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Title: This is madness
Post by: rickl on July 07, 2011, 10:52:56 PM
The Animal Rights Extremists Nearing Victory in California (http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/07/the_animal_rights_extremists_nearing_victory_in_california.html)

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It has long been the goal of HSUS and PETA to "capture" California and to mandate veganism through carefully worded and placed state laws.  The "capture" of California would be the crown jewel of their animal rights movement knowing that as goes California, so goes the nation.  To this end, HSUS has ushered forth SB 917 and AB 1117.  SB 917 will legally redefine the term "animal cruelty" with purposefully overbroad and poorly defined law to include the transportation, display, and all sales of animals on public property. 

Think carefully about that.  This would mean that if you walk your dog or if your cat suns herself in your front yard you are, by the strictest interpretation of this law, "displaying" an animal and are guilty of "animal cruelty," which will be a misdemeanor replete with arrest, jail time, seizure of your animal, and punitive fines.  If you transport rabbits to a show or take your dog to the vet you would, according to SB 917, be committing an act of animal cruelty.  If your child gives away kittens in front of Walmart, she will instantly become a criminal in doing so.

AB 1117 further expands the scope and reach of SB 917 by mandating seizure of all animals in one's possession if a single act of "animal cruelty" has occurred (see SB 917).  Heavy fines and "upkeep" fees are then levied against the owner for each animal seized.  AB 1117 allows for the killing or other disposition of seized animals before the accused can prove innocence in court.*  This bill allows for the destruction of evidence and the theft of real property under the color of law.

Furthermore, if the accusation is founded (remember all evidence has been destroyed or disposed of) then the accused will not be allowed to own any animal again for 5 years.  All other people living with the accused are bound by the same mandate.  It does not take a lot of imagination to figure out how such bills might destroy all animal-based agriculture, pet breeding, and animal ownership in California.

*I will leave it to your imagination as to what I would do if that ever happened to me or one of my pets.  I can assure you that it would not be pretty, and that my retribution would involve innocent relatives of the parties responsible.
Title: Re: This is madness
Post by: Pandora on July 07, 2011, 10:55:38 PM
They're overstepping, but if this passes, beware.
Title: Re: This is madness
Post by: Alphabet Soup on July 07, 2011, 11:15:08 PM
Does it seem to anyone else that Kalifornia appears to be nearing critical mass for stupid? So stupid that it hurts just to read about their idiocy? Seriously, I can't help but wonder how these morons remember to breathe.
Title: Re: This is madness
Post by: Glock32 on July 07, 2011, 11:20:35 PM
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AB 1117 allows for the killing or other disposition of seized animals before the accused can prove innocence in court.*

What is it with these so-called animal rights organizations and the killing of animals? Mark Levin was talking about this on his show a few weeks ago -- apparently PETA in Virginia operates a "shelter" that kills over 95% of the dogs and cats that end up there. All of this hardly points to any genuine concern for the welfare of animals. I suspect the whole broader "animal rights" movement is just another wing of the misanthropic Left, more interested in power and cynical control over people.
Title: Re: This is madness
Post by: charlesoakwood on July 08, 2011, 12:31:34 AM

Once upon insanity was considered illegal.  As we became more sophisticated we realized these people could not help themselves
and we developed institutions where they could safely reside.
As we became wealthier and more sophisticated we decided that,
with proper supervision, some of the more harmless to themselves
and society could live in society, then came the stigma of the
crazy house and ultimately decriminalization and integration of all
but the most dangerous into society. 

Today the integration has been so complete that these lunitics are better known as Democrats, liberals, communists, Marxists, and the like.
It's time to recriminalize insanity and put these people in comfortable safe institutions again.

