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Topics => Radical Islam/GWOT => Topic started by: trapeze on April 01, 2011, 02:58:04 PM
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Typical. (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/04/01/seven-killed-koran-burning-protest-headquarters-afghanistan/)
[blockquote]KABUL, Afghanistan — Thousands of protesters angry over the purported burning of a Koran by a Florida pastor stormed a United Nations compound Friday in northern Afghanistan, killing at least 12 people, including eight foreigners.
Two of the foreigners were beheaded, Reuters reported. There were unconfirmed reports that the death toll was as high as 20.
The demonstration in Mazar-i-Sharif turned violent when some protesters grabbed weapons from the UN guards and opened fire, then mobbed buildings and set fires on the compound, officials said. Demonstrators also massed in Kabul and the western city of Herat.
The topic of Koran burning stirred outrage among millions of Muslims and others worldwide after the Rev. Terry Jones' small church, Dove Outreach Center, threatened to destroy a copy of the holy book last September. The Florida pastor had backed down but the church claimed that it went through with the burning last month.[/blockquote]
Count may go to 20 dead. Obumbler is said to be concerned.
[blockquote]Last week, Afghan President Hamid Karzai issued a statement calling the burning a "crime against a religion." He denounced it as a "disrespectful and abhorrent act" and called on the U.S. and the United Nations to bring to justice those who burned the holy book and issue a response to Muslims around the world.[/blockquote]
I got your response to muslims around the world right here, Hamid...
(http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/5452/unclesamfinger1jd3.jpg)
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Ah yes, this would be the same Karzai whose government (that exists only because of our blood and money) sentences to death converts to Christianity.
When, oh when, will people stop pretending that Muslims reciprocate and negotiate in good faith?
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It will not occur to the Left to lay the entirety of the responsibility for slaughtering innocent people on the backs of those who committed the murder. To those who have no concept of personal responsibility, the blame will only be placed on the murderers as a reaction to the real crime - hate speech. They'll say something like...
(Imagine O'Chimpy's voice for full effect)
[blockquote]"...Of course, nothing justifies the unspeakable violence against the innocent such as we've seen against the UN workers in Afghanistan, and our thoughts go out to the families in their time of grief and loss. But if we learn nothing else from this awful tragedy, we must learn that tolerance for those who believe or live their lives differently than ourselves is necessary if we are to build bridges between cultures, religions, countries, and the ethnically diverse peoples of the world. We owe it to those we've lost in this tragedy to do better. So in that spirit, and in their memories, we must condemn the kind of hateful speech and demonstration of intolerance that we saw from Terry Jones and his extremist church. Burning the holy koran is unacceptable, and I will be leading the effort to make sure that once and for all, such hatred no longer has a place in our discourse...."[/blockquote]
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http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,813.0.html (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,813.0.html)
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I didn't mean to step on another one of your posts, Pandora. I did look before I posted this but I guess I didn't look quite carefully enough. My apologies. Feel free to merge mine with yours.
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I didn't mean to step on another one of your posts, Pandora. I did look before I posted this but I guess I didn't look quite carefully enough. My apologies. Feel free to merge mine with yours.
'S okay. I collated, so it was easy to miss.
/It's a picky, picky little show. - Alex Trebek
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I didn't mean to step on another one of your posts, Pandora. I did look before I posted this but I guess I didn't look quite carefully enough. My apologies. Feel free to merge mine with yours.
The trick is to go to search, not the big box on the right but the little bitty "search" in between "help" and "profile", then enter the appropriate word, scroll down and select "most recent entry" then click search. You will then see, in reverse chronology, the usage of your entry word.
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Good point. I will do that next time.
But muslims are still by and large, douchebags for stuff like this. The crime and the lame ass whiny, self righteous indignation type response.
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I didn't mean to step on another one of your posts, Pandora. I did look before I posted this but I guess I didn't look quite carefully enough. My apologies. Feel free to merge mine with yours.
The trick is to go to search, not the big box on the right but the little bitty "search" in between "help" and "profile", then enter the appropriate word, scroll down and select "most recent entry" then click search. You will then see, in reverse chronology, the usage of your entry word.
You know, I never even noticed that little search button. I always just used the window in the upper right, but the button is more functional.
