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Title: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Pandora on March 05, 2018, 11:36:19 AM
Canada and Mexico do not manufacture steel, they make products from Chinese steel (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/03/02/unhappy-canada-vows-retaliation-for-steel-tariffs-nafta-steel-tariffs-and-an-introduction-to-liu-zhongtian/)

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I think we’ve figured out why President Trump is doing the Steel and Aluminum tariffs ahead of the NAFTA withdrawal.

... Canadian Foreign Minister Chrystia Freeland stated:

    “Should restrictions be imposed on Canadian steel and aluminum products, Canada will take responsive measures to defend its trade interests and workers,” Foreign Minister Chrystia Freeland said in a statement, calling any trade restrictions“absolutely unacceptable.”

The key word in that statement from Freeland is “products”. Why? because Canada doesn’t make more than a boutique amount of raw Steel.  (Top 40 List)  The Canadians, like the Mexicans, import the vast majority of their raw steel from China.  Canada then fabricates products from the Chinese steel.  This nuanced point is almost always lost on people who discuss trade.  This point of origination is also the fatal flaw within NAFTA.

In essence Canada is a brokerage for Chinese manufactured material, and NAFTA is the access trade-door exploited by China for entry into the U.S. market.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/05/understanding-why-nafta-exit-is-a-forgone-conclusion/

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In its current form NAFTA became an exploited doorway into the coveted U.S. market.  Asian economic interests, large multinational corporations, invested in Mexico and Canada as a way to work around any direct trade deals with the U.S.

By shipping parts to Mexico and/or Canada; and by deploying satellite manufacturing and assembly facilities in Canada and/or Mexico; China, Asia and to a lesser extent EU corporations exploited a loophole.  Through a process of building, assembling or manufacturing their products in Mexico/Canada those foreign corporations can skirt U.S. trade tariffs and direct U.S. trade agreements.  The finished foreign products entered the U.S. under NAFTA rules.

Why deal with the U.S. when you can just deal with Mexico, and use NAFTA rules to ship your product directly into the U.S. market?

This exploitative approach, a backdoor to the U.S. market, was the primary reason for massive foreign investment in Canada and Mexico; it was also the primary reason why candidate Donald Trump, now President Donald Trump, wanted to shut down that loophole and renegotiate NAFTA.

This loophole was the primary reason for U.S. manufacturers to relocate operations to Mexico.  Corporations within the U.S. Auto-Sector could enhance profits by building in Mexico or Canada using parts imported from Asia/China.  The labor factor was not as big a part of the overall cost consideration as cheaper parts and imported raw materials.

... As soon as President Trump withdrew from TPP the problem with the Canada and Mexico loophole grew.  All corporations from TPP nations would now have an option to exploit the same NAFTA loophole.

Why ship directly to the U.S., or manufacturer inside the U.S., when you could just assemble in Mexico and Canada and use NAFTA to bring your products to the ultimate goal, the massive U.S. market?

This information makes the issue a little more clear, doesn't it.
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on March 05, 2018, 12:04:50 PM
So, Mexico and Canada are pissed at us because we decided we didn't want to be f**ked over by our neighbors who were getting rich off of us with their Chi-Com whorehouse operation as well as taking jobs away from Americans...?

Gosh, it's almost like they have an entitlement mentality not dissimilar to the dead-weight we have in this country we refer to as "democrat voters"...
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on March 05, 2018, 04:58:02 PM
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-05/ryan-rejected-trump-says-not-backing-down (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-05/ryan-rejected-trump-says-not-backing-down)

Heh!

 ::thumbsup::
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Pandora on March 05, 2018, 05:42:02 PM
Aaaand, Mark Levin does not get it.  At all. 
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: paulh on March 06, 2018, 05:06:20 AM
Aaaand, Mark Levin does not get it.  At all.

He was on a roll last nite. So where is he wrong?
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Pandora on March 06, 2018, 09:19:46 AM
I thought the information in my first post was self-explanatory in that regard.  Do you not agree?
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: paulh on March 06, 2018, 11:26:17 AM
I thought the information in my first post was self-explanatory in that regard.  Do you not agree?

 ::thinking::
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: patentlymn on March 06, 2018, 05:01:28 PM

Any time Trump does anything people run around with their hair on fire screaming that the world will end.

Some people treat unhindered global trade as some religious dogma not suceptible of disproof or empirical evidence. I am sure any tariffs have winners and losers within the US. I am sure the world NOT will end because of this.

There should be some sort of Godwin's law for economics. The first person who says "Smoot Hawley" loses the argument.
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: ToddF on March 06, 2018, 07:19:33 PM
Once again Trump is playing 4-D chess in a world where 99% of journalists can only think 2-D, tops.  That is far and away the best explanation of what is going on.
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on March 07, 2018, 06:29:16 AM
Once again Trump is playing 4-D chess in a world where 99% of journalists can only think 2-D, tops.  That is far and away the best explanation of what is going on.

Same dynamic that aided him to flank the E-GOP in Primaries and Blitzkrieg the entire D-MC/DeepState cabal in the general election.

Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Pandora on March 07, 2018, 07:00:14 AM
Yesterday, during the presser with the Swedish PM, Trump outright said the tariffs were a response to the NAFTA/Free ::snort:: Trade shenanigans being played by Canada and Mexico regarding Chinese steel and Chinese steel products.
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: IronDioPriest on March 07, 2018, 10:57:54 AM
One Chinese billionaire controls almost 20% of the world's aluminum supply, and controls access to it and the price of it by using NAFTA to funnel it into the US.

This has to change, and Trump is right. If he has to threaten to blow everything up with tariffs to convince the world he's serious, I support his effort.
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: John Florida on March 07, 2018, 12:16:08 PM
One Chinese billionaire controls almost 20% of the world's aluminum supply, and controls access to it and the price of it by using NAFTA to funnel it into the US.

This has to change, and Trump is right. If he has to threaten to blow everything up with tariffs to convince the world he's serious, I support his effort.

 Hells Bells we already gave up all our electronics to Japan were slowly giving up our appliances to S.Korea we don't even make a light bulb in this country anymore China makes all of them.  We used to have 100s of steel mills and were down around a dozen or so lets give them up and let China have them so that we can't build ships tanks and weapons and lets give up any hope of building planes and were all done!  Defenseless!
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on March 07, 2018, 12:17:51 PM
I like what Trump is doing, and all it cost so far was an asshole from Goldman-Sachs.
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: patentlymn on March 07, 2018, 04:15:29 PM

Former Minnesota boy, Vox Day, writes on the tarrif issue. Pat Buchannan writes a good piece as well.
If Trump pissed off Gary Cohn and Wall Street that is just an added benefit IMO.

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/03/us-tariffs-and-trade-war.html (http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/03/us-tariffs-and-trade-war.html)

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/03/main-street-first.html (http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/03/main-street-first.html)

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/03/free-traders-freak-out.html (http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/03/free-traders-freak-out.html)

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/03/the-trump-tariffs-and-economic.html (http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/03/the-trump-tariffs-and-economic.html)

http://www.unz.com/pbuchanan/why-is-the-gop-terrified-of-tariffs/ (http://www.unz.com/pbuchanan/why-is-the-gop-terrified-of-tariffs/)
Why Is the GOP Terrified of Tariffs?
PAT BUCHANAN • MARCH 6, 2018
• 800 WORDS • 62 COMMENTS
From Lincoln to William McKinley to Theodore Roosevelt, and from Warren Harding through Calvin Coolidge, the Republican Party erected the most awesome manufacturing machine the world had ever seen.

And, as the party of high tariffs through those seven decades, the GOP was rewarded by becoming America’s Party.

Thirteen Republican presidents served from 1860 to 1930, and only two Democrats. And Grover Cleveland and Woodrow Wilson were elected only because the Republicans had split.

Why, then, this terror of tariffs that grips the GOP?
...
How have EU nations run up endless trade surpluses with America? By imposing a value-added tax, or VAT, on imports from the U.S., while rebating the VAT on exports to the USA. Works just like a tariff.
...
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Pandora on March 07, 2018, 04:41:32 PM
I like what Trump is doing, and all it cost so far was an asshole from Goldman-Sachs.

A theory I read:  Trump brings people on board for a specific purpose; once that purpose is accomplished, ciao.

Cohn was on board to shepherd the tax cuts, but he has/had a problem with the tariffs.  Tax cuts done, so ciao.

Wilbur Ross is on board to deal with the tariff issue.

Seems logical to me.
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: John Florida on March 07, 2018, 04:55:03 PM

Former Minnesota boy, Vox Day, writes on the tarrif issue. Pat Buchannan writes a good piece as well.
If Trump pissed off Gary Cohn and Wall Street that is just an added benefit IMO.

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/03/us-tariffs-and-trade-war.html (http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/03/us-tariffs-and-trade-war.html)

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/03/main-street-first.html (http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/03/main-street-first.html)

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/03/free-traders-freak-out.html (http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/03/free-traders-freak-out.html)

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/03/the-trump-tariffs-and-economic.html (http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/03/the-trump-tariffs-and-economic.html)

http://www.unz.com/pbuchanan/why-is-the-gop-terrified-of-tariffs/ (http://www.unz.com/pbuchanan/why-is-the-gop-terrified-of-tariffs/)
Why Is the GOP Terrified of Tariffs?
PAT BUCHANAN • MARCH 6, 2018
• 800 WORDS • 62 COMMENTS
From Lincoln to William McKinley to Theodore Roosevelt, and from Warren Harding through Calvin Coolidge, the Republican Party erected the most awesome manufacturing machine the world had ever seen.

And, as the party of high tariffs through those seven decades, the GOP was rewarded by becoming America’s Party.

Thirteen Republican presidents served from 1860 to 1930, and only two Democrats. And Grover Cleveland and Woodrow Wilson were elected only because the Republicans had split.

Why, then, this terror of tariffs that grips the GOP?
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How have EU nations run up endless trade surpluses with America? By imposing a value-added tax, or VAT, on imports from the U.S., while rebating the VAT on exports to the USA. Works just like a tariff.
...

 Because they're getting paid by lobbyists you don't thing for one hot second they're protecting us no matter what they say. Ask yourself how do we maintain a flippeing military without materials to build equipment??  YOU CAN'T  !! ::pullhair::
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: John Florida on March 07, 2018, 04:55:58 PM
I like what Trump is doing, and all it cost so far was an asshole from Goldman-Sachs.

A theory I read:  Trump brings people on board for a specific purpose; once that purpose is accomplished, ciao.

Cohn was on board to shepherd the tax cuts, but he has/had a problem with the tariffs.  Tax cuts done, so ciao.

Wilbur Ross is on board to deal with the tariff issue.

Seems logical to me.

  Keep the employee count down. 
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on March 08, 2018, 10:11:44 AM
I like what Trump is doing, and all it cost so far was an asshole from Goldman-Sachs.

A theory I read:  Trump brings people on board for a specific purpose; once that purpose is accomplished, ciao.

Cohn was on board to shepherd the tax cuts, but he has/had a problem with the tariffs.  Tax cuts done, so ciao.

Wilbur Ross is on board to deal with the tariff issue.

Seems logical to me.

  Keep the employee count down.

Taking flack means you are on target.  And appointee's are a dime a dozen.  Cohn should know what churning is!

  ;D
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on April 07, 2018, 01:20:12 PM
So-called "trade war" heats up.

Basically, China has exploited us, exploited NAFTA...basically has had a field day with us for a long time and everybody was too much of a coward to start dealing with it.  Between Clinton letting them have tech secrets and everybody letting them run over us for decades a pushback was bound to happen...needed to happen.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/06/china-will-not-hesitate-with-major-response-to-new-tariffs-ministry-of-commerce.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/06/china-will-not-hesitate-with-major-response-to-new-tariffs-ministry-of-commerce.html)

China I believe will hurt itself, especially with food imports from us, what little arable land they have is already producing...they cannot feed the masses without foreign food and we are the breadbasket of the world.  They can go elsewhere, that will take time and there is no guarantee of delivery.

And this -

http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,3910.new.html#new (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,3910.new.html#new)

- is no big deal.
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: ToddF on April 07, 2018, 08:19:28 PM
We can rearrange supply chains to buy from other countries or ramp up our own production.  Can it be inflationary?  Perhaps.  Will it be disruptive in the short term?  Probably.

But what is the long term cost financing China's exploitation of their smaller Asian neighbors?  What is the long term cost of having millions of Americans not employable?  Not everyone can "learn code."

