain in on the show and the roast is on!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/portugal-10-year-yield-passes-15-first-time-where-greek-10-year-was-august (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/portugal-10-year-yield-passes-15-first-time-where-greek-10-year-was-august)

 I think our exposure is high enough to the European debt and Currencies that an implosion there will finally knock our own  house of cards down.
Yeah its been a long wait, but I think we are finally going to see the major event this year.. probably before election day. And depending on Obama's response, there may never be an election day.
Of course the sheep are mighty clever at ignoring the obvious, so maybe they can limp Europe along for a bit longer and get that long, steady decline into 3rd world banana State that they are aiming for.

Buy self sufficiency, in whatever form you find it.


Heh!

&

Amen!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Sectionhand on January 27, 2012, 03:40:16 AM
Is it fair to assume that investors are willing to take a 50% loss in Greece ? When pigs fly !
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on January 27, 2012, 07:04:16 AM
This is interesting, check out the wiggle room charts here -

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/presenting-interactive-wiggle-room-index-or-which-countries-will-be-forced-bail-out-developed-w (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/presenting-interactive-wiggle-room-index-or-which-countries-will-be-forced-bail-out-developed-w)

As you can see, wiggle room is shrinking, and many of those with any are not the most reliable of partners, some are outright hostile.

When you start running out of shells the shell game doesn't work so well!

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on February 12, 2012, 09:10:02 PM
Start shrinking the socialist teat and the looters are exposed for what they are...looters.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/12/us-greece-idUSTRE8120HI20120212 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/12/us-greece-idUSTRE8120HI20120212)

Stay tuned for more thrilling episodes of "As Athens Burns"...

It never ceases to amaze me...what do people in a cash strapped society do when they panic...yup, burn their own crap to the ground.  Bloody brillant, eh?

This is us in the not very distant future.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: trapeze on February 12, 2012, 09:31:41 PM
This is almost certainly us in a BO future. In a Romney or Santorum future...not so much.

It brings to mind the the old saying (curse), "May you live in interesting times."

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: trapeze on February 12, 2012, 09:56:23 PM
The best place to read about this kind of stuff is the UK daily papers...


The Sun (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4124675/Greeks-feel-the-heat-as-cuts-backed.html) Read the comments, too.

The Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/9078221/Greece-passes-crucial-bailout-vote-as-country-burns.html) Good article here.

The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/greek-mps-warned-of-catastrophe-as-athens-erupts-in-violence-6804817.html)

The Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2100099/Athens-protests-Lawmakers-endorse-austerity-measures-Greece.html) Best pictures and most comments.

The comments are the most interesting things to read. The commenters are mostly aware of how screwed everyone is and how it's coming to a country near you soon. The minority commenters* are the OWS types.

*depends on which rag you read. in some cases the OWS types are even with normal people.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: charlesoakwood on February 12, 2012, 10:20:00 PM

Yep, postcard from hell.
                                   http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2012/01/AV1C_20997-1200_0.jpg (http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2012/01/AV1C_20997-1200_0.jpg)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on February 13, 2012, 06:50:20 AM
This is almost certainly us in a BO future. In a Romney or Santorum future...not so much.

It brings to mind the the old saying (curse), "May you live in interesting times."



Romney?   ::speechless::   ::whatgives::

I think you meant to say "...not as fast."!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: charlesoakwood on February 13, 2012, 10:12:12 AM

Most divorces are caused by money problems.  Romney doesn't understand the Constitution
but he does understand, more than most, money.  Our potential for survivability will greatly
increase with a Romney presidency than an Øbama second term.

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Weisshaupt on February 13, 2012, 10:23:05 AM
Our potential for survivability will greatly increase with a Romney presidency than an Øbama second term.

Define survivability?
Will he work to overturn Obamacare - the newest wealth sucking and debt creating machine?
Look at  Mass. and the things he did there. He understands Money alright. I am sure that as soon at everything collapses he will be whisked away to a nice island retreat somewhere.  He doesn't give a rip about the problems we are facing, and he is certaily not willing to do what is required to stop it. No politican on the ballot but Paul is, and Paul couldn't command the support required.  THERE IS NO POLITICAL SOLUTION.  There are varying degrees of decay, but decay is what we will get and have.

My survivability is going to be determined by my prep.  The Nation's finances cannot be fixed with anything short of an armed insurrection. The dollar will be made irrelevant - it may take 10 more years to do it ( but I am betting on 5)  but this is simply not sustainable, and like Europe, we are unwilling to do what would be requied to make it so. As a result this is going to play out in full technicolor.  You can either watch the show with popcorn or particpate in the production.  Either way, this movie is getting made.
 
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on February 13, 2012, 12:00:39 PM
"As a result this is going to play out in full technicolor."

Yup.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on February 14, 2012, 07:06:38 AM
IMO the rating agencies on just about all scores are Johnny-come-lately's, even for a hindsight reliant business like this, but...EU downgrades are coming in batches now...the walls are closing in...all the central bankers really have is printing currency...full speed ahead into the abyss!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/moodys-downgrades-italy-spain-portugal-and-other-puts-uk-france-outlook-negative-full-statement (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/moodys-downgrades-italy-spain-portugal-and-other-puts-uk-france-outlook-negative-full-statement)

ETA - Didn't take very long for the first reaction to hit the markets, as I noted here -

http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,913.new.html (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,913.new.html)

If bankers are buying gold, well, that just speaks volumes to confidence, now doesn't it?!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: charlesoakwood on February 14, 2012, 02:56:45 PM

What's up with the SPDR sales?
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on February 14, 2012, 07:08:09 PM

What's up with the SPDR sales?


Hello, Zurich?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-14/gold-holdings-by-exchange-traded-funds-as-of-feb-14-table-.html?cmpid=yhoo (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-14/gold-holdings-by-exchange-traded-funds-as-of-feb-14-table-.html?cmpid=yhoo)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: charlesoakwood on February 14, 2012, 07:26:03 PM

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/inevitable-us-uk-japan-euro-downgrades-lead-further-currency-debasement (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/inevitable-us-uk-japan-euro-downgrades-lead-further-currency-debasement)
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(Bloomberg) -- Touradji Sold Entire Stake in SPDR Gold Trust

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(Bloomberg) -- GLG Partners Sells Stake in SPDR Gold Trust in Fourth Quarter
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on February 14, 2012, 07:32:33 PM
These last three links are all interconnected.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: charlesoakwood on February 14, 2012, 07:57:20 PM

Yeah, first time through I thought I was double clicking or vision.
But I couldn't understand how these entities dumping all their SPDR
holdings played with Japan and Ethiopia buying gold.  Couldn't under-
stand dumping SPDR anyway.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on February 14, 2012, 08:13:23 PM
I know which end of the transaction I'd rather be on.  The scary part is coming though, the erosion of confidence in all forms of paper is waning, and when it goes completely kaboom...well, can't have a market if you don't have anything of value.  Barter economics at its basic level is coming to us all soon enough.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on February 21, 2012, 07:14:18 AM
This is good, many knew the Greek bailout was doomed to fail, yet they went ahead anyway, proof positive that "you can't fix stupid"!

http://www.businessinsider.com/leaked-memo-blows-the-lid-off-of-the-entire-greek-bailout-2012-2 (http://www.businessinsider.com/leaked-memo-blows-the-lid-off-of-the-entire-greek-bailout-2012-2)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Sectionhand on February 21, 2012, 10:15:58 AM
This is good, many knew the Greek bailout was doomed to fail, yet they went ahead anyway, proof positive that "you can't fix stupid"!

http://www.businessinsider.com/leaked-memo-blows-the-lid-off-of-the-entire-greek-bailout-2012-2 (http://www.businessinsider.com/leaked-memo-blows-the-lid-off-of-the-entire-greek-bailout-2012-2)

With private investors getting it broken off in their a$$es to the tune of over 50% this was sounding more and more like the GM bailout .
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Weisshaupt on February 21, 2012, 11:10:06 AM
This is good, many knew the Greek bailout was doomed to fail, yet they went ahead anyway, proof positive that "you can't fix stupid"!

http://www.businessinsider.com/leaked-memo-blows-the-lid-off-of-the-entire-greek-bailout-2012-2 (http://www.businessinsider.com/leaked-memo-blows-the-lid-off-of-the-entire-greek-bailout-2012-2)

What else are you going to do? Admiting defeat will cause a collapse now vs. later. Later is ALWAYS better right?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/greece-debt-deal-kicking-giant-beer-keg-down-road-risks-destroying-road (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/greece-debt-deal-kicking-giant-beer-keg-down-road-risks-destroying-road)

Meanwhile the stock market is climbing on all that new money printing. Ride the wave.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/here-why-dow-just-passed-13000... (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/here-why-dow-just-passed-13000...)


But if you want to see what is really happening look at the market priced in gold
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/dow-passes-13000-nominal-terms-here-real-picture (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/dow-passes-13000-nominal-terms-here-real-picture)

And remember - "Gold is in a Bubble", so its  overvalued if that is true. So if that is true, the graphs at the last link are even worse.. 







Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on February 21, 2012, 11:15:08 AM
This is good, many knew the Greek bailout was doomed to fail, yet they went ahead anyway, proof positive that "you can't fix stupid"!

http://www.businessinsider.com/leaked-memo-blows-the-lid-off-of-the-entire-greek-bailout-2012-2 (http://www.businessinsider.com/leaked-memo-blows-the-lid-off-of-the-entire-greek-bailout-2012-2)

What else are you going to do? Admiting defeat will cause a collapse now vs. later. Later is ALWAYS better right?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/greece-debt-deal-kicking-giant-beer-keg-down-road-risks-destroying-road (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/greece-debt-deal-kicking-giant-beer-keg-down-road-risks-destroying-road)

Meanwhile the stock market is climbing on all that new money printing. Ride the wave.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/here-why-dow-just-passed-13000... (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/here-why-dow-just-passed-13000...)


But if you want to see what is really happening look at the market priced in gold
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/dow-passes-13000-nominal-terms-here-real-picture (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/dow-passes-13000-nominal-terms-here-real-picture)

And remember - "Gold is in a Bubble", so its  overvalued if that is true. So if that is true, the graphs at the last link are even worse.. 









But if you want to see what is really happening look at the market priced in gold
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/dow-passes-13000-nominal-terms-here-real-picture (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/dow-passes-13000-nominal-terms-here-real-picture)

And remember - "Gold is in a Bubble", so its  overvalued if that is true. So if that is true, the graphs at the last link are even worse.. 

THAT!!!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Weisshaupt on February 21, 2012, 02:50:55 PM
Or if you don't like using "gold" as the wealth reference, about using the S&P priced in Oil

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/presenting-biggest-tradeoff-surging-stock-market (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/presenting-biggest-tradeoff-surging-stock-market)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on February 22, 2012, 07:21:47 AM
Heh, gallons of gas.  Commodities have an intrinsic value that cannot be wished away, the other markets have been debased by the Neo-Keynesian's fiat money.  SSDD, rinse & repeat until the collapse ends the circus.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Weisshaupt on February 22, 2012, 07:50:28 AM
Heh, gallons of gas.  Commodities have an intrinsic value that cannot be wished away, the other markets have been debased by the Neo-Keynesian's fiat money.  SSDD, rinse & repeat until the collapse ends the circus.

Thats going to happen soon right?  I can't take much more of this. Obama reiterated today that he has no intention of obeying the Constitution if congress refuses to act - which of course means  "refusing to act the way hey wants" - the announcment that he didn't turn down the XL Pipeline, but that it was a result of congress not offering him a choice he wanted  proves that. I  can wait till the starving little monkeys he helped create drag Borat from his office and hang him on his petard of hope N change. The Tea Party groups the IRS is harrassing are refusing to comply.
http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/22/congressional-investigations-sought-over-irs-assault-on-tea-party-groups/ (http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/22/congressional-investigations-sought-over-irs-assault-on-tea-party-groups/)

Hope we see much more of that, and I think we will if the Court upholds Obamacare, or even if Borat wins the election. Obama 2012: Lets see how bad, bad can get.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on February 22, 2012, 07:54:53 AM
Heh, gallons of gas.  Commodities have an intrinsic value that cannot be wished away, the other markets have been debased by the Neo-Keynesian's fiat money.  SSDD, rinse & repeat until the collapse ends the circus.

Thats going to happen soon right?  I can't take much more of this. Obama reiterated today that he has no intention of obeying the Constitution if congress refuses to act - which of course means  "refusing to act the way hey wants" - the announcment that he didn't turn down the XL Pipeline, but that it was a result of congress not offering him a choice he wanted  proves that. I  can wait till the starving little monkeys he helped create drag Borat from his office and hang him on his petard of hope N change. The Tea Party groups the IRS is harrassing are refusing to comply.
http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/22/congressional-investigations-sought-over-irs-assault-on-tea-party-groups/ (http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/22/congressional-investigations-sought-over-irs-assault-on-tea-party-groups/)

Hope we see much more of that, and I think we will if the Court upholds Obamacare, or even if Borat wins the election. Obama 2012: Lets see how bad, bad can get.

Yes, I have my "Resist I Much" gameface on!   ::thumbsup::

ETA - These Tea Party people need some support, not just in Congress, but physical, and armed!   ;)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on February 22, 2012, 09:21:47 AM
Man, if the idiots back here get this idea...let them try it on their own, the unionistas, wouldn't that be a hoot?!

Greece Unveils The Negative Salary
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/its-official-greece-unveils-negative-salary (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/its-official-greece-unveils-negative-salary)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Pandora on February 22, 2012, 09:36:11 AM
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The Tea Party groups the IRS is harrassing are refusing to comply.

They don't comply, they don't get the tax exemption unless Congress does something helpful.  Do they intend to file as though they're in compliance?
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: BMG on April 23, 2012, 07:50:36 AM
http://www.cnbc.com/id/47140237 (http://www.cnbc.com/id/47140237)

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The Dutch government’s failure to reach an agreement in talks to achieve tough spending cuts could see ratings agencies cut the country’s prized AAA-rating and nervous investors push up the country’s borrowing costs, and it will also have wider implications for the euro zone as a whole, analysts said on Monday.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on April 23, 2012, 08:54:15 AM
And the contagion spreads...

Ahh, summertime in Europe!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: charlesoakwood on April 23, 2012, 11:49:32 AM

They've got to take care of all this business before summer actual.
Because in the summertime they shut down, take vacation and
leave business to the peasants.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on April 23, 2012, 12:44:12 PM

They've got to take care of all this business before summer actual.
Because in the summertime they shut down, take vacation and
leave business to the peasants.


And then the tourists roll in and wonder why the hotel and restraunt staff are so rude!

 ::hysterical::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: BMG on April 24, 2012, 01:27:43 PM
LINK (http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0424/spain-borrowing-rate-soars-for-short-term-debt.html)

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Spain's borrowing rate nearly doubled in a short-term debt auction as investors fretted over the euro zone's determination to deal with its debts.

And Italy raised nearly €3.5 billion in a short-term bond sale today but at sharply higher interest rates amid fresh concerns over the euro zone outlook, the Bank of Italy said.

Quote
Fresh concerns, however, over whether fellow eurozone struggler Spain can stabilise its public finances, coupled with nervousness over the French presidential elections and the political crisis in the Netherlands has turned sentiment for the worse again.

LINK (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/24/greece-cenbanker-idUSL5E8FO4VU20120424)

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Greece's economy will contract a deeper than expected 5 percent this year, the country's central bank chief said on Tuesday, piling more pressure on to a citizenry already battered by crippling austerity and record joblessness.

And the pain of socialism continues...
...and yet, over in France the voters seem to be ready to double down and make it all even worse. France going full-on socialist would probably put the final nail in the coffin of the EU.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on April 24, 2012, 02:30:11 PM
And the pain of socialism continues...
...and yet, over in France the voters seem to be ready to double down and make it all even worse. France going full-on socialist would probably put the final nail in the coffin of the EU.


It will also be a shot across the bow of Germany, I could see them saying "to hell with this crap!", and bolt the EU!  England would likely follow, maybe a couple others...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on April 27, 2012, 09:11:32 AM
Nice chart.  How bad can "derailment" be?

/

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/europe-you-are-here (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/europe-you-are-here)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: BMG on May 01, 2012, 03:53:14 PM
http://pjmedia.com/eddriscoll/2012/04/29/around-the-world-in-80-basis-points/?singlepage=true (http://pjmedia.com/eddriscoll/2012/04/29/around-the-world-in-80-basis-points/?singlepage=true)

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No sooner had Lehman Brothers collapsed than the printing presses started to roll out copies of Galbraith’s book on the debacle of 1929, The Great Crash. In fact, it couldn’t be printed fast enough, paperback books being affordable even in times of crisis. Galbraith was the hero of a recent PBS documentary extolling the value of big government. And demand management à la Galbraith is now back with a vengeance, of course. If the improvidently indebted but now impecunious private citizen won’t spend and thereby expand economic activity, the improvidently indebted but infinitely expandable government will do it for him.

So how’s that working out? Pretty badly, if these recent stories are any indication. First up, at Big Peace, founded by the late Andrew Breitbart, John J. Xenakis has this news of fresh disaster from Europe: “Spain Unemployment Near 25%; Britain Enters Double-Dip Recession”:

        Spain’s economy keeps spiraling downward as unemployment rises to 25%
        Switzerland considers paying illegal aliens to leave Switzerland
        Britain’s economy moves into a ‘double-dip’ recession
        Germany’s Angela Merkel angrily repudiates François Hollande’s campaign promises
        Greece’s elections driven by anti-austerity, anti-immigrant fervor
        Romania’s government collapses, Czech government survives, in anti-austerity anger

This piece covers much of the world but it seemed to fit in this thread nicely so here it is.

On the one hand I'm convinced that the EU is going to crash and fairly soon too...and I think that it will be a good thing. Sure it will be terrible as far as the misery that will come about because of it. But at the same time I think that that is what it will take for people to pull their heads out of their nether-regions and get a breath of fresh air; ala reality. 



Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: AlanS on May 01, 2012, 05:46:33 PM
But at the same time I think that that is what it will take for people to pull their heads out of their nether-regions and get a breath of fresh air; ala reality. 


The leaches will never accept reality, no matter how hard it hits them over the head.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on May 02, 2012, 07:08:36 AM
Plus...that global economy thingy...the fact that all banks own a share of each others worthless paper...the fact that markets will be roiled the world over...the fact that bare essentials for life will experience rapid inflation...

Their going down only preceeds our own.

I wouldn't get to thrilled about it, but I would expedite whatever SHTF plans in the works.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: BMG on May 03, 2012, 10:39:25 PM
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/318045/EU-plot-to-scrap-Britain (http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/318045/EU-plot-to-scrap-Britain)

I can't really think of a better place to put this even though this isn't a financial story. If the people in this story have their way though I think it would end up toppling the EU in the end anyway so the outcome is the same.

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SENIOR Eurocrats are secretly plotting to create a super-powerful EU president to realise their dream of abolishing ­Britain and other nation states, the Daily Express can reveal.

A covert group of EU foreign ministers has drawn up plans for merging the jobs currently done by Herman Van Rompuy, president of the European Council, and Jose Manuel Barroso, president of the European Commission.

The new bureaucrat, who would not be directly elected by voters, is set to get sweeping control over the entire EU and force member countries into ever-greater political and economic union. Tellingly, the UK has been excluded from the confidential discussions within the shady “Berlin Group” of Europhile politicians, spearheaded by German foreign minister Guido Westerwelle.

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“This is a plot by people who want to abolish nation states and create a United States of Europe,” he said. “The whole thing is barmy. These people are determined to achieve their final objective.

The only hope for Britain is to leave the EU and become an independent nation.

Sounds a bit like UN's agenda 21 at work over there in Europe to me. Also, this isn't the first story in the last year or so that I've read where politicians in Britain were discussing leaving the EU altogether.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Pandora on May 03, 2012, 11:08:52 PM
Ah. So the Eurocrats want a king, do they.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: BMG on May 04, 2012, 07:42:34 AM
It would seem so Pan.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on May 04, 2012, 07:43:40 AM
I think they are more likely to end up with a dictator...

Ask Hindenburg how well it worked out for Germany to name Hitler Chancellor!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: BMG on May 04, 2012, 08:44:05 PM
This is more concerning the global economy, but it addresses Europe as well so guess I'll stash it here. (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/04/us-global-economy-idUSBRE8431LP20120504)

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The euro zone economy worsened markedly last month and U.S. employers cut back on hiring, according to two reports on Friday that dampened hopes for gradual recovery on either side of the Atlantic.

In Europe, the purchasing managers indexes (PMIs), which primarily cover services, suggested a recession across the continent's currency union could now extend to mid-year and be deeper than previously thought.

The gloomy surveys clashed with the picture painted by European Central Bank President Mario Draghi, who on Thursday spoke of a gradual recovery taking place in the euro zone during the course of the year - although he did speak about risks.

In the United States, a government report showed employers added a disappointing 115,000 workers to payrolls last month and, critically, many Americans stopped looking for work. Economists had expected 170,000 new nonfarm jobs, and the report could hurt President Barack Obama as he steps up a re-election campaign that will likely hinge on the state of the economy.

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Markit's Eurozone Services PMI, which gauges business activity over a month, came in at 46.9 in April, sharply lower than 49.2 in March. Anything below 50 signifies contraction.

That was also a full point lower than the preliminary reading of 47.9 reported two weeks ago, which itself was far weaker than any economist polled by Reuters had expected.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Glock32 on May 04, 2012, 09:00:28 PM
I would say Britain's viability as a nation is far more threatened by their immigration policy of importing barbarian hordes, more than it is threatened by the fantasies of eurocrats in Brussels.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: John Florida on May 04, 2012, 09:18:14 PM
I would say Britain's viability as a nation is far more threatened by their immigration policy of importing barbarian hordes, more than it is threatened by the fantasies of eurocrats in Brussels.

 Self inflicted.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: BMG on May 06, 2012, 05:21:56 PM
Looks like the house of cards is starting to crumble... (http://www.thelocal.de/politics/20120506-42381.html)

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German Chancellor Angela Merkel's centre-right coalition lost power in the state of Schleswig-Holstein, first estimates showed Sunday, after a vote that could presage national elections next year.

Some more interesting reading:

Socialist Hollande wins in France (http://www.france24.com/en/france/2min/20120506-france-socialist-hollande-wins-presidential-election-sarkozy)

And

Greeks poised to blow off their debts (http://www.france24.com/en/20120506-angry-voters-greek-ruling-parties-pasok-new-democracy-austerity-legislative-parliament-elections)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: John Florida on May 06, 2012, 05:29:38 PM
Looks like the house of cards is starting to crumble... (http://www.thelocal.de/politics/20120506-42381.html)

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German Chancellor Angela Merkel's centre-right coalition lost power in the state of Schleswig-Holstein, first estimates showed Sunday, after a vote that could presage national elections next year.

Some more interesting reading:

Socialist Hollande wins in France (http://www.france24.com/en/france/2min/20120506-france-socialist-hollande-wins-presidential-election-sarkozy)

And

Greeks poised to blow off their debts (http://www.france24.com/en/20120506-angry-voters-greek-ruling-parties-pasok-new-democracy-austerity-legislative-parliament-elections)


 I'm shocked shocked I tells ya.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on May 07, 2012, 07:23:29 AM
France wants to lead the EU down the drain.  Even though we will not escape the fallout, I hope it hurts them a hell of a lot more than it hurts anybody!

OK everybody!  Lets all jump in together now!

(http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss291/libertasinfinitio/Warnings/hole.gif)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Glock32 on May 07, 2012, 08:05:55 AM
Yes, I figure this is ultimately a good thing. It should help bring about the end sooner.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: BMG on May 07, 2012, 11:09:49 AM
Yeah, in the long run it is a good thing. It'll be really painful for the entire world...but when all's said and done it will be impossible to put any kind of a positive spin on socialist policies. The majority of the world is socialist in some form or another, ergo; it is socialist policies that have wreaked all this havoc. Even the dumbest of the dumb fence-sitting voter will be able to see that. The only ones left to support it at that point will be the die-hard leftists that wanted all this destruction to begin with.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: BMG on May 07, 2012, 04:01:29 PM
Britain is shackled to the corpse of Europe (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2140532/Francois-Hollande-French-president-Britain-shackled-corpse-Europe.html?ITO=1490)

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Europe's economic problems are about to get a whole lot worse. For the past three years, governments have tried, however ineffectually, to tackle the debt crisis. Now, though, in country after country, voters are demanding precisely the high-tax and high-spend policies which caused the recession in the first place.

Yesterday’s elections in France and Greece were the first of what will surely be many advances by the populist Left. In both places, candidates were elbowing each other aside during the campaign to demand more intervention and an end to cuts.

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Europe is in a downward spiral. The worse things get, the more its people vote for all the things that brought it to its present unhappy condition: wastrel spending, unsustainable borrowing, punitive taxation, deeper integration.

Not since we joined the EEC 40 years ago have the Continent’s prospects looked so dark. Nor, by contrast, has the rest of the English-speaking world looked so bright: as Europe dwindles, the Old Commonwealth is flourishing. We thought we were joining a growing and prosperous market all those years ago when we signed up to Europe. In fact, we were shackling ourselves to a corpse.

Of course, this is stuff we already knew - but it is still a good read and sums up the situation pretty well.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Pandora on May 07, 2012, 10:05:57 PM
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Of course, this is stuff we already knew ...

And know.  About their circumstances and our own.  We need - NEED - to get our own Looter elements under control sooner rather than later because they will insist, demand and drag us kicking and screaming down the same black hole, and that's just the radicals; the spineless, ball-less wonders, the faux conservatives, will see us to the same destination, just a bit later rather than sooner.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on May 09, 2012, 11:56:42 AM
Zee plan iz unvaayald!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/germanys-roadmap-greek-return-drachma (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/germanys-roadmap-greek-return-drachma)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: charlesoakwood on May 09, 2012, 01:34:50 PM

Europe's piggybank...is set to cut Europe's most wayward child loose.

According to economists, a 50% depreciation would be necessary.
That would, at least theoretically, mean that holidays in Greece would be substantially cheaper.

Greece's new economic growth field, kidnapping...
Yeah, po'd Greeks will be much less pleasant than
French peasants  during vacation season.


Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on May 09, 2012, 01:47:42 PM
On to Spain!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Glock32 on May 09, 2012, 04:38:42 PM
Beware of Greeks demanding gifts.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: John Florida on May 09, 2012, 06:34:53 PM
  In the end all that happens is that everything goes back to where it was and Greeks can all go back to doing what they did best,nothing Italy goes back to the Lira and a massive deflation in prices happens to them and Spain goes back to Bullfighting and they lived happily ever after.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on May 09, 2012, 09:53:27 PM
Once the inflation really hits Greece we'll see a whole new level of riots in the streets.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on May 10, 2012, 06:46:45 AM
Oh, and add grotesque unemployment to the mix!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/greeces-jobless-soar-42-unemployment-rises-record-industrial-collapse-accelerates (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/greeces-jobless-soar-42-unemployment-rises-record-industrial-collapse-accelerates)

Ah yes, nothing like hoards of angry unemployed youths on the streets with nothing to do!

Could be a banner year for national socialists, get used to seeing this all over Greece -

(http://www.redstate.com/repair_man_jack/files/2012/05/chrysi-avgi.jpg)

And Germany gets to find out if there is such a thing as infinity...

(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2012/05/Bundesbank%20TARGET2%20April_0_0.jpg)
H/T - ZeroHedge
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/europes-most-parabolic-chart-goes-probolic-er (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/europes-most-parabolic-chart-goes-probolic-er)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: BMG on May 11, 2012, 09:39:55 AM
Return of the drachma! (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/11/us-banks-drachma-idUSBRE84A0DC20120511)

Quote
Banks are quietly readying themselves to start trading a new Greek currency. Some banks never erased the drachma from their systems after Greece adopted the euro more than a decade ago and would be ready at the flick of a switch if its debt problems forced it to bring back national banknotes and coins.

Wonder how much longer it will be before we see similar stories about the Lira, Mark, Franc, etc...

And then there's this:

LINK (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/debt-crisis-live/9258807/Debt-crisis-live.html)

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The Spanish government has told banks they must increase their provisions against property loans from 7pc to 30pc, meaning they must raise another €30bn.

And this:

LINK (http://ca.news.yahoo.com/eu-predicts-0-3-per-cent-eurozone-economic-094121123--finance.html)

Since this is a Yahoo article I'll cut & paste the whole thing...

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EU predicts 0.3 per cent eurozone economic contraction in 2012, says bloc in 'mild recession'
The Canadian Press
By Pan Pylas, Raf Casert, The Associated Press
The Canadian Press – 1 hour 51 minutes ago

     EU Commissioner for the Economy Olli Rehn gestures as he addresses the media on the spring economic forecast at the European Commission headquarters in Brussels, Friday May 11, 2012. (AP Photo/Geert Vanden Wijngaert)

    EU Commissioner for the Economy Olli Rehn gestures as he addresses the media on the …

BRUSSELS - The European Union estimates that the economy of the 17 countries that use the euro is in recession in the wake of a debt crisis that has prompted savage spending cuts and a jump in unemployment to record highs.

The European Commission, the executive arm of the EU, forecasts that the eurozone economy will contract by 0.3 per cent in 2012 and grow by 1 per cent next year. Its prediction for 2012 is far weaker than the one it gave last November, when it predicted growth of 0.5 per cent. A year ago it was predicting growth of 1.8 per cent.

Friday's forecasts provide clear evidence of the impact of Europe's debt crisis on the eurozone economy over the past year as governments have struggled to introduce deficit-reduction measures and business and consumer confidence has taken a dive.

Olli Rehn, the EU's monetary affairs chief, said the recession is likely to be "mild" and "short-lived".

A recession is commonly defined as two consecutive quarters of negative growth and figures next week are expected to show that the eurozone contracted by a quarterly rate of 0.2 per cent for the second quarter running.

Rehn insisted a "recovery is in sight" but urged member countries not to give up on their efforts to get their public finances back into shape. However, he did indicate that more could be done to give growth a boost.

"Sound public finances are the condition for lasting growth, and building on the new strong framework for economic governance, we must support the adjustment by accelerating stability and growth-enhancing policies," said Rehn.

How to get the faltering eurozone economy growing again has become the hot topic in European policymaking circles over the past few weeks. Sunday's presidential election victory by Francois Hollande was due in large part to his promotion of the need for a greater focus on growth in Europe. So far, austerity measures, such as cuts to wages and pensions as well as tax rises, have been the main policy response to too much government debt in a number of eurozone countries.

In Greece, the epicenter of Europe's debt crisis, elections on Sunday illustrated the level of anger against the austerity that's been imposed on the country. Greece is in its fifth year of recession and has record-high unemployment with more than one of two young people out of work.

The Commission laid out the prospect of another grim year ahead. It's forecasting a 4.7 per cent economic contraction in Greece to follow 2011's 6.9 per cent. However, it said the Greek economy should flatline after that on the assumption of unchanged policies.

With a second round of elections appearing likely in Greece next month, there are concerns that the country may not meet its commitments to international creditors and that its bailout may be halted, putting its future in the euro under severe threat.

Greece has enacted a raft of austerity measures over the past few years in the hope of getting a handle on its borrowings. Some progress is being made on the public finances front but the country is still in a parlous situation. The Commission predicts that the Greek budget deficit will narrow to 7.3 per cent of national income this year. Though down from last year's 9.1 per cent, the level of borrowing is still double the 3 per cent limit that was supposedly enshrined in euro membership.

Just chronicling the obvious...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Weisshaupt on May 11, 2012, 11:08:40 AM
Url=http://www.zerohedge.com/news/visualizing-europes-ponzi-patriotism]Ponzi Patriotism: When all foreign investment leaves your country and your own government buys up those investments and keeps inflating them[/url]
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: BMG on May 13, 2012, 08:40:51 PM
LINK (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-13/euro-officials-begin-to-weigh-greek-exit-from-common-currency.html)

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Greek withdrawal “is not necessarily fatal, but it is not attractive,” European Central Bank Governing Council member Patrick Honohan said in Tallinn on May 12. An exit was “technically” possible yet would damage the euro, he said. German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble reiterated in an interview in Sueddeutsche Zeitung that member states seeking to hold the line on austerity for Greece could not force the country to stay.

LINK (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/9262068/Greece-will-run-out-of-money-soon-warns-deputy-prime-minister.html)

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"We will be in wild bankruptcy, out-of-control bankruptcy. The state will not be able to pay salaries and pensions. This is not recognised by the citizens. We have got until June before we run out of money.

"We have been spending the future for half a century. What [the anti-bailout forces] are really asking from the EU is not just to pay our bills, but also to pay for the deficit which we are still creating.

"I'm sure the Germans don't want Greece to leave the euro. What I don't know is how much they're willing to pay. It depends on the German man on the street. Is he willing to pay his taxes to save Greece? I doubt it."


LINK (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/13/us-greece-idUSBRE8440DG20120513)

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Greek political leaders on Sunday ignored a final plea from the president to form a coalition government to avert a repeat election, pushing the debt-stricken nation closer to bankruptcy and a possible exit from the euro zone.

LINK (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/13/us-germany-election-nrw-result-idUSBRE84C09G20120513)

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Chancellor Angela Merkel's conservatives suffered a crushing defeat on Sunday in an election in Germany's most populous state, a result which could embolden the left opposition to step up its criticism of her European austerity policies.

LINK (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/13/londonproperty-idUSL5E8GB8RI20120513)

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LONDON, May 13 (Reuters) - Worsening financial and political turmoil in southern Europe caused a surge of interest in London property last month with buyers from Greece and Spain showing strongly among investors seeking a safe haven for their money.

The number of Greeks searching for homes costing more than 1.5 million pounds ($2.4 million) on the website of property agent Savills jumped 39 percent in April compared with the average of the preceding six months, the company said.

"The reason Greeks are coming is very simple," said Dinos Joannou, a 65-year-old Cypriot who works in the Athenian Grocery in the Bayswater district of London and has seen growing numbers arrive this year. "Greece is screwed, there are no jobs and it has been run by crooks."

LINK (http://www.cnbc.com/id/47396554)

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The situation in the euro zone has become so bleak that it is giving rise to the most improbable rumours. The latest to make the rounds of European hedge fund managers suggests that the euro will be tied to the dollar at close to parity, a dramatic fall from its current level of just under $1.30 and one that would involve the printing of hundreds of billions of euros.

Just updating the thread - seems a lot is happening pretty fast this weekend.
 
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: BMG on May 13, 2012, 08:47:53 PM
Eurozone: If Greece goes ... (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/175fcc8c-9b7f-11e1-8b36-00144feabdc0.html)

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The idea of a Greek exit from the eurozone is no longer fanciful. After 70 per cent of voters in elections on May 6 supported parties that rejected the terms under which €174bn of international bailout loans were offered to Athens, many investors now see a fissure in the 17-member eurozone as increasingly likely. European governments are furiously thinking through the various scenarios, while still urging Athens to stick to its agreements on austerity and reform. If those hopes are dashed and Greece goes, what happens next?

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Can the eurozone contain the contagion?

This is the biggest unknown. If the eurozone authorities could persuade investors and the public that Greece was a special case, the effects of an exit could be contained. If not, a Greek exit would soon become a disorderly break-up of the euro project.

The inevitable question after a departure is: “Who’s next?” Eyes would turn rapidly to Portugal, which followed Greece into the bailout club. Investors would sell Portuguese bonds, seek to extract money from the country’s banks and take euros across the border for fear of an exit and devaluation. Currency risk has been evident in the European banking system since late last year, but the incentives to move deposits into German banks from those in Portugal, Ireland, Spain and Italy would be clear.

If the political will to hold the single currency together exists, the eurozone has a big weapon in its arsenal to contain the contagion: unlimited action by the ECB. It could restart bond-buying at very high levels to limit rises in sovereign bond yields and offer unlimited liquidity to peripheral-nation banks to offset a run on deposits. This would worry Berlin, which feels the ECB has already gone too far in underwriting bank and sovereign debt in peripheral countries. But the alternative is worse, as the EU has no other sufficiently powerful defence against a systematic bank run in such nations.

The answer, therefore, is that the eurozone could limit contagion, but it is highly uncertain whether it would. If it did not, the end of the euro would be nigh.

In either case, the outlook for the European economy is highly risky. After the Lehman collapse in 2008, it was not a dearth of bank lending that plunged the region into its worst recession since the second world war, but a collapse in confidence and spending as households and companies decided simultaneously to tighten their belts in fear of what might happen next. Unless the European authorities are extremely skilful in ringfencing Greece, a similar scenario would be a severe danger.

So this is what I got from this article. It looks like one of three things is about to happen (seemingly sometime between now and the end of the year):

A) The EU collapses and the world economy steps back into the dark ages.
                           OR
B) The EU is separated from Greece one way or another and the world economy steps one foot back into the dark ages which is most likely to end up at A above a short while later.
                           OR
C) Greece is somehow convinced that the EU isn't going to forgive all their past debts AND allow them to stop with all their austerity AND allow them to remain in the EU (which is what the Greek voters seem to believe is going to happen right now) and they immediately go back to their previously prescribed austerity measures from before their last vote.

Essentially it looks to me like things are EXCEEDINGLY wobbly in the EU after last week's leftist incursions into various European governments and collapse is all but guaranteed at this point.

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on May 14, 2012, 06:35:59 AM
Regarding Greece, interesting take here -

So here is the 3-point plan:

1. Renounce all debts denominated in the euro, i.e. a 100% writedown.

2. Accept the U.S. dollar as the national currency of Greece.

3. Engage in a transparent national dialog and reach a consensus about taxation and the role of the state in the Greek society and economy.

We might add a fourth point: renounce scams and kicking problems down the road rather than addressing them directly, sweeping dysfunction under the rug, etc.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/guest-post-crazy-idea-might-just-work-greeces-new-currency-us-dollar (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/guest-post-crazy-idea-might-just-work-greeces-new-currency-us-dollar)

I think the first two points could be called the "Nuclear Option"...the only reason to do #2 is because you just told the EU to go screw itself, but #3 and #4 have no chance...starting over from scratch the socialists will just fire up the free-spending merry-go-round...but who will lend to them?  Also, since American banks are also in on this scam we would not be immune from the effects of all that bad paper going up in smoke.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Weisshaupt on May 14, 2012, 04:23:59 PM
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/must-see-greece-explained-one-picture (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/must-see-greece-explained-one-picture)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: charlesoakwood on May 14, 2012, 05:17:20 PM

Germany was correct when it said Greece should sell some
of its islands.  They should be cut off and if American bankers,
Jamie Dimon comes to mind, are involved in this let the first
money come from their pockets till they are empty then the
board's money.  That would stop American bankers doing dopey
deals.

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on May 15, 2012, 07:15:46 AM
Corrupt politicans and corrupt private sector bosses who sold their shareholders , bondholders and customers down the river...

There ought to be trials and executions...

But Soros, Corzine & Falcone are still walking unimpeded and breathing free air, right?

Same for all the rotten politicians the world over too, eh?

But there will only be more corruption, more lies, more abuse...

...until the SHTF...then it will be BITS.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on May 15, 2012, 07:17:10 AM
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/must-see-greece-explained-one-picture (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/must-see-greece-explained-one-picture)

Obama is aiming for this picture...

(http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss291/libertasinfinitio/Warnings/Demopocalypse.jpg)

...but it is not certain he will be able to control it!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: BMG on May 15, 2012, 07:38:56 AM
LINK (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/9265930/Merkel-tells-Greece-to-back-cuts-or-face-euro-exit.html)

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Attempts to form a new government in Athens have been thwarted for the past nine days, although the country’s president will meet all major parties this afternoon to discuss the forming of a “technocratic” administration rather than a coalition.

An outgoing Greek minister warned that the country could descend into “civil war” amid the chaos of a euro exit. “If Greece cannot meet its obligations and serve its debt the pain will be great,” Michalis Chrysohoidis was quoted as telling a local radio station. “What will prevail are armed gangs with Kalashnikovs and which one has the greatest number of Kalashnikovs will count … we will end up in civil war.”

Coming soon to a country near you...


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“The British recovery has been damaged over the last two years not by Britain getting a grip on its public finances but by uncertainty in the eurozone. It is that uncertainty, not austerity, that is doing the real damage to the European recovery, and indeed the British recovery.”

This is pretty funny to me. It is well known that socialists breed uncertainty in any market. These people apparently know that too judging by this quote. And yet, they continue to follow socialist ideals. They want uncertainty, but then complain about all the uncertainty they've created! Rich!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on May 15, 2012, 08:45:19 AM
(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2012/05/20120515_golden%20dawn_0.png)

Greece gets a Golden Shower...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/greek-neo-nazi-manifesto (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/greek-neo-nazi-manifesto)

 ::speechless::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: BMG on May 15, 2012, 09:00:17 AM
Wow. Just finished reading some of the comments at that Zerohedge (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/greek-neo-nazi-manifesto) link Libertas. Talk about a bunch of anti-Semitic, hate-spewing jerks over there. That site seems to have it's fair share of them! Yikes!

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Pandora on May 15, 2012, 09:21:31 AM
Wow. Just finished reading some of the comments at that Zerohedge (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/greek-neo-nazi-manifesto) link Libertas. Talk about a bunch of anti-Semitic, hate-spewing jerks over there. That site seems to have it's fair share of them! Yikes!



Amazing how some hatreds just never die.  Wonder if those same people would turn right around and call me intolerant for standing against gay "marriage".
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Weisshaupt on May 15, 2012, 09:45:20 AM
Wow. Just finished reading some of the comments at that Zerohedge (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/greek-neo-nazi-manifesto) link Libertas. Talk about a bunch of anti-Semitic, hate-spewing jerks over there. That site seems to have it's fair share of them! Yikes!

The Comments at Zero-hedge are a huge snark-fest. They are often entertaining, and in some cases impart more information than the article itself.

The nice thing about Zero-hedge is that it does seem to attract all types.. and from all over the world- often giving you a much broader perspective on how events are being perceived in different places and cultures.  Antisemitism is common in Europe - thousands of years of  Jews being the more successful "other" have ensured that. That particular article brought out that characteristic more violently than I have seen it before.

You also have a large contingent of Ron Paulbots, Gold Bugs, Anti-Corporate OWS types, Alex Jones adherents and a bunch of people who like to push the buttons of the preceding groups.   
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: BMG on May 15, 2012, 09:54:30 AM
That's just the thing Pan. Leftism is a ideology that espouses tolerance, etc but certainly does not practice it. It espouses it so that it looks good. And then when the leftist is later noted as advocating the death of their opponents the hypocrisy is rarely pointed out and even more rare is it that if pointed out, anything is ever made of it.

Meanwhile, when a conservative voices their opposition to something like homosexuality they are immediately branded with the 'Hitler' descriptor and said to want to 'murder all the gays'. When in fact, the conservative simply says they don't like it and won't support it.

How people can support an ideology that does this sort of thing is beyond me to even contemplate. It is so prevalent and so obvious that it seems a very lame notion to attribute a lack of 'paying attention to the issues' as the reasoning behind the misguided support. A blind man can see this happening it is so obvious. How people can think that others support this ideology simply because they aren't paying attention doesn't ring true to me. I think it is a matter of 'going along to get along' learned through generations of indoctrination and not simply a matter of 'not paying attention to the issues'.

If that is correct then I don't think it can be overcome.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Weisshaupt on May 15, 2012, 10:31:46 AM
I think it is a matter of 'going along to get along' learned through generations of indoctrination and not simply a matter of 'not paying attention to the issues'.

No, its deeper than that - these people derive their self-worth from believing as they believe. Their teachers made it clear to them that if you are a good person if you vote Democrat, and a bad person if you don't. They were never taught how to pay attention to the issues or how to think for themselves - they have an ingrained, Pavlovian response to politics - because the Democrats have been marketed to them since they were children. Unicorns and skittles have been associated with the Democrats and the Nazis and Hilter are the embodiment of the political right. They  don't think about it any more than they think about buying Coke vs. Pepsi, making that decision on who's ads make them feel best about themselves.

MichelleO took the daughter to a Girl Scout meeting last night.  The other moms were discussing the impending budget cuts at the elementary  school - The principal is threatening to not have enough desks for the children and requiring Class sizes of over 37 next year. The other moms had no clue as to why.. after all there was money in previous years! None of them understood that unemployment meant less income  tax revenue. None of them understood that falling house values meant falling mill levy revenues. Non of them could connect the dots on their own, and were all for a Mill Levy Tax increase that the County is proposing -as if that would have no effect on them at all - its all of those evil retired old people in the county who don't want their real estate taxes raised! (no I didn't make that up)   Could that be because they are on  fixed incomes and inflation is killing them? 



They will only start trying to pay attention when the reality of the situation affects them personally - like when their kid sits on the floor during school, and then their response will be to demand even more of what they don't pay for, never once stopping to think about what they are doing, or if it is right or moral.  They are all 5 year old children. They want and they take. They aren't "trying to get along" because they have never once learned to feel empathy for others. They have no clue others are out there, and they certainly don't care what effects their actions may have on them.  No "Its for the Children!" a phase that has as much meaning to them as "I'd like to buy the  world a coke"  - its just said by rote- sheep bleating to other sheep - "Hey I am a sheep!" , "Hey, I am a Sheep too!", "I feel happy being together as sheep!", "So do I!"

If they actually cared about their children they would realize that all hope for a prosperous  future for their children is about to vanish. And they will cancel Music! And "Outdoor Lab!"  Its a good thing I wasn't there because I would have told them flat out - "You voted for Democrats, they over promised on pensions to teachers and you have no money because the retired teachers are still paid near a full salary and other benefits - for doing nothing.  You have condemned your children to grow up in a 3rd world country, where they will be lucking if they learn to read and write - much less get access to "outdoor labs" and Music lessons.  If you cared about your children at all you would have spent a minute and asked yourself how you can consume more than you produce without being a drain on everyone and everything around you. You worry about preserving the planet because it strokes your pathetic little egos, and you never once thought about preserving the system that brought peace and prosperity to America - and instead you vote to change it,  impoverish your children, and destroy their futures, because you are too selfish and too stupid to know there is no free lunch. "

MichelleO doesn't let me out much.

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Pandora on May 15, 2012, 10:56:05 AM
Quote
MichelleO doesn't let me out much.

I can see why; you're just plain mean.

 ::)

We're dealing with the same thing here as far as school budgets.  The first thing cut is teachers -- no union -- never the many of the admin.  We've been living here and paying property taxes for almost twenty years and never had a child in the schools, but there is no time I've voiced a negative opinion of any or all of the issue that I haven't gotten a nasty lecture on the importance of "education".   ::SNORT::

I believe that's part of what's going on with your "Looter Mawms", Weisshaupt.  They've been thoroughly indoctrinated in the virtues of mo' mo' mo' money for "education" so dot-connection is far less important than appearing to be "for" the "right things".  What could be more important for the future of our country than proper education of its citizens.  Why, these children will grow up and become the doctors, lawyers, and indian chiefs on which YOU will depend.

Needless to say, as to the ones who do become productive members of society, even wealthy ones, the "Mawms" will be the first to decry their "greed".
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Pandora on May 15, 2012, 11:44:55 AM
And while I'm on the subject, a pet peeve:

If I could, I would MAKE people stop calling mothers, "mawms".  "Mom" is what a kid calls his mother; why the HELL would a mother want to refer to herself as "a mom".  What the hell is a mom, anyway?  Say it often enough, mommommommommom, and it stops sounding like a real word, which it isn't anyhow; it's a slangy word that marginalizes and diminishes the meaning of Mother.

/rant off
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on May 15, 2012, 11:48:30 AM
Wow. Just finished reading some of the comments at that Zerohedge (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/greek-neo-nazi-manifesto) link Libertas. Talk about a bunch of anti-Semitic, hate-spewing jerks over there. That site seems to have it's fair share of them! Yikes!

The Comments at Zero-hedge are a huge snark-fest. They are often entertaining, and in some cases impart more information than the article itself.

The nice thing about Zero-hedge is that it does seem to attract all types.. and from all over the world- often giving you a much broader perspective on how events are being perceived in different places and cultures.  Antisemitism is common in Europe - thousands of years of  Jews being the more successful "other" have ensured that. That particular article brought out that characteristic more violently than I have seen it before.

You also have a large contingent of Ron Paulbots, Gold Bugs, Anti-Corporate OWS types, Alex Jones adherents and a bunch of people who like to push the buttons of the preceding groups.   

