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Topics => Weather, Climate, & Natural Disasters => Topic started by: Libertas on October 25, 2012, 12:31:06 PM
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-25/new-york-about-be-hit-perfect-storm (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-25/new-york-about-be-hit-perfect-storm)
What are the odds a perfect storm hits NYC? Wonder if Intrade has odds on this...
Hmmm, nothing specific for Sandy, just a generic Cat2 making landfall -
http://www.intrade.com/v4/markets/contract/?contractId=756077 (http://www.intrade.com/v4/markets/contract/?contractId=756077)
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(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2012/10/20121025_sandy1_0.png)
Is this a graphic of possible tracks?
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Right up the Potomac baby, we were saved from the British
maybe one more chance?
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Whelp, it looks like maybe we best go vote early after all .... just in case.
Just got off the phone with Ma in NJ and advised her to do the same.
I have to call her middle of next week and make sure they've got their ducks in a row in case the power goes out.
I don't know why, but I was thinking the storm was further out than it is. I just heard the weather-weenies talking "peak storm" on Tuesday.
Looks like the Ma-call will have to happen on Sunday.
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Right up the Potomac baby, we were saved from the British
maybe one more chance?
Yeah, maybe DC will get an early cleansing.
OT - We had a rain and a bit of snow yesterday, it didn't stick though. Morons at NOAA can't figure out what kind of winter we'll all have, they have us on the border of warmer & normal...these people must be using the same climate change model for all their retarded predictions!
BOT - They keep warning this storm could merge with another low-pressure up north and coincide with the full moon and stronger tides and get another "perfect" storm scenario.
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Remember the last time one of these babies hit?
Just sayin' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Halloween_blizzard)
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Weather map before the 1991 blizzard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Surface_map_of_the_United_States_October_30_1991.png)
(http://maps.weather.com/images/maps/current/curwx_440x297.jpg)
Current map
::thinking::
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Drudge linked to Bloomberg with Worst Storm in a Hundred Years Seen for Northeast US (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-25/u-s-east-from-washington-to-nyc-at-risk-from-hurricane-sandy.html) ....
Here's the pic at the top of the page ...
(http://www.bloomberg.com/image/iw3h8FPTjX7g.jpg)
Here's the caption ...
"A driver maneuvers his classic American car along a wet road as a wave crashes against the Malecon in Havana, Cuba, on Oct. 25, 2012. Hurricane Sandy blasted across eastern Cuba on Thursday as a potent Category 2 storm and headed for the Bahamas after causing at least two deaths in the Caribbean."
... without, apparently, the slightest acknowledgement that the only reason "a driver" in Cuba has a "classic American car" is because these relics of a bygone area are the only cars THEY'RE ALLOWED.
Anyway, here's a bit of what they have on the storm:
"Hurricane Sandy will probably grow into a “Frankenstorm” that may become the worst to hit the U.S. Northeast in 100 years if current forecasts are correct.
Sandy may combine with a second storm coming out of the Midwest to create a system that would rival the New England hurricane of 1938 in intensity, said Paul Kocin, a National Weather Service meteorologist in College Park, Maryland. The hurricane currently passing the Bahamas has killed 21 people across the Caribbean, the Associated Press reported, citing local officials.
“What we’re seeing in some of our models is a storm at an intensity that we have not seen in this part of the country in the past century,” Kocin said in a telephone interview yesterday. “We’re not trying to hype it, this is what we’re seeing in some of our models. It may come in weaker.”
The hybrid storm may strike anywhere from the Delaware- Maryland-Virginia peninsula to southern New England. The current National Hurricane Center track calls for the system to go ashore in New Jersey on Oct. 30, although landfall predictions often change as storms get closer to shore.
A tropical-storm watch was issued from Savannah River northward to Oregon Inlet in North Carolina, the U.S. NHC said in an advisory. A tropical storm warning is in effect for Florida’s east coast from Ocean Reef to Flagler Beach. A storm watch means tropical storm conditions are possible within the region, a warning means tropical storm conditions are expected."
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Aye, the speed and intersection point, we shall see...and the 29th is darn close to the full moon so tides could be stronger. Ufda, might not be "perfect" could be just bad enough. I'm sure everyone is hoping for a more easterly track, keep that noise off shore.
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No doubt the Leftists are, at this very moment, strategizing as to how they might turn this storm into a loss-prevention tool for Barack Hussein Obama.
Let no crisis go to waste. Whether it's a crisis or not, expect it to be a crisis. The media will be in lockstep with whatever deviant course of action the SCoaMF says we need to take.
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Another reason to hope it stays far out to sea!
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I'm already a little nervous for the family up there.Spoke to them this morning making sure that they're al paying attention and will be ready before it hits,if it hits.
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I'm already a little nervous for the family up there.Spoke to them this morning making sure that they're al paying attention and will be ready before it hits,if it hits.
Don't blame you. I'm jittery about the Parental Units AND us. And you.
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I'm already a little nervous for the family up there.Spoke to them this morning making sure that they're al paying attention and will be ready before it hits,if it hits.
Don't blame you. I'm jittery about the Parental Units AND us. And you.
Were good,sofar it's hasn't been any big deal.But thanks.
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No doubt the Leftists are, at this very moment, strategizing as to how they might turn this storm into a loss-prevention tool for Barack Hussein Obama.
Let no crisis go to waste. Whether it's a crisis or not, expect it to be a crisis. The media will be in lockstep with whatever deviant course of action the SCoaMF says we need to take.
I could see an extended outage of power and communications in northeastern states being turned into "we must extend time for voting in the affected areas", especially combined with results elsewhere showing a potential Romney victory (i.e. you people in the blue states, this is your extension of time to get out and prevent a Romney win).
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That 1991 storm was the storm in The Perfect Storm. Remember it well; I was working in Joisey and they were hardly touched. Not so with the City. We had a ton of rain coupled with high tides timed with the storm surge. A lot of damage right long the coast. There were literally waterfalls in the subway, wth some lines closed due to massive flooding, which is a rarity. (I've seen subway lines closed because of blizzard conditions, but those are the elevated ones; the subsurface trains keep running.)
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If there were any fallout on us from Sandy, it would have happened today. Nothing did; a little bit windy is all.
I spoke to my friend in south- central NJ about an hour ago. She tells me she ran around yesterday trying to acquire the things I've been telling her about for a year now. She couldn't buy a flashlight and batteries.
Me - "Whaaat?! What have I been telling you for over a year now?!"
Her - "Well, we have a flashlight; I wanted another."
Me - "A flashlight?! You only have one? Do you have a lantern?"
Her - "Lantern? What kind of lantern?"
Me - ::gaah:: "A battery powered lantern. You have a three-story house, counting the basement. If the power goes out, you park the lantern in a central spot so you don't have to tie a hand up carrying/using a flashlight."
Her - "Oh. Where do I get one of those?"
Me - ::gaah:: ::gaah::
These people do not know how to take care of themselves, I'm telling you. I asked my sister-in-law today about how she's fixed for a power outage. What do you think she said? "Oh, that's probably not going to happen."
Did I say ::gaah:: ?
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Heh. The "it won't happen to me crowd"... ::facepalm::
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I checked on the parents and the kids and everybody is ready as it gets.Finnaly I got through to all of them. Food fuel and all the little things are in the house. It took a bloody fit during the last storm from me and I don't think they want to go through that with me again.
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I took very moderate measures.
Bought some kero for the heaters,couple pieces of stovepipe to hook up the old Warm Morning (that will be reused when I hook up the wood furnace), a few batteries and an oil lamp.
My wife thinks I'm nuts and nothing will happen.
I told her she would rather be wrong and sit in the cold and dark that take a few precautions
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Here in the Blue Ridge we are getting snow as the backside of the storm wraps in over the colder air that plunged down from Canada. Some areas are forecast to get over 2 feet. Highly unusual amount of snow for October.
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Here in the Blue Ridge we are getting snow as the backside of the storm wraps in over the colder air that plunged down from Canada. Some areas are forecast to get over 2 feet. Highly unusual amount of snow for October.
That cold air is being sucked in to fill the vacuum left by Sandy as she passes north. Pretty impressive satellite action!
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/eaus/flash-wv.html (http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/eaus/flash-wv.html)
Zone A being evacuated per Mayor Doomberg, he might be a jackass, but he knows better to play it safe than risk being an idiot like Ray Nagin during Katrina.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-28/new-york-mayor-orders-evacuation-zone-residents (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-28/new-york-mayor-orders-evacuation-zone-residents)
ETA - State by state forecasts, looks like Connecticut (6-9') is the storm surge prom queen (as is the storm tide surge of 14-15' at Bridgeport) -
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-29/sandys-state-state-impact-forecast (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-29/sandys-state-state-impact-forecast)
Where your people at JF? Hope they get inland!
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Exactly what happened in Minnesota in 1991. The whole thing this time is just a little further east.
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Here in the Blue Ridge we are getting snow as the backside of the storm wraps in over the colder air that plunged down from Canada. Some areas are forecast to get over 2 feet. Highly unusual amount of snow for October.
That cold air is being sucked in to fill the vacuum left by Sandy as she passes north. Pretty impressive satellite action!
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/eaus/flash-wv.html (http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/eaus/flash-wv.html)
Zone A being evacuated per Mayor Doomberg, he might be a jackass, but he knows better to play it safe than risk being an idiot like Ray Nagin during Katrina.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-28/new-york-mayor-orders-evacuation-zone-residents (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-28/new-york-mayor-orders-evacuation-zone-residents)
ETA - State by state forecasts, looks like Connecticut (6-9') is the storm surge prom queen (as is the storm tide surge of 14-15' at Bridgeport) -
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-29/sandys-state-state-impact-forecast (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-29/sandys-state-state-impact-forecast)
Where your people at JF? Hope they get inland!
