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Topics => World/Foreign Affairs => Topic started by: charlesoakwood on September 11, 2012, 09:54:03 PM

Title: India v. China & Pakistan
Post by: charlesoakwood on September 11, 2012, 09:54:03 PM


More information indicating our State Dept., who has been pickling our friends and winning our enemies, would have better results if they got a day job.  In other words, Romney should shut them down.


India boring border tunnels to take on China, Pakistan (http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-08-16/india/33232484_1_tunnels-rangpo-sikkim)

NEW DELHI: India is finally kick-starting the plan to build as many as 18 tunnels along the borders with Pakistan and China for faster troop mobility as well as storage of critical war-fighting assets like missiles, without the threat of detection by enemy satellites and spy drones.

...
With China resorting to "tunnelling in a big way'' to store important military equipment, the Army wants the tunnel construction plans in the mountains in J&K and north-east to be fast-tracked. "The tunnels will provide shelter to troops and ammunition from both enemy shelling and extreme weather. They can also be used for NBC (nuclear, chemical, biological) protection and establishing command and control centres,'' said a top official.
...

Title: Re: India v. China & Pakistan
Post by: Libertas on September 12, 2012, 07:19:38 AM
I've been saying for a long time courting India makes the most strategic sense right now and into the foreseeable future, but we have a Turd World Dictator for a leader who wants to be best buds with Islamofascists and Commies...free people repel him.  Till we get that trash out...
Title: Re: India v. China & Pakistan
Post by: charlesoakwood on September 19, 2012, 03:48:33 PM


How the border between India and Pakistan is closed, every day. (http://www.wimp.com/indiapakistan/)

Title: Re: India v. China & Pakistan
Post by: benb61 on September 19, 2012, 03:55:40 PM
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How the border between India and Pakistan is closed, every day.

That is hilarious.
Title: Re: India v. China & Pakistan
Post by: Libertas on September 19, 2012, 10:20:26 PM
 ::saywhat::

Didn't I see this on Monty Python before?

When are the camel and elephant races?

 ::hysterical::
Title: Re: India v. China & Pakistan
Post by: Libertas on September 29, 2016, 07:48:47 AM
Things heating up again in Kashmir...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-29/india-assets-slide-after-modi-launches-surgical-strikes-kashmir-killing-two-pakistan (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-29/india-assets-slide-after-modi-launches-surgical-strikes-kashmir-killing-two-pakistan)

I dislike the Pak's, bunch of untrustworthy jihadists mascarading as moderates...but two nuclear nations who hate each others guts could send the region and maybe the world spinning out of control...

Sometimes it doesn't take much...
Title: Re: India v. China & Pakistan
Post by: Libertas on September 30, 2016, 07:27:57 AM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1883306/pakistan-threatens-to-destroy-india-with-nuclear-bomb-as-atomic-enemies-edge-to-the-brink-of-war/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1883306/pakistan-threatens-to-destroy-india-with-nuclear-bomb-as-atomic-enemies-edge-to-the-brink-of-war/)

The Pak's will entertain China's concern more than the Obama Regime...for now...
Title: Re: India v. China & Pakistan
Post by: Libertas on August 07, 2019, 12:31:35 PM
Things heating up in  Jammu and Kashmir...

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-07/pakistan-suspends-bilateral-trade-india-expels-envoy (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-07/pakistan-suspends-bilateral-trade-india-expels-envoy)

...if Islaminals are abusing the spirit of 370 then I have no problem ending it...and so far I have seen nothing to show the Islaminals have been behaving...and the scummy Islamo-Fascist Pak's are not reliable or trustworthy people and no better than the filthy Persian's next door...so eff 'em!