Yup.  And any news about ouor military actions or Israel (obviously) really brings out the Jew-haters too.  And there is quite a broad mix.  I like the economic & market views and if you cut through the unnecessary comments you can glean a good picture of what is going on.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: charlesoakwood on May 15, 2012, 11:58:49 AM
Quote
No, its deeper than that - these people derive their self-worth from believing as they believe. Their teachers made it clear to them that if you are a good person if you vote Democrat, and a bad person if you don't. They were never taught how to pay attention to the issues or how to think for themselves - they have an ingrained, Pavlovian response to politics - because the Democrats have been marketed to them since they were children. Unicorns and skittles have been associated with the Democrats and the Nazis and Hilter are the embodiment of the political right. They  don't think about it any more than they think about buying Coke vs. Pepsi, making that decision on who's ads make them feel best about themselves.
How to pursue and acquire knowledge is not being taught through the use of
critical thinking but taught as social interaction.  Knowledge is marketed as one
would market jeans which as much as we disparage group think that's what
marketing depends on and that's the way at least two generations have been
taught to analyze their world.  Critical analysis and logic befuddles them, they
perceive it as conjuring.  They are genuine bread and raised sheeple and we are
demons practicing black arts.


Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: charlesoakwood on May 15, 2012, 12:11:33 PM
Quote
"You voted for Democrats, they over promised on pensions to teachers and you have no money because the retired teachers are still paid near a full salary and other benefits - for doing nothing.

Are you referring to your school system specifically? 
Out here the teacher retirement system operates solely on monies withdrawn
from teachers while they were employed and it is invested/managed by the
teacher retirement system.  It requires no money from the tax payer and it's
in the black.  If the systems are managed well and do not promise more than
they are capable of producing they need not be a burden to anyone.

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Weisshaupt on May 15, 2012, 12:30:42 PM

Are you referring to your school system specifically?  


Yes.  (http://www.jeffcopublicschools.org/employment/benefits/index.html)

They are lumped into a big Public Worker Trust fund (URL Redacted/search/ci_18400597 (http://URL Redacted/search/ci_18400597)) Oh look its redacted! copy and paste /www.denverpost.com/search/ci_18400597. Geez, I wonder why that got taken down and made un-linkable?

 It will be fully funded in 30 years if we have 8% returns!  Yeah and they are raising the employer contribution every year for the next 5 years too! But don't worry ! its not a bail out! We are just requiring the state to contribute 15% of each teachers' salary to the fund, and upping that amount every year. (http://seekingalpha.com/article/219449-huge-battle-looms-over-public-pensions-who-will-who-should-foot-the-bill) I mean its not like taxpayers have to do that. Oh wait.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on May 15, 2012, 12:35:03 PM
8% returns!   ::hysterical::

15% + forced contributions!   ::mooning::   ::mooning::

FAIL!!!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: charlesoakwood on May 15, 2012, 12:55:07 PM

As I understand it. Working teachers and I believe employees such as
maintenance etc. allow TRST to deduct a certain amount from each
paycheck, they do not pay SS.  TRST takes the money and invests it
and upon retirement the employee receives a predetermined monthly
sum.  If returns to TRST are more than anticipated the retiree may
receive a bonus.  TRST made a 23% from its investments this year
[edit - for the year 2011].

  
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: BMG on May 15, 2012, 03:07:26 PM
LINK (http://www.cnbc.com/id/47428134)

Quote
According to the transcript, Greek depositors recently withdrew 700 million euros from the nation's local banks, said President Karolos Papoulias, though the exact timing of the transfer was unclear.

Um - that looks suspiciously like a run on the Greek banks to me...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Weisshaupt on May 15, 2012, 03:28:35 PM

As I understand it. Working teachers and I believe employees such as
maintenance etc. allow TRST to deduct a certain amount from each
paycheck, they do not pay SS.  TRST takes the money and invests it
and upon retirement the employee receives a predetermined monthly
sum.  If returns to TRST are more than anticipated the retiree may
receive a bonus.  TRST made a 23% from its investments this year
[edit - for the year 2011].

  

But how much were they down to begin with?
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: charlesoakwood on May 15, 2012, 04:06:43 PM

It has never been down, in as much as it's never been in a negative.

[edit]

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on May 16, 2012, 07:45:56 AM
LINK (http://www.cnbc.com/id/47428134)

Quote
According to the transcript, Greek depositors recently withdrew 700 million euros from the nation's local banks, said President Karolos Papoulias, though the exact timing of the transfer was unclear.

Um - that looks suspiciously like a run on the Greek banks to me...

Ya Da!

Stocks faded in the final hour of trading Tuesday to finish lower following news that Greek depositors withdrew 700 million euros from the nation's banking system and after Greece's leaders failed to agree on a coalition government.  
http://www.cnbc.com/id/47428134 (http://www.cnbc.com/id/47428134)

But, all is well!  All is well!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: BMG on May 16, 2012, 08:41:28 AM
Quite right Libertas.

And now it looks like Italy's doing the contagion hustle today. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/9268330/Italys-banks-shaken-as-economic-slump-deepens.html)

Quote
As Greece erupts, Italy is moving into the eye of the storm. Its economy is contracting at speeds not seen since the depths of the slump in 2009 as draconian austerity bites, greatly increasing the risk of social revolt and a banking crisis.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on May 16, 2012, 09:46:39 AM
Quite right Libertas.

And now it looks like Italy's doing the contagion hustle today. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/9268330/Italys-banks-shaken-as-economic-slump-deepens.html)

Quote
As Greece erupts, Italy is moving into the eye of the storm. Its economy is contracting at speeds not seen since the depths of the slump in 2009 as draconian austerity bites, greatly increasing the risk of social revolt and a banking crisis.

Thats amore Dean Martin (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS6-b7CONDI#)

Or not!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on May 16, 2012, 09:48:49 AM
A change in the Greek 300?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/greece-and-after#comment-2431356 (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/greece-and-after#comment-2431356)

Umm, what are anti-bailout far-leftists?  Isn't that one big fat freaking lie?!  They think they can spend without incurring debt?  What, they think they are Zimbabwe?

 ::facepalm::

Greece is completely hosed!

Flee now, while you can!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on May 16, 2012, 11:11:20 AM
Dollar only wins because the alternative is worse...   ::)

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/ecb-stops-policy-operations-some-greek-banks (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/ecb-stops-policy-operations-some-greek-banks)

That'll make our next round of QE an easier sell, just keep whuppin' the Euro!   ::saywhat::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: charlesoakwood on May 16, 2012, 01:01:38 PM

I beginning to not understand this. 
Does that mean it's about over?
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: John Florida on May 16, 2012, 03:40:15 PM

I beginning to not understand this. 
Does that mean it's about over?


 I just got off the phone with my money mangler and he's waiting for the crap to hit the Fan in EU and then he's going shopping. For him it's not if it's how soon and the combination if Greece and what happened in France and Spain has 50% unemployment with it's youth and 25% nationally and Italy is on the ropes he says the Euro might not collapse but it won't remain in its present form there will be countries that will be forced to get out after their bankruptcies.


 Here he's looking for one more spike down in interest rates and then it up up and way from there.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Weisshaupt on May 16, 2012, 03:47:40 PM

 I just got off the phone with my money mangler and he's waiting for the crap to hit the Fan in EU and then he's going shopping. For him it's not if it's how soon and the combination if Greece and what happened in France and Spain has 50% unemployment with it's youth and 25% nationally and Italy is on the ropes he says the Euro might not collapse but it won't remain in its present form there will be countries that will be forced to get out after their bankruptcies.

Going shopping for what?  Greek Islands?
The CDS exposure is huge. As the PIIGS  go the US and remaining countries are going to have to print like mad to keep banks solvent.  The counter party risks on these countries will sink everyone. There is a very large chance of a cascade failure here. They will either print to cover the losses or they will let them happen. Printing buys time, but makes the collapse worse when it hits.

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: John Florida on May 16, 2012, 05:10:16 PM

 I just got off the phone with my money mangler and he's waiting for the crap to hit the Fan in EU and then he's going shopping. For him it's not if it's how soon and the combination if Greece and what happened in France and Spain has 50% unemployment with it's youth and 25% nationally and Italy is on the ropes he says the Euro might not collapse but it won't remain in its present form there will be countries that will be forced to get out after their bankruptcies.

Going shopping for what?  Greek Islands?
The CDS exposure is huge. As the PIIGS  go the US and remaining countries are going to have to print like mad to keep banks solvent.  The counter party risks on these countries will sink everyone. There is a very large chance of a cascade failure here. They will either print to cover the losses or they will let them happen. Printing buys time, but makes the collapse worse when it hits.



 Whatever is out there that's a bargain.Panic as usual will have people selling anything and everything good or bad.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on May 17, 2012, 08:05:28 AM
They will print.  There are rumors swirling around that both the ECB and US will be unleashing QE3...so worse down the road is coming pretty quick!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: BMG on May 17, 2012, 09:32:58 AM
Yesterday there was a run on Greek banks to the tune of 850Million. Today it's being reported that over the last week there has been a run on the newly nationalized bank of Spain (bankia) to the tune of 1Billion. Once this starts I don't see how it stops. Of course I'm not some super savvy economics egghead here, but it's looking to me like the EU's gonna crash very soon.

LINK (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/187a0562-a00a-11e1-90f3-00144feabdc0.html)

Quote
Shares in Bankia, the Spanish bank that was part-nationalised last week, plunged by more than a quarter on Thursday morning, after a report that customers had withdrawn €1bn from the bank over the past week.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on May 23, 2012, 12:26:14 PM
Can you locate a good path, a clean exit?  Heck, missing a few other paths in there maybe, like military coup...civil war...

(http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss291/libertasinfinitio/Misc/EuroBreakdown.jpg)

H/T ZH - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/flowcharting-eurocalypse (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/flowcharting-eurocalypse)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on May 29, 2012, 02:19:17 PM
Plan G, G for Germany, G for Gold...grab zee gold!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/germany-has-generous-proposal-broke-piigs-cash-gold (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/germany-has-generous-proposal-broke-piigs-cash-gold)

And the prospect of having gold seized is not going over well for the other PIIGS as you can imagine!

(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2012/01/PIIGS.jpg)

PS - Liberty 33 refers of course to NY Fed!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on May 31, 2012, 07:06:08 AM
Flocking to the dollar & yen, not because they are necessarily "better", only because others are so much more worse...

http://finviz.com/futures_charts.ashx?t=CURRENCIES&p=d1 (http://finviz.com/futures_charts.ashx?t=CURRENCIES&p=d1)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: charlesoakwood on May 31, 2012, 10:22:04 AM

Amazing and clicking weekly looks worse.

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on May 31, 2012, 11:50:30 AM
Yup, probably continue a while longer, then Bendover Benny will print like a demon on holiday and we can enjoy some temporary hopium before our floor drops beneath us...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: BMG on June 03, 2012, 08:06:12 PM
LINK (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambroseevans_pritchard/9309669/The-week-that-Europe-stopped-pretending.html)

Quote
The euro has essentially broken down as a viable economic and political undertaking. The latest rush of events reeks of impending denouement.

Quote
"Let’s not delude ourselves: If the euro falls apart, so will the European Union, triggering a global economic crisis on a scale that most people alive today have never experienced," he said.

Quote
Germany can break the logjam at any time by agreeing to fiscal union, debt-pooling and full mobilization of the ECB, with all that this implies for its democracy. The answer from Chancellor Angela Merkel over the weekend was "under no circumstances". In that case, prepare for the consequences.
 
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: trapeze on June 03, 2012, 09:03:08 PM
As I have said somewhere else (probably on this thread), wars have been started over issues such as these.

I sure wish that we didn't suck as a country right now.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on June 03, 2012, 09:52:18 PM
Yeah, what are the odds that things don't unravel until we can get a new Admin?

 ::facepalm::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: charlesoakwood on June 04, 2012, 12:29:53 AM


Quote
Quote
Germany can break the logjam at any time by agreeing to fiscal union, debt-pooling and full mobilization of the ECB, with all that this implies for its democracy. The answer from Chancellor Angela Merkel over the weekend was "under no circumstances". In that case, prepare for the consequences.

SSDD,  it's the rich,  it's GWB,  it's Germany,  yeah, it's their fault.  They are dependable, they are predictable, they played by the rules and didn't squander themselves, it's their fault let's get them.  It's 1939 same song but Germany has not much military and glad Vlad, I must believe, is sitting in the wings waiting for Europe to feast upon itself.  Personally, I hope Germany, Poland and the eastern democracies are having meetings and making private treaties.

 
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on June 04, 2012, 07:19:57 AM
The time has arrived where the leftists are running out of they/them to blame...

We are entering the phase where reality is not optional...and where the desperate get really nucking futs!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on June 11, 2012, 07:32:07 AM
This is good - "doomed to fail"!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/farage-spanish-bailout-reinforcement-failure (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/farage-spanish-bailout-reinforcement-failure)

Yup.  But stupidity marches on!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/newedge-spanish-people-may-regret-bailout (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/newedge-spanish-people-may-regret-bailout)

On your knees, Spanish dog!

Yeah, this will end well!

 ::)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: charlesoakwood on June 11, 2012, 09:59:23 AM

                 or

We are not Uganda.

Of course not, it wasn't their bonds Nigeria dumped.

 ::rolllaughing::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: robins111 on June 11, 2012, 12:46:09 PM
Someone should start a pool like a football pool, based on the date the Euro-trash bite the dust...   I don't give them the end of august..  so my pick is Aug. 31.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on June 11, 2012, 01:00:05 PM
I'll take the cycnical view it won't happen until Romney takes office, could be 1-21-13 for all I know and before Mitt could be unpacked the Democrat-Media Complex will nail him with the blame....
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on June 12, 2012, 07:08:50 AM
ZeroHedge has a couple good posts on Euro crisis"

1)  Great pic on Spanish Bailout -

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/spanish-bailout-explained-one-image (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/spanish-bailout-explained-one-image)

Pretty much covers that!

2)  Next, looks like France is on the clock.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/credit-suisse-explains-real-issue-and-why-there-two-months-tops-until-france-bulls-eye (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/credit-suisse-explains-real-issue-and-why-there-two-months-tops-until-france-bulls-eye)

Not surprising given recent political change in France, IMF & Soros putting the date-certain hex on the Euro et al.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on June 13, 2012, 06:55:13 AM
ZeroHedge article says Germany pulled back the punch bowl, not sure whizzing in it isn't a better idea...


•Schaeuble Rejects European Redemption Fund: Stern Magazine
•German finance minister says redemption fund would violate EU treaties, in interview with Stern magazine

So contrary to the ridiculous hopes floated yesterday, and the even more ridiculous market levitation in response, there will be no banking union, no deposit guarantee, and no redemption fund. Well, there will be: on either of two conditions. European countries give up their sovereignty, which will likely never happen - this is, after all Europe - or it may if the respective local stock market are trading just north of zero, or if the bailout targets pledge their gold as decribed before.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/germany-pulls-punchbowl-usual (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/germany-pulls-punchbowl-usual)

 ::popcorn::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on June 14, 2012, 08:02:18 AM
A bit o/t but funny...the ZH "not" game initiated at Europe's expense.  Obviously it has grown beyond that constraint in the comments.  Some are damned funny though!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/definitive-lesson-new-normal-european-geography (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/definitive-lesson-new-normal-european-geography)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on June 25, 2012, 08:13:33 AM
"We need more and not less Europe."

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/sch%C3%A4uble-german-endgame-plans-cant-lets-european-crisis-go-waste (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/sch%C3%A4uble-german-endgame-plans-cant-lets-european-crisis-go-waste)

 ::facepalm::

But saying "no" to Kabuki, that I can get behind!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/merkel-crushes-hopes-german-funded-pan-european-socialism-once-again#comment-2557430 (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/merkel-crushes-hopes-german-funded-pan-european-socialism-once-again#comment-2557430)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on June 25, 2012, 11:41:32 AM
New Greek finance minister didn't last too long!

I am outta here! (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/greek-finance-minister-resigns-just-days-after-appointment-cyprus-officially-requests-bailout)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: charlesoakwood on July 09, 2012, 01:43:15 PM

... UKIP's Nigel Farage discussed the sad reality of Europe's inevitable demise with the reigning US chief of non-hype Rick Santelli ...

http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000100509 (http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000100509)

Herrrrrrr's Nigel:
Quote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYoh7XhYe1k


HT: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/perfect-storm-santelli-meets-farage (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/perfect-storm-santelli-meets-farage)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on July 09, 2012, 07:38:37 PM
Santelli tells it like it is, it is so refreshing to hear truth and not have to vomit after hearing someone speak or write about this stuff.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: BMG on July 12, 2012, 09:34:26 AM
LINK (http://www.cnbc.com/id/48144383)

Quote
Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy announced a swathe of new taxes and spending cuts on Wednesday designed to slash 65 billion euros from the budget deficit by 2014 as recession-plagued Spain struggles to meet tough targets agreed with Europe.

Rajoy, of the center-right People's Party, proposed a 3-point hike in the main rate of Value Added Tax on goods and services to 21 percent, and outlined cuts in unemployment [cnbc explains] benefit and civil service pay and perks in a parliamentary speech interrupted by jeers and boos from the opposition.

Tax & spend, tax & spend...

Leftism destroys all it touches.

Leftism: Creating slavery, poverty, failure and death since it's inception and still the foolish blindly follow. Idiots. All of them.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on July 12, 2012, 08:04:01 PM
Yup, witness how even the most modest of proposals to reign in socialism is met with anger.  These fools would rather destroy all than lose one damn freebie.

The fools hold sway and destruction will come.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: charlesoakwood on July 15, 2012, 09:43:13 PM

This (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2173848/French-demand-Crown-Jewels-Queen-1499-murder-Edward-Plantagenet.html) ought to help keep the Euro together.
 ...
A French city which produced 14 English kings is demanding the Crown Jewels as compensation from the Queen for the murder of its last pretender to the throne.
...
*513 years' worth of compensation.
*billions in today's currency

Oh, those Frenchmen, they are so funny.
                                                          ::rolllaughing::

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: John Florida on July 15, 2012, 10:11:14 PM

This (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2173848/French-demand-Crown-Jewels-Queen-1499-murder-Edward-Plantagenet.html) ought to help keep the Euro together.
 ...
A French city which produced 14 English kings is demanding the Crown Jewels as compensation from the Queen for the murder of its last pretender to the throne.
...
*513 years' worth of compensation.
*billions in today's currency

Oh, those Frenchmen, they are so funny.
                                                          ::rolllaughing::



 More retarted than funny.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: trapeze on July 15, 2012, 11:03:12 PM
Perhaps the English should demand compensation for Princess Diana getting offed in Paris. That seems like the better of far fetched lawsuits.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: BMG on July 23, 2012, 07:06:06 PM
Moody's Cuts Outlook on Germany, the Netherlands and Luxembourg (http://www.cnbc.com/id/48292099)

Quote
Moody's Investors Service on Monday changed its outlook for top-rated Germany, the Netherlands and Luxembourg to negative from stable, warning that they may have to increase support for indebted euro zone states such as Spain and Italy.

Moody's also cited an increased chance of Greece leaving the euro zone, which "would set off a chain of financial sector shocks ... that policymakers could only contain at a very high cost."
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: charlesoakwood on July 23, 2012, 07:22:11 PM

Quote
Quote
Moody's Investors Service on Monday changed its outlook for top-rated Germany, the Netherlands and Luxembourg to negative from stable, warning that they may have to increase support for indebted euro zone states such as Spain and Italy.

That sounds like a desperate threat.  Does Obama own Moody's?
Hey, you rich country's should share your wealth.

Merkel, tell them to suck wind.




Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Glock32 on July 23, 2012, 07:22:19 PM
Perhaps the English should demand compensation for Princess Diana getting offed in Paris. That seems like the better of far fetched lawsuits.

Or how about the British present them a bill for all the British servicemen who are lying in some anonymous grave in France, so that they can continue to have the freedom to be haughty, obnoxious pricks?
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on July 25, 2012, 07:18:52 AM
UK GDP going in the crapper...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/british-double-dip-accelerates-following-terrible-gdp-data (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/british-double-dip-accelerates-following-terrible-gdp-data)

OK, sing it with me!

Everybody's printing now
Come on get those presses churning now
Go on a money-printing spree with me!

Louder!

/

 ::facepalm::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on July 26, 2012, 11:27:33 AM
More good news for the UK - recession to depression...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/forget-double-dip-uk-now-depression (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/forget-double-dip-uk-now-depression)

I'm sure the Olympic games will give them the boost stab in the back they don't need!

 ::unknowncomic::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Sectionhand on July 27, 2012, 05:40:40 AM
With my 20/20 hindsight in focus , I well remember telling anyone in 1993 who would listen that the new EU would end in disaster ... that " Those a**holes haven't been able to agree on a damned thing in a thousand years . Why should we expect them to start now ? "
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on July 27, 2012, 06:49:20 AM
With my 20/20 hindsight in focus , I well remember telling anyone in 1993 who would listen that the new EU would end in disaster ... that " Those a**holes haven't been able to agree on a damned thing in a thousand years . Why should we expect them to start now ? "

Yes, not quite as bad as expecting Jews and Jihadis to get along like best buds, but not far off.  The main point I had at the get go was once they formed economic union and a common currency the thought that they would be the "United States of Europe" was a pipe-dream.  The comparison to us fails to account historical differences on the origins and traditions of our people as well as a naive beleif that they would operate harmoniously together.  The many socialized states comprising the majority of the nations is now providing much of the economic woes they now face.  One needs to only look to the former Soviet satellite states...they stayed independent and only form loose associations with those they want to engage, since they suffered under socialism so long before they had little desire to join the new entity and suffer a second bout of insanity.  Europe tends to only think and act as one mind when a King or Dictator controls them all.  They better be careful what they wish for, they might just get it...and then they'll regret it and this time they'll be lucky to survive the mistake.  I doubt many would rush to their aid if chaos broke out in full.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on July 27, 2012, 06:59:26 AM
This is a pretty pic...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/europes-broken-transmission-channels (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/europes-broken-transmission-channels)

Hilarious that their best option seems to be letting risk rise while pimping for more private sector action...

Really, the Europeans are nuts...but who isn't in the ranks of PTBs world wide?!   ::)

And still, the only voice of reason is Germany...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/europe-desperately-attempts-talk-down-bond-yields-further-bundesbank-finally-says-nein (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/europe-desperately-attempts-talk-down-bond-yields-further-bundesbank-finally-says-nein)

Saying "no" to spoiled brats and incompetent parents.   ::thumbsup::

And this is hilarious!

•HOLLANDE-MERKEL TO SPEAK BY PHONE AT 1 PM ON HELP: LE MONDE
•STREITER SAYS `DOESN'T KNOW' ABOUT MERKEL-HOLLANDE CALL

 ::hysterical::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: charlesoakwood on July 27, 2012, 12:23:10 PM
...

•HOLLANDE-MERKEL TO SPEAK BY PHONE AT 1 PM ON HELP: LE MONDE
•STREITER SAYS `DOESN'T KNOW' ABOUT MERKEL-HOLLANDE CALL

 ::hysterical::


(http://jasonjeffrey.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/183771d1291976733-lustige-bilder-videos-fotos-witze-angela-merkel.jpg)

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on July 27, 2012, 02:37:05 PM
Saw Hollande in the buff?

 ::hysterical::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on July 31, 2012, 11:19:58 AM
I still say there is no way the Europeans will keep this kabuki going much longer...if distresses states cannot stomach mild austerity how in the hell will the EU survive?  Politicians are rewarded for lavishing gifts, not restraining spending...it's ridiculous to think these clowns can keep a lid on things.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/9440579/Eurozone-unemployment-hits-record-high-while-Mario-Monti-sees-light-at-the-end-of-tunnel.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/9440579/Eurozone-unemployment-hits-record-high-while-Mario-Monti-sees-light-at-the-end-of-tunnel.html)

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Glock32 on July 31, 2012, 11:28:10 AM
Complete breakdown of the existing order is the best option for the Western world. I still don't believe the majority of ordinary people in the West actually support the rapid colonization of their homelands by savages from the Third World, or any of the other treacheries committed against them by the current oligarchs. The combination of statist oppression and normalcy bias is what keeps them from being more vocal about how much they don't want it.

It all needs a good purifying. It could, of course, go all wrong and end up destroying what's left, but that is going to come anyway if we continue down the current path.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on July 31, 2012, 11:38:08 AM
Can't get the impurities out of steel without some heat and hammering.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on August 07, 2012, 07:02:04 AM
OK Italy, keep the gloves up!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/quarto-reich-italy-goes-there-again (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/quarto-reich-italy-goes-there-again)

I guess the Italians figure that'll distract people away from their imploding economy...but...they ought to be concerned about daring the Germans...perhaps they ought to not poke the wolf in the eye...just a thought...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on August 08, 2012, 07:07:24 AM
Mass exodus of the top of France's productive class in 3...2...1...

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/08/business/global/frances-les-riches-vow-to-leave-if-75-tax-rate-is-passed.html?_r=2&hpw (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/08/business/global/frances-les-riches-vow-to-leave-if-75-tax-rate-is-passed.html?_r=2&hpw)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: BMG on August 14, 2012, 12:39:17 PM
LINK (http://www.spiegel.de/international/business/investors-preparing-for-collapse-of-the-euro-a-849747.html)

Quote
Banks, companies and investors are preparing themselves for a collapse of the euro. Cross-border bank lending is falling, asset managers are shunning Europe and money is flowing into German real estate and bonds. The euro remains stable against the dollar because America has debt problems too. But unlike the euro, the dollar's structure isn't in doubt.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: charlesoakwood on August 14, 2012, 08:28:50 PM

Yeah, last week Italy said it would be Germany's
fault, because they refused them more money to
spend, if they failed.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on August 15, 2012, 06:46:07 AM
Yeah, and crack-dealers are to blame for crackheads not getting the crack they need despite no banks and convenience stores left in the hood to rob...I guess we just need more philanthropic crack-dealers and all will be well...

 ::facepalm::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on August 17, 2012, 02:40:51 PM
If people are starting to think it is a possibilty, then you know the possibility is growing...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/9480990/Finland-prepares-for-break-up-of-eurozone.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/9480990/Finland-prepares-for-break-up-of-eurozone.html)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: BMG on September 03, 2012, 07:51:22 AM
LINK (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/03/business/economy/us-companies-prepare-in-case-greece-exits-euro.html?_r=2)

Quote
Even as Greece desperately tries to avoid defaulting on its debt, American companies are preparing for what was once unthinkable: that Greece could soon be forced to leave the euro zone.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on September 03, 2012, 07:03:39 PM
Follow the script, it'll repeat often.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on September 11, 2012, 07:07:50 AM
I don't know if the German justice system will see things the way Peter Gauweiler sees it, but he is voicing valid concerns over the EU creating its own unlimited financial behemoth running amok outside of political control...much like the Fed/Treasury "merger" in the US back in the 50's...

He'll probably lose in the end, going up against the system is a lot tougher than it used to be...and the EU will have its avenue to hell paved in freshly printed Euro notes...

Oh well...

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/german-politician-files-court-challenge-against-ecb-plans-to-buy-bonds-a-854924.html (http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/german-politician-files-court-challenge-against-ecb-plans-to-buy-bonds-a-854924.html)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: charlesoakwood on September 13, 2012, 06:26:12 PM


Nigel Farage destroys Barroso's State of the Union (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vms_vd_yWgY#ws)

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: John Florida on September 13, 2012, 07:55:09 PM
  He can talk till he's blue in the face.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on October 11, 2012, 06:32:14 PM
Mini-Galt: "Greece's biggest company is leaving the country, drinks bottler Coca Cola Hellenic (CCH) said on Thursday in announcing it will move to Switzerland and list its shares in London, dealing a blow to the debt-crippled Greek economy."

http://www.cnbc.com/id/49371256 (http://www.cnbc.com/id/49371256)

Next!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: John Florida on October 11, 2012, 07:04:27 PM
Mini-Galt: "Greece's biggest company is leaving the country, drinks bottler Coca Cola Hellenic (CCH) said on Thursday in announcing it will move to Switzerland and list its shares in London, dealing a blow to the debt-crippled Greek economy."

http://www.cnbc.com/id/49371256 (http://www.cnbc.com/id/49371256)

Next!


  Smart move!!Let it burn.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on October 12, 2012, 06:49:45 AM
I'm sure this will help.

/

http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,6943.new.html#new (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,6943.new.html#new)

 ::laughonfloor::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: charlesoakwood on October 12, 2012, 11:23:34 AM

They could take that tin cup or whatever it is and pawn it. 
They should have taken Merkel's advice: cut entitlement
spending, go to work, and sell some islands to pay your debt.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on November 26, 2012, 11:12:18 AM
Some get it...too many don't...

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/i-genuinely-believe-this-is-a-marxist-revolution-british-lawmakers-revolt-against-e-u-and-how-it-relates-to-us/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/i-genuinely-believe-this-is-a-marxist-revolution-british-lawmakers-revolt-against-e-u-and-how-it-relates-to-us/)

We're not the only people who feel like they are screaming into a hurricane!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on February 14, 2013, 07:23:08 AM
Oh oh!  If Germany is starting to slip this could really exacerbate things in the EU!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2013/feb/14/eurozone-crisis-live-recession-germany (http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2013/feb/14/eurozone-crisis-live-recession-germany)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: pisskop on February 14, 2013, 09:28:47 AM
Germany, IMO, would be better off using its own currency.  Get out of the EU, take the short term loss, and then build up for the firestorm.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on February 14, 2013, 11:36:40 AM
Agreed, but they seem more determined to rule over a weak EU than a strong Germany.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Pandora on February 14, 2013, 12:27:11 PM
Agreed, but they seem more determined to rule over a weak EU than a strong Germany.

IIRC, this was the original French complaint/fear.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on February 14, 2013, 01:24:37 PM
Agreed, but they seem more determined to rule over a weak EU than a strong Germany.

IIRC, this was the original French complaint/fear.

Yes, remember all the Franco-Kraut hand-holding and kissy-kissy at the start of this dance?

 ::puke::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on June 04, 2013, 07:35:16 AM
ZH is big on the youth unemployment numbers in Europe, and there is a valid point that that many angry youths with no prospects roaming the streets cannot be a good thing...but then again go full-retard with socialism isn't a good thing either, so...ya get what ya get!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-06-03/18-signs-massive-economic-problems-are-erupting-everywhere (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-06-03/18-signs-massive-economic-problems-are-erupting-everywhere)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on November 09, 2013, 09:48:26 AM
Kinda piggybacks on the previous post...

...all them youths have to find a voice somewhere...

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/09/world/europe/right-wings-surge-in-europe-has-the-establishment-rattled.html?hp (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/09/world/europe/right-wings-surge-in-europe-has-the-establishment-rattled.html?hp)

...once you deny someone their voice and marginalize and demonize them, it tends to have a tempering effect...and you'll get something far worse than what you tried to stamp out previously.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: benb61 on November 13, 2013, 10:17:22 AM
Kinda piggybacks on the previous post...

...all them youths have to find a voice somewhere...

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/09/world/europe/right-wings-surge-in-europe-has-the-establishment-rattled.html?hp (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/09/world/europe/right-wings-surge-in-europe-has-the-establishment-rattled.html?hp)

...once you deny someone their voice and marginalize and demonize them, it tends to have a tempering effect...and you'll get something far worse than what you tried to stamp out previously.

Yeah, here in the States they are going to get a WAR!!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on November 13, 2013, 11:46:46 AM
Kinda piggybacks on the previous post...

...all them youths have to find a voice somewhere...

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/09/world/europe/right-wings-surge-in-europe-has-the-establishment-rattled.html?hp (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/09/world/europe/right-wings-surge-in-europe-has-the-establishment-rattled.html?hp)

...once you deny someone their voice and marginalize and demonize them, it tends to have a tempering effect...and you'll get something far worse than what you tried to stamp out previously.

Yeah, here in the States they are going to get a WAR!!

Yeah, one is coming sooner or later, damn them.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: oldcoastie6468 on November 13, 2013, 04:17:56 PM
Kinda piggybacks on the previous post...

...all them youths have to find a voice somewhere...

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/09/world/europe/right-wings-surge-in-europe-has-the-establishment-rattled.html?hp (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/09/world/europe/right-wings-surge-in-europe-has-the-establishment-rattled.html?hp)

...once you deny someone their voice and marginalize and demonize them, it tends to have a tempering effect...and you'll get something far worse than what you tried to stamp out previously.

Yeah, here in the States they are going to get a WAR!!

Yeah, one is coming sooner or later, damn them.

I hope it's sooner. Let's get this sh*t over with so we can get on with our lives.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on November 14, 2013, 07:28:27 AM
Kinda piggybacks on the previous post...

...all them youths have to find a voice somewhere...

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/09/world/europe/right-wings-surge-in-europe-has-the-establishment-rattled.html?hp (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/09/world/europe/right-wings-surge-in-europe-has-the-establishment-rattled.html?hp)

...once you deny someone their voice and marginalize and demonize them, it tends to have a tempering effect...and you'll get something far worse than what you tried to stamp out previously.

Yeah, here in the States they are going to get a WAR!!

Yeah, one is coming sooner or later, damn them.

I hope it's sooner. Let's get this sh*t over with so we can get on with our lives.

You not gettin' any younger either, eh?

What will be will be.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: OldSailor on November 23, 2013, 12:14:32 PM
Kinda piggybacks on the previous post...

...all them youths have to find a voice somewhere...

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/09/world/europe/right-wings-surge-in-europe-has-the-establishment-rattled.html?hp (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/09/world/europe/right-wings-surge-in-europe-has-the-establishment-rattled.html?hp)

...once you deny someone their voice and marginalize and demonize them, it tends to have a tempering effect...and you'll get something far worse than what you tried to stamp out previously.

Yeah, here in the States they are going to get a WAR!!

Yeah, one is coming sooner or later, damn them.

I hope it's sooner. Let's get this sh*t over with so we can get on with our lives.

You not gettin' any younger either, eh?


Who is?
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on November 25, 2013, 07:48:45 AM
Kinda piggybacks on the previous post...

...all them youths have to find a voice somewhere...

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/09/world/europe/right-wings-surge-in-europe-has-the-establishment-rattled.html?hp (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/09/world/europe/right-wings-surge-in-europe-has-the-establishment-rattled.html?hp)

...once you deny someone their voice and marginalize and demonize them, it tends to have a tempering effect...and you'll get something far worse than what you tried to stamp out previously.

Yeah, here in the States they are going to get a WAR!!

Yeah, one is coming sooner or later, damn them.

I hope it's sooner. Let's get this sh*t over with so we can get on with our lives.

You not gettin' any younger either, eh?


Who is?

My father...behaviorly...something I can look forward too I reckon...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on November 26, 2013, 07:53:51 AM
You things are bad when people purposely infect themselves with HIV in order to get government benefits.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/11/25/report-half-of-new-hiv-cases-in-greece-from-2009-2011-self-inflicted-to-get-benefits/ (http://dailycaller.com/2013/11/25/report-half-of-new-hiv-cases-in-greece-from-2009-2011-self-inflicted-to-get-benefits/)

This is beyond desperate, this is full-blown insane!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: benb61 on November 26, 2013, 09:43:08 AM
You things are bad when people purposely infect themselves with HIV in order to get government benefits.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/11/25/report-half-of-new-hiv-cases-in-greece-from-2009-2011-self-inflicted-to-get-benefits/ (http://dailycaller.com/2013/11/25/report-half-of-new-hiv-cases-in-greece-from-2009-2011-self-inflicted-to-get-benefits/)

This is beyond desperate, this is full-blown insane!

Aren't all (well most) cases of HIV/AIDS self inflicted? I would think the only ones not are people who got bad blood transfusions or being born to a mother with it, otherwise self inflicted.  IV Drug use, homo sex, what else is there.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on November 26, 2013, 11:41:27 AM
You things are bad when people purposely infect themselves with HIV in order to get government benefits.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/11/25/report-half-of-new-hiv-cases-in-greece-from-2009-2011-self-inflicted-to-get-benefits/ (http://dailycaller.com/2013/11/25/report-half-of-new-hiv-cases-in-greece-from-2009-2011-self-inflicted-to-get-benefits/)

This is beyond desperate, this is full-blown insane!

Aren't all (well most) cases of HIV/AIDS self inflicted? I would think the only ones not are people who got bad blood transfusions or being born to a mother with it, otherwise self inflicted.  IV Drug use, homo sex, what else is there.

Yeah, but far as I know getting it on purpose for bennies is something new...   ::unknowncomic::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: ChrstnHsbndFthr on November 27, 2013, 09:09:03 AM
I heard they walked this back, now claiming it was based on only a few.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on June 17, 2014, 11:57:10 AM
More on Greece - 2/3rds of wages are BARTER (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-17/greece-goes-medieval-23rds-wages-paid-barter)

Wow.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on October 27, 2014, 09:09:04 AM
Jeesh, what an interregnum between posts on this thread!

Well, that is over...the slow steady erosion of banks continue, and in the EU it is the usual suspects...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-27/when-stress-tests-fail-italian-banks-are-collapsing (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-27/when-stress-tests-fail-italian-banks-are-collapsing)

There are stress tests failures aplenty, opn both sides of the pond, and the funnier thing is these tests themselves are watered down, so, things could be worse...

But hey, the old "everybody bail everybody else off" shell game is a classic, let's do that again!  Just create more fiat, we are in a deflationary funk dontchyaknow.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on December 30, 2014, 06:38:26 AM
Well, OK then!

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/29/syriza-leading-polls-future-begun-alexis-tsipras-greece (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/29/syriza-leading-polls-future-begun-alexis-tsipras-greece)

Maybe this will kick-start the EU collapse, sure would make the Rooskies happy...but right now America is Russia's number one enemy, thanks to Vlad the Nation-Inhaler's recycling of KGB-era anti-Americanism (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php?topic=9929.msg139552#msg139552), but a EU in crisis would be fine sport for the mongrels in Moscow.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on January 16, 2015, 08:00:49 AM
OK, first it was the Swiss breaking away from the Euro (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-15/peter-schiff-swiss-surrender-wins-currency-war) (so far that is working for the Swiss and not so well for the Euro, and this Jim Grant fella called it back in September (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-15/blast-recent-past-jim-grant-nails-snb-decision), and now we have the ELA (Emergency Liquidation Assistance) activating in Greece because Greeks are pulling fiat out (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-15/greek-bank-runs-have-begun-two-greek-banks-request-emergency-liquidity-assistance) and the Greeks are running out of collateral (actually I am surprised they have any left, must be land, eh?) and this will only strain the Euro and the ECB and weaken the EU as a whole at a time when NATO seems to be increasingly impotent to handle much of anything.

To that latter point, this excerpt from the comments made by Estonian President Toomas Hendrik Ilves is interesting in a historical context -

I'll tell you something: May 8, 1945, the definitive answer to annex other territories because of the minority living there. Germany must understand Russia - this is a thought of blood and soil for us.

Q: Do you feel like an outsider in the Western Alliance?

Ilves: No, but we feel vindicated. For 20 years, us Eastern Europeans have been told to calm down, that Russia is a normal country. And now they see that we were right.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-15/putin-destroyed-new-world-order-according-estonias-president-ilves (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-15/putin-destroyed-new-world-order-according-estonias-president-ilves)

I share his angst.  It wasn't me or people like me.  It is born of a refusal in the US by too many people to build upon the strength Reagan gave us and continue in that "trust but verify" mode and it started with Bush I and morphed into willfully blind naivitee under Clinton, and then into the surreal trust Bush II had in Vlad to the America in appeasement mode under Obama.  And in Europe the Russian issue has been  plagued by the same bug since the advent of the Czars - Russia is not quite European and has no history of unauthoritarian self rule and it is further complicated by recent wars of aggression each blames the other for and the old hatreds and resentments (while still present) have been dying off and the near perpetual dominance of left of center political rule has given rise to an environment of accomodation that the Russians have exploited and which now is playing itself out across the continent in economic conflicts, diplomatic sparring, military flexing and in the case of Ukraine direct military invasion and seizure of territory.

Europe is in flux, and instead of caught in it we should be looking to get out of it.  It is too late to partner up because it will never be all-in for either party, and half-assed will get you just as dead.

We should sit out the third war brewing there...but I doubt we will.

An economic wipeout might be the only thing keeping us out.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on January 26, 2015, 08:14:55 AM
Yeah.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-25/greeces-new-finmin-warns-we-are-going-destroy-greek-oligarchy-system (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-25/greeces-new-finmin-warns-we-are-going-destroy-greek-oligarchy-system)

Good luck with that.  Leftists fighting Leftists.

 ::popcorn::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on February 02, 2015, 07:30:19 AM
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-01/tide-turning-obama-expresses-sympathy-greece-lazard-says-50-greek-haircut-reasonable (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-01/tide-turning-obama-expresses-sympathy-greece-lazard-says-50-greek-haircut-reasonable)

Duh Stupid Wun sympathizes with Greece (naturally) and talks about "needing growth"!   ::hysterical::

The only things Obama can grow are: Government, deficits, and resentment!

And if the 50% haricut is in the offing, well, that should set off a nice stampede...

Maybe the EU can call on Pete Carroll for advice on their next move?
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on February 17, 2015, 06:55:45 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11416209/Germany-warns-there-are-no-options-as-time-runs-out-on-eurozone-talks-with-Greece.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11416209/Germany-warns-there-are-no-options-as-time-runs-out-on-eurozone-talks-with-Greece.html)

Greece says stick your austerity.

The game is still a 0-0 tie.

(http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss291/libertasinfinitio/Warnings/catssd1.gif)

ETA - Calls for capital controls.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-16/hans-werner-sinn-impose-capital-controls-greece-now-avoid-another-cyprus (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-16/hans-werner-sinn-impose-capital-controls-greece-now-avoid-another-cyprus)

Yeah, uhh huh.

Only one thing is certain - failure.  The EU fails, Greece fails, both fail...or they agree to decide who all fails at a later date...

 ::unknowncomic::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on February 20, 2015, 06:44:16 AM
OK, now this pic is hilarious!

(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2015/02/20150219_holiday1.jpg)

 ::hysterical::

Suck what you can out!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-19/greek-deposit-run-accelerates-ahead-mondays-bank-holiday (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-19/greek-deposit-run-accelerates-ahead-mondays-bank-holiday)

There will have to be a transfer period from the Euro where you can still spend that crap...

The Germans appear willing to call Greece's bluff...basically saying "goodbye" to them (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-20/german-led-block-willing-let-greece-leave-euro-ecb-preapres-grexit).  So now we will see if the Greeks call the German bluff.

 ::popcorn::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on March 05, 2015, 10:06:03 AM
ECB to launch 1 trillion euro bond buying scheme on March 9 (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ecb-launch-1-trillion-euro-134014768.html?l=1)

 ::popcorn::

 ::hysterical::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on March 24, 2015, 12:22:11 PM
(http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss291/libertasinfinitio/AntiLeftist/george_soros-prince.jpg)

Darth Soros, Dark Prince of the Sith - The chances of Greece leaving the euro area are now 50-50 and the country could go “down the drain,”

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-24/george-soros-warns-greece-going-down-drain (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-24/george-soros-warns-greece-going-down-drain)

Well, nobody knows evil and making things go down drains like the Dark Prince...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on April 01, 2015, 07:46:39 AM
Heh.  Greece threatens to go to Bitcoin!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-01/greek-finmin-greece-will-adopt-bitcoin-if-eurogroup-doesnt-give-us-deal (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-01/greek-finmin-greece-will-adopt-bitcoin-if-eurogroup-doesnt-give-us-deal)

Has to be an April Fool's joke, right?   I mean why would Bitcoin want them?  And how the heck is this going to resolve past debt obligations or spawn new generation?  It won't!

This I think is a load of Obama...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Weisshaupt on April 01, 2015, 08:17:54 AM
Has to be an April Fool's joke, right?   I mean why would Bitcoin want them?  And how the heck is this going to resolve past debt obligations or spawn new generation?  It won't!

Actually this is one of the smarter ideas I have heard.  Bitcoin doesn't have to want them.. and they can't deny them either.  ANYONE can mine bitcoin.
If the Greece put state resources behind mining bitcoin it would give the currency a bit of needed offical backing, and the govt could no longer cheat and just print it.. and state resources would probably allow Greece to become the premier bitcoin trading house if they wanted to be..

There are actually a lot of possibilities with this..
 
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on April 01, 2015, 08:38:54 AM
Has to be an April Fool's joke, right?   I mean why would Bitcoin want them?  And how the heck is this going to resolve past debt obligations or spawn new generation?  It won't!

Actually this is one of the smarter ideas I have heard.  Bitcoin doesn't have to want them.. and they can't deny them either.  ANYONE can mine bitcoin.
If the Greece put state resources behind mining bitcoin it would give the currency a bit of needed offical backing, and the govt could no longer cheat and just print it.. and state resources would probably allow Greece to become the premier bitcoin trading house if they wanted to be..

There are actually a lot of possibilities with this..

From a medium of exchange point of view, perhaps, even then though it will make interstate/global commerce problematic and the Euro's for sure will boycott business with Greece and discourage others from trading with them.

And it does nothing to solve their debt issues...unless they are prepared to fully go it alone and tell creditors to bugger off and operate without debt financing.

Frankly I don't think they can survive that way...

This is country has always been socialist and has always robbed Petros to pay Paulos after all...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Weisshaupt on April 01, 2015, 10:19:56 AM

From a medium of exchange point of view, perhaps, even then though it will make interstate/global commerce problematic and the Euro's for sure will boycott business with Greece and discourage others from trading with them.

And it does nothing to solve their debt issues...unless they are prepared to fully go it alone and tell creditors to bugger off and operate without debt financing.

Frankly I don't think they can survive that way...

This is country has always been socialist and has always robbed Petros to pay Paulos after all...

It would just mean that if you want to trade with Greece, then you convert to bit coin, and you already have an international exchange built for doing that.
Greenland left, cancelled their debts, and got themselves on a sound footing. Greece COULD do the same, but as you said.. the culture is such that really becoming successful would be difficult.  Going with Bitcoin would allow them to mine bitcoin, which is itself a business that can create value.  Enough to run a full socialist state? Probably not,  but maybe enough to jump start a government back into being fiscally responsible. Culturally it would be difficult for them, but that is reality.  Culturally this will be bad for us as well. But reality doesn't give a damn, does it?
 
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on April 01, 2015, 11:29:36 AM

From a medium of exchange point of view, perhaps, even then though it will make interstate/global commerce problematic and the Euro's for sure will boycott business with Greece and discourage others from trading with them.

And it does nothing to solve their debt issues...unless they are prepared to fully go it alone and tell creditors to bugger off and operate without debt financing.

Frankly I don't think they can survive that way...

This is country has always been socialist and has always robbed Petros to pay Paulos after all...

It would just mean that if you want to trade with Greece, then you convert to bit coin, and you already have an international exchange built for doing that.
Greenland left, cancelled their debts, and got themselves on a sound footing. Greece COULD do the same, but as you said.. the culture is such that really becoming successful would be difficult.  Going with Bitcoin would allow them to mine bitcoin, which is itself a business that can create value.  Enough to run a full socialist state? Probably not,  but maybe enough to jump start a government back into being fiscally responsible. Culturally it would be difficult for them, but that is reality.  Culturally this will be bad for us as well. But reality doesn't give a damn, does it?

I'm with ya.  If this reality is the best we can hope for...we sure as Hell ain't hoping for (let alone working towards) much!

I'll take "Crash this shyt and start over for $200, Alex"!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on April 17, 2015, 06:54:36 AM
Yeah, sure...this brilliant idea will work (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-16/greece-may-pay-wages-and-pensions-ious), really, give it a shot!

 ::hysterical::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on April 21, 2015, 07:45:00 AM
Things starting to unravel in Greece...as the government moves to seize reserves (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-20/stunned-greeks-react-initial-capital-controls-and-decree-confiscate-reserves-and-the), I'm sure this will all work out well.

 ::popcorn::

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on April 22, 2015, 07:30:03 AM
ECB pushing for a 50% writedown of Greek collateral? (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-21/ecb-prepares-sacrifice-greek-banks-50-collateral-haircut)

Ouch, that'll leave a mark.  Not unexpected though.  I like how all the players in this act surprised by anything the other does or does not do.

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on May 06, 2015, 06:38:53 AM
Greeks tax cash withdrawals...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3068975/Greece-introduces-mandatory-surcharges-cashpoints-desperate-attempt-raise-money-stop-panicked-citizens-withdrawing-life-savings-country-s-beleaguered-banks.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3068975/Greece-introduces-mandatory-surcharges-cashpoints-desperate-attempt-raise-money-stop-panicked-citizens-withdrawing-life-savings-country-s-beleaguered-banks.html)

...which I am almost positive will result in even faster depletions.

 ::popcorn::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on May 11, 2015, 12:26:04 PM
Germany to Greece - Accept austerity and stay in the EU, reject austerity and leave the EU (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-11/germany-gives-greece-grexit-referendum-greenlight).

Greece to Germany - We want to stay in the EU and reject austerity.

Russia to Greece - Come to the darkside (join the BRIC bank) (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-11/russia-asks-greece-join-brics-bank).

Greece to Russia -  ::whoohoo::

Before you get too giddy, y'all might want to read that really really small print and be sure your translations from Russian to Greek are really solid...because I got a feeling all your gold will be theirs, all your whatever has value will be theirs...your land will be theirs...and I doubt you'll like Russian austerity any better than EU austerity!