They're all well inland(any I care about) there is one in the milford area who has got to be sweating bullets and not to mention his boat is still in the water which will be a major problem for him.
The parents and kids are all ready and waiting and should be OK but I still worry.
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Here in the Blue Ridge we are getting snow as the backside of the storm wraps in over the colder air that plunged down from Canada. Some areas are forecast to get over 2 feet. Highly unusual amount of snow for October.
That cold air is being sucked in to fill the vacuum left by Sandy as she passes north. Pretty impressive satellite action!
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/eaus/flash-wv.html (http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/eaus/flash-wv.html)
Zone A being evacuated per Mayor Doomberg, he might be a jackass, but he knows better to play it safe than risk being an idiot like Ray Nagin during Katrina.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-28/new-york-mayor-orders-evacuation-zone-residents (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-28/new-york-mayor-orders-evacuation-zone-residents)
ETA - State by state forecasts, looks like Connecticut (6-9') is the storm surge prom queen (as is the storm tide surge of 14-15' at Bridgeport) -
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-29/sandys-state-state-impact-forecast (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-29/sandys-state-state-impact-forecast)
Where your people at JF? Hope they get inland!
They're all well inland(any I care about) there is one in the milford area who has got to be sweating bullets and not to mention his boat is still in the water which will be a major problem for him.
The parents and kids are all ready and waiting and should be OK but I still worry.
Glad to hear it. ::thumbsup::
Hope the dude in Milford has good insurance!
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Here in the Blue Ridge we are getting snow as the backside of the storm wraps in over the colder air that plunged down from Canada. Some areas are forecast to get over 2 feet. Highly unusual amount of snow for October.
That cold air is being sucked in to fill the vacuum left by Sandy as she passes north. Pretty impressive satellite action!
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/eaus/flash-wv.html (http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/eaus/flash-wv.html)
Zone A being evacuated per Mayor Doomberg, he might be a jackass, but he knows better to play it safe than risk being an idiot like Ray Nagin during Katrina.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-28/new-york-mayor-orders-evacuation-zone-residents (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-28/new-york-mayor-orders-evacuation-zone-residents)
ETA - State by state forecasts, looks like Connecticut (6-9') is the storm surge prom queen (as is the storm tide surge of 14-15' at Bridgeport) -
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-29/sandys-state-state-impact-forecast (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-29/sandys-state-state-impact-forecast)
Where your people at JF? Hope they get inland!
They're all well inland(any I care about) there is one in the milford area who has got to be sweating bullets and not to mention his boat is still in the water which will be a major problem for him.
The parents and kids are all ready and waiting and should be OK but I still worry.
Glad to hear it. ::thumbsup::
Hope the dude in Milford has good insurance!
He just got the boat a couple of months ago.
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Here in the Blue Ridge we are getting snow as the backside of the storm wraps in over the colder air that plunged down from Canada. Some areas are forecast to get over 2 feet. Highly unusual amount of snow for October.
That cold air is being sucked in to fill the vacuum left by Sandy as she passes north. Pretty impressive satellite action!
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/eaus/flash-wv.html (http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/eaus/flash-wv.html)
Zone A being evacuated per Mayor Doomberg, he might be a jackass, but he knows better to play it safe than risk being an idiot like Ray Nagin during Katrina.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-28/new-york-mayor-orders-evacuation-zone-residents (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-28/new-york-mayor-orders-evacuation-zone-residents)
ETA - State by state forecasts, looks like Connecticut (6-9') is the storm surge prom queen (as is the storm tide surge of 14-15' at Bridgeport) -
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-29/sandys-state-state-impact-forecast (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-29/sandys-state-state-impact-forecast)
Where your people at JF? Hope they get inland!
They're all well inland(any I care about) there is one in the milford area who has got to be sweating bullets and not to mention his boat is still in the water which will be a major problem for him.
The parents and kids are all ready and waiting and should be OK but I still worry.
Glad to hear it. ::thumbsup::
Hope the dude in Milford has good insurance!
He just got the boat a couple of months ago.
::facepalm:: DOH!
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My brother is on the coast on Connecticut. He's on a hill though about 2 miles from the water.
He works from home and is stocked up.
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Prayers for safety for him ... and all.
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If they'd only listened to AlGore and his warnings.
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"Emergency workers are at the scene of a crane that's dangling off a 65-story building in New York City.
According to CBS New York, the crane collapsed Monday afternoon at a building under construction on West 57th Street. No injuries are reported. However, streets have been cleared as a precaution.
The city has ordered people in neighboring buildings to move to lower floors. Streets have been cleared.
The call came in around 2:30 p.m. Monday. At the time, according to the National Weather Service, winds in Manhattan were blowing at about 20 mph with gusts up to about 40 mph.
The New York City Buildings Department suspended construction work at 5 p.m. Saturday in anticipation of the storm.
It reminded contractors and property owners to secure construction sites and buildings. It also was performing random inspections to make sure equipment was secured."
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57542164/crane-dangles-from-nyc-high-rise-as-hurricane-sandy-bears-down-on-city/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57542164/crane-dangles-from-nyc-high-rise-as-hurricane-sandy-bears-down-on-city/)
"The crane collapsed ...". Sheesh, these people know nothing. The boom busted loose; some idiot did not do his job "securing" equipment.
Did you know those things walk themselves up and down the buildings?
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At 11PM EST they aren't even trying to act as if they are standing against the force of nature. Sad. One was hoping it would go straight up the Potomac and tear down the walls.
Just a big fat rain storm.
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Looking at a 200+ picture slide show at TWC (http://www.weather.com/news/weather-hurricanes/hurricane-sandy-pictures-photos2-20121025) and a thought came to mind: If only this had come a year ago it would have completely solved the entire OWS issue. It woulda washed them hippies away but good. Pity. It's all about timing, you know.
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Looking at a 200+ picture slide show at TWC (http://www.weather.com/news/weather-hurricanes/hurricane-sandy-pictures-photos2-20121025) and a thought came to mind: If only this had come a year ago it would have completely solved the entire OWS issue. It woulda washed them hippies away but good. Pity. It's all about timing, you know.
Heh. Yeah, poor timing.
Some pics -
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-29/postcards-underwater-new-york (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-29/postcards-underwater-new-york)
670k w/o power -
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-29/670000-without-power-coned-says-repairs-could-take-week-interactive-status-map (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-29/670000-without-power-coned-says-repairs-could-take-week-interactive-status-map)
Jersey - 3 cities flooded due to possible (is it or isn't it?) levee break -
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/30/us-levee-moonachie-break-idUSBRE89T0L020121030 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/30/us-levee-moonachie-break-idUSBRE89T0L020121030)
On the asshat front we have:
1) CT Gov not letting a good crisis go to waste, extending in-person voter reg dealine through November 1st via executive order -
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/10/29/connecticut-officials-urge-residents-to-take-hurricane-sandy-seriously/ (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/10/29/connecticut-officials-urge-residents-to-take-hurricane-sandy-seriously/)
2) The Old Gray Hag says "Big storms require Big government"? Shocking, eh? So, true to form, let's use this storm to beat the shyt out of Mitt Romney!
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/30/opinion/a-big-storm-requires-big-government.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/30/opinion/a-big-storm-requires-big-government.html?_r=0)
Seriously, who reads any of this 3rd grader bed-wetting crybaby BS anyway? ::hysterical::
ETA - Being an old squid, pic #14 in Trap's link really made me wince. ::praying::
Pics 101 & 102 can be deleted! ::mooning::
The art work and message on #164 is pretty good! ::thumbsup::
Impressive rainbow on #206! ::thumbsup::
Wonder what the count is for lost surfers?
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"The crane collapsed ...". Sheesh, these people know nothing. The boom busted loose; some idiot did not do his job "securing" equipment.
I must admit I'm impressed with your knowledge of cranes, Pan. ::curtsy4::
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"The crane collapsed ...". Sheesh, these people know nothing. The boom busted loose; some idiot did not do his job "securing" equipment.
I must admit I'm impressed with your knowledge of cranes, Pan. ::curtsy4::
::curtsy4::
Gunsmith did some iron-working in NYC in his younger days. I picked his brain.
That crane is usually secured to the top of the building; *(this one's bolted to the open-work "tower" immediately adjacent which it "climbs", using hydraulics to move up and down.) Another tower-crane rig is going to have to be erected in order to get the busted one down now.
Smaller rigs are called derricks. They use the open framework of the building itself -- the skeleton -- to move up and down; it's called "jumping the crane".
Interesting, the brain that designed a piece of equipment like that for heavy lifting/manuevering that can also move/lift itself.
eta - *I just took another look at the pic.
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Just talked to Ma; power's been out since last night. My brother has none either. Sh!t.
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They in Jersey?
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They in Jersey?
Yes. North-central Jersey. SIL got through to the power company; they say restoral probable by Monday. Not good.
Tearing my hair out down here, pissed off, because nobody frickin LISTENS.
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They in Jersey?
Yes. North-central Jersey. SIL got through to the power company; they say restoral probable by Monday. Not good.
Tearing my hair out down here, pissed off, because nobody frickin LISTENS.
Yikes, people gotta learn to not take stuff for granted. Monday is a long time off. ::facepalm::
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I got lucky all my people were ready and waiting and the power never went out. Prayers for your people Pan keep us informed.
