It's About Liberty: A Conservative Forum
Topics => General Board => Topic started by: Weisshaupt on May 10, 2012, 01:05:03 PM
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DHS starting a revolution deliberately? (http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/46516)
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It's nice to see this kind of information being presented in whole in a media outlet. Most of us here (if not all) already understand this. But we have pieced it together from tidbits here and there. This is all in one place so it's good to have it so it can be shown to others.
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This Administration truly is dumberer than a bag of hammers. And they most certainly are fomenting divisiveness, particularly along racial lines. But they aren't really smart enough to think through what would really happen if they attempted to incite civil war.
One of the lessons that we can ponder from the collapse of the Soviet Union, the fall of the Berlin Wall, et al; is that even with an entire upheaval of the social order, chaos was not universal, and civilization asserted itself. Not ideally, perhaps, but certainly not on the apocalyptic order of things that the movies would have us expect.
Can we expect civil unrest? Riots? Looting? Generalized lawlessness in parts of the country?
I think so. But I don't think it will last terribly long, especially if the situation seems serious enough that those gosh darned high visibility vigilante groups like the NRA or the American Legion or something get involved.
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I think so. But I don't think it will last terribly long, especially if the situation seems serious enough that those gosh darned high visibility vigilante groups like the NRA or the American Legion or something get involved.
If they start using foreign troops to police, or delay elections, you will have military defections and militias popping up everywhere.
Pretty much the dumbest route they could take - unless they plan to use Nukes, Chemical and biological weapons to control the population in true NWO style. The Drone tech is neat, but NO its not decisive, and certainly won't be against an army of 3 million. Those hunter seekers still rely on a signal from the ground, and that means an antenna - which means jamming and EMP pulse weapons would be effective against them.
There would be no other way to neutralize the armed citizenry up in arms, or otherwise performing sabotage, DOS attacks and guerrilla attacks on those willing to serve that operation. They have way too many people paying attention and getting ready now. If they had tried it 4 years ago, maybe. Its too late now.
Racial demagoguery for political reasons? Absolutely. False Flag attack on the President for political reasons? Sure. Inciting Riots? Yeah, they might. But it would be to get him reelected. Riots in the streets are going to occur in urban areas - so what is your excuse for DHS in the country side? Taking us to a police state just won't be that easy. Revolutionaries need chaos, but chaos means Patriots are free to act as well.
Mass extermination would be their only option. Too bad we won't be around to watch the look on our liberal neighbors faces. My bet would be on a plague- Plausible deniability, forced evacuations, "inoculation camps", travel restrictions etc. The H1N1 BS was probing to see how people would react. If I hear of an "outbreak" this year - we are on the back roads to the cabin.
But I try never to attribute to malice what incompetence will explain. Stupid Keynesian Stimulus plans and and Cloward-Piven aren't new, and seeing them in the wild isn't proof of a conspiracy. Nor is DHS preparing for Civil unrest. We see what is coming, and so do they. The question is if they are in fact gloating over TSA pat downs and sending agents to do false flag operations. If you are capable of running a conspiracy of this magnitude then you are capable of coming up with a plan to deal with those pesky Conservatives, and such a plan will make Hitler look like a rank amateur.
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This Administration truly is dumberer than a bag of hammers. And they most certainly are fomenting divisiveness, particularly along racial lines. But they aren't really smart enough to think through what would really happen if they attempted to incite civil war.
One of the lessons that we can ponder from the collapse of the Soviet Union, the fall of the Berlin Wall, et al; is that even with an entire upheaval of the social order, chaos was not universal, and civilization asserted itself. Not ideally, perhaps, but certainly not on the apocalyptic order of things that the movies would have us expect.
Can we expect civil unrest? Riots? Looting? Generalized lawlessness in parts of the country?
I think so. But I don't think it will last terribly long, especially if the situation seems serious enough that those gosh darned high visibility vigilante groups like the NRA or the American Legion or something get involved.
Perhaps what is planned is a "crackdown" before we can stabilize on our own or those gosh darned groups do it.
24x7x365 cable news and the LSM alphabet networks will be showing the out-of-control areas only, and relentlessly, in the hopes, I believe, that people will be fooled into thinking it more widespread and worse than it is and calling on "the authorities" to intervene, to "save" them.