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Good point. I will do that next time.
But muslims are still by and large, douchebags for stuff like this. The crime and the lame ass whiny, self righteous indignation type response.
Glad to be a help. Now, to the problem at hand.
Just shoot them. We've been dealing with this scum since about 700 AD, on a personal level, well, WWII they were Nazis, 1953 Iran we had to pacify, Jimma and the hostages, hijacked airplanes with murdered passengers (one a US serviceman dumped on the tarmac), the massacre at the German Olympics, The bombing of our soldiers in Lebonon, on and on through the hijacking and flight of our planes into our buldings in our country killing our people. Patience is patience and the whole lot of them are indefensibly rot. Kill them now.
We give our guys guns and rockets and stuff for a reason...
To shoot them.
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Good point. I will do that next time.
But muslims are still by and large, douchebags for stuff like this. The crime and the lame ass whiny, self righteous indignation type response.
Glad to be a help. Now, to the problem at hand.
Just shoot them. We've been dealing with this scum since about 700 AD, on a personal level, well, WWII they were Nazis, 1953 Iran we had to pacify, Jimma and the hostages, hijacked airplanes with murdered passengers (one a US serviceman dumped on the tarmac), the massacre at the German Olympics, The bombing of our soldiers in Lebonon, on and on through the hijacking and flight of our planes into our buldings in our country killing our people. Patience is patience and the whole lot of them are indefensibly rot. Kill them now.
We give our guys guns and rockets and stuff for a reason...
To shoot them.
The jihadis are deftly using the West's own professed values against it in an almost Alinskyite fashion. But it only works because we have been systematically denied the ability to formulate measured, individualized responses to things. This phenomenon can be found throughout society, it's part of the Left's universalist totalitarianism. For example, we have such things as "zero tolerance policies" because it cannot be left to competent adults to respond to situations based on the context of particular circumstances. No, we must apply universal formulas devised at higher levels (by liberals of course) to everything.
I think our spinelessness with regard to Muslims is largely a product of this. It has become the all-encompassing prescription of the Left that anything non-white, non-western, non-Christian is automatically imbued with a certain righteousness and anything less than absolute accommodation on our part is racist, imperialistic, eurocentric, whatever.
If I may propose an analogy, for this is how I see our response to the threat of Islam: we are like a patient infected with a deadly but curable disease who nevertheless refuses to take antibiotics because out of all the trillions and trillions of bacteria of that particular pathogen, it's only a small minority of them actively infecting our body.
It's utterly asinine, and it literally spells the end of our entire civilization. And liberalism is the only reason we cannot adequately deal with this threat. It's all so tragically unnecessary to be destroyed by these barbarians. If not for our moonbat overlords....
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Starting with the Age of Enlightenment in the 18th Century and the Industrial Revolution in the 19th, Western civilization moved far beyond the Islamic world and left them in the dust. For nearly two centuries, Islam was not a serious threat to the West. They could cause trouble here and there, but for the most part they were just an annoyance.
The West had self-confidence. We were a superior civilization, we knew it, and we were proud of it. That confidence took a severe blow with World Wars I & II and the rise of Leftism. In addition, the Muslim world received a vast influx of oil money, which gave them power and influence far beyond what they had earned or deserved.
Leftism in turn sapped the confidence of Western civilization. With "white guilt" and "liberal guilt" we were taught to downplay our achievements and be ashamed of our success.
We must regain our self-confidence, and that can only happen with the defeat of Leftism. Until that happens, we cannot possibly hope to address the threat of Islam.
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Nicely put, Ricki ::thumbsup::
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NOw, do we think the UN will see these people for the animals they are, or will they apologize for the UN workers being so provocative by being, well...weak?
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I haven't seen it here, but I am highly irritated that many people feel it necessary to condemn Jones as hateful and/or stupid before turning their opprobrium on the proper, murdering targets.
It's misplaced moral equivalence, IMO.
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Yup, it's his business.
As far as those cultic murderers are concerned, just shoot 'em.
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I haven't seen it here, but I am highly irritated that many people feel it necessary to condemn Jones as hateful and/or stupid before turning their opprobrium on the proper, murdering targets.
It's misplaced moral equivalence, IMO.