My brother inlaw came within two feet of losing the boat but he'll be out of power for at least a week at his condo. He's another one that knows it all.
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My brother lost power last night around 5 and got it back around 2:30 today.
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Hurricane formation points for the month of October from the years 1851 to 2007. Interesting.
http://maxmayfieldshurricaneblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/h-formation-pts-oct-1851-2007.jpg (http://maxmayfieldshurricaneblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/h-formation-pts-oct-1851-2007.jpg)
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Cuber sure seems like an attractant.
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Thoughts on the storm...
Wondering if the same snobby north east voices will be saying (as they always have in the past) that it's pretty stupid to locate expensive structures and stuff next to ocean shoreline where storms come in. My guess is they will be re-building in same spot.
On balance probably not such a smart idea to cut power to areas that might need storm sewer pumps to operate. I seem to remember that this was one of the big problems in New Orleans. Once the pumps got submerged there was no way to turn them back on since the motors themselves were also submerged and in some cases not waterproof.
This is going to be a pretty damned expensive storm to recover from. And not because it was a particularly nasty storm but rather that it hit such a densely populated area.
Maybe not such a good idea to have tunnels located so close to waterways. I'm thinking they are going to be closed for a while. Even after they get the water pumped out they will have to inspect and repair them before they can be safely reopened.
The whole "boardwalk next to ocean" concept should probably be reconsidered. I'm guessing that thousands of pieces of heavy lumber flying through the air and harpooning anything in their path is totally no fun to be around.
Anyone think that there is the slightest possibility that the authorities might decide to one day relocate electric utilities underground in areas subject to high winds? No, me neither. It's way more fun spending weeks and zillions of dollars putting things back the way they were. You know, there's just nothing like having no electricity with winter weather days away. Oh, well maybe there is...I think it's called camping. Or cave dwelling.
UK Daily Mail has fairly awesome picture collection here. (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2225108/Hurricane-Sandy-2012-Obama-declares-major-disaster-New-York-39-people-die-Superstorm.html)
Lots of people thought that life in New York and New Jersey really sucked and there is no way that it could possibly be worse. They were wrong.
I am really glad that I live in Colorado. Of course, we have forest fires and they really suck, too. So that's life, eh?
Waiting for Algore's press conference about the carbon footprint for all this sh*t. Hoping that New Yorkers tar and feather him.
Wondering how many of those people who thought that planting lots and lots of trees all over Manhattan are now thinking that maybe shrubs would have been better.
"But, it's natural." That's what the northeast eco-nuts say when one of our national forests catches on fire. "It's nature...don't try and put it out...let it run it's course and oh, yeah, tough luck if any houses get burned down...you shouldn't be building where fires occur. After all, it's natural."
Just guessing but I'd be willing to wager that less than 10% of affected properties carry flood insurance. Also guessing that, as usual, they will get paid off anyway. Flood insurance is for suckers when the stupid demographic always gets bailed out by the politicians.
I wonder how the illicit drug trade in these areas will be affected? How many heroin junkies are in serious trouble in the next day or two?
Also wondering how many people in this government paradise will be rethinking their opposition to gun ownership? I wouldn't want to be there unless I was heavily armed. But that's me.
Heck, I'm wondering how many people in that burned out neighborhood in Queens had fire insurance?
One thing is for sure...a lot of people are going to be forgetting how bad the NY Jets are this year.
Hey, what a great time for a garbage worker's strike!
Locating trains underground is not looking like such a great idea in retrospect. I have no idea how long it's going to take to get all that water pumped out but I will bet that all those tunnels will have a heck of a unique smell for a long time.
I wonder if they have black mold in the northeast like they do in the south? I'm guessing they do. I'm also guessing that the insurance companies wrote that out of all the policies there like they did in the south. That's gonna be fun.
Looking on the bright side...not as much of a threat for mosquitos with winter coming on. And hey, maybe a lot of vermin got drowned. I heard that raccoons were becoming a real problem in NY. Of course, raccoons are pretty smart so they probably all survived and are probably feasting on the trash and debris.
Actually, there's not much of a bright side to this. These people are pretty much hosed.
And I really am wondering just what this will do to voting. Will a LOT of people just not bother with it? Maybe. Still don't think it will affect the outcome, though.
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The mother of all Hurricane Sandy photo sites. (http://instacane.com)
Big. Will get bigger.
Or this (http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/sandy) is.
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trap, I disagree with many of your points, too many to itemize. Let me just say that you are overreacting. I grew up on the southeast Virginia coast, the Norfolk/Va Beach area (and only a couple of hundred miles north of Cape Hatteras). We had hurricanes hit, though never a cat 4 or 5, but mostly lower category hurricanes or strong tropical storms. In a flat area, it doesn't matter what you do, there is simply no place for all that water to go (sometimes for a long while and sometimes for forever [until the next late season superstorm comes barrelling through]; the isthmus in northwest Norfolk, Willoughby Spit, was created by a hurricane three hundred or so years ago, now with a thriving population as in some places it's over a mile wide /!). You have to understand hurricanes, and hurricane season, to understand how rare this type of storm is.
First off, it's real late in the season for a hurricane to be crawling up the Atlantic coastline as the water turns noticeably cooler rather quick, and these babies do not like cold water. Still, Sandy was a massive hurricane in size, though with only Cat 1 winds, a godsend. Now I've been watching hurricanes for a long time, getting serious for the rest of my life with Camille, that Cat 5 Grand Dame, but more about her later. Even being late in the season, this hurricane did that true rarity: It zigzagged. Most hurricanes curl and curve until slamming into land. This girl skimmed past Cape Hatteras well out to sea. Now if there was not this low system coming down from Canada, and a stalled high toward New England and the North Atlantic, Sandy would have been a nothing burger. Hurricanes take the path of least resistance. She started out looking like she'd sail away into oblivion like many hurricanes do. But that zigging out into the North Atlantic was blocked, so she zagged. She zagged as that large Canadian low sucked her in, combining her rains with the front's cold creating those huge blizzard totals in the WV/MD mountains, again a rarity for this time of year (these aren't the Rockies, they don't go that high). Sandy found a convenient body of water to follow in her run toward that cold front, The Delaware Bay. The friggin' Delaware Bay! Again, hurricanes rarely get this far north as their are much more interesting and friendly targets south of here. But nature happens. There were three fronts that combined at a point in time. There's not a whole lot you can do, no matter if it happens near a coast or in the mountains or on the plains.
With Sandy, the main problem is the storm surge coupled with full moon high tides (another of those little things that make a big whole) creating lakes where they shouldn't be. The land is flat on the east coast, until you get into the rocky glacier coast of New England. Being so flat, the flooding can be devastating for miles inland. If there are heavy rains, so much the worse. And then the wind. We need trees along the coast, so please, enough of that. The forests around NY have been thickly deciduous for quite some time and seem to thrive, even going so far as to make pretty leaves in the fall for the tourists. A thunderstorm can do some serious damage to trees, and there is much less warning. We don't do tornadoes here very often, but they are the same: They pop up out of nowhere. A hurricane is always a well-documented somewhere. It doesn't take a friggin' genius to know to leave low-lying areas when a storm like this is predicted to hit you, it doesn't matter how long it's been since one hit. Gov. Christie was right, and I would have added that those who stayed on the Jersey Shore were too stupid to breathe. Because of all the natural events that can occur, forest fire, earthquake, tornado, flooding, a hurricane you know is coming; you also know most times a blizzard is coming, but digging out of a blizzard and digging out of a hurricane are difficult only by their degree (pun intended), but a blizzrd does not have those high sustained winds of a hurricane. With a hurricane, you have days to get the f*ck out. Sure property will be destroyed, just as you say you have forest fires which also destroy property. But for some reason, and this I cannot explain even as I grew up around these formerly ladies only blowhards, people like to have 'ride out the hurricane' parties. Don't ask me why, I really don't know. But it wouldn't matter if Virginia Beach was built with nothing more than two stories and shrubs, once a 15 to 20 foot storm surge hits with the high tide, there is simply nothing you can do -- for miles inland.
Now back to Camille for a second. This was the grandmomma of a hurricane from my youth. 1969. Gulf Coast. Cat 5. 150 mile an hour sustained winds. She slammed into the Gulf Coast, Alabama/Mississippi. (Wiki: Camille and unofficially the Labor Day Hurricane were the only Atlantic hurricanes to exhibit recorded sustained wind speeds of at least 190 miles per hour (310 km/h) until Allen joined them in 1980, and remains the only confirmed Atlantic hurricane in recorded history to make landfall with wind speeds at or above such a level. The actual windspeed of Hurricane Camille will never be known, however, as it destroyed all of the wind recording instruments upon making landfall.) There was a condo there where the whoever they were decided to have a hurricane party and drink the storm away. Bad choice. Once the storm passed, that condo was only the foundation, and everybody died. Now while that was pretty spectacular in its own right, and became seared, seared in my memory, there was also the fact that while Camille did extensive coastal damage with all her charms, she went inland and quickly downgraded to a severe tropical bitch. She dumpled a ton of water in the mountainous KY/TN/WV/VA/NC area, starting points for many rivers. The flooding from Camille was severe. In fact, more people died inland from the flooding than along the coast from the direct effects of the hurricane. If you've ever driven I-95 south through Richmond, VA, as you leave the City proper, you cross the James River on a bridge that is well above the placid James. With Camile, the James River flooded, with the water lapping over that bridge. My brother bought the book, The Great James River Flood, and the photographs are mind-boggling. Camille hit the Gulf Coast, but a week later, Richmond was flooded like no time in its history. Richmond's about a hundred miles inland from the Atlantic coast. The city didn't get hit directly by Camille, Richmond got hit by the aftereffects, the incredibly heavy rain. Sh*t happens. Nowhere on a birth certificate does it say life is fair. I will add that nowhere does it say in the Constitution that if an idiot builds a house near the ocean and it gets damaged or destroyed multiple times, the government should create a program/handout for such stupidity. But people are gonna live where people are gonna live. I have family who could never leave the mountains of West Virginia. I have a hard time being away from the coast, missing that salty muskiness. I'm a coast guy, and on this coast we have hurricanes. On the left coast, they have California. Like I said, people are gonna live where people are gonna live. So all things considered, I'd rather have the threat of hurricanes than the reality of California.
