It's About Liberty: A Conservative Forum
Topics => Judiciary, Crime, & Courts => Topic started by: Libertas on June 17, 2013, 11:39:18 AM
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“Today’s decision sends a strong message that states cannot block their citizens from registering to vote by superimposing burdensome paperwork requirements on top of federal law,” said Nina Perales, vice president of litigation for the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund and lead counsel for the voters who challenged Proposition 200.
“The Supreme Court has affirmed that all U.S. citizens have the right to register to vote using the national postcard, regardless of the state in which they live,” she said.
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/06/17/supreme-court-rules-arizona-cannot-require-voters-to-prove-us-citizenship/ (http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/06/17/supreme-court-rules-arizona-cannot-require-voters-to-prove-us-citizenship/)
Bullsh*t! There are state and other local races, right? Why cannot a state determine its voting requirements for those races? If these people want to vote in more than Federal races they have to comply or STFD & STFU!
But who GAS anyway? "Voting" in this nation has been reduced to FreeShytism, no skin-in-the-game as established by the Founders...
These morons can all KMA and die! ::mooning::
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Dissenters: Clarence Thomas and Samuel A. Alito.
This helps define/answer the "who is Roberts" question.
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“Today’s decision sends a strong message that states cannot block their citizens from registering to vote by superimposing burdensome paperwork requirements on top of federal law,” said Nina Perales, vice president of litigation for the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund and lead counsel for the voters who challenged Proposition 200.
“The Supreme Court has affirmed that all U.S. citizens have the right to register to vote using the national postcard, regardless of the state in which they live,” she said.
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/06/17/supreme-court-rules-arizona-cannot-require-voters-to-prove-us-citizenship/ (http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/06/17/supreme-court-rules-arizona-cannot-require-voters-to-prove-us-citizenship/)
Bullsh*t! There are state and other local races, right? Why cannot a state determine its voting requirements for those races? If these people want to vote in more than Federal races they have to comply or STFD & STFU!
But who GAS anyway? "Voting" in this nation has been reduced to FreeShytism, no skin-in-the-game as established by the Founders...
These morons can all KMA and die! ::mooning::
However they can burden you with Paperwork to make sure you buy health care or try to buy a gun! You see then its not a burden .
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This was "settled" in the Civil War: the Federal government is master of the states and the citizens. It's a total inversion of how it was created, but it was ready and willing to kill more people than its opponent, so question answered. It always comes down to Might Makes Right.
There's no way out of this mess, no reforming it. The federal government and those who are part of it are absolutely drunk with power and imperiousness. There are no meaningful checks on its power. The courts don't count because they are the government, the states are now nothing more than administrative units tasked with implementing dictates from DC, and elections -- that's the biggest laugh of them all.
I just want the end to come, somehow, some way. The federal government of the United States is an existential threat to the entire planet.
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<While the court was clear in stating that states cannot add additional identification requirements to the federal forms on their own, it was also clear that the same actions can be taken by state governments if they get the approval of the federal government and the federal courts.
Arizona can ask the federal government to include the extra documents as a state-specific requirement, Scalia said, and take any decision made by the government on that request back to court. Other states have already done so, Scalia said.
The Election Assistance Commission “recently approved a state-specific instruction for Louisiana requiring applicants who lack a Louisiana driver’s license, ID card or Social Security number to attach additional documentation to the completed federal form,” Scalia said.
Currently, the Election Assistance Commission doesn’t have any active commissioners. The four commissioners are supposed to be nominated by the president and confirmed by the Senate. The last two commissioners, Donetta L. Davidson and Gineen Bresso, left in 2011, according to the EAC website.
“The notion that the court will not enforce the Constitution unless you first apply to a commission that cannot act because it has no members is mind boggling,” Caso said.>
There are too many issues in this section.....I agree with the general policy of the SC to issue NARROW rulings. But, They seem to be saying you have to come back by a different route. THat does seem burdensome. I would think the failure of the administration to appoint members to the commission means an automatic win for Arizona when it appeals on the right grounds.
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It does seem the SC implied that a law could be written to accomplish their goal,
that this was a poorly thought out law. Write your law so it does not conflict with
the fed, you can do it.
