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Title: AMPU - Trayvon Martin and Revisited
Post by: amperfectunion on March 26, 2012, 11:13:59 AM
Hey folks, the latest article at amostperfectunion.com is up, called "Trayvon Martin."  Below is an excerpt:

"I’ve refrained on commenting “officially” on the Trayvon Martin issue up until now, on purpose.  First and foremost, there have been so few available facts about what really happened that night, and what we’ve seen instead is a lot of racially charged invective from professional race baiters...over the weekend, however, that has changed."

To read the entire article, follow this link:

http://amostperfectunion.com/ampu/archives/art32.htm (http://amostperfectunion.com/ampu/archives/art32.htm)

I hope you enjoy it!

Feel free to quote and post bits of it  here, but I would ask that you refrain from posting the article in its entirety.  Thank you!
Title: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: IronDioPriest on March 26, 2012, 01:14:58 PM
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Oh, and can we please stop calling Zimmerman “white?”  He’s only “white” because that is what is required for the race-baiter template.  Zimmerman is racially mixed of Latino descent.  If he’s white, then so is our President.

It really is so transparent what they are doing. The amazing and disconcerting thing is how unified the Left and all its tentacles are in an effort like this. Just as in the Duke "rape" case, they swing into overdrive to create the narrative, and from that point forward, the truth has to do battle with the Leftist narrative for airspace. We end up with polarization along ideological lines where in a sane nation, there would be none.

It's despicable and evil.
Title: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: Weisshaupt on March 26, 2012, 01:24:04 PM
Suddenly I have the urge to post this again..
Don't Be a Sucker - 1947 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23X14HS4gLk#)
Title: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: amperfectunion on March 26, 2012, 01:40:42 PM
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Oh, and can we please stop calling Zimmerman “white?”  He’s only “white” because that is what is required for the race-baiter template.  Zimmerman is racially mixed of Latino descent.  If he’s white, then so is our President.

It really is so transparent what they are doing. The amazing and disconcerting thing is how unified the Left and all its tentacles are in an effort like this. Just as in the Duke "rape" case, they swing into overdrive to create the narrative, and from that point forward, the truth has to do battle with the Leftist narrative for airspace. We end up with polarization along ideological lines where in a sane nation, there would be none.

It's despicable and evil.

Exactly.  Nearly 100% of my time spent talking with people about this is spent combating the pre-existing, false narrative that's made it out there.

I actually had to tell someone that Zimmerman didn't initiate the confrontation - that, according to him and an eyewitness, Zimmerman was actually headed away from Martin and back to his SUV...leaving the scene, EXACTLY AS THE DISPATCHER TOLD HIM TO DO (which has been an oft-repeated but completely irrelevant criticism of what Zimmerman supposedly failed to do), that Martin initiated the confrontation, punched him in the face, which knocked Zimmerman to the ground and broke his nose, and then started bashing Zimmerman's head into the sidewalk.

And, I had to tell someone that no, Martin was not in fact shot in the back of the head.  There are no reports anywhere that tell us where he was shot.

Yep, most of the time is spent fighting lies that the racists on the left have repeated often enough to become the "truth."
Title: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: IronDioPriest on March 26, 2012, 01:51:32 PM
...Yep, most of the time is spent fighting lies that the racists on the left have repeated often enough to become the "truth."

Lies are the primary information dissemination vehicle of the Left in general, even aside from race. Fighting their lies with truth has always been necessary, even in a simpler time when we didn't realize the need. Now the need is more desperate because they are becoming bolder and more audacious with the lies, and their methods of dissemination are near complete, and rooted deeply.

They can create a false narrative that serves the agenda, and then send conservatives into a frenzied effort to catch up - which is never 100% successful - and while we busy ourselves debunking lies, they move forward with their destruction.

Something about that dynamic has got to change.
Title: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: amperfectunion on March 26, 2012, 01:55:20 PM

Something about that dynamic has got to change.


Yep.  If I were Zimmerman...and I end up getting no-billed by the grand jury...I'd file slander and defamation lawsuits against everyone in the universe.  You have got to go on the offense with these people, and shut them up when they lie.

The First Amendment is not a carte blanche license to lie, and it's not a right to incite violence, either as a mob or against a person.  Hitting these people in their bank accounts is the only thing that will stop them.  They clearly have no shame, scruples, or compunction with telling obvious, outright lies.
Title: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: Libertas on March 26, 2012, 02:35:26 PM
If that chain of events is correct (and Martin's wounds do not appear contradictory to the sequence) then it is incumbent upon the police and the DA's office to say so at the Grand Jury and if true, then they have a duty to inform the public or they will be complicit in making an already explosive situation much worse and the fallout could be devastating.
Title: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: amperfectunion on March 26, 2012, 02:46:34 PM
If that chain of events is correct (and Martin's wounds do not appear contradictory to the sequence) then it is incumbent upon the police and the DA's office to say so at the Grand Jury and if true, then they have a duty to inform the public or they will be complicit in making an already explosive situation much worse and the fallout could be devastating.

Exactly.  That's what Nifong failed to do with the Duke Lacrosse players (on purpose) and it ended up with him being rightfully disbarred.

Zimmerman can't go out in public anywhere right now because of the constant threats of violence, and if he is harmed, the Black Panthers, Jackson, Sharpton, Farrakhan, and whoever else jumping onto this bandwagon of stupidity is to blame.
Title: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: Pandora on March 26, 2012, 02:51:17 PM
There's a Black guy on the radio right now telling Hannity he's going to give $1000 to the Black Panther Fund so Zimmerman can be found and, not killed, but brought before them.  In other words, for a kangaroo court.