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Can't be too bad, I hear only a $100B will put everything right, even at todays Ctrl-P deflated dollars that seems a bargain.
Time to see what people are made of, time to clean up and get the power back on.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20121030/DA2853183.html (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20121030/DA2853183.html)
Oh, y'all see that idiotic hermaphrodite AlGore, yeah, he balming humans again, says this is all due to globull warm'n!
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2012/oct/30/picket-al-gore-blames-hurricane-sandy-global-warmi/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2012/oct/30/picket-al-gore-blames-hurricane-sandy-global-warmi/)
What a dink-head! ::vafancoul::
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From trap's links. As we've postulated several times, this is to be expected ....
(http://distilleryimage7.instagram.com/4de21c8e237311e284a91231382040e4_7.jpg)
... and this, for which the image info wasn't available ...
" antsy-pants
Wow, I really underestimated the impact Sandy made to my town.
It’s really f**king scary. Trees are down everywhere, there are roads blocked up, not one gas station actually has gas, and everyone is pretty much out for themselves it feels like. I feel like we’re not far away from looting."
Maybe the first will wise up and get food ahead of time? The second will get gas ahead of time, because her "feels like" is on target? Naaaaaah.
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The helpless pleading with the hapless...
I suppose they don't listen to people like "us" because were, well, so judgemental, yeah know?! ::)
Ignorance and stupidity is lethal.
"...everyone is pretty much out for themselves it feels like. I feel like we’re not far away from looting."
I feel you are likely doomed.
::smallestviolin::
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Superstorm Sandy the was most horrible storm to ever hit the Atlantic coast. Superstorm Sandy is only a foreshadowing of similar storms to come. To secure the safety of Americans along the Atlantic coast it should be declared a weather hazard zone and dedicated as a national monument. All humans to be vacated and the area allowed to go back to nature; thus insuring the safety of citizens and giving the eastern seaboard a beautiful nature preserve for all to appreciate and love. We cannot leave our citizens to the whims and caprices of nature.
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The helpless pleading with the hapless...
I suppose they don't listen to people like "us" because were, well, so judgemental, yeah know?! ::)
Ignorance and stupidity is lethal.
"...everyone is pretty much out for themselves it feels like. I feel like we’re not far away from looting."
I feel you are likely doomed.
::smallestviolin::
::mooning::
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I share a little bit of trap's annoyance. I know this storm was bad, and even if there were no other factors just the extremely dense population of the northeast would make it -- to quote our illustrious Vice President -- a Big F'n Deal. So I'm not diminishing the very real mess people are dealing with. But there is something about that DC-to-Boston media echo chamber that just irritates much of the rest of the country. The southern Atlantic and Gulf states get pummeled by significantly more intense hurricanes rather often, but it's when one finally strays up to the northeast that it's somehow the planet's worst ever hurricane in history. I lived in Wilmington, NC in the late 90s and we had four hurricanes make direct strikes and two others make glancing hits. On two different occasions one hurricane followed another by only 2 weeks on almost identical tracks. Heck Floyd's flood waters were still standing in people's yards at Christmas time. There were millions of dead livestock floating in flood waters, and sewage ponds on hog farms all over the eastern part of the state spilled out into the creeks and rivers.
So yeah, hurricanes are dangerous and deadly at worst, and a significant PITA at best. I'm sure people in the Midwest would say the same about their Spring tornadoes, and people in the West would say the same about their forest fires and mudslides and earthquakes. Those things don't become Armageddon just because of a certain zip code.
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I share a little bit of trap's annoyance. I know this storm was bad, and even if there were no other factors just the extremely dense population of the northeast would make it -- to quote our illustrious Vice President -- a Big F'n Deal. So I'm not diminishing the very real mess people are dealing with. But there is something about that DC-to-Boston media echo chamber that just irritates much of the rest of the country. The southern Atlantic and Gulf states get pummeled by significantly more intense hurricanes rather often, but it's when one finally strays up to the northeast that it's somehow the planet's worst ever hurricane in history. I lived in Wilmington, NC in the late 90s and we had four hurricanes make direct strikes and two others make glancing hits. On two different occasions one hurricane followed another by only 2 weeks on almost identical tracks. Heck Floyd's flood waters were still standing in people's yards at Christmas time. There were millions of dead livestock floating in flood waters, and sewage ponds on hog farms all over the eastern part of the state spilled out into the creeks and rivers.
So yeah, hurricanes are dangerous and deadly at worst, and a significant PITA at best. I'm sure people in the Midwest would say the same about their Spring tornadoes, and people in the West would say the same about their forest fires and mudslides and earthquakes. Those things don't become Armageddon just because of a certain zip code.
Yup.
The other factor at work is when something happens in the real world (not just fly-over land) it gets a double-dose of hype and importance. To the large urban areas on our coasts, if a tornado wipes out a town in Kansas its just one of those things and really, it's just a bunch of redneck conservative racists taking a beating anyway, they probably deserve it, heck they may even be too stupid to know they shouldn't live there at all! Have anything happen on their promised land and all that gets flipped on its head.
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Looters target Coney Island...I guess the cops didn't get the Krugman memo about this storm being a stimulus opportunity...
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn/looters-target-coney-island-sandy-article-1.1195080 (http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn/looters-target-coney-island-sandy-article-1.1195080)
Menawhile in the birthplace of the Chairman of the Board (RatPack) people be gettin' testy, they want supplies and food!
http://news.yahoo.com/tempers-flare-nj-city-where-thousands-stranded-171518266.html (http://news.yahoo.com/tempers-flare-nj-city-where-thousands-stranded-171518266.html)
Yeah, way to prepare people. See what dependency gets ya? Well, maybe you don't...
You know in my neck of the woods people prepare and help each other out, I guess that's not how things work in the real world...
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Yeah, way to prepare people. See what dependency gets ya? Well, maybe you don't...
I suspect part of the problem is these people don't know how to take care of themselves besides the fact they weren't prepared.
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Yeah, way to prepare people. See what dependency gets ya? Well, maybe you don't...
I suspect part of the problem is these people don't know how to take care of themselves besides the fact they weren't prepared.
Species in decline... ::facepalm::
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State troopers deployed as tensions boil at gas stations in Sandy's wake (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/11/01/tensions-boil-over-at-gas-stations-as-pumps-run-dry-in-wake-sandy/)
“You see the worst in people at a time like this,” he said.
Funny, it's times like that you see the best of people, in my part of the country. Must suck to live in a leftist s**tole.
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State troopers deployed as tensions boil at gas stations in Sandy's wake (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/11/01/tensions-boil-over-at-gas-stations-as-pumps-run-dry-in-wake-sandy/)
“You see the worst in people at a time like this,” he said.
Funny, it's times like that you see the best of people, in my part of the country. Must suck to live in a leftist s**tole.
Yup.
Oh, or as they say in the civilized urban areas "noam sain?"!
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Sandy has provided insight into the rather unique failure of modern electric car technology...apart from its financial inefficiency and industrial disease by products it's a swell deal...but water and lithium batteries don't play nice together -
http://updates.jalopnik.com/post/34669789863/more-than-a-dozen-fisker-karma-hybrids-caught-fire-and (http://updates.jalopnik.com/post/34669789863/more-than-a-dozen-fisker-karma-hybrids-caught-fire-and)
Drown & burn, the new priced-in option for the new-normal eco-tard vehicle!
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I'm surprised that they ddin't plan in advance to have trucks of gasoline ready to send in with all the advance warning that they had. Did they think that the gas stations had enuff gas for their needs? As far as no power, don't they use emergency generators to power the pumps?
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no one thought to fill up in advance?
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State troopers deployed as tensions boil at gas stations in Sandy's wake (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/11/01/tensions-boil-over-at-gas-stations-as-pumps-run-dry-in-wake-sandy/)
“You see the worst in people at a time like this,” he said.
Funny, it's times like that you see the best of people, in my part of the country. Must suck to live in a leftist s**tole.
This is a window into just what we've all been discussing here about what's gonna happen in cities and heavily populated towns with a large contingent of the entitlement-minded. And it's as sickening as I knew it would be; three more days of this and they'll be killing each other over five gallons of gas or a couple of "D" batteries.
They knew the storm was coming -- what with the weather-weenies, the drama queens, forecasting for at least a week previous -- and did nothing to prepare. One only has to be a half-sentient adult to siddown for a minute and work out, without brain-strain, the eventualities of wide-spread power failures and supply-chain dysfunction after a critical event. Weisshaupt I understand fully; those people I do not get. At all.
In other, more personal news, my brother's power came back on last evening -- neither of my parents would leave their cold house to go to his warm one. ::gaah:: But, their power came on today about 4pm, so I bit down on the ass-chewing I had planned for 'em.