 ::vafancoul::
Title: Re: India v. China & Pakistan
Post by: John Florida on August 07, 2019, 10:31:27 PM
 I'm amazed it lasted this long.
Title: Re: India v. China & Pakistan
Post by: Libertas on August 13, 2019, 08:00:11 AM
More pieces being put in place...

https://zh-prod-1cc738ca-7d3b-4a72-b792-20bd8d8fa069.storage.googleapis.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_desktop/public/inline-images/LOC%20indiapak%20map1.png (https://zh-prod-1cc738ca-7d3b-4a72-b792-20bd8d8fa069.storage.googleapis.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_desktop/public/inline-images/LOC%20indiapak%20map1.png)

...region has been a shytshow since time began...
Title: Re: India v. China & Pakistan
Post by: Alphabet Soup on August 13, 2019, 10:47:44 AM
More pieces being put in place...

https://zh-prod-1cc738ca-7d3b-4a72-b792-20bd8d8fa069.storage.googleapis.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_desktop/public/inline-images/LOC%20indiapak%20map1.png (https://zh-prod-1cc738ca-7d3b-4a72-b792-20bd8d8fa069.storage.googleapis.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_desktop/public/inline-images/LOC%20indiapak%20map1.png)

...region has been a shytshow since time began...

Hmmm - Baltistan - isn't that Elijah Cumming's district?
Title: Re: India v. China & Pakistan
Post by: Libertas on August 14, 2019, 06:59:33 AM
More pieces being put in place...

https://zh-prod-1cc738ca-7d3b-4a72-b792-20bd8d8fa069.storage.googleapis.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_desktop/public/inline-images/LOC%20indiapak%20map1.png (https://zh-prod-1cc738ca-7d3b-4a72-b792-20bd8d8fa069.storage.googleapis.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_desktop/public/inline-images/LOC%20indiapak%20map1.png)

...region has been a shytshow since time began...

Hmmm - Baltistan - isn't that Elijah Cumming's district?

I'm almost 100% certain the Kashmir district is much cleaner, safer and less racist than Rat King Cummings district!!!
Title: Re: India v. China & Pakistan
Post by: patentlymn on August 14, 2019, 07:05:53 PM
I am almost finished reading Monsoon, a book about the region around the Indian Ocean. He starts at Yemen and goes south and east to Indonesia.
It is so complicated I cannot keep it all straight. So much history that is never forgotten by anyone. So many subtleties. He explains the Islam of Indonesia and why it is different.
The Chinese want to suck up to everyone but may have to pick sides on this one. I think the Chinese have some big port they are building in Pakistan, maybe a pipeline too someday. Most of the countries want the US to stay engaged because they are wary of the Chinese.

Monsoon: The Indian Ocean and the Future of American Power
by Robert D. Kaplan  (Author)

Title: Re: India v. China & Pakistan
Post by: Libertas on August 15, 2019, 01:08:08 PM
Me and another poster here long ago had a running discussion on the Chi-Com "String of Pearls" plan, they want to span from Africa to the Middle East to all of Asia as their sphere of unchallenged authority with military and commercial bases for land, air and sea.  Everything they do from facilities, hardware, grabbing contested island and making new islands is all part of this strategy.  Apart from supporting Japan, South Korea and the Philippines US Presidents have done little to nothing or in Clinton and Obama's case worse than nothing...and only Reagan stood openly with Taiwan.  Everybody missed opportunities with India...and they are the key...and left it to be a Navy problem...and little if any time remains to rectify the flow of history.
Title: Re: India v. China & Pakistan
Post by: Libertas on September 23, 2019, 08:21:27 AM
As begun earlier and which began to bloom at the recently concluded G7 meet in Cheese-eating-Surrender-Monkey land (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php?action=post;topic=17350.0;last_msg=180376)...things continue to go well with Modi!

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/09/22/prime-minister-modi-introduces-president-trump-friend-of-india-to-historic-crowd/ (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/09/22/prime-minister-modi-introduces-president-trump-friend-of-india-to-historic-crowd/)

(https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2019/09/modi-and-trump-1.jpg)

India is key, if we want to survive the future, a future where the Pacific rim is going to be center stage, we need allies like India.

If another demofascist asshat seizes control...it will be more Clinton/Obama surrender to China and all the other bad actors on the planet and we might as well pack up and leave!
Title: Re: India v. China & Pakistan
Post by: Libertas on June 16, 2020, 08:29:18 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/three-indian-troops-killed-border-clash-china (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/three-indian-troops-killed-border-clash-china)

Well...I wouldn't take this...certainly not from a damned commie...

India being cautious...but another incident and that may evaporate...

