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Topics => 2nd Amendment/Firearms => Topic started by: fingerroll on March 30, 2011, 01:19:06 PM
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If you were purchasing a weapon for home defense what would it be?
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A pistola.
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A shotgun.
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A shotgun.
That. ^^^
12 ga. 00 buckshot load, as short a barrel as your state allows (usually 18" IIRC) preferably a modified choke, butt-stock (my preference), pump action (for the intimidating sound as much as anything).
I'd look at a Remington 870 or a Mossberg 500 - something along those lines.
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A pistola.
What's that sayin' from the gunnies? A pistola is the means by which you get to your long gun?
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A shotgun.
Absolutely!!I prefer#4 buck shot. A little more cleaning but excellent coverage.
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A pistola.
What's that sayin' from the gunnies? A pistola is the means by which you get to your long gun?
Actually, I was referring to the 'judge'. :)
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A shotgun.
Absolutely!!I prefer#4 buck shot. A little more cleaning but excellent coverage.
We're on the same page here. I load Fiocchi #4 buck, nickel plated high velocity shot. Italian magic :)
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A shotgun.
Absolutely!!I prefer#4 buck shot. A little more cleaning but excellent coverage.
We're on the same page here. I load Fiocchi #4 buck, nickel plated high velocity shot. Italian magic :)
Being Italian I like the foreign stuff better so I buy Remington or Winchester.
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Shotgun in the bedroom. The JIC. You break in our home, to get to us of anything of value, gotta go up the stairs and down the hall.
The Judge is a cool pistol.
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Shotgun in the bedroom. The JIC. You break in our home, to get to us of anything of value, gotta go up the stairs and down the hall.
That scenario is exactly why I prefer the pump action 12 gauge. I have no first hand experience, but I can only imagine that the metallic "shhhut-shhhuck" of a Rem 870 coming from another part of the house is gonna scare away a good percentage of home invaders.
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Shotgun in the bedroom. The JIC. You break in our home, to get to us of anything of value, gotta go up the stairs and down the hall.
That scenario is exactly why I prefer the pump action 12 gauge. I have no first hand experience, but I can only imagine that the metallic "shhhut-shhhuck" of a Rem 870 coming from another part of the house is gonna scare away a good percentage of home invaders.
Exactly. We've got a pump as well.
I figure if the racking sound doesn't send them flying out the way they came, it's the all-clear for pulling the trigger.
Yes, Radioman; The Judge is a good'un.
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I finished my 870 conversion. Fits like a glove.
(http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/g369/J-reb/TOPFOLDclosedshotshell.jpg)
Looks like this except for black on black and has an LED light.
The light alone should knock 'em on their arses ;D
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With this damned one floor house and a split floor plan I have to make sure that the only body moving around is me.I keep the 1100 in one end of the house and the over under in another and the pump in another.The rest in the safe.
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Shotgun in the bedroom. The JIC. You break in our home, to get to us of anything of value, gotta go up the stairs and down the hall.
That scenario is exactly why I prefer the pump action 12 gauge. I have no first hand experience, but I can only imagine that the metallic "shhhut-shhhuck" of a Rem 870 coming from another part of the house is gonna scare away a good percentage of home invaders.
Exactly. We've got a pump as well.
I figure if the racking sound doesn't send them flying out the way they came, it's the all-clear for pulling the trigger.
Yes, Radioman; The Judge is a good'un.
I also like my 870 loaded with #4 buck, the sound of a shell being loaded will cause them either to flee or to wet their pants and freeze, the latter being just in time for me to get a bead on them!
As far as The Judge goes, I've shot my BIL's with 45's in it, but as far as the 410's I am thinking the range to target has be much closer. (Typically people have the 3" barrel model) Not sure if there is much difference in range between 2.5" or 3" shells, but I like the better stand off distance of a full 12g! My sister likes it at home because I think being a gal she is a little more intimidated by a shotgun, and The Judge being a revolver seems less intimidating to her.
Also, depending how comfortable you are with pistols that may be an option. With the advent of laser sights and lighting options, a decent marksman can be effective with pistols around the home as well.
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I prefer a pistol, but honestly, I don't know how hard the heart would be pumpin if someone broke in and how accurate I might be. I feel I have a better opportunity hitting my target with the JIC.
My hall is approx 25 feet in length. I have a two story, so you gotta break in from below and come up 20 steps. By that time, I'm figuring the perp is tired and the sound of the pump will cause bodily fluid release. If I am fortunate,the perp runs and heads out back for the woods, where I can exit onto my deck and blow off a couple rounds, hopefully sending the perp into cardiac arrest.
It is my dream senario...... ::rockets:: ::laserkill::
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Predators always look for the weakest defense or easiest entry.
A pair of Dobies, burglars don't break in they pass on to the next house.
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Predators always look for the weakest defense or easiest entry.
A pair of Dobies, burglars don't break in they pass on to the next house.