Title: Re: This is madness
Post by: Libertas on July 08, 2011, 07:03:30 AM
You would think a case would eventually wind up in SCOTUS and this buffoonery would be slapped down, but it shouldn't even have to come to that, this is one of the most psychotic things I've ever seen, these people are completely off-the-reservation batsh*t effing nuts!
Title: Re: This is madness
Post by: John Florida on July 08, 2011, 08:07:15 AM
This is going to spill over onto farm animals. Watch these idiots go after our food!
Title: Re: This is madness
Post by: BigAlSouth on July 08, 2011, 09:31:48 AM
Ahhhhhh, the puppies and kittens are safe in the arms of the California bureaucracy. How sweet.

Meanwhile, California abortion mills churn out death to innocents . . .

http://www.abort73.com/abortion_facts/us_abortion_statistics/ (http://www.abort73.com/abortion_facts/us_abortion_statistics/)
Title: Re: This is madness
Post by: IronDioPriest on July 08, 2011, 09:41:01 AM
Yet another example that leads me to the conclusion that reconciliation and co-habitation is completely unrealistic. Somebody has to win, and somebody has to lose, it's as simple as that. Back and forth between election cycles is no solution. There must be a permanent, sustainable victory over the Leftist freaks, or we will be living in hell.
Title: Re: This is madness
Post by: Libertas on July 08, 2011, 11:30:53 AM
I agree.  But everytime we touch on this topic it spins off into charges of being an alarmist, defeatist or we are premature in calling for it.  I'd like to know when the right time is.  You wait too long and a peaceful separation of the factions will be impossible.  I fail to see what we gain with delay.  The timing in my mind is the 2012 election.  If Ruling Class pukes of all flavors are not purged from office and strict constitutionalists and economic conservatives are not replacing them any chance at restoration within the framework we have now is done.
Title: Re: This is madness
Post by: charlesoakwood on July 08, 2011, 12:05:19 PM

I agree,  the coming election will prove whether we rule by the consent of the governed or not.

Title: Re: This is madness
Post by: Pandora on July 08, 2011, 12:34:25 PM

I agree,  the coming election will prove whether we rule by the consent of the governed or not.



We already know we aren't; don't need any more proof.  The coming election will merely underline it.
Title: Re: This is madness
Post by: Weisshaupt on July 08, 2011, 01:05:57 PM
I agree.  But everytime we touch on this topic it spins off into charges of being an alarmist, defeatist or we are premature in calling for it.  I'd like to know when the right time is.  You wait too long and a peaceful separation of the factions will be impossible.  I fail to see what we gain with delay.  The timing in my mind is the 2012 election.  If Ruling Class pukes of all flavors are not purged from office and strict constitutionalists and economic conservatives are not replacing them any chance at restoration within the framework we have now is done.

Hey let me start the defeatist comments  off :>)

I know everyone wants to think Frodo's success  and Aragorn's speech before the Black Gate,  but does no one remember the burning of the Westfold? The corrupt steward? The Sacking of every fortification around Gondor, and the near decimation of the City itself?  There was a lot of death and dying and defeats before Aragon become the leader of Gondor, before people were ready to follow him to the Black Gate itself.

The time to fight will be when there is enough pain to make the situation plain to everyone..  so that means after the monetary default and when the govt is forced to try to put the screws down - bank holidays and what not.  When it become apparent that you might as well fight - ride out to meet Sauron at the Black Gate- because the life you knew is forfeit anyway. The pain is coming. Wait for it.   
Title: Re: This is madness
Post by: Pandora on July 08, 2011, 01:13:50 PM
I had a recent epiphany in that I realized what it is I'm doing here.  I'm chronicling the decline of my country.  :'(
Title: Re: This is madness
Post by: Pandora on July 08, 2011, 01:56:18 PM
I agree.  But everytime we touch on this topic it spins off into charges of being an alarmist, defeatist or we are premature in calling for it.  I'd like to know when the right time is.  You wait too long and a peaceful separation of the factions will be impossible.  I fail to see what we gain with delay.  The timing in my mind is the 2012 election.  If Ruling Class pukes of all flavors are not purged from office and strict constitutionalists and economic conservatives are not replacing them any chance at restoration within the framework we have now is done.