It's the reverse of the point I've raised previously that this regime can easily hide the numbers of unemployed because they aren't lined up at unemployment and EBT offices; they're kept off the street and out of sight because the money comes to them.
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Man o man I really hope that is just a bunch of drug induced halucinations...or we be in heap big trouble Kemosabe!
I don't need much more to convince me to walk away from the world and batten down the hatches!
::foilhathelicopter:: machinegun
I suppose there won't be any solid confirmation of any of this until, well, poop meets fan!
Lock 'N Load!
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I suppose there won't be any solid confirmation of any of this until, well, poop meets fan!
Actually what I feel makes this interesting is that is IS making some firm short term predictions that can be tested.
Will Farrakhan play a major role in riots this summer?
Does DHS impose Curfews and Checkpoints OUTSIDE of affected areas?
Do they attempt to delay the elections?
Is there an attack made on Obama's life? ( this is a dead giveaway if this happens before the election)
Are U.N. troops used in any capacity?
If tany of these events occurs, we probably need to start considering this account plausible..
Here is the original Interview that "went viral" (http://www.trunews.com/Audio/5_02_12_wednesday_trunews2.mp3) accorind to the article claims.
The next day (http://www.trunews.com/Audio/5_03_12_thursday_trunews2.mp3) had another guy talks about TSA at around 20:00
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This Administration truly is dumberer than a bag of hammers. And they most certainly are fomenting divisiveness, particularly along racial lines. But they aren't really smart enough to think through what would really happen if they attempted to incite civil war.
One of the lessons that we can ponder from the collapse of the Soviet Union, the fall of the Berlin Wall, et al; is that even with an entire upheaval of the social order, chaos was not universal, and civilization asserted itself. Not ideally, perhaps, but certainly not on the apocalyptic order of things that the movies would have us expect.
Can we expect civil unrest? Riots? Looting? Generalized lawlessness in parts of the country?
I think so. But I don't think it will last terribly long, especially if the situation seems serious enough that those gosh darned high visibility vigilante groups like the NRA or the American Legion or something get involved.
Perhaps what is planned is a "crackdown" before we can stabilize on our own or those gosh darned groups do it.
24x7x365 cable news and the LSM alphabet networks will be showing the out-of-control areas only, and relentlessly, in the hopes, I believe, that people will be fooled into thinking it more widespread and worse than it is and calling on "the authorities" to intervene, to "save" them.
It's the reverse of the point I've raised previously that this regime can easily hide the numbers of unemployed because they aren't lined up at unemployment and EBT offices; they're kept off the street and out of sight because the money comes to them.
I would not be surprised at all, if that was on the planning board.
However, as Weisshaupt so ably explained, their only real option for controlling the American population is killing us all.
Because we don't need to be "organized." We just need targets of opportunity, and there are plenty of them. And that's the part that has always escaped ideologues who believe in central planning: individual initiative.
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Since I don't trust leftists to do anything but be evil, I keep an eye on 'em anyway, this kind stuff just ups my scruitiny level a couple more notches. We'll watch for the flags and be ready to ring the alarms.
;)
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However, as Weisshaupt so ably explained, their only real option for controlling the American population is killing us all.
"Flyover America" is quite a large area to try and kill.
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From the liberals, and a substantial number of those "let cooler heads prevail" conservatives, you always hear some variation of the "what good is a rifle against a M1 tank?" argument.
The strict answer is "Not much", but the very question betrays a lack of thought. The overwhelming power of the military is designed for warfare against enemy states, preferably on their turf rather than ours. They can't leverage that power in a domestic civil conflict to the same extent unless they are prepared to destroy their own infrastructure. Then there's also the very real point that there is not an inexhaustible supply of guys willing to be first man through the door.
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From the liberals, and a substantial number of those "let cooler heads prevail" conservatives, you always hear some variation of the "what good is a rifle against a M1 tank?" argument.
The strict answer is "Not much", but the very question betrays a lack of thought. The overwhelming power of the military is designed for warfare against enemy states, preferably on their turf rather than ours. They can't leverage that power in a domestic civil conflict to the same extent unless they are prepared to destroy their own infrastructure. Then there's also the very real point that there is not an inexhaustible supply of guys willing to be first man through the door.
