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Title: Libyan revolt news
Post by: rickl on February 27, 2011, 12:08:05 AM
This is the photo on the front page at Drudge:

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Heh.
Title: Re: Libyan revolt news
Post by: trapeze on February 27, 2011, 12:16:58 AM
The Bamster is truly an inspiration.
Title: Re: Libyan revolt news
Post by: John Florida on February 27, 2011, 12:25:48 AM
The Bamster is truly an inspiration.

 Maybe Libya would want him.
Title: Re: Libyan revolt news
Post by: Alphabet Soup on February 27, 2011, 10:26:36 AM
The Bamster is truly an inspiration.

 Maybe Libya would want him.

You mean "Lybia" don't ya?!   ::hysterical:: ::hysterical:: ::hysterical::
Title: Re: Libyan revolt news
Post by: John Florida on February 27, 2011, 11:08:54 AM
The Bamster is truly an inspiration.

 Maybe Libya would want him.

You mean "Lybia" don't ya?!   ::hysterical:: ::hysterical:: ::hysterical::


 ::unknowncomic::
Title: Re: Libyan revolt news
Post by: Libertas on February 28, 2011, 10:28:09 PM
When I hear the phrase "move assets around" it usually means putting a carrier task force and perhaps a MEU or two at the ready.  Regardless, a carrier will have to come into play to enforce any no-fly zone, or else many a refueling tanker will be sortied to cover NATO aircraft out of Italy.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e588cd5c-4338-11e0-aef2-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1FJnYD29E (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e588cd5c-4338-11e0-aef2-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1FJnYD29E)
Title: Re: Libyan revolt news
Post by: charlesoakwood on February 28, 2011, 11:46:45 PM

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or else many a refueling tanker will be sortied to cover NATO aircraft out of Italy.

eyue no, that's noxious

Title: Re: Libyan revolt news
Post by: Sectionhand on March 01, 2011, 06:04:29 AM
In a related story , Secy. of State Hillary Clinton has announced that the Obama Administration is considering acting unilaterally to enforce a "no fly zone" over Charlie Sheen .
Title: Re: Libyan revolt news
Post by: Libertas on March 01, 2011, 11:08:11 AM
Wow, bold move for a leftard!   ::hysterical::
Title: Re: Libyan revolt news
Post by: Libertas on March 01, 2011, 12:50:26 PM
Sounds like Enterprise is heading back into the Med, but now the Rooskies are pooh-poohing the idea of a no-fly zone.

Poor Rooskies, still trying to pretend like anybody gives a rip what they think!
Title: Re: Libyan revolt news
Post by: Glock32 on March 01, 2011, 01:21:25 PM
Uh-oh. Now I guess they're going to send in one of their carriers too.  ::hysterical::
Title: Re: Libyan revolt news
Post by: Libertas on March 01, 2011, 01:35:12 PM
Yeah!  The Varyag was sold to the ChiCom's and the Kuznetsov hasn't done diddly squat since catching fire off Turkey in 2009.  Those Rooskie fuster-clucks can't deploy anything larger than a cruiser now.  And even then they have only one operational Kirov class and the one Slava class available.   ::hysterical::
Title: Re: Libyan revolt news
Post by: Sectionhand on March 01, 2011, 03:11:42 PM
Yeah!  The Varyag was sold to the ChiCom's and the Kuznetsov hasn't done diddly squat since catching fire off Turkey in 2009.  Those Rooskie fuster-clucks can't deploy anything larger than a cruiser now.  And even then they have only one operational Kirov class and the one Slava class available.   ::hysterical::

Do the Kirov and Slava class carriers have steam catapaults or do their jets need a running start ?
Title: Re: Libyan revolt news
Post by: Glock32 on March 01, 2011, 03:55:24 PM
The Russians do have one major advantage though: a leader with balls who doesn't hate his own country.
Title: Re: Libyan revolt news
Post by: Libertas on March 01, 2011, 04:18:13 PM
Yeah!  The Varyag was sold to the ChiCom's and the Kuznetsov hasn't done diddly squat since catching fire off Turkey in 2009.  Those Rooskie fuster-clucks can't deploy anything larger than a cruiser now.  And even then they have only one operational Kirov class and the one Slava class available.   ::hysterical::

Do the Kirov and Slava class carriers have steam catapaults or do their jets need a running start ?