They are so emboldened they are saying this stuff on national radio.
Title: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: amperfectunion on March 26, 2012, 02:52:42 PM
There's a Black guy on the radio right now telling Hannity he's going to give $1000 to the Black Panther Fund so Zimmerman can be found and, not killed, but brought before them.  In other words, for a kangaroo court.

They are so emboldened they are saying this stuff on national radio.

So the Black Panthers are going to exact vigilante justice on a person who they are accusing of vigilantism, but isn't actually a vigilante?

Got it. 

The hypocrisy and foolishness of these people is, apparently, boundless.
Title: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: IronDioPriest on March 26, 2012, 02:52:50 PM
...Zimmerman can't go out in public anywhere right now because of the constant threats of violence, and if he is harmed, the Black Panthers, Jackson, Sharpton, Farrakhan, and whoever else jumping onto this bandwagon of stupidity is to blame.

Lest we forget, our esteemed president felt compelled to wade into this matter with his own racial passive-aggressive comment, and the pro-Black Panther Holder justice department has thus far refused to comment in regards to the case, or the threats against Zimmerman.

If Zimmerman is harmed, I would hold Obama and Holder accountable. They set the tone moving forward when they dropped the charges against the Black Panthers in the voter intimidation case, and with Obama's consistent race-baiting disguised as lectures on civility.

ETA: Combine that with the constant demonization of conservatives and the Tea Party (as we saw with the blame on Sarah Palin for the shooting of Giffords), and the constant attempts to portray the Tea Party as violent, and their tacit support of actual Leftist violence as found in "Occupy", and we have a recipe for Black racists believing that the entire Leftist establishment will support them and refuse to hold them accountable for their actions.

This is dangerous stuff.
Title: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: amperfectunion on March 26, 2012, 02:54:41 PM
Lest we forget, our esteemed president felt compelled to wade into this matter with his own racial passive-aggressive comment, and the pro-Black Panther Holder justice department has thus far refused to comment in regards to the case, or the threats against Zimmerman.

If Zimmerman is harmed, I would hold Obama and Holder accountable. They set the tone moving forward when they dropped the charges against the Black Panthers in the voter intimidation case, and with Obama's consistent race-baiting disguised as lectures on civility.


Yeah, can't forget the rabble-rouser in chief, can we?

I wonder if that white kid that was set on fire by two black teens made the President think about a son he didn't have.
Title: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: Pandora on March 26, 2012, 02:58:04 PM
There's a Black guy on the radio right now telling Hannity he's going to give $1000 to the Black Panther Fund so Zimmerman can be found and, not killed, but brought before them.  In other words, for a kangaroo court.

They are so emboldened they are saying this stuff on national radio.

So the Black Panthers are going to exact vigilante justice on a person who they are accusing of vigilantism, but isn't actually a vigilante?

Got it.  

The hypocrisy and foolishness of these people is, apparently, boundless.

It IS foolish .... and dangerous.  People hearing what the BPs are saying, and about what they're doing, knowing they're recruiting people like the caller to Hannity's show, and it's ramping up the hostility.  The Right is already armed to the teeth and on edge; now we have to worry about this newest bullsht from "the Black community".

Oops; I see I'm IDP's echo once again.
Title: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: IronDioPriest on March 26, 2012, 03:00:35 PM
An urban race war this summer could play right into Obama's hands.
Title: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: amperfectunion on March 26, 2012, 03:02:23 PM
It IS foolish .... and dangerous.  People hearing what the BPs are saying, and about what they're doing, knowing they're recruiting people like the caller to Hannity's show, and it's ramping up the hostility.  The Right is already armed to the teeth and on edge; now we have to worry about this newest bullsht from "the Black community".

Oops; I see I'm IDP's echo once again.

And the most ironic part about all of it?  Whenever someone like Giffords is the victim of violence, it's a race to see who can blame Limbaugh and other conservatives first, despite an utter lack of violent rhetoric from anyone on the political right.

If Zimmerman is harmed because of actual violent rhetoric from the Black Panthers and others...it will still be blamed on racist conservatives.

These people are seriously living in some alternate universe. 
Title: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: Pandora on March 26, 2012, 03:08:08 PM
An urban race war this summer could play right into Obama's hands.

I suspect it won't keep until the summer.  Rallies, "calls for justice", are already being held all over the country "for Trayvon" of course, and the local Racist Reverend Barber from Durham already has his mouth going:

"The reason there's such tension about it is because everywhere in this country, people can tell you stories, the same story, about the criminalization of our African-American men," said Rev. William Barber, president of the North Carolina chapter of the NAACP."

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/10901709/ (http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/10901709/)
Title: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: Pandora on March 26, 2012, 03:12:49 PM
It IS foolish .... and dangerous.  People hearing what the BPs are saying, and about what they're doing, knowing they're recruiting people like the caller to Hannity's show, and it's ramping up the hostility.  The Right is already armed to the teeth and on edge; now we have to worry about this newest bullsht from "the Black community".

Oops; I see I'm IDP's echo once again.

And the most ironic part about all of it?  Whenever someone like Giffords is the victim of violence, it's a race to see who can blame Limbaugh and other conservatives first, despite an utter lack of violent rhetoric from anyone on the political right.

If Zimmerman is harmed because of actual violent rhetoric from the Black Panthers and others...it will still be blamed on racist conservatives.

These people are seriously living in some alternate universe. 