How many more guns than a handful would have won the day for the Warsaw Ghetto Jews?
It's not what you have; it's what you can "liberate". The "overwhelming power of the military" doesn't belong solely to the military.
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However, as Weisshaupt so ably explained, their only real option for controlling the American population is killing us all.
"Flyover America" is quite a large area to try and kill.
And that's the part that has always escaped ideologues who believe in central planning: individual initiative.
They are up in the collective so deep that the concept of and how individuals
with initiative complement each other, it confounds them.
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As to http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/46516 (http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/46516) , I don't think so.
He is campaigning on what he is and what his base wants he will continue
his campaign to the left and will win the election. He will then say America
has spoken and I am what the people want. It will then be up to
America to either call his hand or allow him to play it.
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As to http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/46516 (http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/46516) , I don't think so.
He is campaigning on what he is and what his base wants he will continue
his campaign to the left and will win the election. He will then say America
has spoken and I am what the people want. It will then be up to
America to either call his hand or allow him to play it.
Not gonna happen, CO. Not.
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What's not going to happen? He's not going to cause pre-election tumult or
if he's elected he's going to bow out open up 44's Presidential library and Sodomy den?
Or he's going to be reelected and the folks are going to sit home an itch.
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What's not going to happen? He's not going to cause pre-election tumult or,
if he's elected, he's going to bow out, open up 44's Presidential library and Sodomy den?
Or he's going to be reelected and the folks are going to sit home an itch.
He'll not be re-elected.
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The hypothesis is that he will be reelected. It will be a free and fair
election but they will count the votes and no matter how the electorate
votes he will be reelected. Then it will be up to the electorate to pay or
play. That's they hypothesis.
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The hypothesis is that he will be reelected. It will be a free and fair
election but they will count the votes and no matter how the electorate
votes he will be reelected. Then it will be up to the electorate to pay or
play. That's they hypothesis.
They? Whose?
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They has one too many y's.
Whose, mine.
It is more likely he will "win" the election than that he will
start something before the election. There's no reason to
deliberately to impede the steady progress he is making.
Every speech he makes and every act appeals to part of his
base and his election will be vindication. Then he will have
30% of the population ready to jump for him and "legal"
justification in the eyes of the world. If he goes in before
the election world opinion will be different. That's the
theory.
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They has one too many y's.
Whose, mine.
It is more likely he will "win" the election than that he will
start something before the election. There's no reason to
deliberately to impede the steady progress he is making.
Every speech he makes and every act appeals to part of his
base and his election will be vindication. Then he will have
30% of the population ready to jump for him and "legal"
justification in the eyes of the world. If he goes in before
the election world opinion will be different. That's the
theory.
He isn't making steady progress; for example, the day after his "come to gay "marriage" speech", Romney jumped in the polls. 30% of the population does not winning an election make.
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"Win" the election.
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"Win" the election.
Yah, okay. You're the one who stated "30%".
We'll see.
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Yer not listening to the theory.
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Yer not listening to the theory.
Okay; here's your theory, yes?
"It is more likely he will "win" the election than that he will
start something before the election. There's no reason to
deliberately to impede the steady progress he is making.
Except he isn't making steady progress; he came out in support of teh gayz and Romney got the bump, not him.
Every speech he makes and every act appeals to part of his
base and his election will be vindication. Then he will have
30% of the population ready to jump for him and "legal"
justification in the eyes of the world.
30% willing to jump does not an election win.
If he goes in before the election world opinion will be different. That's the
theory."
"Goes in" where and what?
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::falldownshocked::
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::hysterical::
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I think what Charles is saying is that Big O and his cabal will manufacture a win, and then use that victory in a "free and fair election" as proof of a voter mandate to continue the fundamental disemboweling of America.
Personally I don't think it is going to play out like that. I think there are too many people who want this a-hole out at all costs. Democrat shenanigans might have worked in 2008. 2012 will be a much tougher one to steal.
Now, aside from all this one thing that does remain a possibility (or likelihood) is a dramatic increase in goblin activity. We already see that his cabal is willing to whip up mobs into class and racial animosity, and that's just in the prelude to the election. What about if he loses the election? There's a real possibility of Reginald Denny scenarios playing out in cities all over the country.