I think the guy's a bonehead who would better serve his flock by preaching the Gospel than by attacking the Koran. But I think that is a completely separate issue from these killings, and shouldn't even be part of the story. So I don't say he's a bonehead out of feeling the need to qualify, or correlate. I say it because you're bringing it up for discussion, and it's what I think. So allow me to explain...
I utterly reject the premise being foisted on us by the media and the Islamic freaks that these murders in Afghanistan are in retaliation for the koran-burning. Just because the fanatics say it's so doesn't make it so, and the media has no duty to repeat their claims at face value.
Is a bank teller who pushes the panic-button during a robbery held responsible for the robber shooting someone? Is the rapist exonerated for his crime because his victim enticed him with a short skirt? In both cases the innocent victim engaged in some behavior their assailant found causative. But as discerning human beings, we utterly reject that. The discussion of such things as if they were a legitimate facet of the story is rejected.
Likewise, there is no logical or otherwise legitimate reason for the actions of this pastor to even be mentioned in the same breath as these murders. They are unrelated. To accept that they are related gives a shred of credibility to the notion that there is a cause/effect correlation, and it doesn't hold water.
The problem is Islam, not a lone pastor in Florida trying to prove a point by burning books. To believe otherwise is to believe that if we just do __________, or we just stop doing ___________, then the Muslims will stop killing and beheading people. That is an utterly ridiculous belief.
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That's the way I see it as well.
But ...
... why is Jones a bonehead, in your opinion?
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That's the way I see it as well.
But ...
... why is Jones a bonehead, in your opinion?
Several reasons, the primary one being because he's the pastor of a Christian church and I don't think burning the books of other faiths fits the job description. Additionally...
- The Gospel stands on its own, and preaching the truth of it doesn't require tearing anything else down with visual demonstrations. The Gospel tears down lies.
- It's not as if he needs to burn books to make sure that his flock knows where he stands.
- Book-burning has been used before by governments as a tool of control, revisionism, and totalitarianism. So in a free society, the aesthetics are all wrong, and in my opinion, harmful to the point he's trying to make rather than helpful.
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IDP:
I utterly reject the premise being foisted on us by the media and the Islamic freaks that these murders in Afghanistan are in retaliation for the koran-burning. Just because the fanatics say it's so doesn't make it so, and the media has no duty to repeat their claims at face value.
A little dose of takkiya enhanced by the usual suspect, the MSM.
Several reasons, the primary one being because he's the pastor of a Christian church and I don't think burning the books of other faiths fits the job description. Additionally...
- The Gospel stands on its own, and preaching the truth of it doesn't require tearing anything else down with visual demonstrations. The Gospel tears down lies.
- It's not as if he needs to burn books to make sure that his flock knows where he stands.
- Book-burning has been used before by governments as a tool of control, revisionism, and totalitarianism. So in a free society, the aesthetics are all wrong, and in my opinion, harmful to the point he's trying to make rather than helpful.
Your argument is compelling but I disagree.
-The Gospel is full of visual demonstrations. Jesus with the money lenders comes to mind.
-He did not burn the book to let his flock know where he stands, he did it for the world to see that the book represents the antithesis of life. He did it to show he and his congregation defy any aspect of the cult of death and those who coddle it.
-"Book-burning has been used as a tool", yes; however, in both Testaments the burning of unclean objects purifies and refines them.
The old man is course and his method blunt. As a people we are afflicted by an alien culture most blunt and elements of our culture insidiously undermining our foundation, he is practicing "tough love".
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IDP:
I utterly reject the premise being foisted on us by the media and the Islamic freaks that these murders in Afghanistan are in retaliation for the koran-burning. Just because the fanatics say it's so doesn't make it so, and the media has no duty to repeat their claims at face value.
A little dose of takkiya enhanced by the usual suspect, the MSM.
Several reasons, the primary one being because he's the pastor of a Christian church and I don't think burning the books of other faiths fits the job description. Additionally...
- The Gospel stands on its own, and preaching the truth of it doesn't require tearing anything else down with visual demonstrations. The Gospel tears down lies.
- It's not as if he needs to burn books to make sure that his flock knows where he stands.