I'm not knee jerk free trade, anymore.  Anyone not named Kevin Williamson can look out and see the cost of exporting all the low skilled labor production.
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Pandora on April 07, 2018, 11:22:16 PM
And some of the higher skilled as well; Verizon moved Gunsmith's job -- and that of his whole department -- to India.

Agree on not-so-free trade
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on April 08, 2018, 10:52:52 AM
Agreed, I am not going to use the word "fair" because libiots have perverted that word like they pervert everything, so I will say I am more in the "equitable trade" camp now.  The original capitalist model of Adam Smith has been perverted by socialists and crony-capitalist statist clowns and we need to get everybody back to sound basics and common sense.
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: patentlymn on April 08, 2018, 06:47:35 PM
We can rearrange supply chains to buy from other countries or ramp up our own production.  Can it be inflationary?  Perhaps.  Will it be disruptive in the short term?  Probably.

But what is the long term cost financing China's exploitation of their smaller Asian neighbors?  What is the long term cost of having millions of Americans not employable?  Not everyone can "learn code."

I'm not knee jerk free trade, anymore.  Anyone not named Kevin Williamson can look out and see the cost of exporting all the low skilled labor production.

Kevin Williamson. He wrote the famous article
https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2016/03/28/father-f-hrer/
“The truth about these dysfunctional, downscale communities is that they deserve to die. Economically, they are negative assets.”

Over at Vox Day, they are having fun now that he got fired from the Atlantic for wrongthink.
https://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/04/a-negative-asset.html?showComment=1523056002833#c8400415354241712474 (https://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/04/a-negative-asset.html?showComment=1523056002833#c8400415354241712474)
Thursday, April 05, 2018
A negative asset
What goes around comes around. The truth about the dysfunctional, downscale writer Kevin Williamson is that he deserves to die. Economically, he is a negative asset.

47.  Snidely Whiplash April 05, 2018 9:33 PM
    I'm looking forward to the day KRW is living under a tarp beside the freeway in NYC, sucking d!ck for fentanyl and sh*tting in a bucket. Maybe then he'll be human again.


Everyone having taken economics 'knows' that tariffs are bad etc.  That is the liberal school and Thomas Sowell  school etc.  I don't trust dogma like that. I do not know how they factor in all the unemployment, underemployment, depression, drug use, etc.  I am not saying you cannot put a price on that. I wonder what the price is. Also, if investors in the US gain $2 and workers lose $1.75 I guess that is counted as a gain.  I suspect any gains are shifts to owners of capital.

When talking heads speak of 'the economy' I think they are being dishonest.  Often US citizens already here are being harmed.  Even if the GDP goes up it does not mean that the GDP per capita goes up.

Remove civil service protection and put the govt classes on the same footing as the rest of us.
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on April 09, 2018, 06:17:27 AM
There should never be public employee unions...ever!

Even the most Jeffersonian-Jackson era Democrat would never be in favor of that level of stupidity!
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Alphabet Soup on April 14, 2018, 08:18:21 PM
I had always thought that Conservatives believed in free trade. Aren't tariffs onerous government regulations? Shouldn't private companies be able to negotiate their own deals? Aren't taxes just bad and stifling in general?

I believe in fair trade. And there's nothing wrong with tariffs - as long as they aren't applied in a ham-fisted way.
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: ToddF on April 14, 2018, 08:30:35 PM
I don't believe in funding bad people, and furthering their efforts to be the bully of their part of the world.

Besides, China has already blinked.  They have everything to lose.  We don't.

Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Pablo de Fleurs on April 14, 2018, 08:33:07 PM
I had always thought that Conservatives believed in free trade. Aren't tariffs onerous government regulations? Shouldn't private companies be able to negotiate their own deals? Aren't taxes just bad and stifling in general?

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One of the flay rods gone out of skew on treadle.
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: John Florida on April 14, 2018, 09:52:59 PM
 Auto builders will buy from whoever has the alloy and the price they don't care who it is. They don't dictate any more than that.  And the auto industry deals with tariffs already.  How are tariffs going to stop construction?  They bid the jobs and that's it everybody pays the same for steel based on volume they buy.

  We can't kill off our steel plants and survive as a nation.

  ETA:
  This is about negotiations not tariffs, the Chinese won't let it get there.
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: patentlymn on April 14, 2018, 10:12:50 PM
I had always thought that Conservatives believed in free trade. Aren't tariffs onerous government regulations? Shouldn't private companies be able to negotiate their own deals? Aren't taxes just bad and stifling in general?

I believe in fair trade. And there's nothing wrong with tariffs - as long as they aren't applied in a ham-fisted way.

I guess I don't know a ham-fisted way from any other.. What makes one tariff bad and another one good?

Club for growth said “The idea of imposing steel or aluminum tariffs of any kind is an affront to economic freedom,” .  “First and foremost, it’s bad for the American worker.  For every steel worker job that might be saved because of a tariff, our country will lose even more American jobs in auto plants, construction, and so many other industries.

“Tariffs will also harm the pro-growth effects of the tax cuts, stall the economy, incite a trade war, and help hand the election to the Democrats."

https://www.clubforgrowth.org/uncategorized/club-for-growth-warns-against-steel-and-aluminum-tariffs-and-taxes/ (https://www.clubforgrowth.org/uncategorized/club-for-growth-warns-against-steel-and-aluminum-tariffs-and-taxes/)

Isn't that the "conservative" position?

That's the free trade dogma taught in schools for the past decades. I am not sure how it comports with reality. 'Conservative' can mean different things.  It can mean conserving what is or leaving everything to market forces.

Example: I watched some youtube video of brits living in Norway decribing what life was like. Such videos are fun to watch for different countries.( I like the ones about China.) The brits said a lot. She mentioned that there were limited selections in the stores and high import duties to protect local industries. i.e. to conserve what was. She said she ordered some health foods over the internet and the customs duties were about 100%. Is that conservative?

Decades past I spent some time in Foxboro MA. The locals were up in arms. There was a proposal to put a McDonalds on the town rotary. Were their objections conservative?

Years ago the French were upset about a French Disneyland polluting France with American culture. Conservative?  The French do not want to see their farmers destroyed by Cargill so they have tariffs. Conservative?

The US used to have 'imposts' which were uniform for imports, and 'tariffs' which benefited certain industries over others. Tariffs were more like crony capitalism. US growth was huge with imposts.

If tariffs serve to conserve what is left of America is that conservative?  Actually, Europe is more conservative than the US in anti-trust law. In the US we only care about cheap stuff for consumers. In the EU they care about producers AND consumers. They try to balance the two.  The EU VAT kinda serves as a tariff as it is added to imports for local consumption  but is rebated for exports.

People who want free market forces to rule all give zero weight to massive unemployment and resultng suicides and drug use. People advocating free trade and immigration often have either govt jobs or jobs protected by govt certifications e.g. medical, teaching.
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: AlanS on April 15, 2018, 07:45:46 AM
Years ago the French were upset about a French Disneyland polluting France with American culture.

Odd. I always thought the French were sort of Mickey Mouse to begin with. ::laughonfloor::
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on April 15, 2018, 11:01:18 AM
Years ago the French were upset about a French Disneyland polluting France with American culture.

Odd. I always thought the French were sort of Mickey Mouse to begin with. ::laughonfloor::

And now like most of Western Europe they are letting their cultures surrender to Islaminals...poor Charles The Hammer, if he only had a glimpse of the future he would have said "Screw this, I'm outta here!".
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on April 15, 2018, 11:18:21 AM
Auto builders will buy from whoever has the alloy and the price they don't care who it is. They don't dictate any more than that.  And the auto industry deals with tariffs already.  How are tariffs going to stop construction?  They bid the jobs and that's it everybody pays the same for steel based on volume they buy.

  We can't kill off our steel plants and survive as a nation.

  ETA:
  This is about negotiations not tariffs, the Chinese won't let it get there.

Trump just blinked-- Again-- on his often repeated campaign slogan that he would "label China a currency manipulator"

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/13/us/politics/trump-china-currency-manipulator.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/13/us/politics/trump-china-currency-manipulator.html)

I think that demonstrates American weakness to China.

None of that makes any sense as an argument...every nation on the planet manipulates currency, commodities, markets...some just do it better than others.  The BRICS main aim is to break the dollar as the worlds reserve currency, but they have no idea what may happen if that occurs and I doubt their little club will survive the post-dollar world.  I find it ironic that the Progressive coup that turned the Democrat Party hard-left also dispatched the idea of "fair trade" and bought hook-line-and-sinker the "Free Trade" dogma of the E-GOP/Club for Growth/COC/Corporatist/Globalist cabal.  It shows the intersection of Progressives and Progressive-Lite agendas and also shows the same intersection on illegal aliens-Progs like the votes and Prog-Lites like the cheap labor.  Both parties need to be rendered to the ash heap.  It is why the Trump Ascendancy succeeded.  How quickly people forget how vicious and vile the Establishment Pubbies were to a Trump candidacy...everybody hog-piled him - Pubbies and Progs...and he kicked their ass anyway because people were no longer buying the Establishments chosen sacrificial nominees and the disdainful "you have to vote for our clown because you will not vote for a worse asshole in the other party" BS they gave real Conservatives for decades.  So The Deplorables got him the nomination and The Deplorables got him the Presidency.  So if you are going to try to instigate an argument on any topic from the lens that Trump is a mainstream Pubbie you best disabuse yourself of such nonsense and try again.
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: AlanS on April 16, 2018, 06:47:13 PM

That was a little jargony and I didn't understand all of it.

The RINO's suck and are getting their ass kicked. How's that?

Elected Republicans can either embrace him or pack their bags like Paul Ryan. Trump is pulling the mainstream toward him. If you like him and trust him then that must feel great. I don't like him or trust him and I grieve for what was once a great party.

The DC establishment hates his guts and they (along with the lamestream media) have done EVERYTHING in their power to subvert/destroy Trump. And yet he gets more popular by the day. The American people are tired of everything about the DC swamp and the establishment. They are on a search and destroy mission to root out the ruling elite.

Your mourning of the "Republican" party that hasn't done sh!t in decades just shows how you've been drinking from the MSM way too much.
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: patentlymn on April 16, 2018, 07:39:26 PM
Why would anyone mourn the 'old' GOP?  GHWB? GWB? Romney? Mccain?

One of my favorite moments was in the GOP debates where Trump was the only one one stage who was not a warmonger. Of course that upset the military industrial complex so all we hear now is about Russia.

Another moment was where Trump said that the GOP was now the workers party and Bernie's head likely exploded.  The fact that the Dems and GOP had both crapped on US workers was laid bare.
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: ToddF on April 16, 2018, 07:53:05 PM
If Rick Wilson and Bill "Captain Stubing" Kristol had a bastard child...

One of my ongoing theories of life is that Poli Sci graduates with R's after their name are ever bit as douchey as Poli Sci graduates with D's after their name.  I have yet to be proven wrong.
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Pablo de Fleurs on April 16, 2018, 08:06:07 PM

That was a little jargony and I didn't understand all of it.

The RINO's suck and are getting their ass kicked. How's that?

Elected Republicans can either embrace him or pack their bags like Paul Ryan. Trump is pulling the mainstream toward him. If you like him and trust him then that must feel great. I don't like him or trust him and I grieve for what was once a great party.

The DC establishment hates his guts and they (along with the lamestream media) have done EVERYTHING in their power to subvert/destroy Trump. And yet he gets more popular by the day. The American people are tired of everything about the DC swamp and the establishment. They are on a search and destroy mission to root out the ruling elite.

Your mourning of the "Republican" party that hasn't done sh!t in decades just shows how you've been drinking from the MSM way too much.

"The Establishment" is a term that I don't think has a precise definition. Abstractions are only helpful if you can trace them back to their literal meanings. Could you re-phrase that in terms of concrete people or institutions?

Who specifically are the "DC swamp and establishment" and why do they "hate his guts"?

Some folks speak to hear themselves talk. This l'il Greek pecks @ the keyboard to see himself "published" online.
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Alphabet Soup on April 16, 2018, 09:20:00 PM
Why would anyone mourn the 'old' GOP?  GHWB? GWB? Romney? Mccain?

One of my favorite moments was in the GOP debates where Trump was the only one one stage who was not a warmonger. Of course that upset the military industrial complex so all we hear now is about Russia.

Another moment was where Trump said that the GOP was now the workers party and Bernie's head likely exploded.  The fact that the Dems and GOP had both crapped on US workers was laid bare.

Dhimmicrats would mourn the old incontinent GOPe - because their feckless and ineffectual manner allowed the progs to destroy the fabric that is our union.