Hey let me start the defeatist comments  off :>)

I know everyone wants to think Frodo's success  and Aragorn's speech before the Black Gate,  but does no one remember the burning of the Westfold? The corrupt steward? The Sacking of every fortification around Gondor, and the near decimation of the City itself?  There was a lot of death and dying and defeats before Aragon become the leader of Gondor, before people were ready to follow him to the Black Gate itself.

The time to fight will be when there is enough pain to make the situation plain to everyone..  so that means after the monetary default and when the govt is forced to try to put the screws down - bank holidays and what not.  When it become apparent that you might as well fight - ride out to meet Sauron at the Black Gate- because the life you knew is forfeit anyway. The pain is coming. Wait for it.   


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I suspect that there are less than a handful of legislators on Capitol Hill that really hold the nation's best interests at heart. When the collapse comes—and it will—I hope I live long enough in the ensuing carnage to see some of these bastards held to account by their constituents.

Bob Owens (http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/archives/318478.php)
Title: Re: This is madness
Post by: Dan on July 08, 2011, 02:23:06 PM
What a perversion of the Natural Order. But then again, what would we expect from the minds of those who think homosexuality is the equivalent of heterosexuality.
And you can take that comment to the bank JF. It's all about control. Animals/food production, healthcare, AGW theory...the list is endless.
As G pointed out, it's not about saving anything.

But I'll tell you what...the first time they charge a lion w/ murder is when I give them any serious thought.
Title: Re: This is madness
Post by: Weisshaupt on July 08, 2011, 02:48:35 PM
I had a recent epiphany in that I realized what it is I'm doing here.  I'm chronicling the decline of my country.  :'(

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I know. It's all wrong. By rights we shouldn't even be here. But we are. It's like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger, they were. And sometimes you didn't want to know the end. Because how could the end be happy? How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened? But in the end, it's only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer. Those were the stories that stayed with you. That meant something, even if you were too small to understand why. But I think, Mr. Frodo, I do understand. I know now. Folk in those stories had lots of chances of turning back, only they didn't. They kept going. Because they were holding on to something.

The shaodw is a "passing thing" only in retrospect - when you know the ending. The eastern Block, China, Russia I would argue are all still in shadow. I know I seem fatalistic at times, but we have to be prepared for the very real hardships and very real evil that is to come. That doesn't mean the shadow won't eventually pass, but it does mean you should expect it to spread over everything before things can be set to right.


Title: Re: This is madness
Post by: charlesoakwood on July 08, 2011, 03:32:32 PM

I agree,  the coming election will prove whether we rule by the consent of the governed or not.



We already know we aren't; don't need any more proof.  The coming election will merely underline it.

If, after the election, we get more of the same bs you are correct.
If, after the election, we get a Michele Bachmann or another stout conservative along with twenty or so more men and women of valor
elected to congress this Republic will have a (figuratively) fighting
chance to stand.

Jim De Mint, Rand Paul, Marco Rubio, Allen West, and their fellow travelers are not out there marking time until the fall.




Title: Re: This is madness
Post by: AlanS on July 08, 2011, 09:12:42 PM
If, after the election, we get more of the same bs you are correct.
If, after the election, we get a Michele Bachmann or another stout conservative along with twenty or so more men and women of valor
elected to congress this Republic will have a (figuratively) fighting
chance to stand.

Jim De Mint, Rand Paul, Marco Rubio, Allen West, and their fellow travelers are not out there marking time until the fall.

True. I pray we get more, because they aren't enough of them to do it by themselves.
Title: Re: This is madness
Post by: Libertas on July 11, 2011, 07:07:47 AM
"I hope I live long enough in the ensuing carnage to see some of these bastards held to account by their constituents."

Really, this is my only real motivation to keep going, ya know?
Title: Re: This is madness
Post by: IronDioPriest on July 12, 2011, 05:32:34 PM
Before this, we said the 2010 elections were do or die. Then the electorate bolstered by the Tea Party gave some hope, at least to me.