But hey, knock yourselves out!

 ::popcorn::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on May 12, 2015, 02:24:53 PM
Greece drains IMF reserve fund to help make IMF loan payment! (http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2015/05/greece-empties-imf-reserve-account-to.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MishsGlobalEconomicTrendAnalysis+%28Mish%27s+Global+Economic+Trend+Analysis%29)

 ::hysterical::

 ::popcorn::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on May 21, 2015, 07:00:06 AM
EU has interesting times ahead...Greece still in flux, now we have socialists in Portugul torked off over austerity (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-20/portugals-left-wing-forces-threaten-troika-revolt), their neighbor Spain has been a basket-case for years and I am surprised it is still upright, Italy has been in and out of the woods so often their feet have to be ground into stumps and there has always been the looming UK threat to leave the union and now it appears as if the referrendum vote could come this year (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-20/jpm-warns-uk-referendum-more-likely-2016-2017-pros-cons-brexit).

Shaping up for a heck of a summer and a swell finish to the year, eh?
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on May 27, 2015, 07:36:03 AM
As the EU wavers...Greeks suck out another e300, how much more paper money these Greeks have?  And what is happening with digital transfers?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-27/greece-nowhere-close-deal-depositors-pull-%E2%82%AC300-million-banks-single-day (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-27/greece-nowhere-close-deal-depositors-pull-%E2%82%AC300-million-banks-single-day)

Rock, meet Hard-Place...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on May 27, 2015, 10:28:37 AM
And this plan of the EU to go after Mutlinationals trying to avoid taxes, (http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/27/us-europe-tax-idUSKBN0OC1VO20150527?feedType=RSS&feedName=businessNews) we'll see how far this goes...if it is a toothless tiger or just another salvo triggering a counter-response by parent nations, etc etc...

Accounting Kabuki, Trade Kabuki, Currency Kabuki...it's all just Kabuki...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: John Florida on May 27, 2015, 11:31:22 AM
  The euro needs to drop a little as I'm going to Sicily this year.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on June 29, 2015, 02:27:24 PM
Greece...here we go...

http://news.sky.com/story/1509799/greek-banks-and-stock-exchange-in-shutdown (http://news.sky.com/story/1509799/greek-banks-and-stock-exchange-in-shutdown)

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-29/massive-greek-no-protest-front-parliament-live-feed (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-29/massive-greek-no-protest-front-parliament-live-feed)

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-29/greece-will-default-imf-tomorrow-government-official-says (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-29/greece-will-default-imf-tomorrow-government-official-says)

Everything is Awesome!!!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on June 30, 2015, 07:14:20 AM
Greek FM says no payment to the IMF today...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-30/varoufakis-confirms-greece-will-default-imf-today (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-30/varoufakis-confirms-greece-will-default-imf-today)

 ::popcorn::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Glock32 on June 30, 2015, 10:59:40 AM
Well, can't they just print some more money?
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on June 30, 2015, 11:19:01 AM
Well, can't they just print some more money?

That's the ECB's call...I'm guessing Merkel and others don't want to waste that much paper...and in so blatant a fashion...more blatantly than usual....

If your going to hose all citizens, best to have a better reason than artificially saving the Greeks a day or two...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on July 06, 2015, 07:09:39 AM
Greece says "Up yours!" to austerity measures, Merkel and Hollande call for a summit, banks prepare to raid accounts, Greeks buying up supplies and free-shyt people the world over celebrate...

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-07-05/euro-drops-as-greece-votes-no-to-austerity-demands-kiwi-falls (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-07-05/euro-drops-as-greece-votes-no-to-austerity-demands-kiwi-falls)

http://news.yahoo.com/sugar-flour-rice-panicked-greeks-stock-essentials-175737930.html;_ylt=AwrC1CkJSJhVLU4AhhjQtDMD;_ylu=X3oDMTBydDI5cXVuBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwM2BHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg-- (http://news.yahoo.com/sugar-flour-rice-panicked-greeks-stock-essentials-175737930.html;_ylt=AwrC1CkJSJhVLU4AhhjQtDMD;_ylu=X3oDMTBydDI5cXVuBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwM2BHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg--)

http://news.yahoo.com/latin-america-celebrates-greek-austerity-no-vote-095822566.html;_ylt=AwrC1Cg9bJpVrUEAykvQtDMD;_ylu=X3oDMTBydDI5cXVuBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwM2BHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg-- (http://news.yahoo.com/latin-america-celebrates-greek-austerity-no-vote-095822566.html;_ylt=AwrC1Cg9bJpVrUEAykvQtDMD;_ylu=X3oDMTBydDI5cXVuBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwM2BHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg--)

The dark comedy continues...

 ::popcorn::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: John Florida on July 06, 2015, 08:06:26 PM
  I can't believe that that chickenshyt country that can't collect it's taxes is holding up the EU  and people are paying attention to them.  Let it burn and when they get their acts together they can sit down and talk like grown ups.  Till then not one dime.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on July 07, 2015, 08:37:17 AM
I think they fear the burning will spread, when in a sane world one nation going under should be an alarm to others to clean up their act...

But, we are not in a sane world, so if things stay true to form,, all the wrong moves will continue to be made...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Weisshaupt on July 07, 2015, 08:47:50 AM
  I can't believe that that chickenshyt country that can't collect it's taxes is holding up the EU  and people are paying attention to them.  Let it burn and when they get their acts together they can sit down and talk like grown ups.  Till then not one dime.

Actually, the problem is the Greeks  already have the dimes. The question is how many of them they can manage to get back. This deal is analogous to the one Iceland turned down (http://reason.com/archives/2012/09/07/iceland-provides-a-blueprint-for-survivi)  They let the banks fail, and letting the economy burn ( and the oligarch's power with it )  is the right move for Greece.
 
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on July 07, 2015, 08:52:54 AM
  I can't believe that that chickenshyt country that can't collect it's taxes is holding up the EU  and people are paying attention to them.  Let it burn and when they get their acts together they can sit down and talk like grown ups.  Till then not one dime.

Actually, the problem is the Greeks  already have the dimes. The question is how many of them they can manage to get back. This deal is analogous to the one Iceland turned down (http://reason.com/archives/2012/09/07/iceland-provides-a-blueprint-for-survivi)  They let the banks fail, and letting the economy burn ( and the oligarch's power with it )  is the right move for Greece.
 

Good point, I forgot about Iceland, it is one of the few way to get back at the ruling class where it hurts.  If there is no bailout, no government confiscation to transfer to the ruling class...it is they who take it in the shorts the worst in terms of scale.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on July 08, 2015, 07:39:43 AM
Boy, talk about high kabuki drama...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3152938/European-leaders-warn-five-days-critical-moment-history-EU-Greece-given-one-final-deadline.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3152938/European-leaders-warn-five-days-critical-moment-history-EU-Greece-given-one-final-deadline.html)

...this seems like a cross between Faust and the Nutcracker...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Pandora on July 08, 2015, 02:23:56 PM
Sorta/sorta-not OT ...

http://www.themalaymailonline.com/money/article/as-shanghai-stock-market-tumbles-china-freezes-trading-in-1300-companies (http://www.themalaymailonline.com/money/article/as-shanghai-stock-market-tumbles-china-freezes-trading-in-1300-companies)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on July 10, 2015, 07:36:36 AM
Oh sure, sorta...Asian contagion...all part of the larger mosaic of mayhem...

Oh, and Merkel blinked...we're back to pre-toughtalk proposals again...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11730086/Greek-deal-in-sight-as-Germany-bows-to-huge-global-pressure-for-debt-relief.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11730086/Greek-deal-in-sight-as-Germany-bows-to-huge-global-pressure-for-debt-relief.html)

What a carousel of clowns!

 ::popcorn::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on July 13, 2015, 06:50:46 AM
This is so pathetic...

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20150712/eu--greece_bailout-37cc00c290.html (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20150712/eu--greece_bailout-37cc00c290.html)

...it's like watching two idiots try to play a game of chicken!

No, wait...strike that "like" part...it is two idiots playing chicken!

And the real funny part is...in the end it is all just BS anyway...all of this crap can only end one way.

 ::unknowncomic::

This take via ZH is just too hilarious...

Me: How are the talks going?
EU source: "sh*tty."
Me: "Getting more sh*tty or less?"
Source: "Pretty steady level of sh*ttiness"

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-12/latest-out-europe-pretty-steady-level-sh*ttiness (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-12/latest-out-europe-pretty-steady-level-sh*ttiness)

But, it sounds like folks are saying Tsipras folded (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-13/deal-struck-following-total-capitulation-tsipras-market-now-awaits-greek-reaction-dr), but all he did was kick the can to his Parliament and the bankers.  This will likely all unravel and they'll be back to square one and Tsipras will say the Euro demands are too stiff, yadda yadda yadda...

Jerk, meet circle, circle...

WHAT’S NEXT?

The Greek govt is set to renew a bank holiday and capital controls decree which expires today
*The ECB’s GC is expected to discuss ELA for Greece’s banks
*Eurogroup meeting later today will work on Greece’s short-term needs and discuss bridge financing
*Greece has accepted to legislate on 4 action points by Thursday July 16, and another two by July 22, according to Malta’s PM Muscat
*Then Greece would come before the Eurogroup and euro- area member states would decide to open or close the needed negotiations that would let the ESM to disburse funds, Muscat says
*Dutch PM Rutte says it could take weeks to negotiate Greek ESM aid deal

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-13/after-deal-heres-whats-next-greece (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-13/after-deal-heres-whats-next-greece)

 ::popcorn::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Glock32 on July 13, 2015, 09:52:02 AM
I was disappointed to hear that "a deal" had been reached.  Not because I care particularly about Europe's economy, but because it seems to be further evidence that the globalists will always, always, always have a rabbit to pull out of their magic hat.  They'll always, always, always find a clever new way to kick the can a bit further down the road.

Combine that with the fact that people are either (a) totally oblivious to the problem in the first place, or (b) vaguely aware of the problem but totally uninterested in confronting it, and it just seems like this house of cards will never run out of scotch tape to keep it together.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on July 13, 2015, 10:01:06 AM
I think the people (check out ZeroHedge) calling Tsipras a traitor are missing the point...maybe I am wrong but socialist leaders typically have a knack for using the corrupt political and bureaucratic institutions to their advantage (it is typically not the the nations advantage, but to the party's advantage and/or personal advantage)...primarily because they created these diseased institutions and populated them with their fellow travelers..and it is this corruption, dysfunction and ingrained socialistic miasma that is going to do what Tsipras politically could not do - outright kill the EU proposal.  In typical Euro-Socialist fashion, each side wants the other to cave/stumble/fail...they never win with offense, they win because the other capitulates.  Hence the hilarious idiots playing chicken analogy...both want to swerve out of the way and claim the other swerved first.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on July 13, 2015, 12:24:04 PM
Well, it didn't take long for that prediction to start showing promise...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-13/greek-lawmakers-wont-back-deal-finnish-finmin-says-cant-agree-new-greek-loans (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-13/greek-lawmakers-wont-back-deal-finnish-finmin-says-cant-agree-new-greek-loans)

 ::popcorn::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on July 14, 2015, 12:07:47 PM
Panos Kammenos, the defense minister and leader of Tsipras’s Independent Greeks junior coalition partner, said his lawmakers will only back those measures agreed by Greek political leaders and not those imposed by creditors, which he denounced as an attempted "coup d’etat."

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-14/complete-humiliation-greek-parliament-pressed-approve-german-coup (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-14/complete-humiliation-greek-parliament-pressed-approve-german-coup)

 ::popcorn::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on September 24, 2015, 12:01:11 PM
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/607595/Migrant-crisis-EU-lost-control-borders-danger-collapse (http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/607595/Migrant-crisis-EU-lost-control-borders-danger-collapse)

Jeesh, what a whiner! 

Buck up Donnie!  Look at the bright side...a breakup is about as good as your news could get, at least that way a couple nations choosing sanity and survival might make it.

Man, what a wuss!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on September 25, 2015, 11:38:06 AM
It is not surprising to me at all that the former East Bloc nations see this Muzloid invasion as insane...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/hungary/11884665/Refugee-crisis-EU-divided-as-Hungary-attacks-migrant-quota-as-unrealisable-and-nonsense.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/hungary/11884665/Refugee-crisis-EU-divided-as-Hungary-attacks-migrant-quota-as-unrealisable-and-nonsense.html)

...after all they had decades to learn what stupid, crazy and dangerous sh*t looks like!!!

The Western nations are suicidally insane...they should say goodbye to them now while they are alive to hear and see it.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on October 07, 2015, 11:36:22 AM
A young, female ‘No Borders’ activist working in a migrant camp on the France-Italy border remained silent about her gang rape by Sudanese migrants for over a month because “the others asked me to keep quiet.”

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/10/06/no-borders-activist-gang-raped-migrants-pressured-silence-not-damage-cause/ (http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/10/06/no-borders-activist-gang-raped-migrants-pressured-silence-not-damage-cause/)

Just more proof leftism is a disease and the only known cure is terminal to the host...

Their scum is like our scum...guaranteed this is going on here...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: John Florida on October 07, 2015, 04:11:57 PM
A young, female ‘No Borders’ activist working in a migrant camp on the France-Italy border remained silent about her gang rape by Sudanese migrants for over a month because “the others asked me to keep quiet.”

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/10/06/no-borders-activist-gang-raped-migrants-pressured-silence-not-damage-cause/ (http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/10/06/no-borders-activist-gang-raped-migrants-pressured-silence-not-damage-cause/)

Just more proof leftism is a disease and the only known cure is terminal to the host...

Their scum is like our scum...guaranteed this is going on here...

  You just can't rape the willing. She would rather give them permission to keep on raping her than do the right thing. Turn them in.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on November 09, 2015, 11:51:40 AM
If successful this could help speed things along in Europe. (http://www.france24.com/en/20151109-catalan-parliament-vote-secession-showdown-with-madrid)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: John Florida on November 10, 2015, 10:12:04 PM
  Let it burn.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on May 31, 2016, 12:08:37 PM
It's sickening seeing what is happening in Europe, but the same sickening Prog-Rot of pc/diversity/multi-cultism will ensure our demise too if people don't start waking the eff up!  Hopefully Trump can put that into perspective to some benefit.

Anyway, not sure Germany has a change with moonbats like Merkel running the show and riding herd on the EU.

This woman feels trapped...

http://vladtepesblog.com/2016/05/29/anon-open-letter-translated-from-pi-news/ (http://vladtepesblog.com/2016/05/29/anon-open-letter-translated-from-pi-news/)

...and I can understand that feeling, the desire to say bleep that is good, not sure the timing works...

Anyway, the AfD program she mentions is this -

https://www.alternativefuer.de/wp-content/uploads/sites/7/2016/05/2016-06-27_afd-grundsatzprogramm_web-version.pdf (https://www.alternativefuer.de/wp-content/uploads/sites/7/2016/05/2016-06-27_afd-grundsatzprogramm_web-version.pdf)

Translated, it leads off with:

COURAGE TO GERMANY.
FREE CITIZENS
NO SUBJECTS

We are liberals and conservatives.
We are free citizens of our country.
We are convinced democrats.  (I think maybe Google translate blew that...perhaps "committed" is more accurate)

Basically it goes on to lament to breakdown of law, no longer taking it idly, fed up with the EU, still like social market economy (WTF that is) but want to protect their culture and religion...basically a call to rise up.  But not revolutionary though revolutionary desires are throughout it...this is a political effort.

Which is why it will fail, which I why I am bothering to discuss it at all.

The folly of everyone is illustrative of how insane and unrecoverable Europe is destined to become.  No party, not the ruling elite, not the general sheepish public, not these throngs of pissed off people thinking a political solution has a chance realizes the absolute sh*tstorm that is about to explode.

Culture, religion, law, tradition, economic freedom...when all of these are under attack there is only going to be one result...massive bloody upheaval.

These people have no idea how close they are to obliteration.

And the pollyana's here likewise think "it can never happen here".

Yeah, and I have a jet that runs on unicorn farts.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on June 10, 2016, 07:30:12 AM
How cute...Chef Geld Hure Herr Schauble threatens Great Britain with economic blockade if Brexit vote breaks GB away.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/10/no-single-market-access-for-uk-after-brexit-wolfgang-schauble-says (http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/10/no-single-market-access-for-uk-after-brexit-wolfgang-schauble-says)

He kinda has a Nosferatu look, eh?

Bleep 'em!

Brexit Yes!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: ToddF on June 10, 2016, 04:46:57 PM
With each day there I come to the realization there is only one cure to rid the world of these kind of people that make up our dreadful professional political class.

Not sayin' any more.  Not sayin' any less.

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on June 14, 2016, 11:29:49 AM
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/14/brexit-news-uncertainty-around-eu-vote-causing-volatility-in-markets.html (http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/14/brexit-news-uncertainty-around-eu-vote-causing-volatility-in-markets.html)

Heh!

Nicht gut!   ::smallestviolin::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on June 15, 2016, 11:42:32 AM
EU gives Brits another reason to vote for Brexit!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-15/eu-wants-impose-tax-sharing-links-internet (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-15/eu-wants-impose-tax-sharing-links-internet)

Brilliant!

/

 ::hysterical::

Comments on this one are a hoot!

Looney  thesonandheir Jun 15, 2016 11:37 AM

The EU would, if it could, install a sh*t Meter into everybody’s ass, so they can tax each and every piece of sh*t.  ;-)

 ::laughonfloor::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on June 16, 2016, 11:06:04 AM
Well it appears the Brits have their own false flag event that is throwing a bucket of water on the Brexit movement...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-16/british-labor-mp-jo-cox-shot-and-stabbed-assailant-who-allegedly-shouting-britain-fi (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-16/british-labor-mp-jo-cox-shot-and-stabbed-assailant-who-allegedly-shouting-britain-fi)

...sounds ridiculous...

...I wonder how many cut-outs Merkel used to make sure this doesn't lead back to her?   ::whatgives::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Glock32 on June 16, 2016, 12:39:43 PM
Check out this video about Brexit.  Apparently they've pretty much already said even if the voters choose to leave the EU, they're not going to allow it to happen.  Another case of "this referendum is non-binding.  we are your betters and we'll make that call ourselves"

And listen to what he says about Bob Geldof shouting profanities at fisherman protesting in favor of Brexit.  Funny how leftists always like to portray themselves as champions of the workers.

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSPU4SgNH8Y#)


Yes it's from Infowars, but I like Paul Watson and he does some really good stuff.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on June 17, 2016, 06:56:31 AM
Another nice debunking of the myth of the moderate musloid too.   ::thumbsup::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: John Florida on June 19, 2016, 08:15:30 AM
  Racist and Islamophbic !! All of it.   ::pullhair::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Glock32 on June 23, 2016, 11:43:46 PM
So I'll be damned, the Brits actually pulled it off.  They voted to leave the EU!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: richb on June 24, 2016, 01:23:21 AM
So I'll be damned, the Brits actually pulled it off.  They voted to leave the EU!

Sounds like they may have.    Hope its true.    They were calling it the other way most of the day it seemed,  so a nice surprise. 
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: richb on June 24, 2016, 02:48:08 AM
Another bonus, 

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/06/24/cameron-intends-to-resign-after-britain-votes-to-leave-european-union.html?intc (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/06/24/cameron-intends-to-resign-after-britain-votes-to-leave-european-union.html?intc)

Cameron intends to resign after Britain votes to leave European Union.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on June 24, 2016, 08:38:50 AM
72 freaking percent!  Not even close!  Their proglodyte media just as effed up and as big a scheming pack of liars as ours!  Let's see Merkel act on her threats now. It would not surprise me to see the rest of the EU clowns be tougher on Brit's than the Musloid trash invading them.

I wonder who may follow suit? 
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Glock32 on June 24, 2016, 09:24:56 AM
Marine Le Pen is calling for #Frexit in France.  Geert Wilders is calling for a referendum in the Netherlands.  Polls in Sweden show less than 1/3 of the population want to remain in an EU without Britain in it.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on June 24, 2016, 09:56:30 AM
Heh, Germany will get stuck with all the crap, yeah...that's a shame.

Though Sweden is also experiencing muzzie issues too, maybe independence will rectify that too, but who knows..
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on June 27, 2016, 11:36:11 AM
Saw this at ThePeoplesCube -

(http://www.thepeoplescube.com/images/British_Are_Going_Brexit.png)

Heh!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on July 07, 2016, 11:56:39 AM
Subjective punishment in the wake of Brexit...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-07/unprecedented-decision-europe-will-sanction-spain-portugal-over-deficits-while-ignor (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-07/unprecedented-decision-europe-will-sanction-spain-portugal-over-deficits-while-ignor)

...yeah, that's gonna go over well.   ::hysterical::

A bit late to be cracking down on anyone anyway, isn't it?   ::)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on September 30, 2016, 08:35:06 AM
Deutsche Bank going kaput!

Hedge Fund managers running away...liquidity in question...Merkel has one option - bail in.

Fire up the presses!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-29/how-much-liquidity-deutsche-bank-has-moment-and-what-happens-next (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-29/how-much-liquidity-deutsche-bank-has-moment-and-what-happens-next)

Yeah, Hillary...let us NOT emulate Merkel and Germany!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Weisshaupt on September 30, 2016, 10:26:51 AM
Quote
Which ultimately means that DB really has four options: raise capital (sell equity, convert CoCos, which may results in an even bigger drop in the stock price due to dilution or concerns the liquidity raise may not be sufficient), approach the ECB for a liquidity bridge (this may also backfire as counterparties scramble to flee a central bank-backstopped institution), appeal for a state bailout (Merkel has so far said "Nein") or implement a bail-in, eliminating billions in unsecured claims (and deposits) and leading to a full-blown systemic bank run as depositors everywhere rush to withdraw their savings, leading to a collapse of the fractional reserve banking mode (in which there is only 10 cents in physical deliverable cash for every dollar in depositor claims). 

Um, Lets see. what happens next.  Your money is bailed in. There is no bank run because you no longer have money at the bank - you were an investor at the bank and your deposit was taken by the banks creditors. Sorry.  But then that wasn't enough so TPTB - be it Merkel or the UNited States etc and thier cronies step in to insure the banks debt. They may do it for the depositors as well, but why? They are little people? What are they going to do?  No  they will just gurantee ( printed money)   via secondary sources ( JP Moran, Citibank, etc all leap to Europe's aid with money they got from the fed at -0.5% interest)  ) Whole thing is stable. The numbers in the computer show black, not red. Everything is Awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StTqXEQ2l-Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StTqXEQ2l-Y)

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on September 30, 2016, 11:33:09 AM
Awesome...sure it is. 

 ::exitstageleft::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on October 02, 2016, 07:37:00 PM
You see this?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-02/some-deutsche-bank-clients-unable-access-cash-due-it-outage (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-02/some-deutsche-bank-clients-unable-access-cash-due-it-outage)

Yeah...IT outage...   ::hysterical::

And some good news...Brexit is not stalled like the Establishment would like you to think...it's going forward, baby!  Yeeaaahhhh!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/02/theresa-may-brexit-boris-johnson-david-davis-liam-fox-live/ (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/02/theresa-may-brexit-boris-johnson-david-davis-liam-fox-live/)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on October 26, 2016, 08:39:31 AM
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-25/german-ammunition-sales-skyrocket-tenfold-first-half-2016 (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-25/german-ammunition-sales-skyrocket-tenfold-first-half-2016)

Progs can cause it.

pIsslam can cause it.

In concert they can really cause it!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on November 03, 2016, 08:16:23 AM
EuroStatists must be in a good mood this morning...UK robed wonders slam on the brakes on BREXIT...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-03/uk-government-loses-article-50-lawsuit-brexit-needs-parliamentary-approval-high-cour (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-03/uk-government-loses-article-50-lawsuit-brexit-needs-parliamentary-approval-high-cour)

Back to herding cats...


Farage is po'd at this betrayal...warns of angry people...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigel-farage-fears-brexit-betrayal-9186699 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigel-farage-fears-brexit-betrayal-9186699)

Off with their heads!   ::guillotine::

Hey, they're asking for it!  Tell people their voice doesn't matter, their choice is sh*t...just don't be surprised what happens after...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on December 26, 2016, 02:32:52 PM
In another era this would be unbelievable...

"If Germany is genuinely committed to an African Marshall Plan, one that treats Africa as a genuine and equal partner; and whose ambition is not a temporary fix to a migration crisis, but an attempt to cooperatively to stimulate entrepreneurship and broad-based economic growth in Africa, then I strongly endorse Chancellor Merkel’s courageous approach to Africa’s development. It will need to contain concessions on opening markets to African goods and services."

https://kakistocracyblog.wordpress.com/2016/12/23/the-audacity-of-dopes/

What goods and services are those?   ::laughonfloor::

Sadly, there are many Eurotards that will go for this idiocy!

They might as well just kill themselves quick and get it over with...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on December 28, 2016, 08:29:25 AM
Heh, brilliant!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-27/europe-proposes-confiscating-gold-crackdown-terrorist-financing (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-27/europe-proposes-confiscating-gold-crackdown-terrorist-financing)

This is where it all started to unravel for India.

Do it...don't nibble on the trigger...pull it!!!   ::pokeineye::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on January 03, 2017, 09:20:13 AM
If France had any sense...

(https://westernrifleshooters.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/c1ghds9xeaaieoj.jpg)

...they'd leave the EU after Le Pen cleans out Paris!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on January 11, 2017, 08:46:35 AM
Not looking good for the Merkel-EU Statist faction...

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/752664/Marine-Le-Pen-leading-French-presidential-election-polls-Francois-Fillon-Emmanuel-Macron (http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/752664/Marine-Le-Pen-leading-French-presidential-election-polls-Francois-Fillon-Emmanuel-Macron)

 :D
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on February 21, 2017, 07:30:26 AM
Heh!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-21/i-will-not-cover-myself-le-pen-refuses-wear-headscarf-cancels-meeting-lebanese-cleri (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-21/i-will-not-cover-myself-le-pen-refuses-wear-headscarf-cancels-meeting-lebanese-cleri)

She is working hard to make me do a 180 and say nice things about (some) French people!   ::thumbsup::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: John Florida on February 22, 2017, 09:14:38 PM
Heh!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-21/i-will-not-cover-myself-le-pen-refuses-wear-headscarf-cancels-meeting-lebanese-cleri (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-21/i-will-not-cover-myself-le-pen-refuses-wear-headscarf-cancels-meeting-lebanese-cleri)

She is working hard to make me do a 180 and say nice things about (some) French people!   ::thumbsup::


      ::falldownshocked::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on February 24, 2017, 12:08:33 PM
Heh!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-21/i-will-not-cover-myself-le-pen-refuses-wear-headscarf-cancels-meeting-lebanese-cleri (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-21/i-will-not-cover-myself-le-pen-refuses-wear-headscarf-cancels-meeting-lebanese-cleri)

She is working hard to make me do a 180 and say nice things about (some) French people!   ::thumbsup::


      ::falldownshocked::

Fahgettabowtit!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-23/group-french-protesters-call-obama-run-president-give-french-people-hope (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-23/group-french-protesters-call-obama-run-president-give-french-people-hope)

...that didn't take long...back to "the French are dumbasses!"...

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Alphabet Soup on February 24, 2017, 07:41:27 PM
Quote
Of course, while it's a genius plan, if we understand it correctly, there is just one minor problem...the French president needs to be, well, French.

Well, he is a complete phony - isn't that close enough?!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on February 27, 2017, 06:46:35 AM
Quote
Of course, while it's a genius plan, if we understand it correctly, there is just one minor problem...the French president needs to be, well, French.

Well, he is a complete phony - isn't that close enough?!

Obviously a racist...who else could be against La Fraude?

 ::laughonfloor::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on February 27, 2017, 07:57:39 AM
The Empire tries to strike back...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-27/eu-lawmakers-urge-federal-union-european-states-or-else (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-27/eu-lawmakers-urge-federal-union-european-states-or-else)

St. Patrick's Day in Rome...tell the Eurostatists to bugger off!

Join the Anti-Statist Rebellion with Poland and Hungary! (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-26/poland-hungary-join-together-challenge-eu-bureaucracy)

 ::cool::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on February 28, 2017, 11:44:00 AM
MARINE Le Pen branded the European Union (EU) a “totalitarian institution” and pledged to free a “weakened” France from the crippling burden of EU bureaucracy.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/771652/marine-le-pen-france-election-european-union-eu-rebel-bloc (http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/771652/marine-le-pen-france-election-european-union-eu-rebel-bloc)

Oui!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on March 02, 2017, 11:48:32 AM
As close to an admission you will ever get from these Eurostatist asswipes that they are 100% in bed with the Muslim invaders intent upon establishing a Caliphate in the heart of Europe -

EU lawmakers lifted Le Pen's EU parliamentary immunity on Thursday for tweeting pictures of Islamic State violence.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-02/marine-le-pen-stripped-eu-parliament-immunity-tweeting-pictures-islamic-state-violen (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-02/marine-le-pen-stripped-eu-parliament-immunity-tweeting-pictures-islamic-state-violen)

Yup, exposing the normal behavior of the psychotic death cultists of Mohammad will get your ass targeted faster than anything else in that moronic outfit...

EU deserves everything coming its way...

 ::smallestviolin::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: John Florida on March 03, 2017, 07:17:58 PM
As close to an admission you will ever get from these Eurostatist asswipes that they are 100% in bed with the Muslim invaders intent upon establishing a Caliphate in the heart of Europe -

EU lawmakers lifted Le Pen's EU parliamentary immunity on Thursday for tweeting pictures of Islamic State violence.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-02/marine-le-pen-stripped-eu-parliament-immunity-tweeting-pictures-islamic-state-violen (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-02/marine-le-pen-stripped-eu-parliament-immunity-tweeting-pictures-islamic-state-violen)

Yup, exposing the normal behavior of the psychotic death cultists of Mohammad will get your ass targeted faster than anything else in that moronic outfit...

EU deserves everything coming its way...

 ::smallestviolin::

  She better come out swingin!!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on March 06, 2017, 07:27:58 AM
As close to an admission you will ever get from these Eurostatist asswipes that they are 100% in bed with the Muslim invaders intent upon establishing a Caliphate in the heart of Europe -

EU lawmakers lifted Le Pen's EU parliamentary immunity on Thursday for tweeting pictures of Islamic State violence.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-02/marine-le-pen-stripped-eu-parliament-immunity-tweeting-pictures-islamic-state-violen (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-02/marine-le-pen-stripped-eu-parliament-immunity-tweeting-pictures-islamic-state-violen)

Yup, exposing the normal behavior of the psychotic death cultists of Mohammad will get your ass targeted faster than anything else in that moronic outfit...

EU deserves everything coming its way...

 ::smallestviolin::

  She better come out swingin!!

Yeah, might be another too-little-too-late kinda deal though...

"The danger is not the National Front, which is only the expression of the anger of an abandoned people. The danger is the ever-closer links between leftism and Islamism.... The danger must be stopped." (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-05/frances-death-spiral)

Sacre Bleu!  Say it isn't so?!

Well...uhh...Duh?!?!?!

You idiots embraced the Devil and spat in the Good Lord's face and turned your nation into a Caliphate in the making!

And we have the very same psychotic morons here to contend with, y'all are just deeper in the sh*tter than we are right now.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on March 16, 2017, 08:00:01 AM
EuroProgs thrilled at Wilders not gaining clear majority, but his bloc did get more strength, so...the EuroTards can gloat all they want, they're clearly in the decline...

https://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2017/03/15/we-are-also-winners-wilders-admits-defeat-to-rutte-but-hopes-for-coalition-government/
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Glock32 on March 16, 2017, 10:23:53 AM
They kept extending the poll hours in Amsterdam, and had to print additional ballots.  Where have I heard of this sort of thing before?

I'm not really surprised at these results.  The mainstream conservative party won the most, and did so largely by coopting much of Wilders' platform.  I will be more interested to see what happens in France with Le Pen.  A Le Pen victory in France would be a mortal blow to the EU, so there is nothing they won't do to prevent that from happening.

I think the entire West is past the point of voting its way out of this mess anyway, so I look at these elections as basically no lose situations: if the Le Pen types win then their ideology becomes more mainstream, if they lose the State will just persist with its suicidal policies and further delegitimize itself. Win win.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on March 16, 2017, 12:20:19 PM
Yeah, I agree, France is more pivotal...and the trend is not favorable for the EuroStatists either way...another question of when not if...

And more consequential for Europe is the UK completing Brexit and seeing who else follows, and at some point I see a reinvigorated central Europe with states like Hungary & Czech Republic forming their own bloc, which they should, the western, southern and northern parts of Europe are batshyt crazy.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: ToddF on March 16, 2017, 05:08:47 PM
And that conservative government needs Wilders to form a coalition. 
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on March 17, 2017, 07:17:34 AM
Not sure their "conservatives" are any different than our "Pubbies"...but the only reason I could see them going that way is if they adopt the tactic of "keeping your enemies closer"...

In truth I think cowardice and suicidal behavior are the hallmark of the latter day conservative...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: richb on March 22, 2017, 06:22:55 PM
Not sure their "conservatives" are any different than our "Pubbies"...but the only reason I could see them going that way is if they adopt the tactic of "keeping your enemies closer"...

In truth I think cowardice and suicidal behavior are the hallmark of the latter day conservative...

Their "conservatives" are even worse then ours.     There really are no real small government types left in Europe,  and none of them hold office.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on March 23, 2017, 07:24:34 AM
Like our Pubbies though, theirs are too genteel...

There are some with fire and principles like Farage...LePen is trying...

But yeah, very few and far between.

And what the Left continues to forget and help fuel...to their own peril...is by continuing to bash, batter and eliminate traditional conservatism or any kind of real conservative revival...is that people having no other option will be pushed to extremes...they'll get a dictatorship, they could get another Reign of Terror or Rightist fascism like Franco's...and they'll have only themselves to blame...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on March 27, 2017, 07:45:25 AM
Greece says "it's full".

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-26/weve-reached-our-limits-greece-begins-blocking-refugees (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-26/weve-reached-our-limits-greece-begins-blocking-refugees)

But, you were full a long time ago...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: John Florida on March 27, 2017, 08:31:06 PM
Greece says "it's full".

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-26/weve-reached-our-limits-greece-begins-blocking-refugees (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-26/weve-reached-our-limits-greece-begins-blocking-refugees)

But, you were full a long time ago...

   The lights must be coming on.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Glock32 on March 29, 2017, 03:36:32 PM
Turkey has more or less openly said they are going to use the masses of migrants currently in Turkey as a form of demographic warfare against Europe.  So Greece is blocking them.  What happens when they have a horde walking over the border, like a herd of zombies from TWD?  The humanitarians and sentimentalists will insist that you have to "do something for them."  That something should be opening fire on them, but is that likely to actually happen?

Same deal with Italy.  Their coast guard is picking people out of the Mediterranean within sight of the Libyan coastline, and taking them all the way back to Italy rather than the nearest port.  It's ridiculous.  This is happening at a rate of thousands per day!  It's absolutely directly from the plot of Camp of the Saints. This Western thing about sympathy for the Other may well be what destroys the West.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: richb on March 29, 2017, 06:28:57 PM
"This Western thing about sympathy for the Other may well be what destroys the West."

this





The  one and only reason why Italy should be patrolling the Libyan side of the Mediterranean.    To prevent having to fish people (and corpses) out of the middle and Italian side of the Mediterranean.   That is being humanitarian,  you stop people from a dangerous and stupid crossing.   No,  you don't take them to Italy,  you bring them right back to Libya.    People will stop trying,  if they keep getting shut down.   By taking them to Italy,  more people will try,  and be even more unprepared to be at sea.    Most will figure,  I just have to get offshore,  the Italian navy will provide the ride.    They actually make it more dangerous,  as they have no ability to stop everyone.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Glock32 on March 29, 2017, 09:27:49 PM
Ironically, the Qadaffi regime in Libya was holding back the flow of Africans and they even warned this would happen.  Kind of puts Obama's Libya action in a new light.  I think you could make the case that all the destabilization of North Africa and Syria was precisely for the purpose of opening the brown floodgates onto Europe.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on March 30, 2017, 07:29:53 AM
Yes, misplaced Western sympathies are being played and will destroy them.

And screw Erdogan the Malignant!  He's a tyrant and a piss-pot!  Threatening Europe and this sh*t is in NATO, still?!  We're still in NATO?!  WTF?!?!?!

And he's getting pissy about the Kurds, eff him!  I would arm the Kurds to the teeth and support them in everything and tell them to slaughter every Turk they can find!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on March 30, 2017, 11:48:23 AM
OMG, this is hilarious!

EUROPEAN Union boss Jean-Claude Juncker this afternoon issued a jaw-dropping hilarious threat to the United States, saying he could campaign to break up the country in revenge for Donald Trump’s supportive comments about Brexit.

He said: “Brexit isn’t the end. A lot of people would like it that way, even people on another continent where the newly elected US President was happy that the Brexit was taking place and has asked other countries to do the same.

“If he goes on like that I am going to promote the independence of Ohio and Austin, Texas in the US.”

FIFY

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/785813/European-Union-EU-boss-threatens-break-up-US-retaliation-Trump-Brexit-support (http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/785813/European-Union-EU-boss-threatens-break-up-US-retaliation-Trump-Brexit-support)

Don't tease me, bro!  I triple-dog-dare you to try!   ::whoohoo::

But, I think you're threat is emptier than B Hussein's head! 
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: ToddF on March 30, 2017, 07:34:15 PM
Such delusions of grandeur by people like this, unemployable in the productive half of the world, are the reason for Brexit to begin with.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on April 06, 2017, 07:17:42 AM
Macron stumbles to Le Pen's benefit.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-04-05/macron-slips-post-debate-making-him-tied-with-le-pen-poll-shows (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-04-05/macron-slips-post-debate-making-him-tied-with-le-pen-poll-shows)

1 month to go for this round...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on April 24, 2017, 07:10:24 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4437156/Leading-candidates-cast-votes-French-election.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4437156/Leading-candidates-cast-votes-French-election.html)

One of these is not like the other.

"...independent centrist Macron..."   :o

Yeah...like J-Mac!  Establishment pro-EU clown...centrist...

 ::)

The ganging up against LePen has begun...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-23/early-polls-shows-macron-lead-le-pen-second-live-feed (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-23/early-polls-shows-macron-lead-le-pen-second-live-feed)

...unless something happens...maybe more Mohammadan mayhem, they can't control themselves anyway...but seems this is the end of the line for France...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on April 24, 2017, 11:50:15 AM
Interesting.

(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2017/04/19/1493028344_56.villages.le_.pen__0.jpg)

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-24/56-french-villages-where-marine-le-pen-didnt-get-single-vote (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-24/56-french-villages-where-marine-le-pen-didnt-get-single-vote)

I'll take "Muslim invaders for $500, Alex", shyt...the pattern is a crescent for crying out loud!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Glock32 on April 24, 2017, 08:16:04 PM
There's no way she is going to win in the 2nd round. But I guess there is a small silver lining in that the FN will become the main opposition party. They have effectively sunk the mainstream "right-ish" party.  Just as with the GOP here, before we can actually do battle with the enemy we have to deal with the lame ass mainstream party that exists solely to deflect our votes and energy away from actual power.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on April 25, 2017, 07:10:15 AM
Yeah, not sure how their counties are set up...or are they provinces...whatever...maybe succession and nullification will be tried there...sure wish it would be tried here!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on May 04, 2017, 11:48:50 AM
Heh!

Marine Le Pen Slams Macron: "France Will Be Governed By A Woman... Either Me Or Madame Merkel"

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-04/marine-le-pen-slams-macron-france-will-be-governed-woman-either-me-or-madame-merkel (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-04/marine-le-pen-slams-macron-france-will-be-governed-woman-either-me-or-madame-merkel)

Got that right!  Merkel has her hand all the way up Macron's prison-purse!

And that space has another tenant seeker -

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-04/barack-obama-officially-endorses-emmanuel-macron (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-04/barack-obama-officially-endorses-emmanuel-macron)

Hopefully that is a kiss of death!   ::laughonfloor::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: John Florida on May 04, 2017, 05:50:46 PM
  The French hate the Germans more than they hate us.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Glock32 on May 06, 2017, 02:56:10 PM
Have you heard about 4chan and Wikileaks dumping a huge amount of Macron emails?  It's pretty scandalous.  It even looks like he was using his staff to procure drugs.  He's been stashing money in the Caymans to avoid the punitive French tax structure that he would no doubt continue as president.

And it probably won't matter when they vote tomorrow.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Pandora on May 06, 2017, 05:06:35 PM
No, well, yes, but just as headlines, tl;dr.  I'm so disgusted over what's happening here, I didn't/don't want to know about any additional dysfunction anywhere else, and because, no, it probably won't matter to them when voting.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: John Florida on May 06, 2017, 08:02:06 PM
No, well, yes, but just as headlines, tl;dr.  I'm so disgusted over what's happening here, I didn't/don't want to know about any additional dysfunction anywhere else, and because, no, it probably won't matter to them when voting.


   *
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Glock32 on May 07, 2017, 02:37:41 PM
Looks like the French have voted in favor of more theater massacres and demolition derbies. Le Pen was blown out of the water. Kinda expected though.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: ToddF on May 07, 2017, 08:03:47 PM
 ::smallestviolin::  is always reserved for a culture that doesn't even have the will to live.  Funny, the French have always been batcrap crazy over trivial things like too many English words creeping into daily use but when real men are needed,  ::exitstageleft::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on May 08, 2017, 08:09:05 AM
France... 

Les visser!   ::mooning::

They've opted to continue to be Merkel's bitch and help drag the EU back 13 centuries!

The process of submitting to the Koranderthal's continues uninterrupted...

(https://westernrifleshooters.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/french-top-1024x741.jpg)

(https://westernrifleshooters.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/c_qf5gnw0aat90u.jpg)

La France est morte, laisse les mourir.

Charles Martel would not approve of his latter day countrymen...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on May 08, 2017, 12:07:43 PM
How come nobody here is wearing those pootie hats now that another female politician has lost another national election?

 ::pokeineye::

 ;D

Oh, and I call BS on this!

(https://westernrifleshooters.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/europemaphudna-1.gif)

H/T-WRSA

2067?  Pah!  Try 2037 max!!!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on May 10, 2017, 07:32:21 AM
(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6ae26ffc2370ea0d6aa03c218e939d155ab3178eda20b70bb90edfc6f1a36294.jpg)

(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b64f870ae943e1582e0d0f56f52d0fb4bebbc3ab9eb4963c45c6eb5732636c8a.jpg)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on May 12, 2017, 11:49:46 AM
(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2dccc2a9b09295b9746c4d4f091e9a1e029734985efbaf784adaf77220a86ae5.jpg)

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: richb on May 13, 2017, 04:31:35 PM
We finally get rid of our Obama,  now Canada,  South Korea and France elect their versions of his clone.   Never spared for a second.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on May 15, 2017, 12:27:39 PM
Yes...and not just in America does the Goebbels Media refer to "moderates" as "conservatives"...

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/frances-macron-picks-pm-blowing-apart-old-boundaries-130349303--business.html

...instead of the more appropriately labeled lap-dog leftists...

 ::mooning::

Not gonna matter one damn bit!  The capitulation to the rabid 7th century savage invaders will continue.

 ::)  Allez vous baiser!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on June 26, 2017, 08:18:25 AM
(https://westernrifleshooters.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/raw.jpg)

Long fall from the likes of Charles Martel...
 ::facepalm::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on July 20, 2017, 07:39:51 AM
Let ECB's Super Mario handle this...should be entertaining...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-19/bill-blain-here-southern-europes-next-tipping-point (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-19/bill-blain-here-southern-europes-next-tipping-point)

Italy = Greece Fleece 2.0?
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on July 27, 2017, 12:28:37 PM
Sweden is ripe for chaos (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-26/swedish-government-crisis-after-admitting-disastrous-accidental-leak-entire-nations-), PM refuses to go quietly (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-27/krona-sinks-after-swedish-pm-refuses-resign-reshuffles-cabinet-over-disastrous-leak) and now the EuroThugs are pushing Islaminal Rapefugees down the throats of Hungary and Poland (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-26/eu-force-poland-hungary-and-czech-republic-accept-refugees)...the latter is sacking judges and both should take this thuggery as a declaration of war!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on August 08, 2017, 07:19:43 AM
Reparations!

Heh, I like it!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-07/poland-may-demand-billions-reparations-germany-world-war-ii (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-07/poland-may-demand-billions-reparations-germany-world-war-ii)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on September 14, 2017, 07:18:14 AM
The Bat in the Belfry - Juncker:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-13/juncker-unveils-grand-vision-united-states-europe (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-13/juncker-unveils-grand-vision-united-states-europe)

Another "see if I care" moment in history...

 ::mooning::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on September 15, 2017, 07:28:44 AM
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-14/catalan-independence-vote-october-1-why-whats-stake-what-do-polls-suggest (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-14/catalan-independence-vote-october-1-why-whats-stake-what-do-polls-suggest)

Naturally my advice is consistent...get out of the EU...

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: John Florida on September 15, 2017, 01:55:53 PM
  Get out while you can.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on September 20, 2017, 11:51:47 AM
Well, they didn't even wait until after the vote...

The Empire Struck Preemptively!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-20/we-are-state-siege-spanish-police-arrest-top-catalan-officials-referendum-raids (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-20/we-are-state-siege-spanish-police-arrest-top-catalan-officials-referendum-raids)

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on September 29, 2017, 08:53:07 AM
Clock is ticking...

https://www.weaselzippers.us/358799-report-europe-to-be-majority-muslim-within-two-generations/ (https://www.weaselzippers.us/358799-report-europe-to-be-majority-muslim-within-two-generations/)

If you don't GTFO...

 ::smallestviolin::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on October 04, 2017, 07:34:15 AM
http://news.trust.org/item/20171004112122-805c3 (http://news.trust.org/item/20171004112122-805c3)

Everybody should declare Independence from assholes!!!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: ToddF on October 05, 2017, 11:24:39 AM
Yep.  Probably wouldn't have won if Spain didn't go Full Retard.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on October 12, 2017, 11:50:18 AM
Economics, Politics...Stanic Death Cult (https://www.weaselzippers.us/360285-british-police-officer-fired-for-offending-muslim-terrorists/)...Europe is way ahead in the planned mass suicide of Western culture...

 ::mooning::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on October 16, 2017, 07:17:29 AM
Things getting interesting in Austria...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/austrias-kurz-europes-youngest-leader-waiting-180917117.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/austrias-kurz-europes-youngest-leader-waiting-180917117.html)

...poor EU, brush fires everywhere...

 ::smallestviolin::

On the humorous side...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/france-plans-instant-fines-cat-calling-women-110204315.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/france-plans-instant-fines-cat-calling-women-110204315.html)

...no mention of the Islamists version - open groping and raping, they must be OK with that...glad they know their tolerance levels, eh?

Minister for Gender Equality!   ::hysterical::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: John Florida on October 16, 2017, 10:57:25 AM
Things getting interesting in Austria...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/austrias-kurz-europes-youngest-leader-waiting-180917117.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/austrias-kurz-europes-youngest-leader-waiting-180917117.html)

...poor EU, brush fires everywhere...

 ::smallestviolin::

On the humorous side...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/france-plans-instant-fines-cat-calling-women-110204315.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/france-plans-instant-fines-cat-calling-women-110204315.html)

...no mention of the Islamists version - open groping and raping, they must be OK with that...glad they know their tolerance levels, eh?

Minister for Gender Equality!   ::hysterical::

  Rakes are still OK ??
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Pandora on October 16, 2017, 11:14:59 AM
And shovels, probably. 

RaPe, not so much.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on October 16, 2017, 11:40:04 AM
Speaking shovels...EU is ripe for shoveling...

https://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2017/10/16/gov-viktor-orban-all-the-institutions-of-the-european-union-have-utterly-failed/

I hope we are quite a bit behind them...but I dunno some days...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: John Florida on October 16, 2017, 01:11:48 PM
And shovels, probably. 

RaPe, not so much.

 Thank you.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Pandora on October 16, 2017, 03:08:27 PM
 ::curtsy4::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on October 17, 2017, 11:21:43 AM
Catalanian's told to stick their referendum up their uppity little butts!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-17/spain-constitutional-court-declares-catalan-referendum-void (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-17/spain-constitutional-court-declares-catalan-referendum-void)

Yes, you little people have no vote, no independence...

If you want real independence, you're going to have to get it the old fashioned way - with violence.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on October 19, 2017, 07:15:55 AM
Article 155, Order 66...WTF difference does it make?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-19/spain-activate-article-155-process-suspending-catalonia-autonomy (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-19/spain-activate-article-155-process-suspending-catalonia-autonomy)

No armed rebellion, no independence...it's as simple as that.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Pandora on October 19, 2017, 07:57:27 AM
The Catalans have been madly importing islamics for some time now and the fear by Spain is Catalan's independence opens a much bigger gateway into Spain and Europe of the Caliphate.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on October 19, 2017, 11:09:45 AM
Ahh yes, the fevered dreams of a restored Grenadian Caliphate, eh?