It's time to restore now.
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Post by: Pandora on April 16, 2018, 09:35:36 PM

That was a little jargony and I didn't understand all of it.

The RINO's suck and are getting their ass kicked. How's that?

Elected Republicans can either embrace him or pack their bags like Paul Ryan. Trump is pulling the mainstream toward him. If you like him and trust him then that must feel great. I don't like him or trust him and I grieve for what was once a great party.

The DC establishment hates his guts and they (along with the lamestream media) have done EVERYTHING in their power to subvert/destroy Trump. And yet he gets more popular by the day. The American people are tired of everything about the DC swamp and the establishment. They are on a search and destroy mission to root out the ruling elite.

Your mourning of the "Republican" party that hasn't done sh!t in decades just shows how you've been drinking from the MSM way too much.

Yeah, the concern troll trolls.  It's a self-admitted "liberal" so, so much for the "once a great party".
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Post by: John Florida on April 17, 2018, 08:17:58 PM
  Speaking of the Chicoms  on the drive back NPR announce that the Chicoms  will end their partnerships with auto companies there in the next 5 years.  That's huge because they have no new access to the technology that they were stealing.  GM of course would rather continue their partnership.
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Pandora on April 17, 2018, 09:45:59 PM
"Things" change, but human nature doesn't. 

You heard the saying "you will be made to care" about all things homo?  Lots of us do, and not in a good way.

You're not a liberal, you're a totalitarian.  Same as it ever was.
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Post by: Libertas on April 18, 2018, 08:21:49 AM
I gave it a shot, now like Pan I bow out.  This much self-imposed ignorance is unsalvageable.

I leave it for The Great Reckoning to settle.

Sorry Pan, for the waste of time and space.
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Post by: Pandora on April 18, 2018, 10:18:12 AM
No blood, no report, Libertas.
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Post by: Syzygy on April 18, 2018, 11:43:08 AM
"Things" change, but human nature doesn't. 

You heard the saying "you will be made to care" about all things homo?  Lots of us do, and not in a good way.

You're not a liberal, you're a totalitarian.  Same as it ever was.

you mean to say that I personally am a totalitarian?

Please note the modus operandi,  here,  same as on ACOC:  ask stupid questions that he damn well knows the answer to already;  feigning ignorance as to the point you make,  same ol',  same ol',...

Aenides,

You made it very clear,  on ACOC,  that you were first and foremost a Bernie supporter (I'm sure this comes as a bit of a shock to the regulars HERE...NOT!),  ergo,  you are definitely an admitted totalitarian,  as in you support the state having TOTAL control of EVERYTHING,  including our own personal lives and fortunes.  Own it,  sweet pea.

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Post by: IronDioPriest on April 18, 2018, 12:13:15 PM
We have a BernieBro here? WTF? Apparently he didn't read the greeting. Oh well. As long as he's entertaining someone...
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Post by: Syzygy on April 18, 2018, 03:55:57 PM
"Things" change, but human nature doesn't. 

You heard the saying "you will be made to care" about all things homo?  Lots of us do, and not in a good way.

You're not a liberal, you're a totalitarian.  Same as it ever was.

you mean to say that I personally am a totalitarian?

Please note the modus operandi,  here,  same as on ACOC:  ask stupid questions that he damn well knows the answer to already;  feigning ignorance as to the point you make,  same ol',  same ol',...

Aenides,

You made it very clear,  on ACOC,  that you were first and foremost a Bernie supporter (I'm sure this comes as a bit of a shock to the regulars HERE...NOT!),  ergo,  you are definitely an admitted totalitarian,  as in you support the state having TOTAL control of EVERYTHING,  including our own personal lives and fortunes.  Own it,  sweet pea.

The UK has a mixed economy more socialized than ours with features consistent with Bernie's platform such as universal healthcare. Do you consider the U.K. to be a totalitarian state?

Absolutely.

The operative word in this is the word "mixed".  Socialism (communism/totalitarianism lite)  does not "mix" well with others.  Eventually,  it does exactly what the leaven does in Jesus' parable:

Matthew 13:33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.


We're on GB's heels in its mad march to Marxism,  compliments Bernie's ilk,  you included. 

Next stupid question...
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Post by: patentlymn on April 18, 2018, 05:59:23 PM
...

If I were going to list some totalitarian regimes I'd name Stalinist USSR, fascist Germany, North Korea, or Hussein's Iraq as prime examples because they do not tolerate divergent opinions. In fact that's a part of the definition of "totalitarian":

"of or relating to a centralized government that does not tolerate parties of differing opinion and that exercises dictatorial control over many aspects of life." http://www.dictionary.com/browse/totalitarian?s=t (http://www.dictionary.com/browse/totalitarian?s=t)

The U.K. does tolerate parties of differing opinion. From their Human Rights act:

"Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. This Article shall not prevent States from requiring the licensing of broadcasting, television or cinema enterprises."

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1998/42/schedule/1/part/I/chapter/9 (https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1998/42/schedule/1/part/I/chapter/9)

I disagree that having an economy more mixed than ours (ours is too btw) makes a country "totalitarian".

The UK can and does prosecute people for anything the govt says is 'hate speech' which includes any opinions about ethnic groups or religions.  Being factually correct is not a defense. They have also recently refused entry to people having incorrect political views from the country.  I recall that speakers corner in Hyde park featured Orwell, Lenin, and Marx in the past. Now you can be prosecuted for making politically incorrect speeches there.

It is what it is. It does not matter much whether or not you put the label 'totalitarian' on it.
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Post by: patentlymn on April 18, 2018, 06:12:41 PM
...

I do like McCain. He's an honorable man and a patriot. For all his faults W. Bush was sincere and he meant well. GHWB oftentimes put himself in grave danger in World War 2. He was willing to make the ultimate sacrifice for our nation and nearly did when he was shot down in the Pacific. He then served in the house, as an ambassador and in the CIA helping to defend us from the USSR during the cold war despite having a successful business. He didn't serve for the money. He served to serve. Romney was unlucky to be pinched in an awkward spot between the primary and the general in 2012. As a result of that I don't think most of us got to see the "Real" Mitt.

I think that all of these men were decent and honestly cared for their country.

I don't see this kind of honor and sacrifice in the new GOP.

Whether McCain is honorable is a matter of opinion.  He barely graduated from Annapolis and used his daddy's influence to get ahead. Just because he got shot down does NOT mean I want him for president.

GHWB was better than the Dem. GHWB was head of the CIA and that is supposed to make him honorable. Putin was a mere colonel in the KGB and that is supposed to make him a monster. I could never figure that one out.  Why isn't Putin a patriotic honorable Russian?

GWB could have been worse. Romney made me puke. I don't think he actually ever ran a real business. He just bought them, stripped them of assets, loaded them with debt, and sold them to a greater fool.  The book The Great Deformation tears Romney and GWB apart pretty well.

BTW I held my nose and voted for all of them.  I recall a poster on ACOC, irish Conservative. The slogan back then was to get drunk and vote for McCain. She said she was going to have to take the bottle of Jameson with her into the voting booth.
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Post by: patentlymn on April 18, 2018, 06:37:59 PM
...

If I were going to list some totalitarian regimes I'd name Stalinist USSR, fascist Germany, North Korea, or Hussein's Iraq as prime examples because they do not tolerate divergent opinions. In fact that's a part of the definition of "totalitarian":

"of or relating to a centralized government that does not tolerate parties of differing opinion and that exercises dictatorial control over many aspects of life." http://www.dictionary.com/browse/totalitarian?s=t (http://www.dictionary.com/browse/totalitarian?s=t)

The U.K. does tolerate parties of differing opinion. From their Human Rights act:

"Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. This Article shall not prevent States from requiring the licensing of broadcasting, television or cinema enterprises."

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1998/42/schedule/1/part/I/chapter/9 (https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1998/42/schedule/1/part/I/chapter/9)

I disagree that having an economy more mixed than ours (ours is too btw) makes a country "totalitarian".

The UK can and does prosecute people for anything the govt says is 'hate speech' which includes any opinions about ethnic groups or religions.  Being factually correct is not a defense. They have also recently refused entry to people having incorrect political views from the country.  I recall that speakers corner in Hyde park featured Orwell, Lenin, and Marx in the past. Now you can be prosecuted for making politically incorrect speeches there.

It is what it is. It does not matter much whether or not you put the label 'totalitarian' on it.

I'm willing to be corrected if I am wrong, can you post a link to a good example of prosecution for having "any opinions about ethnic groups or religions"?

OMG there is a long list. I can find them as time allows.  I just happen to remember the video below because I recently watched it, mostly due to the humor.

At 24:00 to 27:00 below Katie Hopkins describes how she was to be  repatriated from Australia to UK because she had used the phrase "sweaty socks" or "sweaty jocks" in a post about some Scots woman who brought Ebola back to the UK, which  offends Scots.  I don't know who instigated it, the UK or Australia.  Also from 30:00 to 36:00., especially around 35:00 she describes how the police showed up at her door in Britain  to take her in for tweeting about Ramadan rage.  Muslim crime rates go up during Ramadan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOlj9357Tvg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOlj9357Tvg)
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Post by: Syzygy on April 18, 2018, 10:13:26 PM
Here ya go,  Bozo:

Quote
BRITAIN FIRST DEPUTY Who is Jayda Fransen? Britain First deputy leader jailed after being found guilty of religiously aggravated harassment

Fransen, 31, was found guilty of four counts of religiously aggravated harassment
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5027146/jayda-fransen-britain-first-jailed-religiously-aggravated-harassment/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5027146/jayda-fransen-britain-first-jailed-religiously-aggravated-harassment/)
 

She is the one whose anti Muslim tweets Trump retweeted.  I can't say which caught the most flak over it.  Religiously aggravated harassment.
Basically for passing out tracts and politely confronting people on the street to tell them "Christians good; Muslims bad."

Sounds very totalitarian to me.  Your mileage,  should you ever choose to put any on your gray matter,  will correspond equally.   Otherwise it will indubitably vary,  as always.

 ::thinking::

I'm wondering if the good folks here at IAL can bring you up on charges of "politically motivated harassment"?  Hmmmmm......
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Post by: Syzygy on April 18, 2018, 10:31:49 PM
Quote from: aenides
If I were going to list some totalitarian regimes I'd name Stalinist USSR, fascist Germany,...

No one asked you to.  We've all got a pretty good idea of what constitutes a totalitarian regime,  and a far better understanding of how they got to be that way than you do. 

But since you brought it up,  funny how you mentioned "fascist" Germany,  lumping all of Germany into one basket,  when it was East Germany only that remained a fascist state until the recent past.

Angela Merkel,  now head of a unified Germany,  was once an apparatchik of East Germany's secret police--Stasi. 

NO EU country has total sovereignty now.  Every branch of their governments takes a back seat to Brussels,  the EU's central governing body politick.  And Merkel's Germany is the tail that wags that dog.

Funny how history seems to go full circle like that. 
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Post by: Pandora on April 19, 2018, 12:54:37 AM
"Things" change, but human nature doesn't. 

You heard the saying "you will be made to care" about all things homo?  Lots of us do, and not in a good way.

You're not a liberal, you're a totalitarian.  Same as it ever was.

you mean to say that I personally am a totalitarian?

Please note the modus operandi,  here,  same as on ACOC:  ask stupid questions that he damn well knows the answer to already;  feigning ignorance as to the point you make,  same ol',  same ol',...

Aenides,

You made it very clear,  on ACOC,  that you were first and foremost a Bernie supporter (I'm sure this comes as a bit of a shock to the regulars HERE...NOT!),  ergo,  you are definitely an admitted totalitarian,  as in you support the state having TOTAL control of EVERYTHING,  including our own personal lives and fortunes.  Own it,  sweet pea.

The UK has a mixed economy more socialized than ours with features consistent with Bernie's platform such as universal healthcare. Do you consider the U.K. to be a totalitarian state?

Do I?  You're gawdamned right I do.  The hell with its "mixed economy".

They held Charlie Gard in a hospital and wouldn't permit -- PERMIT, got that? -- his parents to bring him here to the US for treatment, at no cost to the UK.  Totalitarian much?

And now they're doing it again with Alfie Evans.

I don't care what the Brit doctors say about the futility of treatment; these babies do not belong to the State, they belong to their parents, and the fact that the parents cannot even take them out of the country for treatment is sinful; it's f ucking evil.

There's your totalitarian State.