I still hope. But my hope is not in cohabitation or reconciliation. It is in an expansion of awareness that makes Leftism irrelevant. Pie in the sky, I know. But I suspect 2012 will tell us much.
Title: Re: This is madness
Post by: John Florida on July 12, 2011, 05:44:55 PM
Before this, we said the 2010 elections were do or die. Then the electorate bolstered by the Tea Party gave some hope, at least to me.

I still hope. But my hope is not in cohabitation or reconciliation. It is in an expansion of awareness that makes Leftism irrelevant. Pie in the sky, I know. But I suspect 2012 will tell us much.

 The closer we get to 2012 the more I get worried about where it all ends up.
Title: Re: This is madness
Post by: what the Hell? on July 12, 2011, 07:48:09 PM
If only somehow we could fool Wash idiots into thinking they work for us, wait.....we are the idiots who put them there. So WE must be responsible for their actions; NOPE we believed their hopey changey BS and elected them anyway.  Q? can we vote "nobody" in the next election Just ::thinking::
Title: Re: This is madness
Post by: John Florida on July 12, 2011, 07:57:48 PM
If only somehow we could fool Wash idiots into thinking they work for us, wait.....we are the idiots who put them there. So WE must be responsible for their actions; NOPE we believed their hopey changey BS and elected them anyway.  Q? can we vote "nobody" in the next election Just ::thinking::

 I get your point but I can assure you that WE didn't vote for this mess.We got over ruled and We got stuck with a 2 time loser for a candidate and the only reasons he got any votes was because people voted toPalin and held their noses for Mac.Trust me we had nothing to do with it.
Title: Re: This is madness
Post by: rickl on July 12, 2011, 08:08:51 PM
Yeah, I get pissed off every time I hear somebody say, "We get the government we deserve."  F*ck that.  *I* don't deserve it.
Title: Re: This is madness
Post by: what the Hell? on July 12, 2011, 08:17:20 PM
I'm thinking that this site has one opinion about everthing, yours. And dont f*cking swear at me you imbecile. The dictionary has many words other than the "F" bomb or have you reached your limit? The point there was[sarcasm] to highlight the "system" and how all people who register to vote are very uniformed GET IT! No need to apologize Everybody needs to listen carefully and NOT critique other ominions [spellcheck used!!!]
Title: Re: This is madness
Post by: charlesoakwood on July 12, 2011, 08:41:30 PM
Yeah, I get pissed off every time I hear somebody say, "We get the government we deserve."  F*ck that.  *I* don't deserve it.

More Washington smoke and mirrors.  They have so rigged the primary process in favor of incumbents or Party favorites that by polling time the choice is slim or none.  They have also rigged it against 3rd party and write in candidates. 

Before they "fixed" it Mickey Mouse was almost elected mayor of my town.  How embarrassing for the candidates. Can't have that.



Title: Re: This is madness
Post by: rickl on July 12, 2011, 08:51:48 PM
And dont f*cking swear at me you imbecile.

Go f**k yourself, idiot.

Get back to me when you can write a coherent sentence.
Title: Re: This is madness
Post by: what the Hell? on July 12, 2011, 09:03:06 PM
Clearly your an imbecile and moron, I guess i'll have to explain[ie for those of you in Calif and rickl] this means........ oops sorry its not your opinion, this place is starting to look like Politico[ idiots on parade]
Better yet see ya. I'm thinking I'll take a long siesta[nap] from the small group of people who feel they should correct postings [JF] and "F" bombers. I actually thought this site would be interesting. So BYE
Title: Re: This is madness
Post by: rickl on July 12, 2011, 09:08:14 PM
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.  Or do; I don't give a sh*t.
Title: Re: This is madness
Post by: Pandora on July 12, 2011, 09:19:14 PM
Good grief.

I'm about as testy as anyone here and I've never called one of us an imbecile.

Don't care for that.
Title: Re: This is madness
Post by: rickl on July 12, 2011, 09:29:20 PM
You can tell by the asterisks.  In my 9:08 comment, which was not directed at anybody, I wrote "f*ck".  I typed the asterisk deliberately, in deference to the local rules.