Well, Karen Finney is already pointing fingers:

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Now Karen Finney on MSNBC is blaming Newt Gingrich, Rush Limbaugh and Rick Santorum for the tragic shooting of Trayvon Martin. Well, at least it wasn’t the hoodie. Finney whines about the “Barack the Magic Negro” phrase which she attributes to Rush Limbaugh. Problem for Karen Finny and other Marxist hacks, is the whole Barack The Magic Negro was first “invented” by the L.A. Times in March of 2007. But facts never matter to progressive liberals or NBC “talent.”

http://www.fireandreamitchell.com/2012/03/23/nbcmsnbc-hack-karen-finney-now-blaming-rush-limbaugh-newt-gingrich-and-rick-santorum-for-trayvon-martin-shooting-death-video/ (http://www.fireandreamitchell.com/2012/03/23/nbcmsnbc-hack-karen-finney-now-blaming-rush-limbaugh-newt-gingrich-and-rick-santorum-for-trayvon-martin-shooting-death-video/)
Title: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: IronDioPriest on March 26, 2012, 03:16:02 PM
Regardless of what happens to Zimmerman, and regardless of the facts that are now coming out to counter the narrative, "Trayvon" is going to be a rallying cry for the race-pimps going forward. They see his death as a great gift. They decry it even as they rub their paws together in anticipation of the glorious demagoguery they will accomplish in his name.

BTW, WTF kind of name is "Trayvon"? When I see stories like this; of strife and tribulation populated with made-up names ending in "qua", "sha", "ius", "eekah", "azz" or... "von".... I have to wonder.... maybe the problem we're reading about in the news began on day one.

I don't blame the name, of course. But perhaps there is some blame for a culture that brands its children with an identity that has no foundation. Names mean something, and studies have shown a correlation between ones name and ones accomplishments. Just chewing on the thought.
Title: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: amperfectunion on March 26, 2012, 03:18:47 PM
Seriously.  Not a joke.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/trayvon-martin-trademarks-769123 (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/trayvon-martin-trademarks-769123)

"MARCH 26--The mother of Trayvon Martin has filed two applications to secure trademarks containing her late son’s name, records show."

I said it in the article.  This mess about Trayvon isn't about Trayvon.  It's about personal enrichment.  Period.
Title: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: Predator Don on March 26, 2012, 03:24:08 PM
damn.....I feel another beer summit coming....Colt 45.
Title: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: Pandora on March 26, 2012, 07:14:42 PM
Seriously.  Not a joke.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/trayvon-martin-trademarks-769123 (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/trayvon-martin-trademarks-769123)

"MARCH 26--The mother of Trayvon Martin has filed two applications to secure trademarks containing her late son’s name, records show."

I said it in the article.  This mess about Trayvon isn't about Trayvon.  It's about personal enrichment.  Period.

Not exactly "period"; it's also about "Critical Race Theory" in action.  They're testing.
Title: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: Predator Don on March 26, 2012, 07:27:21 PM
I'm not surprised....consider the source. It is people of her ilk who turn funerals into campaign rallies. Anyway, she is stimulating the economy by spending her welfare on t shirts.
Title: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: warpmine on March 26, 2012, 10:21:41 PM
If I didn't know better, I'd swear the mother sacrificed her son for the movement.  ::puke::
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: amperfectunion on March 27, 2012, 11:59:22 AM
Annnnnnd...Zimmerman is a registered Democrat.

http://freebeacon.com/registered-dem-killed-trayvon/ (http://freebeacon.com/registered-dem-killed-trayvon/)

There goes the "racist white Republican" narrative.
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: IronDioPriest on March 27, 2012, 12:07:09 PM
Annnnnnd...Zimmerman is a registered Democrat.

http://freebeacon.com/registered-dem-killed-trayvon/ (http://freebeacon.com/registered-dem-killed-trayvon/)

There goes the "racist white Republican" narrative.

heheheh. Is it wrong for me to be experiencing schadenfreude? It really is angering, and nothing at this point is going to completely undo the damage the race-pimps have done. But their narrative is getting killed by a thousand cuts of truth, and I like it - I love it - I want some more - of it.
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: amperfectunion on March 27, 2012, 12:22:09 PM
Then check this out:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2120504/Trayvon-Martin-case-He-suspended-times-caught-burglary-tool.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2120504/Trayvon-Martin-case-He-suspended-times-caught-burglary-tool.html)

http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-linehan/was-trayvon-martin-a-drug-dealer (http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-linehan/was-trayvon-martin-a-drug-dealer)

http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/26/the-daily-caller-obtains-trayvon-martins-tweets/#ixzz1qGztV3LT (http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/26/the-daily-caller-obtains-trayvon-martins-tweets/#ixzz1qGztV3LT)
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: Libertas on March 27, 2012, 12:46:19 PM
Annnnnnd...Zimmerman is a registered Democrat.

http://freebeacon.com/registered-dem-killed-trayvon/ (http://freebeacon.com/registered-dem-killed-trayvon/)

There goes the "racist white Republican" narrative.

(http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss291/libertasinfinitio/LOL/ha-ha.jpg)
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: Predator Don on March 27, 2012, 01:33:14 PM
Then check this out:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2120504/Trayvon-Martin-case-He-suspended-times-caught-burglary-tool.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2120504/Trayvon-Martin-case-He-suspended-times-caught-burglary-tool.html)

http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-linehan/was-trayvon-martin-a-drug-dealer (http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-linehan/was-trayvon-martin-a-drug-dealer)

http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/26/the-daily-caller-obtains-trayvon-martins-tweets/#ixzz1qGztV3LT (http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/26/the-daily-caller-obtains-trayvon-martins-tweets/#ixzz1qGztV3LT)


The american media is hiding his past almost as well as they hide obama's.
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: radioman on March 27, 2012, 01:49:10 PM
 I think it is safe to say that he is not an apostle.
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: amperfectunion on March 27, 2012, 02:01:04 PM
I think it is safe to say that he is not an apostle.

Sure.