Write one friggin word other than "yes ma'am" to me, you sonofab itch, and I will ban your sorry ass.
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Post by: Libertas on April 19, 2018, 07:07:54 AM
This dude just likes the sound of his own circular statements...the Left is full if them.  Smug psuedo-intellectuals trying too hard to hide the fact they are no different than the national socialists of 1930's Germany or the totalitarian socialists of Marshall Stalin.  Both use slightly different excuses to arrive at the same place - craddle to grave control of every element of human activity and an irresistable urge to enlighten others of the rightness of their ideology by any means necessary.

UK isn't alone in crushing dissent.  The fugly Labor (Stalinist) Home Secretary Jacqui Smith actually moaned over the EU decision to strike down a UK effort to collect DNA from all citizens and banned as "undesireable" Michael Savage, and recently the UK deported Martin Sellner, his girlfriend Brittany Pettibone and Canadien Lauren Southern because "they are not conducive to the public good".  This type of language is right in line with Stalin, Hitler, Orwell and Bernie Sanders and all the Progressives here.  Non-Leftists are banned because the Left fears their views, period.  And in the UK (and not far behind in America thanks to the dogma of hate promulgated by way of pc/diversity/multi-cultism) they fear antogonizing the one element imported into their society it is impossible to appease unless you convert yourself to their cult, agree to be a slave of their cult or cheerfully die for their cult - Muslims.

California is in the middle of a book banning, burnings cannot be far behind.  Media censors or denies our free speech, as do Universities.  Sanders, Obama, Pelosi...they all applaud this and want more.

Yes, the Left no matter what you call your faction share statists totalitarian beliefs, adopt the language of oppression and genocide and are in my opinion and in the opinion of more people than Leftist care to realize...the Left is evil...and evil can only be vanquished.

Like Mohammad is the bitch of Satan, Muslims are the bitch of both...and Leftists appease Muslims as they think they will help rid themselves of a common enemy...and they are just stupid enough to believe that being last to be eaten is winning.

Both are in for a couple of surprises.

O male pugnatum arnaturam Dei timere
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Weisshaupt on April 19, 2018, 08:19:43 AM

I'm willing to be corrected if I am wrong, can you post a link to a good example of prosecution for having "any opinions about ethnic groups or religions"?

Are you willing to do even a slight bit of your own research? And no they don't jail you ( yet) for having opinions about Ethnic groups or religions - they jail you for expressing them in public.. or for  trying to interview someone with those views who will then make them public

As a  parting gift:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=hate+speech+laws+in+the+UK (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=hate+speech+laws+in+the+UK)

I too,  am now done Ms. Pandora. I am now bored of my new pet. Time to take him to the shelter, imho.

 

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Post by: Libertas on April 19, 2018, 10:07:16 AM
No blood, no report, Libertas.

Cry havoc!  And let slip the dogs of war!

A mercy, yes?
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Post by: Pandora on April 19, 2018, 11:49:59 AM
"Things" change, but human nature doesn't. 

You heard the saying "you will be made to care" about all things homo?  Lots of us do, and not in a good way.

You're not a liberal, you're a totalitarian.  Same as it ever was.

you mean to say that I personally am a totalitarian?

Please note the modus operandi,  here,  same as on ACOC:  ask stupid questions that he damn well knows the answer to already;  feigning ignorance as to the point you make,  same ol',  same ol',...

Aenides,

You made it very clear,  on ACOC,  that you were first and foremost a Bernie supporter (I'm sure this comes as a bit of a shock to the regulars HERE...NOT!),  ergo,  you are definitely an admitted totalitarian,  as in you support the state having TOTAL control of EVERYTHING,  including our own personal lives and fortunes.  Own it,  sweet pea.

The UK has a mixed economy more socialized than ours with features consistent with Bernie's platform such as universal healthcare. Do you consider the U.K. to be a totalitarian state?

Do I?  You're gawdamned right I do.  The hell with its "mixed economy".

They held Charlie Gard in a hospital and wouldn't permit -- PERMIT, got that? -- his parents to bring him here to the US for treatment, at no cost to the UK.  Totalitarian much?

And now they're doing it again with Alfie Evans.

I don't care what the Brit doctors say about the futility of treatment; these babies do not belong to the State, they belong to their parents, and the fact that the parents cannot even take them out of the country for treatment is sinful; it's f ucking evil.

There's your totalitarian State.

Write one friggin word other than "yes ma'am" to me, you sonofab itch, and I will ban your sorry ass.

I'm curious, what do you think about U.S. laws prohibiting parents from denying life-saving treatment to parents based on religious grounds? For example, Jehova's Witnesses do not practice blood transfusion based on their interpretation of scripture. If a physician has a reasonable expectation that a child will die if they do not receive a transfusion, should the parent be liable for abuse / neglect if they refuse it? Should the state pass a law permitting or even forcing the physician to override the parent's choice in this case?

I warned you.

In the immortal word of "Q":  BOOM!
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Post by: John Florida on April 19, 2018, 03:57:10 PM
  Lasted longer than I thought.
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Post by: Alphabet Soup on April 19, 2018, 04:53:36 PM
  Lasted longer than I thought.

He could have lasted longer if he wished. But progs (being progs) can't help but overdo and test the limits of patience and tolerance.

I guess he showed us a thing or two!
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Pandora on April 19, 2018, 04:59:12 PM
It's the goalpost moving --

"The UK is totalitarian."

"How?"

"This is how ____________."

"Well, how about this __________ in the US?"

I can't stand it.  I warned IT.  BOOM!
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: patentlymn on April 19, 2018, 05:05:03 PM

It takes a lot to make me nasty and snarky.
I recall slamming him on ACOC and feeling a little bad about it.

I guess he is now an unperson.
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Post by: ToddF on April 19, 2018, 08:06:09 PM
Those kind of anal people get my attention for about 5 seconds, tops.  Typical of the global warming cult.
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Post by: Pandora on April 19, 2018, 08:10:42 PM

It takes a lot to make me nasty and snarky.
I recall slamming him on ACOC and feeling a little bad about it.

I guess he is now an unperson.

Nah, I'm pretty sure IT's still a person ....... just somewhere else.
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Pablo de Fleurs on April 19, 2018, 10:00:56 PM

It takes a lot to make me nasty and snarky.
I recall slamming him on ACOC and feeling a little bad about it.

I guess he is now an unperson.

Take a page from Dr. James Dobson's book & forgive yourself.

The GOOD news is that (like murder) slamming these idiots to the ground gets easier each time you pull the figurative trigger. After a bit of time . . . it's downright fun!
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on April 20, 2018, 08:00:55 AM
Those kind of anal people get my attention for about 5 seconds, tops.  Typical of the global warming cult.

There were a lot if "tells"...that stuff about liking McCain was a hoot...and for a Progs reason perhaps his most honest admission.
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Post by: paulh on April 20, 2018, 10:14:30 AM
So who recommended him ::whatgives::
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on June 05, 2018, 07:43:37 PM
Mexico joins the stupid...fine, no food for them.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/mexico-hits-back-u-steel-aluminum-tariffs-equivalent-142649163.html

Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on July 27, 2018, 11:55:17 AM
More good news for America is bad news for dem's.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/27/us-gdp-q2-2018.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/27/us-gdp-q2-2018.html)

 :D

And Trump will look to score more wins to lock in more gains.

ETA a big Heh! -

(https://images2.imgbox.com/e1/e2/FWKlNkQK_o.jpg)

 ::cool::

Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Pandora on July 27, 2018, 04:04:49 PM
I found an interesting and informative piece on control and tariffs and such.  It's long, but I would be very interested in hearing opinions .....

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/07/24/president-trump-confronts-multinational-big-ag-proposes-bridge-subsidy-to-break-up-controlled-markets-and-exploitative-contract-farming/
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: ToddF on July 28, 2018, 07:24:09 AM
Quote
The destruction of the U.S. industrial and manufacturing base is EXACTLY WHY the wealth gap has exploded in the past 30 years.

Yep.  The only question should be, are you and me prepared to pay higher prices to bring back our manufacturing base?  It can be done.  It probably would be best for society to have something do to for those who can't "learn coding."  But is it worth the price?

 ::thinking::
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Pandora on July 28, 2018, 08:23:11 AM
I'm wondering if higher prices will be the result, after a time.  Won't those industries face competitors here resulting in lower prices?
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Post by: Libertas on July 28, 2018, 10:56:38 AM
As far as the Ag business goes I agree with what is said, the corporations call the shots...family farms, due to punitive tax policies (especially with regard to estate inheritances [that hit all hard, but especially family farms]) and growing (now predominate) corporate competition and the regulatory laws (crop rotation, ground water, wetlands, runoff) and crop insurance made it worse for a family farm, it is an oligarch run industry.  Breaking that up and reversing course (valuable enterprise IMHO) would be harder than reviving manufacturing...but the latter would be hard as you would need to have strong right to work laws to keep the unions from shooting wages and benefits through the roof as well as more local accountability and less federal regulation (EPA, etc).  Again, doable and desirable but one tough row to hoe.  In the short term I think there would have to be some higher prices for consumers during the transition, some of that could be lessened with tax breaks and less regulation...I would expect a long ramp up period and then stability in prices as the reorganized industries balance out.
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on August 23, 2018, 11:35:43 AM
More #Winning!

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/22/target-ceo-credits-strong-growth-with-the-best-consumer-environment-hes-ever-seen.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/22/target-ceo-credits-strong-growth-with-the-best-consumer-environment-hes-ever-seen.html)

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Texas-Exports-More-Oil-Than-It-Imports-For-First-Time-Ever.html (https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Texas-Exports-More-Oil-Than-It-Imports-For-First-Time-Ever.html)

I have to start anonymously dropping these about....

(https://images2.imgbox.com/e8/ee/Zoa1O0ir_o.png)

(https://images2.imgbox.com/e1/e2/FWKlNkQK_o.jpg)

(https://images2.imgbox.com/81/7b/TfJ10lyF_o.jpg)

 :D

Sounds like Mexico is coming onboard to Trump re-write of NAFTA, putting pressure on Canada...but the devil is in the details but I am cautiously skeptical...I would be more pleased if we divested everything South African and slap some hard sanctions and embargoes on those racist genocidal thieves!

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-tweet-on-south-african-land-reform-draws-governments-ire-1535017460 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-tweet-on-south-african-land-reform-draws-governments-ire-1535017460)
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: John Florida on August 23, 2018, 06:38:15 PM
  South Africa is an aside for now. The NAFTA is of more long term importance to us as a nation. Can't take eye off that ball.
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Pandora on August 23, 2018, 09:36:26 PM
I'm pretty sure Trump can walk and chew gum at the same time.
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: John Florida on August 24, 2018, 01:39:20 PM
I'm pretty sure Trump can walk and chew gum at the same time.

 That was about my views not Trumps.
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Pandora on October 21, 2018, 08:28:31 AM
(http://americandigest.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/ajobsnotmobs.jpg)

http://americandigest.org/ (http://americandigest.org/)
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Pandora on October 21, 2018, 08:29:11 AM
I'm pretty sure Trump can walk and chew gum at the same time.

 That was about my views not Trumps.

I'm pretty sure you can, too.
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on May 06, 2019, 11:57:34 AM
Heh!

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/05/05/panda-played-the-dragon-game-now-trump-targets-the-bamboo-forest/

Looks to me like the Bald Eagle has slapped the Panda aside and is squeezing the Dragon by the balls while shooting a big grin!

 ::thumbsup::
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on May 14, 2019, 11:37:14 AM
Heh!  Xi is full of dog excrement!

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9070365/china-peoples-war-trade-war-trump/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9070365/china-peoples-war-trade-war-trump/)

People's war my furry white arse!!!

 ::hysterical::

Go back to polluting your air and cities, watching and recording your citizens 24/7 and making islands of sand you soy-sucking loser!

 ::mooning::
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on May 23, 2019, 12:09:35 PM
They learned much of this from Red Russia...or knew it already...and Mao and his successors merely gave it that special Chinese flavor...

(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4bd40033bac04d9b985d9bb550b6cbcac78ebb94f82fc5394fbebb356dc22f52.jpg)

Nice one-stop info-graphic.
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on June 10, 2019, 08:04:26 AM
Dumbass Chi-Com's having a hard time realizing their economic success is our market...and since the lessons of Mexico are failing them...they are getting desperate -

Beijing is counting on the far-left anti-American ideology within Silicon Valley to create a communist economic alliance on U.S. soil that will work against the interests of the American people. (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/06/08/beijing-summons-u-s-tech-leaders-to-summit-with-threats-of-punishment-if-they-follow-trump/)

The Chinese government this past week summoned major tech companies including Microsoft and Dell from the United States and Samsung of South Korea, to warn that they could face dire consequences if they cooperate with the Trump administration’s ban on sales of key American technology to Chinese companies, according to people familiar with the meetings.


