It's About Liberty: A Conservative Forum
Topics => General Board => Topic started by: Castaway on December 13, 2011, 06:27:23 PM
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If I am reading this new stuff correct there is basically going to be a mandate for all vehicles to have bluetooth installed. If your bluetooth device is not factory installed it is illegal to use when driving. Am I understanding this correctly?
If so this is one more thing to drive up the cost of vehicles and yet another law we will pour who knows what into instead of throwing the book at people who drive under the influence of a phone.
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Been shopping for a new one lately and it seems that not
buying a car with blue tooth would require one to order it
that way, much as it would necessitate ordering a car with-
out A/C. They just come that way.
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My little 2011 commuter doesn't have it. I can add it for 350.00. I use a jawbone type headset or I can run it through my Garmin. Both of those would be illegal according to this new deal.
I paid 18,200.00 for my lil chit box. I does have AC and most the other BASIC creature comforts. Finding a car with a 6 speed manual was tougher than pulling hens teeth. I've had it 11 months and 28K miles, somehow managed not to run over anything yet...knock on wood. ::whoohoo::
If you took the mandatory air bags out which have not proven to save many lives per million dollars coma red to the lowly seat belt, about half of the nanny state OBD computer tracking crap out of the onboard computers the car may have cost 13K and still got me back and forth to work just fine?
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Oh please. My truck's a 2000 leftover. I wanted a manual tranny but apparently the engineers couldn't manage that and seats that moved up close enough to the pedals -- 4' 10" here -- so I settled for the automatic.
I've got the mandated airbag, which, considering how close up I have to sit, will have it either smash my sunglasses into my eyes or injure me in another way if it has cause to inflate.
Thank you NHTS Administration.
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My little 2011 commuter doesn't have it. I can add it for 350.00. I use a jawbone type headset or I can run it through my Garmin. Both of those would be illegal according to this new deal.
I paid 18,200.00 for my lil chit box. I does have AC and most the other BASIC creature comforts. Finding a car with a 6 speed manual was tougher than pulling hens teeth. I've had it 11 months and 28K miles, somehow managed not to run over anything yet...knock on wood. ::whoohoo::
If you took the mandatory air bags out which have not proven to save many lives per million dollars coma red to the lowly seat belt, about half of the nanny state OBD computer tracking crap out of the onboard computers the car may have cost 13K and still got me back and forth to work just fine?
What is it?
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My spec has it. It came with keyless operation, and some controls on the steering wheel. That was 2008. I'd imagine it's pretty universal, now.
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One more thing for Big Fugly Brother to exploit...
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When do they mandate that any vehicle without "Factory Installed Blue-Tooth" must be destroyed to save lives?
They could not get the older cars out of service with pollution controls, not they are gunning for communication controls.
Anyone that comes for my 1969 Firebird better have a bullet proof vest or be better armed than me.
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I paid 18,200.00 for my lil chit box. I does have AC and most the other BASIC creature comforts. Finding a car with a 6 speed manual was tougher than pulling hens teeth. I've had it 11 months and 28K miles, somehow managed not to run over anything yet...knock on wood.
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You know, it's so sweet that you are driving a light weight commuter vehicle and you are worried about running OVER something.
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I paid 18,200.00 for my lil chit box. I does have AC and most the other BASIC creature comforts. Finding a car with a 6 speed manual was tougher than pulling hens teeth. I've had it 11 months and 28K miles, somehow managed not to run over anything yet...knock on wood.
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You know, it's so sweet that you are driving a light weight commuter vehicle and you are worried about running OVER something.
He said in a Suth'n accent, the "Bless yore heart" implied but not articulated. ::angel::
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OK Pandy, you just had to make me do it:
In a Yugo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqTKZgEW8pM#)
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I paid 18,200.00 for my lil chit box. I does have AC and most the other BASIC creature comforts. Finding a car with a 6 speed manual was tougher than pulling hens teeth. I've had it 11 months and 28K miles, somehow managed not to run over anything yet...knock on wood.