And the only reason why I bring it up is because people have been making a point to bring up Zimmerman's past.  Not to mention lying about Zimmerman's past  The latest BS going around the internet is that Zimmerman wasn't charged because his father is a retired judge, despite having a record of violence.  Who sits at home and makes up this crap?
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: IronDioPriest on March 27, 2012, 02:11:08 PM
...Who sits at home and makes up this crap?

Liberals.
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: amperfectunion on March 27, 2012, 02:12:29 PM
...Who sits at home and makes up this crap?

Liberals.

Yeah, but not average, ever-day liberals.  There have got to be some seriously bad people out there who have nothing better to do than just outright fabricate things. 

In my mind, there are two types of liberals.  The 1% that are the people who know they are lying, and the 99% who are dupes.
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: IronDioPriest on March 27, 2012, 02:19:23 PM
...In my mind, there are two types of liberals.  The 1% that are the people who know they are lying, and the 99% who are dupes.

I've come to the point that I am not so generous with my benefit of the doubt. I think most actual ideological liberals (not just simple kneejerk Democrat voters, but committed liberals) know they lie, and do so for the furtherance of their agenda. Essentially, they practice Taqqiyah for the benefit of Leftism.

The people who self-identify as "liberal" is roughly consistent at about 30% of the general population. I think they're all liars until they demonstrate otherwise - every last one of them.
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: radioman on March 27, 2012, 02:36:29 PM
There is no difference between those that willingly lie and those that are useful idiots.

They both cause us harm. IOW, the results are the same.
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: amperfectunion on March 27, 2012, 02:45:02 PM
The results are the same, but ignorance can be fixed.  It's hard to reform someone invested in lying.
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: Weisshaupt on March 27, 2012, 03:00:19 PM
The results are the same, but ignorance can be fixed.  It's hard to reform someone invested in lying.

They aren't ignorant. They have fully invested their egos into an ideology and a tribe that lets them play "superhero" - They are NO DIFFERENT than every Nazi who bought into and thought themselves special as members of  the "Master  Race"
They have no interest in introspection or thinking  about what they are doing. They have no interest  in the rights of others.  They have no interest  in the truth. They only thing they care about is narcissistic self-gratification of their egos. They made the choice  renounce the quest for truth, thought and reason, and that makes them animals. They emote. They respond. They run with the herd. They do not think. They therefore cannot be "ignorant" and their "ignorance" cannot be "fixed"

They are dangerous herd animals within the gates of the civilized - Neanderthals practicing a primitive form of ethics. There is ONLY ONE THING TO DO WITH THEM.
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: amperfectunion on March 27, 2012, 03:12:42 PM
The results are the same, but ignorance can be fixed.  It's hard to reform someone invested in lying.

They aren't ignorant. They have fully invested their egos into an ideology and a tribe that lets them play "superhero" - They are NO DIFFERENT than every Nazi who bought into and thought themselves special as members of  the "Master  Race"
They have no interest in introspection or thinking  about what they are doing. They have no interest  in the rights of others.  They have no interest  in the truth. They only thing they care about is narcissistic self-gratification of their egos. They made the choice  renounce the quest for truth, thought and reason, and that makes them animals. They emote. They respond. They run with the herd. They do not think. They therefore cannot be "ignorant" and their "ignorance" cannot be "fixed"

They are dangerous herd animals within the gates of the civilized - Neanderthals practicing a primitive form of ethics. There is ONLY ONE THING TO DO WITH THEM.

I dunno...I don't really believe that.  MOST people I've met that are liberals (and I live in Austin, TX, which is libbie central) are just ignorant, and don't really think about things that much.  They're just intellectually lazy and go with whatever feels right to them.
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: Weisshaupt on March 27, 2012, 03:35:49 PM
I dunno...I don't really believe that.  MOST people I've met that are liberals (and I live in Austin, TX, which is libbie central) are just ignorant, and don't really think about things that much.  They're just intellectually lazy and go with whatever feels right to them.

Try to get one to think. Try to get one to argue - to actually answer questions as to Why the believe what they believe and how they came to those conclusions. Not one will be capable of it. Sure there are some sleeper conservatives in there somewhere- but if you wake them up, they will tell you ( eventually) that one day they  realized that they  were never "one of them" - that they went along to get along.  And they are easy to spot, because they will listen to arguments, make some of their own, and and then change their  thinking based upon your discussions.  With a Liberal you will be back to square one the next day, as if your conversation never happened.   If its "intellectual laziness" then its willful and persistent, and like IDP, I suspect many know exactly   what they are doing and its some sort of game to them -  a sort of self-affirmation that if they can be clever with words or lies, then they have proven they are better than you - superior. Part of the master race. They have to believe that- because you are proving that they can't engage in this "conservative magic" called reasoning. They  just aren't human enough to ever comprehend the modern world - like cavemen they  learn to emulate the motions of the rest of the herd, but they don't understand any of the reasons why, they feel their inferiority and stupidty, and respond is the predictable fashion - by bullying and trying to dominate their demons.