Held on Tuesday and Wednesday, the meetings came soon after Beijing’s announcement that it was assembling a list of “unreliable” companies and individuals.

[…] The meetings this week were led by China’s central economic planning agency, the National Development and Reform Commission, and attended by representatives from its Ministry of Commerce and Ministry of Industry and Information Technology, who addressed their remarks to a broad range of companies that export goods to China, according to the two people familiar with the gatherings.

[…] More broadly, the warnings also seemed to be an attempt to forestall a fast breakup of the sophisticated supply chains that connect China’s economy to the rest of the world. Production of a vast array of electronic components and chemicals, along with the assembly of electronic products, makes the country a cornerstone of the operations of many of the world’s largest multinational companies.

[…] To those from the United States, they warned that the Trump administration’s move to cut off Chinese companies from American technology had disrupted the global supply chain, adding that companies that followed the policy could face permanent consequences. The Chinese authorities also hinted that firms should use lobbying to push back against the government’s moves.

[…] Chinese officials explicitly warned companies that any move to pull production from China that seemed to go beyond standard diversification for security purposes could lead to punishment, according to the two people.

[…] The Chinese officials told companies from outside the United States that as long as they kept up their current relationships and continued to supply Chinese companies normally, they would face no adverse consequences.


A not unexpected move...they have become quite accustomed to the all too typical obedience of BigTech to their demands at the expense of their host nations...and most of their threats seem hollow given a pivot away from traditional suppliers and manufacturers and distributors may not be welcome in our market...so I have no problem putting the screws to these outfits from our side as well.

Let the shake out of gutless cowards continue!

Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Septugenarian on June 10, 2019, 08:18:14 AM
Their priorities may change to foodstuffs following the collapse of their swine herd.  Or not if it is just the proletariat who sufffer.
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: John Florida on June 10, 2019, 06:07:39 PM
  Lets see if the big shots have any pride at all.   When the threats start it's time to fold and get out. 
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on June 11, 2019, 07:05:36 AM
Their priorities may change to foodstuffs following the collapse of their swine herd.  Or not if it is just the proletariat who sufffer.

Soylent Green.

They have an abundance of just one crop...am I right?!   ::unknowncomic::
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on June 11, 2019, 08:04:55 AM
  Lets see if the big shots have any pride at all.   When the threats start it's time to fold and get out.

Do not overlook the importance of President Donald Trump publicly calling out the largest DC lobbyist group, and epicenter of Big Club corruption earlier today.  During a widely discussed CNBC interview today President Trump landed two torpedoes directly below the waterline on the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.

The U.S. CoC is the largest influence purchaser in Washington DC, and the benefactor of dozens of the highest politicians in both the House and Senate.  The Wall Street funded CoC, and their President Tom Donohue, was already frustrated at their inability to influence President Trump and White House economic/trade policy.  President Trump is now confronting their self-serving politics directly.

The CoC is the lead U.S. member of the multinational ‘Big Club’, and has driven policies directly against Main Street USA for three decades.  Until now no modern U.S. President has ever been willing, or fearless enough, to take them on…. ‘until now’.  A few days ago the U.S. CoC threatened to sue President Trump over countervailing tariffs.

Today, President Trump hit back hard; this is an excellent development.

Our current middle-class (Main Street) economic growth and the shifting supply chain results, bringing manufacturing jobs back to the U.S., completely refutes U.S. CoC Tom Donohue’s doomsayer-promised economic proclamations.  If tariffs are so destructive, why was/is everyone ‘except the U.S’ using them to protect their industry segments and economies?

The truth is, the financial class and professional multinational lobbyists don’t want people to realize the modern trade system was designed to reduce American wealth.  It’s a feature not a flaw.


The collapse of U.S. manufacturing did not happen accidentally.  The rust-belt was not created accidentally.  NAFTA was not designed accidentally.  The back-door to the U.S. market was not created accidentally. Middle-class jobs were not lost accidentally.  Wages did not stagnate accidentally….  All of these results were brought about by specific design.

Who or what was in charge of the plan?

At the heart of trade agreements over the past 30 years you will find the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.  Yes, a Wall Street multinational corporate lobbying group actually wrote three decades of trade agreement language.

A team of business “experts” from within the U.S. CoC wrote the terms and conditions of actual trade agreements for Reagan/Reagan, Bush, Clinton/Clinton, Bush/Bush and Obama/Obama.  Add it up, that’s 30 years….. now look back to when the rust started, not coincidentally that’s 30 years ago.

All that stopped with Donald Trump.

Trillions of dollars of exfiltration stopped by Donald Trump.

Tens of trillions.

Those Big Club players are absolutely apoplectic. Beyond losing trillions in wealth to Main Street, you know what really drives their anger?

The Big Club cannot openly confront President Trump on the specifics, because his results at reversing their scheme is clear evidence they were the engineers behind the intentional loss of American wealth and standard-of-living in the first-place.
.
.
.
The Chamber is a cancer; and any politician who advocates for multinational financial benefits over Main St. U.S.A. should be removed with extreme prejudice.

(https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2019/03/2018-lobbying.jpg)

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/06/10/president-trump-calls-out-predatory-corporate-lobbyists-the-u-s-chamber-of-commerce/

They must be destroyed, period!
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on June 13, 2019, 08:03:27 AM
Heh!

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/06/12/more-tech-manufacturing-companies-exit-china-nintendo-and-sharp-plan-exits/

Fluck Yu, Xi!

 ::effu::
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: John Florida on June 13, 2019, 06:58:37 PM
 ::stirpot::    Winning!!
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on June 17, 2019, 07:52:45 AM
(https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2019/06/cpi-import-prices-2019.jpg)

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/06/15/wall-street-wrong-again-import-prices-decline-during-full-year-of-import-tariffs/

Fighting other nations, the lying demofascists and the presstitutes...and still winning!

Comment posted about stronger dollar over this period is also correct and indicates that to offset this counter-tariff impact something else must be in play...and a portion of this is import duties which are not used in calculating prices...the balance being perhaps slightly lower costs via other suppliers to absorb market share.
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on June 18, 2019, 08:15:53 AM
Well well well...lookie what we have here...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/06/17/ho-lee-cats-is-it-happening-chairman-xi-announces-visit-to-north-korea/

...if Xi cannot give Trump what he wants...will he force the NORK's?

What will he force...defiance and a unified front...or their nukes so the noose is loosened on China?  Funny thing is...why would winning loosen the noose on his neck?  There is a real possibility that Trump can get both concessions!

Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: John Florida on June 18, 2019, 07:55:23 PM
Well well well...lookie what we have here...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/06/17/ho-lee-cats-is-it-happening-chairman-xi-announces-visit-to-north-korea/

...if Xi cannot give Trump what he wants...will he force the NORK's?

What will he force...defiance and a unified front...or their nukes so the noose is loosened on China?  Funny thing is...why would winning loosen the noose on his neck?  There is a real possibility that Trump can get both concessions!



   Zackly!   The bigger fish forces the little fish to take a hit for the team and the big fish gets a little break.


Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on June 24, 2019, 07:31:58 AM
Well well well...lookie what we have here...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/06/17/ho-lee-cats-is-it-happening-chairman-xi-announces-visit-to-north-korea/ (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/06/17/ho-lee-cats-is-it-happening-chairman-xi-announces-visit-to-north-korea/)

...if Xi cannot give Trump what he wants...will he force the NORK's?

What will he force...defiance and a unified front...or their nukes so the noose is loosened on China?  Funny thing is...why would winning loosen the noose on his neck?  There is a real possibility that Trump can get both concessions!



   Zackly!   The bigger fish forces the little fish to take a hit for the team and the big fish gets a little break.

So far the Chi-Com's are pretty tight lipped about the pow wow with 'lil Kim...perhaps the latter told Xi to find somebody else to screw?

Anyway, Trump is mulling a new slew of screw China ideas (which IMO are long overdue!) (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/06/23/trump-administration-evaluating-complete-blacklist-of-chinese-products-for-u-s-5g-infrastructure/) and all poor Xi can do is whine like a spurned Geisha! (Japanese reference intentional in honor of G20 venue!) (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/06/23/beijing-shocked-president-trump-maintains-wrong-thinking-to-magnanimous-panda-ahead-of-g20/)

 ;D

Winning, never gets old!   :D

Heh, and in another blow to Chi-Com appeasing Progs...

https://www.weaselzippers.us/424136-pope-francis-muslims-are-our-partners-for-co-existence/ (https://www.weaselzippers.us/424136-pope-francis-muslims-are-our-partners-for-co-existence/)

...it never stood a chance...just more simian pooh-tossing by TDSing losers!
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on July 24, 2019, 01:35:12 PM
Wow, has economic intelligence degraded at ZeroHedge...

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-07-19/trade-war-chaos-trumps-tariffs-crash-american-rv-industry (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-07-19/trade-war-chaos-trumps-tariffs-crash-american-rv-industry)

"The RV industry's crisis shows how President Trump's trade war has backfired, hurting the industry he promised to protect."

Oh, really?  So the Tyler(s) of ZH have little thought beyond posting recycled dreck from Reuters? 

So, decreased RV sales directly attributed to reduced deliveries to manufacturers of components/materials only available from China and its greedy environment-raping commie rat bastard government?

No comment on demand, eh?

For f**k sake this is valid economic reasoning to demonize Trump trade policy with a spoiled ungrateful brat with whom we are attempting a long overdue rebalancing of scales with?

The stupid...it's everywhere...

 ::unknowncomic::
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Pandora on July 25, 2019, 03:45:31 AM
The stupid really *is* everywhere.

It says something about the citizenry -- the people -- that so many dwell strictly on a short-term 'what's in it for me', rather than longer term concern of what's good for the country.  Then again, with so many paper-Americans and the loss of a common culture, it's not unexpected.
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on July 25, 2019, 09:55:57 AM
Yup, pretty sure latter day Romans of intelligence were also quite disgusted seeing enemies within...the suicidal foolishness of so-called fellow citizens importing cultural terrorists and perverse alien ideals not natural to the host nation and terribly hostile to the principles and culture upon which it was founded.

Tick...Tock...

Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on July 27, 2019, 11:35:29 AM
France and Macron can FOAD!

 ::vafancoul::

https://au.news.yahoo.com/trump-uncorks-french-wine-threat-digital-tax-retaliation-200823687--spt.html

I say nail 'em with an equal amount they nail us...then sit back and giggle as they twist and squirm trying to argue the unfairness of it all!

Goddamned ingrate bastards....bail 'em out of not one but two world wars and provide the bulk of the security of their sorry stinking asses during the Cold War that freed all Euro's to plow their funding into socialist states and subsidized industries...and they treat us like foreign occupiers!

Perhaps Marshall was wrong...we shouldn't have rebuilt Europe...we should have garrisoned it!!!
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Pandora on July 27, 2019, 11:38:21 AM
France and Macron can FOAD!

 ::vafancoul::

https://au.news.yahoo.com/trump-uncorks-french-wine-threat-digital-tax-retaliation-200823687--spt.html

I say nail 'em with an equal amount they nail us...then sit back and giggle as they twist and squirm trying to argue the unfairness of it all!

Man, does Trump have to retrain the whole effin world on how to behave properly, or wut!
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on July 27, 2019, 11:40:50 AM
Heh, ya beat my edit.  'Tis well.

For Trump the training of spoiled brats will continue...

ETA -

And Trump tough at home too...build at home!

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/07/27/president-trump-building-economic-landscape-for-2020/

 ::thumbsup::

And, it looks like Guatemala blinked pretty quick!

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/07/26/an-offer-they-couldnt-refuse-president-trump-announces-guatemala-asylum-deal-with-full-presser-video/
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on August 06, 2019, 07:33:54 AM
Allrightythen, this is shaping up into a proper trade war now.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/05/trump-blasts-china-yuan-drop-as-currency-manipulation-1634502 (https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/05/trump-blasts-china-yuan-drop-as-currency-manipulation-1634502)

Pretty much anybody is a currency manipulator now...unless they are too small to do it on a proper scale...in most cases they deny it, they're lying.

