It has long been the goal of HSUS and PETA to "capture" California and to mandate veganism through carefully worded and placed state laws. The "capture" of California would be the crown jewel of their animal rights movement knowing that as goes California, so goes the nation. To this end, HSUS has ushered forth SB 917 and AB 1117. SB 917 will legally redefine the term "animal cruelty" with purposefully overbroad and poorly defined law to include the transportation, display, and all sales of animals on public property.
Think carefully about that. This would mean that if you walk your dog or if your cat suns herself in your front yard you are, by the strictest interpretation of this law, "displaying" an animal and are guilty of "animal cruelty," which will be a misdemeanor replete with arrest, jail time, seizure of your animal, and punitive fines. If you transport rabbits to a show or take your dog to the vet you would, according to SB 917, be committing an act of animal cruelty. If your child gives away kittens in front of Walmart, she will instantly become a criminal in doing so.
AB 1117 further expands the scope and reach of SB 917 by mandating seizure of all animals in one's possession if a single act of "animal cruelty" has occurred (see SB 917). Heavy fines and "upkeep" fees are then levied against the owner for each animal seized. AB 1117 allows for the killing or other disposition of seized animals before the accused can prove innocence in court.* This bill allows for the destruction of evidence and the theft of real property under the color of law.
Furthermore, if the accusation is founded (remember all evidence has been destroyed or disposed of) then the accused will not be allowed to own any animal again for 5 years. All other people living with the accused are bound by the same mandate. It does not take a lot of imagination to figure out how such bills might destroy all animal-based agriculture, pet breeding, and animal ownership in California.
AB 1117 allows for the killing or other disposition of seized animals before the accused can prove innocence in court.*
I agree, the coming election will prove whether we rule by the consent of the governed or not.
I agree. But everytime we touch on this topic it spins off into charges of being an alarmist, defeatist or we are premature in calling for it. I'd like to know when the right time is. You wait too long and a peaceful separation of the factions will be impossible. I fail to see what we gain with delay. The timing in my mind is the 2012 election. If Ruling Class pukes of all flavors are not purged from office and strict constitutionalists and economic conservatives are not replacing them any chance at restoration within the framework we have now is done.
I agree. But everytime we touch on this topic it spins off into charges of being an alarmist, defeatist or we are premature in calling for it. I'd like to know when the right time is. You wait too long and a peaceful separation of the factions will be impossible. I fail to see what we gain with delay. The timing in my mind is the 2012 election. If Ruling Class pukes of all flavors are not purged from office and strict constitutionalists and economic conservatives are not replacing them any chance at restoration within the framework we have now is done.
Hey let me start the defeatist comments off :>)
I know everyone wants to think Frodo's success and Aragorn's speech before the Black Gate, but does no one remember the burning of the Westfold? The corrupt steward? The Sacking of every fortification around Gondor, and the near decimation of the City itself? There was a lot of death and dying and defeats before Aragon become the leader of Gondor, before people were ready to follow him to the Black Gate itself.
The time to fight will be when there is enough pain to make the situation plain to everyone.. so that means after the monetary default and when the govt is forced to try to put the screws down - bank holidays and what not. When it become apparent that you might as well fight - ride out to meet Sauron at the Black Gate- because the life you knew is forfeit anyway. The pain is coming. Wait for it.
I suspect that there are less than a handful of legislators on Capitol Hill that really hold the nation's best interests at heart. When the collapse comes—and it will—I hope I live long enough in the ensuing carnage to see some of these bastards held to account by their constituents.
I had a recent epiphany in that I realized what it is I'm doing here. I'm chronicling the decline of my country. :'(
I know. It's all wrong. By rights we shouldn't even be here. But we are. It's like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger, they were. And sometimes you didn't want to know the end. Because how could the end be happy? How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened? But in the end, it's only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer. Those were the stories that stayed with you. That meant something, even if you were too small to understand why. But I think, Mr. Frodo, I do understand. I know now. Folk in those stories had lots of chances of turning back, only they didn't. They kept going. Because they were holding on to something.
I agree, the coming election will prove whether we rule by the consent of the governed or not.
We already know we aren't; don't need any more proof. The coming election will merely underline it.
If, after the election, we get more of the same bs you are correct.
If, after the election, we get a Michele Bachmann or another stout conservative along with twenty or so more men and women of valor
elected to congress this Republic will have a (figuratively) fighting
chance to stand.
Jim De Mint, Rand Paul, Marco Rubio, Allen West, and their fellow travelers are not out there marking time until the fall.
Before this, we said the 2010 elections were do or die. Then the electorate bolstered by the Tea Party gave some hope, at least to me.
I still hope. But my hope is not in cohabitation or reconciliation. It is in an expansion of awareness that makes Leftism irrelevant. Pie in the sky, I know. But I suspect 2012 will tell us much.
If only somehow we could fool Wash idiots into thinking they work for us, wait.....we are the idiots who put them there. So WE must be responsible for their actions; NOPE we believed their hopey changey BS and elected them anyway. Q? can we vote "nobody" in the next election Just ::thinking::
Yeah, I get pissed off every time I hear somebody say, "We get the government we deserve." F*ck that. *I* don't deserve it.
And dont f*cking swear at me you imbecile.
You can tell by the asterisks. In my 9:08 comment, which was not directed at anybody, I wrote "f*ck". I typed the asterisk deliberately, in deference to the local rules.
In my 9:51 comment, what I wrote was converted by the site software as "f**k". I didn't type any asterisks in that comment.
I wasn't trying to explain myself. I was making my intent plain and explicit.
I wasn't trying to explain myself. I was making my intent plain and explicit.
Ok; clearly seen already by anybody with eyes.
I'm defending you; you wanna peck a fight now? ;D
I wasn't trying to explain myself. I was making my intent plain and explicit.
Ok; clearly seen already by anybody with eyes.
I'm defending you; you wanna peck a fight now? ;D
No, not with you. ::ohno::
I wasn't trying to explain myself. I was making my intent plain and explicit.
Ok; clearly seen already by anybody with eyes.
I'm defending you; you wanna peck a fight now? ;D
No, not with you. ::ohno::
I know that; I was making light.
Should I just shuddup now?
I'm still not sure where that all came from.
Clearly your an imbecile and moron, I guess i'll have to explain[ie for those of you in Calif and rickl] this means........ oops sorry its not your opinion, this place is starting to look like Politico[ idiots on parade]
Better yet see ya. I'm thinking I'll take a long siesta[nap] from the small group of people who feel they should correct postings [JF] and "F" bombers. I actually thought this site would be interesting. So BYE
Clearly your an imbecile and moron, I guess i'll have to explain[ie for those of you in Calif and rickl] this means........ oops sorry its not your opinion, this place is starting to look like Politico[ idiots on parade]
Better yet see ya. I'm thinking I'll take a long siesta[nap] from the small group of people who feel they should correct postings [JF] and "F" bombers. I actually thought this site would be interesting. So BYE
Hey, rickl...how do you like being called an imbecile and moron by a half-wit? Pretty funny, eh? Don't sweat it. If it was at all possible this cretin would be posting in Crayola.
Anyone wanna vote him off the island?
Clearly your an imbecile and moron
On a separate note, do you think it's a coincidence that the exceptionally stupid are found on the Left side of the bell curve?
Well that certainly was a strange little interlude. After rereading the conversation twice, I have no idea where 'what the Hell' was coming from.
"I hope I live long enough in the ensuing carnage to see some of these bastards held to account by their constituents."
Really, this is my only real motivation to keep going, ya know?