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You know, it's so sweet that you are driving a light weight commuter vehicle and you are worried about running OVER something.
That has got to be a Chevy Sonic or a Cruze. Nice cars for the purpose of getting there for little money.
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I get 28 mph on the highway in my '93 Fox Body Mustang 4 cyl., 5-speed.
Damn straight I worry bout somebody runnin my ass over . . .
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I get 28 mpg on the highway in my 2006 Corvette Convertible. If they can catch me I deserve to get my ass run over!
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I get 28 mpg on the highway in my 2006 Corvette Convertible. If they can catch me I deserve to get my ass run over!
I get 35 with my 91 M6 but I had to seriously mod the engine to get that 390hp(335 at the wheels)
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I get 29 MPG in my 2000 Grand Prix and lord hep those I tangle with.
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I would get better mileage if I didn't have an addiction to spooling the turbocharger. The onboard computer has a mode that shows current mileage and I've tried driving it around so that the number stays as high as possible. I simply cannot crawl away from stop lights like that. I'll pay the 3.50 a gallon.
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The day I buy a vehicle for the gas mileage is the day I'll just travel by bike.
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They include $5000.00 worth of $hit I don't want as "standard" and I can't get a frigging $20.00 ashtray ! ::gaah::
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At least I was able to get an ashtray in mine. I wanted a manual transmission with a power seat (in order to reach the pedals); apparently the engineering geniusii at Ford couldn't manage the combo.
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At least I was able to get an ashtray in mine. I wanted a manual transmission with a power seat (in order to reach the pedals); apparently the engineering geniusii at Ford couldn't manage the combo.
The power seats are higher off the floorboard so your goal would
not be accomplished. They do offer the option of electrically operated
pedals. There's a rocker switch that causes the distance from seat to
pedal to be increased or diminished.
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At least I was able to get an ashtray in mine. I wanted a manual transmission with a power seat (in order to reach the pedals); apparently the engineering geniusii at Ford couldn't manage the combo.
The power seats are higher off the floorboard so your goal would
not be accomplished. They do offer the option of electrically operated
pedals. There's a rocker switch that causes the distance from seat to
pedal to be increased or diminished.
Not so. Between the two 4-way rocker switches for the seat itself and the manual control on the seatback, mission accomplished. The truck came "as is" and the moving pedal option was not included, as was not the manual tranny.
'S okay; it's a V-8, I CAN reach the pedals, and has dual exhaust, so I can kick butt in a NY minute if I have to.
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I paid 18,200.00 for my lil chit box. I does have AC and most the other BASIC creature comforts. Finding a car with a 6 speed manual was tougher than pulling hens teeth. I've had it 11 months and 28K miles, somehow managed not to run over anything yet...knock on wood.
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You know, it's so sweet that you are driving a light weight commuter vehicle and you are worried about running OVER something.
That has got to be a Chevy Sonic or a Cruze. Nice cars for the purpose of getting there for little money.
It was a a basic Scion TC. not an option one on it. I drove it 28K miles in 11 months. My bride has been talking about getting something more comfy for my commute, she was not kidding. We picked up my new commuter last night. It has bluetooth and damn near anything else you can imagine on it, they get between 29-32 MPG on the road on regular gas.
It came with a big red bow on top, I'll be cruising to work in comfort again for 2012. ::newyear::
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Scion, when they came out I tried to conjure up
reasons to buy one, mine's still working fine today,
buy I couldn't do it. It's still on my list.
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I can't do it,I need a good ride under me for trips. I love my GMC,it'doesn't get the MPG but life is a trade off.
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Lovely F150 through a tantrum which necessitated a rental car
it was a Kia Soul, (I'm a soul man - da dat dada), anyway, it was a
hoot. With a devil-may-care attitude I slipped that little thing through
lane slots on the highway that would have otherwise been only sight
gaps. Had a lot of fun but when I got baby back she was bodacious.