Gold and most PMs getting a boost...

https://www.kitco.com/market/ (https://www.kitco.com/market/)

VIX naturally taking a beating...

https://finviz.com/futures.ashx (https://finviz.com/futures.ashx)

Sell the small "buy the dip" rally.   ;)

https://finviz.com (https://finviz.com)
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on August 07, 2019, 12:36:37 PM
Tuesday rebound - https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/06/investing/dow-stock-market-today/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/06/investing/dow-stock-market-today/index.html)

Crappy 10Y auction spooks the always flighty equity casino's - https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-07/ugly-tailing-10y-auction-blows-out-yields-sends-stocks-higher?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+zerohedge%2Ffeed+%28zero+hedge+-+on+a+long+enough+timeline%2C+the+survival+rate+for+everyone+drops+to+zero%29 (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-07/ugly-tailing-10y-auction-blows-out-yields-sends-stocks-higher?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+zerohedge%2Ffeed+%28zero+hedge+-+on+a+long+enough+timeline%2C+the+survival+rate+for+everyone+drops+to+zero%29)

But they're trying to rally - https://finviz.com (https://finviz.com)
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on August 13, 2019, 07:31:08 AM
Another example of single-source sillyness...

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/10/trump-is-ruining-our-markets-farmers-lose-a-huge-customer-to-trade-war----china.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/10/trump-is-ruining-our-markets-farmers-lose-a-huge-customer-to-trade-war----china.html)

Mark Watne, president of the North Dakota Farmers Union.  Bob Kuylen, guess who he represents?   The North Dakota Farmers Union, where he is VP.  Who are their pals?

Folks in other unions, like Zippy Duvall, president of the American Farm Bureau Federation.  And like most nominal Pubbies in Ag communities their ideals end (or never began to start with!) where self-interest begins.  Instead of something sensible like working with the Trump Admin to develop new market opportunities.  I hear people in Africa and Central and South America, the Middle East and Asia are starving and dying...or is all those help the starving wretches ads complete BS?  How about long-term storage opportunities?  Maybe governments/investors could buy product, store it properly like people did thousands of years ago to survive hard times, and those people can then bring it to whatever market is in need?  There are always alternatives, but no...piss, moan and blame...raw emoting...that's all you got?  How are we ever to have a fair trading relationship with anybody if only selfishness prevails?  All this tells me is these bigshot Ag Kings are Big Govt assclowns having toddler meltdowns and they handed the GoebbelsMedia juicy propaganda, and they didn't blink.  I'm supposed to have sympathy for that shyt?

Ha!   ::effu::

Suck it up, Buttercup!

PS - Where is China going to go for food when the masses are starving and the flames of Hong Kong subside?

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-12/fall-armyworm-invades-china-wreaks-havoc-agriculture-lands (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-12/fall-armyworm-invades-china-wreaks-havoc-agriculture-lands)

BRICs? 
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on August 25, 2019, 12:29:20 PM
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-suggests-second-thoughts-about-trade-war-11566728236 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-suggests-second-thoughts-about-trade-war-11566728236)

Don't let go of the Red Dragon's balls!  They need our markets...we should no longer let them get fat off of us and subsidize their increasingly hostile to America military machine.

Otherwise, STFU and go cry in the lap of your BRIC mates.
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on August 27, 2019, 11:40:50 AM
Interesting...

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-27/bill-dudley-shocker-ex-ny-fed-president-urges-feds-powell-prevent-trump-re-election (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-27/bill-dudley-shocker-ex-ny-fed-president-urges-feds-powell-prevent-trump-re-election)

...ridiculous editorializing aside (disasterous trade war my big white arse!)...and tabling the very need for the Fed aside along with latter day Neo-Keynesian insanity...all things being equal...if the Fed decides to sabotage national economic policy fighting at last for fairer trade than what we've gotten for decades from these Chi-Com assclowns...and hopes to tank the President's re-election...well...it would be a shame if assclowns like Powell had off-hand nail-gun accidents or episodes of self-defenstration, eh?

I mean, shyt happens, right?
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on August 28, 2019, 07:32:20 AM
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/08/27/the-leverage-of-dependency-chinese-manufacturers-admit-without-u-s-market-they-collapse/ (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/08/27/the-leverage-of-dependency-chinese-manufacturers-admit-without-u-s-market-they-collapse/)

https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3024557/china-exporters-praying-weaker-yuan-will-save-them-donald (https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3024557/china-exporters-praying-weaker-yuan-will-save-them-donald)

Heh, cannot live without US market and wanting to look elsewhere for salvation...while praying for a weaker yuan to save them!

Look's like Trump has them right where he wants them...and the Chi-Com leadership must love the fact that their business brokers are a) praying and b) praying for weaker yuan!

Oh, poor Xi...how to yield and save a piece of face!

Better come to fair terms...or your future plans will go the way of a sick puking dog!
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Pandora on August 28, 2019, 12:41:21 PM
Vietnam has said that China's been labeling their own goods as 'Made In Vietnam'.
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: John Florida on August 28, 2019, 07:38:02 PM
Vietnam has said that China's been labeling their own goods as 'Made In Vietnam'.

  I'm shocked shocked to learn that China cheats. 
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Pandora on August 28, 2019, 09:12:35 PM
Vietnam has said that China's been labeling their own goods as 'Made In Vietnam'.

  I'm shocked shocked to learn that China cheats.

Why Bless yore heart, you pore naive thang yew ..........
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on August 29, 2019, 09:53:32 AM
You just got Yu Yang tied in a knot!   ::hysterical::
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on August 29, 2019, 10:57:04 AM
Rut Roh...rooks rike Xi brinked!

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-29/china-makes-unexpected-concession-will-hold-trade-retaliation-us-visit-discussed (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-29/china-makes-unexpected-concession-will-hold-trade-retaliation-us-visit-discussed)

Wrinning!   :D
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: AlanS on September 01, 2019, 08:50:39 PM

Wrinning!   :D

That's funny. I don't don't care who ya are. ::laughonfloor::
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on September 06, 2019, 08:28:46 AM
The lamentations of globalist Ameriphobes is music to my ears!

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/09/05/german-industrial-orders-plunge-the-surface-reason-is-china-the-underneath-reason-is-trump/

More!!!   ::whoohoo::

 ::USA::

PS-Found a nice addition to my anti-statist/globalist pic collection -
(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1ac37943fa827fc9ccdacc1fa8e537e812268858c8ae3687b7c63461505fde74.jpg)

Yeah...that's the only way to see that crap!!!   ::thumbsup::
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on September 07, 2019, 12:21:04 PM
Globalist fool searches for a way to survive now that America under Trump refuses to be the Shuga Daddy of the planet...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/09/06/merkel-takes-her-tin-cup-to-china/

...but as long as the Chi-Com's refuse to play fair...the goods will not flow!

 ::smallestviolin::
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on October 10, 2019, 07:50:04 AM
Never have I seen a leader like Trump lay bare so many obvious truths most in the world have denied...around the globe he is having an impact.

And the China/NORK thing...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/10/09/u-s-china-trade-discussions-going-no-where-by-design-expect-more-trump-tariffs-and-more-beijing-dprk-missile-tests/ (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/10/09/u-s-china-trade-discussions-going-no-where-by-design-expect-more-trump-tariffs-and-more-beijing-dprk-missile-tests/)

...does Xi really think yanking Kim's ball-chain and launching a few Nork missiles is going to make Trump drop his winning strategy?   Especially now that the romance with India is in full bloom with more partners lining up for a dance?

 ::laughonfloor::

Horri sheet, Xi wun dum roosah!   ::hysterical::

Oh, and President Trump jerked the Obama giveaway of the Port of Long Beach!

https://www.judicialwatch.org/corruption-chronicles/trump-rids-major-u-s-container-port-of-chinese-communist-control/?utm_source=deployer&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=corruption+chronicles&utm_term=members&utm_content=20191010020519 (https://www.judicialwatch.org/corruption-chronicles/trump-rids-major-u-s-container-port-of-chinese-communist-control/?utm_source=deployer&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=corruption+chronicles&utm_term=members&utm_content=20191010020519)

Rinning x's 2!   ::whoohoo::

Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Pandora on October 10, 2019, 11:33:29 AM
Never have I seen a leader like Trump lay bare so many obvious truths most in the world have denied...around the globe he is having an impact.

And the China/NORK thing...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/10/09/u-s-china-trade-discussions-going-no-where-by-design-expect-more-trump-tariffs-and-more-beijing-dprk-missile-tests/ (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/10/09/u-s-china-trade-discussions-going-no-where-by-design-expect-more-trump-tariffs-and-more-beijing-dprk-missile-tests/)

...does Xi really think yanking Kim's ball-chain and launching a few Nork missiles is going to make Trump drop his winning strategy?   Especially now that the romance with India is in full bloom with more partners lining up for a dance?

 ::laughonfloor::

Horri sheet, Xi wun dum roosah!   ::hysterical::

Oh, and President Trump jerked the Obama giveaway of the Port of Long Beach!

https://www.judicialwatch.org/corruption-chronicles/trump-rids-major-u-s-container-port-of-chinese-communist-control/?utm_source=deployer&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=corruption+chronicles&utm_term=members&utm_content=20191010020519 (https://www.judicialwatch.org/corruption-chronicles/trump-rids-major-u-s-container-port-of-chinese-communist-control/?utm_source=deployer&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=corruption+chronicles&utm_term=members&utm_content=20191010020519)

Rinning x's 2!   ::whoohoo::

Yes!  Rinning xs 2!

I was especially glad to hear about that!
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: John Florida on October 10, 2019, 09:59:26 PM
Never have I seen a leader like Trump lay bare so many obvious truths most in the world have denied...around the globe he is having an impact.

And the China/NORK thing...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/10/09/u-s-china-trade-discussions-going-no-where-by-design-expect-more-trump-tariffs-and-more-beijing-dprk-missile-tests/ (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/10/09/u-s-china-trade-discussions-going-no-where-by-design-expect-more-trump-tariffs-and-more-beijing-dprk-missile-tests/)

...does Xi really think yanking Kim's ball-chain and launching a few Nork missiles is going to make Trump drop his winning strategy?   Especially now that the romance with India is in full bloom with more partners lining up for a dance?

 ::laughonfloor::

Horri sheet, Xi wun dum roosah!   ::hysterical::

Oh, and President Trump jerked the Obama giveaway of the Port of Long Beach!

https://www.judicialwatch.org/corruption-chronicles/trump-rids-major-u-s-container-port-of-chinese-communist-control/?utm_source=deployer&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=corruption+chronicles&utm_term=members&utm_content=20191010020519 (https://www.judicialwatch.org/corruption-chronicles/trump-rids-major-u-s-container-port-of-chinese-communist-control/?utm_source=deployer&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=corruption+chronicles&utm_term=members&utm_content=20191010020519)

Rinning x's 2!   ::whoohoo::


  One has to ask just how much did Pelosi et all made on that deal and where is the money hidden?
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on October 11, 2019, 07:53:07 AM
Never have I seen a leader like Trump lay bare so many obvious truths most in the world have denied...around the globe he is having an impact.

And the China/NORK thing...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/10/09/u-s-china-trade-discussions-going-no-where-by-design-expect-more-trump-tariffs-and-more-beijing-dprk-missile-tests/ (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/10/09/u-s-china-trade-discussions-going-no-where-by-design-expect-more-trump-tariffs-and-more-beijing-dprk-missile-tests/)

...does Xi really think yanking Kim's ball-chain and launching a few Nork missiles is going to make Trump drop his winning strategy?   Especially now that the romance with India is in full bloom with more partners lining up for a dance?

 ::laughonfloor::

Horri sheet, Xi wun dum roosah!   ::hysterical::

Oh, and President Trump jerked the Obama giveaway of the Port of Long Beach!

https://www.judicialwatch.org/corruption-chronicles/trump-rids-major-u-s-container-port-of-chinese-communist-control/?utm_source=deployer&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=corruption+chronicles&utm_term=members&utm_content=20191010020519 (https://www.judicialwatch.org/corruption-chronicles/trump-rids-major-u-s-container-port-of-chinese-communist-control/?utm_source=deployer&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=corruption+chronicles&utm_term=members&utm_content=20191010020519)

Rinning x's 2!   ::whoohoo::


  One has to ask just how much did Pelosi et all made on that deal and where is the money hidden?

How does she stay in Congress decades, on a relatively paltry government salary...and yet have hundreds of millions in net worth...and have the gall to demand the tax returns of a President donating 100% of his salary?

Evil Satanic Socialist Criminal Scum, that's how.

Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: John Florida on October 11, 2019, 08:08:34 PM
Never have I seen a leader like Trump lay bare so many obvious truths most in the world have denied...around the globe he is having an impact.