ETA - Looks like India won.

https://www.usnews.com/news/world-report/articles/2020-06-16/dozens-killed-as-india-china-face-off-in-first-deadly-clash-in-decades (https://www.usnews.com/news/world-report/articles/2020-06-16/dozens-killed-as-india-china-face-off-in-first-deadly-clash-in-decades)

 ::thumbsup::
Title: Re: India v. China & Pakistan
Post by: Libertas on June 22, 2020, 08:23:22 AM
Beijing is enraged over current widespread Indian media reports that the Indian Army has been given orders to shoot or use "complete freedom of action" in hostile engagements with Chinese PLA forces along the disputed Ladakh border region.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/indian-troops-given-fire-will-orders-against-chinese-troops-if-threatened-enraging (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/indian-troops-given-fire-will-orders-against-chinese-troops-if-threatened-enraging)

Ohhh...sum ting wong? 

I'll place a wager on India winning and Chi-commies crying like little girls to box this exacta.
Title: Re: India v. China & Pakistan
Post by: Libertas on June 30, 2020, 08:26:22 AM
India not fooling around...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/india-deploys-quick-reaction-anti-air-missiles-ladakh-while-china-warns-prolonged (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/india-deploys-quick-reaction-anti-air-missiles-ladakh-while-china-warns-prolonged)

...while the Chi-Com's pop off...

...but they're distracted by the larger war with America...

http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,16329.new.html#new (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,16329.new.html#new)
Title: Re: India v. China & Pakistan
Post by: Libertas on September 08, 2020, 08:47:38 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/india-test-fires-nextgen-hypersonic-weapon-border-tensions-china-surge (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/india-test-fires-nextgen-hypersonic-weapon-border-tensions-china-surge)

Good.

China is not their friend...as a neighbor they totally suck.

(https://zh-prod-1cc738ca-7d3b-4a72-b792-20bd8d8fa069.storage.googleapis.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_desktop/public/inline-images/Contested-desert-768x644_0.jpg)

We need to support India, cut the cord on NATO & the idiots on the continent...Britain we can deal with on most things, screw the rest of the West...former East Bloc have more sense and yearning for liberty.  India is critical for the region and Indian/Pacific ocean trade routes.
Title: Re: India v. China & Pakistan
Post by: Libertas on November 02, 2020, 09:34:39 AM
Ties with India increase...

https://twitter.com/IndoPac_Info/status/1322750358796464132

...and a closer eye on Pakistan too, don't forget those jackasses!

And, in another regional pivot...

https://twitter.com/IndoPac_Info/status/1323116619246137345

...this makes sense as well, as Vietnam is also lorded over and slapped around by China.

Title: Re: India v. China & Pakistan
Post by: Libertas on May 09, 2023, 01:26:17 PM
Looks like Pakistan's Khan and his supporters have a lot in common with BLMer's...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/all-hell-breaks-loose-nuclear-armed-pakistan-after-imran-khans-arrest (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/all-hell-breaks-loose-nuclear-armed-pakistan-after-imran-khans-arrest)

...my question is are there any outside helping stoke this and are they Indian and/or Chinese?

Secondly and perhaps more importantly...who would get control of their nukes should this go totally sideways?  Seems to me there could be odd bedfellows involved in exploiting this...

...and clowns who think themselves too clever will always succeed in having unfortunate things happen that make other people question their sanity.

This could prove a consequential and catastrophic nightmare...
Title: Re: India v. China & Pakistan
Post by: patentlymn on May 09, 2023, 02:18:36 PM
I watched a long video a while back on Khan. According to this Paki expert, Khan neglected his base where he had only  a slim majority in Parliament. The US had  its thumb on scale somehow, although it did not take much to peel off his majority.  He found some document from the US govt/ambassador and waived it like a bloody shirt.

IMO his arrest was a mistake given his popularity.

From above link.

According to Al Jazeera, "Khan has been slapped with more than 100 cases – including corruption, 'terrorism' and even blasphemy – since he was removed from power last April through a parliamentary vote of no confidence."

