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Cells, more vulnerable than most people probably thought
« on: December 18, 2014, 02:15:39 PM »
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/12/18/german-researchers-discover-a-flaw-that-could-let-anyone-listen-to-your-cell-calls-and-read-your-texts/

I don't know SS7 from a grilled cheese sandwich, so...but it is obvious stuff is ridiculously easy to hack for those with a modicum of ability!
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Re: Cells, more vulnerable than most people probably thought
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2014, 08:50:13 PM »
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/12/18/german-researchers-discover-a-flaw-that-could-let-anyone-listen-to-your-cell-calls-and-read-your-texts/

I don't know SS7 from a grilled cheese sandwich, so...but it is obvious stuff is ridiculously easy to hack for those with a modicum of ability!

I know SS7 and

1)  Its not used in Cell Phone network Signalling. (there are a number of competing standards..) - it would only come into play when calls are sent to the regular PSTN
2)  Its is run  on point to point links with physical security - you would need a trusted link into the network before you could do serious damage
3) since its Signalling, you can't just "listen to a call"   You would have to convince a huge network of Tandems ( PSTN speak for "router" )  to send the call to some intermediate point for surveillance and then get that same network of tandem to accept the call back into the network and route it appropriately. Its just not all that simple..
4) Monitoring a ss7 Link will let you know who called who and give you a pretty good idea of that path that voice call will take.  Actually slapping a line unit on that trunk at that time is more difficult
5) SS7 was engineered deliberately to allow surveillance by the govt under warrant (CALEA) , so yeah, if you use that process you can listen to a call.
6) Who the hell uses SS7 anymore? 50%  of all voice traffic is carried over SIP trunks which are in fact FAR MORE vulnerable to surveillance. I support a product that does that  in fact.
7) don't want someone listening? - encrypt your voice path.



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Re: Cells, more vulnerable than most people probably thought
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2014, 06:53:29 AM »
Good info.

Me?  I can't do anything at present about the NSA listening in on my calls, they got nothing on me anyway...but I like to throw out a "bleep you, fascists!" now and then just to let them know what I think of them.

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Re: Cells, more vulnerable than most people probably thought
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2014, 04:54:12 PM »
Don't need to break into anything.   All you need is access to the phone companies central office.  If the government isn't listening,  a phone company employee could be.