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I'm surprised that they ddin't plan in advance to have trucks of gasoline ready to send in with all the advance warning that they had. Did they think that the gas stations had enuff gas for their needs? As far as no power, don't they use emergency generators to power the pumps?
I expect the larger concerns do have generators, which helps until the gas runs out. The small stations don't.
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http://www.nbcnewyork.com/video/# (http://www.nbcnewyork.com/video/#)!/on-air/as-seen-on/Sandy-Starved-New-Yorkers-Dumpster-Dive/176839571
Homes and businesses in the Lower East Side and East Village are still without power and under water. Residents began dumpster diving outside a Key Food supermarket Thursday, looking for whatever food they can take.
Unf'nbelievable.
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http://www.nbcnewyork.com/video/# (http://www.nbcnewyork.com/video/#)!/on-air/as-seen-on/Sandy-Starved-New-Yorkers-Dumpster-Dive/176839571
Homes and businesses in the Lower East Side and East Village are still without power and under water. Residents began dumpster diving outside a Key Food supermarket Thursday, looking for whatever food they can take.
Unf'nbelievable.
A Republican president would be getting blamed by now.
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I'm reading all these stories and I don't wish to sound insensitive (well......any more than usual ::) but my give~a~sh*t meter just ain't bangin. They knew it was coming. They knew it would be bad. They were told to prepare or get out.
Last winter we had a "once every 10,000 year" ice/snow storm. Somewhere around 20% of all of our tress were broken off by the weight of the ice. Millions of trees lost. 750k people without power in teen temperatures for 5-6 days. There was 8" of snow on top of a layer of ice that got topped by another inch of ice so even level streets were impassible for the first few days. And flat ground is definitely the exception around here.
I was one of only three neighbors who remained on my little corner of the world after the power went out. It was ever so slightly inconvenient cooking on the woodstove but other than that we survived in grand style. We had a days notice that it might be bad. Call it toot my own horn or whatever but that's what responsible people do.
You will never see my mug on the boob-toob bytchin about how unfair life is or what a sh!tty deal I got. I would be mortified to be some of the droobs I've been seeing.
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Right on.
How many days was the weatherman incessantly bleating that it would put the upper east coast under water then show the tracking chart, then the satellite images?
You don't have a stocked cupboard or a generator, bucko, What did Kinison say? SAMSONITE!
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Large urban areas are essentially human zoos. The inhabitants are completely dependent on the zookeepers providing food and water. Also like caged animals they start to develop neuroses not seen in nature. Ever see a lion pace aimlessly back and forth in a cage? That is unnatural behavior for a lion. It comes from being captive and unengaged in hunting. I think the same basic thing happens to humans in cities.
I'm sure the "anti-gouging" enforcement will be making a prominent show of itself. When demand is high and supply is low, nothing encourages more suppliers to enter the market quite like threatening them with draconian fines for making a profit on the endeavor.
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My family up north was ready to the hilt and even made sure the others were ready and had plans in place as to what to do if one needed help from the others,except my sister she was on her own.
They didn't need it because it went their way and the power never went out,but they did the right thing.Made me very proud of them after last years mess.They came around in a big way,
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But, but, but...
WIND POWER!
SOLAR!
GREEN ENERGY!
Who needs gasoline anymore? It's so last year.
And besides...carbon footprint...global warming.
Other thoughts:
So...if the rioting starts tomorrow or Saturday will there be enough fight left in the unwashed masses to have a fresh riot on Wednesday when President Downgrade is run out of office? Or will they be all rioted out?
I'm thinking that these pictures from NY and NJ are warming the hearts of the rednecks down south who know how to prepare for and ride out an emergency situation. I'm thinking that there are lots and lots of rednecks who are getting a good laugh at the expense of these city wimps.
There aren't any fist fights or riots where there are a majority of armed citizens. Instead everyone is very polite and helpful in the aftermath of a disaster.
I'm guessing that the cleanup and the restoration of civilization will take twice as long (maybe even three or four times as long) in these densely populated areas as it would take practically anywhere in the south.
Meanwhile we get to watch New Yorkers and NJers eat garbage on live tv.
I love the way that they bitch and moan about the Red Cross on day two of their little disaster. The people who are bitching the loudest are the irresponsible civic leaders (http://politicker.com/2012/11/staten-island-borough-president-dont-give-money-to-the-red-cross/) who should have had it under control by preparing for the disaster in the first place. Instead they think that their job is to yell really loud on behalf of their cattle. Blacks have civil rights leaders. White NYers have borough presidents. Equally pathetic.
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http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/11/non-union-alabama-utility-workers-denied-entry-into-new-jersey-told-to-stand-down-video/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/11/non-union-alabama-utility-workers-denied-entry-into-new-jersey-told-to-stand-down-video/)
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Like I said earlier, species in decline, it is what creates what G calls "human zoos". People KNEW this was coming, yet they didn't do sh*t to help themselves! The sick, the elderly, people who did prepare and then get preyed upon by escapees from the zoo, I'll have sympathy for them, as for the rest...
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I saw that union thingy too Pan, this is where libiots make things exponentially worse. Those folks from Alabama came to help, and you libiots turn them away? You're citizens should turn on you and rip you apart!
Look at these stories and tell me a Repub POTUS wouldn't be getting SLAUGHTERED by the MFM!
Rationing, lines, pissed off zoo animals fist-fighting and cops drawing guns -
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/01/reports-fistfights-guns-gas-stations-shortages-Sandy (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/01/reports-fistfights-guns-gas-stations-shortages-Sandy)
Generators for the media and the effing marathon ( ::speechless:: ::whatgives:: ::doublebird:: ) but not for people in need?! Oh, and marathon crowds displacing the newly homeless from the storm in motels and hotels, isn't that sweet?
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/this_is_no_way_to_get_us_up_running_egrMk4ukpzFCGhSF8oM5kN (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/this_is_no_way_to_get_us_up_running_egrMk4ukpzFCGhSF8oM5kN)
Looters dressed like ConEd workers -
http://voicerussia.com/radio_broadcast/61124198/93208978.html (http://voicerussia.com/radio_broadcast/61124198/93208978.html)
Staten Island overwhelmed, Bush would have sent in the Coast Guard, maybe even the navy...Obama just jerks off!
“This is America, not a third world nation. We need food, we need clothing,”
Sorry Jimbo, this is ObamAmerica, he wants it to be a third world nation you moron!
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/11/were-going-to-die-staten-island-residents-plead-for-help-3-days-after-sandy/ (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/11/were-going-to-die-staten-island-residents-plead-for-help-3-days-after-sandy/)
Dumpster diving, as previously discussed -
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/video/# (http://www.nbcnewyork.com/video/#)!/on-air/as-seen-on/Sandy-Starved-New-Yorkers-Dumpster-Dive/176839571
A Repub would be dead meat by now...
Oh, and Bloomie should be forced to resign over this marathon debacle!
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/11/02/bloomberg-defends-decision-to-hold-nyc-marathon-as-debate-rages-on/ (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/11/02/bloomberg-defends-decision-to-hold-nyc-marathon-as-debate-rages-on/)
I guess we can take to calling him Little Nero!
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Heck of a job, Stuttering Clusterfluke. ::doublebird::
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Might I suggest that now would be a great time for New York based JournoTrash to mock Mitt Romney for organizing a food drive?
::doublebird::
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No kidding. Welcome to the new normal...up is down, wrong is right... ::gaah:: ::mooning::
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Speaking of the crowds at the gas stations; my brother leases the bay portion (for his auto-repair business) from the owner of a local gas station. On Tuesday, there were "NO GAS" signs all over the pump portion of the place, but because there was activity in the repair section, people were ignoring the signs, crowding in the lot and demanding gas.
I was trying to talk to him on his cell and we were frequently interrupted by him telling these people, "No, sir; there is no gas -- SEE THE SIGN?", and then they proceeded to abuse him, as though it was his fault.
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Can't these people just scrape off some algae from all the pier pilings that have been washed ashore and cram that into their tanks? I mean, that's Obongo's solution for the entire nation's energy requirements after all.
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Can't these people just scrape off some algae from all the pier pilings that have been washed ashore and cram that into their tanks? I mean, that's Obongo's solution for the entire nation's energy requirements after all.
And for that matter....let them eat algae.
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Can't these people just scrape off some algae from all the pier pilings that have been washed ashore and cram that into their tanks? I mean, that's Obongo's solution for the entire nation's energy requirements after all.
A least pump up their tires.
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The help isn't coming fast enough. Obviously Obama doesn't care about the mostly white people in New York and New Jersey. He is still campaigning instead of dealing with the disaster. Obama is a racist and no one should vote for him.
Can you imagine the coverage if this had happened under a Republican?