Having that partitioned off then...would make sense then...I mean if you're other option is the let them have the whole...which seems to be the predominate choice of Euro's...

This end of civilization thing by the West really is a level of stupidity never before witnessed in the annals of human history...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: John Florida on October 19, 2017, 05:20:34 PM
The Catalans have been madly importing islamics for some time now and the fear by Spain is Catalan's independence opens a much bigger gateway into Spain and Europe of the Caliphate.

 When it started they didn't GAS now all of a sudden they care??   Bullsh*t!! The public face they're putting on it has nothing to do with Muslims.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on October 27, 2017, 10:42:18 AM
I guess they aren't intimidated by the bullies in Madrid or Brussels...

https://www.weaselzippers.us/361908-breaking-catalan-parliament-votes-for-independence-from-spain/ (https://www.weaselzippers.us/361908-breaking-catalan-parliament-votes-for-independence-from-spain/)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: John Florida on October 27, 2017, 05:02:36 PM
I guess they aren't intimidated by the bullies in Madrid or Brussels...

https://www.weaselzippers.us/361908-breaking-catalan-parliament-votes-for-independence-from-spain/ (https://www.weaselzippers.us/361908-breaking-catalan-parliament-votes-for-independence-from-spain/)

 Madrid is going to send in the military this isn't over till somebody ends up dead by the hundreds.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on October 30, 2017, 08:15:04 AM
I guess they aren't intimidated by the bullies in Madrid or Brussels...

https://www.weaselzippers.us/361908-breaking-catalan-parliament-votes-for-independence-from-spain/ (https://www.weaselzippers.us/361908-breaking-catalan-parliament-votes-for-independence-from-spain/)

 Madrid is going to send in the military this isn't over till somebody ends up dead by the hundreds.

Awesome, going full-frontal thug will work wonders towards triggering a wider civil war...

I'm hard-pressed to gin up much angst over that prospect...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on November 15, 2017, 07:50:56 AM
Bless Nigel...but he is barking at a hurricane!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-14/nigel-farage-calls-eu-investigate-george-soros (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-14/nigel-farage-calls-eu-investigate-george-soros)

The globalist/statist cabal is entirely in the pocket of Darth Soros.

I applaud his stance and public statements though...the foundation of fault for the truly guilty in this conspiracy must be properly laid!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on November 20, 2017, 07:33:21 AM
Biog crack in the Merkel mantle...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-19/ (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-19/)“worst-case-scenario”-looms-merkel’s-“jamaica-coalition”-collapses

...yeah, that's a shame...

 ::smallestviolin::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on November 26, 2017, 11:44:15 AM
Hardcore statist clowns never go away when asked...they'll reduce the earth to ashes instead...so I predict snap elections.  When Progs are told no they keep going until it becomes yes.  Gotta keep saying no until the nullify it openly...then it's time to throw the stinky brown stuff in the fan.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/german-far-relishes-power-merkel-struggles-012739416.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/german-far-relishes-power-merkel-struggles-012739416.html)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on December 18, 2017, 08:22:04 AM
More fighting words to EuroLords!

"Christianize", "Resist Islamization"?!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-17/polands-new-pm-wants-make-europe-christian-again (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-17/polands-new-pm-wants-make-europe-christian-again)

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-17/austria-new-government-resist-islamization (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-17/austria-new-government-resist-islamization)

Say it loud, say it proud!!!

 ::cool::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on December 18, 2017, 04:50:58 PM


Poland vs Germany at Christmas
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSwt2nRWmF_PYRCsCDsYbE6AXiOe7oVP0b08iBgzW2aJ1NSRsPUDw)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mb-wa02bOM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mb-wa02bOM)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Pandora on December 18, 2017, 04:55:29 PM
The Poles don't want to have to be 'inclusive' of their 'slims, particularly on Christian holidays, so they've eliminated the problem population.

Bully for them!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on December 18, 2017, 06:03:49 PM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRCjO_KX4AAxxS1.jpg
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRCjO_KX4AAxxS1.jpg)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on December 19, 2017, 07:52:55 AM
Merkel...that hairy-legged progeny of Stasi thugs!

 ::vafancoul::

The Poles, Czechs, Hungarians...they've had their fill of EuroTards, Muzzies and Socialists!  They are our natural ally, the rest can go screw themselves!

And that spawn of Stasi filth is threatening the Poles with Article 7 for refusing to take in the rampaging murderous scum of Mohammad!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-18/merkels-last-stand-article-7-poland (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-18/merkels-last-stand-article-7-poland)

 ::cussing::  witch!

Germany is an empty shell...tell them to go ficken themselves!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on December 19, 2017, 08:47:49 AM
On a related note...

(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2017/12/13/francemig_0.PNG)

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-18/french-mayors-panic-migrants-overwhelm-cities-publish-joint-letter-begging-macron-he (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-18/french-mayors-panic-migrants-overwhelm-cities-publish-joint-letter-begging-macron-he)

La France est baisée!

 ::mooning::

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: ToddF on December 19, 2017, 06:42:04 PM
Twas the week before Christmas and not a barrier in sight.  Come to think of it, no Muslims in sight, either.

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Pandora on December 19, 2017, 06:57:51 PM
Ok, now yer jist braggin'.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: ToddF on December 19, 2017, 07:18:56 PM
Bragging would be mentioning that it was about 65 degrees during our stroll through Christmasland.

 ::pimp::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on December 20, 2017, 07:06:15 AM
I'd say he has a duty to brag...especially about the lack of barriers and Satanic cultists!

 ::thumbsup::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on October 29, 2018, 07:29:07 AM
Cracks in Germany widen...

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-29/merkel-step-down-cdu-leader-after-disastrous-election-results (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-29/merkel-step-down-cdu-leader-after-disastrous-election-results)

...but the vile offspring of Stasi filth remains as Chancellor.

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on November 21, 2018, 08:50:02 AM
This is soooo hilarious!

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-21/historic-standoff-eu-rejects-italys-budget-paves-way-sanctions (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-21/historic-standoff-eu-rejects-italys-budget-paves-way-sanctions)

Pick on America all you want...but at least we only try to sanction our foreign enemies! 

But hey, if we can pick up on this scheme I think Trump could have a sh*tload of fun!  And, why not?!   ::whatgives::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: John Florida on November 21, 2018, 04:47:02 PM
  From what I got from the Italians is that they were better off without the EU the population is not happy.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on November 22, 2018, 11:41:51 AM
I would say that is a wise position, Brussels treats its member citizens as serfs, but there is a price to be paid for independence and not everybody will want to help share in the duty.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on November 30, 2018, 07:43:26 AM
Need an Aesop's Fable about dying regimes and the grasp of more and more control...

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-29/switzerland-creeping-eu-accession (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-29/switzerland-creeping-eu-accession)

...alas, once the Swiss capitulated on their bank secrecy more "accomodations" would follow.

 ::)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on December 07, 2018, 07:57:53 AM
Ironic that tax revolts against carbon taxes erupting in France.

But they are #1 in taxes (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-06/les-miserables-france-overtakes-denmark-worlds-most-taxed-nation), and what should be cautionary tale for others...I am sure will be ignored by fellow socialist/statist travelers when votes on tax hikes come along. 

It's not like tax rebellions have ever led to anything...

 ::laughonfloor::

Darth Macron approval is cratering (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7915541/emmanuel-macron-predicts-violence-france-weekend-approval-rating/).

 ::smallestviolin::

Yellow vests demanding more, as I predicted in the G20 thread (https://sg.news.yahoo.com/outcry-over-mass-teen-roundup-france-braces-more-090606857.html).

 :D

Talks of overthrowing the socialist/statist state (https://www.rt.com/news/445836-france-radicals-weapons-protests/) warm my heart...but like the last one in 1789...the outcome may not be desirable.  But, if it helps topple the EU beast my only concern is who has control of the nukes.

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on December 10, 2018, 09:22:18 AM
https://www.france24.com/en/20181208-live-hundreds-detained-paris-france-braces-new-anti-macron-riots (https://www.france24.com/en/20181208-live-hundreds-detained-paris-france-braces-new-anti-macron-riots)

Carbon-based units against Macron's carbon shakedown continue to roil...

 ::thumbsup::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on December 30, 2018, 03:10:16 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/world/french-yellow-vests-tried-to-storm-macrons-lavish-medieval-fortress (https://www.foxnews.com/world/french-yellow-vests-tried-to-storm-macrons-lavish-medieval-fortress)

Statists still not taking them serious...will need to step it up.  Prendre d'assaut tous les châteaux!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: John Florida on December 30, 2018, 04:01:24 PM
Last summer, some protests broke out after revelations that Macron installed a swimming pool in the building, costing around $40,000 to the taxpayers. The president justified the pool, claiming he and his wife don’t want to be pictured by the photographers on the beach, the Sun reported.

  He say that to people being crushed by taxes.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on December 31, 2018, 10:12:17 AM
Last summer, some protests broke out after revelations that Macron installed a swimming pool in the building, costing around $40,000 to the taxpayers. The president justified the pool, claiming he and his wife don’t want to be pictured by the photographers on the beach, the Sun reported.

  He say that to people being crushed by taxes.

He loves his people...that's all that matters, eh?

https://youtu.be/YU6ebNd9v-w
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on December 31, 2018, 08:23:39 PM
Last summer, some protests broke out after revelations that Macron installed a swimming pool in the building, costing around $40,000 to the taxpayers. The president justified the pool, claiming he and his wife don’t want to be pictured by the photographers on the beach, the Sun reported.

  He say that to people being crushed by taxes.

He loves his people...that's all that matters, eh?

https://youtu.be/YU6ebNd9v-w

My fav quote from that movie.
"Sir, the peasants are revolting!"
"You said it.  They stink on ice. "
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on January 01, 2019, 02:00:47 PM
Last summer, some protests broke out after revelations that Macron installed a swimming pool in the building, costing around $40,000 to the taxpayers. The president justified the pool, claiming he and his wife don’t want to be pictured by the photographers on the beach, the Sun reported.

  He say that to people being crushed by taxes.

He loves his people...that's all that matters, eh?

https://youtu.be/YU6ebNd9v-w

My fav quote from that movie.
"Sir, the peasants are revolting!"
"You said it.  They stink on ice. "

He actually said "people", Monty Python favored peasants in MPATHG -

"Ah, Now we see the violence inherit in the system!" 

"Shut up!"

"Come see the violence inherit in the system!  Help! Help! I'm being repressed!"

"Bloody peasant!"

https://youtu.be/t2c-X8HiBng

Both are great lines!

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on January 08, 2019, 08:07:00 AM
Yeah...hard to feel sorry one damn bit for Macron and his statist pals...they deserve everything coming back on 'em!

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-07/france-free-fall (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-07/france-free-fall)

Seems like ever since treating Trump poorly he has had nothing bad trouble...

Here's hoping there is more in store!   ::beertoast::

ETA - Heh, I approve.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/01/breaking-us-downgraded-status-of-eu-but-did-not-formally-announce-it/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/01/breaking-us-downgraded-status-of-eu-but-did-not-formally-announce-it/)

See what happens when you start some shyt?!

 ::mooning::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: richb on January 09, 2019, 01:41:01 PM
EU diplomats get their panties in a bunch as Trump ignores them. 


https://www.npr.org/2019/01/08/683347025/they-conveniently-forgot-to-notify-us-eu-diplomat-downgraded-in-d-c? (https://www.npr.org/2019/01/08/683347025/they-conveniently-forgot-to-notify-us-eu-diplomat-downgraded-in-d-c?)

The EU isn't even a country......
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on January 09, 2019, 02:20:56 PM
EU diplomats get their panties in a bunch as Trump ignores them. 


https://www.npr.org/2019/01/08/683347025/they-conveniently-forgot-to-notify-us-eu-diplomat-downgraded-in-d-c? (https://www.npr.org/2019/01/08/683347025/they-conveniently-forgot-to-notify-us-eu-diplomat-downgraded-in-d-c?)

The EU isn't even a country......

The NYT is searching hard someone who even cares about this in the US.

BTW I found a youtube channel that is mostly about nationalism. Short well done video clips.
Way of the World. Black Pigeon Speaks is also good.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbUJ4bSI5LGysuouybbGA7g (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbUJ4bSI5LGysuouybbGA7g)

Watch the first 2-3 minutes below and decide if you want to watch further. Very interesting. Anarcho-Tyranny
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUEOmlPM08A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUEOmlPM08A)

https://infogalactic.com/info/Samuel_T._Francis (https://infogalactic.com/info/Samuel_T._Francis)
http://www.unz.com/sfrancis/anarcho-tyranny-where-multiculturalism-leads/ (http://www.unz.com/sfrancis/anarcho-tyranny-where-multiculturalism-leads/)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: DocTrock on January 09, 2019, 04:13:14 PM
Let's all hope and pray that the EU will collapse!   Ditto NATO.   Let's pray for its demise as well.

The West has squandered any credibility it ever had on the world stage.   

Smart money is on China and Moscow for the new century.   Both nations are massively building up gold reserves for a gold-backed currency.  Neither nation is aggressive.   Both are in far better fiscal shape than the USA,  and neither has a long history of International aggressive warfare, sanctions, lies, invasions, etc.

Yes,  both nations have "human rights" issues.   But the bottom line is that things are getting BETTER in Russia and China, while things are getting WORSE in America.



Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on January 10, 2019, 07:35:03 AM
Jeez, Doc...shoulda stopped after one sentence.

 ::facepalm::

Credibility anywhere on latter day planet Earth is questionable at best.

China & Russia have their own unique financial/fiscal problems...

Russia, for being the largest nation on the planet only has the 11th ranked nominal GDP (the 72nd per capita) and its economy is dependent upon fossil fuels and raw minerals and is dominated by oligarchs, their chief positive is very low national debt.  Military adventures and stagflation have hurt them and pivoting to China is more of a choice of lack of options than anything.

China, has the 2nd ranked nominal GDP (and interestingly also is 72nd per capita, and they have 9.5 times the population!) and its economy is a patchwork of opposing forces of centralized planning and capitalist exploitation...SEZ's/SOE's...easier for totalitarian regimes to keep wages in check and get the most out of productivity and profitability...but they are ravenous energy consumers and lax on efficiency for the sake of expediency and the putrid toxic haze polluting their cities and fowling their rivers and land is epidemic.   Domestic liquidity issues and an economy that would collapse without trade (especially America) make it highly vulnerable and in no way can the Russian market pick up that kind of slack and it is yet to be seen how far that goes under Putin who is Czar in all but name.

It is also to be determined how the gold and dollar break go...and the rest of the BRICs are no bargain either and the "B" there is under new management that does not look kindly on socialists.  Anything on monetary and trade issues is not going to create winners and losers but will create a lot of losers...and some losers may lash out individually or collectively so picking a winner is a risk-free pastime to enjoy now, reality always has its say.

And no, if the future is totalitarian I'll pass no matter what the form.

Both nations are aggressive.  China is building man-made islands and seizing others in the disputed territories of the South China Sea, angering peaceful neighbors Vietnam, Philippines and Taiwan.  Their "string-of-pearls" scheme (there is a China thread here on all things China and their military, check it out) and South China Sea and Taiwan obsessions can hardly be described as benign.  Plus, since Mao made China Communist...there have been dozens of internal crackdowns, the cultural revolution and not to mention Tibet, Taiwan, Korea, Vietnam, India, Russia (Zhenbou Is.), Burma, Vietnam again and again, Pakistan and Mali.

Russia, well...to follow Russian aggression it is almost always following pipelines.  Just since the fall of the Soviet state there has been Chechnya (twice), Ukraine (Donbass and Annexation of Crimea) still on-going and Syria, also still on-going.  They have always had some schizophrenia about identifying as East or West...and can never seem to get along with the West very well or the East for very long.

Sure, America is to overstretched militarily and paying the cost to safeguard insolent ungrateful louts...but that could be remedied if house is cleaned at home, and it will be peacefully or violently...but the belief that there is a safe haven anywhere always amuses me.  If things break hard enough militarily or economically it won't matter which one happens first or where you plan to ride it out.

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: DocTrock on January 16, 2019, 01:29:02 PM
From your post above:

Jeez, Doc...shoulda stopped after one sentence.

 ::facepalm::

1.  Credibility anywhere on latter day planet Earth is questionable at best.

2.  China & Russia have their own unique financial/fiscal problems...

3.  Russia...................... Military adventures and stagflation have hurt them and pivoting to China is more of a choice of lack of options than anything.
.



4.  And no, if the future is totalitarian I'll pass no matter what the form.

5.  Both nations are aggressive. 



1.  Nonsense.  America is the nation backing out of treaties, imposing sanctions, boycotts and blockades on everyone else.   It is America and her lackey nations who lack credibility.   At least that's how the rest of the world looks at it.  (IE other than America and GB)

2.  Of course China and Russia have financial problems.   So does America!  Who is more in debt?  Which nations are getting out of debt, which are adding more?  Who taxes their people the most?    I'll answer for you:  America is the most indebted nation on earth.  America is the one adding debt at a record pace.  Russia's top tax rate is 13%......

3.  Russia's military adventures?  Are you watching CNN and Fox?  What military adventures?   Do you dare compare Russia's military "adventures" to Americas?   Seriously?  As for Stagflation....again, nonsense.  Russia is shrugging off US sanctions and still their economy is growing....slowly....but the sanctions no longer have their bite.   Their pivot to China and their plans to quickly provide an alternative to the Petrodollar is a brilliant strategy.  Once they do this----and oil is already being bought and sold using the RMB---  dollar hegemony is over and "sanctions" will be as effective as a Sopwith Camel against a modern airforce.

4.  The future?   The present is totalitarian. America is totalitarian right now and getting worse.   

5.  Are you saying that Russia and China are both aggressive?  Who has China invaded lately?  Russia?  Does either nation have anything close to the amount of foreign military bases and active wars all over the planet like America?   If you maintain China and Russia are aggressive, then what the hell do you call America's behavior?

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: John Florida on January 16, 2019, 07:41:39 PM
From your post above:

Jeez, Doc...shoulda stopped after one sentence.

 ::facepalm::

1.  Credibility anywhere on latter day planet Earth is questionable at best.

2.  China & Russia have their own unique financial/fiscal problems...

3.  Russia...................... Military adventures and stagflation have hurt them and pivoting to China is more of a choice of lack of options than anything.
.



4.  And no, if the future is totalitarian I'll pass no matter what the form.

5.  Both nations are aggressive. 



1.  Nonsense.  America is the nation backing out of treaties, imposing sanctions, boycotts and blockades on everyone else.   It is America and her lackey nations who lack credibility.   At least that's how the rest of the world looks at it.  (IE other than America and GB)

2.  Of course China and Russia have financial problems.   So does America!  Who is more in debt?  Which nations are getting out of debt, which are adding more?  Who taxes their people the most?    I'll answer for you:  America is the most indebted nation on earth.  America is the one adding debt at a record pace.  Russia's top tax rate is 13%......

3.  Russia's military adventures?  Are you watching CNN and Fox?  What military adventures?   Do you dare compare Russia's military "adventures" to Americas?   Seriously?  As for Stagflation....again, nonsense.  Russia is shrugging off US sanctions and still their economy is growing....slowly....but the sanctions no longer have their bite.   Their pivot to China and their plans to quickly provide an alternative to the Petrodollar is a brilliant strategy.  Once they do this----and oil is already being bought and sold using the RMB---  dollar hegemony is over and "sanctions" will be as effective as a Sopwith Camel against a modern airforce.

4.  The future?   The present is totalitarian. America is totalitarian right now and getting worse.   

5.  Are you saying that Russia and China are both aggressive?  Who has China invaded lately?  Russia?  Does either nation have anything close to the amount of foreign military bases and active wars all over the planet like America?   If you maintain China and Russia are aggressive, then what the hell do you call America's behavior?


 " Smart money is on China and Moscow for the new century.   Both nations are massively building up gold reserves for a gold-backed currency.  Neither nation is aggressive.   Both are in far better fiscal shape than the USA,  and neither has a long history of International aggressive warfare, sanctions, lies, invasions, etc."


  I was gonna give you time to settle in but I can't take it.


     Yup were backing out of treaties that do nothing but cost us money and abuse from the other signers. 

   Nato we pay and the rest had to be shamed into it but boy if they have a problem watch how fast the call Daddy for help and support.    Paris accords  I don't think I have to explain it do I.  would you want us to keep those monkeys on their free ride at NATO or stay in the Paris accords?


  You're right we are in debt and how!  Part of that debt is once again giving money to the planet and borrowing it to do it . Thank God we can still pay for it and expand the GDP.

   You thin Russia trusts the Chinese enough to use their money for oil?  China that changes the value of their money at will.  If and when enough Russian oil and gas is sold using Chinese currency China can wipe Russia out financially with the stroke of a pen and never fire a shot.

  Russia's military adventures?  Are you watching CNN and Fox?  What military adventures?


  I don't know maybe Georgia and the Ukraine could answer that for you and it's not over.


  China not aggressive?  Tell that to Hong Kong and Taiwan and Tibet. And maybe not sending battle ships all over but they are buying up any and everything they can all over Africa and South America and anywhere else they can get into. 

   " Smart money is on China and Moscow for the new century.   Both nations are massively building up gold reserves for a gold-backed currency.  Neither nation is aggressive.   Both are in far better fiscal shape than the USA,  and neither has a long history of International aggressive warfare, sanctions, lies, invasions, etc."



   China has no plans on going into gold backed currency that would stop them from manipulating their currency which has given them the edge in world business.  They want to open up they drop their money value.


  As for the rest are you suggesting that we withdraw from the world and keep to our borders and leave the world to whoever wants it?  This way we don't have to have wars, lie, put on sanctions or invade for any reason at all?




 

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: ToddF on January 17, 2019, 06:24:46 AM
Who's more in debt than the US?  Well, Japan right off the top of my head, in debt more than 2x their GDP, last time I read.  And they're also victims of China's aggression.  A China who's reeling thanks to the trade war.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on January 17, 2019, 07:09:31 AM
Yup.  Kinda proves the point that kabuki in all matters financial fiscal monetary and trade...and politics...is largely global...the tensions and the slack if kept in a reasonably manageable range helps maintain balance in the various imbalances and certain actions may generate some temporary advantages or merely harmonize endemic advantages in place.  The point being...when something brakes hard enough to cause the imbalances to go into a state of fully uncontrollable volatility it is not going to leave the others unscathed...if you think winning is defined as being harmed less than the other schmucks then you have probably identified the party most interested in breaking things.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: DocTrock on January 17, 2019, 10:25:51 AM



 " Smart money is on China and Moscow for the new century.   Both nations are massively building up gold reserves for a gold-backed currency.  Neither nation is aggressive.   Both are in far better fiscal shape than the USA,  and neither has a long history of International aggressive warfare, sanctions, lies, invasions, etc."


  I was gonna give you time to settle in but I can't take it.


     Yup were backing out of treaties that do nothing but cost us money and abuse from the other signers. 

   Nato we pay and the rest had to be shamed into it but boy if they have a problem watch how fast the call Daddy for help and support.    Paris accords  I don't think I have to explain it do I.  would you want us to keep those monkeys on their free ride at NATO or stay in the Paris accords?


  You're right we are in debt and how!  Part of that debt is once again giving money to the planet and borrowing it to do it . Thank God we can still pay for it and expand the GDP.

   You thin Russia trusts the Chinese enough to use their money for oil?  China that changes the value of their money at will.  If and when enough Russian oil and gas is sold using Chinese currency China can wipe Russia out financially with the stroke of a pen and never fire a shot.

  Russia's military adventures?  Are you watching CNN and Fox?  What military adventures?


  I don't know maybe Georgia and the Ukraine could answer that for you and it's not over.


  China not aggressive?  Tell that to Hong Kong and Taiwan and Tibet. And maybe not sending battle ships all over but they are buying up any and everything they can all over Africa and South America and anywhere else they can get into. 

   " Smart money is on China and Moscow for the new century.   Both nations are massively building up gold reserves for a gold-backed currency.  Neither nation is aggressive.   Both are in far better fiscal shape than the USA,  and neither has a long history of International aggressive warfare, sanctions, lies, invasions, etc."



   China has no plans on going into gold backed currency that would stop them from manipulating their currency which has given them the edge in world business.  They want to open up they drop their money value.


  As for the rest are you suggesting that we withdraw from the world and keep to our borders and leave the world to whoever wants it?  This way we don't have to have wars, lie, put on sanctions or invade for any reason at all?
 

Hi John,

There are several fallacies and false assumptions in your argument.

First off using Ukraine as an example (and your only example really) of "Russian Aggression" is not true.  Russia never invaded Ukraine.  Russia has no military presence in Ukraine, no drone strikes, nothing like that at all.    Russia was not aggressive towards Ukraine in the sense that I mean.   Sure, they want influence, maybe even "control....."

But compared to America's interventions in Ukraine, Russia doesn't even come close.    Again, Russia never invaded Ukraine.

On the other hand.....NATO.    It was promised by America to Russia that NATO would not "expand one inch to the East."   Well that was a lie.    Imagine if Russia put troops and missiles in Mexico,  put a puppet in office and tried to block America from building a pipeline?   That never happened!!!   That would be Russian Aggression.    You've got USA and Russia confused, as do many conservatives.

NATO itself is obsolete and has been for a long, long time.   

Now let's shed light on your claim that Russia and China don't trust eachother enough to do oil deals in their own currencies:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-yuan-rouble/china-establishes-yuan-ruble-payment-system-idUSKBN1CH0ML?ref=hvper.com (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-yuan-rouble/china-establishes-yuan-ruble-payment-system-idUSKBN1CH0ML?ref=hvper.com)

What matters, in this case, is that Beijing – as well as Moscow – clearly read the writing on the wall when, in 2012, Washington applied pressure on SWIFT; blocked international clearing for every Iranian bank; and froze $100 billion in Iranian assets overseas as well as Tehran’s potential to export oil. In the event that Washington might decide to slap sanctions on China, bank clearing though CIPS works as a de facto sanctions-evading mechanism.

Last March, Russia’s central bank opened its first office in Beijing. Moscow is launching its first $1 billion yuan-denominated government bond sale. Moscow has made it very clear it is committed to a long-term strategy to stop using the US dollar as their primary currency in global trade, moving alongside Beijing towards what could be dubbed a post-Bretton Woods exchange system.

Virtually all commodities must be traded in US dollars, and these petrodollars are recycled into US Treasuries. Through this mechanism, Washington has accumulated an astonishing $20 trillion in debt – and counting.

Vast populations all across MENA (Middle East-Northern Africa) also learned what happened when Iraq’s Saddam Hussein decided to sell oil in euros, or when Muammar Gaddafi planned to issue a pan-African gold dinar.

But now it’s China who’s entering the fray, following through on plans set up way back in 2012. And the name of the game is oil-futures trading priced in yuan, with the yuan fully convertible into gold on the Shanghai and Hong Kong foreign exchange markets.

Trades have already taken place! The fundamentals are clear: this triple win (oil/yuan/gold) completely bypasses the US dollar. The era of the petro-yuan is at hand.

Gold is essential in this strategy. Russia, China, India, Brazil & South Africa are all either large producers or consumers of gold – or both. Following what has been extensively discussed in their summits since the early 2010s, the BRICS countries are bound to focus on trading physical gold.

How long until Saudi Arabia decides to sell oil to its largest customer, China, with this alternative to the Petrodollar?   Iran is ready and willing to sell their oil in this manner as well.  https://www.zerohedge.com/news/very-different-take-iran-barters-food-story (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/very-different-take-iran-barters-food-story)

As for Chinese aggression.....when did they invade Hong Kong?   Taiwan?   I must have been watching Trailer Park Boys and smoking weed during those invasions.....can you provide a few links to demonstrate how the Chinese have been aggressive towards HK?    I'll capitulate on Tibet.   

As for your claims that China has no plans for a gold backed currency....just do some research.

The end of the Petrodollar is at hand.   Russia and China are both in FAR BETTER fiscal shape than the USA.

The Bush/Obama/Clinton/Trump policy is to punish and intimidate everyone into using the SWIFT system, which means the petrodollar, which means US Treasuries.    Russia, China, Iran, India and many other nations are looking for a workaround to SWIFT, which means US sanctions will be like a barking Chihuahua behind a fence......because the mechanism is already in place and deals have been done and are being done.

I can go on and on......

As you get to know me----assuming I stick around----you'll find that I make bombastic statements and BACK THEM UP WITH FACTS.

Most conservatives and liberals ignore the facts and soon get right to personal insults and the like.   I'm hoping you don't do that.

So, to summarize:

1.  When was China aggressive?
2.  When was Russia Aggressive
3.  When is the USA not aggressive?
4.  China and Russia are already trading oil in their own currencies
5.  NATO is obsolete and does nothing but drain the treasury and manufacture enemies

Let's limit further discussion to one point at at time.....

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Weisshaupt on January 17, 2019, 10:45:29 AM
I am not sure its fair to say China is in better shape than the US. Especially since the bulk of their GDP is still reliant upon trade with the US..

However it is obvious they are trying to build a secondary system, and opening their own physical gold exchange is obvious an effective  means of shunting gold their way  and avoiding the corrupt paper based market in the west.  However,  there will be no one left out when the dollar finally goes.. China and BRICS will suck-- but they will probably suck the least - which is all that will be required.  A Currency backed even 10%  by gold  is better than one that is 100%  fiat.

Russia and China will be militarily aggressive where ever it will seem prudent for them to do so. China is definitely building bases and making larger territorial claims , and sorry, but yes, Putin is very  involved in the Ukraine and Syria -  Given Obama's wars in the Middle East one could argue the US is more aggressive, but it doesn't matter.  As the United States Declines in power i think it is very rational to expect both Russia and China will become more militarily aggressive -since there is no realistic check preventing them from doing so. Power corrupts. Period.

But war is a high cost business, and there is no need to use tanks and missiles if you can simply use your currency  to force people into line. So I would expect both methods to be used, to whatever end  is seen to been cost-effective.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on January 17, 2019, 11:40:10 AM
I guess Chechnya, Ukraine, Crimea are all figments of yankee imperialist imaginations...and sticking up for peerless humanitarian and freedom-loving regimes in Syria and the Satanic Theocracy of Persia gives Russia the moral high ground in international relations?

(https://images3.imgbox.com/93/00/BAEi5PQ8_o.gif)

I suppose we can expect Russia...and their pals in Communist China...to treat American's fairly if for whatever reason America implodes and Civil War II rages...the same way America treated Russian's fairly at the fall of the Soviet Union...

After all America did not invade Russia, did not seize Russian territory, Russian assets and Russian resources...did not rape, kill or molest any of their people...

I suppose you can assure me without laughing, crossing fingers etc that Russia will treat an imploding America with as much restraint?

It is my only regret America did not exploit greater the fall of the Soviets.  America, you Sir are proof, always gets all of the blame, none of the credit...all those ungrateful nations we saved...and those ungrateful nations we restrained ourselves from exploiting...they will all come to kill, rape and steal...should America falter.

Tell me I am wrong, tell me your friends are peaceful and honorable!

Weisshaupt is correct...and in the end China will devour friend and foe alike...without America Europe is toast, Japan and Taiwan are completely f**ked...without America how long can Russia keep China at bay?  China will devour all and not blink at the cost in warfare terms...they have lots of fodder...

But again, picking a winner in such a scenario is an exercise in picking the surviving loser...have fun living in that paradise.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: DocTrock on January 17, 2019, 01:20:25 PM
I am not sure its fair to say China is in better shape than the US. Especially since the bulk of their GDP is still reliant upon trade with the US..

However it is obvious they are trying to build a secondary system, and opening their own physical gold exchange is obvious an effective  means of shunting gold their way  and avoiding the corrupt paper based market in the west.  However,  there will be no one left out when the dollar finally goes.. China and BRICS will suck-- but they will probably suck the least - which is all that will be required.  A Currency backed even 10%  by gold  is better than one that is 100%  fiat.

Russia and China will be militarily aggressive where ever it will seem prudent for them to do so. China is definitely building bases and making larger territorial claims , and sorry, but yes, Putin is very  involved in the Ukraine and Syria -  Given Obama's wars in the Middle East one could argue the US is more aggressive, but it doesn't matter.  As the United States Declines in power i think it is very rational to expect both Russia and China will become more militarily aggressive -since there is no realistic check preventing them from doing so. Power corrupts. Period.

But war is a high cost business, and there is no need to use tanks and missiles if you can simply use your currency  to force people into line. So I would expect both methods to be used, to whatever end  is seen to been cost-effective.

Assuming we both agree that the USSR and Russia under Putin are not the same thing....when did Russia invade anyone?   Please show me where the Russian military is in Ukraine.  Please explain how and when they forcibly entered Crimea, Syria or Ukraine.   You can't.

They were invited into Syria by Assad.....a very smart move on his part, because the USA was aggressively trying to overthrow the Assad regime.  Certainly they are not invading or showing aggression in Syria.

Crimea, which has always been part of Russia historically, voted in a democratic election to return to Russia.  No tanks, no drones, no missiles......and it was again clearly the will of the people to align with Russia.

Ukraine.  The USA meddled and did "regime change," overthrowing the former government and installing a pro-west dictator.  Russia never invaded Ukraine.   The USA did....

Regarding the Yuan/Ruble/Gold substitute for the Petrodollar.   It's happening as we speak and yes, both countries are AGGRESSIVELY accumulating gold in order to form an new global currency that will compete with the Petrodollar at first, and destroy it later, due to the simple fact that the currency will be backed by gold.

It's hard to predict just how aggressive China and Russia might become when the USA is no longer the global policeman.  One thing we know for sure, if history is any guide,  neither nation will be anything close to as aggressive as the USA has been in the 21st century.   Of course, history doesn't always repeat itself.   Just almost always.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: John Florida on January 17, 2019, 01:29:10 PM



 " Smart money is on China and Moscow for the new century.   Both nations are massively building up gold reserves for a gold-backed currency.  Neither nation is aggressive.   Both are in far better fiscal shape than the USA,  and neither has a long history of International aggressive warfare, sanctions, lies, invasions, etc."


  I was gonna give you time to settle in but I can't take it.


     Yup were backing out of treaties that do nothing but cost us money and abuse from the other signers. 

   Nato we pay and the rest had to be shamed into it but boy if they have a problem watch how fast the call Daddy for help and support.    Paris accords  I don't think I have to explain it do I.  would you want us to keep those monkeys on their free ride at NATO or stay in the Paris accords?


  You're right we are in debt and how!  Part of that debt is once again giving money to the planet and borrowing it to do it . Thank God we can still pay for it and expand the GDP.

   You thin Russia trusts the Chinese enough to use their money for oil?  China that changes the value of their money at will.  If and when enough Russian oil and gas is sold using Chinese currency China can wipe Russia out financially with the stroke of a pen and never fire a shot.

  Russia's military adventures?  Are you watching CNN and Fox?  What military adventures?


  I don't know maybe Georgia and the Ukraine could answer that for you and it's not over.


  China not aggressive?  Tell that to Hong Kong and Taiwan and Tibet. And maybe not sending battle ships all over but they are buying up any and everything they can all over Africa and South America and anywhere else they can get into. 

   " Smart money is on China and Moscow for the new century.   Both nations are massively building up gold reserves for a gold-backed currency.  Neither nation is aggressive.   Both are in far better fiscal shape than the USA,  and neither has a long history of International aggressive warfare, sanctions, lies, invasions, etc."



   China has no plans on going into gold backed currency that would stop them from manipulating their currency which has given them the edge in world business.  They want to open up they drop their money value.


  As for the rest are you suggesting that we withdraw from the world and keep to our borders and leave the world to whoever wants it?  This way we don't have to have wars, lie, put on sanctions or invade for any reason at all?
 

Hi John,

There are several fallacies and false assumptions in your argument.

First off using Ukraine as an example (and your only example really) of "Russian Aggression" is not true.  Russia never invaded Ukraine.  Russia has no military presence in Ukraine, no drone strikes, nothing like that at all.    Russia was not aggressive towards Ukraine in the sense that I mean.   Sure, they want influence, maybe even "control....."

But compared to America's interventions in Ukraine, Russia doesn't even come close.    Again, Russia never invaded Ukraine.

On the other hand.....NATO.    It was promised by America to Russia that NATO would not "expand one inch to the East."   Well that was a lie.    Imagine if Russia put troops and missiles in Mexico,  put a puppet in office and tried to block America from building a pipeline?   That never happened!!!   That would be Russian Aggression.    You've got USA and Russia confused, as do many conservatives.

NATO itself is obsolete and has been for a long, long time.   

Now let's shed light on your claim that Russia and China don't trust eachother enough to do oil deals in their own currencies:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-yuan-rouble/china-establishes-yuan-ruble-payment-system-idUSKBN1CH0ML?ref=hvper.com (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-yuan-rouble/china-establishes-yuan-ruble-payment-system-idUSKBN1CH0ML?ref=hvper.com)

What matters, in this case, is that Beijing – as well as Moscow – clearly read the writing on the wall when, in 2012, Washington applied pressure on SWIFT; blocked international clearing for every Iranian bank; and froze $100 billion in Iranian assets overseas as well as Tehran’s potential to export oil. In the event that Washington might decide to slap sanctions on China, bank clearing though CIPS works as a de facto sanctions-evading mechanism.

Last March, Russia’s central bank opened its first office in Beijing. Moscow is launching its first $1 billion yuan-denominated government bond sale. Moscow has made it very clear it is committed to a long-term strategy to stop using the US dollar as their primary currency in global trade, moving alongside Beijing towards what could be dubbed a post-Bretton Woods exchange system.

Virtually all commodities must be traded in US dollars, and these petrodollars are recycled into US Treasuries. Through this mechanism, Washington has accumulated an astonishing $20 trillion in debt – and counting.

Vast populations all across MENA (Middle East-Northern Africa) also learned what happened when Iraq’s Saddam Hussein decided to sell oil in euros, or when Muammar Gaddafi planned to issue a pan-African gold dinar.

But now it’s China who’s entering the fray, following through on plans set up way back in 2012. And the name of the game is oil-futures trading priced in yuan, with the yuan fully convertible into gold on the Shanghai and Hong Kong foreign exchange markets.

Trades have already taken place! The fundamentals are clear: this triple win (oil/yuan/gold) completely bypasses the US dollar. The era of the petro-yuan is at hand.

Gold is essential in this strategy. Russia, China, India, Brazil & South Africa are all either large producers or consumers of gold – or both. Following what has been extensively discussed in their summits since the early 2010s, the BRICS countries are bound to focus on trading physical gold.

How long until Saudi Arabia decides to sell oil to its largest customer, China, with this alternative to the Petrodollar?   Iran is ready and willing to sell their oil in this manner as well.  https://www.zerohedge.com/news/very-different-take-iran-barters-food-story (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/very-different-take-iran-barters-food-story)

As for Chinese aggression.....when did they invade Hong Kong?   Taiwan?   I must have been watching Trailer Park Boys and smoking weed during those invasions.....can you provide a few links to demonstrate how the Chinese have been aggressive towards HK?    I'll capitulate on Tibet.   

As for your claims that China has no plans for a gold backed currency....just do some research.

The end of the Petrodollar is at hand.   Russia and China are both in FAR BETTER fiscal shape than the USA.

The Bush/Obama/Clinton/Trump policy is to punish and intimidate everyone into using the SWIFT system, which means the petrodollar, which means US Treasuries.    Russia, China, Iran, India and many other nations are looking for a workaround to SWIFT, which means US sanctions will be like a barking Chihuahua behind a fence......because the mechanism is already in place and deals have been done and are being done.

I can go on and on......

As you get to know me----assuming I stick around----you'll find that I make bombastic statements and BACK THEM UP WITH FACTS.

Most conservatives and liberals ignore the facts and soon get right to personal insults and the like.   I'm hoping you don't do that.

So, to summarize:

1.  When was China aggressive?
2.  When was Russia Aggressive
3.  When is the USA not aggressive?
4.  China and Russia are already trading oil in their own currencies
5.  NATO is obsolete and does nothing but drain the treasury and manufacture enemies

Let's limit further discussion to one point at at time.....


  As preparations for the 2008 Olympic Games reached their final stages, so did the 1992 ceasefire agreement between Georgia and South Ossetia. A series of events which began on August 1 eventually culminated into a five-day war between Georgia, Russia, South Ossetia, and Abkhazia, which has been recognized as the first European war of the 21st century. The war ran from 7-12 August 2008 and ended after Russian President, Dmitri Mendelev, announced the cessation of his “peace enforcement” campaign in Georgia.

https://www.warhistoryonline.com/instant-articles/south-ossetia-incident.html (https://www.warhistoryonline.com/instant-articles/south-ossetia-incident.html)


Beset by unrest since a 2014 political uprising ousted former Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych, Kiev's successor government has accused Moscow of seizing the Crimean Peninsula in a disputed referendum and sponsoring an eastern insurgency. Nearly five years into the conflict, Russian Security Council Secretary Nikolai Patrushev warned Tuesday that Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko's current pro-West strategy could lead to a total dismantling of the state.

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-says-ukraine-no-longer-country-1292632 (https://www.newsweek.com/russia-says-ukraine-no-longer-country-1292632)

 n Tuesday – the day El Salvador formally switched its allegiance from Taiwan to China – the Chinese state-run Global Times published an editorial, headlined: “After El Salvador, which country will be next to abandon Taiwan?” and a cartoon with the caption: “Taiwan down to 17 ‘allies’ and counting.”

All of this neatly summarizes the triumphalist mood in (the People’s Republic of China and in some respects, such a reaction is understandable.

  http://www.atimes.com/chinas-aggression-against-taiwan-could-backfire/ (http://www.atimes.com/chinas-aggression-against-taiwan-could-backfire/)

  ok Nato can burn.  when has the USA just started a war for no reason good or bad.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: DocTrock on January 17, 2019, 02:07:29 PM



 " Smart money is on China and Moscow for the new century.   Both nations are massively building up gold reserves for a gold-backed currency.  Neither nation is aggressive.   Both are in far better fiscal shape than the USA,  and neither has a long history of International aggressive warfare, sanctions, lies, invasions, etc."


  I was gonna give you time to settle in but I can't take it.


     Yup were backing out of treaties that do nothing but cost us money and abuse from the other signers. 

   Nato we pay and the rest had to be shamed into it but boy if they have a problem watch how fast the call Daddy for help and support.    Paris accords  I don't think I have to explain it do I.  would you want us to keep those monkeys on their free ride at NATO or stay in the Paris accords?


  You're right we are in debt and how!  Part of that debt is once again giving money to the planet and borrowing it to do it . Thank God we can still pay for it and expand the GDP.

   You thin Russia trusts the Chinese enough to use their money for oil?  China that changes the value of their money at will.  If and when enough Russian oil and gas is sold using Chinese currency China can wipe Russia out financially with the stroke of a pen and never fire a shot.

  Russia's military adventures?  Are you watching CNN and Fox?  What military adventures?


  I don't know maybe Georgia and the Ukraine could answer that for you and it's not over.


  China not aggressive?  Tell that to Hong Kong and Taiwan and Tibet. And maybe not sending battle ships all over but they are buying up any and everything they can all over Africa and South America and anywhere else they can get into. 

   " Smart money is on China and Moscow for the new century.   Both nations are massively building up gold reserves for a gold-backed currency.  Neither nation is aggressive.   Both are in far better fiscal shape than the USA,  and neither has a long history of International aggressive warfare, sanctions, lies, invasions, etc."



   China has no plans on going into gold backed currency that would stop them from manipulating their currency which has given them the edge in world business.  They want to open up they drop their money value.


  As for the rest are you suggesting that we withdraw from the world and keep to our borders and leave the world to whoever wants it?  This way we don't have to have wars, lie, put on sanctions or invade for any reason at all?
 

Hi John,

There are several fallacies and false assumptions in your argument.

First off using Ukraine as an example (and your only example really) of "Russian Aggression" is not true.  Russia never invaded Ukraine.  Russia has no military presence in Ukraine, no drone strikes, nothing like that at all.    Russia was not aggressive towards Ukraine in the sense that I mean.   Sure, they want influence, maybe even "control....."

But compared to America's interventions in Ukraine, Russia doesn't even come close.    Again, Russia never invaded Ukraine.

On the other hand.....NATO.    It was promised by America to Russia that NATO would not "expand one inch to the East."   Well that was a lie.    Imagine if Russia put troops and missiles in Mexico,  put a puppet in office and tried to block America from building a pipeline?   That never happened!!!   That would be Russian Aggression.    You've got USA and Russia confused, as do many conservatives.

NATO itself is obsolete and has been for a long, long time.   

Now let's shed light on your claim that Russia and China don't trust eachother enough to do oil deals in their own currencies:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-yuan-rouble/china-establishes-yuan-ruble-payment-system-idUSKBN1CH0ML?ref=hvper.com (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-yuan-rouble/china-establishes-yuan-ruble-payment-system-idUSKBN1CH0ML?ref=hvper.com)

What matters, in this case, is that Beijing – as well as Moscow – clearly read the writing on the wall when, in 2012, Washington applied pressure on SWIFT; blocked international clearing for every Iranian bank; and froze $100 billion in Iranian assets overseas as well as Tehran’s potential to export oil. In the event that Washington might decide to slap sanctions on China, bank clearing though CIPS works as a de facto sanctions-evading mechanism.

Last March, Russia’s central bank opened its first office in Beijing. Moscow is launching its first $1 billion yuan-denominated government bond sale. Moscow has made it very clear it is committed to a long-term strategy to stop using the US dollar as their primary currency in global trade, moving alongside Beijing towards what could be dubbed a post-Bretton Woods exchange system.

Virtually all commodities must be traded in US dollars, and these petrodollars are recycled into US Treasuries. Through this mechanism, Washington has accumulated an astonishing $20 trillion in debt – and counting.

Vast populations all across MENA (Middle East-Northern Africa) also learned what happened when Iraq’s Saddam Hussein decided to sell oil in euros, or when Muammar Gaddafi planned to issue a pan-African gold dinar.

But now it’s China who’s entering the fray, following through on plans set up way back in 2012. And the name of the game is oil-futures trading priced in yuan, with the yuan fully convertible into gold on the Shanghai and Hong Kong foreign exchange markets.

Trades have already taken place! The fundamentals are clear: this triple win (oil/yuan/gold) completely bypasses the US dollar. The era of the petro-yuan is at hand.

Gold is essential in this strategy. Russia, China, India, Brazil & South Africa are all either large producers or consumers of gold – or both. Following what has been extensively discussed in their summits since the early 2010s, the BRICS countries are bound to focus on trading physical gold.

How long until Saudi Arabia decides to sell oil to its largest customer, China, with this alternative to the Petrodollar?   Iran is ready and willing to sell their oil in this manner as well.  https://www.zerohedge.com/news/very-different-take-iran-barters-food-story (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/very-different-take-iran-barters-food-story)

As for Chinese aggression.....when did they invade Hong Kong?   Taiwan?   I must have been watching Trailer Park Boys and smoking weed during those invasions.....can you provide a few links to demonstrate how the Chinese have been aggressive towards HK?    I'll capitulate on Tibet.   

As for your claims that China has no plans for a gold backed currency....just do some research.

The end of the Petrodollar is at hand.   Russia and China are both in FAR BETTER fiscal shape than the USA.

The Bush/Obama/Clinton/Trump policy is to punish and intimidate everyone into using the SWIFT system, which means the petrodollar, which means US Treasuries.    Russia, China, Iran, India and many other nations are looking for a workaround to SWIFT, which means US sanctions will be like a barking Chihuahua behind a fence......because the mechanism is already in place and deals have been done and are being done.

I can go on and on......

As you get to know me----assuming I stick around----you'll find that I make bombastic statements and BACK THEM UP WITH FACTS.

Most conservatives and liberals ignore the facts and soon get right to personal insults and the like.   I'm hoping you don't do that.

So, to summarize:

1.  When was China aggressive?
2.  When was Russia Aggressive
3.  When is the USA not aggressive?
4.  China and Russia are already trading oil in their own currencies
5.  NATO is obsolete and does nothing but drain the treasury and manufacture enemies

Let's limit further discussion to one point at at time.....


  As preparations for the 2008 Olympic Games reached their final stages, so did the 1992 ceasefire agreement between Georgia and South Ossetia. A series of events which began on August 1 eventually culminated into a five-day war between Georgia, Russia, South Ossetia, and Abkhazia, which has been recognized as the first European war of the 21st century. The war ran from 7-12 August 2008 and ended after Russian President, Dmitri Mendelev, announced the cessation of his “peace enforcement” campaign in Georgia.

https://www.warhistoryonline.com/instant-articles/south-ossetia-incident.html (https://www.warhistoryonline.com/instant-articles/south-ossetia-incident.html)


Beset by unrest since a 2014 political uprising ousted former Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych, Kiev's successor government has accused Moscow of seizing the Crimean Peninsula in a disputed referendum and sponsoring an eastern insurgency. Nearly five years into the conflict, Russian Security Council Secretary Nikolai Patrushev warned Tuesday that Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko's current pro-West strategy could lead to a total dismantling of the state.