The Kuznetsov is their only carrier now, and it is holed up in port right now, and it uses the ski-jump so a running start it is...and if their aircraft have any stall issues...plop!  The Kirov's & Slava are cruisers and 4 out of 6 are down for overhaul.  The Red Navy is pretty weak, especially in surface ships.
Title: Re: Libyan revolt news
Post by: Libertas on March 01, 2011, 04:18:57 PM
The Russians do have one major advantage though: a leader with balls who doesn't hate his own country.

Yeah, balls and no brains trumps no balls and no brains!  

 ::unknowncomic::
Title: Re: Libyan revolt news
Post by: Glock32 on March 01, 2011, 04:25:46 PM
The Kuznetsov is their only carrier now, and it is holed up in port right now, and it uses the ski-jump so a running start it is...and if their aircraft have any stall issues...plop!  The Kirov's & Slava are cruisers and 4 out of 6 are down for overhaul.  The Red Navy is pretty weak, especially in surface ships.

I don't think I'd fancy a cruise with their subsurface fleet either. Torpedoes detonating inside the sub (personally I would prefer a few thousand meters away), reactors dependent on molten sodium as a coolant, and whatever the mechanism is that manipulates the control rods, well theirs was designed with crew safety somewhere below #1 priority.

Was it Westinghouse who made the first submarine reactor? I remember seeing an old 60s era documentary where they showed the ingenious mechanism for controlling it, basically a screw surrounded by an electromagnet that would turn the screw by reversing the magnetic poles. I think the Russkies had to send some poor sap in there to do it by hand.
Title: Re: Libyan revolt news
Post by: Libertas on March 01, 2011, 04:35:00 PM
The Kuznetsov is their only carrier now, and it is holed up in port right now, and it uses the ski-jump so a running start it is...and if their aircraft have any stall issues...plop!  The Kirov's & Slava are cruisers and 4 out of 6 are down for overhaul.  The Red Navy is pretty weak, especially in surface ships.

I don't think I'd fancy a cruise with their subsurface fleet either. Torpedoes detonating inside the sub (personally I would prefer a few thousand meters away), reactors dependent on molten sodium as a coolant, and whatever the mechanism is that manipulates the control rods, well theirs was designed with crew safety somewhere below #1 priority.

Was it Westinghouse who made the first submarine reactor? I remember seeing an old 60s era documentary where they showed the ingenious mechanism for controlling it, basically a screw surrounded by an electromagnet that would turn the screw by reversing the magnetic poles. I think the Russkies had to send some poor sap in there to do it by hand.

True.  Wasn't the Kursk a torpedo incident that caused its demise?  And they have had numerous reactor issues.  I don't think they've every fully declassified all their dirty laundry.
Title: Re: Libyan revolt news
Post by: Glock32 on March 01, 2011, 04:39:47 PM
Yes, the Kursk was done in by one of her own torpedoes. They didn't find conclusive evidence until they raised it, which was a few years later. Prior to that everyone was heavily insinuating the world's favorite bogey man (us) had something to do with it. I'm sure there are some who still insist the US did it. The same morons accuse us of sinking that South Korean ship a few months ago.
Title: Re: Libyan revolt news
Post by: Libertas on March 01, 2011, 04:43:32 PM
Yeah, I think if we hit 'em, something would have leaked about about it by now...

Russian incompetence and substandard workmanship have probably killed more of their countrymen than anything the West ever did...

 :P
Title: Re: Libyan revolt news
Post by: charlesoakwood on March 03, 2011, 09:21:05 PM
Remember yesterday and all the 75K refugee Libyans running from Quadaffie to Tunisian safety?  Tonight, Fox, Jonathan Hunt , while showing video of no people at the Tunisian gate described yesterday's mass as people fleeing in order to return to their country of origin.  Implicit in that comment is that these people were not Libyans running from Quadaffie but foreign workers, Bangles, Indians, whatever, trying to get the heck out of a war zone.  A war that they have no allegiance to and the warriors have no kinship with them.  zip

Egypt, any breaking news there? And all of the rest of the mid-east, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Jordan, these reporters and our elected and appointed officials do not know pizzaz.  Their reporting and press conferences are a reckless and dangerous behavior.  