That's funny - we used to have a Min-Pin. Because he looked like a little Doberman Pincher, my son called him "Dobie" while he was playing with him at the breeder, and the name stuck. RIP Dobie.
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I had a golden retriever who might have been good for security by causing the burglar to trip over him as he slept through the entire thing.
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I had a golden retriever who might have been good for security by causing the burglar to trip over him as he slept through the entire thing.
That'd be similar to my cats running for cover at the "scary noise"; if you're awaaaake at the time, it's a pretty good head's up.
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We had one of these.
Rottweiler puppy with hiccups (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-8Ok-h2Ccc#)
Nobody questioned his intentions,if they only knew.That he would let them kill me but would destroy them if my wife and kids were home alone.Me a dead man.
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Pink Floyd
Rottweiler singing Pink Floyd (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbFoYxToBBo#)
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I agree: a pistola...but a laser sight is essential.
IMHO a reliable semi-auto chambered in 9mm that you and your spouse are trained to use is the best first line of defense. A handgun can be kept more discretely in the master bedroom and is therefore more readily available on short notice, such as when an uninvited guest is breaking into your home. A laser sight takes the guesswork out of where your shot is going to go, and is probably more intimidating on the bad guys chest than the sound of racking a shotgun, which only gives away that you don't have a shell in the receiver. A handgun is much easier to maneuver inside the confines of a home, is easier for a woman to handle and has much less recoil. This debate of shotgun versus handgun will go on forever, but with customized laser grips and sights becoming available for many popular semi-auto pistols, I think these are winning out. You still have to aim the shotgun since at short distances, the shot will not spread very much. And, at short distances, you will be more accurate with the handgun-laser combo that you don't have to aim. Two quick rounds to the chest should give most bad guys pause, with the possible exception of a crazed 300 pounder who will need more discouraging. That being said, I have both, but I know I can get to the pistol much faster and be ready for action before I could even begin to think about racking the shotgun.
::laserkill::
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I agree: a pistola...but a laser sight is essential.
IMHO a reliable semi-auto chambered in 9mm that you and your spouse are trained to use is the best first line of defense. A handgun can be kept more discretely in the master bedroom and is therefore more readily available on short notice, such as when an uninvited guest is breaking into your home. A laser sight takes the guesswork out of where your shot is going to go, and is probably more intimidating on the bad guys chest than the sound of racking a shotgun, which only gives away that you don't have a shell in the receiver. A handgun is much easier to maneuver inside the confines of a home, is easier for a woman to handle and has much less recoil. This debate of shotgun versus handgun will go on forever, but with customized laser grips and sights becoming available for many popular semi-auto pistols, I think these are winning out. You still have to aim the shotgun since at short distances, the shot will not spread very much. And, at short distances, you will be more accurate with the handgun-laser combo that you don't have to aim. Two quick rounds to the chest should give most bad guys pause, with the possible exception of a crazed 300 pounder who will need more discouraging. That being said, I have both, but I know I can get to the pistol much faster and be ready for action before I could even begin to think about racking the shotgun.
::laserkill::
Welcome aboard. This is one argument that will never end so I'm not having it.But to say 9mm is not enough gun.
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I agree: a pistola...but a laser sight is essential.
IMHO a reliable semi-auto chambered in 9mm that you and your spouse are trained to use is the best first line of defense. A handgun can be kept more discretely in the master bedroom and is therefore more readily available on short notice, such as when an uninvited guest is breaking into your home. A laser sight takes the guesswork out of where your shot is going to go, and is probably more intimidating on the bad guys chest than the sound of racking a shotgun, which only gives away that you don't have a shell in the receiver. A handgun is much easier to maneuver inside the confines of a home, is easier for a woman to handle and has much less recoil. This debate of shotgun versus handgun will go on forever, but with customized laser grips and sights becoming available for many popular semi-auto pistols, I think these are winning out. You still have to aim the shotgun since at short distances, the shot will not spread very much. And, at short distances, you will be more accurate with the handgun-laser combo that you don't have to aim. Two quick rounds to the chest should give most bad guys pause, with the possible exception of a crazed 300 pounder who will need more discouraging. That being said, I have both, but I know I can get to the pistol much faster and be ready for action before I could even begin to think about racking the shotgun.
::laserkill::
I have no problem with a preference for a pistol over a shotgun. Both are adequate tools. I would differ with you on caliber as I prefer a SW40 in a semi auto load. Laser sights are great although, for me at least, the intimidation factor is useless...if they have the red dot on them it's already too late. I would add a tactical flashlight for home defense.
My preference is three shots. Two in the body and one in the head. At least, that's how I was trained and how I practice.
My defensive shotgun is loaded with alternating shells of 00 buck and slugs. It's mainly for bears. Racking it has no effect on bears.
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Despite my moniker, which is a pistol chambered for the 357 SIG cartridge, I have no qualms about the 9mm. It has been around since 1902 and plenty of bad guys are pushing up daisies because of it. It has really been given a breath of new life starting in the mid 90s with the latest generation of hollow point designs. If you look at the premier hollow point designs in major handgun calibers, they exhibit average penetration and expansion data very close to one another.