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-says-ukraine-no-longer-country-1292632 (https://www.newsweek.com/russia-says-ukraine-no-longer-country-1292632)

 n Tuesday – the day El Salvador formally switched its allegiance from Taiwan to China – the Chinese state-run Global Times published an editorial, headlined: “After El Salvador, which country will be next to abandon Taiwan?” and a cartoon with the caption: “Taiwan down to 17 ‘allies’ and counting.”

All of this neatly summarizes the triumphalist mood in (the People’s Republic of China and in some respects, such a reaction is understandable.

  http://www.atimes.com/chinas-aggression-against-taiwan-could-backfire/ (http://www.atimes.com/chinas-aggression-against-taiwan-could-backfire/)

  ok Nato can burn.  when has the USA just started a war for no reason good or bad.

Georgia....OK.   First, the conflict was started not by Russia but by Georgia, which foolishly attacked the Russian dependency of South Ossetia. Did Georgia make this suicidal move with prior assurance of American backing? If so, Washington provoked the conflict, which would be as great a crime as the Bush administration lying us into war with Iraq.   If not, and Georgia just thought they could take  on Russia then Russia was not and is not being aggressive here.....they were in fact being defensive, having been attacked by Georgia.   

On to China's aggression in El Salvador.....are you serious?  This is your definition of military aggression?   El Salvador aligned itself with China.   They did that.  How in the world do you see this as evidence of Chinese aggression?   It seems to me to be quite the opposite.

Ukraine:  Who caused the uprising that led to the ouster of Viktor Yanukovych?  The CIA.   After that, it's no wonder the people in Crimea elected via referendum to go back to Russia.   Again, no Russian aggression here....more like cause (CIA meddling in Ukraine) and effect (Russia taking defensive steps to protect itself)

If you call this "aggression" what in the hell do you call the USA's behavior?
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Weisshaupt on January 17, 2019, 02:44:23 PM
"If you call this "aggression" what in the hell do you call the USA's behavior?"

Tu Quoque is still a fallacy.
Neither of these two nations possesses the world reserve currency (yet)  so what is the point of arguing over who is worse given one set doesn't have anywhere near the global reach and power of United States,  and no one knows how they will behave if given that sort of power.

What is clear from history is that power corrupts.  No matter how virtuous nor not these countries have been before , it would be expected that with additional power, they will act less virtuously.  Putin was and is thug.. not a stupid man by any means, but I can assure that his dealings on the world stage are not motivated by altruism or benevolence. And China has certainly been rattling sabers..   Suggesting either nation is "virtuous" or not aggressive simply doesn't fit with facts.  That they are probably to be considered less so than the US is probably a result in the disparity of power, not because of purity of motive.
 

 
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: John Florida on January 17, 2019, 02:57:55 PM



 " Smart money is on China and Moscow for the new century.   Both nations are massively building up gold reserves for a gold-backed currency.  Neither nation is aggressive.   Both are in far better fiscal shape than the USA,  and neither has a long history of International aggressive warfare, sanctions, lies, invasions, etc."


  I was gonna give you time to settle in but I can't take it.


     Yup were backing out of treaties that do nothing but cost us money and abuse from the other signers. 

   Nato we pay and the rest had to be shamed into it but boy if they have a problem watch how fast the call Daddy for help and support.    Paris accords  I don't think I have to explain it do I.  would you want us to keep those monkeys on their free ride at NATO or stay in the Paris accords?


  You're right we are in debt and how!  Part of that debt is once again giving money to the planet and borrowing it to do it . Thank God we can still pay for it and expand the GDP.

   You thin Russia trusts the Chinese enough to use their money for oil?  China that changes the value of their money at will.  If and when enough Russian oil and gas is sold using Chinese currency China can wipe Russia out financially with the stroke of a pen and never fire a shot.

  Russia's military adventures?  Are you watching CNN and Fox?  What military adventures?


  I don't know maybe Georgia and the Ukraine could answer that for you and it's not over.


  China not aggressive?  Tell that to Hong Kong and Taiwan and Tibet. And maybe not sending battle ships all over but they are buying up any and everything they can all over Africa and South America and anywhere else they can get into. 

   " Smart money is on China and Moscow for the new century.   Both nations are massively building up gold reserves for a gold-backed currency.  Neither nation is aggressive.   Both are in far better fiscal shape than the USA,  and neither has a long history of International aggressive warfare, sanctions, lies, invasions, etc."



   China has no plans on going into gold backed currency that would stop them from manipulating their currency which has given them the edge in world business.  They want to open up they drop their money value.


  As for the rest are you suggesting that we withdraw from the world and keep to our borders and leave the world to whoever wants it?  This way we don't have to have wars, lie, put on sanctions or invade for any reason at all?
 

Hi John,

There are several fallacies and false assumptions in your argument.

First off using Ukraine as an example (and your only example really) of "Russian Aggression" is not true.  Russia never invaded Ukraine.  Russia has no military presence in Ukraine, no drone strikes, nothing like that at all.    Russia was not aggressive towards Ukraine in the sense that I mean.   Sure, they want influence, maybe even "control....."

But compared to America's interventions in Ukraine, Russia doesn't even come close.    Again, Russia never invaded Ukraine.

On the other hand.....NATO.    It was promised by America to Russia that NATO would not "expand one inch to the East."   Well that was a lie.    Imagine if Russia put troops and missiles in Mexico,  put a puppet in office and tried to block America from building a pipeline?   That never happened!!!   That would be Russian Aggression.    You've got USA and Russia confused, as do many conservatives.

NATO itself is obsolete and has been for a long, long time.   

Now let's shed light on your claim that Russia and China don't trust eachother enough to do oil deals in their own currencies:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-yuan-rouble/china-establishes-yuan-ruble-payment-system-idUSKBN1CH0ML?ref=hvper.com (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-yuan-rouble/china-establishes-yuan-ruble-payment-system-idUSKBN1CH0ML?ref=hvper.com)

What matters, in this case, is that Beijing – as well as Moscow – clearly read the writing on the wall when, in 2012, Washington applied pressure on SWIFT; blocked international clearing for every Iranian bank; and froze $100 billion in Iranian assets overseas as well as Tehran’s potential to export oil. In the event that Washington might decide to slap sanctions on China, bank clearing though CIPS works as a de facto sanctions-evading mechanism.

Last March, Russia’s central bank opened its first office in Beijing. Moscow is launching its first $1 billion yuan-denominated government bond sale. Moscow has made it very clear it is committed to a long-term strategy to stop using the US dollar as their primary currency in global trade, moving alongside Beijing towards what could be dubbed a post-Bretton Woods exchange system.

Virtually all commodities must be traded in US dollars, and these petrodollars are recycled into US Treasuries. Through this mechanism, Washington has accumulated an astonishing $20 trillion in debt – and counting.

Vast populations all across MENA (Middle East-Northern Africa) also learned what happened when Iraq’s Saddam Hussein decided to sell oil in euros, or when Muammar Gaddafi planned to issue a pan-African gold dinar.

But now it’s China who’s entering the fray, following through on plans set up way back in 2012. And the name of the game is oil-futures trading priced in yuan, with the yuan fully convertible into gold on the Shanghai and Hong Kong foreign exchange markets.

Trades have already taken place! The fundamentals are clear: this triple win (oil/yuan/gold) completely bypasses the US dollar. The era of the petro-yuan is at hand.

Gold is essential in this strategy. Russia, China, India, Brazil & South Africa are all either large producers or consumers of gold – or both. Following what has been extensively discussed in their summits since the early 2010s, the BRICS countries are bound to focus on trading physical gold.

How long until Saudi Arabia decides to sell oil to its largest customer, China, with this alternative to the Petrodollar?   Iran is ready and willing to sell their oil in this manner as well.  https://www.zerohedge.com/news/very-different-take-iran-barters-food-story (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/very-different-take-iran-barters-food-story)

As for Chinese aggression.....when did they invade Hong Kong?   Taiwan?   I must have been watching Trailer Park Boys and smoking weed during those invasions.....can you provide a few links to demonstrate how the Chinese have been aggressive towards HK?    I'll capitulate on Tibet.   

As for your claims that China has no plans for a gold backed currency....just do some research.

The end of the Petrodollar is at hand.   Russia and China are both in FAR BETTER fiscal shape than the USA.

The Bush/Obama/Clinton/Trump policy is to punish and intimidate everyone into using the SWIFT system, which means the petrodollar, which means US Treasuries.    Russia, China, Iran, India and many other nations are looking for a workaround to SWIFT, which means US sanctions will be like a barking Chihuahua behind a fence......because the mechanism is already in place and deals have been done and are being done.

I can go on and on......

As you get to know me----assuming I stick around----you'll find that I make bombastic statements and BACK THEM UP WITH FACTS.

Most conservatives and liberals ignore the facts and soon get right to personal insults and the like.   I'm hoping you don't do that.

So, to summarize:

1.  When was China aggressive?
2.  When was Russia Aggressive
3.  When is the USA not aggressive?
4.  China and Russia are already trading oil in their own currencies
5.  NATO is obsolete and does nothing but drain the treasury and manufacture enemies

Let's limit further discussion to one point at at time.....


  As preparations for the 2008 Olympic Games reached their final stages, so did the 1992 ceasefire agreement between Georgia and South Ossetia. A series of events which began on August 1 eventually culminated into a five-day war between Georgia, Russia, South Ossetia, and Abkhazia, which has been recognized as the first European war of the 21st century. The war ran from 7-12 August 2008 and ended after Russian President, Dmitri Mendelev, announced the cessation of his “peace enforcement” campaign in Georgia.

https://www.warhistoryonline.com/instant-articles/south-ossetia-incident.html (https://www.warhistoryonline.com/instant-articles/south-ossetia-incident.html)


Beset by unrest since a 2014 political uprising ousted former Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych, Kiev's successor government has accused Moscow of seizing the Crimean Peninsula in a disputed referendum and sponsoring an eastern insurgency. Nearly five years into the conflict, Russian Security Council Secretary Nikolai Patrushev warned Tuesday that Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko's current pro-West strategy could lead to a total dismantling of the state.

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-says-ukraine-no-longer-country-1292632 (https://www.newsweek.com/russia-says-ukraine-no-longer-country-1292632)

 n Tuesday – the day El Salvador formally switched its allegiance from Taiwan to China – the Chinese state-run Global Times published an editorial, headlined: “After El Salvador, which country will be next to abandon Taiwan?” and a cartoon with the caption: “Taiwan down to 17 ‘allies’ and counting.”

All of this neatly summarizes the triumphalist mood in (the People’s Republic of China and in some respects, such a reaction is understandable.

  http://www.atimes.com/chinas-aggression-against-taiwan-could-backfire/ (http://www.atimes.com/chinas-aggression-against-taiwan-could-backfire/)

  ok Nato can burn.  when has the USA just started a war for no reason good or bad.

Georgia....OK.   First, the conflict was started not by Russia but by Georgia, which foolishly attacked the Russian dependency of South Ossetia. Did Georgia make this suicidal move with prior assurance of American backing? If so, Washington provoked the conflict, which would be as great a crime as the Bush administration lying us into war with Iraq.   If not, and Georgia just thought they could take  on Russia then Russia was not and is not being aggressive here.....they were in fact being defensive, having been attacked by Georgia.   

On to China's aggression in El Salvador.....are you serious?  This is your definition of military aggression?   El Salvador aligned itself with China.   They did that.  How in the world do you see this as evidence of Chinese aggression?   It seems to me to be quite the opposite.

Ukraine:  Who caused the uprising that led to the ouster of Viktor Yanukovych?  The CIA.   After that, it's no wonder the people in Crimea elected via referendum to go back to Russia.   Again, no Russian aggression here....more like cause (CIA meddling in Ukraine) and effect (Russia taking defensive steps to protect itself)

If you call this "aggression" what in the hell do you call the USA's behavior?

  Please be kind enough to click the link.
http://www.atimes.com/chinas-aggression-against-taiwan-could-backfire/ (http://www.atimes.com/chinas-aggression-against-taiwan-could-backfire/)
  Crimea was part of Ukraine they don't just decide that they are not and not to mention the Russian tanks and artilary at the border making sure the have the upper hand.

  But so far as far as you are concerned the US hasn't done one right thing but Russia and China are up for saint hood.  And no I don't agree with everything we've done.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: DocTrock on January 17, 2019, 03:35:49 PM
"If you call this "aggression" what in the hell do you call the USA's behavior?"

Tu Quoque is still a fallacy.
Neither of these two nations possesses the world reserve currency (yet)  so what is the point of arguing over who is worse given one set doesn't have anywhere near the global reach and power of United States,  and no one knows how they will behave if given that sort of power.

What is clear from history is that power corrupts.  No matter how virtuous nor not these countries have been before , it would be expected that with additional power, they will act less virtuously.  Putin was and is thug.. not a stupid man by any means, but I can assure that his dealings on the world stage are not motivated by altruism or benevolence. And China has certainly been rattling sabers..   Suggesting either nation is "virtuous" or not aggressive simply doesn't fit with facts.  That they are probably to be considered less so than the US is probably a result in the disparity of power, not because of purity of motive.

There is no metric that can show China or Russia to be aggressive.   Postulating about how either nation might act if they possessed more power is not the same as a proven track record of aggression.

Also, I'm not suggesting that China or Russia is "virtuous."  Rather, I'm stating that the USA is by far the most aggressive nation and the most indebted nation.   Furthermore, I'm saying that the trend clearly favors China and Russia this century.  Both have far less debt than America,  both are working on a gold-backed alternative to the dollar and neither are wasting their wealth on foreign aggressive warfare all over the globe.  Both feature a growing middle class, improved economies (despite US sanctions) far lower tax rates and much sounder fiscal practices than the USA.   

These facts prove my point.

Nothing I've said isn't 100% factual.   It is also factual that what I'm saying does not fit into the right/left/liberal/conservative political framework.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: DocTrock on January 17, 2019, 03:44:18 PM

  Please be kind enough to click the link.
http://www.atimes.com/chinas-aggression-against-taiwan-could-backfire/ (http://www.atimes.com/chinas-aggression-against-taiwan-could-backfire/)
  Crimea was part of Ukraine they don't just decide that they are not and not to mention the Russian tanks and artilary at the border making sure the have the upper hand.

  But so far as far as you are concerned the US hasn't done one right thing but Russia and China are up for saint hood.  And no I don't agree with everything we've done.

I read all your links.  Thanks for providing them.

Crimea was indeed part of Ukraine.....until the people of Crimea via the democratic process decided to become part of Russia again, as they historically were.   They speak Russian in Crimea.   Always have.   That's not aggressive behavior by Russia.

As for tanks on the border.....it's when they cross the border that aggression occurs.   The USA has tanks near the Mexican border.  Does this mean the USA has invaded Mexico?   If you say "no" than your notion that Russia has been aggressive in Crimea and Ukraine is exposed as baseless.   If you say "yes, this is aggressive behavior, having one's own tanks on one's own soil, near a border" then again......what the hell do you call America's behavior?

Neither Russia or China has invaded anyone.  Neither country has anything close to the number of foreign military bases that the USA has.  Neither spend as much on their military either....mainly because they don't use it for everything from fighting Ebola to supporting ISIS and invading everywhere.

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on January 17, 2019, 03:46:40 PM
I always tried to look at both sides of an issue but it takes time which I don't always have.
I was always considered a right wing pro American pro military guy, by myself and others and any quiz I took on line.

In the past maybe 10 years I have reached shocking conclusions. I agree with Doc on everything or almost everything. When I realized what we did in Libya I felt almost sick. The fake gas attacks in Syria almost as bad. Ukraine also. The high international finance stuff I do not understand. I choose not to dig into Yemen or Serbia. I do not have time.

IF people have any interest in exploring the other side of some issues, here are some links.
Like Doc said, one issue at a time is better.

Youtube stuff below.
The Duran and RT  Cross Talk.  The Sunday show from The Duran is LONG.
Black Pigeon Speaks and  Way of the World.
ADVChina, SerpentZA, and Laowhy86 have video blogs from China going way back. Recently they have become more negative. Lots of videos from cities, the countryside, etc. They stayed away from political subjects until recently. Almost like travel videos.

UK report on Libya. Details in the report.
https://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/foreign-affairs-committee/news-parliament-2015/libya-report-published-16-17/ (https://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/foreign-affairs-committee/news-parliament-2015/libya-report-published-16-17/)

A book on China I liked. A little dated. China is confusing.
The Party: The Secret World of China’s Communist Rulers Paperback – July 31, 2012
by Richard McGregor  (Author)




From another article on line below. The NAZI item takes explaining and is kinda true.
Other sources of news are suggested for Russia and others.
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/01/theres_more_to_russia_than_meets_the_eye.html (https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/01/theres_more_to_russia_than_meets_the_eye.html)
January 15, 2019
There's More to Russia than Meets the Eye
By James V. DeLong
While I have only a concerned citizen's knowledge of foreign affairs, I am baffled by the hysterical Russophobia of the MSM and the Democratic Party since the 2016 election.
...


https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2019/01/08/back-to-ussr-how-to-read-western-news.html (https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2019/01/08/back-to-ussr-how-to-read-western-news.html)
PATRICK ARMSTRONG | 08.01.2019 | WORLD / AMERICAS, EUROPE   | FEATURED STORY
Back to the USSR: How to Read Western News
...
But time moves on and while thirty years ago 50 corporations controlled 90% of the US news media, today it's a not very diverse six. As a result, on many subjects there is a monoview: has any Western news outlet reported, say, these ten true statements?

People in Crimea are pretty happy to be in Russia.
The US and its minions have given an enormous amount of weapons to jihadists.
Elections in Russia reflect popular opinion polling.
There really are a frightening number of well-armed nazis in Ukraine.
Assad is pretty popular in Syria.
The US and its minions smashed Raqqa to bits.
The official Skripal story makes very little sense.
Ukraine is much worse off, by any measurement, now than before Maidan.
Russia actually had several thousand troops in Crimea before Maidan.
There's a documentary that exposes Browder that he keeps people from seeing.

Here are some youtube links
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUEOmlPM08A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUEOmlPM08A)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A37k6HwGwmc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A37k6HwGwmc)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uILsh5CaD2g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uILsh5CaD2g)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJV6kwkV0tc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJV6kwkV0tc)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Weisshaupt on January 17, 2019, 04:14:03 PM

There is no metric that can show China or Russia to be aggressive.   Postulating about how either nation might act if they possessed more power is not the same as a proven track record of aggression.

This is a bit like asserting that because few poor people had the opportunity to go to college, then none of them would have gone if given the opportunity to do so..
.
Declaring international waters to be your own personal jurisdiction against international law  is aggressive.  Backing a revolution in the Ukraine is aggressive.
Perhaps not as aggressive as what America has done ( tu quoque again)  but that means its a difference of degree- both have a "track record of aggression" just not a track record as egregious as that of US.  ..

I don't see any track record that demonstrates a difference of intent or an unwillingness to be aggressive - so there is no reason to assume given more opportunity to be so, that more egregious aggression will not follow.

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: DocTrock on January 17, 2019, 04:19:49 PM

There is no metric that can show China or Russia to be aggressive.   Postulating about how either nation might act if they possessed more power is not the same as a proven track record of aggression.

This is a bit like asserting that because few poor people had the opportunity to go to college, then none of them would have gone if given the opportunity to do so..
.
Declaring international waters to be your own personal jurisdiction against international law  is aggressive.  Backing a revolution in the Ukraine is aggressive.
Perhaps not as aggressive as what America has done ( tu quoque again)  but that means its a difference of degree- both have a "track record of aggression" just not a track record as egregious as that of US.  ..

I don't see any track record that demonstrates a difference of intent or an unwillingness to be aggressive - so there is no reason to assume given more opportunity to be so, that more egregious aggression will not follow.

Huh?  The USA fomented and "backed" the revolution in Ukraine.  Not Russia.

America has declared the entire planet to be "in our national interest."   This means that Georgia attacking S. Ossetia---both are within the Russian sphere of influence, not America's----is America's business.   Assad using his own troops in his own country is aggression against the USA.....

Pretty much everything anyone does anywhere in the world without explicit permission from the US is seen as an attack on America amongst the liberal/conservative. crowd.

I don't understand the point you're trying to make.  You're certainly not rebutting mine.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: DocTrock on January 17, 2019, 04:39:05 PM


People in Crimea are pretty happy to be in Russia.
The US and its minions have given an enormous amount of weapons to jihadists.
Elections in Russia reflect popular opinion polling.
There really are a frightening number of well-armed nazis in Ukraine.
Assad is pretty popular in Syria.
The US and its minions smashed Raqqa to bits.
The official Skripal story makes very little sense.
Ukraine is much worse off, by any measurement, now than before Maidan.
Russia actually had several thousand troops in Crimea before Maidan.
There's a documentary that exposes Browder that he keeps people from seeing.


Crimea has always been Russian, until recent times when it was part of Ukraine temporarily.  They are indeed happy to be back in Russia!  That's why they overwhelmingly voted in that way.

Indeed, the US armed, trained, advised and fought alongside ISIS.  America and Americans are responsible for slaughtering the oldest Christian communities in the world....which were protected and supported by Assad and which he will protect and support again, now that he has fought off the invading, US-backed forces that have vainly tried to topple his legitimate government.

The "gas attacks" in Syria were false flag operations.   No question about that.

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A few posts up John from Florida said that "there is no way russia and China will cooperate with their currencies."  paraphrased.   I've proven that wrong.

He also said Russia was aggressive in Georgia, which I also proved wrong. 

As for China being aggressive because El Salvador decided to align with PRC and not Taipei.....this is not aggression at all.   It's an example of diplomacy.

America is a false-front operation: 
You claim to be peaceful....yet you are perpetually at war.   
You claim to be powerful, yet you cannot win a war, no matter who the enemy is.   
You claim to stand for human rights/women's rights and yet you closely ally yourself to Saudi Arabia for 30 pieces of oily silver.
You claim that your "democracy" is the envy of the world....but you must use bullets, missiles, drones and sanctions against everyone who disagrees or won't bow to US pressure.
You claim to stand for free and fair, democratic elections....but if those elections have outcomes that don't match liberal/conservative agendas,  you undermine the will of the people and foment 'regime change' via the CIA.   You did this in Ukraine, Libya, and right here with Trump.   
You claim to have the "moral high ground" and yet the nation is a taxpayor funded abortion mill.

I remember arguing about the Afghan and Iraq wars back in 2008.  I made the statement back then that "America will always be at war, because the neoconservative foreign policy demands it."   I was laughed at by liberal/conservatives back then.....and here we are!  Still at war.  No end in sight.

At what point does a rational person say ENOUGH!  At what point does common sense and facts prevail over propaganda?   

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Back to the EU.  Let's pray it topples and NATO with it.   The future of the human race depends on it. 

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Weisshaupt on January 17, 2019, 05:05:43 PM


Committing armed forces to any internal dispute in a foreign land - on the side of the rebelsor on the side of the (then) government would be considered aggressive to the opposing side would it not? Simply because you sympathize with one side or the other doesn't make it a non-aggressive act.

But you seem determined to characterize Russia and China as non-aggressive up till now.  Have at it. As with stocks,  Past performance is not an indication of  future results.  I have complete confidence that the combination of  power and human nature will have the same result as it always has.

Pretty much everything anyone does anywhere in the world without explicit permission from the US is seen as an attack on America amongst the liberal/conservative. crowd.

Yes sure,  because the US has become the defacto world "policeman" - and much US treasure and debt is spent on filling  that role, however poorly...
but if  you think Russia and China will shoulder that task when the US is gone with benevolence and good will, I think you are wrong.

As far as rebuttal - you could start by explaining why Russians backing an internal force withing a country isn't aggression- but the US doing the same is, or china building military bases in international waters isn't aggression, but the proliferation of overseas US military bases is.  OR is aggression simply defined as "anything the United States does"  and "non-aggression" as anything other countries do?

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: DocTrock on January 17, 2019, 05:32:14 PM


Committing armed forces to any internal dispute in a foreign land - on the side of the rebelsor on the side of the (then) government would be considered aggressive to the opposing side would it not? Simply because you sympathize with one side or the other doesn't make it a non-aggressive act.

But you seem determined to characterize Russia and China as non-aggressive up till now.  Have at it. As with stocks,  Past performance is not an indication of  future results.  I have complete confidence that the combination of  power and human nature will have the same result as it always has.

Pretty much everything anyone does anywhere in the world without explicit permission from the US is seen as an attack on America amongst the liberal/conservative. crowd.

Yes sure,  because the US has become the defacto world "policeman" - and much US treasure and debt is spent on filling  that role, however poorly...
but if  you think Russia and China will shoulder that task when the US is gone with benevolence and good will, I think you are wrong.

As far as rebuttal - you could start by explaining why Russians backing an internal force withing a country isn't aggression- but the US doing the same is, or china building military bases in international waters isn't aggression, but the proliferation of overseas US military bases is.  OR is aggression simply defined as "anything the United States does"  and "non-aggression" as anything other countries do?

I think we need to define aggression:

When it comes to individuals,  if you attempt to harm my life, liberty or property and you make the first move.....you are the aggressor.   Period.  Self defense is not aggression, rather it is the antidote to aggression.

When it comes to nations,  if any nation attempts to harm the lives, liberty or property of another nation and they make the first move.....that nation is the aggressor.  Period.  Self defense is NOT aggression.   Invasions in order to accomplish "regime change" is quintessential aggression.

The problem we have now is that our words have no permanent meaning anymore.   Iraq was never a threat to America's soil, economy or Americans living in America.  They never had the ability to harm the US on US soil.   Therefore,  the ongoing Iraq war was started by US aggression.  Ditto all the others until we go back to WWII.

Now, let's talk about persuasion.   China persuaded El Salvador to change "allegiance" from Taipei to Beijing.   This is persuasion, not aggression.  Diplomacy and statesmanship should be persuasive and defensive....never aggressive.    Russia persuaded Crimea to come back into the fold.  They did not bomb them in order to win their hearts and minds.....the people voted overwhelmingly to come home.   Again, this is not aggression.

Now, let's look at NATO's expansion Eastward.  An explicit promise made that no such thing would occur....and yet as soon as liberals/conservatives  (LC's from now on) sensed weakness they broke the promise, expanded and then placed missiles on Russia's border!   

I suppose we could claim Russia was aggressive by placing their border so close to NATO military equipment, but it seems more in keeping with rational thought to recognize that the USA/NATO aggression towards Russia has put them on the defensive.  Every time they move to defend themselves,  the presstitute media ( and people here who don't follow events closely) call it "Russian Aggression!"   Nonsense.

The attempt to label Russia's actions with regard to Georgia's aggressive invasion of S. Ossetia is a great example of this.   Historical ignorance, coupled with pressitutes pumping out propaganda causes folks who subscribe to LC doctrine to call Russia's actions aggressive, when in fact they are defensive.

Now, regarding being the world-cop.....there is no indication that either Russia or China would like to take on such a foolish role.  On the other hand, America has not only taken on this role, they see it as their divine right and can't imagine the world working without the US dictating what everyone else can and can't do.

In a violent conflict, there is always someone who aggressed and someone who defended themselves.   Sure, they can switch roles if the conflict carries on long enough.  But the point is the USA is the aggressor all over the globe, while Russia, China, Iran, Syria, Libya and other nations are not.


Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Weisshaupt on January 17, 2019, 06:14:38 PM
And when one people want to be free of their government and want self determination,  and their government doesn't wish it?
A foreign nation that allies against the people, is the aggressor.
A foreign nation that allies against the government is the aggressor.

Groups of people ( being the general populace, or those in the government)  can claim "self defense" in either case and simultaneously and both be right from their own perspectives. You will have to explain why one perspective is "wrong"

All you seem to have done is define Aggression in terms of self defense, while leaving the term self-defense vague and subject to your own preferences.

  In both cases FORCE is being threatened and applied to achieve an end.  All you are proving is that you want to define aggression based only on your own perspective and whose side you are sympathetic with in any given situation. I don't see a general principle  that determines what can legitimately be called "self defense"  at work here.. other than your own prejudices.

As far as China and Russia not engaging as World's Policemen.. they may not.. and you think that is likely to lead to a more peaceful world, when any strongman with power anywhere in the world perceives no threat from larger powers? And when the people rebel against such a strong man? Are they acting in self defense?  What if Russia/China benefit from that strong man being in power? By backing him , are they acting in "self-defense" - if they wish to remove that strong man because he is not of benefit to them, are they acting in self defense of the people?

Self defense can only have meaning in terms of individual inalienable rights, and neither China nor Russia has a stellar track record in recognizing those.

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: DocTrock on January 17, 2019, 07:03:58 PM
And when one people want to be free of their government and want self determination,  and their government doesn't wish it?


All you seem to have done is define Aggression in terms of self defense, while leaving the term self-defense vague and subject to your own preferences.



Self defense can only have meaning in terms of individual inalienable rights, and neither China nor Russia has a stellar track record in recognizing those.

If the government is taking life, liberty or property from its people without due process of law, then the government is the aggressor and the people have a right to defend themselves.   That's easy to understand.  Such an understanding used to be a foundational principle in your country.

As for me leaving the term "self defense" vague  I must disagree.  I've defined aggression clearly.   Self defense comprises an action taken to repel aggression and recover stolen life, liberty and property.  Easy.  How can you possibly not understand this?

As for this sentence:  ""Self defense can only have meaning in terms of individual inalienable rights, and neither China nor Russia has a stellar track record in recognizing those.""  I am in 100% agreement with you here.   
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: John Florida on January 17, 2019, 07:16:56 PM

  Please be kind enough to click the link.
http://www.atimes.com/chinas-aggression-against-taiwan-could-backfire/ (http://www.atimes.com/chinas-aggression-against-taiwan-could-backfire/)
  Crimea was part of Ukraine they don't just decide that they are not and not to mention the Russian tanks and artilary at the border making sure the have the upper hand.

  But so far as far as you are concerned the US hasn't done one right thing but Russia and China are up for saint hood.  And no I don't agree with everything we've done.

I read all your links.  Thanks for providing them.

Crimea was indeed part of Ukraine.....until the people of Crimea via the democratic process decided to become part of Russia again, as they historically were.   They speak Russian in Crimea.   Always have.   That's not aggressive behavior by Russia.

As for tanks on the border.....it's when they cross the border that aggression occurs.   The USA has tanks near the Mexican border.  Does this mean the USA has invaded Mexico?   If you say "no" than your notion that Russia has been aggressive in Crimea and Ukraine is exposed as baseless.   If you say "yes, this is aggressive behavior, having one's own tanks on one's own soil, near a border" then again......what the hell do you call America's behavior?

Neither Russia or China has invaded anyone.  Neither country has anything close to the number of foreign military bases that the USA has.  Neither spend as much on their military either....mainly because they don't use it for everything from fighting Ebola to supporting ISIS and invading everywhere.


  So now what get rid of the military?  Cab you tell me anything that the military has done right?
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on January 17, 2019, 07:35:45 PM

  Please be kind enough to click the link.
http://www.atimes.com/chinas-aggression-against-taiwan-could-backfire/ (http://www.atimes.com/chinas-aggression-against-taiwan-could-backfire/)
  Crimea was part of Ukraine they don't just decide that they are not and not to mention the Russian tanks and artilary at the border making sure the have the upper hand.

  But so far as far as you are concerned the US hasn't done one right thing but Russia and China are up for saint hood.  And no I don't agree with everything we've done.

I read all your links.  Thanks for providing them.

Crimea was indeed part of Ukraine.....until the people of Crimea via the democratic process decided to become part of Russia again, as they historically were.   They speak Russian in Crimea.   Always have.   That's not aggressive behavior by Russia.

As for tanks on the border.....it's when they cross the border that aggression occurs.   The USA has tanks near the Mexican border.  Does this mean the USA has invaded Mexico?   If you say "no" than your notion that Russia has been aggressive in Crimea and Ukraine is exposed as baseless.   If you say "yes, this is aggressive behavior, having one's own tanks on one's own soil, near a border" then again......what the hell do you call America's behavior?

Neither Russia or China has invaded anyone.  Neither country has anything close to the number of foreign military bases that the USA has.  Neither spend as much on their military either....mainly because they don't use it for everything from fighting Ebola to supporting ISIS and invading everywhere.


  So now what get rid of the military?  Cab you tell me anything that the military has done right?
The US military does not get to pick where they go. The politicians do that. Even then the military is bound by rules of engagement decided by politicians. IMO the military does a lot of things right or as best they can.  Their job is to break things and kill people.

It would be nice if the navy would stop colliding with commerical ships but even that may be partly determined by political girl friendly directives from politicians.

When NATO moved East after the USSR fell apart I saw that as agression.

I think China may come up with their own version of the Monroe Doctrine and that will suck.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: DocTrock on January 17, 2019, 08:50:23 PM


  So now what get rid of the military?  Cab you tell me anything that the military has done right?

When did I suggest such a thing as getting rid of the military?   Never, that's when.  Why say such a thing?

The American military is the most expensive, best paid, military in the history of the world.   It's taken 18 years, but the fight against the Taliban is almost over....and the Taliban won.    Why?

1.  Nature of the mission
2.  Leadership (or lack thereof in this case)
3.  Philosophy on the nature of warfare.   The USA is PC to the extreme.

The military hasn't fought a defensive-morally correct war since WWII.     It isn't being used properly.   This is a political problem, not a problem with the military.

If America used its armed forces for defense of American soil and not to meddle and mind others business, playing cop/mafia/opium farmer "over there" the entire world would be much better off.  Christians in the MidEast would still have their ancient churches, not to mention their lives.   Americans would still be welcome around the world.     We would all be much better off!

So, I've never suggested, intimated or bandied about the very stupid idea of "getting rid" of the military.   I wonder why you said such a thing?    How about America stops trying to dominate and subjugate the world using the military and economic sanctions?  How about the military is used to protect the US from invasion?   

This is a sincere question:  Are you more loyal to your military than to liberty?
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: John Florida on January 17, 2019, 09:19:00 PM
  All you've done is bitch about wars bases and aggression.  btw you never mentioned the Taiwan link.  Why are you so much better at military strategy than the military.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Alphabet Soup on January 17, 2019, 09:40:23 PM
This is a sincere question:  Do you walk to school or carry your lunch?
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: DocTrock on January 17, 2019, 09:47:02 PM
  All you've done is bitch about wars bases and aggression.  btw you never mentioned the Taiwan link.  Why are you so much better at military str ategy than the military.

Wars are worth bitching about.

What is it in the Taiwan link that I need to understand?  You used it to demonstrate how aggressive the Chinese are.   I've already touched on that.   I think you confuse aggression with persuasion.   Or perhaps you assign persuasion to USA and aggression to everyone the USA attacks.  That's how Mitt Romney and John McCain used to think....American exceptionalism and the like.   

Also, in addition to bitching I've also answered all your questions, countered the points you tried to make about China, Russia etc.  and I looked at all your links.   Did you read mine?   

Do you remember when you said, " You thin Russia trusts the Chinese enough to use their money for oil?  China that changes the value of their money at will.  If and when enough Russian oil and gas is sold using Chinese currency China can wipe Russia out financially with the stroke of a pen and never fire a shot."?

It's funny, you said that as if you knew all about Russia and China and money and oil and I didn't.   But the reality of the situation is that Russia and China have already done oil deals in RMB.   Russia is happy to sell it to them and China is happy to pay, both without using the Petrodollar.   China hasn't "wiped out" Russia.  On the contrary, the nations are closer than they've ever been.

The links I provided proved you wrong.  Dead wrong.   And yet there's no sign of you admitting the truth.

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: John Florida on January 18, 2019, 07:48:15 AM
  All you've done is bitch about wars bases and aggression.  btw you never mentioned the Taiwan link.  Why are you so much better at military str ategy than the military.

Wars are worth bitching about.

What is it in the Taiwan link that I need to understand?  You used it to demonstrate how aggressive the Chinese are.   I've already touched on that.   I think you confuse aggression with persuasion.   Or perhaps you assign persuasion to USA and aggression to everyone the USA attacks.  That's how Mitt Romney and John McCain used to think....American exceptionalism and the like.   

Also, in addition to bitching I've also answered all your questions, countered the points you tried to make about China, Russia etc.  and I looked at all your links.   Did you read mine?   

Do you remember when you said, " You thin Russia trusts the Chinese enough to use their money for oil?  China that changes the value of their money at will.  If and when enough Russian oil and gas is sold using Chinese currency China can wipe Russia out financially with the stroke of a pen and never fire a shot."?

It's funny, you said that as if you knew all about Russia and China and money and oil and I didn't.   But the reality of the situation is that Russia and China have already done oil deals in RMB.   Russia is happy to sell it to them and China is happy to pay, both without using the Petrodollar.   China hasn't "wiped out" Russia.  On the contrary, the nations are closer than they've ever been.

The links I provided proved you wrong.  Dead wrong.   And yet there's no sign of you admitting the truth.



  You seem to see sanctions as aggression when the US does it and persuasion when China or Russia does it's pressure and is pressure in whatever form . 

  China Russia oil deals are one thing but Russia only dealing with Chinese currency from the rest of the planet is when they have replaced the dollar till then it's petrodollars .  What you know or I know has nothing to do with anything it's how we see it is completely different or what you thin and I thin is where we differ.

  Whose truth? yours or mine.

  BTW Russia /Afghanistan was just pressure not war.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on January 18, 2019, 08:07:56 AM
Doc not only likes the Putin punch...I think he asked for and got the recipe and likes sharing it.

Everything Doc writes does fit the progressive debate template to a "T".  Ignore reality that doesn't fit your chosen dogma...like Russia never invaded et al...make assertions and ignore and attack, ask for proof and offer none. 

Yes, the irregular forces, the spies...those are all baseless accusations of the corrupt warmongering Americans!  Blah blah blah.  Y'all are making the same mistake people make with progressives...thinking that logic, reason and facts means something to true-believers, they are merely things to manipulate, ignore or attack.

There is no objectivity in people this driven by dogma...it is the same BS I slap people down with on Zerohedge all the time.

This BS that (primarily) Russia and (secondarily) China are the standard bearers of truth, justice and liberty and all others are evil...or just merely worse and deserving the status of world enemy.

When one can claim the atrocities committed by Russia (even post-Soviet, though Ukraine and former Soviet satellites have direct history to Soviet actions...and the continued link to Russia...which in history was always by force and will be so forevermore), China, Iran, Syria and Libya do not exist and no matter what America is more evil nah nah nah nah nah nah...you have to realize you are trying to reason with the same kind of mindset that believes despite overwhelming evidence that the Holocaust was a myth, lies by Jews and Jew sympathizers.

And this is easily proven, I do it all the time at Zerohedge.

When pressed some extreme Russophiles will admit that the American people are not the enemy, but the American government and the good 'ol MIC and their Jew masters are...but then go on to equate every anti-American argument as if there is no difference...and more importantly, many of them do not care.  Their extremism is easily proven when challenged about Trump.  Trump is the trap that snares them and destroys their imagined impartiality and mythical objectivity!  Trump, the ultimate outsider who achieved where St. Ron Paul failed, where H. Ross Perot failed and where the useful idiot rogue John McCain failed...he bulldozed the Republican Establishment and secured the GOP nomination, he campaigned as an outsider and made the presstitutes and Clinton his bitches...and then the Demonazi/DeepState/MFM coup plan goes into effect when the unthinkable happens and the outsider wins the Presidency!  The American people and the Russophiles never had a better leader in place to start dismantling the DeepState apparatus from within than with this President.  And what do they do to support him?  Not a goddamend thing.  In fact most go on to demonize him just as the progressives demonize him!  You want America to GTFO out of NATO?  You want America out of Syria?  Apparently not, your actions ONLY SERVE THE DEEPSTATE!

People like this enrage me even worse than the goddamned progressives and muzzies.  At least progs and muzzies are honest with themselves...and even let it slip out here and there to confirm it to people too stupid to figure it out otherwise.  But people who should know better and act better acting all morally and intellectually superior backstabbing the only allies they could ever have?  Yeah, they can all go screw themselves.

Y'all can do what you want, arguing with cult-like true believers in fantasyland is something I'll pass on.

No offense Doc, but I think you're full of sh*t.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Weisshaupt on January 18, 2019, 08:46:34 AM

If the government is taking life, liberty or property from its people without due process of law, then the government is the aggressor and the people have a right to defend themselves.

So Putin's support for Al Assad in Syria.. supported for the purposes of maintaining the Black Sea military base there, where Human rights violations had been recorded on a regular basis since the 60s and certainly  against the Arab Spring forces,  must qualify as Russian Aggression,  since it certainly isn't force used in self defense to protect the rights of individuals.

Yes, I am sure you will simply assert something else was going on there, and yes other things were going on- as they are at all points in history. Which is why such simple and juvenile categorizations are often not terribly helpful. The world is not black and white, and this good guy/bad guy narrative you are spinning is absurd. No one has clean hands - and China and Russia have been aggressors  in some ways, and acting in self defense in others - often within the same context and situation.  Claiming otherwise is intellectually dishonest.  Groups of people act for all sorts of different motives.  Some in the Arab spring ( on both sides )  were undoubtedly acting to advance the cause of liberty and stability and rule of law ..  others were acting to simply to become the new oppressors.  This is why justice is an act upon an individual and not a group.  Individuals  don't act in perfect concert of approval or from the same motives.

I have no idea why the good guy/bad guy narrative is so important for you to maintain or what primary position it holds in your world view,  but it simply isn't the case that China and Russia have NEVER  been the aggressors ( which by your own statement above admits is acting against the liberties of individuals) since even their  OWN CITIZENS can't  enjoy protection of life, liberty or property or the  due process of law - those governments  are aggressors within their own borders- and yet you seem to be asserting that protecting such principles guides their actions internationally in foreign lands.

Human behavior is complex, motives are never pure in an individuals and never consistent across a group, and adopting a worldview that accounts for that would probably help you develop a better model of the world you inhabit.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: DocTrock on January 18, 2019, 09:42:42 AM
Until you folks get to know me better, let me just clarify a few things:

Ad hominem/personal attacks are not something I do.   I always view such things as a sign of weakness and when I hear them It's because the debate is over.....the target of the attacks has won.    That would be me, in this case.

Calling me a progressive is laughable.   I'm as far from that end of the political spectrum as can be; I'm much less progressive than any liberal/conservative.

Take comfort in this, liberal/conservatives:  The Status Quo is here to stay until there is spectacular collapse.   You'll have your wars, you'll be able to pretend you're the policeman of the world,your taxes, your regulations and oh my.....you'll have your debt.   Indeed, you'll have your spectacular national debt.

Trump is outspending Obama, who outspent Bush, who outspent Clinton, ad infinitum.    You'll have your big government and you'll lament the fact that republicans aren't in full control of it all the time, as if it matters.

So, to recap:

I've shown that Russia and China.....who will be the ascendant nations in the 21st century are not nearly as aggressive and bent on world domination as the Neoconservative folks and presstitutes tell us.   I've shown that recent history of events as repeated on the TV is false.

I've reminded you that America is a false-front operation.

And I've backed up my statements with easily provable facts.   

I'll end with this: 

1.  If Russia and China are aggressive.....what the hell do you call US behavior?
2.  If the US is so great, why are so many other nations working night and day to topple SWIFT and the Petrodollar?   
3.  If Russia is so evil,  explain why they are protecting Christians in the ME from Jihadists.
4.  If America is so great, explain why they are arming, training and advising Jihadists who slaughter Christians in the ME.

Now, let's all pray that the EU crashes and burns and people regain a tad of power over their governments.  Let's also pray that NATO goes away too. 



Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Alphabet Soup on January 18, 2019, 10:07:02 AM
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Until you folks get to know me better, let me just clarify a few things:

This presupposes that we would want to get to know you better. The jury is still out on that.

We're not a closed community here, but we are a close knit community. We like and encourage more voices but I doubt that a single one of us are interested in being lectured to or browbeat. Now I recognize that you may not think that is what you are doing. I hope that this is the case because (if true) I believe that you can modify your approach and we can overcome it.

If however, your sole intent is to "win" arguments then enjoy your victory - it may be fleeting.

Welcome to IAL.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: John Florida on January 18, 2019, 10:22:27 AM
Until you folks get to know me better, let me just clarify a few things:

Ad hominem/personal attacks are not something I do.   I always view such things as a sign of weakness and when I hear them It's because the debate is over.....the target of the attacks has won.    That would be me, in this case.

Calling me a progressive is laughable.   I'm as far from that end of the political spectrum as can be; I'm much less progressive than any liberal/conservative.

Take comfort in this, liberal/conservatives:  The Status Quo is here to stay until there is spectacular collapse.   You'll have your wars, you'll be able to pretend you're the policeman of the world,your taxes, your regulations and oh my.....you'll have your debt.   Indeed, you'll have your spectacular national debt.

Trump is outspending Obama, who outspent Bush, who outspent Clinton, ad infinitum.    You'll have your big government and you'll lament the fact that republicans aren't in full control of it all the time, as if it matters.

So, to recap:

I've shown that Russia and China.....who will be the ascendant nations in the 21st century are not nearly as aggressive and bent on world domination as the Neoconservative folks and presstitutes tell us.   I've shown that recent history of events as repeated on the TV is false.

I've reminded you that America is a false-front operation.

And I've backed up my statements with easily provable facts.   

I'll end with this: 

1.  If Russia and China are aggressive.....what the hell do you call US behavior?
2.  If the US is so great, why are so many other nations working night and day to topple SWIFT and the Petrodollar?   
3.  If Russia is so evil,  explain why they are protecting Christians in the ME from Jihadists.
4.  If America is so great, explain why they are arming, training and advising Jihadists who slaughter Christians in the ME.

Now, let's all pray that the EU crashes and burns and people regain a tad of power over their governments.  Let's also pray that NATO goes away too.


  I haven't attacked you personally so I hope that wasn't for me.  I never said we were not aggressive but it's a rough world is it takes aggression so be it.  EU is crashing as we speak IE France is on fire and Brexit so lets hope it happens soon.

  NATO can go to hell as The U.N. can go to hell with them. They need us more than we need them.

  But to hear you tell it I have not shown you anything or you choose to ignore it.

 
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Weisshaupt on January 18, 2019, 10:53:53 AM
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1.  If Russia and China are aggressive.....what the hell do you call US behavior?
Aggressive sometimes, and self-defensive others, and often at the same time, just like Russia and China and any other nation that engages with others internationally.  That is the world you live in -  The law of the Jungle is the rule unless people agree it isn't - and internationally -  there is no such agreement - which is part of the reason the US acts as it does.  Without such a "policeman" there would be, for instance,  far more nuclear proliferation.  Humans are naturally aggressive. Humans will respond to incentives and disincentives provided.  Humans will typically act in their own self interest to the deteriment of the outsider. If you don't know these things,  welcome to earth.

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2.  If the US is so great, why are so many other nations working night and day to topple SWIFT and the Petrodollar?
Because its obvious to everyone US debt is unsustainable. Who here do you think is arguing for the US being "so great" or blameless?  We are all very well aware of her faults, the problems with the debt,  the abuse of the world currency,  and that often our politicians are not acting in the best interests of the nation or of its people, much less upholding any principles that we hold dear.
   
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3.  If Russia is so evil,  explain why they are protecting Christians in the ME from Jihadists.
Because right now the powers that be in that nation  feel it is in their best interests to do so,  which may or may not be  in the best interests of the Nation or those affected..(for what its worth Putin seems to act far more consistently for the benefit of Russia than American politicians act for the benefit of America, but this is largely because one US party is a cabal actively attempting to destroy the nation, and the other a  controlled opposition to ensure that nothing is overturned when the first is out of power. See Cloward-Piven. If that means its a "false front" operation in your terms, then sure. ) 


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4.  If America is so great, explain why they are arming, training and advising Jihadists who slaughter Christians in the ME.
Because right now the powers that be in that nation feel it is in their best interests to do so,  which may or may not be  in the best interests of the Nation or those affected. Someone who was paying attention might have noticed the Untied  States is approaching a Civil war because of such things. You seem blissfully ignorant of our internal  US politics. I suspect this is because you see Nations via an identitarian lens, and don't want to deal with the messy fact that they are  conglomerations of individuals - often with opposing agendas and viewpoints. Much easier to slap a label on them and suggest that are all the same.