- Book-burning has been used before by governments as a tool of control, revisionism, and totalitarianism. So in a free society, the aesthetics are all wrong, and in my opinion, harmful to the point he's trying to make rather than helpful.
Your argument is compelling but I disagree.
-The Gospel is full of visual demonstrations. Jesus with the money lenders comes to mind.
-He did not burn the book to let his flock know where he stands, he did it for the world to see that the book represents the antithesis of life. He did it to show he and his congregation defy any aspect of the cult of death and those who coddle it.
-"Book-burning has been used as a tool", yes; however, in both Testaments the burning of unclean objects purifies and refines them.
The old man is course and his method blunt. As a people we are afflicted by an alien culture most blunt and elements of our culture insidiously undermining our foundation, he is practicing "tough love".
Your thoughts are compelling too Charles, and I won't disagree with 'a one o' them. I don't have a hard opposition to what Jones did. I just look at it on balance and don't really think it will accomplish much of anything of value, and maybe will accomplish something negative. And I guess if I were to be totally honest (this thought occurs to me now, but didn't before when I shared my reasons for eschewing Jones' tactic), I have some concern about how Jones's action causes people to view Christianity. It becomes increasingly difficult to lure people to Christ when their perception of Christianity is tainted by eccentric or extreme pastors.
But just to make sure there is no mistake - I have no concern with offending Muslims. They've earned more vitriol than burning every koran on earth could satisfy.
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What causes me to lose sleep is the CO2 released by burning it. There's no telling how many polar bears have drowned as a result.
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What causes me to lose sleep is the CO2 released by burning it. There's no telling how many polar bears have drowned as a result.
KNUT!!!!!!
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What causes me to lose sleep is the CO2 released by burning it. There's no telling how many polar bears have drowned as a result.
KNUT!!!!!!
The koran burning killed Knut? ::gaah::
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I just look at it on balance and don't really think it will accomplish much of anything of value, and maybe will accomplish something negative. And I guess if I were to be totally honest (this thought occurs to me now, but didn't before when I shared my reasons for eschewing Jones' tactic), I have some concern about how Jones's action causes people to view Christianity. It becomes increasingly difficult to lure people to Christ when their perception of Christianity is tainted by eccentric or extreme pastors.
His deed probably won't accomplish much of value. His actions are in character with "old time" religion and the practice of the faith. I have never bought into the idea that he was doing this for some narcissistic purpose, he's too old to become a narcissist.
There need be no concern how his action would cause people to view Christianity. His actions are in accordance with a conservative interpretation of his responsibility. He is showing that if you are a Christian you must get out of the buffet line and be willing to stand for the Word.
It is good that he makes people feel uncomfortable. The book he burned is the manual for a people that swear by it "death to the infidel", that is you and I. By that book they swear death to us and he burned it. We should cheer and know those that choose to riot show themselves our enemy.
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Absofreakinlutely! ::thumbsup::
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...The book he burned is the manual for a people that swear by it "death to the infidel", that is you and I. By that book they swear death to us and he burned it....
I s'pose that really is the bottom line.
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...The book he burned is the manual for a people that swear by it "death to the infidel", that is you and I. By that book they swear death to us and he burned it....
I s'pose that really is the bottom line.
Agreed.
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A small exposition of the opposition.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_US_AFGHANISTAN?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-04-02-19-24-46
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Obama says desecration of the Quran “is an act of extreme intolerance and bigotry.”
Alinsky never sleeps.
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Obama says desecration of the Quran “is an act of extreme intolerance and bigotry.”
Not nearly as much as reading it is.
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Oh no, it wasn't Jones who burned the beast; It was the Jooos.
Afghan deaths in UN attack (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcZXhuURM_M#ws)
notice the NATO force members killed were Americans and Nepalese Gurkhas. The Gurkhas must be stand-ins for the Brits.
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A BBC female in a five minute interview keeps baiting Jones with the questions you would expect, and he doesn’t sway—he’s very clear. He says that the storming of the UN compound and the mass murder of its employees shows his very point, that Islam is a violent religion.
I would have added: if you say that Islam is a violent religion, Muslims start randomly slaughtering people.
Here’s a video that juxtaposes Jones against his critics, meaning everyone in the world (except me).{Not just Auster - others agree - P.}
Here is the transcript of the final part of the March 20 “trial” of the Koran held at Dove World Outreach Center, with Jones’s closing remarks.