That said, I'm not using any handgun if a shotgun is available and is a reasonable option.
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About flashlights and redlights, it appears that one, assuming darkness, is broadcasting his exact location. What am I missing?
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About flashlights and redlights, it appears that one, assuming darkness, is broadcasting his exact location. What am I missing?
That is most definitely the downside. My CCP instructor recommended we consider avoiding laser sights for exactly that reason, and suggested that between the two, he prefers a flashlight over a laser because of the momentary blinding of your target. Unless you're prepared to pull the trigger the moment your sight comes to rest on target, you're giving away your location and your advantage with a laser or a flashlight. If you're planning on yelling out "stop or I'll shoot", the laser sight or flashlight could get you killed in the dark. But the upside to lasers is that they are a foolproof way to aim, and flashlights ID and clarify your target.
I also have no problem with a 9mm. I think it's an adequate tool in most situations, and easy to control. The only thing it's lacking is absolute stopping power that you'll get in a larger caliber like a .357 Mag or a .45 ACP. Someone shot with a 9mm might not drop before they're inside your personal space. With a .357 or a .45 they likely will.
Welcome to the forum Ollie.
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About flashlights and redlights, it appears that one, assuming darkness, is broadcasting his exact location. What am I missing?
Unintended targets, hopefully. ;D
It's a trade-off I guess. Positive target identification is imperative, so good illumination is a good idea. It has a certain tactical value to it as well, as it can be very disorienting to an intruder to be suddenly blinded. Perhaps to mitigate the disadvantage you have pointed out, you could keep the light off while searching. Maybe break out some night vision goggles like the final scene in The Silence of the Lambs? ::thumbsup::
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I agree: a pistola...but a laser sight is essential.
IMHO a reliable semi-auto chambered in 9mm that you and your spouse are trained to use is the best first line of defense.
::laserkill::
Both spouses having the same weapon is a plus. Also the ladies may be adverse to the recoil of something bigger than a 9.
Welcome to the club, OllieK
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I have enough options avialable and blindingly bright flashlights so it's basically dealers choice...none of which will make any intruder feel welcome. ;D
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I have a Fenix flashlight with 660 lumen LED, it has an alternate strobe mode that would be severely disorienting. I can't believe how bright that thing is.
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I have three of 200+ lumens, 2 that strobe, but I love my Lenser the best!
I'd like a Fenix, like this one, to go with my collection.
http://www.batteryjunction.com/fenix-tk40-led-flashlight.html (http://www.batteryjunction.com/fenix-tk40-led-flashlight.html)
;)
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Yep, that is the one I have. It's quite a flashlight!
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Well, that settles that, in my order goes!
::whoohoo::
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If you don't have any already, I recommend getting a few sets of NiMH batteries and a smart charger. I use a LaCrosse BC700 charger and Sanyo Eneloop batteries. They've refined the battery chemistry to the point that they can now sit in storage for 3 years and still retain 75% of their charge. They're a major improvement over first generation rechargeables.
Also the Fenix light has a "smart" circuit that maintains a consistent brightness level until the batteries are almost dead, so there's not that gradual dimming as the batteries drain.
You'll like it!
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Sweet. And yes, I have a couple chargers to go with my Eneloop's! ;)
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Huh. The TK41 is $10 cheaper than the TK40? And the TK41 has higher lumen rating (covers more distance), longer run times and has the latest/most advanced LED's. Everything else is the same and the TK41 is only slightly larger in size.
I might go with the TK41.
http://www.batteryjunction.com/fenix-tk41.html (http://www.batteryjunction.com/fenix-tk41.html)
LED info -
http://www.cree.com/products/xlamp_xml.asp (http://www.cree.com/products/xlamp_xml.asp)
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I wish you hadn't shown me that. I ordered one too. ::beertoast::
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::hysterical::
ETA - I should receive mine by next Monday/Tuesday!
::beertoast::
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My CCP instructor recommended we consider avoiding laser sights for exactly that reason, and suggested that between the two, he prefers a flashlight over a laser because of the momentary blinding of your target. Unless you're prepared to pull the trigger the moment your sight comes to rest on target, you're giving away your location and your advantage with a laser or a flashlight.
Since it would be unwise (if not illegal) to simply fire on a dark figure, even if it's a stranger in your home in the middle of the night, you will need to identify your target before pulling the trigger. Light or laser? Why not both? Take a look at the S&W M&P (comes as 9mm, 40S&W 45ACP or 357) with the Crimson Trace laser grip LG660 plus the Lightguard LTG-760 (due out May, 2011). The laser is actuated by pressure on the back of the grip/backstrap and the button for the light is in front of the trigger guard. Check it out: http://www.crimsontrace.com/tabid/614/Default.aspx (http://www.crimsontrace.com/tabid/614/Default.aspx) A great combo giving you the best of both worlds. I'm expecting my LTG-760 any day now.