Eric Hoffer probably wrote  the most definitive work on the psychology involved.  (http://www.amazon.com/The-True-Believer-Movements-Perennial/dp/0060505915/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1332880045&sr=1-1)
Point is,  they cannot be "fixed"  I have spent the last 12 years trying, with my own Mother, Father, Sister, Grade School friends, in countless forums, and venues.  Not once. Never. Have I ever gotten through to them and gotten them to do anything other than repeat the same platitudes,fallacies and lies. - no matter how many times I challenge them, no matter how many different tones I adopt, or methods I use, including the words and methods of others. My mother has chosen to not see her grand kids rather than to justify herself. (Not agree with me mind you - simply defend her own beliefs with logic/reasoning and facts)  You can't get them to read or discuss a book. THEY CAN'T (or WON'T) THINK.  The difference between can't and won't is irrelevant.  The only way to change a liberal's mind is with a rock, and they will never stop bullying others until that rock is used.  Its not the conclusion I had hoped for, but there it is, and soon, very soon, the coming and inevitable  Civil war will decide who wins. We have reached a point where we can no longer submit and face our children with heads held high. Liberty or Death.
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: amperfectunion on March 27, 2012, 03:54:10 PM
yeah...I've done all that.  They will change the subject every chance they get and, failing that, make personal attacks.  I attribute that more to their inability to think and articulate the reasons why they believe what they believe - or just an absence altogether of any reason.
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: Pandora on March 27, 2012, 04:45:40 PM
yeah...I've done all that.  They will change the subject every chance they get and, failing that, make personal attacks.  I attribute that more to their inability to think and articulate the reasons why they believe what they believe - or just an absence altogether of any reason.

That's right -- personal attacks; get to that point and there's no reason to ever enter into another discussion with 'em.

I have to admit, I have not been above, after long last and repeating myself, tossing the "Don't be an idiot!" at the end of my patience.
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: Predator Don on March 27, 2012, 05:06:48 PM
One can't reason with anyone who has no moral or ethical base.
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: BigAlSouth on March 27, 2012, 05:53:31 PM
One can't reason with anyone who has no moral or ethical base.

. . . or capacity or desire.

Which is easier to reason with? A rabid dog or a two year old child?

An Islamist extremist or a Palestinian rights supporter?
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: BigAlSouth on March 27, 2012, 06:01:31 PM
I think it is safe to say that he is not an apostle.

Sure.

And the only reason why I bring it up is because people have been making a point to bring up Zimmerman's past.  Not to mention lying about Zimmerman's past  The latest BS going around the internet is that Zimmerman wasn't charged because his father is a retired judge, despite having a record of violence.  Who sits at home and makes up this crap?

Someone is pushing an angle that Trayvon was shot in the back of the head. This is done to make the shooting more of an "execution" style shooting, rather than self defense. It begs the question of how does one claim self defense by shooting another in the back of the head? (Answer below > > > )

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Trayvon could have been shot in the back of the head if Zimmeman was on his back with Trayvon's head an arm's length away from Zimmeman, pummeling George's head with his fists.

Anyway, the other word is that Trayvon was shot in the chest. Either way, it does not matter to my conclusion. Zimmer was getting a royal ass beating when he pulled the trigger.

Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: Weisshaupt on March 27, 2012, 06:09:35 PM
One can't reason with anyone who has no moral or ethical base.

Oh they have an ethical base all right. Its just the ethical base typical of a five year old child's - or a hunter/gather caveman, if you prefer.
 
1) Everyone must get a cookie and share ( everyone gets a share of the hunt, everyone get a share on the berry bush we found)
2) No talking mean and include everyone ( Everyone in the tribe must be cared for)

When you are five, there is no such thing as private property - because you never worked for anything. The toys, food, clothes, etc are all provided as a windfall gain to you, hence it makes sense to share them- after all you didn't work to get them.  The harsh realities of (modern)  life and decisions of adult hood just are unknown to them and beyond their comprehension, and thus they  attempt to  reduce it to simpler rules that they can understand . (http://www.amazon.com/Really-Need-Know-Learned-Kindergarten/dp/034546639X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1332888265&sr=1-1)

Think about the conversations you have had with liberals. Now think about trying to explain those same things to a none-too-bright, spoiled rotten, 5 year old child, or a caveman transported here from the distant past. Do those conversations you have had with liberals make far more sense now?  We tell 5 years to share because  we don't want to deal with tantrums and they simply don't have the emotional maturity to deal with the "unfair" aspects of modern civilized life - like that property rights mean that the berries you found "belong" to someone, or that adults make decisions for themselves and don't just obey whatever orders the teacher (chief, government) hand down without question, or dealing with the fact that there are consequences for "bad" decisions.

Liberals have a moral code, and it works for the sort of society they want to set up- a responsibility free kindergarten where everyone "shares", everyone can see the school nurse, and  where everyone has the same  code of behavior pressed upon them from an authority figure (do, do not, musts and shalls) , and its unicorns and skittles as far as the eye can see - the hard problems are reserved for  the authority figure  to deal with.  

Remember when they complained about Bush- and wanted an "adult in charge" - its because they wanted an adult  to TAKE CHARGE  of them.  If the person in charge says "do what you want. You are on your own. You need to take care of yourselves" they react as if they were abandoned in a department store by their parents, and start crying "I want my mommy!"

You can't reason with them ethically because they are incapable of dealing with morality on an adult level. They need a simple set of rules, predictably enforced and the security of knowing someone will be there to care for them if they need it.  Right of Conscience? Freedom? Consequences? That is scary grown-up stuff ( think back - you probably remember feeling that way at times)  I just want to play with my toys.

This is why they can't be fixed or reasoned with, and why ultimately we can't cohabit in the same society. The government is a weapon, and when they get a hold of it, they wield it just like any five year old would. They point it at the adults around them and demand candy.   They NEED us to play the role a parent would - supplying them with the care they need, because they can't (or won't) supply it themselves. Even when they can provide for themselves, then then act like older siblings, demanding everyone else help them take care of the younger ones, refusing the responsibility to do it themselves ( it wouldn't be fair!) and basically seeing it as their job to boss everyone around. Even then, they still  need to know and have the security that Mom and dad will be back by 10 o'clock.