Heightening the risk of national instability is the fact that many of Khan's well-placed enemies are top military and intelligence officials:

    Khan's detention came after Pakistan's military spokesman, Maj. Gen. Ahmed Sharif, released an usually sharply worded statement against the former prime minister, warning him not to malign a serving officer. That followed recent allegations made by Khan that a military intelligence official was leading behind a plot to kill him.

    Sharif described Khan's claims as "highly irresponsible and baseless allegations" which were "unfortunate, deplorable and unacceptable."

    To add insult to the allegations, Khan referred to the military intelligence official as "Dirty Harry," from an old Clint Eastwood movie — allegations he doubled down on Tuesday before reaching the courthouse.
Title: Re: India v. China & Pakistan
Post by: Libertas on May 10, 2023, 07:42:06 AM
I am certain if the military wanted Khan dead he would already be dead.

I am also certain there is a lot more going on here than anybody is saying...and I am ruling out nobody.
Title: Re: India v. China & Pakistan
Post by: Libertas on May 10, 2023, 09:45:59 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/army-condemns-organized-attacks-death-toll-rises-pakistan-court-remands-khan-8-days (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/army-condemns-organized-attacks-death-toll-rises-pakistan-court-remands-khan-8-days)

De-escalation likely fail if Khanites keep rampaging...
Title: Re: India v. China & Pakistan
Post by: patentlymn on May 10, 2023, 02:42:09 PM

I am sure many countries have their fingers in this mess.
Long I learned long ago about the old India-China battles in the Himalayas.
The Indians flew their troops from sea level to the mountain heights. The troops could not fight, but were mostly sick, throwing up a lot with major head aches.
Title: Re: India v. China & Pakistan
Post by: Libertas on May 11, 2023, 08:06:15 AM
Altitude adjustment is real, just as getting sea legs is real, decompression for divers is real...

If India, Iran, Taliwhacker Afghanistan, US, Russia, Israel, Saudis, Norks, Brits and Chi-Com's and a few others are not scurrying around there gleaning info and/or scheming I would be shocked...
Title: Re: India v. China & Pakistan
Post by: Libertas on August 10, 2023, 08:13:47 AM
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/08/09/the-intercept-publishes-diplomatic-cable-highlighting-u-s-pressure-on-pakistan-to-remove-president-imran-khan/

Sure.  But the West's socialists learned it from the Russian Imperialists and Chinese Communists.  But, it is wrong no matter who does it....but fat chance getting that to take hold...
Title: Re: India v. China & Pakistan
Post by: patentlymn on August 10, 2023, 10:00:19 AM
Notice how Khan was said to be neutral. That is no longer allowed. In the 1950s Austria opted for neutrality. Eisenhower  reportedly welcomed this as US/NATO was stretched too thin as it was. Today the people running US/NATO are insane. The Baltics are way out of their depth.

Douglas Macgregor recently connected the dots on videos in pithy statements.

Donors, often globalists, control the US govt. Globalists want to destroy nation states. That is why they are flooding EU and US with third world immigrants.

Countries resisting this are subject to regime change.

Globalists hate the Russians the same way they hate the US citizens.

There is some 1993 paper by Soros where he proposes tearing Russia apart using western tech and Eastern Europe manpower as the West and US do not have the stomach for all the body bags. Then the 2019 RAND paper on over extending Russia using Ukraine.

Some US person asked a Chinese diplomat why China did not allow Tibet to be neutral? He replied that weak countries like Tibet will never be allowed to remain neutral and would fall under  influence of a stronger country. China prefers that it be them. BTW once over the Himalayas into Tibet, it is an easy roll into China.
Title: Re: India v. China & Pakistan
Post by: patentlymn on August 10, 2023, 10:52:30 AM

I posted the 1993 Soros paper under east vs west. It is more nuanced that I believed. Or maybe hidden agenda is better stated.

Re: The Paki post above, this is consistent with how I see things.
The great game is for the US to weaken other big countries by peeling off allies and flipping them to the pro US side sung regime change. Also fueling civil unrest inside those countries. Manufacture consent inside the US using the MSM controlled by 6 corporations, to create fairy tales.
Title: Re: India v. China & Pakistan
Post by: Libertas on August 10, 2023, 11:39:36 AM
And Russia allies with Iran and China solely because of Evil American hegemony!