And the China/NORK thing...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/10/09/u-s-china-trade-discussions-going-no-where-by-design-expect-more-trump-tariffs-and-more-beijing-dprk-missile-tests/ (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/10/09/u-s-china-trade-discussions-going-no-where-by-design-expect-more-trump-tariffs-and-more-beijing-dprk-missile-tests/)

...does Xi really think yanking Kim's ball-chain and launching a few Nork missiles is going to make Trump drop his winning strategy?   Especially now that the romance with India is in full bloom with more partners lining up for a dance?

 ::laughonfloor::

Horri sheet, Xi wun dum roosah!   ::hysterical::

Oh, and President Trump jerked the Obama giveaway of the Port of Long Beach!

https://www.judicialwatch.org/corruption-chronicles/trump-rids-major-u-s-container-port-of-chinese-communist-control/?utm_source=deployer&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=corruption+chronicles&utm_term=members&utm_content=20191010020519 (https://www.judicialwatch.org/corruption-chronicles/trump-rids-major-u-s-container-port-of-chinese-communist-control/?utm_source=deployer&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=corruption+chronicles&utm_term=members&utm_content=20191010020519)

Rinning x's 2!   ::whoohoo::


  One has to ask just how much did Pelosi et all made on that deal and where is the money hidden?

How does she stay in Congress decades, on a relatively paltry government salary...and yet have hundreds of millions in net worth...and have the gall to demand the tax returns of a President donating 100% of his salary?

Evil Satanic Socialist Criminal Scum, that's how.


 So how do you really feel?     ::unknowncomic::
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on October 14, 2019, 07:45:23 AM
Never have I seen a leader like Trump lay bare so many obvious truths most in the world have denied...around the globe he is having an impact.

And the China/NORK thing...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/10/09/u-s-china-trade-discussions-going-no-where-by-design-expect-more-trump-tariffs-and-more-beijing-dprk-missile-tests/ (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/10/09/u-s-china-trade-discussions-going-no-where-by-design-expect-more-trump-tariffs-and-more-beijing-dprk-missile-tests/)

...does Xi really think yanking Kim's ball-chain and launching a few Nork missiles is going to make Trump drop his winning strategy?   Especially now that the romance with India is in full bloom with more partners lining up for a dance?

 ::laughonfloor::

Horri sheet, Xi wun dum roosah!   ::hysterical::

Oh, and President Trump jerked the Obama giveaway of the Port of Long Beach!

https://www.judicialwatch.org/corruption-chronicles/trump-rids-major-u-s-container-port-of-chinese-communist-control/?utm_source=deployer&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=corruption+chronicles&utm_term=members&utm_content=20191010020519 (https://www.judicialwatch.org/corruption-chronicles/trump-rids-major-u-s-container-port-of-chinese-communist-control/?utm_source=deployer&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=corruption+chronicles&utm_term=members&utm_content=20191010020519)

Rinning x's 2!   ::whoohoo::


  One has to ask just how much did Pelosi et all made on that deal and where is the money hidden?

How does she stay in Congress decades, on a relatively paltry government salary...and yet have hundreds of millions in net worth...and have the gall to demand the tax returns of a President donating 100% of his salary?

Evil Satanic Socialist Criminal Scum, that's how.


 So how do you really feel?     ::unknowncomic::

Pretty good...visibly better than Diktator Pelosi that's for sure.  Those people who look like Satan already has them by the short-hairs literally look like Hell, don't they? 
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on October 14, 2019, 08:32:15 AM
Saw this, had to chuckle...proof that given enough time, the truth will find it's way into corners once thought inaccessible...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/10/13/jumpin-ju-ju-bones-cnbc-finally-gets-it-a-stunned-jim-cramer-trumps-trade-strategy-is-working/ (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/10/13/jumpin-ju-ju-bones-cnbc-finally-gets-it-a-stunned-jim-cramer-trumps-trade-strategy-is-working/)

This means China must lose first before the negotiations can begin.

Bam!  Trump is inside the Panda's decision loop.

Oh, and that Admin officials are pivoting from FauxBiz to CNBC is very telling too!

 ::thumbsup::   ::thumbsup::

https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3032768/chinas-exports-suffer-biggest-drop-february-us-trade-war (https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3032768/chinas-exports-suffer-biggest-drop-february-us-trade-war)

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-china-figures/chinas-nine-month-exports-to-u-s-down-10-7-in-dollar-terms-idUSKBN1WT068 (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-china-figures/chinas-nine-month-exports-to-u-s-down-10-7-in-dollar-terms-idUSKBN1WT068)

Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: John Florida on October 14, 2019, 09:18:59 PM
  Hong Kong is one problem we a a real problem but there is another problem that will cause riots on main land China....

In Wenzhou, where the pork price has leapt 46 per cent in six months, the city's frozen reserve is 400 tons.


https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/african-swine-fever-china-opens-emergency-pork-before-holiday-pig-out-20190909-p52pif.html (https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/african-swine-fever-china-opens-emergency-pork-before-holiday-pig-out-20190909-p52pif.html)

  I would bet that a large part of what they want is pork which will drive prices up here.  But if they don't find pork and find it real soon there will be major problems at home for the Chicoms.

  Remember Smithfield is China owned.
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: ToddF on October 15, 2019, 05:23:04 AM
That's why China caved and is now importing America farm products, again.  They can't feed themselves.  They can't find other places to buy the food to feed their people other than America.

Pork is soaring in price.  I don't know the price of soybeans, there, but they're a huge part of the diet, also, from soy sauce to tofu to that little dish where you eat soybeans in the pod.
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on October 15, 2019, 07:07:08 AM
Didn't they also have like a swine epidemic of some sort recently that devastated their own capacity?  Something has to be mixed in with rice, suspect chickens are in short supply too, hungry people will devour whatever is available...and raw materials and manufacturing are one thing...food is something that always gets a governments attention...starving people are more likely to riot and slay their overlords.

Press on!

Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Pandora on October 15, 2019, 07:49:44 AM
That's why China caved and is now importing America farm products, again.  They can't feed themselves.  They can't find other places to buy the food to feed their people other than America.

Pork is soaring in price.  I don't know the price of soybeans, there, but they're a huge part of the diet, also, from soy sauce to tofu to that little dish where you eat soybeans in the pod.

Great.  Now the damn pork chops are going to cost an arm and a leg here.
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on October 15, 2019, 08:25:11 AM
Hunting season, venison sausage.  Bet China has nothing to hunt.  Sucks to be them.
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: John Florida on October 15, 2019, 09:56:41 PM
That's why China caved and is now importing America farm products, again.  They can't feed themselves.  They can't find other places to buy the food to feed their people other than America.

Pork is soaring in price.  I don't know the price of soybeans, there, but they're a huge part of the diet, also, from soy sauce to tofu to that little dish where you eat soybeans in the pod.

Great.  Now the damn pork chops are going to cost an arm and a leg here.


  I'll let you know real soon the church is getting ready to have a BBQ fund raiser and we will be ordering in about a week.
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: AlanS on October 16, 2019, 04:52:22 PM
Great.  Now the damn pork chops are going to cost an arm and a leg here.

Local sales papers don't show much of a jump, if any.
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on October 17, 2019, 07:18:40 AM
Pork, it's tasty and repels Islaminals...worth it at any price.   ::thumbsup::
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: AlanS on October 21, 2019, 11:00:55 AM
That's why China caved and is now importing America farm products, again.

They're also importing from Brazil.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-china-soybeans/after-trade-talks-in-u-s-china-ramps-up-brazilian-soy-purchases-idUSKBN1WX1AG?il=0 (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-china-soybeans/after-trade-talks-in-u-s-china-ramps-up-brazilian-soy-purchases-idUSKBN1WX1AG?il=0)
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on October 21, 2019, 12:01:36 PM
That's why China caved and is now importing America farm products, again.

They're also importing from Brazil.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-china-soybeans/after-trade-talks-in-u-s-china-ramps-up-brazilian-soy-purchases-idUSKBN1WX1AG?il=0 (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-china-soybeans/after-trade-talks-in-u-s-china-ramps-up-brazilian-soy-purchases-idUSKBN1WX1AG?il=0)

Hmm, lemme see here...

Bushel of soy beans is 60 pounds, metric ton (I'm sure this article is metric) is 36.74 bushels, 480,000 metric tons would be 8,000 bushels...bushel is about $933 per...wait, article says $173M in US $'s?  If true the Brazilians are raping the heck out of their BRIC-mate!  Makes that "China" not in a hurry to buy from US quip seem like a load of crap!

 ::hysterical::
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on November 12, 2019, 12:17:24 PM
More winning ignored by the GoebbelsMedia...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/11/11/leverage-eu-pledges-increased-u-s-investment-in-effort-to-avoid-u-s-auto-tariffs/

...and they hate him for winning!
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on November 14, 2019, 07:36:16 AM
Lest we forget...another reason why the Globalists needed to run every dirty deal they can with whoever (Biden's) they have to in order to keep their masters happy...

(https://zh-prod-1cc738ca-7d3b-4a72-b792-20bd8d8fa069.storage.googleapis.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_desktop/public/inline-images/1573508233-o_1dpe6atkqr1d1coivhu1p1g1l8c8_large.jpg)

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/inevitable-finale-nord-stream-2-saga (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/inevitable-finale-nord-stream-2-saga)

I look at that map and I see explosive fragility.
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Pandora on November 14, 2019, 09:57:17 AM
In line with tariffs and such, the CORE (get that?  CORE) Consumer Price Index "excludes volatile food and energy costs".

 ::saywhat::
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on November 14, 2019, 11:35:00 AM
Yeah...goes back a long way...they figure most people are too stupid to realize they are being bullsh*tted into thinking all is well when it isn't...and like the myth of socialism making everybody equal in outcome was ignored by its brutalized and demoralized masses...most people know it is BS but go along with it anyway...
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on December 11, 2019, 07:42:19 AM
Like the UN...it got hijacked into a Eff America hog-pile...

https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/china-mulls-eu-trade-dispute-plan-b-tariff-man-trump-delivers-wto-knockout-punch (https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/china-mulls-eu-trade-dispute-plan-b-tariff-man-trump-delivers-wto-knockout-punch)

...I say good bye to hate-America-first outlfits!

Law of the jungle?  Sounds swell, nothing equalizes like mutual advantage...a fact suppressed far too long.
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on December 11, 2019, 07:44:56 AM
That's why China caved and is now importing America farm products, again.

They're also importing from Brazil.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-china-soybeans/after-trade-talks-in-u-s-china-ramps-up-brazilian-soy-purchases-idUSKBN1WX1AG?il=0 (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-china-soybeans/after-trade-talks-in-u-s-china-ramps-up-brazilian-soy-purchases-idUSKBN1WX1AG?il=0)

Hmm, lemme see here...

Bushel of soy beans is 60 pounds, metric ton (I'm sure this article is metric) is 36.74 bushels, 480,000 metric tons would be 8,000 bushels...bushel is about $933 per...wait, article says $173M in US $'s?  If true the Brazilians are raping the heck out of their BRIC-mate!  Makes that "China" not in a hurry to buy from US quip seem like a load of crap!

 ::hysterical::

Seems to indicate urgency on their part...

https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/global-times-says-china-doesnt-need-us-pork-ensure-domestic-pork-supply (https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/global-times-says-china-doesnt-need-us-pork-ensure-domestic-pork-supply)

...let's see how long these pals can keep this up.
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: John Florida on December 11, 2019, 05:34:54 PM
That's why China caved and is now importing America farm products, again.

They're also importing from Brazil.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-china-soybeans/after-trade-talks-in-u-s-china-ramps-up-brazilian-soy-purchases-idUSKBN1WX1AG?il=0 (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-china-soybeans/after-trade-talks-in-u-s-china-ramps-up-brazilian-soy-purchases-idUSKBN1WX1AG?il=0)

Hmm, lemme see here...

Bushel of soy beans is 60 pounds, metric ton (I'm sure this article is metric) is 36.74 bushels, 480,000 metric tons would be 8,000 bushels...bushel is about $933 per...wait, article says $173M in US $'s?  If true the Brazilians are raping the heck out of their BRIC-mate!  Makes that "China" not in a hurry to buy from US quip seem like a load of crap!

 ::hysterical::

Seems to indicate urgency on their part...

https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/global-times-says-china-doesnt-need-us-pork-ensure-domestic-pork-supply (https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/global-times-says-china-doesnt-need-us-pork-ensure-domestic-pork-supply)

...let's see how long these pals can keep this up.

   OH really is that why China bought Smithfield here in the U.S. ?  Cause they don't need pork?
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on December 12, 2019, 07:19:58 AM
That's why China caved and is now importing America farm products, again.