There is just no living with them. Either they need to be forced into isolated communes (orphanages for Adults)  or we need to isolate them from us some other way. If off-planet were an option, we would all already be gone. As leaving ourselves isn't an option, that is going to leave us few alternatives other than the obvious.




 
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: IronDioPriest on March 27, 2012, 06:37:41 PM
A prime requisite of being a committed Leftist is a willingness to defend the utterly indefensible at any and every turn, even in the face of contradictory facts. It is a "religious" commitment to an evil ideology that requires one to adhere to lies and proclaim them truths, no matter what.

Some of them you can even see in their eyes and hear in their voice that even they don't believe what is coming out of their mouths as the words pour forth. Yet they say the words, and believe themselves to be in the right for doing so, even as they willfully lie; the lies painted on their face.

As a Christian, I have come to see it as nothing more or less than a manifestation of the spiritual war between powers and principalities, and the Left occupying the biblical role of evil. What would the father of lies have his minions do, if not lie on his behalf?

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Isaiah 5:20
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

In other words, "woe unto liberals". That verse from Isaiah is the dictionary definition of liberalism as practiced and advanced by the committed Left.

And I make no claim to perfection or Christlikeness. I am a fallen sinner. But I do not cling to a philosophy that requires me to lie in order to promote my worldview at all costs.

The battle of Left vs Right is in the process of manifesting as the classic example of good vs evil. It is not as if it has not been known for centuries that it would be just so, sooner or later.

Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: Weisshaupt on March 27, 2012, 06:43:40 PM
A prime requisite of being a committed Leftist is a willingness to defend the utterly indefensible at any and every turn, even in the face of contradictory facts. It is a "religious" commitment to an evil ideology that requires one to adhere to lies and proclaim them truths, no matter what.

"It is obvious, therefore, that in order to be effective a doctrine must not be understood, but has to be believed in. We can be absolutely certain only about things we do not understand. A doctrine that is understood is shorn of its strength. Once we understand a thing, it is as if it had originated in us. . . . The fact that they understand a thing fully impairs its validity and certitude in their eyes." - Eric Hoffer

"all mass movements strive to impose a fact proof screen between the faithful and the realities of the world. And, that that faith becomes the things the fanatic declines to see. He avers how startling it is to realize how much unbelief is necessary to make belief possible, and that faith manifests itself not in moving mountains, but in not seeing mountains move. He say's that in the context of mass movement's faith should not be judged by its profundity, sublimity, or truth but by how thoroughly it insulates the individual from himself and the world as it is."- Eric Hoffer
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: Predator Don on March 27, 2012, 11:34:56 PM
One can't reason with anyone who has no moral or ethical base.

Oh they have an ethical base all right. Its just the ethical base typical of a five year old child's - or a hunter/gather caveman, if you prefer.
 
1) Everyone must get a cookie and share ( everyone gets a share of the hunt, everyone get a share on the berry bush we found)
2) No talking mean and include everyone ( Everyone in the tribe must be cared for)

When you are five, there is no such thing as private property - because you never worked for anything. The toys, food, clothes, etc are all provided as a windfall gain to you, hence it makes sense to share them- after all you didn't work to get them.  The harsh realities of (modern)  life and decisions of adult hood just are unknown to them and beyond their comprehension, and thus they  attempt to  reduce it to simpler rules that they can understand . (http://www.amazon.com/Really-Need-Know-Learned-Kindergarten/dp/034546639X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1332888265&sr=1-1)

Think about the conversations you have had with liberals. Now think about trying to explain those same things to a none-too-bright, spoiled rotten, 5 year old child, or a caveman transported here from the distant past. Do those conversations you have had with liberals make far more sense now?  We tell 5 years to share because  we don't want to deal with tantrums and they simply don't have the emotional maturity to deal with the "unfair" aspects of modern civilized life - like that property rights mean that the berries you found "belong" to someone, or that adults make decisions for themselves and don't just obey whatever orders the teacher (chief, government) hand down without question, or dealing with the fact that there are consequences for "bad" decisions.

Liberals have a moral code, and it works for the sort of society they want to set up- a responsibility free kindergarten where everyone "shares", everyone can see the school nurse, and  where everyone has the same  code of behavior pressed upon them from an authority figure (do, do not, musts and shalls) , and its unicorns and skittles as far as the eye can see - the hard problems are reserved for  the authority figure  to deal with.  

Remember when they complained about Bush- and wanted an "adult in charge" - its because they wanted an adult  to TAKE CHARGE  of them.  If the person in charge says "do what you want. You are on your own. You need to take care of yourselves" they react as if they were abandoned in a department store by their parents, and start crying "I want my mommy!"

You can't reason with them ethically because they are incapable of dealing with morality on an adult level. They need a simple set of rules, predictably enforced and the security of knowing someone will be there to care for them if they need it.  Right of Conscience? Freedom? Consequences? That is scary grown-up stuff ( think back - you probably remember feeling that way at times)  I just want to play with my toys.

This is why they can't be fixed or reasoned with, and why ultimately we can't cohabit in the same society. The government is a weapon, and when they get a hold of it, they wield it just like any five year old would. They point it at the adults around them and demand candy.   They NEED us to play the role a parent would - supplying them with the care they need, because they can't (or won't) supply it themselves. Even when they can provide for themselves, then then act like older siblings, demanding everyone else help them take care of the younger ones, refusing the responsibility to do it themselves ( it wouldn't be fair!) and basically seeing it as their job to boss everyone around. Even then, they still  need to know and have the security that Mom and dad will be back by 10 o'clock.

There is just no living with them. Either they need to be forced into isolated communes (orphanages for Adults)  or we need to isolate them from us some other way. If off-planet were an option, we would all already be gone. As leaving ourselves isn't an option, that is going to leave us few alternatives other than the obvious.