And the liberals who are stranded, expecting the govt to fix it (within hours, not days, weeks or months-- there was a Dirty Jobs where Mike Rowwe was cleaning out Houses from Kartina a year later) learn nothing. Big Govt is good. It will save you. Its just the wrong people were in charge.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A6lMEjuCYAIzaoV.jpg)
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I barely remember Donna in 1960. I was four years old. My only memory is me riding on my brother's shoulders as we went next door to my best bud's house (well, my best bud at the time though Timmy moved shortly after). I have one of those repeating images of the wind and the rain and what fun it all was. After all, I was only four. But that one I heard talked about into my teens, mostly as a cautionary tale not to underestimate hurricanes. Like I said in another post, Norfolk didn't get hit too often. But when it did get hit, like in September, 1938, it gets hit. I can't find them now of course (thank you internet), but I remember photos in the paper as well as browsing some local history books showing an image of a person standing next to one of the 'downtown' buildings (something that might have been approaching maybe 7 stories) and the gentleman was pointing upward and 39 feet above him was a slash of paint on the brick wall highlighting the high water mark stain line. It was an incredible image, one that, again, made me cautious around these wild and woolly (formerly all) ladies. When you get hit with a 39' surge, there's simply not a whole lot you can do. Compared to the Cat 3 1938 unnamed hurricane, Donna being a Cat 2 was a piece of cake, the cake being relative. Of course, it matters where the eye hits, as shown by New Jersey with Sandy. NYC was a couple of hundred miles away from the eye and look at the storm surge here. Donna was more of a brush, but that 1938 one was a 'close enough for government work' hit. Even though it was twentysome years later, I still heard apocalyptic tales about that storm, both as an 'I survived' personal history and a warning. Like I also said earlier, once you get past the Chesapeake Bay, most hurricanes go out to sea, with the exceptions hitting land this far north. People are like dogs when it comes to hurricanes: They live in the moment and completely forget the past -- and have to be painfully reminded about the real dangers hurricanes create once again, not only with their direct impact, but the loss of normal services like electricity and water for quite some time. As you've all ably pointed out, most people do not prepare -- FOR ANYTHING -- lasting longer than a trip to the store for milk. But this far north, I'm sure it's been generations since anyone here remembers a hurricane hitting, if there's anybody here at all what with immigration into and emigration out of NJ. So there is probably no one old enough to remember such storms hitting the area, and even if there were, who'd listen to them today? The idiotic reporters standing in the blowing rain know better, after all, they haven't left. Total idiocy, but people live near the San Andreas Fault, too. As I also said earlier, what're you gonna do?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/1936_Atlantic_hurricane_13_track.png/150px-1936_Atlantic_hurricane_13_track.png)
TRACK OF
HURRICANE DONNA, 1960
(on the chart, you can see one of the dots right over the entrance to the Chesapeake Bay)
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FEMA's vaunted "lean forward" strategy that called for advanced staging of supplies for emergency distribution failed to live up to its billing in the immediate aftermath of Hurricane Sandy. (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/02/FEMA-Still-Doesn-t-Have-Bottled-Water-to-Distribute-Finally-Places-Large-Order-Today-for-Delivery-Monday)
In fact, the agency appears to have been completely unprepared to distribute bottled water to Hurricane Sandy victims when the storm hit this Monday. In contrast to its stated policy, FEMA failed to have any meaningful supplies of bottled water -- or any other supplies, for that matter -- stored in nearby facilities as it had proclaimed it would on its website. This was the case despite several days advance warning of the impending storm.
FEMA only began to solicit bids for vendors to provide bottled water for distribution to Hurricane Sandy victims on Friday, sending out a solicitation request for 2.3 million gallons of bottled water at the FedBizOpps.gov website. Bidding closed at 4:30 pm eastern.
Breitbart News spoke with contracting officer Annette Wright, who said that the winning vendor would be required to deliver the 2.3 million gallons of bottled water to an East Farmingdale, New York distribution center that was listed in the solicitation request by Monday, November 5th. Ms. Wright was unable to say when or how the water would be delivered from the distribution center to needy Hurricane Sandy victims in New Jersey, Staten Island, Long Island, and other boroughs of New York City. Vendors "are currently being evaluated," she said, and when the vendors are announced, they will provide information on how local distribution will occur.
They waited until almost a week AFTER the storm to open the bid for water, delaying procurement and distribution for yet ANOTHER three days? What a fustercluck! These people cannot do anything right.
Including ....
Chaos reigns at "free" gas fiasco (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/desperate_dash_for_free_fuel_l2MbJN8dRsSTYQW0lnsf0I)
Thousands of fuel-starved New Yorkers were able to get much needed gasoline from the government at no cost yesterday, but not without a high-octane fit of confusion and double talk from state and federal authorities.
The trouble-plagued giveaway began when Gov. Cuomo’s office announced in the morning that officials would try to ease the post-Sandy gas crisis by giving out free fuel to both “emergency vehicles and the general public.”
The gas was to be dispensed from trucks at five locations around the area — and throngs of desperate drivers showed up to fill their tanks.
But by the afternoon Cuomo spokeman Matt Wing rolled back the offer of free gas, announcing that fuel was intended for emergency vehicles first and foremost.
The change came after the US Department of Defense — which provided the gas in coordination with the National Guard — said the gas was only for first responders.
A Cuomo-administration source blamed the mix up on the military.
“They told us. We simply conveyed the information provided by them,” the source said. “We had nothing to do with the execution. We didn’t select the sites. It wasn’t our trucks. It wasn’t our people. It’s not our fault.”
The hallmark and slogan of every Democrat administration: "It's not our fault!"
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Then there's this:
http://nation.foxnews.com/bloomberg/2012/11/03/report-bloomberg-denied-national-guard-assistance-brooklyn-because-their-possession-guns?intcmp=fly#ixzz2BDXk6ys8 (http://nation.foxnews.com/bloomberg/2012/11/03/report-bloomberg-denied-national-guard-assistance-brooklyn-because-their-possession-guns?intcmp=fly#ixzz2BDXk6ys8)
"“We don’t need it,” Mayor Bloomberg said on Wednesday during a press update on the city’s ongoing Hurricane Sandy cleanup. “The NYPD is the only people we want on the street with guns.”"
Yet, it was the National Guard dispensing "free" gas in Brooklyn, Queens, Staten Island and Freeport, LI, according to the previous article. Besides, isn't it up to the Governor, not NYC's Mayor, to decide this issue?
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On Monday night Superstorm Sandy left the armory of the New York Army National Guard’s 69th Infantry Regiment without power. (http://reason.com/blog/2012/11/02/victoria-secret-helps-out-the-national-g)
Thankfully Victoria’s Secret was in town for an event at the Regiment’s armory, and had brought in huge generators. The National Guard reached out for help from the producers of the show. Power was restored hours later:
For the show, the producers had hauled in eight massive 500 kilowatt generators. Of course, the producers said, we’d be happy to help. Hours later, the lights flashed back on.
“We were dead in the water until Victoria’s Secret showed up,” says Capt. Brendan Gendron, the Regiment’s operations officer.
... The troops also needed help distributing food. The Federal Emergency Management Agency had begun bringing tractor-trailers’ worth of emergency provisions to the armory. It was up to the troops to break up the pallets, load them in military trucks, and bring them to the seven distribution centers in Manhattan where the Salvation Army would hand out meals to Hurricane victims. One problem: the 69th didn’t have a fork lift. So again, they turned to the Victoria’s Secret crew.
I'm quite surprised the Guard Armory had no generator and no forklift. You'd *think* ...........
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Considering the NYPD's recent track record with shooting incidents, I'm not sure the National Guard is who the Mayor For Life should be worried about.
And what is up with this free fuel? I have never seen or heard of that happening in any other hurricanes. I lived through Hugo in '89, which moved inland at unusually high speed. This meant it was still hurricane strength even 200 miles inland. It made an absolute unprecedented mess of Charlotte. Schools were closed for 2-3 weeks, we had no power for over 2 weeks, and there was definitely no free gas giveaways from the gubmint.
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Considering the NYPD's recent track record with shooting incidents, I'm not sure the National Guard is who the Mayor For Life should be worried about.
And what is up with this free fuel? I have never seen or heard of that happening in any other hurricanes. I lived through Hugo in '89, which moved inland at unusually high speed. This meant it was still hurricane strength even 200 miles inland. It made an absolute unprecedented mess of Charlotte. Schools were closed for 2-3 weeks, we had no power for over 2 weeks, and there was definitely no free gas giveaways from the gubmint.
I suspect Cuomo screwed the pooch on the gas announcement; he either didn't listen or understand that the "free" gas wasn't intended for the civilians, but for the first responders.
Neither here nor there, really; I heard it yesterday, on the "news", that "the Feds" aka as FEMA will be picking up the tab for everything, including refunding whatever money the MTA didn't collect because mass transit wasn't operational.
How generous they are with our money.
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Walk to the light, put on your shoes and walk to the light.
(http://images.nymag.com/nymag/letters/nymagcvr121105_710.jpg)
http://nymag.com/nymag/letters/hurricane-sandy-editors-letter-2012-11/?mid=twitter_dailyintel (http://nymag.com/nymag/letters/hurricane-sandy-editors-letter-2012-11/?mid=twitter_dailyintel)
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Walk to the light, put on your shoes and walk to the light.
(http://images.nymag.com/nymag/letters/nymagcvr121105_710.jpg)
http://nymag.com/nymag/letters/hurricane-sandy-editors-letter-2012-11/?mid=twitter_dailyintel (http://nymag.com/nymag/letters/hurricane-sandy-editors-letter-2012-11/?mid=twitter_dailyintel)
Reminds one of this picture, does it not?
(http://www.mtholyoke.edu/~smith22n/classweb/NorthKoreaDPRK/north%20korea%20satellite.jpg)
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Large urban areas are essentially human zoos. The inhabitants are completely dependent on the zookeepers providing food and water. Also like caged animals they start to develop neuroses not seen in nature. Ever see a lion pace aimlessly back and forth in a cage? That is unnatural behavior for a lion. It comes from being captive and unengaged in hunting. I think the same basic thing happens to humans in cities.