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Thanks, I hope you cleared it up. It is a theory and as long as he continues
to tack left the possibility that it's correct increases.
This, The Left’s National Vote Fraud Strategy Exposed (http://www.rightsidenews.com/2012050816185/editorial/rsn-pick-of-the-day/the-lefts-national-vote-fraud-strategy-exposed.html), also elaborates on some of the goblins also.
He and his cadre haven't played by the rules so far why should we expect him to
do so through and after this election cycle?
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And God said, “This is the sign of the covenant that I make
between me and you and every living creature that is with you,
for all future generations: I have set my bow in the cloud, and
it shall be a sign of the covenant between me and the earth.
Zip Link (http://weaselzippers.us/2012/05/13/newsweek-the-first-gay-president/)
(http://weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Newsweek.jpg)
Obama Lets Go Of Fear (http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/05/obama-lets-go-of-fear.html)
Andrew Sullivan
I do not know how orchestrated this was; and I do not know how calculated it is. What I know is that, absorbing the news, I was uncharacteristically at a loss for words for a while, didn't know what to write, and, like many Dish readers, there are tears in my eyes.
So let me simply say: I think of all the gay kids out there who now know they have their president on their side. I think of Maurice Sendak, who just died, whose decades-long relationship was never given the respect it deserved. I think of the centuries and decades in which gay people found it Weddingaisleimpossible to believe that marriage and inclusion in their own families was possible for them, so crushed were they by the weight of social and religious pressure. I think of all those in the plague years shut out of hospital rooms, thrown out of apartments, written out of wills, treated like human garbage because they loved another human being. I think of Frank Kameny. I think of the gay parents who now feel their president is behind their sacrifices and their love for their children. ...
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Interesting picture. All I can say is that people have lost their..."franchise" for less.
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Interesting picture. All I can say is that people have lost their..."franchise" for less.
Not sure I can say which one has sunk lower, Newsweak or Sullivan.
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Sen. Rand Paul: Didn't think Obama's view 'could get any gayer'
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-rand-paul-obama-gayer-20120512,0,7525076.story (http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-rand-paul-obama-gayer-20120512,0,7525076.story)
Yeah, I agree.
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Thanks, I hope you cleared it up. It is a theory and as long as he continues
to tack left the possibility that it's correct increases.
This, The Left’s National Vote Fraud Strategy Exposed (http://www.rightsidenews.com/2012050816185/editorial/rsn-pick-of-the-day/the-lefts-national-vote-fraud-strategy-exposed.html), also elaborates on some of the goblins also.
He and his cadre haven't played by the rules so far why should we expect him to
do so through and after this election cycle?
I suspect this election will be one of the most highly scrutinized elections in American History. Voter Fraud will only help you if the election is close. The more Obama moves to the left the more he alienates the rest of America, leaving him with only 30%
This whole Gay Marriage thing is going to kill him. Like his popularity, his number stay up because no one wants to be accused of racism, just like no one wants to be accused of homophobia. But in the ballot booth, you can bet that its going to cost him more than a few votes - for the same reason the Amendments defining marriage as Man and Woman keep passing - even in "liberal controlled" areas like California. His movement to the left makes a close election less likely, not more, and there are limits to what his fraud machine can accomplish
If massive voter fraud is used, or the election outright stolen via other means, it would only be to create the unrest Obama would need to clamp down and go full fascist - it would not be to give him legitimacy. Do you thin Russia or China care if he is legitimate or not? Will any country in Europe even matter or be in a position to care in 6 months? In the end, destroying the legitimacy of the government might be Obama's ultimate goal. Just as destroying the legitimacy of the currency certainly has been. Obama is enough of a true believer that I am not sure he is after power. He merely wants to see and end to America. If he leaves us broke and in a civil war, he might be fine with that - even if he isn't the one leading the pro-totalitarian, anti-freedom forces in the end. OI am sure he would take the job provided it offered him enough opportunity to punish white imperialist Americans - but I am not sure its his ultimate goal.
Obama is petty, selfish and narcissistic but he is cast himself as savior, and any characterization that doesn't let him play that role, I suspect will leave him bored and uninterested.