Now, they are beating the drum for a no fly zone.  A NFZ the way they are talking about it is an act of war.  The only reason it is not an act of war is that they all (NATO or something like it) agree to call it an NFZ instead of a declaration of war.  And if we do committ to this it will be our resources taken away from places such as, China Seas? Arabian Sea?  under administration by CIC Chairman Zero.  PIZZAZ!

Quote

"Would to Heaven we had a navy to reform those enemies to mankind, or crush them into non-existence,"

_ _ George Washington


Title: Re: Libyan revolt news
Post by: Libertas on March 04, 2011, 07:10:29 AM
Duh (Lame) Wun doesn't have to the stones to go with a NFZ, not without UN & NATO cover anyway.  And we're not leaving the Arabian Sea anytime soon.  There is always 2 carrier groups on deployment, so in this case both the Arabian & Med would be covered, leaving the western Pacific to be covered by the current USS Neverdock, the Washington out of Yokasuka.  But it would shorten the turn-around times for post/pre-deployment groups.

The other thing about foreigners fleeing war zones, tends to ratchet up the level of violence, less concern over "incidents"...so I would expect things to turn nastier.
Title: Re: Libyan revolt news
Post by: Sectionhand on March 06, 2011, 06:15:47 AM
Oboner knows little and could care less about foreign affairs . His biggest concern is domestic and reconfiguring this country into a Stalinist clone .
Title: Re: Libyan revolt news
Post by: Libertas on March 06, 2011, 01:02:21 PM
That's for sure, SH!  And the proof?  Well it's all around, just look!

What's Obamakov doing now, with the Mideast in flames and oil & gas prices rising?

He's going golfing, again, for the eight bazillionth time!

 ::facepalm::
Title: Re: Libyan revolt news
Post by: Libertas on March 13, 2011, 12:19:43 PM
Libyan no fly zone?  Why?  I agree with Gates on this issue, although he doesn't say so, I am thinking why would we want to give a bunch of harder hardcore Islamists another nation?  A weaker Muammar government might be easier to deal with than some Iranian style 12th Imam batsh*t-crazy bastards.

Whatever his reason, I hope Gates convinces Duh Wun a NFZ is not in our interests.  We'll see who wins, Gates or the Arab League!

I am not hopeful...

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.169f36d31634e648d6dcacdc2a3042c3.521&show_article=1 (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.169f36d31634e648d6dcacdc2a3042c3.521&show_article=1)
Title: Re: Libyan revolt news
Post by: Pandora on March 13, 2011, 12:27:44 PM
Oy.  I can't believe this stupidity of entangling ourselves in the Middle East is about to be prolonged.  We need to inform these barbarians that they are free to kill each other and themselves, any further war-making against, and importuning of, the West AND OUR ALLIES will be met with dire consequences, and then get the hell out.
Title: Re: Libyan revolt news
Post by: charlesoakwood on March 13, 2011, 12:49:37 PM

Since WWII we have not completed a mission, Granada excepted.
We should not contemplate any action with this incompetent administration.
A politician or military leader espousing dynamic action for any reason is doing so for his own aggrandizement and not in the interest of America.

Title: Re: Libyan revolt news
Post by: Sectionhand on March 13, 2011, 01:53:47 PM

Since WWII we have not completed a mission, Granada excepted.
We should not contemplate any action with this incompetent administration.
A politician or military leader espousing dynamic action for any reason is doing so for his own aggrandizement and not in the interest of America.