I'm sure the "anti-gouging" enforcement will be making a prominent show of itself. When demand is high and supply is low, nothing encourages more suppliers to enter the market quite like threatening them with draconian fines for making a profit on the endeavor.
Right on schedule.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I293Ci7FddI
http://moonbattery.com/?p=20394 (http://moonbattery.com/?p=20394)
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These people are dying for water up there. Whaddaya think it would cost for me to rent a truck, buy water and load it up, pay for the gas fill-up and a half, and drive, hell-bent for leather, up there? Then, they're gonna scream about what I'm charging for water, figuring my expenses?
Same goes for ice, batteries and food.
f**k 'em and their "anti-gouging" laws.
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Oh yeah. Even though the opportunity for you to make money is the very thing that would solve one of their most pressing needs (water), you would be the villain rather than the inept, top-heavy government that has proven time and again people's faith in it is misplaced.
This really gets back to a fundamental ignorance of basic economics, and you can thank the education system for quite deliberately maleducating people on this. In a disaster area they see someone selling bags of ice for $10 and all they can do is act like these are the new money changers in the temple. It never occurs to them that we only have one meaningful way of mediating between supply and demand, and it's called price. It also never occurs to them that, while $10 is an awful lot of money for a bag of ice under normal conditions, it is in fact the very thing that motivates more suppliers to enter the market. Price also works pretty well at separating buyers according to need. Someone who needs ice to keep their insulin cold is probably more willing to pay the extra cost than someone who simply wants to keep milk and eggs from going bad.
They will never, ever understand any of this though.
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You had it right earlier G, inmates of the Human Zoo cannot think even one day ahead, they just riot and blame others for their misfortune...which apparently includes the ability to think like a real human being.
Hard to work up a lot of sympathy.
Then they turn away help because ::speechless:: they're from a right-to-work state.
Insanity.
And look at all those storms that raged during the Eisenhower years...didn't hear anybody blaming Ike back then. But of course back then people understood acts of God, preparing, and looking out for your family and neighbor...once the Great Society sh*t kicked in, it's all Uncle Sam's responsibility now...I can be a stupid lazy moron!
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Species in decline, led by the Human Zoos and their (cough) caretakers...
::gaah::
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One more thing that makes this hurricane different from those which hit Florida or Texas or the Gulf coast: The temperature. I don't know about anybody else, but I've never heard of temps a week after a hurricane hit dropping to the upper 30s and highs in the mid to upper 40s. Normally a hurricane is a warm weather event, but this sucker got sucked in by a cold front that is now threatening even more low temps combined with more severe weather (wind and rain in the City area and snow in the northern 'burbs). Even warm salt water is uncomfortable after a lengthy time as the water's colder than the temps. People in normal hurricanes can get to work cleaning things up in their shorts and t's, but not so here. It is friggin' cold, and the hurricane hit over 1 week ago (1 week later this evening). Not excusing the morons who either didn't prepare of evacuate or both, but this severe cold after a hurricane is a new phenomenon to me.
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It does happen with late season hurricanes that drift that far north. The counter-clockwise spin of the hurricane drags cold air down on its western side. It's what gave us 20 inches of snow in the southern Appalachians.
This storm was really more like a large Noreaster than a hurricane -- slow moving, weak winds (by hurricane standards) but very widespread. I think the affected area was also hurt by the fact that they are not used to hurricanes and large storm surge. Down south you don't see so much stuff built right at the high water line on the beach because we get hurricanes often enough that any such construction would have been washed away a long time ago.
I just wish people could learn something about their predicament. They should see just how critically important oil is, and it should be painfully obvious that there is nothing even close to being a viable replacement for it. I would also hope that someone in New Jersey sitting in the cold and dark for a week would be furious over the behavior of unionized utility workers attacking out of state linemen who came a thousand miles to try and help get the power back on as soon as possible. But you know what, they won't. The union stranglehold of the northeastern economy will not change one iota, nor will their voting habits.
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And maybe they'll learn a lesson by watching regulations eased to move product. Think they could understand it is the overburdening regulations which cause thier unprepared asses to wait longer for life sustaining oil(power) and water?
Who am I kidding.
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And maybe they'll learn a lesson by watching regulations eased to move product. Think they could understand it is the overburdening regulations which cause thier unprepared asses to wait longer for life sustaining oil(power) and water?
Who am I kidding.
Kills ya, doesn't it. They've got Obongo throwing himself under the bus by averring he's going to cut the red-tape regulations getting in the way -- that he and his ilk are responsible for.
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WalMart/Lowes/Home Depot:
5 gal water container w/water $10.00
Two-burner propane stove: $50.00,
propane heater: $40.00
propane bottles:$04.00
Canned food: Campbells soup, Dinty Moore stew, Hormel corned beef hash, canned tuna, crackers, chips, bean dip, bread, shoe string potatoes.
There are a number of people that were blistered and no amount of preparation would have helped, I feel sorry for them and pray for them.
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WalMart/Lowes/Home Depot:
5 gal water container w/water $10.00
Two-burner propane stove: $50.00,
propane heater: $40.00
propane bottles:$04.00
Canned food: Campbells soup, Dinty Moore stew, Hormel corned beef hash, canned tuna, crackers, chips, bean dip, bread, shoe string potatoes.
There are a number of people that were blistered and no amount of preparation would have helped, I feel sorry for them and pray for them.
You're right about the "blistered" ones; they'd have lost their preps as well.
CO, in case you didn't know, there's something called a "propane tree" with multiple hook-ups for different items.
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...there's something called a "propane tree" with multiple hook-ups for different items.
That's useful information. I didn't know such a thing existed, although I suppose it's common sense.
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Don't worry. The government money tree will soon be there.
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...there's something called a "propane tree" with multiple hook-ups for different items.
That's useful information. I didn't know such a thing existed, although I suppose it's common sense.
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Coleman-Distribution-Tree-2-Piece/13848693#ProductDetail (http://www.walmart.com/ip/Coleman-Distribution-Tree-2-Piece/13848693#ProductDetail)
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You had it right earlier G, inmates of the Human Zoo cannot think even one day ahead, they just riot and blame others for their misfortune...which apparently includes the ability to think like a real human being.
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Species in decline, led by the Human Zoos and their (cough) caretakers...
::gaah::
This is a sort of long read, but a great explanation of the psychosocial dynamics at work in these human zoos, particularly the ones that are self-conscious efforts at utopianism. It demonstrates that there is a mathematical certainty to the abrupt decline of such societies, even when they continue to have adequate access to food and other resources.
http://www.cabinetmagazine.org/issues/42/wiles.php (http://www.cabinetmagazine.org/issues/42/wiles.php)
Excerpt:
How do you design a utopia? In 1972, John B. Calhoun detailed the specifications of his Mortality-Inhibiting Environment for Mice: a practical utopia built in the laboratory. Every aspect of Universe 25—as this particular model was called—was pitched to cater for the well-being of its rodent residents and increase their lifespan. The Universe took the form of a tank, 101 inches square, enclosed by walls 54 inches high. The first 37 inches of wall was structured so the mice could climb up, but they were prevented from escaping by 17 inches of bare wall above. Each wall had sixteen vertical mesh tunnels—call them stairwells—soldered to it. Four horizontal corridors opened off each stairwell, each leading to four nesting boxes. That means 256 boxes in total, each capable of housing fifteen mice. There was abundant clean food, water, and nesting material. The Universe was cleaned every four to eight weeks. There were no predators, the temperature was kept at a steady 68°F, and the mice were a disease-free elite selected from the National Institutes of Health’s breeding colony. Heaven.
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So what exactly happened in Universe 25? Past day 315, population growth slowed. More than six hundred mice now lived in Universe 25, constantly rubbing shoulders on their way up and down the stairwells to eat, drink, and sleep. Mice found themselves born into a world that was more crowded every day, and there were far more mice than meaningful social roles. With more and more peers to defend against, males found it difficult and stressful to defend their territory, so they abandoned the activity. Normal social discourse within the mouse community broke down, and with it the ability of mice to form social bonds. The failures and dropouts congregated in large groups in the middle of the enclosure, their listless withdrawal occasionally interrupted by spasms and waves of pointless violence. The victims of these random attacks became attackers. Left on their own in nests subject to invasion, nursing females attacked their own young. Procreation slumped, infant abandonment and mortality soared. Lone females retreated to isolated nesting boxes on penthouse levels. Other males, a group Calhoun termed “the beautiful ones,” never sought sex and never fought—they just ate, slept, and groomed, wrapped in narcissistic introspection. Elsewhere, cannibalism, pansexualism, and violence became endemic. Mouse society had collapsed.
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On day 560, a little more than eighteen months into the experiment, the population peaked at 2,200 mice and its growth ceased. A few mice survived past weaning until day six hundred, after which there were few pregnancies and no surviving young. As the population had ceased to regenerate itself, its path to extinction was clear. There would be no recovery, not even after numbers had dwindled back to those of the heady early days of the Universe. The mice had lost the capacity to rebuild their numbers—many of the mice that could still conceive, such as the “beautiful ones” and their secluded singleton female counterparts, had lost the social ability to do so. In a way, the creatures had ceased to be mice long before their death—a “first death,” as Calhoun put it, ruining their spirit and their society as thoroughly as the later “second death” of the physical body.
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OMG, is it bad of me to have read that and laughed my ass off while doing so?! Maybe its the election result making me sensitive to the data, but damn, this just floored me!
"Mouse society had collapsed"!
::laughonfloor::
So there is a happy ending to manufactured utopia?!