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This is the great left's last chance. All the lions of the left are very old or
are approaching very old and there are no successors capable of filling
their shoes. Their protege's may be very competent but they are not lions.
These cornered rats will go all out to win this election by hook or crook.
They intend to take it, own it, win it. All this leftist propaganda is the
foundation for the new America. The ignorant children that have been
raised by nanny know no different and when they seek historical reference
they will find it. The sycophant educators and media have been busy writing
a faux history from which these new Americans may reference themselves.
We've seen this movie before, we are remnant of the true great America.
Supposition: It's not a real election. The fix is in.
The machines are rigged and when the votes are tallied the states he carries
will be plausible blue states and blueish swing states. We will know it's rigged
but what will we do? If we take it to court it will be his court, we know that.
All the trash history that's been written, the history trashing conservatism and capitalism and all that the media has been printing for the last three years,
"We're all Socialists Now", will be presented as fact and these ignorant dolts that they've been cranking out of government schools will know no better.
I'm not saying this is fact, just that it is an alternative view.
Can you really see him and Soros and Ayers et al accepting
a loss?
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I also know that reality is not optional. Rush has been talking about one particular example of that. As the unemployment rate is artificially lowered, it triggers the removal of extended unemployment benefits. So now thousands of people are having their payments cut off. The trouble for the regime is, it's a manufactured improvement. These people have no better job opportunities than they did before, the only difference is that now they're PO'd because they're not getting unemployment either. The regime attempts to manufacture favorable numbers here, and reality asserts itself over there.
The question is, will these people be more motivated to take out their angst on Obama, or the Republicans (who will predictably be assigned the blame for it all by the media)?
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I don't know about a fix...and the unemployed masses could jump in three different directions on any given day...but bottom line I think it would have to be one spectacular fix to stop the USS Obama from plunging into the abyss, but we have Paul to worry about, it is not anywhere near certain he'll accept Romney under any circumstances...so a three-way race could end up being a repeat of '92. I said it before, if Romney had any sense at all he would offer Paul any position he desires in a new Admin, no matter what he asks for, give it, and this should be a done deal...and it would force Team Evil to either accept defeat or go full-bore Fascist...either way we will know what we are up against.
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I say offer Paul Sec. Treas. I would love to see that.
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Libertas, I think your fear may be unfounded. I'm not 100% certain of that, though.
What Romney has to fear are the Paul supporters not voting for him.
And there are more than that. Real conservatives and Tea Party types.
Romney has no enthusiasm backing him.
He has no plans to cut the size of government.
http://www.examiner.com/article/mitt-romney-takes-jab-at-ron-paul-s-plan-to-cut-1-trillion-first-year (http://www.examiner.com/article/mitt-romney-takes-jab-at-ron-paul-s-plan-to-cut-1-trillion-first-year)
Mitt Romney takes jab at Ron Paul's plan to cut $1 trillion in first year
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The Tea Partyer's would applaud his appointment to Sec Tres in unison
only the establishment would dislike it. Another aspect to Ron not running
a third way is Rand.
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Supposition: It's not a real election. The fix is in.
The machines are rigged and when the votes are tallied the states he carries
will be plausible blue states and blueish swing states. We will know it's rigged
but what will we do?
I think that sort of vote rigging will be very difficult- especially this year. However, I agree, he is acting as if unworried about the election result. I can think of a couple of plausible explanations
1) He has somehow rigged the outcome of the election
2) He doesn't expect there to be an election, and plans to seize power regardless of result
3) He feels has succeeded on putting us on a irrevocable path to destruction, and wants to bailout before the crash.
4) He is a petty, selfish narcissistic loon, who actually believes he is destined to save the world and therefore feels that divine providence will step in and ensure his success no matter what he does now.
5) Combinations of the above
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The Tea Partyer's would applaud his appointment to Sec Tres in unison
only the establishment would dislike it. Another aspect to Ron not running
a third way is Rand.
Treas makes the most sense to me, it might be a reach for Veep, but if they keep floating BS like Christie & The Huckster I might take Paul just to stiff those other morons! Anyway, for whatever reason the two camps aren't talking and that doesn't bode well. And not sure Ron cares about what Rand thinks of a 3rd party effort...and the hardcore PaulBots might not accept anything less anyway...most of those will write him in anyway so there could be about 10% of the likely voters already off the board, throw in Obama's hardcore nutjob leftists and theres another 30%...assuming Mitt can capture 35% that leaves 15% to fight over...and with a fudge factor of at least 5% for cheating...Mitt needs the other 10%. Paul runs 3rd party and this math gets a lot tighter.