They're also importing from Brazil.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-china-soybeans/after-trade-talks-in-u-s-china-ramps-up-brazilian-soy-purchases-idUSKBN1WX1AG?il=0 (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-china-soybeans/after-trade-talks-in-u-s-china-ramps-up-brazilian-soy-purchases-idUSKBN1WX1AG?il=0)

Hmm, lemme see here...

Bushel of soy beans is 60 pounds, metric ton (I'm sure this article is metric) is 36.74 bushels, 480,000 metric tons would be 8,000 bushels...bushel is about $933 per...wait, article says $173M in US $'s?  If true the Brazilians are raping the heck out of their BRIC-mate!  Makes that "China" not in a hurry to buy from US quip seem like a load of crap!

 ::hysterical::

Seems to indicate urgency on their part...

https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/global-times-says-china-doesnt-need-us-pork-ensure-domestic-pork-supply (https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/global-times-says-china-doesnt-need-us-pork-ensure-domestic-pork-supply)

...let's see how long these pals can keep this up.

   OH really is that why China bought Smithfield here in the U.S. ?  Cause they don't need pork?

(https://images2.imgbox.com/0b/1d/2ZAzU6RE_o.gif)

https://www.hkex.com.hk/Market-Data/Securities-Prices/Equities/Equities-Quote?sym=288&sc_lang=en (https://www.hkex.com.hk/Market-Data/Securities-Prices/Equities/Equities-Quote?sym=288&sc_lang=en)

(https://images2.imgbox.com/90/e6/sjB9vRCu_o.jpg)

No fair peeking behind the curtain!

Nice call BTW...they have a hog plant in Romania...wonder how many hogs end up on Chi-Com tables?

Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on December 12, 2019, 08:04:25 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/china-warns-it-will-retaliate-after-reuters-reports-trump-will-proceed-dec-15-tariffs (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/china-warns-it-will-retaliate-after-reuters-reports-trump-will-proceed-dec-15-tariffs)

Uhh huh, yeah well...Panda got a purdy mouth!

Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on December 25, 2019, 12:03:02 PM
Donald the Conqueror gets the pudgy panda to grab ankles again -

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/12/22/panda-takes-a-knee-beijing-announces-lowering-of-850-import-tariffs/

Rinning, he make rook easy!

 ;D

And in related news...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/12/24/chinas-communist-state-council-promises-to-offset-economic-slowdown/

...uhh huh, after elements supporting the Chi-Com police state and farms with good connections to party hot shots are taken care of...not going to be much protection left...and you know what idle hands like to do...
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on February 06, 2020, 08:08:05 AM
Hurting economically...hurting image-wise and economically with this corona virus that got loose...it makes sense they would slash their tariffs on some US goods (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/china-slash-tariffs-some-us-imports-amid-economic-shock)...and I suspect more will be on the way and that the levels...if still too high...will meet continued pushback by us in the form of matching in-kind good going this direction.

(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ac904517af212f28acd40fb777349b6d53d16a6afce39f11ec45ee24aa37cad1.gif)
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: John Florida on February 06, 2020, 01:06:45 PM
  They are feeling the pain of not being able to get products out of China cause people aren't at work. Nothing food related should be accepted from them for a good long time if ever.


 5th largest Automaker Hyundai said they are furloughing S Korea plants and stopping production due to parts shortages out of the China Supply Chain.  H/T Havoc 
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on February 07, 2020, 07:24:07 AM
Yeah...and they haven't even felt the full force of the returning tsunami...they should be wholesale eliminating any barrier to stimulate activity but the control-freak impulse in communists runs deep...they will never go that far...so yes, pain and lots of it.
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on May 01, 2020, 08:38:58 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/yuan-crashes-after-trump-weighs-blocking-retirement-fund-access-chinese-stocks-war-words (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/yuan-crashes-after-trump-weighs-blocking-retirement-fund-access-chinese-stocks-war-words)

Escalate...and don't stop...WuFlu fluckers need to experience consequences.
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on June 11, 2020, 08:46:03 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/rush-hour-traffic-soybean-ships-latam-asia-china-ditches-america (https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/rush-hour-traffic-soybean-ships-latam-asia-china-ditches-america)

 ::smallestviolin::

Tell me, oh champion of anybody but America...how are the Chi-Com exports coming along?

Hello?

You there?

(crickets)

Thought so...
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on June 24, 2020, 08:18:03 AM
Heh, next target of opportunity - EU.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/us-draws-plan-slap-tariffs-31-billion-european-goods (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/us-draws-plan-slap-tariffs-31-billion-european-goods)

That'll get the commies here bunched-up diapers...all socialists love uneven playing fields and subsidies are always their favored method of transferring extorted taxpayers funds to loyal campaign-supporting cronies.
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: John Florida on June 24, 2020, 07:19:10 PM
  Time for them to stop taking and start paying.
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on June 30, 2020, 08:25:38 AM
Dear Leader Xi sweeps away the last vestiges of the Honk Kong that was...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-approves-hong-kong-national-security-law (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-approves-hong-kong-national-security-law)

(cue the Darth Sidious cackle)

And the next Chi-Com virus is on deck...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/new-flu-virus-pandemic-potential-emerges-china (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/new-flu-virus-pandemic-potential-emerges-china)

...the Beijing Barf...

And now the Chi-Com's are raping people with gilded copper (fake!) gold bars...83 fricken tons of it!

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/83-tons-fake-gold-bars-gold-market-rocked-massive-china-counterfeiting-scandal (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/83-tons-fake-gold-bars-gold-market-rocked-massive-china-counterfeiting-scandal)

...the Wuhan Flu...the Wuhan Scam...gosh, what's next?

Ross properly begins the HK revocation process...goodbye STS...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/06/29/secretary-wilbur-ross-begins-revocation-of-hong-kong-special-trade-status/ (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/06/29/secretary-wilbur-ross-begins-revocation-of-hong-kong-special-trade-status/)

All well and good...but they are literally waging war every way possible...time to increase the pain level several notches.

Commies, no matter where they are...damned fed up with 'em!
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on July 14, 2020, 08:08:16 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/top-communist-party-official-china-us-headed-complete-economic-decoupling (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/top-communist-party-official-china-us-headed-complete-economic-decoupling)

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-sanctions-us-senators-representatives-over-uighur-rights (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-sanctions-us-senators-representatives-over-uighur-rights)

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/tensions-soar-trump-admin-could-scrap-audit-deal-us-listed-chinese-firms (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/tensions-soar-trump-admin-could-scrap-audit-deal-us-listed-chinese-firms)

Chi-Com's not liking it much when they don't get their way...the Nixon-Kissinger opening was never meant to make America the bitch of China....or was it?

Well, that crap is over.  Let them batter a new wife...
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: John Florida on July 14, 2020, 07:22:38 PM
 It's amazing how they can make companies pulling out look like it's their idea.   foottapping
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: patentlymn on July 14, 2020, 07:46:48 PM

...
And now the Chi-Com's are raping people with gilded copper (fake!) gold bars...83 fricken tons of it!

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/83-tons-fake-gold-bars-gold-market-rocked-massive-china-counterfeiting-scandal (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/83-tons-fake-gold-bars-gold-market-rocked-massive-china-counterfeiting-scandal)

...the Wuhan Flu...the Wuhan Scam...gosh, what's next?

...

WOW.
I used to watch the video blogs of the ADVChina guys.  My understanding of China is 100s of anecdotes and examples.
They are honest to people they owe a duty of honesty to. That includes family. They cheat others including strangers and especially foreigners. I do not hate Chinese. They are what they are. it is best to recognize what they are.
They get a lot more for their money via loans than the US military gets with weapons. I do not side with them but respect them.

It is good to see Trump going after Chinese spies in the US.  They are just being loyal to China.
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on July 15, 2020, 08:40:39 AM

...
And now the Chi-Com's are raping people with gilded copper (fake!) gold bars...83 fricken tons of it!

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/83-tons-fake-gold-bars-gold-market-rocked-massive-china-counterfeiting-scandal (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/83-tons-fake-gold-bars-gold-market-rocked-massive-china-counterfeiting-scandal)

...the Wuhan Flu...the Wuhan Scam...gosh, what's next?

...

WOW.
I used to watch the video blogs of the ADVChina guys.  My understanding of China is 100s of anecdotes and examples.
They are honest to people they owe a duty of honesty to. That includes family. They cheat others including strangers and especially foreigners. I do not hate Chinese. They are what they are. it is best to recognize what they are.
They get a lot more for their money via loans than the US military gets with weapons. I do not side with them but respect them.

It is good to see Trump going after Chinese spies in the US.  They are just being loyal to China.

Who else operates that way?

All Commies?  YES!!!
All Democrats?  (See Commies)
All FakeNews Outlets?  (See Commies)
All SocialistMedia monopolists?  (See Commies)
All Crony-Capitalists?  (Appeasers of Commies if not outright Commies)  YES!!!
All Cucks (See Appeasers)
Criminals?  YES!!!
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And the most obvious to any fully-aware sentient creature...the practitioners of kitman, taqiyya, tawriya and muruna whom the Commies...excuse me, the dhimmi's are obedient to...unlike us kaffar (kafir singular infidel) who know them for the treacherous evil they are - the Mohammadan's!

Commies and space-rock apocalyptic cultists have a lot in common...and none of it virtuous.

(https://gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/057/031/621/original/50de0333ba08b8d4.png)
H/T-WRSA
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Alphabet Soup on July 15, 2020, 09:06:46 AM
Feeling a bit frosty today, are we?

 ;)
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on July 15, 2020, 09:58:53 AM
Downright frigid...

ETA - Some beans should help with defrosting...

https://youtu.be/FXHkFZ-nG4Y

 ::hysterical::
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on August 20, 2020, 10:41:23 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/review-us-china-trade-deal-resume-coming-days (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/review-us-china-trade-deal-resume-coming-days)

Well, the chest-beating, wreckless boating/airplane actions and threatening "nuclear war" hasn't worked...so I guess they'll at least look like they're talking...before repeating the cycle again...

Keep denying reality...see if I care...

See if Trump and America care...
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: John Florida on August 20, 2020, 10:46:29 AM
  I think they just admitted they are going to have to deal with him for another 4 years.
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on August 31, 2020, 09:08:35 AM
Yeah, that's a shame...

 :D
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on September 11, 2020, 08:03:53 AM
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/09/11/strategic-winning-samsung-and-hk-hynix-stop-next-gen-chip-sales-to-huawei/

Boom, no more being played for a fool...

 ::thumbsup::
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on September 16, 2020, 09:01:54 AM
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/aluminum-tariffs-trade-trump-trudeau-1.5724391 (https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/aluminum-tariffs-trade-trump-trudeau-1.5724391)

Presume they'll behave...through the election...
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on September 24, 2020, 08:05:01 AM
China could be on the brink of exhausting its massive frozen pork reserves as the country's pig herd is wiped out by African swine fever.

Declining reserves are particularly bad news for the Communist Party of China, which is worried that it might not be able to prevent another destabilizing surge in prices.
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As prices continue to climb amid dwindling reserves, the CPC will need to increase imports of frozen pork from the US or Latin America, limiting supplies of fresh pork even further (Chinese consumers typically prefer fresh to frozen, and have been known to be suspicious of China's frozen reserves).

https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/china-pork-reserves-risk-running-out-months-prices-soar (https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/china-pork-reserves-risk-running-out-months-prices-soar)

Well, isn't that interesting...
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: ToddF on September 24, 2020, 08:13:27 AM
No matter what other problems America has, we can still feed ourselves.  ::thumbsup::   There is nothing more important for a country.
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on September 24, 2020, 08:43:39 AM
Yup.  Family first, but for a healthy nation - Self-sufficiency in the key things - food, fabrication & fighting capability.
Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on October 19, 2020, 10:31:06 AM
When you're losing and punishing innocent people is your only card left...

https://nypost.com/2020/10/18/china-warns-it-will-take-americans-hostage-if-charges-arent-dropped/

Phluc Yu, FluBoy!   ::vafancoul::

Title: Re: On steel and aluminum tariffs .......
Post by: Libertas on November 19, 2020, 07:44:56 AM
It "could be messy"...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/trumps-nuclear-dollar-option-yet-be-deployed-against-china (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/trumps-nuclear-dollar-option-yet-be-deployed-against-china)

Uhh huh...umm, 2020 in a nutshell...so...why not do the dollar nuke?

Dumpster fire year thanks to Pan-Global commie bastards anyway...

Show me a better option?