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I've shown that Russia and China.....who will be the ascendant nations in the 21st century are not nearly as aggressive and bent on world domination as the Neoconservative folks and presstitutes tell us

No you really haven't shown that. In fact you have admitted that they act aggressively and with an intent to dominate towards their own people. In order to demonstrate this postulation  you would have to show that they have had the power and ability to act as the United States  does  and have refrained from using that power. And they don't have that power, because they don't have the reserve currency or anywhere near the economic and military reach.  Past performance is no proof here of future performance under different circumstances.  You might was well claim Sears  or AP super markets will always  be a dominant player in the United States Economy because they were at one point.  Circumstances change, and actions and motivations will change with them. Its Axiomatic that power corrupts, so as the power of Russia and China increase, the incentives to use that power increase and the disincentives decrease. Refusing to address this fact will not make it any less true.

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I'm as far from that end of the political spectrum as can be; I'm much less progressive than any liberal/conservative.

Okay so drop your labels and open the box to show us what is inside.. define your position and where you fall on a political axis -  Collectivist vs. individualist?  Socially? Economically?  Or define your own axis and demonstrate how your position is as far from the liberal/conservative positions in America as possible.

You seem the sort that will refuse to define what positions you actually hold, as that would limit your trolling ability. Am I right?

 
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on January 18, 2019, 11:24:37 AM
Doc Doesn't Answer hasn't answered my challenge, so in Doc-like fashion I declare myself the winner and he the loser...hey, this subjective authoritarian style of debate is fun!  Thanks Doc, I am learning from the best!

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Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: DocTrock on January 18, 2019, 12:02:40 PM

Okay so drop your labels and open the box to show us what is inside.. define your position and where you fall on a political axis -  Collectivist vs. individualist?  Socially? Economically?  Or define your own axis and demonstrate how your position is as far from the liberal/conservative positions in America as possible.

You seem the sort that will refuse to define what positions you actually hold, as that would limit your trolling ability. Am I right?

I'm Anarcho-Capitalist/individualist politically speaking.   Socially I'm personally quite conservative although I believe public policy should be libertarian so that people can make up their own minds about what they want to do.   Economically: laissez-faire Capitalism all the way.

I reject the welfare/warfare (liberal) state and equally reject the Warfare/Welfare state (conservative.)

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: DocTrock on January 18, 2019, 12:03:25 PM
Doc Doesn't Answer hasn't answered my challenge, so in Doc-like fashion I declare myself the winner and he the loser...hey, this subjective authoritarian style of debate is fun!  Thanks Doc, I am learning from the best!



I apologize for not anwering your "challenge."  What is your challenge?  I'll certainly answer it.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Weisshaupt on January 18, 2019, 12:25:39 PM
Anarcho-Capitalist/individualist politically speaking.
I reject the welfare/warfare (liberal) state and equally reject the Warfare/Welfare state (conservative.)

Oh look, undefined labels. Couldn't see that coming.
Try opening the box and start defining what each of those terms means to you in terms of principles, ideology and policy.

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: DocTrock on January 18, 2019, 01:11:12 PM
Anarcho-Capitalist/individualist politically speaking.
I reject the welfare/warfare (liberal) state and equally reject the Warfare/Welfare state (conservative.)

Oh look, undefined labels. Couldn't see that coming.
Try opening the box and start defining what each of those terms means to you in terms of principles, ideology and policy.

uhh.....just because you don't know what something means doesn't mean it is undefined.   In such cases it usually means the person demanding "labeling" is dishonest and no matter what the other person might say they won't have it.....and it can mean ignorance.  Usually---not always--- it is both.

Anarchy means something.....so does Capitalism.  Imagine melding the two together......not so hard is it?

Principles:  Individual liberty, private property,  sound (real) money,  free markets,  anti-state.
Ideology:  mixed in with principles....but it could be summed up as the Non-Aggression Principle applied to all aspects of life......Non-Interventionism is another way to describe it.
Policy: Dismantle everything.  Bring the troops home.  Legalize everything except aggression.   Government's responsibility is LIMITED to:

Court system,  weights/measures,  records, national DEFENSE.

I won't ask you to define conservatism.....too messy and ethereal. 
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Weisshaupt on January 18, 2019, 01:22:02 PM
Anarcho-Capitalist/individualist politically speaking.
I reject the welfare/warfare (liberal) state and equally reject the Warfare/Welfare state (conservative.)

Oh look, undefined labels. Couldn't see that coming.
Try opening the box and start defining what each of those terms means to you in terms of principles, ideology and policy.

uhh.....just because you don't know what something means doesn't mean it is undefined.   In such cases it usually means the person demanding "labeling" is dishonest and no matter what the other person might say they won't have it.....and it can mean ignorance.  Usually---not always--- it is both.

Anarchy means something.....so does Capitalism.  Imagine melding the two together......not so hard is it?

Principles:  Individual liberty, private property,  sound (real) money,  free markets,  anti-state.
Ideology:  mixed in with principles....but it could be summed up as the Non-Aggression Principle applied to all aspects of life......Non-Interventionism is another way to describe it.
Policy: Dismantle everything.  Bring the troops home.  Legalize everything except aggression.   Government's responsibility is LIMITED to:

Court system,  weights/measures,  records, national DEFENSE.

I won't ask you to define conservatism.....too messy and ethereal.

Just because you use terms, doesn't mean you are using them correctly. I want to know what you mean by them.
You said conservatism/liberalism was the opposite end of the spectrum from you - it is not incumbent for you to describe what  that axis is based upon since it is your assertion?




Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: DocTrock on January 18, 2019, 01:29:48 PM
Anarcho-Capitalist/individualist politically speaking.
I reject the welfare/warfare (liberal) state and equally reject the Warfare/Welfare state (conservative.)

Oh look, undefined labels. Couldn't see that coming.
Try opening the box and start defining what each of those terms means to you in terms of principles, ideology and policy.

uhh.....just because you don't know what something means doesn't mean it is undefined.   In such cases it usually means the person demanding "labeling" is dishonest and no matter what the other person might say they won't have it.....and it can mean ignorance.  Usually---not always--- it is both.

Anarchy means something.....so does Capitalism.  Imagine melding the two together......not so hard is it?

Principles:  Individual liberty, private property,  sound (real) money,  free markets,  anti-state.
Ideology:  mixed in with principles....but it could be summed up as the Non-Aggression Principle applied to all aspects of life......Non-Interventionism is another way to describe it.
Policy: Dismantle everything.  Bring the troops home.  Legalize everything except aggression.   Government's responsibility is LIMITED to:

Court system,  weights/measures,  records, national DEFENSE.

I won't ask you to define conservatism.....too messy and ethereal.

Just because you use terms, doesn't mean you are using them correctly. I want to know what you mean by them.
You said conservatism/liberalism was the opposite end of the spectrum from you - it is not incumbent for you to describe what  that axis is based upon since it is your assertion?

Just because you don't know what a term means doesn't mean I'm not using them correctly.   I want to know what you think I mean by the term "capitalist."   Silly game.....yours.

Liberal/conservative is:

1. Statist
2. Interventionist
3. Collectivist
4. Central planning

I'm anti-state,  Non-interventionist, individualist and Laissez-faire.   (LOL, your spell check wants to correct to "bouillabaisse.")

Many people can see how being Statist is opposite Anti-state.  Can you?

Again, I answer your questions directly and succinctly.  Will you do the same if I ask one?
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Weisshaupt on January 18, 2019, 02:05:47 PM
Quote
Liberal/conservative is:

1. Statist
2. Interventionist
3. Collectivist
4. Central planning

More undefined terms but fine , I will tell you what I think they mean, shall I?

Liberal and conservative are diametrical opposites in the context of the United States.  Conservatives in the States ( not to be confused with Republicans who are a controlled opposition party) are trying to conserve the original Republic - and are therefore anti-statist, anti-central-planning and anti collectivist , whereas the "liberals" ( not to be confused with classical liberals)   are statist (as in the State is the supreme arbiter) , collectivist (as in the community comes before the individual)  and pro-central planning ( as in the government "plans" the economy)

Economic Interventionism  is of course hand in hand with central planning,

And you think that is using the terms correctly? Certainly not as the terms are used in the United States

but since you  didn't provide any context - assuming I am telepathic or something, I rather suspect this last  refers to your naive view that a country can simply become isolationist and dis-involve themselves from any conflicts. The early American founders tried that - and oddly - the other world powers didn't go along with it.  Its almost like stronger powers will mess with weaker powers, because they can.  Oh right,  that is because that is exactly what happens..

And if you ignore such things too long, it will come back to bite you. Or is it your opinion the United States should not  have intervened in WWI or WWII? After all it was a purely European problem wasn't it? Yes. Until it isn't and V2s with Nukes are raining down on North America. But maybe that wouldn't have happened? No one can see the future, so no one can really say if a policy is interventionist or not -- should they consult you first before acting? You seem to consider yourself an authority on such matters.

 If you are isolationist you are also cutting yourself off from world trade , and if you aren't ,  then at some point, the dictator you made the trade deal with is threatened by other powers.. as the many proxy wars the United States had with the USSR during the cold war can attest.

You can go live in your ideal world where that isn't the case if you like,  but one ignores reality at their peril. SO if looking out for what appears to be in the best interests of a nation is intervention ,  then sure - that is probably a facet of both Liberalism and Conservatism in the United States ( but a liberal and a conservative would have wildly different ideas about what constitutes the best interests of the nation)   However the reason it is an element of both is because its a necessary fact of life. It is the reason Russia is in involved in Syria at all. It is the reason any nation ever gets involved in the affiars of another.. because trade , or strategic concerns are weighed into the decisions.
 Ignoring such concerns will ensure that your nation won't exist for long enough for anything else to be of concern.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: DocTrock on January 18, 2019, 03:15:56 PM
Quote
Liberal/conservative is:

1. Statist
2. Interventionist
3. Collectivist
4. Central planning

More undefined terms but fine , I will tell you what I think they mean, shall I?

Liberal and conservative are diametrical opposites in the context of the United States.  Conservatives in the States ( not to be confused with Republicans who are a controlled opposition party) are trying to conserve the original Republic - and are therefore anti-statist, anti-central-planning and anti collectivist , whereas the "liberals" ( not to be confused with classical liberals)   are statist (as in the State is the supreme arbiter) , collectivist (as in the community comes before the individual)  and pro-central planning ( as in the government "plans" the economy)



The rest of your post was you assigning positions to me that I do not hold.   Isolationism is NOT Non-interventionism.   The current policy of the USA, supported by liberal/conservatives is Isolationism.    We're not even supposed to talk with Russian, Iranians, etc.   We're to isolate them via sanctions, embargoes, etc.    That is Isolationism in practice....but you call it something else.

Conservatives in the USA march in lockstep with liberals.   They are not opposites at all.    More like right and left wheels of the same wheelbarrow.

Liberals want deficit spending, massive government, military intervention, and government control over all aspects of life.
Conservatives also want deficit spending, massive government....etc.   

The only difference is who is in control,  (R) or (D).   

Conservatives are also completely detached from reality, much more so than Liberals.  Conservatives imagine that a guy like Paul Ryan is a "fiscal hawk," or that Republicans will overturn Roe v Wade, etc.   They also have a false belief that conservatives want to shrink government.

There is zero proof for these beliefs, as every republican/conservative politician has increased spending,  not overturned Roe v Wade,  increased the size and power of government and the like.

Your claim that liberals and conservatives are diametrically opposed is totally detached from reality.  There has never been a single instance of any conservative anywhere doing anything remotely conservative, the way you seem to define it.

You choose to deny reality with your labels.   I incorporate reality in mine, which is a big difference between us.

I'll not fight for the charade,  finance it, applaud it or make excuses.   How about you?  Are you going to enable the United State to continue down the path to ruin?   
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Weisshaupt on January 18, 2019, 05:39:56 PM
Most of us here consider ourselves "conservative" and hold none of those positions.
As Already explained the so-called "Conservative party"  in America  is controlled opposition for the Democrats, so I can see why an uneducated and ignorant outsider might see Republicans as representing conservatives or  being in lock step with Democrats and not realize that has nothing at all to do with being an American conservative. But hey, you obviously aren't interested in being educated on this are you?

Read the previous posts in the forum.  We don't call the Republicans the stupid party for nothing. We don't want deficit spending. We don't think Paul Ryan is a fiscal hawk. We know full well the Republican party  doesn't represent the interests of conservative people . And we know full well that Republicans never overturn anything - I HAVE ALREADY SAID SO.  However, the tenacity and entrenched nature of the two party system  means we can currently either split the vote, letting the Democrats win or vote for the lesser evil and put in a Republican who will probably slow (but never stop) the bleed.  But I guess you don't understand that you can only choose from the choices  you get, and in reality - since Republicans are a branch of the Democrat party, we don't really get a choice - other than to buy firearms and wait for the inevitable.

But Obviously you  feel you  know better than I do  what I and others here  think and believe  and better than I do what those terms mean, in reality,   in my own country. To me they are just labels, and your labels aren't going to modify reality in the slightest. 
If it makes you feel good to define these terms  in this way, then go ahead but you are misusing them in this context and they do not commonly denote the meanings you are ascribing to them.
But then I guess shouldn't expect you to use words according to their common meanings  , as you also appear to  think Wheel barrows commonly have 2 wheels.

You may now have the last word if you wish it.  I'm done.




Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: DocTrock on January 19, 2019, 10:36:35 AM
However, the tenacity and entrenched nature of the two party system  means we can currently either split the vote, letting the Democrats win or vote for the lesser evil and put in a Republican who will probably slow (but never stop) the bleed.  But I guess you don't understand that you can only choose from the choices  you get, and in reality - since Republicans are a branch of the Democrat party, we don't really get a choice - other than to buy firearms and wait for the inevitable.



I concede to you the wheelbarrow example.   I should have said cart.  Mea Culpa.

So.....you're voting for Republicans and you claim they slow the bleed.

If that were remotely true, I might have voted for a republican.   Can you give an example of a republican administration or congress that slowed the bleed?   

According to reality,  they've only sped it up.....
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: John Florida on January 19, 2019, 11:39:57 AM
However, the tenacity and entrenched nature of the two party system  means we can currently either split the vote, letting the Democrats win or vote for the lesser evil and put in a Republican who will probably slow (but never stop) the bleed.  But I guess you don't understand that you can only choose from the choices  you get, and in reality - since Republicans are a branch of the Democrat party, we don't really get a choice - other than to buy firearms and wait for the inevitable.



I concede to you the wheelbarrow example.   I should have said cart.  Mea Culpa.

So.....you're voting for Republicans and you claim they slow the bleed.

If that were remotely true, I might have voted for a republican.   Can you give an example of a republican administration or congress that slowed the bleed?   

According to reality,  they've only sped it up.....


  Who would have you voted for in the last election?
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Weisshaupt on January 19, 2019, 01:13:51 PM
I don't believe he/she/it voted  or if they did, probably did so and illegally  for a Democrat because since they are probably overstaying a VISA or never obtained one.. .  They sure don't see themselves as American

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America is a false-front operation:
You claim to be peaceful....yet you are perp
etually at war.   
You claim to be powerful, yet you cannot win a war, no matter who the enemy is.   
You claim to stand for human rights/women's rights and yet you closely ally yourself to Saudi Arabia for 30 pieces of oily silver.
You claim that your "democracy" is the envy of the world....but you must use bullets, missiles, drones and sanctions against everyone who disagrees or won't bow to US pressure.
You claim to stand for free and fair, democratic elections....but if those elections have outcomes that don't match liberal/conservative agendas,  you undermine the will of the people and foment 'regime change' via the CIA.   You did this in Ukraine, Libya, and right here with Trump.


What is for sure and positive is that they can't look up and read simple charts, and prefers to troll instead. .

(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/--aBlS9tf_HQ/Te5E_a0azbI/AAAAAAAAALE/d3yiXD7Hf9k/s1600/US_Federal_Debt_as_Percent_of_GDP.tif)


Not that it matters because entitlement programs are the main drivers anyway , Democrats passed a doozy of a new one with ACA, ,and since that spending is mandatory and a third rail,  neither party can do much to affect it -- which is something else someone who actually was actually an informed American would know. Problem doesn't even know Congress is responsible to submit and pass a  budget (except , you know all of those years when Democrats didn't)  The guy is just some paid foreign troll - probably followed someone back here from Zerohedge.  ( I am looking at you Libertas  ::rockethrow:: )
 I don't even think he has much of an agenda beyond stating "America is Bad."   I expect Orange Man Bad will be next.  After all that was an illegal regime change apparently - aided  I guess with  collusion with Putin.. but wait is that aggression or  self defense on Putin's part \?  I am so confused. Its like this guy has no internal consistency to his "arguments" . Troll.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on January 20, 2019, 10:46:34 AM
Yes Weisshaupt, he's a troll...

I don't know if I should admire your patience or be exasperated by it.   ;)

His self-negating positions and circling arguments are the hallmarks of a dogmatic mind.

It's easy to be righteous when you know you are right.

(https://images2.imgbox.com/74/32/C3Uf2ERh_o.gif)

The righteous don't have to justify their righteousness to anyone.

I see these types at Zerohedge all the time.  People incapable of a depth of thought capable of seeing the gradations of corruption and complicity in all societies...and I mean all societies...because unlike them picking winners and losers is a micro thing not a macro thing.  It's why their statements are so consistently inconsistent and illogical.  And like most of these types they bristle at having their beliefs pinned down...God-forbid people really know what they believe!  It is because they embody the pack-mentality of our distant ancestors...the same pack mentality embraced by the more ruthless and vicious criminal organizations on the planet.  Worse than mob rule...that's for the dregs at the bottom...they want to live as thug royalty.

No wonder they get tingle up the leg while admiring the Rus...closest thing on the planet to their ideal society. 

The greater the wealth and power, the more freedom.  Might makes right.

Well, the fate of such is simple too...in anarchy nobody is expected to give a damn what happens to you...I'm already there.

(https://images3.imgbox.com/5f/6f/GgWFsg0T_o.jpg)

Hang in there...you got yourself in that bind...you can get yourself out.

Maybe something interesting is on RT while you wait.

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Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: AlanS on January 20, 2019, 04:07:45 PM

Conservatives are also completely detached from reality, much more so than Liberals.  Conservatives imagine that a guy like Paul Ryan is a "fiscal hawk," or that Republicans will overturn Roe v Wade, etc.   They also have a false belief that conservatives want to shrink government.

There is zero proof for these beliefs, as every republican/conservative politician has increased spending,  not overturned Roe v Wade,  increased the size and power of government and the like.

Your claim that liberals and conservatives are diametrically opposed is totally detached from reality.  There has never been a single instance of any conservative anywhere doing anything remotely conservative, the way you seem to define it.

You choose to deny reality with your labels.   I incorporate reality in mine, which is a big difference between us.

I'll not fight for the charade,  finance it, applaud it or make excuses.   How about you?  Are you going to enable the United State to continue down the path to ruin?   

I'm late to this party as I don't regularly visit this thread. But it appears I haven't miss much.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on January 20, 2019, 04:22:28 PM
Recap -

Doc will not answer me, Weisshaupt, JF...nobody.  Just wants to lecture from above until we agree he is correct about everything.

Could tease some more...let you carry on with it if you like?

I would ask:  What does the Russian invasion of Ukraine, the annexation of Crimea and the Russian presence in Syria all have in common?  There is only one correct and honest answer and I bet it will not be properly answered.

 ::stirpot::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Weisshaupt on January 20, 2019, 06:59:01 PM
What does the Russian invasion of Ukraine, the annexation of Crimea and the Russian presence in Syria all have in common? 


(https://i.chzbgr.com/original/394260736/hBF4BE550/)

They are all Examples of Russian's acting in self defense of themselves or others? I especially love how they are saving those poor Syrians from their despotic ruler.

Wait? Waht is that you say?
Al Assad is the despotic ruler?

Well at least they are cozying up Al Assad for oil and not those other dictators  in Saudi Arabia.

What? No , its not the same thing! Its different when the Russians do it. Because...
shut up, you American liberal/conservative meany.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on January 21, 2019, 06:49:45 AM
Kitteh has exited the bag.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: John Florida on January 21, 2019, 09:31:05 AM
  Where is he/she/it ?  Suddenly quiet.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: DocTrock on January 21, 2019, 07:48:25 PM
  Where is he/she/it ?  Suddenly quiet.

Oh yeah....be proud.  You "scared" another one off.  The thread at least.

You guys vote for people who don't represent you and you pretend it's a "lesser" evil.   We'll no doubt see eachother on another thread.   

But if you want the vainglory of thinking you ran me off with your superior intellect and so forth....think again.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Alphabet Soup on January 21, 2019, 08:06:16 PM
  Where is he/she/it ?  Suddenly quiet.

Oh yeah....be proud.  You "scared" another one off.  The thread at least.

You guys vote for people who don't represent you and you pretend it's a "lesser" evil.   We'll no doubt see eachother on another thread.   

But if you want the vainglory of thinking you ran me off with your superior intellect and so forth....think again.

I read virtually everything you wrote. I didn't agree with everything but I did read it. But with every post you reinforce my initial perception: you're not here to have a conversation - you're here to fight.
No thanks, not interested.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: John Florida on January 21, 2019, 10:35:47 PM
  Where is he/she/it ?  Suddenly quiet.

Oh yeah....be proud.  You "scared" another one off.  The thread at least.

You guys vote for people who don't represent you and you pretend it's a "lesser" evil.   We'll no doubt see eachother on another thread.   

But if you want the vainglory of thinking you ran me off with your superior intellect and so forth....think again.

I read virtually everything you wrote. I didn't agree with everything but I did read it. But with every post you reinforce my initial perception: you're not here to have a conversation - you're here to fight.
No thanks, not interested.

  Where you been I missed you.  So who did you vote for was where I left off.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Weisshaupt on January 22, 2019, 02:50:52 PM
Since he won't answer you JF I will.


You guys vote for people who don't represent you and you pretend it's a "lesser" evil. 

 :o
He  would have his vote for Democrats so the country collapses more quickly.
After all, what would a Democrat majority be doing right now?

They would try to implement single payer - increasing the debt, and then try to outlaw firearms , causing a civil war.
His obvious interest is in getting the United States off the world stage sooner ( the greater evil)  so his favored despotic powers  in China and Russia can have unrestricted behavior  - because, like google, they would never use such increased latitude  for evil.  Its a belief so naive, I  hope he is just a paid Russian trying to bring down the US- otherwise I have to lower my opinion of humanity another notch.


Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: DocTrock on January 22, 2019, 04:30:39 PM
Since he won't answer you JF I will.


You guys vote for people who don't represent you and you pretend it's a "lesser" evil. 

 :o
He  would have his vote for Democrats so the country collapses more quickly.
After all, what would a Democrat majority be doing right now?

They would try to implement single payer - increasing the debt, and then try to outlaw firearms , causing a civil war.
His obvious interest is in getting the United States off the world stage sooner ( the greater evil)  so his favored despotic powers  in China and Russia can have unrestricted behavior  - because, like google, they would never use such increased latitude  for evil.  Its a belief so naive, I  hope he is just a paid Russian trying to bring down the US- otherwise I have to lower my opinion of humanity another notch.

Ah....personal attacks.   Not waiting for an answer but pretending you "ran me off."

Personal attacks are the fanfare of victorious, glorious and superior debating skills.  The person awarded with the personal attacks is always the winner.   That would be me!   Yay! 

I beat people who spend all day on a nearly empty forum waiting for someone to answer questions.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: John Florida on January 22, 2019, 05:07:12 PM
Since he won't answer you JF I will.


You guys vote for people who don't represent you and you pretend it's a "lesser" evil. 

 :o
He  would have his vote for Democrats so the country collapses more quickly.
After all, what would a Democrat majority be doing right now?

They would try to implement single payer - increasing the debt, and then try to outlaw firearms , causing a civil war.
His obvious interest is in getting the United States off the world stage sooner ( the greater evil)  so his favored despotic powers  in China and Russia can have unrestricted behavior  - because, like google, they would never use such increased latitude  for evil.  Its a belief so naive, I  hope he is just a paid Russian trying to bring down the US- otherwise I have to lower my opinion of humanity another notch.

Ah....personal attacks.   Not waiting for an answer but pretending you "ran me off."

Personal attacks are the fanfare of victorious, glorious and superior debating skills.  The person awarded with the personal attacks is always the winner.   That would be me!   Yay! 

I beat people who spend all day on a nearly empty forum waiting for someone to answer questions.


Oh no but I am waiting for that answer so if you're done with the bullsh*t grandstanding  how about an answer.

 
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Weisshaupt on January 22, 2019, 05:40:48 PM


Ah....personal attacks.   Not waiting for an answer but pretending you "ran me off."



That was no  more a personal attack than accusing us of being  "detached from reality", the sorts who  " vote for people who don't represent you and you pretend it's a "lesser" evil." , and being vainglorious.

You see and describe reality differently. I don't take it personally. You apparently can't take it as you dish it.

Since you didn't answer ( and still haven't answered) I took a guess as to what you would say, based on what you have already said.
Nothing would be easier than simply saying "No, your guess was wrong" and then explaining your real answer.
The fact that you didn't do that, and instead accused me of a "personal attack", speaks volumes about your intentions here, does it not?

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: John Florida on January 22, 2019, 08:59:29 PM
  can somebody put this on the launch pad.    ::vafancoul:: ::effu::  ::asskicking::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on January 23, 2019, 07:46:18 AM
Told ya!  Full of sh*t.

Just wants to pontificate, not interested in sharing real thoughts and answering direct questions is totally off-limits.

Poor fella just wants adulation for showing up here and...demonstrating his skill...

(https://images2.imgbox.com/0a/04/rppO4KfF_o.gif)

(https://images3.imgbox.com/f8/bd/PlEvHS5Y_o.gif)

And I agree with Weisshaupt...his debate style if you can call it that is classic proglodyte...reminds me of the old PL forum days...especially he-who-shall-not-be-named...and if not a paid Russian troll...well then, it can only mean he has a masochistic nature because nobody here is a dunce that will read his dreck and become an adoring apostle.  And to do that without financial renumeration?  Totally nuts.  Meh, latter day Earth, sh*t happens.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on January 25, 2019, 07:33:21 AM
If Mother Russia is the cradle of truth, justice, prosperity and freedom...

...then why are their wealthy elite making baby anchors in America (https://www.france24.com/en/20190125-rich-russians-flock-florida-deliver-american-babies)?

It's got to be a ploy, eh?

 ::pokeineye::

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: DocTrock on January 25, 2019, 09:20:15 AM
because nobody here is a dunce that will read his dreck and become an adoring apostle. 

Let me fix your statement.

First, I'll ignore all the personal attacks and delete them from the orginal statement, which I have done above.

Then,  I'll correct the final statement that has already has the personal attacks removed in order to allow for reality:

nobody here

There ya go.   There is no one here.   1 or 2 people do all the posting.   
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on January 25, 2019, 09:39:38 AM
Another typical contribution...

(https://images3.imgbox.com/a5/49/pmLeSsLZ_o.png)

(https://images2.imgbox.com/e4/12/RrEKFGqC_o.gif)

(https://images2.imgbox.com/08/1d/ZAdbYMIm_o.gif)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Pandora on January 25, 2019, 10:14:35 AM
because nobody here is a dunce that will read his dreck and become an adoring apostle. 

Let me fix your statement.

First, I'll ignore all the personal attacks and delete them from the orginal statement, which I have done above.

Then,  I'll correct the final statement that has already has the personal attacks removed in order to allow for reality:

nobody here

There ya go.   There is no one here.   1 or 2 people do all the posting.   

So what? and what's it to you?  This our place, has been for some time, and how and when we respond/post is our business. 

I read everything posted here; I don't always have something to add, but I know when I have something to "say", I can come here to do so.

This is "home" for more than a few people, and as you have been invited in, it would behoove you to not crap any further in our living room.  Capisce?
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: benb61 on January 25, 2019, 10:31:51 AM
because nobody here is a dunce that will read his dreck and become an adoring apostle. 

Let me fix your statement.

First, I'll ignore all the personal attacks and delete them from the orginal statement, which I have done above.

Then,  I'll correct the final statement that has already has the personal attacks removed in order to allow for reality:

nobody here

There ya go.   There is no one here.   1 or 2 people do all the posting.   

So what? and what's it to you?  This our place, has been for some time, and how and when we respond/post is our business. 

I read everything posted here; I don't always have something to add, but I know when I have something to "say", I can come here to do so.

This is "home" for more than a few people, and as you have been invited in, it would behoove you to not crap any further in our living room.  Capisce?

I also read every word, and you tend to deflect and not answer like the typical Libiot.  Just because I don't enter the fray, does not meant that I am not observing, Libertas, John Florida, Weisshaupt are far more capable of debating than I. 

I have just one series of questions for you.  Where are you from (Country) and where do you currently live (Country)?  If they are different countries, are you a legal citizen of the one you live in?  If you live in the USA and are a citizen, who did you vote for in 2016 for president? 

Now that you have been called out by multiple people, I truly expect you will A) Deflect, B) just not answer or C) just run away.  Or some combination of those. 

Ball is in your court.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Weisshaupt on January 25, 2019, 10:32:42 AM

So what? and what's it to you?  This our place, has been for some time, and how and when we respond/post is our business. 

No, No, he is right Pan.  We should have some dictatorial edict that we all post on a set schedule,  just to nod our heads and admit the truth or at least the  current truth, as determined by Doc, or we get booted from the forum.. after all we are just lonely, silly game playing , reality denying,  , vainglorious loosers participating in a dead forum ( but that isn't a personal attack you understand)

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: John Florida on January 25, 2019, 10:38:11 AM
because nobody here is a dunce that will read his dreck and become an adoring apostle. 

Let me fix your statement.

First, I'll ignore all the personal attacks and delete them from the orginal statement, which I have done above.

Then,  I'll correct the final statement that has already has the personal attacks removed in order to allow for reality:

nobody here

There ya go.   There is no one here.   1 or 2 people do all the posting.   
  Why don't you stop blowing you're own horn and answer the questions people have asked.   Who did you vote for in the last election????   And thank you for blessing us with your presence .
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on January 25, 2019, 11:23:02 AM
His view of participation is odd by normal standards...

(https://images2.imgbox.com/38/d0/pkPsiicL_o.gif)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: John Florida on January 25, 2019, 02:54:42 PM
  Must be out for lunch.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Pandora on January 25, 2019, 03:29:37 PM
Perhaps, in view of my post to him, it would be politic to just leave it, yah?
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: DocTrock on January 25, 2019, 03:45:11 PM
 
 Why don't you stop blowing you're own horn and answer the questions people have asked.   Who did you vote for in the last election????   And thank you for blessing us with your presence .

I do not vote in US elections.   I only vote FOR candidates.  I do not vote against them.  Therefore, I cannot vote for people who will not represent me.

Lemme guess....you voted for Trump?
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: DocTrock on January 25, 2019, 03:46:31 PM
  Must be out for lunch.

INdeed, I had several dozen much more important things to do than be here.

I'm bored to tears.   Send me off with a fanfare of negativity and personal attacks!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Alphabet Soup on January 25, 2019, 04:37:19 PM
Perhaps, in view of my post to him, it would be politic to just leave it, yah?

Let's see, he's lectured us. He's insulted us. He's ignored attempts to find a positive way forward. And (possibly worst of all) he's bored us. I say send him on his way.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: John Florida on January 25, 2019, 05:24:36 PM
  Must be out for lunch.

INdeed, I had several dozen much more important things to do than be here.

I'm bored to tears.   Send me off with a fanfare of negativity and personal attacks!


  You want to leave be a man and leave on your own.  Tell yourself what makes you feel good about yourself.  Hell I'll give the out myself..... were boring and too stupid to keep up with you so you have decided to move on to someplace that isn't board with you.

  You're not the first asshole to show up here and you won't be the last.

  We may not meet with your approval but then again we're not looking for your approval to start with.  The shame of it is that what you lost was the possibility of making friends but you just had to prove not worthy of our friendship.


   The losers as you see us have been together for years through good times and horrific times we supported each other through losses sickness and emotional down times and were still together you on the other hand are happy to tell yourself that you won?    I don't know what you won but I would bet that you lost a hell of a lot that you can't even understand.


   So have a nice miserable life by your miserable self.  Where you can give yourself a participation trophy all day every day.

   ::vafancoul::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: IronDioPriest on January 25, 2019, 06:01:02 PM
Maybe it’s just me... when I’m a guest in someone else’s house, I treat them with respect. I don’t antagonize, belittle, or pick arguments. The freedom to speak freely exists here. That doesn’t mean that bad manners are welcome. They’re not. Not at all.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Weisshaupt on January 25, 2019, 06:20:09 PM
Perhaps, in view of my post to him, it would be politic to just leave it, yah?

Seconded
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on January 27, 2019, 01:58:34 PM
IIRC he is down in Uruguay, the land of same sex marriages and cannabis...as well as the land of the virulently anti-tobacco...they also have something on their books against femicide whatever that means...typically anything specific is unequal by definition...and individual rights as to firearms is universally described as "restrictive"...and their President has been cozy with such forward-thinking regimes as Cuba and the Theocracy of Iran...so it is probably obvious where his political sentiments reside given this and his previous statements extolling the virtues of Russia and China.

And for someone so bored and yet oddly interested in impressing just a few people...not sure why he is here at all...except to tease.  I can only suspect he finds little encouragement anywhere.

Shocking, right?

/

(https://images3.imgbox.com/ba/2b/50hAmfmc_o.gif)

No beef, just...

(https://images2.imgbox.com/fa/f6/Y3o0WBQ5_o.gif)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on January 27, 2019, 02:27:55 PM
OK , enough of that...BOT!

These Euro-Elite are totally psychotic and ignorant!

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/25/fight-europe-wreckers-patriots-nationalist (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/25/fight-europe-wreckers-patriots-nationalist)

They sound like the moonbat leftists here and the DeepState overlords and Presstitutes!

Russians under every bed!

Hey, remember when old time hippie liberals believed populism was good?  Yeah, it's good if it works for them...it reveals their true fascist nature when it works against them!

They are for elite mob rule and giving crumbs and circus to the rabble on the street!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/25/europe-coming-apart-before-our-eyes-say-30-top-intellectuals (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/25/europe-coming-apart-before-our-eyes-say-30-top-intellectuals)

Salvini describes them well - “the Europe of the elites, banks, finance, immigration and precarious work”.

They haven't the slightest idea the people are pissed off and not in a mood to take their sh*t any longer...and heap the usual labels at them - xenophobe, islamophobe, yadda yadda yadda...it makes it easier to ignore their complaints and paint them the enemy of their brave new world.  What really is scaring the piss out of them is losing their power.  They belch out blather about "political voluntarism" which is the preference of will over intellect in making decisions...an idea that goes back to antiquity and gets recycled now and then...it is of course laughable bullsh*t.  It is the elevation desires over reason in making decisions.  I'm sure Hitler saw himself as very will-based.

The elites are running scarred and issuing manifesto's and getting triggered over free-thinking people in yellow vests and MAGA hats.

I say make them more afraid! 

 ::evilbat::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Pandora on January 27, 2019, 04:59:43 PM
http://voxday.blogspot.com/2019/01/remain-embraces-leave.html (http://voxday.blogspot.com/2019/01/remain-embraces-leave.html)

Quote
If the British Members of Parliament are foolish enough to force a second referendum on leaving the European Union on the British people, they're going to be shocked by how many more people vote for Leave. As a result of their devious, anti-democratic machinations, even die-hard Remainers are publicly endorsing No Deal Brexit.


There's another link at the link for the original article.  Informative.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: John Florida on January 27, 2019, 05:17:53 PM
While they did not make any practical calls to action, the manifesto’s signatories said they “refuse to resign themselves to this looming catastrophe”. They counted themselves among the “too quiet” European patriots who understand that “three-quarters of a century after the defeat of fascism and 30 years after the fall of the Berlin wall, a new battle for civilisation is under way”.

Despite its “mistakes, lapses, and occasional acts of cowardice”, Europe remains “the second home of every free man and woman on the planet”, they say, noting with regret the widely held but mistaken belief of their generation that “the continent would come together on its own, without our labour”.

Pro-Europeans “no longer have a choice”, they say. “We must sound the alarm against the arsonists of soul and spirit that, from Paris to Rome, with stops in Barcelona, Budapest, Dresden, Vienna, or Warsaw, are playing with the fire of our freedoms.”


  They talk of themselves as if the people that don't agree with are anti Europe or traitors "arsonists of soul and spirit?  These bungholes talk about the people as if they don't matter because they're stupid?  And the freedoms they speak of is their freedom to do what they want to the people just like Nazi Fascists of the past.

  These people need to meet a rope and a light pole.     In short "the rabble must do what they're told to do like it or not because it's for the greater good". 
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: AlanS on January 27, 2019, 08:27:14 PM
While they did not make any practical calls to action, the manifesto’s signatories said they “refuse to resign themselves to this looming catastrophe”. They counted themselves among the “too quiet” European patriots who understand that “three-quarters of a century after the defeat of fascism and 30 years after the fall of the Berlin wall, a new battle for civilisation is under way”.

Despite its “mistakes, lapses, and occasional acts of cowardice”, Europe remains “the second home of every free man and woman on the planet”, they say, noting with regret the widely held but mistaken belief of their generation that “the continent would come together on its own, without our labour”.

Pro-Europeans “no longer have a choice”, they say. “We must sound the alarm against the arsonists of soul and spirit that, from Paris to Rome, with stops in Barcelona, Budapest, Dresden, Vienna, or Warsaw, are playing with the fire of our freedoms.”


  They talk of themselves as if the people that don't agree with are anti Europe or traitors "arsonists of soul and spirit?  These bungholes talk about the people as if they don't matter because they're stupid?  And the freedoms they speak of is their freedom to do what they want to the people just like Nazi Fascists of the past.

  These people need to meet a rope and a light pole.     In short "the rabble must do what they're told to do like it or not because it's for the greater good".

They speak like the arrogant assholes they are. Rope/light pole would be too good for them, although it would suffice.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on January 28, 2019, 08:42:16 AM
While they did not make any practical calls to action, the manifesto’s signatories said they “refuse to resign themselves to this looming catastrophe”. They counted themselves among the “too quiet” European patriots who understand that “three-quarters of a century after the defeat of fascism and 30 years after the fall of the Berlin wall, a new battle for civilisation is under way”.

Despite its “mistakes, lapses, and occasional acts of cowardice”, Europe remains “the second home of every free man and woman on the planet”, they say, noting with regret the widely held but mistaken belief of their generation that “the continent would come together on its own, without our labour”.

Pro-Europeans “no longer have a choice”, they say. “We must sound the alarm against the arsonists of soul and spirit that, from Paris to Rome, with stops in Barcelona, Budapest, Dresden, Vienna, or Warsaw, are playing with the fire of our freedoms.”


  They talk of themselves as if the people that don't agree with are anti Europe or traitors "arsonists of soul and spirit?  These bungholes talk about the people as if they don't matter because they're stupid?  And the freedoms they speak of is their freedom to do what they want to the people just like Nazi Fascists of the past.

  These people need to meet a rope and a light pole.     In short "the rabble must do what they're told to do like it or not because it's for the greater good".

They speak like the arrogant assholes they are. Rope/light pole would be too good for them, although it would suffice.

Agreed.  Much too good.

It's that "political voluntarism" will (desire) vs intellect (reason) thing...will is nice...but we know their will has nothing noble about it like the ancient Greeks meant...but these elites see themselves as noble in act and station, and that is what people have had enough of!  They cannot admit this, nor can they admit their role in fueling the flames that will destroy them.

Too bad for them I am all out of eff's to give...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on May 13, 2019, 07:40:03 AM
Heh, Brexit Party leading the Brit contingent and now Le Pen throws honor into the face of the unholy Macron!

https://twitter.com/V_of_Europe/status/1127555968081039360

Heh!  Well played!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: John Florida on May 13, 2019, 07:19:57 PM
  Throwing honor in Macrons face is a wasted effort on him.  People like him have their own vision of what they are no matter how wrong they believe what they chose and nothing else is right.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on May 14, 2019, 06:52:08 AM
True, they have more in common with Monarch's of the past...who if the people could only recall history accurately rose up and slew their Lord's who ruled them only by right of birth!   ;)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on May 28, 2019, 07:38:05 AM
https://metro.co.uk/2019/05/27/nigel-farage-become-prime-minister-brexit-party-9695684/

Raise heck, no prisoners, no compromises!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: John Florida on May 28, 2019, 02:46:55 PM
https://metro.co.uk/2019/05/27/nigel-farage-become-prime-minister-brexit-party-9695684/

Raise heck, no prisoners, no compromises!



  YUP!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on July 11, 2019, 12:15:38 PM
Merkel lead the EU suicide pact with the Death Cult...so...

https://nypost.com/2019/07/10/merkel-spotted-shaking-for-third-time-in-less-than-a-month/

...just die already...

 ::smallestviolin::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: John Florida on July 11, 2019, 09:14:29 PM
Merkel lead the EU suicide pact with the Death Cult...so...

https://nypost.com/2019/07/10/merkel-spotted-shaking-for-third-time-in-less-than-a-month/

...just die already...

 ::smallestviolin::

   ::falldownshocked:: 
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on July 15, 2019, 07:45:24 AM
Rooskies?

https://www.zdnet.com/article/european-gps-satellites-have-been-down-for-four-days-in-mysterious-outage/ (https://www.zdnet.com/article/european-gps-satellites-have-been-down-for-four-days-in-mysterious-outage/)

Don't care, Eurotard problem.

Don't look to us to give a rats ass!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on January 02, 2020, 11:48:41 AM
In chaos there is opportunity.

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/russia-goes-global-gas-dominance (https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/russia-goes-global-gas-dominance)

OK, aside from the humorous implications behind the "Putin has laid the foundations of global gas export dominance" quip that to be against this dominance is to be against world peace, puppies, kittens, blah blah blah...my biggest takeaway is for an immediate declaration by President Trump that if the Eurotard's proceed with becoming Russia's bitch then there is no reason for us to be present to protect them from their new master...NATO is dissolved!

 ::danceban::   ::newyear::   ::cool::   ::bustamove::   ::whoohoo::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on April 20, 2021, 08:55:38 AM
I see this as having little impact...maybe push the bubble a bit towards France...but whatever one or both always dominate...so the trajectory isn't likely to deviate...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/conservative-laschet-will-be-german-ruling-partys-candidate-chancellor-first-post (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/conservative-laschet-will-be-german-ruling-partys-candidate-chancellor-first-post)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on September 20, 2021, 08:19:26 AM
Nearly a thousand migrants from Africa, Asia and the Middle East have attempted to cross the English Channel on small boats in just one day to illegally get into the United Kingdom. The record-breaking surge in illegal crossings is being facilitated by warm weather and calm seas.

The British government is struggling to stop the crossings — partly because of its need for cooperation from France. British authorities have repeatedly accused their French counterparts of not doing enough to stop small boats from leaving French territorial waters.

Although the UK has pledged to pay France tens of millions of pounds to stop migrants crossing the Channel, French naval vessels are accused of escorting small boats into British waters.

French officials counter that the UK has not done enough to reduce the incentives that act as a magnet for migrants: not only are newcomers showered with generous social welfare benefits, but the UK's decision to scrap national identity cards, combined with its sizeable shadow economy, makes it easy for illegal immigrants to find work.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/uk-record-number-migrants-crossing-english-channel (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/uk-record-number-migrants-crossing-english-channel)

Uhh huh, yeah well...sounds like somebody needs to go to war with somebody...who declares first doesn't seem to matter...both are criminally culpable...

And as far as energy goes...

https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/skyrocketing-energy-prices-could-cripple-europes-economy (https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/skyrocketing-energy-prices-could-cripple-europes-economy)

Whatever...y'all made your choices...it's only your problem most of them were stupid...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: ToddF on September 20, 2021, 08:43:01 AM
Sink the boats.  That's what was done to invaders, once upon a time.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Pandora on September 20, 2021, 09:39:10 AM
Sink the boats.  That's what was done to invaders, once upon a time.

Precisely!!!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on September 22, 2021, 08:35:11 AM
And on top of all their other self-inflicted wounds...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/iea-demands-russia-deliver-more-gas-reeling-europe (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/iea-demands-russia-deliver-more-gas-reeling-europe)

...remember, when approaching your new master...be on your knees and best behavior when begging...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: ToddF on September 22, 2021, 10:24:40 AM
It's not so great here, either.  Been looking at your gas bill, lately?  Mine just went over $20, just running the water heater.  Come winter it will probably be double what last winter's bills were.  The gas cost has been rising every month.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on September 22, 2021, 11:12:58 AM
Yes, that's the intent...don't-drill/don't-explore/don't-pipeline/no-new-plants/no-infrastructure-upgrades JoeFraud/HeelsUpHarris plan...in conjunction with other intentional acts of treason...to destroy America and its people sufficiently to make totalitarian seizure of power complete and unchallengeable...or so the psychotic despots think...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on September 27, 2021, 08:26:40 AM
Killing domestic resources...blind obedience to Gaia...and living at the mercy of a perpetual rival still confused about its place in the world...

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/harsh-truth-behind-europes-energy-crisis (https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/harsh-truth-behind-europes-energy-crisis)

The Euro's are just a bit ahead of us in the rush to national suicide...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on October 26, 2021, 08:31:00 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/polish-pm-says-eu-holding-gun-our-head-over-funds-could-start-ww3 (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/polish-pm-says-eu-holding-gun-our-head-over-funds-could-start-ww3)

Well then...spank those silly little sprouts in Brussels...

 ::popcorn::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on October 26, 2021, 01:48:18 PM
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/polish-pm-says-eu-holding-gun-our-head-over-funds-could-start-ww3 (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/polish-pm-says-eu-holding-gun-our-head-over-funds-could-start-ww3)

Well then...spank those silly little sprouts in Brussels...

 ::popcorn::

The EU told Poland to change the way they run their judicial system. It related to the retirement age of judges being changed. Poland caved but later said their laws are not subject to EU rule.

The Duran guys cover this issue.

This is very long
https://youtu.be/-YPA32ujQAM (https://youtu.be/-YPA32ujQAM)
Poland vs. The European Union (Live)

https://youtu.be/RDEkU-xh17c (https://youtu.be/RDEkU-xh17c)
EU energy policy puts politics ahead of people (Part 2)

https://thegoaspotlight.com/2021/10/16/yatsenyuk-said-that-ukraine-lost-5-billion-due-to-untimely-purchase-of-gas-gazeta-ru/ (https://thegoaspotlight.com/2021/10/16/yatsenyuk-said-that-ukraine-lost-5-billion-due-to-untimely-purchase-of-gas-gazeta-ru/)

Yatsenyuk said that Ukraine lost $ 5 billion due to untimely purchase of gas – Gazeta.Ru
...
The current government in Ukraine should be held accountable for not purchasing gas at a lower price and now overpaying. This is on the air of the TV channel “Ukraine-24 “ said former Prime Minister of Ukraine Arseniy Yatsenyuk.

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on November 10, 2021, 08:15:52 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/le-pen-warns-hungarians-avoid-fate-france (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/le-pen-warns-hungarians-avoid-fate-france)

Good message...but as we see here with our own Marxist filth and their non-stop campaigns to destroy America...warnings not taken are a severe indictment upon citizens who lazily cave in like bed-wetting cowards and numb themselves with an insane rationalization that it won't affect them and everything will be fine...

They better hope God forgives them...as far as I can tell their treacherous appeasement only induces desires to expedite the meeting...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on November 10, 2021, 10:23:46 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/le-pen-warns-hungarians-avoid-fate-france (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/le-pen-warns-hungarians-avoid-fate-france)

Good message...but as we see here with our own Marxist filth and their non-stop campaigns to destroy America...warnings not taken are a severe indictment upon citizens who lazily cave in like bed-wetting cowards and numb themselves with an insane rationalization that it won't affect them and everything will be fine...

They better hope God forgives them...as far as I can tell their treacherous appeasement only induces desires to expedite the meeting...

The Duran guys keep on top the the EU vs nations. The EU is power mad and wants Poland to submit.  Poland made some changes to their judicial system and the EU said they cannot make those changes. Poland kinda caved but said that their constitution is not subject to EU over ride. The EU wants to withhold funds from Poland.

Poland is not in the Eurozone which gives them more leverage. The EU wants only the EU to buy Russian gas then have control of it. Hungary recently bought some directly. The EU wants to form an EU army.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on December 09, 2021, 10:01:26 AM
LOL!  Merkel "conservative"!   ::hysterical::

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/scholz-takes-over-german-chancellor-ending-merkel-era (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/scholz-takes-over-german-chancellor-ending-merkel-era)

Stasi whore Merkel is a statist...lefty Olaf more so in a Marxist direction...

Europe is so screwed...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on December 13, 2021, 12:34:08 PM
https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/european-gas-and-power-prices-jump-supply-shortage-fears-erupt (https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/european-gas-and-power-prices-jump-supply-shortage-fears-erupt)

Right on cue...and perfectly timed to winter and Ukraine, Belarus and Poland flashpoints...