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Supposition: It's not a real election. The fix is in.
The machines are rigged and when the votes are tallied the states he carries
will be plausible blue states and blueish swing states. We will know it's rigged
but what will we do?
I think that sort of vote rigging will be very difficult- especially this year. However, I agree, he is acting as if unworried about the election result. I can think of a couple of plausible explanations
1) He has somehow rigged the outcome of the election
2) He doesn't expect there to be an election, and plans to seize power regardless of result
3) He feels has succeeded on putting us on a irrevocable path to destruction, and wants to bailout before the crash.
4) He is a petty, selfish narcissistic loon, who actually believes he is destined to save the world and therefore feels that divine providence will step in and ensure his success no matter what he does now.
5) Combinations of the above
The rigging must not be going well if he has to shore up his loony base by gaying it up, he doesn't care about bailing out since in or out of power he has the means to bail anyway...so #2 & #4 look to be still in play!
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And not sure Ron cares about what Rand thinks of a 3rd party effort.
Probably not but he is daddy and he knows running third party would not help his son's political future.
The rigging must not be going well if he has to shore up his loony base by gaying it up, he doesn't care about bailing out since in or out of power he has the means to bail anyway...so #2 & #4 look to be still in play!
#4:
There is no "he", he is a puppet controlled by a conglomerate headed by "them",
Soros and Ayers otherwise known as the oligarchy. "They" are much smarter than "he" is.
#2
They know better than to pull a #2, that type of chaos only works when there is a certainty of overwhelming success. They know they are assured an unceasingly protracted battle that will result in a wasteland no matter the winner.
The rigging must not be going well if he has to shore up his loony base by gaying it up,
He's not shoring up his base he's writing history. The omnipotent and loving one of all vs the hard, cruel, moneygrubbing and vengeful right.
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#4:
There is no "he", he is a puppet controlled by a conglomerate headed by "them",
Soros and Ayers otherwise known as the oligarchy. "They" are much smarter than "he" is.
#2
They know better than to pull a #2, that type of chaos only works when there is a certainty of overwhelming success. They know they are assured an unceasingly protracted battle that will result in a wasteland no matter the winner.
If there are handlers, how do we know the handlers do not want a wasteland? Real revolutions require Chaos - the destruction of the old, so the new can be ushered in. Once you talk of Handlers, you open yourself up to the full monte of NWO/Illuminati/Bilderberg/Alex Jones Conspiracy theory. Mittens also works for them, and disposing of Obama now just furthers "their" plans. How ambitious are they? Are they just Rothschild bankers looking for a new country to sink into debt and loot, or do they have more grandiose plans for a Socialist world government in mind? How would one know?
The existence of handlers really doesn't change the calculus much. We don't know "their" motivations or end goal, so #2 is just as possible with them at the helm as Obama's expectations would be set by "them", likewise with #4, as Obama would be expecting "them" to manage his fortunes for him. I think Obama is a true believer, but if under the influences of others, are they also true believers? If not, then what agenda are they trying to implement?
Given Borat's behavior as a clue to "their" aims, and assuming all that has happened so far has been going according to plan for them, taking over an intact and powerful United States and wielding its power doesn't seem to be on the agenda. Hence, leaving it in utter ruins, may be a side effect or the stated goal, but it does seem that is the direction they seem to be working towards.
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He doesn't care because he watched clinton make multi millions on the speech circuit. Plus, he may not be Prez, but who do you think the media will turn for an opinion? Outside of the Presidency, obama will be literally free to state ANYTHING.....
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He doesn't care because he watched clinton make multi millions on the speech circuit. Plus, he may not be Prez, but who do you think the media will turn for an opinion? Outside of the Presidency, obama will be literally free to state ANYTHING.....
But if revolution/chaos is the expected endgame to usher in a new government, who will be asking for speakers for what circuit? What media will survive to go to "the man"?
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I thought this was going to be a story on the Chicago bath houses.
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"The Ritz"