For the moment I will just add this. The Koran is this monstrous book written by the mouthpiece of a sadistic god who calls for our destruction. What is the proper response on our part to this book? To reject it completely. To burn a copy of the Koran is a perfect symbolic expression of our total rejection of this monstrous book. This is what Jones understands and what so few others understand. And why don’t they understand it? Because they don’t totally reject Islam. Consider Robert Spencer. Does Spencer totally reject Islam? Not at all. For all his withering critiques of “supremacist Islam” (rarely or never of Islam itself), his writings assume a future in which Islam is allowed to remain in our society and keeps getting stronger and more numerous among us while we keep reading about it and debating about it and complaining about it and asking rhetorical questions about when it will reform itself.
IOW, not just another faith.
Auster (http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/019020.html)
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Obama says desecration of the Quran “is an act of extreme intolerance and bigotry.”
Not nearly as much as reading it is.
Post of the Day.
::bows::
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HT: gatewaypundit, Video @ link...
Reid, Graham: Senate may probe Terry Jones & koran burning (http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2011/04/dem-leader-harry-reid-senate-may-probe-the-koran-burning-incident-video/)
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid says congressional lawmakers are discussing taking some action in response to the Koran burnings of a Tennessee pastor that led to killings at the U.N. facility in Afghanistan and sparked protests across the Middle East, Politico reports.
“Ten to 20 people have been killed,” Reid said Sunday on CBS’ “Face the Nation.” “We’ll take a look at this of course. As to whether we need hearings or not, I don’t know.”
Sen. Lindsey Graham said Congress might need to explore the need to limit some forms of freedom of speech, in light of Tennessee pastor Terry Jones’ Quran burning, and how such actions result in enabling U.S. enemies.
“I wish we could find a way to hold people accountable. Free speech is a great idea, but we’re in a war,” Graham told CBS’ Bob Schieffer on “Face the Nation” Sunday.
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Sen. Lindsey Graham said Congress might need to explore the need to limit some forms of freedom of speech,
Miss Lindsey might need to explore the First Amendment, whereby it is declared CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW limiting speech.
From Reid, I expect these shenanigans, but from Grahamnesty? I'm getting mighty sick of his sht too. Murdering turd-world lunatics go onto massacre people over some perceived slight - DO THEY EVEN KNOW WHERE FLORIDA IS?? - and Mr. Lavender decides we need silencing?!
Yeah, I swung right back into the outrage column with this.
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How can someone who takes an oath to defend the constitution say that the First Amendement is a "great idea" that might need to be limted?
I don't just want these people out of office. That is not enough.
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I don't just want these people out of office. That is not enough.
Word. They are a clear and present danger to liberty.
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Fran Porretto weighs in with "The Strange Case Of Pastor Terry Jones: A Sunday Screed (http://www.eternityroad.info/index.php/weblog/single/the_strange_case_of_pastor_terry_jones_a_sunday_screed/)
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I hope the Muslims just keep upping the ante then. Announce that the consumption of pork in the West is an affront to Allah. Then can Dingy Harry and Miss Lindsey blame everyone who had a Sunday ham for violence in the Muslim world? Hold hearings?
I literally cannot believe their sh*t. They have deeply internalized this idea that they are our rulers, not representatives. You can hear it in the way Reid is basically brainstorming about hearings, "Maybe, maybe not". It communicates their belief that at their whim they can deign to decide on your behalf what is allowable.
I've about had it with this damn country.
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Why didn't the guards just open fire on the crowd after a warning shot?Why would you let them get close enough to take your weapon? Could it be the rules of engagement are so you get killed and as a distraction they want to investigate a minister???
ETA: If I were Graham I would start by limiting his own speech and Shut the F**k Up.
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Why didn't the guards just open fire on the crowd after a warning shot?Why would you let them get close enough to take your weapon? Could it be the rules of engagement are so you get killed and as a distraction they want to investigate a minister???
ETA: If I were Graham I would start by limiting his own speech and Shut the F**k Up.
They give "rights" to our enemy they deny to us. They truly think we are their servants.
They appoint their ministers, the bureaucrats, to exercise their desire while conducting kabuki theater to entertain us.