Pah!  They are rank opportunists looking for political and economic gain wherever they can find it, just like in their Soviet days.

Iran is batshyt-crazy and hates America if led by Globalist-controlled DemoNazis or Pubbies or mavericks like Trump.

China cannot deal favorably with America...it has to be allowed (by Globalists trash and their UniParty puppets) to sell us all the cheap crap they make in order to fund their military and pass crumbs to their people to keep them anesthetized to their totalitarian servitude and if they rob our technology and bribe our cronies and puppets well the Americans better accept it or else...and they better accept growing Chinese hegemony in the world and especially the Pacific Rim, or else!  And they better not say true things about China or FJB will censor it!

Russia not once ever tried to improve things during Trump's first term.  A clear indication they have ZERO interest in a friendly America.

I'm willing to see any evidence to the contrary... but I do not believe it exists except in fiction.
Title: Re: India v. China & Pakistan
Post by: patentlymn on August 10, 2023, 12:14:22 PM
I think Russia, China, Iran trade with each other out of naked self interest. US/West has sanctioned them, especially Russia and Iran, and has plans to sanction China over Taiwan. Not being stupid they trade with each other. China wants belt and road to bypass future US sea blockade. All very rational.

Germany's self destruction is not rational. Germany used to export cars to Russia. Now China filled the gap.

Seeing things as a great game makes  things make sense to me. I find the "manufacturing consent" by the MSM and US govt annoying more and more. They make fairy tales for public consumption.

Wesley Clark reported that the US wanted to conduct regime change in 7 countries in 5 years? Or 5 countries in 7 years? All would require fairy tales for the US public.

Someone said that the US wanted regime change in Syria because they were helping Hezbollah in Lebanon against US ally Israel.  That makes sense. Not the US/MSM fairy tale reasons created to manufacture consent. .

Concluding X was done for reason Y is different than saying it is  morally wrong, which is a matter of opinion. So is concluding it was or was not in US interests.

Israel is good at getting their enemies to fight each other. Britain was  a master at this. Right or wrong is a matter of opinion.



Title: Re: India v. China & Pakistan
Post by: patentlymn on August 10, 2023, 03:24:05 PM

I watch travel video blogs off and on. I believe what I see over most other sources (BUT there are controlled video sources from inside China now. )
Iran did not seem that bad, compared to what I expected. People seem down to earth, maybe like US in the 1950s.

Here is the series for Iran. NZ guy. Any US (the great Satan) citizen would need a govt approved minder I was told.
https://youtu.be/0U3-7Ey3siA?list=PLN0FlxE6vY5BJbDJiGWk0gG00c2E07BSF
Play all
🇮🇷 IRAN - Not what you see on the News 🇮🇷
Indigo Traveller

Here is his Iran hitch hiking video.
https://youtu.be/6TleZuubucU?list=PLN0FlxE6vY5BJbDJiGWk0gG00c2E07BSF
 CRAZY HITCHHIKING IRAN 🇮🇷 (11 Cars/500 KM in One Day)
Indigo Traveller

@ME-zl8ts
4 years ago
10 years ago I went to Iran for a visit and the group I was with ended up having a huge accident in the middle of no where. Every person who passed us by offered us food water and shelter. I had never seen anything like that. The car was totaled, everyone was ok, just had minor injuries. I forget sometime how safe Iran is, and how good the people there are.


@skipstang
4 years ago
I am blown away by the hospitality of all the Iranian people you have encountered on this adventure. Real salt of the earth people. Its a testament to the notion that most people are good at heart. Thank you & travel safe.

@Shahrdad
@Shahrdad
4 years ago
Treating the guest and the stranger well is considered one of the greatest virtues in Persian culture.  We say, "The guest is the beloved of God."  Even if you have just a tiny bit of food to eat, you give it to your guest and skip a meal. I grew up on the north of Tehran, in Niavaran, and my father always brought home Americans and Europeans who were hitchhiking through Iran.  Mom would give them a great meal, and they would spend the night in one of the guest rooms.  And in the morning, they'd continue on their journey.