 

It sounds as if liberals have some sort of deficiency. The inability to grow intellectually, consider themselves intellectually superior, but revert to an attacking caveman when asked to explain thier beliefs.

Liberalism is an illness.
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: AlanS on March 28, 2012, 08:06:07 AM
Liberalism is an illness.


But are we strong enough to be the cure?
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: amperfectunion on March 28, 2012, 10:00:31 AM

Liberalism is an illness.


I personally believe it is more of a religion than an illness.
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: Weisshaupt on March 28, 2012, 10:05:26 AM

Liberalism is an illness.


I personally believe it is more of a religion than an illness.

A religion would have the occasional convert. I have yet to see one happen.
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: amperfectunion on March 28, 2012, 10:37:27 AM

A religion would have the occasional convert. I have yet to see one happen.


An illness can be fixed.  What have you ever seen that happen?

And, people are born into religion all the time.  When liberals allow them to be born, and don't murder them in the womb, that is.
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: IronDioPriest on March 28, 2012, 10:47:50 AM

Liberalism is an illness.


I personally believe it is more of a religion than an illness.

A religion would have the occasional convert. I have yet to see one happen.


I go with the religion analogy as well.

I've seen converts. I was always apathetic and ignorant into my mid 30s. But my wife was a committed liberal, raised in a union household, committed Democrat. It wasn't just a union household. Her dad was a lifelong member of the electrician's union, moved from being an electrician into union organizing, and ended his career high up the national food chain in the IBEW. She was lock, stock, and barrel.

But she and I both had awakenings, first me, then her, as I shared what I learned.

You won't find anyone more disgusted with the Left than Mrs. IDP. She repudiates everything she was taught about politics and culture growing up, but she didn't get there until her mid 30s.

I can think of many other examples of genuine conversions. Many are a lost cause. But some can be reached, and I have no aversion to changing minds when and where possible. But among the committed Left, it makes no sense to place eggs of hope in that basket.
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: amperfectunion on March 28, 2012, 11:45:21 AM
And, I believe it was either Michelle Malkin or Ann Coulter that made this point: liberalism has all the hallmarks of Baal worship from the Old Testament.

Those hallmarks are pantheism (worshiping creation instead of the creator), child sacrifice, and blatant sexual immorality.

Liberalism has the same aspect - pantheism is environmentalism and placing the welfare of people below the welfare of snail darters, child sacrifice is abortion, sacrificing them on the alter of selfishness and convenience, and blatant sexual immorality is gay marriage, free love, and forcing other people to fund your recreational sex activities by paying for your health care.

At the end of the day, it's the same old lies, told by the same old liar, just with a new wrapper on it.
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: Weisshaupt on March 28, 2012, 11:49:25 AM

A religion would have the occasional convert. I have yet to see one happen.


An illness can be fixed.  What have you ever seen that happen?

And, people are born into religion all the time.  When liberals allow them to be born, and don't murder them in the womb, that is.

If its an "illness", its genetic. In reality, I think they are the "normal" ones - obeying millions of years of evolutionary instinct to form tribes and fall in line - human sheep. Its the individualistic Free Men who are the genetic mutations- and America's frontier allowed them to escape from their tribes and build- but the gene that makes one desire freedom is obviously recessive. "Conservative is the New Gay" as they say in Hollywood. You are born that way, or you are not, and we are easy to weed out if the regime decides that would be beneficial.  I am sure it was obvious to any adult that I was an individualist  by the age of 5 - even though I tried to play the Liberal part till I was in my late 20s. Then I was exposed to actual arguments for  the first time, and started thinking. David Mamet's story is probably more the norm, than an aberration.

Its not a religion.. but I agree religious fervor plays a part.. the cavemen know, either consciously or unconsciously that we have out-evolved them. They know they cannot play and succeed as an individual- they cannot play and win our game - and Hoffer's hypothesis of trying to escape the failed-self I think is valid, but you can't fix them because, genetically, they simply cannot deal with life outside of a tribe.
 
This is why the French Revolution went the way it did, and the American the opposite. The French had a society dominated  by  cavemen and the ethics of tribes, and  we had a society formed largely by self-selection and  dominated by Free Men, and as such, established a government under what was basically a new set of ethics. Now 200 years later, the cavemen among us are chafing under those rules, because they are simply beyond what their brains can comprehend and understand, and they are constantly pushing to "reform" our government back to something they do understand.

To the liberal/caveman mind, individual freedom is not desirable- its terrifying.  To the Liberal caveman mind, promises and contracts are meaningless -  Might Makes Right is the only  rule they understand. To a liberal-caveman mind, wealth is found and not created, and property rights are absurd and meaningless  abstractions - stories we tell to justify "hoarding" the wealth we "found" from them. Individual sacrifice, Individual decision making and individual responsibility violate all they feel is moral or right. Your sacrifices  are dictated by the tribe - even if it is your first born. You act in concert with the tribe, or you are outcast and have no rights. The tribe has the responsibility  for the care of the tribe - no member  is ever  personally responsible  - an evolutionary safety in numbers that is a cardinal rule of the human sheep.

Its not quite Eloi and Morlocks, but it might as well be. H.G. Wells was a Socialist, but he also saw two distinct species. To him, we were the "uncivilized" exploiters of the "found wealth", and to use they are the "uncivilized barbarians" demanding an unearned  tribute under threat of force.  The point is we are two civilizations, trying to co-exist in the same geographic area, and quite frankly -the cavemen- can't understand co-existence. You are part of the tribe or you are not. They are never "american" - they are "African-American", "Hispanic-American" etc - Always the tribe comes first, and they see the government as a tribal structure - as a family - not a separate institution in which free men or separate tribes can  participate. (Getting a liberal to understand Federalism is impossible. There is only one leader in a tribe!)