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I am not entertained. They can take their bread and circuses and shove 'em.
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I am not entertained. They can take their bread and circuses and shove 'em.
What bread?? All we get is the circus they keep the bread.
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Okay - government cheese, then.
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That's the trick.
The debate is part of the circus.
The controlling agent is not the law the controlling agent is the bureaucracy.
Bureaucratic control supersedes law.
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I'm still pissed off about this one. Why in the hell would armed sodiers stand there and let these animals get close enough to take their weapons?? Why didn't they open fire at the crowd and stop them in their tracks. WHY!
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I'm still pissed off about this one. Why in the hell would armed sodiers stand there and let these animals get close enough to take their weapons?? Why didn't they open fire at the crowd and stop them in their tracks. WHY!
I'm sure it has something to do with the "holy" koran, infidels, and jihad.
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It's the insane Rules of Engagement. Walking on eggshells is official policy. I would only be half-surprised to learn that they were sent on patrols with empty magazines.
The irony is that in their barbarian culture, this is only interpreted as contemptible timidity and softness. The intent of communicating respect and a desire to minimize harm to life, limb, and property is completely and totally lost on them.
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Oh, Mr. Glock, are you saying they would respect us more if we had shot and killed those koranic demonstrators? Mercy!
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I'm still pissed off about this one. Why in the hell would armed sodiers stand there and let these animals get close enough to take their weapons?? Why didn't they open fire at the crowd and stop them in their tracks. WHY!
Because they're not permitted to defend in our sense of the word. They must present a buffer, a non-violent interpolation between those they're assigned to protect and their attackers.
In a word, they're useless.
Ever see the movie "Hotel Rwanda"? That explains everything.
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Oh, Mr. Glock, are you saying they would respect us more if we had shot and killed those koranic demonstrators? Mercy!
Don't know if they would respect us or not, but Machiavelli covered the subject pretty well.
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I thought he was non-violent.
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There is no coming to an accommodation with these people . They are no longer interested in even converting us . They won't be satisfied until we're dead and the sooner we understand that the better . It will be one way or the other . There's no in between for them . I may not live to see it but global , all-out war with Islam is in the offing and it will decide the very nature of humanity before the end of this century .
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This perversion called islam needs to get a reality check.
http://plancksconstant.org/blog1/2010/09/muslims_burn_bibles_routinely_and_often.html
It is coming close to the final confrontation with this bunch of death loving miscreants.
America and the world need to listen to what they say as they mean every word of it. We just refuse to believe what we hear.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/03/here-is-fitna.html
Ten Obvious Reasons Why
Islam is NOT a Religion of Peace
#1 14,000 deadly terror attacks committed explicitly in the name of Islam in just the last eight years. (Other religions combined for perhaps a dozen or so).
#2 Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, had people killed for insulting him or criticizing his religion. This included women. Muslims are told to emulate the example of Muhammad.
#3
Muhammad said in many places that he has been "ordered by Allah to fight men until they testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is his messenger." In the last nine years of his life, he ordered no less than 65 military campaigns to do exactly that.
Muhammad inspired his men to war with the basest of motives, using captured loot, sex and a gluttonous paradise as incentives. He beheaded captives, enslaved children and raped women captured in battle. Again, Muslims are told to emulate the example of Muhammad.
#4
After Muhammad died, the people who lived with him, and knew his religion best, immediately fell into war with each other.
Fatima, Muhammad's favorite daughter, survived the early years at Mecca safe and sound, yet died of stress from the persecution of fellow Muslims only six months after her father died.
Fatima's husband Ali, who was the second second convert to Islam and was raised like a son to Muhammad, fought a civil war against an army raised by Aisha, Muhammad's favorite wife - and one whom he had said was a "perfect woman." 10,000 Muslims were killed in a single battle, waged less than 25 years after Muhammad's death.
Three of the first four Muslim rulers (caliphs) were murdered. All of them were among Muhammad's closest companions. The third caliph was killed by allies of the son of the first (who was murdered by the fifth caliph a few years later, then wrapped in the skin of a dead donkey and burned). The fourth caliph (Ali) was stabbed to death after a bitter dispute with the fifth. The fifth caliph went on to poison one of Muhammad's two favorite grandsons. The other grandson was later beheaded by the sixth caliph.