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(http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc232/offnsunset/Vehicles/IMG_2050.jpg)
Give me a lil credit....it didn't drive a gerbil car. ::laughonfloor::
(http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc232/offnsunset/Vehicles/IMG_2099.jpg)
I moved up to the geritol car. Heck 30K a year wears on the ole honey and back. ::oldman:: ::beer toast::
No reason there are not reliable trucks and cars on the road for 10-12K for the average driver to purchase. We ALL PAY FOR THESE 7-10 YEAR warranties, 7-10 air bags, 1000 computerized safety features, nanny proofing child locks and I have't even started on the EPA mandates.
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Is that yours? Looks good, what is it?
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...No reason there are not reliable trucks and cars on the road for 10-12K for the average driver to purchase. We ALL PAY FOR THESE 7-10 YEAR warranties, 7-10 air bags, 1000 computerized safety features, nanny proofing child locks and I have't even started on the EPA mandates.
Don't forget the union pay, medical benefits, and pension.
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The top one was what I have been driving darn near 800 miles a week for the past 11 months, the Scion Tc. The four year old Avalanche boat puller is in the background.
The ES350 is what my spouse bought me for Christmas, traded the Tc in. Just signed a new contract at work with no end in sight on the long commute. We managed to pay off several things this year. I've picked up every extra job I could to help out.
Though it was a tough year...actually two years we are truly blessed compared to many!!!! This mandating regulation after regulation is driving cost through the roof. People are either blind or have no idea of how this stuff really gets paid for.
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Pandora,
Navigator, Mercury, F-150 too
Ford Pats (Passive Anti Theft System) Initialization With The 2534 Global Programmer
September 9, 2010 by admin
Filed under: Ford
There are five types of PATS implementations from Ford (A, B, C, D, E). Refer to Table 1 (page 11) to identify what type of PATS your vehicle is equipped with. PATS initialization is generally performed after programming.
The A or D version of PATS does not store the key information in the PCM, therefore NO PATS KEY RELEARN IS REQUIRED after programming.
The B or C versions of PATS store the key information within the PCM and MUST be transferred to the new PCM, or relearned on the vehicle after the new PCM is installed.
The E version of PATS also stores the key information within the PCM, but CANNOT be transferred to the new PCM. This type MUST be relearned on the vehicle after the new PCM is installed.
Note: If you are just updating the existing PCM calibration with an update calibration, you must select the MODULE REPROGRAMMING function (not Programmable Module Installation). Doing this will insure you retain the existing PATS key information.
IF REPROGRAMMING AN UPDATED CALIBRATION TO AN EXISTING PCM (ALL PATS TYPES)
The Module Reprogramming selection MUST be selected, not reprogram and install (this will avoid a key relearn procedure).
If REPLACING OR INSTALLING A NEW PCM (B, C TYPES ONLY)
The Programmable Module Installation selection MUST be selected. To transfer your PATS key information to the new PCM, your original PCM must be connected to the global programmer first. This must be done to avoid a key relearning procedure. If the original is unavailable, a PATS key relearn procedure must be performed after the PCM is installed on the vehicle.
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I can't do it,I need a good ride under me for trips. I love my GMC,it'doesn't get the MPG but life is a trade off.
Damn straight. All those tree huggin, Yugo lovers can kiss my ass.
See, it does not make economic sense for me to get a vehicle with better gas mileage. In my beloved '96 Suburban, I get about 18 mpg on the highway. If I purchase a new and smaller vehicle that can tow a 4500 pound boat, I would jump to about $120 per week debt service, additional insurance to cover replacement cost for the bank, higher property tax, all paid with after-tax dollars. All to save about 10 m.p.g.
Last time I looked, this was a free country . . .
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Look again .........
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Look again .........
I am.
All I'm saying is that I can see 2012 from my house . . .