In my 9:51 comment, what I wrote was converted by the site software as "f**k".  I didn't type any asterisks in that comment.
Title: Re: This is madness
Post by: Pandora on July 12, 2011, 09:32:34 PM
You can tell by the asterisks.  In my 9:08 comment, which was not directed at anybody, I wrote "f*ck".  I typed the asterisk deliberately, in deference to the local rules.

In my 9:51 comment, what I wrote was converted by the site software as "f**k".  I didn't type any asterisks in that comment.

YOU don't need to explain a gawdamn thing.

Tone, in whatever form, is our hallmark.

Anybody that doesn't like it can f u ck off.  And not let the door hit 'em where the Good Lord split 'em.
Title: Re: This is madness
Post by: rickl on July 12, 2011, 09:36:34 PM
I wasn't trying to explain myself.  I was making my intent plain and explicit.

Or, well, as explicit as I can be around here, what with the asterisks and all.   ::angry::
Title: Re: This is madness
Post by: Pandora on July 12, 2011, 09:39:41 PM
I wasn't trying to explain myself.  I was making my intent plain and explicit.

Ok; clearly seen already by anybody with eyes.

I'm defending you; you wanna peck a fight now?    ;D
Title: Re: This is madness
Post by: John Florida on July 12, 2011, 09:43:07 PM
Hello it's us here not them. Can we all take a breath here??
Title: Re: This is madness
Post by: rickl on July 12, 2011, 09:45:09 PM
I wasn't trying to explain myself.  I was making my intent plain and explicit.

Ok; clearly seen already by anybody with eyes.

I'm defending you; you wanna peck a fight now?    ;D

No, not with you.   ::ohno::
Title: Re: This is madness
Post by: Pandora on July 12, 2011, 09:46:39 PM
I wasn't trying to explain myself.  I was making my intent plain and explicit.

Ok; clearly seen already by anybody with eyes.

I'm defending you; you wanna peck a fight now?    ;D

No, not with you.   ::ohno::

I know that; I was making light.

Should I just shuddup now?
Title: Re: This is madness
Post by: John Florida on July 12, 2011, 09:47:48 PM
I wasn't trying to explain myself.  I was making my intent plain and explicit.

Ok; clearly seen already by anybody with eyes.

I'm defending you; you wanna peck a fight now?    ;D

No, not with you.   ::ohno::

I know that; I was making light.

Should I just shuddup now?

 Do you wnt to?
Title: Re: This is madness
Post by: rickl on July 12, 2011, 09:48:46 PM
Nah, I should get back to the All-Star game anyway.
Title: Re: This is madness
Post by: IronDioPriest on July 12, 2011, 10:18:39 PM
One thing I can't stand is newbs who enter the room and proceed to take a steaming sh*t on the floor and act all indignant when you object.

You put out the welcome mat, open the door, offer a greeting... and they drop their drawers and sh*t on the floor.

Guess how much patience I'll have with this steaming pile of sh*t if it messes the floor again?

Title: Re: This is madness
Post by: John Florida on July 12, 2011, 10:22:58 PM
I'm still not sure where that all came from.
Title: Re: This is madness
Post by: IronDioPriest on July 12, 2011, 10:27:17 PM
I'm still not sure where that all came from.

No doubt. The outrage did not seem at all commensurate with the conversation, let alone related to it in any way. Bizarre.
Title: Re: This is madness
Post by: Predator Don on July 12, 2011, 11:38:03 PM
Probaby a large bet on the All Star game.....
Title: Re: This is madness
Post by: trapeze on July 13, 2011, 12:57:30 AM
Clearly your an imbecile and moron, I guess i'll have to explain[ie for those of you in Calif and rickl] this means........ oops sorry its not your opinion, this place is starting to look like Politico[ idiots on parade]
Better yet see ya. I'm thinking I'll take a long siesta[nap] from the small group of people who feel they should correct postings [JF] and "F" bombers. I actually thought this site would be interesting. So BYE

Hey, rickl...how do you like being called an imbecile and moron by a half-wit? Pretty funny, eh? Don't sweat it. If it was at all possible this cretin would be posting in Crayola.