The infighting and power struggles between Muhammad's family members, closest companions and their children only intensified with time. Within 50 short years of Muhammad's death, even the Kaaba, which had stood for centuries under pagan religion, lay in ruins from internal Muslim war...
And that's just the fate of those within the house of Islam!
#5 Muhammad directed Muslims to wage war on other religions and bring them under submission to Islam. Within the first few decades following his death, his Arabian companions invaded and conquered Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist and Zoroastrian lands.
A mere 25 years after Muhammad's death, Muslim armies had captured land and people within the borders of over 28 modern countries outside of Saudi Arabia.
#6
Muslims continued their Jihad against other religions for 1400 years, checked only by the ability of non-Muslims to defend themselves. To this day, not a week goes by that Islamic fundamentalists do not attempt to kill Christians, Jews, Hindus and Buddhists explicitly in the name of Allah.
None of these other religions are at war with each other.
#7 Islam is the only religion that has to retain its membership by threatening to kill anyone who leaves. This is according to the example set by Muhammad.
#8 Islam teaches that non-Muslims are less than fully human. Muhammad said that Muslims can be put to death for murder, but that a Muslim could never be put to death for killing a non-Muslim.
#9
The Qur'an never once speaks of Allah's love for non-Muslims, but it speaks of Allah's cruelty toward and hatred of non-Muslims more than 500 times.
#10
"Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar!"
(The last words from the cockpit of Flight 93)
Just think they base the entire muslim belief system on the word of a malignant child molester.
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I agree SH, but the terminally suicidal leftists are incapable of giving up their multi-culti/diversity/pc cult so getting them to agree to an "it's them or us" realization is impossible. And they would view OLJ's post as hate speech even though it appears factual to me.
So the biggest problem we have is in our own damn country! If we can't straighten that out, the enemy from without will emerge victorious for sure!
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I agree SH, but the terminally suicidal leftists are incapable of giving up their multi-culti/diversity/pc cult so getting them to agree to an "it's them or us" realization is impossible. And they would view OLJ's post as hate speech even though it appears factual to me.
So the biggest problem we have is in our own damn country! If we can't straighten that out, the enemy from without will emerge victorious for sure!
They are at war with us (declared) and the sooner we actually listen to what they are saying to us the better. All out war between the two cultures is now inevitable.
They have declared they intend to rule the world. BELIEVE THEM
Edit: It is the enemy within that I would worry about.
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Here the story and vids:H/T nbpundit.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703712504576241110591067484.html?mod=WSJ_hp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsSecond (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703712504576241110591067484.html?mod=WSJ_hp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsSecond)
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"Stand up against the enemies of the Quran with your pen," one of the men shouted from the podium, videos show. "Stand up against them with your voices. Stand up against them with weapons. It is everyone's right to stand up against them and make a jihad."
General Petraeus, with all due respect, these people are targets.
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"Stand up against the enemies of the Quran with your pen," one of the men shouted from the podium, videos show. "Stand up against them with your voices. Stand up against them with weapons. It is everyone's right to stand up against them and make a jihad."
General Petraeus, with all due respect, these people are targets.
Agreed. The burning Koran flushed them out, what comes next should be a no-brainer.
Please, let us burn more Korans!
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"Stand up against the enemies of the Quran with your pen," one of the men shouted from the podium, videos show. "Stand up against them with your voices. Stand up against them with weapons. It is everyone's right to stand up against them and make a jihad."
General Petraeus, with all due respect, these people are targets.
Agreed. The burning Koran flushed them out, what comes next should be a no-brainer.
Please, let us burn more Korans!
Trust me they'll struggle to figure it out.
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Add this to the list of problems that will never be solved as long as Leftists are allowed to run roughshod over the nations of the West. Until we finally have a showdown with the Left, we will remain hogtied in our ability to deal with this other threat.
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There is no coming to an accommodation with these people . They are no longer interested in even converting us . They won't be satisfied until we're dead and the sooner we understand that the better . It will be one way or the other . There's no in between for them . I may not live to see it but global , all-out war with Islam is in the offing and it will decide the very nature of humanity before the end of this century .
Exactly.