Looks bullish for misery, suffering and death...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on December 13, 2021, 06:31:45 PM
Germany is going to punish Russia by denying itself Russian gas from Nordstream 2.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on December 14, 2021, 11:19:56 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/european-gas-prices-hit-record-high-germany-blocks-nord-stream-2 (https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/european-gas-prices-hit-record-high-germany-blocks-nord-stream-2)

Bullish for suffering and war.

 ::smallestviolin::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on December 22, 2021, 09:37:11 AM
European gas prices surged to another high after Mallnow station along the Yamal-Europe pipeline reported no Russian inflows for Tuesday.
(https://assets.zerohedge.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_mobile/public/inline-images/yamal%20pipeline%20teaser.jpg)
Gazprom didn’t book any capacity to transport gas through the pipeline for Wednesday either, suggesting that gas is now flowing back to Russia.
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/mallnow-more-mall-later (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/mallnow-more-mall-later)

Commodity traders with uncommitted LNG cargos from the Atlantic basin headed to Asia via LNG carriers are changing their routes to supply European customers willing to pay a hefty premium.
https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/commodity-traders-find-huge-arbitrage-opportunity-lng-ships-head-europe (https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/commodity-traders-find-huge-arbitrage-opportunity-lng-ships-head-europe)

Apparently premiums to friendlies vs adversaries.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on December 23, 2021, 12:11:02 PM
https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/us-sends-fleet-lng-ships-fuel-starved-europe (https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/us-sends-fleet-lng-ships-fuel-starved-europe)

Well, yeah...who doesn't want to grab premiums when the grabbing is good?
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on December 23, 2021, 06:08:12 PM


I read two things. Russia did not book capacity in some pipeline and Russia is fulfilling all contracts. Maybe both are true. Maybe Germany should not have shut down their nukes, huh?  I think Germany/UK may have shut down coal plants but are burning more coal?

"You can ignore reality but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality." - Ayn Rand
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on December 24, 2021, 11:16:26 AM
Yeah, and France has age/quality control issues with its plants and keeps shutting one down after another...making things more difficult...

But, what dooms them first?  Resources...or invaders?
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on December 24, 2021, 12:08:49 PM
Yeah, and France has age/quality control issues with its plants and keeps shutting one down after another...making things more difficult...

But, what dooms them first?  Resources...or invaders?

I did not know that. I read that France may build new nuke plants. They are not lemmings running over the cliff like the 'green' EU and UK as I understand them.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on December 24, 2021, 12:29:07 PM
Yeah, and France has age/quality control issues with its plants and keeps shutting one down after another...making things more difficult...

But, what dooms them first?  Resources...or invaders?

I did not know that. I read that France may build new nuke plants. They are not lemmings running over the cliff like the 'green' EU and UK as I understand them.

Yeah, want them smaller modular ones...can't build 'em fast enough to save them from several years of hardship...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on January 07, 2022, 09:02:24 AM
Heh!

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/escobar-maidan-almaty-oh-yeah-its-complicated (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/escobar-maidan-almaty-oh-yeah-its-complicated)

The anti-nukers are going to be pissed and the greenies.   ::hysterical::

And the greenies are going to be pissed at BigAir. 

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/lufthansa-operated-18000-unnecessary-flights-winter-maintain-its-take-and-landing-rights (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/lufthansa-operated-18000-unnecessary-flights-winter-maintain-its-take-and-landing-rights)   ::hysterical::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on January 15, 2022, 01:14:31 PM
I like the cut of this Dutch MP Gideon van Meijeren's jib!

Not the usual "skinny pant beta male" types predominating the Olde World!

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/01/15/epic-must-watch-dutch-wolverine-throws-sand-into-the-propaganda-of-prime-minister-mark-rutte/#more-225230

 ::thumbsup::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on April 07, 2022, 08:32:17 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/former-french-intel-chief-all-multicultural-societies-are-doomed (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/former-french-intel-chief-all-multicultural-societies-are-doomed)

It's already past too late...

And...multi-culti/diversity BS is not strength, it is suicide...and Europe is only several years ahead of America...but with Biden removing the last obstacle on a fully open border on orders from his master (Obamao) that came from his master (Soros, Schwab & Globalist cabal) that came from the master of them all (Satan)....our day is coming faster...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on April 07, 2022, 04:35:23 PM
The Russian energy ban will destroy German industry.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on April 07, 2022, 04:51:15 PM
And throw all those Mohammadan's out of work and onto the streets with nothing to do but groom German girls to stay warm?

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on April 08, 2022, 11:16:01 AM
 ::ohno::

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/european-markets-freak-out-odds-le-pen-victory-french-presidential-elections-jump (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/european-markets-freak-out-odds-le-pen-victory-french-presidential-elections-jump)

Whatever...

Don't they have corrupt Soros machines and people too?

The Unholy Macron is above fraud?  Ha!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on April 13, 2022, 08:26:03 AM
And the French free-for-all begins in earnest...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/le-pen-closing-gap-french-election-polls-macron-smears-opponent-over-putin-links (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/le-pen-closing-gap-french-election-polls-macron-smears-opponent-over-putin-links)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on April 14, 2022, 08:54:07 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/frances-le-pen-urges-future-strategic-rapprochement-between-nato-russia (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/frances-le-pen-urges-future-strategic-rapprochement-between-nato-russia)

See the despotic mobocracy group-think: Engaging in dialogue with Russia = Russia apologist....being against direct involvement in Ukraine = Russia apologist...and that's just their prettied up rhetoric...they usually scream "Russia collaborator"...

BS, makes sense to engage your rivals, doesn't mean your pals or in cahoots...just like it makes sense to allow any people to defend themselves so others don't have to...

Common Sense...intellectual honesty...decency, morals, ethics...they are dead in the Orwellian rules based order these dumbocratizers are pushing...or redefined such that their meanings are like the walking dead...zombie principles for dead souls...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on April 23, 2022, 01:34:53 PM
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/macron-claims-banning-islamic-veil-would-spark-civil-war-france (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/macron-claims-banning-islamic-veil-would-spark-civil-war-france)

Well, they planted the sapling of Islam and tied a rope from it around their necks and watered it...

ETA - Here we go, allowing the Death Cult to take root and grow...

(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f42be5212a36f518298d3ced96bb1f95846baeea5bcd20b108a6e7354e54ff43.jpg)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on April 25, 2022, 08:23:26 AM
Apparently, if pollsters and counters are to be trusted...and I do not...the Unholy Macron remains the leader of a dying French Republic in name only...

https://thelibertydaily.com/globalist-elite-emmanuel-macron-wins-french-election/

...so Europe's trajectory looks doomed any way you look at it...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on April 25, 2022, 11:18:52 AM

I read Macron was going to be the effective head of the EU now. If the EU blocks all Russian gas and oil they are really screwed. I also read that in the primary election the far left candidates and greens got around 1/3 of the vote. About the same as Le Pen.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on April 25, 2022, 11:30:23 AM
Well with another winter several months away...the freezing will have to be postponed and let Islam, economic misery and starvation fill the void...

As for new EU members...Austria (aren't they all Nazi's) reject Ukraine (probably not "white" enough)...so they can thank them for trying to deescalate a continental war...though the Cabalists occupying power back here will press ahead...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on April 29, 2022, 11:58:20 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/trump-was-right-putins-gas-strategy-gives-germany-only-bad-worse-choices (https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/trump-was-right-putins-gas-strategy-gives-germany-only-bad-worse-choices)

Yeah, well...if these Euro idiots had any ethics or morals...they'd would appear before the public and apologize to Trump and all of us who warned them to choose their master wisely...apologize for subjecting their people to freezing and starvation...and fall on their swords...

But we all know that won't happen...they'll merely work quietly behind the scenes on their own escape plans...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on June 14, 2022, 08:39:48 AM
Interesting...and quite possible...hang onto the core...lose the periphery...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/lagarde-capitulates-euro-zone-divides (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/lagarde-capitulates-euro-zone-divides)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on July 15, 2022, 01:24:55 PM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/macron-announces-street-lights-will-be-turned-response-energy-crisis (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/macron-announces-street-lights-will-be-turned-response-energy-crisis)

 ::hysterical::

And in the UK...a PM race where nobody wants to back out or accept a deal...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/5-candidates-uk-prime-minister-face-1st-tv-debate-tonight (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/5-candidates-uk-prime-minister-face-1st-tv-debate-tonight)

...with their post-BEXIT future in the balance...I suppose it will be one dumb utterance that sinks one after another...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on July 15, 2022, 04:01:49 PM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/macron-announces-street-lights-will-be-turned-response-energy-crisis (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/macron-announces-street-lights-will-be-turned-response-energy-crisis)

 ::hysterical::

And in the UK...a PM race where nobody wants to back out or accept a deal...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/5-candidates-uk-prime-minister-face-1st-tv-debate-tonight (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/5-candidates-uk-prime-minister-face-1st-tv-debate-tonight)

...with their post-BEXIT future in the balance...I suppose it will be one dumb utterance that sinks one after another...

Blaming Russia for this is a joke. The EU has been relying on 'green energy' and hopium for far too long. Germany shut down nukes and relied on hopium. Even the parts related to the Russian invasion are self inflicted.

There is an old saying "You can't control other's actions you can only control your own."  These countries cannot control Russian actions but they can control their own. Many elected to not pay for Russian gas or oil.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on July 16, 2022, 02:02:38 PM

2019 RAND study on how to weaken Russia. I recall the US backed a failed coup even assassination attempt over a year ago in Belarus.  I have no idea if US support for Chechen terrorists in South Caucuses increased since 2019.
I linked to 8:30.

https://youtu.be/QsgvYwFIVgM?t=506
 The US plan to fight Russia REVEALED in 2019 Report - Inside Russia Report
57,785 views  May 13, 2022  A report from the RAND Corporation, back in 2019…
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Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on July 18, 2022, 09:53:04 AM
Rand = Democrat

GIGO
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on August 18, 2022, 09:37:14 AM
Seems Europe is wanting to implode first...

A top German official has trashed people who may be planning to protest against energy blackouts as “enemies of the state” and “extremists” who want to overthrow the government.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/german-official-trashes-cost-living-protesters-enemies-state (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/german-official-trashes-cost-living-protesters-enemies-state)

Well, Herbert...BTW, so no nice you are Interior Minister of NRW, you have a face that resembles 20 miles of rough road into Dusseldorf...you are only partially correct...but I suspect as the calendar moves on...as friends look to themselves and have little to offer you...the Bear from the Steppes will approach...and we will see if you satisfy the freezing extremists...or fall prey to them...

(https://assets.zerohedge.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_mobile/public/inline-images/2022-08-17_13-04-52.jpg)H/T-ZH

It is coming...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on August 18, 2022, 11:27:53 AM
The Jan 6 protesters were 'insurrectionists.'
The Canadian truckers were 'seditionists.'
So the German protesters are 'enemies of the state.' Good to know.

The anti Russian sanctions were to cause regime change. They will, in the west.

Russian trolling video.
https://youtu.be/fgCrnZmfQys

Funny anti Russian version.
https://youtu.be/E-nE0XAe3Dk
also
 
https://youtu.be/dcISTiua2Dk
They show Lolita as great literature sarcastically. Actually, it is great literature. It is not a dirty book.
It was written in Paris and the US as I recall.

Jeremy Irons remade the movie version. It is true to the book.

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on August 18, 2022, 12:14:45 PM
Ya, first one "beautiful women" (young girls prancing through the wild-flowers)...they're going to get invaded by Democrats and Muslims!   ::hysterical::

Second one shows some of the reality, hey, we got DemoCommie-run cities to compete with that...   ::rolllaughing::

I might like the last one best...some fun stuff there man!   ;D
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on August 18, 2022, 03:16:29 PM
Ya, first one "beautiful women" (young girls prancing through the wild-flowers)...they're going to get invaded by Democrats and Muslims!   ::hysterical::

Second one shows some of the reality, hey, we got DemoCommie-run cities to compete with that...   ::rolllaughing::

I might like the last one best...some fun stuff there man!   ;D
I liked the wood burning three wheeled vehicle.
It looks like they couldn't find any ugly women for the sarcastic videos though.

In one they said fertile soil with a long line of people with flags. I could not figure that one out.
The one where they said Christianity and showed the priests fighting was from Ukraine. Some Ukr split off sect used a funeral to make some political anti Russian speech and maybe attack the Russian orthodox church. The Russian Orthodox priest hit him with the cross and buried the dead man at request of the mother.

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on August 18, 2022, 03:45:51 PM
Ya, first one "beautiful women" (young girls prancing through the wild-flowers)...they're going to get invaded by Democrats and Muslims!   ::hysterical::

Second one shows some of the reality, hey, we got DemoCommie-run cities to compete with that...   ::rolllaughing::

I might like the last one best...some fun stuff there man!   ;D
I liked the wood burning three wheeled vehicle.
It looks like they couldn't find any ugly women for the sarcastic videos though.

In one they said fertile soil with a long line of people with flags. I could not figure that one out.  Wasn't that when they showed a graveyard? 
The one where they said Christianity and showed the priests fighting was from Ukraine. Some Ukr split off sect used a funeral to make some political anti Russian speech and maybe attack the Russian orthodox church. The Russian Orthodox priest hit him with the cross and buried the dead man at request of the mother.

 ::hysterical::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on September 06, 2022, 08:36:36 AM
And once again Trump, we who can think...are proven 100% correct...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/russia-admits-weaponization-gas-halts-ns1-shipments-until-sanctions-lifted-eu-prepares (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/russia-admits-weaponization-gas-halts-ns1-shipments-until-sanctions-lifted-eu-prepares)

...anybody thinking energy would not be used as a weapon by Russia is, well...at best a dupe.

Hard to feel sorry for the Eurotards though...they were warned, they chose poorly...

 ::smallestviolin::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on September 06, 2022, 03:08:21 PM
Ya, first one "beautiful women" (young girls prancing through the wild-flowers)...they're going to get invaded by Democrats and Muslims!   ::hysterical::

Second one shows some of the reality, hey, we got DemoCommie-run cities to compete with that...   ::rolllaughing::

I might like the last one best...some fun stuff there man!   ;D
I liked the wood burning three wheeled vehicle.
It looks like they couldn't find any ugly women for the sarcastic videos though.

In one they said fertile soil with a long line of people with flags. I could not figure that one out.  Wasn't that when they showed a graveyard? 
The one where they said Christianity and showed the priests fighting was from Ukraine. Some Ukr split off sect used a funeral to make some political anti Russian speech and maybe attack the Russian orthodox church. The Russian Orthodox priest hit him with the cross and buried the dead man at request of the mother.

 ::hysterical::

There were two versions of the video. One said fertile soil and showed a grave yard. The other showed a long line of people with flags. ?????

I hate this "weaponizing energy" phrase because it does not map to actions.
Russia demanded payment into Gazprom bank where it could not be seized ("gas for rubles") and some countries refused then Russia shut off the gas. That statement I understand.

Thanks in part to poor reporting I do not know what is going on with the NS1 turbines. I would not put playing games past the Russians. As far as I can tell, the contract called for Siemens to ship the repaired turbines from Canada to Gazprom in Russia. Instead, it was shipped to some place in Germany to another company. Why?  So Canada and/or Siemens is playing some games as well. Russia may be using that as an excuse.

Russia is saying sanctions interfere with the turbine contract fulfillment. Supporting paperwork? Insurance? Tech support?
Now Russia says end sanction to get the gas flowing? Do they mean the sanctions are screwing up the turbine return?

If I were in charge AND cared about my citizens I would ship the turbine as agreed to and see what happens.  Also turn NS2 on and see what happens. Then we could see who is the limiting factor here. Clear as mud right now.

(https://i.imgur.com/XyILG4B.jpeg)
 
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on September 06, 2022, 03:12:52 PM
Gazprom trolls the EU.

https://youtu.be/n2b_0gfV_4E

Gazprom has published a video with an epic soundtrack "And winter will be big"
 

And the winter will be big ...
Here, look, across the river
Autumn is slowly dying
Waving yellow hand.
Wet aspens are crying,
Crying grandfather Arbat,
Crying blue Russia
Turned into leaf fall.
And, crushing the snowdrifts,
The sun shines in spring...
And the winter will be big -
Only dusk and snow.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Pandora on September 06, 2022, 04:22:44 PM
Russia's playing games?  The EU and NATO have sanctioned Russia up the arse (and confiscated property owned by Russians) and they expect Russia to trade with them in spite of?  Just because they need the fuel?  Are ya kidding me?   ::saywhat::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on September 07, 2022, 08:07:14 AM
And the punish states like Hungary and Poland for refusing to be lemmings...

I'm just going to post these 2 articles and (and some informative clips) and I am content to see nature take its course...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/eu-running-low-weapons-says-chief-diplomat (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/eu-running-low-weapons-says-chief-diplomat)

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/charles-gave-warns-europeans-are-mad-anger-and-it-will-worsen (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/charles-gave-warns-europeans-are-mad-anger-and-it-will-worsen)

https://youtu.be/caI_cqOOn6s (https://youtu.be/caI_cqOOn6s)

https://youtu.be/rsftwaJmiK4 (https://youtu.be/rsftwaJmiK4)

https://youtu.be/l3NS9DM8Nw8 (https://youtu.be/l3NS9DM8Nw8)

https://youtu.be/fZPW7O3gOEo (https://youtu.be/fZPW7O3gOEo)

Say 'good night' Gracie.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on September 07, 2022, 09:18:44 AM
Russia's playing games?  The EU and NATO have sanctioned Russia up the arse (and confiscated property owned by Russians) and they expect Russia to trade with them in spite of?  Just because they need the fuel?  Are ya kidding me?   ::saywhat::

I try to figure out what is going on. What annoys me is when the reporting is so poor I cannot figure out what might be going on. Sometimes like the 'gas for rubles' scheme it is easy. The whole turbine thing is reported so badly that I have to guess that Russia might be playing games, or not. Impossible to tell.

Most of the time the EU brought this on themselves. It is not the Russian invasion but the EU reaction that caused the problems.  The MSM sure keeps quiet about Kiev shutting down the northern pipeline to spite the Donbass which also ended 1/4 to 1/3 of gas to Germany.

I think that the sanctions violated or interfered with lots of contracts. I find it amusing when the EU then accuses Russia of violating contracts. Like refusing to give back all the leased planes inside Russia.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on September 08, 2022, 09:20:32 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/metal-producers-group-warns-eu-leaders-worsening-energy-crisis-existential-threat-our (https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/metal-producers-group-warns-eu-leaders-worsening-energy-crisis-existential-threat-our)

Death throes...and they are unable to reverse course...

The definition of insanity.

And the insanity is here too...we get to enjoy higher natural gas prices this winter too...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/09/07/eu-commission-announces-5-point-plan-for-energy-crisis-including-increased-imports-of-u-s-natural-gas-driving-up-prices-for-u-s-consumers/ (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/09/07/eu-commission-announces-5-point-plan-for-energy-crisis-including-increased-imports-of-u-s-natural-gas-driving-up-prices-for-u-s-consumers/)

(https://gfp-2a3tnpzj.stackpathdns.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/how-to-care-for-a-pregnant-dog.jpg)H/T-CTH
America is the bitch...Europe is the pups...

We should be applying a liberal amount of heat under these jackass' butts!!!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on September 09, 2022, 08:54:43 AM
One of the German diplomats who snickered when then-President Donald Trump said Germany would “become totally dependent on Russian energy” didn’t respond to a question on whether his views have changed as rising energy costs amidst the war in Ukraine seem to prove Trump right.

Trump made the remarks during a speech to the United Nations General Assembly in Sept. 2018. Trump said during the same speech: “Reliance on a single foreign supplier can leave a nation vulnerable to extortion and intimidation.”
https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/german-who-laughed-trump-un-wont-comment-presidents-warning-coming-true (https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/german-who-laughed-trump-un-wont-comment-presidents-warning-coming-true)

(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3f870d27c451d46c706c1c5a949faa0901007830255b670982178e774fe49dc4.jpg)

Enjoy your collapse into anarchy and madness...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on September 26, 2022, 09:43:49 AM
She's feisty, unapologetic about being normal...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1574251105940377607

...no wonder the EuroSocialists are scared sh*tless of her...

 :D

"God, country, family"  "never be slaves"

Amen!

 ::clapping::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on September 26, 2022, 10:37:38 AM
She's feisty, unapologetic about being normal...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1574251105940377607

...no wonder the EuroSocialists are scared sh*tless of her...

 :D

"God, country, family"  "never be slaves"

Amen!

 ::clapping::

WOW. Just WOW. Her and Orban. I know that many hate Putin but he has been saying similar things about traditional values.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on September 26, 2022, 01:51:39 PM
She's feisty, unapologetic about being normal...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1574251105940377607

...no wonder the EuroSocialists are scared sh*tless of her...

 :D

"God, country, family"  "never be slaves"

Amen!

 ::clapping::

WOW. Just WOW. Her and Orban. I know that many hate Putin but he has been saying similar things about traditional values.

The Duran talked about her
In short
She has no govt experience and should lean on Berlusconi and others.
The EU demands total obedience and will play hard ball.
The EU will use the Eurozone as extreme leverage, maybe refusing to sell as many Italian bonds?
She will have to reach out to other finance centers.
Italy has a large economy and has a lot of clout if she has nerves of steel.
https://youtu.be/LXF_BS3RkDc
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on September 26, 2022, 02:04:36 PM
She's feisty, unapologetic about being normal...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1574251105940377607

...no wonder the EuroSocialists are scared sh*tless of her...

 :D

"God, country, family"  "never be slaves"

Amen!

 ::clapping::

WOW. Just WOW. Her and Orban. I know that many hate Putin but he has been saying similar things about traditional values.

The Duran talked about her
In short
She has no govt experience and should lean on Berlusconi and others.
The EU demands total obedience and will play hard ball.
The EU will use the Eurozone as extreme leverage, maybe refusing to sell as many Italian bonds?
She will have to reach out to other finance centers.
Italy has a large economy and has a lot of clout if she has nerves of steel.
https://youtu.be/LXF_BS3RkDc

Italexit   :D
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on September 27, 2022, 09:06:24 AM
Let's see how the EuroThugs handle cold starving people...

https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/damage-nord-stream-pipelines-unprecedented-may-have-been-sabotaged (https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/damage-nord-stream-pipelines-unprecedented-may-have-been-sabotaged)

 ::realitycheck::

PS - It has to be the illegitimate corrupt JoeFraud regime...

https://twitter.com/lawyer4laws/status/1574703515917852674 (https://twitter.com/lawyer4laws/status/1574703515917852674)

Right?
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Pandora on September 27, 2022, 04:10:39 PM
Right!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on September 27, 2022, 09:17:22 PM
Let's see how the EuroThugs handle cold starving people...

https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/damage-nord-stream-pipelines-unprecedented-may-have-been-sabotaged (https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/damage-nord-stream-pipelines-unprecedented-may-have-been-sabotaged)

 ::realitycheck::

PS - It has to be the illegitimate corrupt JoeFraud regime...

https://twitter.com/lawyer4laws/status/1574703515917852674 (https://twitter.com/lawyer4laws/status/1574703515917852674)

Right?

I keep coming back to some quotes.
"Is reality optional?" Thomas Sowell
"You can ignore reality but you cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality" Ayn Rand
"The New Left- The Anti Industrial Revolution" book title by Ayn Rand.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on September 28, 2022, 08:12:12 AM
Right it is...

https://www.revolver.news/2022/09/neocon-anne-applebaum-polish-husband-thanks-usa-for-blowing-up-nord-stream/ (https://www.revolver.news/2022/09/neocon-anne-applebaum-polish-husband-thanks-usa-for-blowing-up-nord-stream/)

And, so totally coincidentally...(not!)...

https://ec.europa.eu/info/news/launch-baltic-pipe-2022-sep-27_en (https://ec.europa.eu/info/news/launch-baltic-pipe-2022-sep-27_en)

And the kiss of death...

German magazine Spiegel said the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) recently warned Berlin about the increasing signs of a possible planned attack on the Nord Stream pipeline system.

Spiegel reported, citing unnamed sources, that the CIA tipped off Berlin in the summer about possible attacks on NS1 and NS2.

...and attendant boilerplate script reading by the muppet drones...

CNN's White House and national security reporter Natasha Bertrand said the Biden administration "is not going to speculate on the cause" of the Nord Stream pipeline system damage to NS1 and NS2.

"The US stands ready to support European partners' efforts as they investigate," Bertrand said.

Another CNN national security reporter, Kylie Atwood, tweeted that US Secretary of State Antony Blinken said it would be "in no one's interest" if NS leaks were confirmed as the result of an attack or sabotage.

...and more proof the plan was in place long ago and was a JoeGFraud/EU scheme from the get-go...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1574767709258137606 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1574767709258137606)

https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/damage-nord-stream-pipelines-unprecedented-may-have-been-sabotaged (https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/damage-nord-stream-pipelines-unprecedented-may-have-been-sabotaged)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on September 29, 2022, 08:41:35 AM
an administration that sabotaged a major energy pipeline in an already energy-starved region creating a man made natural disaster and a needless escalation towards WW3 would never steal an election.-Brannon@Gab

https://gab.com/brannon1776/posts/109073424984941631 (https://gab.com/brannon1776/posts/109073424984941631)

of course not

/

"No Evidence" US Involved In Nord Stream Pipeline Attack Because Pentagon Says So
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/no-evidence-us-involved-nord-stream-pipeline-attack-because-pentagon-says-so (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/no-evidence-us-involved-nord-stream-pipeline-attack-because-pentagon-says-so)

 ::laughonfloor::

They better claim doing something well even if it's batshyt-crazy and stupid while they can before wokism makes the most challenging thing these clowns can do is use a bathroom!!!

 ::hysterical::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on September 30, 2022, 09:19:10 AM
(https://media.gab.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=875,quality=100,fit=scale-down/system/media_attachments/files/116/890/099/original/b0e95b42684a06a9.jpg)
H/T-WRSA@GAB
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Pandora on September 30, 2022, 12:50:21 PM
Oh, pu-leeze.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on October 03, 2022, 08:35:24 AM
Let the willfully ignorant, stupid and deceitful explain why at the time of the "explosions" the only military presence in the area at that time was a cloaked US Navy P8 Poseidon that dropped from 25k to 10k over that area after topping off with fuel from KC135 BART12 over Poland...

Check this out starting around 10:40 mark - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jfpw9I01J0o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jfpw9I01J0o)

What is not known is what other assets were under the water in that area at the time...no other significant military surface ships anywhere near the area and the the P8 had contact with something foreign...they are obviously not saying...they're not saying anything...which is saying something...

ETA -

White Knight - Baltic Pipe

(https://assets.zerohedge.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_mobile/public/inline-images/GS_EDK_thumb.png)
https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/gas-starts-flowing-poland-new-baltic-pipe-norway (https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/gas-starts-flowing-poland-new-baltic-pipe-norway)

UNSC meeting Friday to discuss NS issue...either Russia needs to present dome convincing evidence...or they'll join the shadow pipeline sabotage war...

Meanwhile, Gazprom cuts off Austria...

(https://assets.zerohedge.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_mobile/public/inline-images/pipes.jpg)
https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/russian-gas-stops-flowing-italy-after-problem-austria (https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/russian-gas-stops-flowing-italy-after-problem-austria)

And, in poorly veiled glee over NS going down...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/blinken-calls-sabotage-attacks-nord-stream-pipelines-tremendous-opportunity (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/blinken-calls-sabotage-attacks-nord-stream-pipelines-tremendous-opportunity)

...yes, a tremendous opportunity for statist pricks to retain hegemony over a bunch of sh*theaded fellow travelers in Western Europe we citizens would be better off without while heaping more livelihood and life-destroying economic burdens us with higher energy costs making us unwilling subsidizers of your batshyt-crazy larceny and power lust BS!!!

 ::doublebird::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on October 03, 2022, 02:17:44 PM

I only read that there was a lot of US military activity over the pipeline in the weeks before the explosion. It is not like they would have to be at the pipeline at the time of explosion or want to be. Maybe timers or remote detonation.

Also, the new Baltic pipeline carries 10 bcm vs 55 bcm each for NS1 and NS2.

Who will the Germans blame this winter?
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: benb61 on October 03, 2022, 03:40:11 PM

I only read that there was a lot of US military activity over the pipeline in the weeks before the explosion. It is not like they would have to be at the pipeline at the time of explosion or want to be. Maybe timers or remote detonation.

Also, the new Baltic pipeline carries 10 bcm vs 55 bcm each for NS1 and NS2.

Who will the Germans blame this winter?

Watch the MonkeyWorx Video Libertas pointed out, There was a P-8 In the immediate vicinity around the time the pipeline was wrecked.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on October 03, 2022, 04:55:11 PM
Correct. and the Baltic activity I believe Pat is referencing were the BALTOPS exercises, at a time when Russia and China were doing exercises all over the damn place too...the NOTAMs charts look like a blind old lady's knitted quilt!

Now, I have to run and talk my brother out of his bunker over some ship BS he heard that looks sketchy to me...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on October 05, 2022, 08:14:40 AM
OK, throw 'em into the Thunderdome...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/poland-formally-demands-13-trillion-reparations-germany-wwii-damages (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/poland-formally-demands-13-trillion-reparations-germany-wwii-damages)

 :D

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: ToddF on October 05, 2022, 01:38:38 PM
Germany probably won't have 1.3 trillion after their whole country implodes this winter.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on October 07, 2022, 08:36:48 AM
Burning trash...it'll become all the rage...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/polish-households-burn-trash-stay-warm-russian-sanctions-backfire (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/polish-households-burn-trash-stay-warm-russian-sanctions-backfire)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on October 10, 2022, 01:29:21 PM


https://youtu.be/lnMt5TUFu3Y
‘Won’t Solve Gas Problem,’ France Rejects Spain’s MidCat Pipeline
Europe’s urgent search for alternatives to Russian gas has provoked a tense stand-off between Spain and France. Last Friday, Spain’s energy minister Teresa Ribera condemned France for its selfish energy sustainment methods. Spain has urged France to look beyond its own national interests in the Midi-Catalonia gas pipeline issue. The Spanish foreign minister said it would be more "honest" for Emmanuel Macron to discuss the differences regarding EU’s moral unity openly. Germany and Spain have been pressurizing France to pay a huge sum of money for the multimillion MidCat gas pipeline project. France is saying it won’t pay up. So, why Spain’s quest to dig the MidCat pipeline through the Pyrenees Mountain is being blocked by French scepticism. Watch to know more.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on October 11, 2022, 09:11:42 AM
 ::smallestviolin::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on October 20, 2022, 11:45:12 AM
https://youtu.be/Iw-F-tvpgBo

See how long tolerance for psychotic diversity lasts when the freezing and starving happens...

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Pandora on October 20, 2022, 08:56:42 PM
Yep.  Then the DIE is really gonna mean something else.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on October 26, 2022, 09:18:09 AM
I already called for Italexit...been applauding Poland & Hungary telling Brussels to stuff it...Polexit, Hungrexit...it's all good...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/eu-driving-polexit (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/eu-driving-polexit)

EuroThugs are earning defiance.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on October 28, 2022, 10:34:07 AM
Excellent as always...

https://youtu.be/fz5oYdzm_Z8

...bunch of globalist-owned brain-dead groupie-cult lemmings...

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on October 31, 2022, 09:16:40 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/lets-get-out-nato-discontent-soars-across-europe-russian-sanctions-backfire (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/lets-get-out-nato-discontent-soars-across-europe-russian-sanctions-backfire)

Ha!  Your masters do not care what you think...your discontent has only just begun...

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on November 04, 2022, 11:35:46 AM
Europe...it's how you spell WEF-bitch...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/conspiracy-author-david-icke-banned-eu-labeled-terrorist (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/conspiracy-author-david-icke-banned-eu-labeled-terrorist)

 ::)

The Euro's just legitimized the guy and are too stupid to realize it...

 ::hysterical::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: ToddF on November 04, 2022, 12:51:50 PM
Quote
Icke was previously deplatformed by multiple Big Tech platforms for opposing lockdown and vaccine mandates.

Not for calling all world leaders lizard people, but for opposing our garbage public class' handing of Wuhan.   ::bashing::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on November 04, 2022, 02:36:56 PM
Here was the what was almost certain to happen.
1. Kiev troops were amassed on the Donbass, shelling greatly increased, and a Mar 2022 attack on the Donbass was going to happen.
2. When #1 happened Russia would attack and come in heavy as is their way.
3. When #1 and 2 happened millions of refugees would flood the west and Russia. This would also interfere with this bread basket region and likely also interfere with shipping.

#2 did not happen exactly  as Russia attacked per-emptively and tip toed in.

Knowing all this the EU leaders did nothing. The exact date of the Kiev offensive was not known in the yearts before but the US built up the Kiev forces.

Knowing that their people would freeze in the dark the EU leaders cut off much Russian gas. The EU leaders did nothing to prevent this.

Around 2015 at least France and Germany tried to intervene and the Minsk agreements were hammered out. They did not want all this crap to happen. This time they did nothing. IMO the US wanted war and EU were cucks. In Dec 2021 Jeffrey Sachs said he got through to the White House and argued for negotiation about Ukraine not joining NATO to prevent the upcoming war  and was told this was "off the table."

German will be de-industrialized and descend to third world status.

Most of what happened and will happen is as predictable as Newtonian physics. The EU leaders are insane.
 
IMO Russia initially hoped for negotiations. Now they switched to historical Russian doctrine and attacked civilian infrastructure as the US has done and would have done the first days. I recall the US bombed Yugoslavia for almost 3 months.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on November 04, 2022, 07:11:00 PM

The G7 plus Australia (not entire EU) just agreed to put a price cap on oil.
Good luck with that.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: ToddF on November 05, 2022, 09:41:10 AM
Not just for Russian oil but for all oil?

OPEC is like, sure, okie dokey, here you go, all you want.   ::hysterical::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on November 05, 2022, 10:59:53 AM
Not just for Russian oil but for all oil?

OPEC is like, sure, okie dokey, here you go, all you want.   ::hysterical::

Not sure. I will wait for official G7 announcement.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on November 05, 2022, 04:24:45 PM
Not just for Russian oil but for all oil?

OPEC is like, sure, okie dokey, here you go, all you want.   ::hysterical::

Not sure. I will wait for official G7 announcement.

Nothing official but apparently only Russian oil and only tankers.
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/g7-russian-oil-price-cap-applies-only-seaborne-crude-official-2022-11-04/ (https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/g7-russian-oil-price-cap-applies-only-seaborne-crude-official-2022-11-04/)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on November 06, 2022, 10:17:16 AM
Let me tell them about the game 3-card Monty...

 ::hysterical::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on November 17, 2022, 08:27:14 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/germany-preparing-emergency-cash-deliveries-bank-runs-ahead-winter-power-cuts (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/germany-preparing-emergency-cash-deliveries-bank-runs-ahead-winter-power-cuts)

Idiots.  Avoid reality, make no sensible actions...just let the SHTF...

Brilliant.

Well, if Germany is the first domino to collapse the vile totalitarian EU who am I to argue getting in the way?
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on December 05, 2022, 08:15:40 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/brussels-bailing-out-ukraine-will-ruin-europe-generations-hungarys-orban-warns (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/brussels-bailing-out-ukraine-will-ruin-europe-generations-hungarys-orban-warns)

(https://media.gab.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=875,quality=100,fit=scale-down/system/media_attachments/files/121/729/604/original/042d0bf7eda6d2eb.jpeg)

 ::hysterical::

Bet this helps...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/eu-erecting-russian-war-crimes-tribunal-russia-must-pay (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/eu-erecting-russian-war-crimes-tribunal-russia-must-pay)

There is blood on everybody's hands...let's try everybody simultaneously.   ::pokeineye::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on December 16, 2022, 08:47:16 AM
(https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/28953.jpeg)
H/T-ZH

IMO I think everybody is understating the reality...

Three of those last four are totally full of crap!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on January 19, 2023, 08:49:29 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/france-grinds-halt-over-nationwide-pension-strikes (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/france-grinds-halt-over-nationwide-pension-strikes)

Sacre bleu!

Wait till the diet is bugs and the vax die-back is done...no retirement...may not be a job in the traditional sense...just a post-apocalyptic struggle to live second to second...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on February 17, 2023, 08:34:39 AM
Euro's desire to die first...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/eu-warns-there-no-escape-its-esg-environment-madness (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/eu-warns-there-no-escape-its-esg-environment-madness)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on February 17, 2023, 11:40:04 AM
Euro's desire to die first...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/eu-warns-there-no-escape-its-esg-environment-madness (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/eu-warns-there-no-escape-its-esg-environment-madness)

Good find. The EU is crazy. Insane. Delusional.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on February 20, 2023, 08:48:23 AM
Well, well...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/eus-rule-law-dispute-poland-has-been-taken-notch (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/eus-rule-law-dispute-poland-has-been-taken-notch)

...if it helps destroy the EU it cannot be a bad thing...eh?
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on March 27, 2023, 09:19:32 AM
Getting very little coverage in Marxist Media...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1639664832550178818

https://twitter.com/i/status/1640219993898885121

...France is going sideways...riots, rallies...the Unholy Macron eats cake.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on April 25, 2023, 08:21:40 AM
Seems there is some indications of Euro's experiencing some split personality disorders...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/europes-elites-are-coming-round-victor-orbans-way-thinking (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/europes-elites-are-coming-round-victor-orbans-way-thinking)

Pretty sure Hydra-head Klaus (Seig Hiel!) Schwab will break out his whip...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on May 18, 2023, 08:23:03 AM
Swexit, heh.

Well, there is a lot of ground to cover from here to there...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/sweden-must-prepare-leave-eu-says-influential-sweden-democrats-party-leader (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/sweden-must-prepare-leave-eu-says-influential-sweden-democrats-party-leader)

...but getting out of a psychotic suicide pact can only make sense.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on May 18, 2023, 11:29:24 AM


From above link. Interesting. I recall the eU started off as a trading block then ratcheted to ever increasing control.

Quote
First, the government should seek to make constitutional changes in order to introduce a “referendum lock,” which would enshrine into law the requirement of a public vote before any further powers can be transferred from Stockholm to Brussels.

It is a mechanism previously adopted by both Britain and Denmark, and the Sweden Democrats leader believes it will provide a necessary safeguard against any attempted power-grab by Brussels.

    “Only the knowledge that every decision on the transfer of power must be submitted to the citizens would slow down the worst abuses from Brussels,” the pair wrote.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on May 18, 2023, 12:07:56 PM


From above link. Interesting. I recall the eU started off as a trading block then ratcheted to ever increasing control.

Quote
First, the government should seek to make constitutional changes in order to introduce a “referendum lock,” which would enshrine into law the requirement of a public vote before any further powers can be transferred from Stockholm to Brussels.

It is a mechanism previously adopted by both Britain and Denmark, and the Sweden Democrats leader believes it will provide a necessary safeguard against any attempted power-grab by Brussels.

    “Only the knowledge that every decision on the transfer of power must be submitted to the citizens would slow down the worst abuses from Brussels,” the pair wrote.

Yes, but then expanding it into a gigantic super-nation state (I recall the term United States of Europe being fondly used...though their USE would be protected primarily by American taxpayers than their own!) offered just so much temptation, corruption and increasing despotic power...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on May 30, 2023, 09:45:43 AM
Their old backyard mess still a seething cauldron of angst...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/watch-fierce-serb-kosovo-clashes-leave-dozens-nato-troops-injured (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/watch-fierce-serb-kosovo-clashes-leave-dozens-nato-troops-injured)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on May 30, 2023, 03:32:29 PM
Oops. I posted this story under east vs west. Lots of videos.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on June 13, 2023, 08:55:44 AM
Yeah, sucks for other elites when elites get caught being their corrupt selves...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/eu-trying-cover-biggest-corruption-scandal-its-history (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/eu-trying-cover-biggest-corruption-scandal-its-history)

Corruption and coverups?  Ha!  Pikers!  We got that plus despotic persecution of political enemies in America! (https://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,17527.new.html#new)

You Euroclowns got a lot of catching up to do!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on June 15, 2023, 12:18:04 PM
Pro-Rus hackers Killnet along with Ananymous Sudan & REvil announce intent to collapse EU banking system...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/06/pro-russian-hacktivist-groups-killnet-anonymous-sudan-revil/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/06/pro-russian-hacktivist-groups-killnet-anonymous-sudan-revil/)

No comment from Moscow?

Sloppy reporting...

Well, if successful, could open things up for some actual global violence...

We always get targeted, but Euro action does seem higher...

https://threatmap.bitdefender.com/ (https://threatmap.bitdefender.com/)

About us...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/06/just-global-cyberattack-hits-multiple-us-federal-government/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/06/just-global-cyberattack-hits-multiple-us-federal-government/)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on June 20, 2023, 08:45:31 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/french-voters-flock-le-pen-anti-macron-sentiment-fuels-right-wing-populism (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/french-voters-flock-le-pen-anti-macron-sentiment-fuels-right-wing-populism)

Whatever...seen this skit before...

All statist states are gamed...

France is cooked...economy is limping...feral imports are burning churches down, raping girls...

Useless pols in a suicide pact with the EU...

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on June 26, 2023, 02:26:02 PM
Totalitarians the world over cannot tolerate ANY dissent...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/06/update-germanys-populist-afd-party-wins-first-country/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/06/update-germanys-populist-afd-party-wins-first-country/)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on June 26, 2023, 02:52:28 PM

Some Moldova govt or court recently banned a political party.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on June 26, 2023, 03:38:43 PM

https://t.me/intelslava/49432
🇩🇪🇫🇷🇪🇺 Enormous power grab: Germany, France want to end veto rights in the EU this year.

In what may be the beginning of the end for European nations, Germany and France are determined to reform national rights, including the EU right of veto, this year. The debate has caused a stir in recent months, and in recent weeks, the measure has been put back on the agenda.

France and Germany are convinced that a large-scale institutional reform of the European Union, including the abolition of the veto on European Council votes, could be achieved this year, French EU Affairs Minister Laurence Boone and German Minister of State Anna Lührmann told Euractiv.

The two ministers said that both countries consider it important to abolish unanimous voting in the European Council in areas such as foreign policy and taxation before the enlargement of the European Union. This could mean, for example, that Brussels would be able to implement a flat tax rate across the EU or even involve itself more deeply in the war, both moves that Hungary has rejected and in some cases even deployed its veto to stop.

Paris and Berlin claim abolishing the veto is a change that is possible without amending the EU treaties, a point hotly contested by a number of European parties, as it would not only give Brussels enormous power but also the largest states, such as Germany and France. This would subsequently allow for the EU to enact a liberal immigration policy, green rules and various other progressive goals without any hindrance from Hungary and other smaller, conservative nations.

Laurence Boone told Euractiv that this would be “an important step toward greater integration and efficiency.”
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on June 27, 2023, 08:24:42 AM
It would be a greater move towards the totalitarian ideals that some suspect some influential folks harbored all along since the founding...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on June 28, 2023, 05:06:07 PM

Was certain to happen.
https://t.me/EurasianChoice/27818 (https://t.me/EurasianChoice/27818)
The de-industrialisation of Germany 🇩🇪- Part 8:

🔹Textile company Hofer Spinnerei Neuhof  (https://www.br.de/nachrichten/wirtschaft/spinnerei-insolvenz-ende-einer-125-jahre-alten-tradition,TfFhVa0 (https://www.br.de/nachrichten/wirtschaft/spinnerei-insolvenz-ende-einer-125-jahre-alten-tradition,TfFhVa0))files for bankruptcy after 125 years of spinning mill 👕operations.

🔹One of the country's largest mail order 📦 co.'s, Klingel, from Pforzheim (https://www.wiwo.de/unternehmen/handel/klingel-happysize-wellsana-traditionsversandhaendler-klingel-muss-nach-100-jahren-in-die-insolvenz/29146712.html (https://www.wiwo.de/unternehmen/handel/klingel-happysize-wellsana-traditionsversandhaendler-klingel-muss-nach-100-jahren-in-die-insolvenz/29146712.html)), existing since 1923 is insolvent.

🔹Glass manufacturer (https://www.ruhr24.de/service/weck-unternehmen-120-jahre-pleite-finanzen-probleme-tradition-insolvenz-kult-aus-firma-service-geld-92353988.html (https://www.ruhr24.de/service/weck-unternehmen-120-jahre-pleite-finanzen-probleme-tradition-insolvenz-kult-aus-firma-service-geld-92353988.html)) Weck GmbH & Co of Dortmund is bankrupt after 120 years in operation (https://www.fuersie.de/kochen-backen/schnell-noch-zugreifen-nach-weck-ist-auch-diese-traditionsmarke-insolvent-12715.html (https://www.fuersie.de/kochen-backen/schnell-noch-zugreifen-nach-weck-ist-auch-diese-traditionsmarke-insolvent-12715.html)).

🔹Germany’s central  (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/06/26/german-central-bank-bailout-money-printing-spree/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/06/26/german-central-bank-bailout-money-printing-spree/))bank may need a bailout to cover losses on the debt 💶 it hoovered up as part of it's massive €650bn bond-buying programme from the ECB.

🔹Heads of the Employers’ Association in North Rhine-Westphalia are worried the nation is at a dangerous point  (https://t.me/TheParadigmShiftChannel/1817 (https://t.me/TheParadigmShiftChannel/1817))and is dissatisfied with the gov't after Germany slipped into a technical recession. (https://t.me/TheParadigmShiftChannel/1801 (https://t.me/TheParadigmShiftChannel/1801)) Almost one-third of German medium-sized Mittelstand (https://archive.ph/ArCSS (https://archive.ph/ArCSS)) 🏭 firms are thinking about transferring production and jobs abroad. 

🔹 Germany's (https://www.rt.com/business/578796-germany-facing-deeper-recession/ (https://www.rt.com/business/578796-germany-facing-deeper-recession/)) business climate index dropped 📉 to 88.5 this month from 91.5 in May.

🔹German exports (https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/german-carmakers-suffer-chinas-ev-boom-accelerates (https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/german-carmakers-suffer-chinas-ev-boom-accelerates)) of motor vehicles and engines to China 🇨🇳 plunged by 26% Y-o-Y in Q1 2023.

Previous parts on the de-industrialisation of Germany 🇩🇪:

💠 Part 7  (https://t.me/TheParadigmShiftChannel/1758 (https://t.me/TheParadigmShiftChannel/1758))- May '23 - 300-year-old traditional slaughterhouse Röhrs Butchery 🥩 filed for bankruptcy along with 2 other century old business.

💠 Part 6  (https://t.me/TheParadigmShiftChannel/1666 (https://t.me/TheParadigmShiftChannel/1666))- Mar '23 - Eisenwerk Erla ? of Saxony, files for bankruptcy after more than 600 years of existence. Other century old businesses go bankrupt.

💠 Part 5  (https://t.me/TheParadigmShiftChannel/1577 (https://t.me/TheParadigmShiftChannel/1577))- Feb. '23 & Part 4  (https://t.me/TheParadigmShiftChannel/1534 (https://t.me/TheParadigmShiftChannel/1534))- Jan. '23 - Year starts with a slew of bankruptcies of co.'s in operation for over 100 years. 

💠 Part 3 (https://t.me/TheParadigmShiftChannel/1400 (https://t.me/TheParadigmShiftChannel/1400)) - Nov. '22 - CEO of the Federation of German Industries 🏭 said 1 in 4 German co.'s is considering moving production to other countries.

💠 Part 2  (https://t.me/TheParadigmShiftChannel/1356 (https://t.me/TheParadigmShiftChannel/1356))- Nov. '22 & Part 1 (https://t.me/TheParadigmShiftChannel/1305 (https://t.me/TheParadigmShiftChannel/1305)) - Oct. '22 - Manufacturers after existing for over a century shut down.

Video source- Afd in English. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djnwZOVENWo&ab_channel=AfDinEnglish (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djnwZOVENWo&ab_channel=AfDinEnglish))
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on June 29, 2023, 08:25:29 AM
And the AFD is winning elections and the totalitarian ruling party is pooping their diapers and their only response is - ban the AFD.