I'm thinking that if the state required a valid photo ID, to cash a check or do any transactions (a DL would comply) and if for any legitimate reason one was unable
to produce an ID, residency would be questioned. If the individual is not a legal
citizen or visitor then be freaking deported this voter problem would not exhibit itself.
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“Today’s decision sends a strong message that states cannot block their citizens from registering to vote by superimposing burdensome paperwork requirements on top of federal law,” said Nina Perales, vice president of litigation for the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund and lead counsel for the voters who challenged Proposition 200.
“The Supreme Court has affirmed that all U.S. citizens have the right to register to vote using the national postcard, regardless of the state in which they live,” she said.
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/06/17/supreme-court-rules-arizona-cannot-require-voters-to-prove-us-citizenship/ (http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/06/17/supreme-court-rules-arizona-cannot-require-voters-to-prove-us-citizenship/)
Bullsh*t! There are state and other local races, right? Why cannot a state determine its voting requirements for those races? If these people want to vote in more than Federal races they have to comply or STFD & STFU!
But who GAS anyway? "Voting" in this nation has been reduced to FreeShytism, no skin-in-the-game as established by the Founders...
These morons can all KMA and die! ::mooning::
However they can burden you with Paperwork to make sure you buy health care or try to buy a gun! You see then its not a burden .
Apparently, you should have argued the case using those definitions.
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It does seem the SC implied that a law could be written to accomplish their goal,
that this was a poorly thought out law. Write your law so it does not conflict with
the fed, you can do it.
I'm thinking that if the state required a valid photo ID, to cash a check or do any transactions (a DL would comply) and if for any legitimate reason one was unable
to produce an ID, residency would be questioned. If the individual is not a legal
citizen or visitor then be freaking deported this voter problem would not exhibit itself.
You've made some strong points with that and would love to see it presented to Scalia.
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Wait, wait, not so bad after all; J. Christian Adams (http://pjmedia.com/jchristianadams/2013/06/17/left-loses-big-in-arizona-supreme-court-case/?singlepage=true) calls it an ".800 win v. .200 loss" for election integrity, that "Scalia foiled 4 of 5 of their goals {of the Left - P.}, and the 4 biggest ones".
"... In the last year, I’ve litigated five NVRA cases and worked on the preemption issues for years, and there is more to cheer in today’s opinion than there is to bemoan. Those complaining about the opinion don’t understand what the Left’s goal was in this case: total federal preemption. On that score, Justice Scalia foiled them; indeed, the decision today was a huge war won, even if the small Arizona battle was lost.
... First, Arizona can simply push the state forms in all state offices and online, and keep those federal forms in the back room gathering dust. When you submit a state form, you have to prove citizenship. Thanks to Justice Scalia, that option is perfectly acceptable. Loss for the Left. Victory for election integrity.
... Next, when voters use a state, as opposed to a federal, form, they can still be required to prove citizenship. The federal form is irrelevant in that circumstance.
After the decision today, states have a green light to do double- and triple-checking even if a registrant uses the federal form. The Left wanted the submission of a federal form to mean automatic no-questions-asked registration. This is a big loss for the Left because now states can put suspect forms in limbo while they run checks against non-citizen databases and jury-response forms. Another significant victory in today’s decision. The Left wanted to strip them of that double-checking power.
The decision today is a great example of how conservatives can be distracted by squirrels running past. It is understandable and forgivable because they aren’t daily immersed in the long-term election-process agenda of the left-wing groups. Nor do they daily involve themselves with the details of election process. But having been in the “preemption wars” for nearly a decade, I can assure you this case is a big win, even if it doesn’t appear so at first glance."
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Thanks Pan, that answers my first question, hopefully states follow suit and request proof of citizenship for state races. ::thumbsup::
Now, all we have to do is figure out what to do to rid ourselves of these pesky FreeShytists. ;)
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War!
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That is my default setting. ::thumbsup::
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War!
Yep.
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So say we all!
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I just want the end to come, somehow, some way. The federal government of the United States is an existential threat to the entire planet.
Jesus. I want Jesus to bring final justice to the destroyers of the United States. I'd rather my beloved nation fall to righteousness than continue to be corrupted by evil.
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The SC wrote for an alternate universe I don't want to live in.
This made me sad. I don't know why particularly hearing this in the news bothered me so much BECAUSE there's always so much to hear and none of it good.
Dear husband still looking for a job.