Anyone wanna vote him off the island?
Title: Re: This is madness
Post by: trapeze on July 13, 2011, 12:59:47 AM
And while I'm waiting for votes here is a musical interlude:

What do you want from life? (The Tubes) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgjfi1DU1mQ#)
Title: Re: This is madness
Post by: rickl on July 13, 2011, 01:04:45 AM
Clearly your an imbecile and moron, I guess i'll have to explain[ie for those of you in Calif and rickl] this means........ oops sorry its not your opinion, this place is starting to look like Politico[ idiots on parade]
Better yet see ya. I'm thinking I'll take a long siesta[nap] from the small group of people who feel they should correct postings [JF] and "F" bombers. I actually thought this site would be interesting. So BYE

Hey, rickl...how do you like being called an imbecile and moron by a half-wit? Pretty funny, eh? Don't sweat it. If it was at all possible this cretin would be posting in Crayola.

Anyone wanna vote him off the island?

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Clearly your an imbecile and moron

He needs to read The Elements of F*cking Style. (http://www.amazon.com/Elements-cking-Style-Helpful-Parody/dp/031258377X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1308628592&sr=1-1)


Title: Re: This is madness
Post by: RickZ on July 13, 2011, 04:16:45 AM
Well that certainly was a strange little interlude.  After rereading the conversation twice, I have no idea where 'what the Hell' was coming from.
Title: Re: This is madness
Post by: BigAlSouth on July 13, 2011, 05:37:14 AM
(http://www.iqtestexperts.com/img/curve.jpg)
Title: Re: This is madness
Post by: Libertas on July 13, 2011, 07:20:12 AM
Imbecile and a moron?

 ::hysterical::

Poor incompetent bastard!  In the hierarchy of stupid we may need a new category for this clown!

Nice graph BAS, I guess you're implying our interloper was an outlier?!

Yeah, he's out now!

 ::hysterical::
Title: Re: This is madness
Post by: Glock32 on July 13, 2011, 08:49:20 AM
On a separate note, do you think it's a coincidence that the exceptionally stupid are found on the Left side of the bell curve?
Title: Re: This is madness
Post by: BigAlSouth on July 13, 2011, 09:37:49 AM
On a separate note, do you think it's a coincidence that the exceptionally stupid are found on the Left side of the bell curve?

Ed Zachary
Title: Re: This is madness
Post by: Libertas on July 13, 2011, 10:05:49 AM
 ::hysterical::
Title: Re: This is madness
Post by: Predator Don on July 13, 2011, 10:10:47 AM
Well that certainly was a strange little interlude.  After rereading the conversation twice, I have no idea where 'what the Hell' was coming from.


Yea....I wanted to post "What the Hell"? , what the hell.

Maybe he lost the thrill running up his leg....
Title: Re: This is madness
Post by: John Florida on July 13, 2011, 04:28:30 PM
Good help is really hard to find lately!!
Title: Re: This is madness
Post by: charlesoakwood on July 18, 2011, 12:15:53 PM
"I hope I live long enough in the ensuing carnage to see some of these bastards held to account by their constituents."

Really, this is my only real motivation to keep going, ya know?



Rep. West : Obama 'Sad' 'Pathetic' 'Fear-Mongering' On Debt Issue

! Private video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouCnZ0q2Eu0&feature=player_embedded#)

VIDEO HERE (http://hotair.com/archives/2011/07/11/allen-west-we-need-a-special-prosecutor-to-investigate-holders-role-in-operation-fast-and-furious/)

Title: Re: This is madness
Post by: AlanS on July 18, 2011, 05:52:07 PM
Dayum! I have to actually work and come in the end of this little romantic interlude. I haven't seen that much oral sex since................well, it's been a while.
Title: Re: This is madness
Post by: Libertas on July 19, 2011, 07:21:17 AM
   ::rolllaughing::   ::laughonfloor:: ::hysterical::