This is ALL connected and NOT a mystery...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on July 03, 2023, 10:24:30 AM
The Brown Barbarian invasion of France...and all The UnHoly Macron can offer is censorship to sweep the mayhem under the rug...and the totally foreseeable mayhem encourages outbreaks in Switzerland and Belgium...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/france-crisis-fifth-night-violence-spreads-neighboring-countries (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/france-crisis-fifth-night-violence-spreads-neighboring-countries)

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/macron-demands-platforms-delete-riot-content-blames-social-media-video-games-protest (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/macron-demands-platforms-delete-riot-content-blames-social-media-video-games-protest)

https://twitter.com/i/status/1674874872579739648 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1674874872579739648)

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on July 03, 2023, 11:34:59 AM

This guy asserts some facts about the dead Algerian in France. Too young to drive? No license? Ran red light. Fled from police? Drove car at police? 6 min long.

https://youtu.be/i5qH3un4M2U
 Love riots erupt after French police kill Arab teen!
Renaissance Horizon
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on July 03, 2023, 12:28:26 PM

(https://social.infogalactic.com/images/posts/3fbfa2fc-6540-4216-8fac-027d32cb208e/original-976fcf928745cb3df9e25606d4b905f6.jpg?v=63855619816)

Also, in French with Eng sub, In short, he says not to fight the "Huns" at this time as this will help the govt/elites/left. Let the results of their policies run its course.

https://gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/141/852/410/original/ce8820ed6dee091d.mp4

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on July 03, 2023, 12:50:27 PM

I heard that the EU had a budget for 7 years but spent it in 2 years.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on July 03, 2023, 01:16:55 PM
Yeah...and the occupation government here says "hold my beer"...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on July 03, 2023, 04:56:05 PM

https://voxday.net/2023/07/03/surrender-monkeys-urge-surrender/

Surrender Monkeys Urge Surrender

It reads like a vicious American parody, but this is an actual editorial published by Le Monde in response to the recent invader riots that have literally set France on fire.
Quote
    Urban riots: the need for appeasement
    EDITORIAL
    Le Monde

    While it is necessary to question the roots of the violence in France following the death of young Nahel M., the seriousness of the situation requires us all to call for calm. This is first and foremost in the interests of the inhabitants of neighborhoods considered difficult, with whom we must show solidarity.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on July 05, 2023, 08:00:23 AM

https://voxday.net/2023/07/03/surrender-monkeys-urge-surrender/

Surrender Monkeys Urge Surrender

It reads like a vicious American parody, but this is an actual editorial published by Le Monde in response to the recent invader riots that have literally set France on fire.
Quote
    Urban riots: the need for appeasement
    EDITORIAL
    Le Monde

    While it is necessary to question the roots of the violence in France following the death of young Nahel M., the seriousness of the situation requires us all to call for calm. This is first and foremost in the interests of the inhabitants of neighborhoods considered difficult, with whom we must show solidarity.

Translation - We will allow the displacement of the ethnic French people with the invader trash we let in continue...and you ethnic French will accept it or be jailed earlier than we planned...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on July 05, 2023, 04:26:17 PM

https://www.thefinancialtrends.com/2023/07/04/germany-forced-to-import-electricity-after-closing-nuclear-reactors/ (https://www.thefinancialtrends.com/2023/07/04/germany-forced-to-import-electricity-after-closing-nuclear-reactors/)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on July 06, 2023, 08:04:20 AM
 ::bus::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on July 06, 2023, 01:26:20 PM
https://vdare.com/posts/jean-raspail-dies-at-94-lived-long-enough-to-say-i-told-you-so

(https://media.gab.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=568,quality=100,fit=scale-down/system/media_attachments/files/142/049/313/original/ba2bc741cb9e3155.jpeg)H/T-WRSA@GAB
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on July 06, 2023, 04:34:17 PM
^^^
There was a meme I saw. I think it said "We'll always have Paris" with Paris in flames.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on July 07, 2023, 08:14:32 AM
Yeah.  It'll happen here too if the socialist lunatics go unchecked...

Though we cannot go full-Frenchtard without first having a totalitarian dictator imposing Constitution/Republic-ending edicts...which would mean there is no longer any "law" worth obeying and a full-on civil war results...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/french-gun-control-failed-leaving-law-abiding-citizens-helpless-nation-burned (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/french-gun-control-failed-leaving-law-abiding-citizens-helpless-nation-burned)

France's gun control did nothing to protect its people.

Never give up God-given rights...NEVER!

And the reward for loyal French people blindly following their overlords edicts...being treated as a criminal...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/french-cops-can-now-secretly-activate-phone-cameras-microphones-and-gps-spy-citizens (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/french-cops-can-now-secretly-activate-phone-cameras-microphones-and-gps-spy-citizens)

For the people!

 ::cussing::

We've yielding far too much, and need to start taking back...the French, like many Euro's have given up just about everything...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on August 14, 2023, 01:34:52 PM

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/08/13/afd-party-ban-germany-far-right-extremists/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/08/13/afd-party-ban-germany-far-right-extremists/)

Germany considers ban on far-Right AfD

Call to 'defend democracy' as party surges to 21pc in opinion polls
By James Jackson Lodz 13 August 2023 • 3:18pm
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on August 14, 2023, 01:37:07 PM
About banning the AFD
https://youtu.be/TdbvCjYDHLI
 A stunning coincidence.
Paul Joseph Watson
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on August 15, 2023, 08:38:07 AM
About banning the AFD
https://youtu.be/TdbvCjYDHLI (https://youtu.be/TdbvCjYDHLI)
 A stunning coincidence.
Paul Joseph Watson

PJW makes awesome vids full of facts and dripping with sarcasm.   ::thumbsup::

Of course banning parties, arresting/imprisoning political foes or just killing them...no nation on the planet is innocent of these things...they are however increasingly being used...which ought to tell you how hard the despotic elites everywhere are hitting the panic button...

They despise republicanism, democracy whatever system in name only people suffer under and prefer instead to make people suffer under full totalitarianism.

In other Ukraine news...

The prestigious and collegial chamber of congress yet again told the American people that accountability in spending is none of their fvcking business!

https://nypost.com/2023/07/27/senate-dems-oppose-oversight-office-of-us-aid-for-ukraine/ (https://nypost.com/2023/07/27/senate-dems-oppose-oversight-office-of-us-aid-for-ukraine/)

I reckon this could be why...

(https://media.gab.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=568,quality=100,fit=scale-down/system/media_attachments/files/145/338/685/original/35f30421d985de74.jpeg)

(https://media.gab.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=568,quality=100,fit=scale-down/system/media_attachments/files/145/394/338/original/022fd821d1381c87.jpeg)

And in yet more proof Russians and their sycophants also lie wise ease...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/russia-hikes-rates-12-emergency-move-halt-roubles-collapse (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/russia-hikes-rates-12-emergency-move-halt-roubles-collapse)

...the sanctions and the "SMO" aka "war" is still raising some heck.

They need oil to rise, heh, but demand thanks to battered economies jobless workers and high taxes and inflation is suppressed and showing no signs of improving nor does inflation look to be lessening in the future, if anything like America and elsewhere a stagflation environment seems to be the most likely direction for most.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on September 21, 2023, 08:34:54 AM
It's not mistake here or there that statists are purposely replacing indigenous citizens and destroying their nations and with the assistance of opposition party Quislings...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/european-right-leaders-blast-melonis-betrayal-cowardice-amid-lampedusa-migrant-invasion (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/european-right-leaders-blast-melonis-betrayal-cowardice-amid-lampedusa-migrant-invasion)

It's possible I suppose...that there could be civil wars erupting on most of the globe...

China has serious economic issues and appears to be eying an opportunity to take Taiwan by force aided by FJB impotence and strained US military resources...

Kim could start trouble on the Korean peninsula...

Pakistan & India could pop any day...

Middle East has multiple potential matches brewing...

Eurasia mess could experience more face offs...

Some South American nations don't care for one another and could erupt in conflict...

There are global economic wars raging every direction...

The world is growing more hostile and doesn't it look scripted?
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on September 21, 2023, 01:08:16 PM
I wonder about Taiwan. I think the US would like to provoke an 'unprovoked' invasion.

Col Macgregor said he knows the guy who does the US military war games. US loses every time against China over Taiwan. He had told the WH this.

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on September 25, 2023, 07:50:20 AM
I wonder about Taiwan. I think the US would like to provoke an 'unprovoked' invasion.

Col Macgregor said he knows the guy who does the US military war games. US loses every time against China over Taiwan. He had told the WH this.

No such nonsense exists...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on September 25, 2023, 09:19:43 AM
I wonder about Taiwan. I think the US would like to provoke an 'unprovoked' invasion.

Col Macgregor said he knows the guy who does the US military war games. US loses every time against China over Taiwan. He had told the WH this.

No such nonsense exists...

You think the US has not done such war games or China loses them?
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on September 25, 2023, 09:34:30 AM
I wonder about Taiwan. I think the US would like to provoke an 'unprovoked' invasion.

Col Macgregor said he knows the guy who does the US military war games. US loses every time against China over Taiwan. He had told the WH this.

No such nonsense exists...

You think the US has not done such war games or China loses them?

I reject the concept highlighted entirely...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on September 25, 2023, 09:50:34 AM
I wonder about Taiwan. I think the US would like to provoke an 'unprovoked' invasion.

Col Macgregor said he knows the guy who does the US military war games. US loses every time against China over Taiwan. He had told the WH this.

No such nonsense exists...

You think the US has not done such war games or China loses them?

I reject the concept highlighted entirely...

Do you think the US would like to provoke a Chinese invasion of Taiwan? I would hope not but they may be that crazy. US think tanks say that if US does nothing, in a couple years China will be too powerful and US could not prevent a Chinese invasion of Taiwan. So act now?

If the US does X that will likely result in a Chinese invasion. I do not know what X is. IMO China would like to wait it out. Maybe use economic means or blockade. Giving Taiwan nukes would do it. Maybe admitting them to NATO.

I recall Zelensky at some 2021 Munich security conference. He said he wanted nukes or would be getting nukes. I cannot remember. The US could have made it clear Kiev would not be getting nukes but remained silent. In late 2021 US said we had no intention of putting nuclear missiles in Ukraine and would discuss it later. In Feb 2022 US refused to even discuss it.

So yes, the US govt IS that crazy.

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on September 25, 2023, 10:31:10 AM
I wonder about Taiwan. I think the US would like to provoke an 'unprovoked' invasion.

Col Macgregor said he knows the guy who does the US military war games. US loses every time against China over Taiwan. He had told the WH this.

No such nonsense exists...

You think the US has not done such war games or China loses them?

I reject the concept highlighted entirely...

Do you think the US would like to provoke a Chinese invasion of Taiwan? I would hope not but they may be that crazy. US think tanks say that if US does nothing, in a couple years China will be too powerful and US could not prevent a Chinese invasion of Taiwan. So act now?

If the US does X that will likely result in a Chinese invasion. I do not know what X is. IMO China would like to wait it out. Maybe use economic means or blockade. Giving Taiwan nukes would do it. Maybe admitting them to NATO.

I recall Zelensky at some 2021 Munich security conference. He said he wanted nukes or would be getting nukes. I cannot remember. The US could have made it clear Kiev would not be getting nukes but remained silent. In late 2021 US said we had no intention of putting nuclear missiles in Ukraine and would discuss it later. In Feb 2022 US refused to even discuss it.

So yes, the US govt IS that crazy.

The highlighted phrase is BS, I don't care who tries to use it.  Has PRC renounced armed force to take Taiwan?  No.  Do wars happen in a vacuum where only one party is to blame, no.  People can use any excuse they desire, real or imaginary doesn't matter.  You think only the US is crazy?  That is shortsighted.  The PRC is economically weak, their people are restless, disillusioned and demoralized by covidian lockdowns and constant surveillance and their real estate and wage situation is deteriorating, the most trade they do now is internal...the central committee likely sees seizing Taiwan as an economic, military and political opportunity...no different than the globalists see Ukraine.  I call that crazy as well. There will be no NATO for Taiwan, whoever is spewing that nonsense is an idiot...there is no giving Taiwan nukes and only an idiot would spew that BS too...all the US can do is make an invasion costly in terms of equipment and personnel lost, and it would be largely restricted to naval and air assets in the region...in the end if PRC wants to take it no matter the cost it is there for them to initiate.  Any other talk is agenda-driven hyerbole by rent-chasing monkeys and talkingheads who are in love with the sound of their own voice aka narcissists.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on September 25, 2023, 11:49:36 AM

IMO China wants to kick the can down the road.  They are greedy merchants, traders, and hustlers. Attacking Taiwan would be a money loser. There is no reason for them to invade.

China would only attack if there was sufficient provocation. I have no idea what that would be. I heard that China fears the US sub fleet but not much more. They have lots of missiles and can make more.

The economic ties between Taiwan and China are huge.

IMO the status quo is OK with China. Is it OK with the US govt? 
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on September 25, 2023, 03:50:06 PM
You tell me?

Will TSMC (https://www.tsmc.com/english) be under PRC control if Taiwan is seized?

That's a "red line".

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on September 25, 2023, 04:17:19 PM
You tell me?

Will TSMC (https://www.tsmc.com/english) be under PRC control if Taiwan is seized?

That's a "red line".
Will TSMC EXIST  if Taiwan is seized? Will the US blow it to pieces like the NS pipeline then blame the Reds?

Didn't some US blowhard politician recently propose that? Cannot remember who. Of course the Reds will repeat that for propaganda purposes. It will not go over well in Taiwan either.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on September 26, 2023, 08:09:11 AM
You tell me?

Will TSMC (https://www.tsmc.com/english) be under PRC control if Taiwan is seized?

That's a "red line".
Will TSMC EXIST  if Taiwan is seized? Will the US blow it to pieces like the NS pipeline then blame the Reds?

Didn't some US blowhard politician recently propose that? Cannot remember who. Of course the Reds will repeat that for propaganda purposes. It will not go over well in Taiwan either.

I dunno, I'm going Squatch trapping...better use of my time you let me know how this works out...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on October 13, 2023, 08:44:22 AM
Looks like somebody realized they were getting used...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/could-germanys-government-collapse-fdp-could-be-eyeing-early-exit-coalition (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/could-germanys-government-collapse-fdp-could-be-eyeing-early-exit-coalition)

...lay with stays, get covered in lice...

Perhaps the way to escape the EU totalitarian death grip is for one state to alter the failed paradigm.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on October 13, 2023, 03:49:39 PM
Looks like somebody realized they were getting used...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/could-germanys-government-collapse-fdp-could-be-eyeing-early-exit-coalition (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/could-germanys-government-collapse-fdp-could-be-eyeing-early-exit-coalition)

...lay with stays, get covered in lice...

Perhaps the way to escape the EU totalitarian death grip is for one state to alter the failed paradigm.

EU, mostly Germany, amazed me with how they were US lap dogs. We blew up the NS pipelines and they did nothing except bend over and grease up.
Hungary may survive.
Last I heard, EU was proposing a fine for every asylum speaker refused entry.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on October 13, 2023, 04:18:30 PM
Looks like somebody realized they were getting used...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/could-germanys-government-collapse-fdp-could-be-eyeing-early-exit-coalition (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/could-germanys-government-collapse-fdp-could-be-eyeing-early-exit-coalition)

...lay with stays, get covered in lice...

Perhaps the way to escape the EU totalitarian death grip is for one state to alter the failed paradigm.

EU, mostly Germany, amazed me with how they were US lap dogs. We blew up the NS pipelines and they did nothing except bend over and grease up.
Hungary may survive.
Last I heard, EU was proposing a fine for every asylum speaker refused entry.

Poland is sane on that too,,,getting beat up by totalitarian media for not having taken in a single military aged Islamic invader, er EU-labelled "refugee"...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on October 13, 2023, 05:42:50 PM
Just when you thought they could get any crazier.

https://t.me/EurasianChoice/30533

?? Germany to consider scrapping vital gas deals with Qatar if the country does not support Israel's war against Palestine.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on October 13, 2023, 05:44:21 PM
BUT
WHO published these.,news'?

The gas contract has FIRST deliveries in 2026 only!
The.,german' buyer = US middleman parasite is Conoco Philips that would send the gas from Qatar to Brunsbüttel (15 year contract).
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on October 13, 2023, 05:49:46 PM
Brigitte, [10/13/2023 11:15 AM]
No Germans have not lost their minds but the SPD-GREEN-FDP government has. Did you see the 2 State elections we had last Sunday!?
In 2024 there will be many more. But, Berlin couldn't care less about us.

Phil Chaniet, [10/13/2023 11:31 AM]
I sincerely hope you're right but how much time do we have to de-escalate?
Armageddon used to be a town in old Israel!

Brigitte, [10/13/2023 11:42 AM]
Well. I hope that things that start gradually, develop momentum before the sudden collapse. Most Germans are outraged by now, believe me. The AfD is the steadily rising star. Listen to Alice Weidel and you hear intelligent and down to earth sentences. She speaks clear words instead of bad propaganda and ridiculous blahblahs.

Aida Rebel, [10/13/2023 11:46 AM]
They definitely lost the plough.

Sarmale, [10/13/2023 11:47 AM]
Industry and home heating systems do not operate on politicians’ speeches. The economy has stalled and winter is coming.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on October 13, 2023, 08:57:24 PM
Moldova was visited by Bald and Bankrupt. I recall this  is one place where the locals said things were much worse than under USSR.
The Transnistria part may be not as bad.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/64559
Maia Sandu threatened residents of villages and towns in Moldova that they would not receive European money for the development of their areas if they elected “representatives of criminal groups.”

 Previously, the country had already banned the Shor opposition party, calling it unconstitutional . And last week, several more oppositionists were arrested and searches were carried out in the studio where candidates from the Chance party took photos.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on October 16, 2023, 09:01:06 AM
Poland and Hungary are no longer alone...Germany seeing political shifts that could seriously derail Brussel's schemes, Slovakia changing hands, even far a way changes in places like New Zealand likely to be replicated elsewhere in the Olde World...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on November 09, 2023, 01:42:18 PM
Well, isn't this just the most totalitarian thing these thugs could do...

https://slaynews.com/news/eu-pushes-cbdc-linked-digital-identity-all-citizens/

...if this happens, demonic anti-freedom despots take root and only tyranny, oppression, slavery and genocide can follow...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on November 10, 2023, 09:06:26 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/right-wing-spanish-politician-miraculously-survives-shot-head-point-blank-range-madrid (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/right-wing-spanish-politician-miraculously-survives-shot-head-point-blank-range-madrid)

Totalitarians hate opposition, especially if opposition is gaining traction...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on November 13, 2023, 12:09:26 PM
Taken a while but looks like Spaniards are growing up...

(https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/photo_2023-11-12_19-50-45-600x593.jpg)

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/11/spain-awakens-millions-take-streets-against-socialist-coup/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/11/spain-awakens-millions-take-streets-against-socialist-coup/)

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on November 22, 2023, 08:54:40 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/europe-plunges-chaos-after-germany-freezes-public-spending-following-shock-top-court (https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/europe-plunges-chaos-after-germany-freezes-public-spending-following-shock-top-court)

Bummer.

 ::smallestviolin::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: ToddF on November 22, 2023, 11:22:19 AM
BS on the whole you need deficit spending to grow your economy thing.  Germany has a lot of problems.  Lowering deficit spending isn't one of them.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on November 22, 2023, 09:59:59 PM
https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/europe-plunges-chaos-after-germany-freezes-public-spending-following-shock-top-court (https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/europe-plunges-chaos-after-germany-freezes-public-spending-following-shock-top-court)

Bummer.

 ::smallestviolin::

Didn't German govt just say they will spend a billion or more on Ukr?
https://apnews.com/article/germany-ukraine-aid-military-9023a24fd21689eb1139f29818fbc75b (https://apnews.com/article/germany-ukraine-aid-military-9023a24fd21689eb1139f29818fbc75b)
...
She said that will include helping Ukraine through the coming winter months and “our support will be massively expanded for next year.”

Over the weekend, the Bild am Sonntag newspaper reported that Chancellor Olaf Scholz’s governing coalition wants to increase Germany’s military aid for 2024 from the 4 billion euros initially planned to 8 billion euros ($8.5 billion). It said parliament’s budget committee will need to sign off on the plan later this week.
...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on November 23, 2023, 01:30:44 PM
The conservative pVV party in NL won 37 seats, second place PvdA/GL won 25. Geert Wilders needs 76 to govern. The first minute is worth watching, maybe the whole thing.  The second place party was all cheers when their total was announced. Then tears when they learned who was in first place.


https://youtu.be/NQJrYhqzeyo (https://youtu.be/NQJrYhqzeyo)

 HUUUGE 🇳🇱
Paul Joseph W

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/far-rights-wilders-seeks-form-dutch-govt-after-shock-election-win-2023-11-23/ (https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/far-rights-wilders-seeks-form-dutch-govt-after-shock-election-win-2023-11-23/)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on November 27, 2023, 08:45:13 AM
It'll be one of those PITA "coalition" governments...but hopefully better than what they've had and another irritant to the machinations of Brussels...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on December 14, 2023, 03:57:47 PM

I heard that admitting Ukr would financially tank the EU. Also, the IMF recently 'loaned' Ukr $1B in violation of its rules.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/orb%C3%A1n-left-the-room-when-we-voted-eu-official-explains-how-decision-to-open-accession-talks-with-ukraine-was-made/ar-AA1lvNjo?rc=1&ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=f5c399647db94b72b280f7558062e613&ei=15 (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/orb%C3%A1n-left-the-room-when-we-voted-eu-official-explains-how-decision-to-open-accession-talks-with-ukraine-was-made/ar-AA1lvNjo?rc=1&ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=f5c399647db94b72b280f7558062e613&ei=15)
...
Details: Several European Council officials claim that Orbán deliberately left the meeting during the vote.

Quote: "The main thing is that no one opposed this decision. Thus, the European Union agreed on the decision to open negotiations with Ukraine and Moldova and to grant Georgia candidate status," an EU official said.

"Legally, this is absolutely in line with the rules. Yes, we have made a decision in Orbán’s absence, but not behind his back. He knew that this decision would be voted on and left the room," said a member of European Council President Charles Michel's team.
...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on December 15, 2023, 08:47:21 AM

I heard that admitting Ukr would financially tank the EU. Also, the IMF recently 'loaned' Ukr $1B in violation of its rules.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/orb%C3%A1n-left-the-room-when-we-voted-eu-official-explains-how-decision-to-open-accession-talks-with-ukraine-was-made/ar-AA1lvNjo?rc=1&ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=f5c399647db94b72b280f7558062e613&ei=15 (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/orb%C3%A1n-left-the-room-when-we-voted-eu-official-explains-how-decision-to-open-accession-talks-with-ukraine-was-made/ar-AA1lvNjo?rc=1&ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=f5c399647db94b72b280f7558062e613&ei=15)
...
Details: Several European Council officials claim that Orbán deliberately left the meeting during the vote.

Quote: "The main thing is that no one opposed this decision. Thus, the European Union agreed on the decision to open negotiations with Ukraine and Moldova and to grant Georgia candidate status," an EU official said.

"Legally, this is absolutely in line with the rules. Yes, we have made a decision in Orbán’s absence, but not behind his back. He knew that this decision would be voted on and left the room," said a member of European Council President Charles Michel's team.
...

Fine with me...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on December 15, 2023, 11:42:51 AM


Alex on the EU. Interesting take.  He says that the Ukr and Moldova decisions were political and honorary? Not much real effect?
Alex does not like EU because of Cyprus experience. Says Ursula pads her resume and moves up before disaster. Germany will be left holding the bag.
Alex is like Libertas." Let EU fail. "  Moldova and Ukr are financial black holes. I recall Moldova was also looted after USSR fell.


https://youtu.be/nyip1xhKVUQ
 EU, YES for Ukraine & Moldova. Orban abstains. Scholz the hero. Putin 4 hour Q & A, hints Odessa
Alex Christoforou
189K subscribers

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on December 22, 2023, 08:29:58 AM
This crap in Poland with the new EU hardliner Tusk is going full-tilt totalitarian...

Former Education Minister Przemys?aw Czarnek said that “this is the most brutal taking of power ever in the EU, with the government using force, assaulting MPs and shutting down media they do not like.”
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/its-martial-law-polands-pro-eu-govt-seizes-public-news-channels-massive-police-raid (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/its-martial-law-polands-pro-eu-govt-seizes-public-news-channels-massive-police-raid)

I'm sure DemoNazis and Cucks here are getting tingles in their nethers over being able to replicate this here...they've been exerting propaganda and censorship and lawfare against political enemies....but this stormtrooper sh*t is really upping the ante...

Hopefully this creates one enormous mess in the EU and helps split it apart...

Like our occupation regime...the EU is consumed with Evil...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on January 11, 2024, 08:30:11 AM
EU is such a sh!tshow...

Polish PM is a lacky of Brussels and going FJB on political opposition...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/polish-police-arrest-pro-duda-mps-inside-presidential-palace-constitutional-crisis (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/polish-police-arrest-pro-duda-mps-inside-presidential-palace-constitutional-crisis)

German farmers in full rebellion...joined by truckers now...and ruling socialists want to ban the opposition party there too...

https://youtu.be/HhXNVHGOMGQ (https://youtu.be/HhXNVHGOMGQ)

(https://theconservativetreehouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/German-farm-protests-1.jpg)

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/01/11/tucker-carlson-outlines-the-farmers-protest-the-biggest-protests-in-german-history/ (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/01/11/tucker-carlson-outlines-the-farmers-protest-the-biggest-protests-in-german-history/)

...nice to see people fed up with being treated as slaves.

ETA - Rail-workers joining in too!

https://t.co/ZaWxdwiTou (https://t.co/ZaWxdwiTou)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on January 11, 2024, 03:56:14 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/01/sea-red-white-as-much-as-200k-warsaw/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/01/sea-red-white-as-much-as-200k-warsaw/)

Poles not happy and they have good reason...and only their President is standing up for the oppressed repressed and persecuted by this rogue PM...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on January 12, 2024, 02:27:04 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/01/german-standstill-major-farmers-protest-railway-strike-freeze/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/01/german-standstill-major-farmers-protest-railway-strike-freeze/)

Watch what happens if they screw over the will of the people...   ::popcorn::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on January 12, 2024, 03:02:15 PM


workers of the world unite, plus farmers.
Hammer and sickle?
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on January 12, 2024, 03:51:44 PM
I like the alex summaries as he is fast paced and funny. Law and Justice party got first place in recent election but could not form coalition party. Law and Justice backed the Ukraine project big time. He says that cost them. Law and Justice used to be in line with Orban then switched to back Ukr but was not 100% committed to EU ideology. So now EU rules Poland.

I do not keep up on this Poland stuff like Libertas. Alex gives a brief summary. Tusk.
26 min in
https://youtu.be/v_e7eNNgO0E?t=1572
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on January 12, 2024, 03:55:58 PM
New French PM appoints a new foreign minister, his husband partner. True or not?


36:15
https://youtu.be/v_e7eNNgO0E?t=2175
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on January 13, 2024, 05:01:14 PM

One guy's take on the details of Poland. Mike Krupa. @MGKrupa
https://twitter.com/MGKrupa

https://youtu.be/Z36BWFnk0U0
PAY ATTENTION! Something VERY strange is happening in Poland | Redacted with Clayton Morris
update
Guy says third biggest CIA op is in Poland
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on January 15, 2024, 08:23:25 AM
I don't false flag angle...I do get the corrupt new regime being tools of Brussels and looking to eliminate political opposition (mostly the former ruling party and its leaders) in demonazi/cuck/DeepState-style.  And the Polish people seem to be pissed about it and I suspect the President who seems set to pardon the persecuted will likely be the next target for destruction/suicide/whatever...

Stray Uke missies being blamed on Russia?  Not much of a credible false flag attempt there...I think I would keep to ridiculing that crap and ignoring false flag allegations that even a grade school kid can see through, makes the opposition look a little loony/desperate...stick to the totalitarian power grab of the new despotic regime, so much more meat there!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on January 15, 2024, 08:38:52 AM
And I hope Germany gets Brussels crapping themselves...

https://twitter.com/JimFergusonUK/status/1746496794173829437
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on January 15, 2024, 08:56:02 AM
And shame on Finland for being so intolerant of Christianity and open speech...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/finnish-politician-rasanen-again-facing-demands-prosecution-over-quoting-bible (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/finnish-politician-rasanen-again-facing-demands-prosecution-over-quoting-bible)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on January 17, 2024, 08:06:03 AM
Expanding to distribution centers and warehouses...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/01/16/german-farm-protests-continue-new-shift-to-add-blockades-of-warehouse-and-distribution-centers/

What comes next?  Concessions or crackdown?  I'll bet heavily on the latter...its what mobocrat thugs do...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: ToddF on January 17, 2024, 08:56:45 AM
I'm surprised Germany's garbage public class hasn't already gone full Castreau on the farmers.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on January 17, 2024, 11:28:48 AM
Yeah, and Scholz has a real Schutzstaffel way about him...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on January 17, 2024, 12:00:05 PM


Meanwhile at Davos, China talks about trade and business. Common for Chinese likely forever. .
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/45319
Chinese Premier Li Qiang invited foreign companies to invest in China, said more macroeconomic coordination is needed, supply chains should be free of obstructions, technology should serve human needs, and advocated for more cooperation to address global challenges. Ursula von der Leyen mentioned "democracy" nine times, "freedom" six times, kept bringing up "disinformation" and painted Europe as a "global leader". This wasn't a duel; given the audience, Li talked primarily about business, China's openness, and leveraged on what China can contribute to the world. Madame Ursula instead relied on her tried-and-tested finger-pointing, empty posturing and hypocritical virtue-signalling - talking about recession would have been a lot harder. (1/2) @LauraRuHK

(2/2) In Davos Chinese premier Li Qiang exposed Western lies and hypocrisy: "Talks about the need for stronger cooperation on climate governance are often accompanied by actions of erecting barriers to green trade. Some high-quality and efficient green and low-carbon technologies and products cannot flow freely." That is, the West is using the green agenda to undermine the development of other countries. If it took it seriously, then it wouldn't erect trade barriers on the world’s manufacturing powerhouse for several key energy technology areas, such as solar photovoltaics, wind turbines and electric vehicles. Contrary to what Western media reported, there were no duelling speeches. Li Qiang's speech displayed that quintessential Chinese rhetorical style known as the yin style: you present uncomfortable truths in an oblique, unthreatening way, without pushing your opponents into a corner. You give them an opportunity to “save face”. The purpose is not to embarrass the counterpart but to produce constructive communication as a prerequisite for achieving the desired results. It may sound odd to anyone who is not familiar with Chinese culture, but this style of rhetoric is based on the respect of the dignity of others as a condition for retaining your own dignity. China focuses on the preservation of social harmony and therefore tries to avoid conflict as much as possible. But don't ever mistake that for weakness: Yin is balanced by Yang. @LauraRuHK
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on January 17, 2024, 12:16:36 PM
They are both overflowing with BS!  Chi-Com's can bitch all they want about "development" and the "Western Devils" refusing to cater to their every whim (and look the other way as they steal their technology and jobs) till they turn blue...and the Western statists can destroy their citizens freedom, beliefs and thoughts and wealth and livelihoods till they turn blue...but both are full of sh*t!

Chi-Com's love to see Westerners use ESG & DIE crap to destroy their economies and shift more wealth to them and their earth-raping ways as much as Western statists love turning their citizens into slaves.

Both sets of despotic leaders should be tossed into the Lake of Fire!!!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on January 17, 2024, 12:30:04 PM
They are both overflowing with BS!  Chi-Com's can bitch all they want about "development" and the "Western Devils" refusing to cater to their every whim (and look the other way as they steal their technology and jobs) till they turn blue...and the Western statists can destroy their citizens freedom, beliefs and thoughts and wealth and livelihoods till they turn blue...but both are full of sh*t!

Chi-Com's love to see Westerners use ESG & DIE crap to destroy their economies and shift more wealth to them and their earth-raping ways as much as Western statists love turning their citizens into slaves.

Both sets of despotic leaders should be tossed into the Lake of Fire!!!

At least the Chinese are looking out for Chinese.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on January 17, 2024, 03:32:43 PM
They are both overflowing with BS!  Chi-Com's can bitch all they want about "development" and the "Western Devils" refusing to cater to their every whim (and look the other way as they steal their technology and jobs) till they turn blue...and the Western statists can destroy their citizens freedom, beliefs and thoughts and wealth and livelihoods till they turn blue...but both are full of sh*t!

Chi-Com's love to see Westerners use ESG & DIE crap to destroy their economies and shift more wealth to them and their earth-raping ways as much as Western statists love turning their citizens into slaves.

Both sets of despotic leaders should be tossed into the Lake of Fire!!!

At least the Chinese are looking out for Chinese.

Well...yeah...you just have to like living in a totalitarian state and take the scraps they toss your way...else you go to gulag or mass grave...   ::whoohoo::

/

Which ironically is where our elites want to take us...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on January 17, 2024, 04:37:13 PM


https://t.me/myLordBebo/20152
 French farmers are more aggressive than the Germans.

Multiple Launch Guided Hay System targets the local municipality.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on January 24, 2024, 08:06:27 PM
People hugely support the farmers.
CDU/CSU is falling. IFD is gaining but may be banned. Alexander says 50% chance.
The economy is tanking but the greens are ideologues on the environment and on Russia hatred.
Parliament voted against sending more Taurus missiles as they would be used to strike pre 2014 Russia.
They might be sent anyway?

Lenin said if Germans stormed a train station they would first queue to buy tickets.

https://youtu.be/Y8ZPbjstbkM
German Greens, strong and secure as coalition collapses
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on January 25, 2024, 07:51:42 AM
People hugely support the farmers.
CDU/CSU is falling. IFD is gaining but may be banned. Alexander says 50% chance.
The economy is tanking but the greens are ideologues on the environment and on Russia hatred.
Parliament voted against sending more Taurus missiles as they would be used to strike pre 2014 Russia.
They might be sent anyway?

Lenin said if Germans stormed a train station they would first queue to buy tickets.

https://youtu.be/Y8ZPbjstbkM
German Greens, strong and secure as coalition collapses

Greens and Code Pink anti-nukers used to LOVE Soviet Russia...

Just more proof socialism of any kind is a severe mental disorder...

Fortunately, for EU despots, they don't GAFF what the rabble want...

And suppressing news of unhappy peasants chanting “No fuel, no food, no future” as they protest en masse across the continent is their go-to action...and since most coverage is via social media like X...it is no accident they are stepping up their attack on X...

And here in America it all gets ignored too for the same reasons...peasants are peasants and do not matter...just give them the bare minimum and some circus...

And in Canada a too little to late ruling on the emergency powers Trudeau used as a sledgehammer on their miffed truckers -

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/01/24/canadian-federal-court-rules-use-of-emergency-powers-to-end-trucker-protests-was-unconstitutional/

Oh, sorry, that's it?  Hopefully hundreds of thousands of lawsuits hit the Fed goons like a massive avalanche!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on January 25, 2024, 04:52:47 PM

I hear the Greens are huge war supporters now.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on January 25, 2024, 06:48:01 PM
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/86732 (https://t.me/Slavyangrad/86732)
"Pig in French": Protesting French farmers hung a boar carcass outside the labor inspector's office in Agen.

Yeah, farmers are simple guys, know how to get things done.

update
https://t.me/c/1567469683/1828655 (https://t.me/c/1567469683/1828655)
French farmers know how to protest...
(Merrrrde!)

https://www.rt.com/news/591270-brussels-support-ukraine-paris-farmers/ (https://www.rt.com/news/591270-brussels-support-ukraine-paris-farmers/)

https://www.rt.com/news/591270-brussels-support-ukraine-paris-farmers/ (https://www.rt.com/news/591270-brussels-support-ukraine-paris-farmers/)
https://www.rt.com/news/591270-brussels-support-ukraine-paris-farmers/ (https://www.rt.com/news/591270-brussels-support-ukraine-paris-farmers/)
25 Jan, 2024 14:02
HomeWorld News
French fury: Farmers sowing seeds of revolution against elites in Paris
Brussels’ diktat on climate change and support for Ukraine is seen as more important than the people who actually feed the country
Rachel Marsden

By Rachel Marsden, a columnist, political strategist, and host of independently produced talk-shows in French and English.
rachelmarsden.com
French fury: Farmers sowing seeds of revolution against elites in Paris
Farmers set branches and tires on fire as they demonstrate in Sainte-Colombe-en-Bruilhois near Agen, France, January 25, 2024. ©  Christophe ARCHAMBAULT / AFP

The French government is scrambling to get a whole lot of tractors off the nation’s major highways. Good luck with that when 89% of French citizens back the protesting farmers, according to a new Odoxa poll.
...

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on January 26, 2024, 08:14:38 AM
Ironic...when it comes to war, nobody surrenders like a cheese-eating surrender-monkey...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on January 29, 2024, 09:45:12 AM
(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bd9abec0233ca1bb388cf0cf2826408e42f069ada31fd0f9ba048779897ecaec.jpg)H/T-CTH
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on January 29, 2024, 03:10:50 PM


EU threatens Hungary if they block Ukr $50B  to Ukraine.

https://youtu.be/EH4Oeg0wWic?t=1163
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on January 30, 2024, 09:20:19 AM
 ::vafancoul::  EU!
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on January 31, 2024, 08:32:32 AM
(https://media.gab.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=568,quality=100,fit=scale-down/system/media_attachments/files/158/063/944/original/9ea2bae5bf4eaea6.png)H/T-WRSA@GAB

If even the French are this torked off...shouldn't everybody else be even more enraged?

In other EU news...

Orban proved correct yet again...and HUngary is even more torked over EU treachery -

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/orban-hits-back-after-secret-eu-plan-sabotage-hungarian-economy-revealed (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/orban-hits-back-after-secret-eu-plan-sabotage-hungarian-economy-revealed)

The corrupt EU elite have no shame, no decency...they have nothing positive for citizens or states.

Sounds all too familiar...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on January 31, 2024, 06:26:09 PM
more eu farmer videos
https://t.me/myLordBebo/21539

https://t.me/myLordBebo/21540
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on February 01, 2024, 01:34:07 PM

Alex of Duran says EU is to extend tariff free entry of Ukr grain into EU. The farmers will not like that.
Plus, Germany and Japan are to sign a military pact?   ...again .....
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on February 01, 2024, 01:44:22 PM
Some guy on Rachel Blevins show says they pay 300 EU per month for energy instead of 80EU.
She is a Texas cutie who used to work for RT maybe In RU. Hypnotic eyes.


https://youtu.be/N6WS7SQEDmg?t=225
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on February 01, 2024, 03:01:49 PM

Alex of Duran says EU is to extend tariff free entry of Ukr grain into EU. The farmers will not like that.
Plus, Germany and Japan are to sign a military pact?   ...again .....

Logistical support...

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2024/01/29/japan/japan-germany-military-supply-pact/ (https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2024/01/29/japan/japan-germany-military-supply-pact/)

Plus, China's fault...   ::rimshot::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on February 01, 2024, 03:02:43 PM
Some guy on Rachel Blevins show says they pay 300 EU per month for energy instead of 80EU.
She is a Texas cutie who used to work for RT maybe In RU. Hypnotic eyes.


https://youtu.be/N6WS7SQEDmg?t=225

Not sure of the numbers...but because of sanctions and own internal stupidity (Net Zero BS) they are paying more...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on February 01, 2024, 03:26:47 PM

Alex of Duran says EU is to extend tariff free entry of Ukr grain into EU. The farmers will not like that.
Plus, Germany and Japan are to sign a military pact?   ...again .....

Logistical support...

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2024/01/29/japan/japan-germany-military-supply-pact/ (https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2024/01/29/japan/japan-germany-military-supply-pact/)

Plus, China's fault...   ::rimshot::

Why not call it the Axis? I mean, Germany sends tanks with the iron cross into Russia so why not?
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on February 02, 2024, 07:57:57 AM

Alex of Duran says EU is to extend tariff free entry of Ukr grain into EU. The farmers will not like that.
Plus, Germany and Japan are to sign a military pact?   ...again .....

Logistical support...

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2024/01/29/japan/japan-germany-military-supply-pact/ (https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2024/01/29/japan/japan-germany-military-supply-pact/)

Plus, China's fault...   ::rimshot::

Why not call it the Axis? I mean, Germany sends tanks with the iron cross into Russia so why not?

No Wops...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on February 02, 2024, 02:25:18 PM

Some OK video links if you scroll down.
Macron and wife visit other royalty. Some riots with burning stuff near EU HQ in Brussels.

https://t.me/putingers_cat/8651
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on February 02, 2024, 03:08:57 PM

https://t.me/iEarlGreyTV/8985?single
European farmers besieged the EU parliament in Brussels.

Riot police are forming a protective line in front of the EU HQ.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on February 02, 2024, 03:22:07 PM

more from Brussels
https://t.me/iEarlGreyTV/8996
A  casual video interview of a Moldovan resident started my reading on the USSR collapse and so called transition.

IMO the Moldova president is a US puppet likely planning for her next job with some globalist organization. Moldova was hard hit when USSR fell thanks in part to looting. US would love to goad Moldova into attacking Transnistria like they did with Georgia years ago. I think she was educated in US maybe.

https://t.me/iEarlGreyTV/9005

In Kishinev, supporters of the Moldovan opposition are demanding the resignation of President Maia Sandu and early elections

The demonstrators accuse the authorities of failing to cope with the crisis in the economy and energy sector, and of putting pressure on the opposition. The authorities have banned the opposition party Shor, while representatives of a number of other political parties regularly face searches and detention of their supporters.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on February 02, 2024, 06:33:43 PM


More on Moldova
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/46534 (https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/46534)
??The protests organised by the Socialist opposition against the neo liberal government of Moldova have been going on for many months already:

-  "Thousands of residents from all regions of Moldova expressed their protest against the policies of Sandu and PAS, blaming them for the economic catastrophe that has been affecting Moldova for three years. The rally in front of the parliament building of the Republic of Moldova, despite enhanced police measures, gathered more than 10,000 people, expressing dissatisfaction with the deterioration of social situation, emptying cities and villages, as well as a record level of emigration under the leadership of PAS policies!

ald and Bankrupt Moldova series

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kVnrqBb6y4&list=PLqWdYjn21PdEO19u10zTJCrNazOKq6gf6 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kVnrqBb6y4&list=PLqWdYjn21PdEO19u10zTJCrNazOKq6gf6)
The main video
https://youtu.be/wnDxHTaeNX0?list=PLqWdYjn21PdEO19u10zTJCrNazOKq6gf6 (https://youtu.be/wnDxHTaeNX0?list=PLqWdYjn21PdEO19u10zTJCrNazOKq6gf6)

Talked to a local was life better under USSR?
https://youtu.be/wnDxHTaeNX0?list=PLqWdYjn21PdEO19u10zTJCrNazOKq6gf6&t=282 (https://youtu.be/wnDxHTaeNX0?list=PLqWdYjn21PdEO19u10zTJCrNazOKq6gf6&t=282)
another
https://youtu.be/wnDxHTaeNX0?list=PLqWdYjn21PdEO19u10zTJCrNazOKq6gf6&t=344 (https://youtu.be/wnDxHTaeNX0?list=PLqWdYjn21PdEO19u10zTJCrNazOKq6gf6&t=344)

his summary
https://youtu.be/wnDxHTaeNX0?list=PLqWdYjn21PdEO19u10zTJCrNazOKq6gf6 (https://youtu.be/wnDxHTaeNX0?list=PLqWdYjn21PdEO19u10zTJCrNazOKq6gf6)
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on February 02, 2024, 06:55:26 PM
More Moldova. Transnistria. Seeing is believing. It seems different. Maybe capitalists did not get to loot it as badly???
I learn a lot from video bloggers.

https://youtu.be/5kVnrqBb6y4?list=PLqWdYjn21PdEO19u10zTJCrNazOKq6gf6

this restaurant is like a time warp
https://youtu.be/5kVnrqBb6y4?list=PLqWdYjn21PdEO19u10zTJCrNazOKq6gf6&t=782

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on February 05, 2024, 08:41:22 AM
Looks like the Unholy Macron blinked...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/france-caves-farmers-ireland-solidarity-protests-kick (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/france-caves-farmers-ireland-solidarity-protests-kick)

Will be entertaining see how many promises fizzle...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on February 06, 2024, 11:44:06 AM
I wouldn't trust these statists...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/02/eu-folds-farmers-win-european-commission-president-ursula/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/02/eu-folds-farmers-win-european-commission-president-ursula/)

...what has been shelved can also be attempted to do again...and again...and again...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on February 20, 2024, 08:34:00 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/german-govts-witch-hunt-against-afd-paves-way-dictatorship (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/german-govts-witch-hunt-against-afd-paves-way-dictatorship)

Watching the EU destroy itself I guess is some entertainment...

I guess they think left-wing extremists cannot be dictators...

(Cough) Stalin...(Cough) Mao...(Cough) Pol Pot...and the list goes on...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on February 21, 2024, 12:52:02 PM


I heard that the EU agreed to re-install some fees on Ukr grain going to Poland so the trucker blockades stopped. Now they changed their  minds until 2025 so the blockades are back on.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on February 21, 2024, 02:12:26 PM
Yeah the Polish farmers are opening the box cars and dumping the grain on the ground, can't blame them...plus since their coup and EU puppet took over reckon goon tactics will be coming...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on March 01, 2024, 10:46:40 AM
Euro's blame Putin for disasterous Euro policies allowing themselves to be invaded by hordes of third world invaders...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/apparently-vladimir-putin-also-blame-mass-migration-europe (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/apparently-vladimir-putin-also-blame-mass-migration-europe)

I can see mouth-breathing leftist liars doing the same here...

 ::doublebird::
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on March 02, 2024, 11:03:46 AM
George Galloway just won an election. So the unelected UK PM Sunak calls an emergency meeting and say democracy is under attack. See first couple minutes. The second video is a real smackdown of skynews. Around 4:30 is funny in second video.

https://youtu.be/VwH1heCMrk0
Sunak meltdown. Macron WW3 tripwire. German Crimea bridge audio, cui bono? Biden, Giorgia on my mind

https://youtu.be/QJQ4wUhsRXo
THE Sky News interview Friday 1 March 2024

Here is the funny part
https://youtu.be/QJQ4wUhsRXo?t=237
If this were a fight the medic would have called it long ago.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on March 04, 2024, 08:21:07 AM
If not for despots and fools and their disastrous policies and actions...

But, Europe is cooked, truly...no escaping that...

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on March 07, 2024, 08:12:45 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/eu-wants-fossil-fuel-firms-contribute-climate-fund (https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/eu-wants-fossil-fuel-firms-contribute-climate-fund)

Companies should tell them all to FO, but I doubt they have the sense or guts.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on March 07, 2024, 09:19:50 AM
I said that Euro-Thug Tusk would send in the goons...

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1765412170009919943
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on March 07, 2024, 03:28:51 PM

I  also heard that the EU is considering quotas for each country to take in the Palestinians.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on March 12, 2024, 08:53:15 AM
Nice.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/portuguese-center-right-coalition-ends-socialists-8-year-reign-populist-party-soars (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/portuguese-center-right-coalition-ends-socialists-8-year-reign-populist-party-soars)

Hopefully they succeed in Portugal and for the people there...and give the totalitarians in Brussels heck.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on March 12, 2024, 06:14:47 PM

George Galloway has the UK and others freaking out. He ran on some independent party and got more votes than the next two parties combined.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on March 13, 2024, 08:07:50 AM
Pretty sure nothing is a bigger sh!tshow that the EU entity...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/eu-parliament-sue-eu-commission-releasing-funds-hungary (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/eu-parliament-sue-eu-commission-releasing-funds-hungary)

...the despots there just cannot let go of their seething hatred of Hungary...
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on March 13, 2024, 12:23:19 PM

I recall that only part of the funds were to be released to Hungary.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: patentlymn on March 13, 2024, 07:48:09 PM

There are hundreds of such video clips of people strapped to poles in Ukr.

https://t.me/myLordBebo/25240
 Pavlograd: After EU conform legal reforms, Ukraine is ready to join the west as a full fledged member.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on March 14, 2024, 09:57:54 AM
Can't view it, but sounds like a poor man's pillory...wish we had those for sundry criminals...

Anyway, Europe is such a pooh-show...

Youth in revolt in France - https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/young-french-voters-are-flocking-right-ahead-eu-elections (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/young-french-voters-are-flocking-right-ahead-eu-elections)

French elite having homes raided by thieves - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/she-thought-she-was-going-die-french-stars-and-wealthy-terrorized-wave-violent-home (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/she-thought-she-was-going-die-french-stars-and-wealthy-terrorized-wave-violent-home)

Youths led by shady folks with Muslim names...so shocking...

/

Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: ToddF on March 14, 2024, 03:26:57 PM
Import the third world, become the third world.  Powerless to stop it?  Then you are no longer France.
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on March 25, 2024, 12:54:33 PM
The un-Holy Macron & EU have a bad time with shoving Climate Cult BS down throats...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/03/macron-is-crushed-again-senate-vote-as-eu/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/03/macron-is-crushed-again-senate-vote-as-eu/)

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/03/watch-senator-john-kennedy-destroys-woke-skier-brought/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/03/watch-senator-john-kennedy-destroys-woke-skier-brought/)

So sad to bad...  ;D
Title: Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
Post by: Libertas on March 28, 2024, 08:34:43 AM
Getting harder and harder to a give the slightest frack over the fate of the EU idiots...though some caught in their web is unfortunate...but it is what it is...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/expect-financial-crisis-europe-france-epicenter (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/expect-financial-crisis-europe-france-epicenter)

France in worse shape than Italy...LOL!

Well, there is severe economic and governmental-driven issues in Communist China, certain Latin nations, many African nations, Japan, Mexico...here...