::whoohoo::
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OMG, is it bad of me to have read that and laughed my ass off while doing so?! Maybe its the election result making me sensitive to the data, but damn, this just floored me!
"Mouse society had collapsed"!
::laughonfloor::
So there is a happy ending to manufactured utopia?!
::whoohoo::
The only difference I see between the mice and our cities is we pay our mice to re produce.
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Maybe we should pay them more.
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Maybe we should pay them more.
Govt cheese
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Reminds me of one of my new favorite sayings: "Free cheese is found only in mouse traps"
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Reminds me of one of my new favorite sayings: "Free cheese is found only in mouse traps"
Problem is after the capture the follow through is lacking...instead of keeping them quartered, fed and alive...
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Howz that Carter styled gas rationing going, b**tches. ::hysterical::
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Howz that Carter styled gas rationing going, b**tches. ::hysterical::
They must love it.Bloomberg won't let the national guard in to help because the carry guns.Welcome to the new world order.
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I've also heard no food can be distributed because the fat content can't be checked. No kidding. Why worry about fat content when half of America have fat, blubber filled heads.
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Yes Dearie, we understand you're starving to death but we can't go messin up your cholesterol, can we?
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More dead bodies...very little reporting...Obama gets more free passes...
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/11/more-dead-bodies-discovered-in-sandys-wake-media-yawns/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/11/more-dead-bodies-discovered-in-sandys-wake-media-yawns/)
Being a democrat is gutless and easy...it's all the rage, ya know?!
::puke:: ::mooning:: ::doublebird::
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More dead bodies...very little reporting...Obama gets more free passes...
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/11/more-dead-bodies-discovered-in-sandys-wake-media-yawns/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/11/more-dead-bodies-discovered-in-sandys-wake-media-yawns/)
Being a democrat is gutless and easy...it's all the rage, ya know?!
::puke:: ::mooning:: ::doublebird::
And Napolitano gets the same pass.
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More dead bodies...very little reporting...Obama gets more free passes...
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/11/more-dead-bodies-discovered-in-sandys-wake-media-yawns/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/11/more-dead-bodies-discovered-in-sandys-wake-media-yawns/)
Being a democrat is gutless and easy...it's all the rage, ya know?!
::puke:: ::mooning:: ::doublebird::
And Napolitano gets the same pass.
Yeah, almost forgot about her and her merry band of demented bull-dykes!
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Gunsmith tells me he saw on piece this morning, on Fox News, about a county/town that recruited former utility workers to break into a power/sub station at their location and they restored the power on their own. Damned if I can find it, though.
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Gunsmith tells me he saw on piece this morning, on Fox News, about a county/town that recruited former utility workers to break into a power/sub station at their location and they restored the power on their own. Damned if I can find it, though.
If true, the punishment will be severe, and not reported by the MFM...hmm, perhaps that is why any story on it is already crushed...
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Gunsmith tells me he saw on piece this morning, on Fox News, about a county/town that recruited former utility workers to break into a power/sub station at their location and they restored the power on their own. Damned if I can find it, though.
What they did was get the info directly to the crews without going through channels which started getting results instantly. So bypassing the government works everytime.
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Gunsmith tells me he saw on piece this morning, on Fox News, about a county/town that recruited former utility workers to break into a power/sub station at their location and they restored the power on their own. Damned if I can find it, though.
What they did was get the info directly to the crews without going through channels which started getting results instantly. So bypassing the government works everytime.
So THAT'S why the LSM didn't pick up the story!
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Or this story either, from the comments (http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/13/sandy-katrina-on-the-hudson/comment-page-1/#comment-6507257) at HotAir:
"I’m in Belmar, NJ and we were absolutely devastated by the storm. I cannot say with certainty, but I would guess that at least 80% of the homes sustained major damage, most due to flooding, and a fair number of them will have to be demolished.
That said, I have never been prouder of my town and its people. A veritable army of volunteers have been working non-stop from Day-1, organized by our mayor and council. Volunteers evacuated over 200 homes, most by kayak, and then brought those same people back a day or so later to get important papers, pictures, etc.
Every day, we get a telephone briefing from the mayor via cell phone, and for those without service, volunteers go door to door (every day!) with a flyer containing the same information: status reports, how to get help, etc. We have set up a relief center at borough hall where you can get food, clothing, blankets, cleaning supplies, baby items, pet items, etc. They drive around with a truck full of ice for those without generators who are keeping food in coolers. Basements are emptied of debris (we have mountains of it) and pumped out for free by volunteers. Hot meals are available at borough hall from 9-5 each day, and four restaurants in town have been providing free food all day, every day. The two drugstores in town are providing prescription refills without charge for now (pay later when things settle down.) If you have no way to get to borough hall, the volunteers will bring you there and back. During the first week, neighbors shared power from generators, gasoline, and meals (meat intensive the first few days!)
There were a few looters the first day, so the mayor quickly set a curfew from 6pm to 6am, and set up barricades around the town…no admittance except to residents. If someone was coming to see you or to work for you, they were escorted to your home. Day-2 we had the National Guard, NJ State Police and by Day-3 the Georgia State Police arrived along with an army of utility workers from Tennessee and South Carolina! (God bless all of them.) We had 18 giant pumps (some of which were used for Katrina) emptying water from the town into the ocean, and by the end of the first week, all our roads were cleared of sand and debris, the damaged boardwalk (what was left of it) had been removed, as well as all the structures (pavilions, bathrooms, restaurants, etc.) that once stood there. The progress has been breathtaking. Our curfew was lifted today, and the mayor’s final briefing also informed us that Ocean Avenue will be closed to all traffic for the next few months so that the new boardwalk can be completed before spring. I have no doubt it will be done.
Our mayor, Matt Doherty, is a Regan-type democrat. We’re in Monmouth County which, along with Ocean County to our south, has voted Republican in at least the last three presidentials.
IrishEi on November 13, 2012 at 6:28 PM"
This is how it gets done.
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Ms. Giangeruso, who notes that last year, after the “Snowtober storm” on Halloween, her house was powerless for six days. “If we are talking in the neighborhood of $6,000, it is worth every dollar. If I could get it right now, I’d write a check,” she says. “The wives in this area don’t want jewelry for Christmas. They want generators.”
"Ms." Giangeruso lives in Glen Ridge (northern), NJ.
And, yep, that was me; the day after Hurricane Fran, when Gunsmith came home with the first portable, it was worth more to me than a bucket of diamonds.
Interesting general information and on where many generators are made (WI).
http://www.cnbc.com/id/49774891 (http://www.cnbc.com/id/49774891)
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Generac & Kohler - ::thumbsup::
Briggs & Stratton - meh, some like 'em though.
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Generac & Kohler - ::thumbsup::
Briggs & Stratton - meh, some like 'em though.
The whole-house is a Generac (with a Mitzubishi engine). The portable is a General with a B&G engine and has worked well.
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Generac & Kohler - ::thumbsup::
Briggs & Stratton - meh, some like 'em though.
The whole-house is a Generac (with a Mitzubishi engine). The portable is a General with a B&G engine and has worked well.
Yeah, knock on wood. I go off my BIL the contractors word, he's had dozens of 'em over the years, B&S not on his happy list. It is what it is.
May thy power always generate without fail! ::praying::
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Generac & Kohler - ::thumbsup::
Briggs & Stratton - meh, some like 'em though.
The whole-house is a Generac (with a Mitzubishi engine). The portable is a General with a B&G engine and has worked well.
Yeah, knock on wood. I go off my BIL the contractors word, he's had dozens of 'em over the years, B&S not on his happy list. It is what it is.
May thy power always generate without fail! ::praying::
Exactly, and Amen.
Oh, I made an error; it's a B&S (not B&G).
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I like B&S ok for light home use. No love for Tecumseh though. I don't think I've ever had one that ran smooth. For heavier use Kohler is definitely a solid engine. Also had good luck with Onan, Kawasaki, and Honda back in my commercial landscaping days.
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Honda overhead valves,B&S overhead valves,Kholer overhead valves. My first Generater is a 1996 and has never failed to run even when it meant day and night for a solid week.Winco 10kw with a 16 B&S overhead valves.But I do run everything on synthetic Motor oil.
The only one I'm suspect of is generac,some portables with plastic cooling blades breaking up my neighbor Has a generac 17000 kw whole house unit and the encloser box rotted away in under 5 tears and Generac could not care less the would do nothing for him and others he met with the same problem.They don't stand behind their stuff I don't do business with them and made it my business to let anyone know their attitude toward the consumer.
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I think Generac's in the smaller sizes are better, my BIL favors Kohler & Honda.
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Hey? Anobody know how that photo op with Obama is working out for that fat bastard Christie? Not well? Yeah, bet he didn't see that coming, eh?
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Gee, looks like Sandy is Obongo's Katrina ---
http://www.app.com/viewart/20121109/NJNEWS/311090027/Oceanport-sandy-shelter (http://www.app.com/viewart/20121109/NJNEWS/311090027/Oceanport-sandy-shelter)
http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/how-obamas-fema-criminally-botched-the-hurricane-recovery-effort/ (http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/how-obamas-fema-criminally-botched-the-hurricane-recovery-effort/)
http://forward.com/articles/166098/israelis-stunned-by-lack-of-help-for-sandy-victims/?p=1 (http://forward.com/articles/166098/israelis-stunned-by-lack-of-help-for-sandy-victims/?p=1)
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"Bush's" Katrina was a creation of the media and Democrats. Therefore there will be no Obama's Katrina.