You forgot Panama ...
Title: Re: Libyan revolt news
Post by: Sectionhand on March 13, 2011, 02:04:24 PM
The big problem is that we don't know who we're dealing with and seem to be making no effort to find out . Of course the usual list of peripheral and shady characters exists like al-Queda and the Muslim Brotherhood and if they represent the real spirit behind the revolt then screw them . The best we could hope for is that they kill each other with no help from us but that won't happen . Libya won't remain a power vacuum . If the Arab League and concerned Arab countries want a no fly zone over Libya then they have adequate air forces to do it themselves ( Egypt , Saudi Arabia and Jordan have first rate air forces ) . Why then are they sitting on their burnooses ? Because it's easier if the West takes the chances and the possible fall leaving their own hands clean .
Title: Re: Libyan revolt news
Post by: John Florida on March 13, 2011, 03:08:16 PM
The big problem is that we don't know who we're dealing with and seem to be making no effort to find out . Of course the usual list of peripheral and shady characters exists like al-Queda and the Muslim Brotherhood and if they represent the real spirit behind the revolt then screw them . The best we could hope for is that they kill each other with no help from us but that won't happen . Libya won't remain a power vacuum . If the Arab League and concerned Arab countries want a no fly zone over Libya then they have adequate air forces to do it themselves ( Egypt , Saudi Arabia and Jordan have first rate air forces ) . Why then are they sitting on their burnooses ? Because it's easier if the West takes the chances and the possible fall leaving their own hands clean .


 They know were hurting financially and it would be two birds with one stone.I'm for keeping out of it.
Title: Re: Libyan revolt news
Post by: Glock32 on March 13, 2011, 03:13:56 PM
I agree, we need to stay out. That way we'll be treated to all the same exact people who criticize the US for getting involved everywhere criticize us for not getting involved.

If they want a No Fly Zone, let the Arabs and/or Europeans deal with it. We're mired in enough half-measures as it is.
Title: Re: Libyan revolt news
Post by: John Florida on March 13, 2011, 03:32:54 PM
I agree, we need to stay out. That way we'll be treated to all the same exact people who criticize the US for getting involved everywhere criticize us for not getting involved.

If they want a No Fly Zone, let the Arabs and/or Europeans deal with it. We're mired in enough half-measures as it is.

 The ydon't supply us with shyt so I don't see the interest in them. And for Gods sake don't arm any more rebels.
Title: Re: Libyan revolt news
Post by: BigAlSouth on March 14, 2011, 05:15:20 AM
What we need is another strongly worded resolution by the United Nations. Then, and only then can we gather around the campfire, hold hands in solidarity, and sing Kubaya . . .

Someone's cryin', Lord, kumbaya;
Someone's cryin', Lord, kumbaya;
Someone's cryin', Lord, kumbaya;
Oh, Lord, kumbaya.
Title: Re: Libyan revolt news
Post by: charlesoakwood on March 14, 2011, 05:29:22 PM

The MSM blathers on about less rebels and Quadifi struggling to press forward.
Never a word to the thought he let the rebels play themselves out, also reveal the leaders, before finishing the play. 

Also, the often mentioned tribal system he allowed to continue but never a mention that geographically and tribally there was no rebellion to him.

 
Title: Re: Libyan revolt news
Post by: Libertas on March 17, 2011, 07:16:47 AM
This Regime is dysfunctional as hell.  No wonder other nations are having little faith in anything we say...

First, Hildabeast is manuevering like going beyond a NFZ to direct intervention air assualt in Libya is a realistic option, replete with getting the Egyptian's to jump through hoops...

http://www.debka.com/article/20772/ (http://www.debka.com/article/20772/)

Then we have Duh Wun wetting himself over offending the Persian's if he does anything in Libya!  (Also an indirect admission that Shiite's are a force within the rebellion, eh?!)

http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2011/03/team-obama-afraid-intervention-in-libya-will-upset-iran/ (http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2011/03/team-obama-afraid-intervention-in-libya-will-upset-iran/)

What a completely effed up outfit!  Team Obama!  Team Incompetent!  Team Appeasement!  Team UnAmerica!
Title: Re: Libyan revolt news
Post by: Sectionhand on March 17, 2011, 08:10:10 AM
Courtesy of Stymie ... "The Jig's up !"  Libyan Revolt ...R.I.P.
Title: Re: Libyan revolt news
Post by: John Florida on March 17, 2011, 08:25:50 AM
Courtesy of Stymie ... "The Jig's up !"  Libyan Revolt ...R.I.P.

 How could it be dead when the Comader and chief said Daffy has to go? Doesn't Daffy know who he's dealing with?


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