Peaceful co-existence is impossible, because cavemen won't allow it. We must either fight them off, viciously  and with out mercy, or we must submit to being the slaves of the tribe- kept and tolerated for our usefulness as the best "finders of wealth"  - but never full members of the tribe - we can't be, because we don't share their values.

The problem comes with classifying the Democratic leadership- the tribal chieftains.. Obviously there are liberals who are successful "finders or wealth" - and these I can only conclude are Free Men like us, but without a moral compass - or who have bought wholeheartedly into the tribal ethical system with religious fervor as their main driver. Regardless of motivations, they  manipulate the tribe to gain power and influence for themselves. -  like the Pigs of Animal Farm.

 Richard Dawkins wrote a book called "The Selfish Gene" (know your enemy) - and in it he talked about "Suckers", "Cheaters" and "Grudgers" - Suckers are the average caveman-Democrat. The Cheaters are those who wish to exploit those cavemen -Free Men who proclaim themselves the chieftains and leaders of the tribes. The grudgers are freemen, born as Suckers who have been cheated and who are never going to allow that to happen again.  The cheaters assume that any free-men grudgers they might meet are really cheaters like themselves - and hence all of the projection you see from the left.  They simply assume your goal is to form tribes of suckers and get wealth and power from them, because that is what their goal is. Grudgers, however, have different goals, foremost among them to be "left alone"  - The "Cheaters" are your only potential converts, and they have good reasons - wealth and power, for not converting.  Jesse Jackson comes to mind as an excellent example.

Maybe its a combination of two genes-- one conferring the ability to think producing the cheater.  Another gene may confer the desire to be outside the tribe - an individual.  That of course implies there is a  group of people who can't think, but desire freedom, but maybe there is a genetic dependency that prevents that or makes it very rare.  At least, I don't run into them - nor would I expect them to  survive long ... .

Its a long way to provide this point I know. I just don't believe you can "fix them"  and we have to come to grips with that and decide what we are going to do in that circumstance, because all the options I see are pretty damn unpleasant and undesirable.
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: amperfectunion on March 28, 2012, 12:03:34 PM
Richard Dawkins wrote a book called "The Selfish Gene" (know your enemy) - and in it he talked about "Suckers", "Cheaters" and "Grudgers" - Suckers are the average caveman-Democrat. The Cheaters are those who wish to exploit those cavemen -Free Men who proclaim themselves the chieftains and leaders of the tribes. The grudgers are freemen, born as Suckers who have been cheated and who are never going to allow that to happen again.  The cheaters assume that any free-men grudgers they might meet are really cheaters like themselves - and hence all of the projection you see from the left.  They simply assume your goal is to form tribes of suckers and get wealth and power from them, because that is what their goal is. Grudgers, however, have different goals, foremost among them to be "left alone"  - The "Cheaters" are your only potential converts, and they have good reasons - wealth and power, for not converting.  Jesse Jackson comes to mind as an excellent example.

You know, I could have gone my entire life, and I would have never expected to hear Dawkins articulate conservatism as artfully as he did here.  I realize you are the one making connections to the modern-day American political landscape, but Dawkins must've just been stumbling into it by accident.
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: Predator Don on March 28, 2012, 12:20:33 PM
I'm inclined to believe it is a combination. It could be a religion, illness or incurable disease. It is both niave and evil. The trait they do not share is sincerety. My parents were democrats decades ago, but changed thier alligience in the 80's. They were sincere. They changed.

Liberal democrats are incapable of sincerity. Thier minds are scortched, they are reprobates. The names pelosi, reid, gore, obama, clinton, are thier ringleaders. Their minions are the unions. Thier prophets are alinski, wright, jackson, farrakhan (sp) and sharpton. They possess the power and influence to control the weak (aka rick warren). They have many more. So they can pass as religion, as disease, as illness.

But the sincere...they can escape. Searching out the sincere is difficult, but they are there.
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: Weisshaupt on March 28, 2012, 01:01:41 PM
  I realize you are the one making connections to the modern-day American political landscape, but Dawkins must've just been stumbling into it by accident.

Wish I could take credit for the connection. It was Tom Baugh, Author of Starving the Monkeys  (http://www.starvingthemonkeys.com/)

Truth is where you find it.

Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: benb61 on March 28, 2012, 01:16:00 PM
What I find funny (not in a Ha Ha kind of way) is that all the race baiters are calling for JUSTICE!  Just what is going to happen if the Grand Jury hears the testimony and declares Zimmerman was in the right to defend himself and no charges are filed.  Justice would have been served but it's not the justice they want.
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: amperfectunion on March 28, 2012, 01:33:27 PM
Here's the latest:

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/03/28/sanford-police-originally-wanted-to-charge-zimmerman/ (http://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/03/28/sanford-police-originally-wanted-to-charge-zimmerman/)

"SANFORD (CBSMiami) – New information now contradicts Sanford police chief’s initial claims that there wasn’t enough probable cause to arrest George Zimmerman in the murder of 17-year old Trayvon Martin."

Unsurprisingly, the more facts come out, the less this looks like racism, and the more the lying, race-baiting hacks look like lying, race-baiting hacks.
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: Predator Don on March 28, 2012, 02:11:07 PM
What???? No claim of hate crime???? The race baiters are not on thier game.

What a sad way to die...gunned down while beating someone to death on the ground.

Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: Libertas on March 29, 2012, 07:43:21 AM
What???? No claim of hate crime???? The race baiters are not on thier game.

What a sad way to die...gunned down while beating someone to death on the ground.



 ::thumbsup::
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: BigAlSouth on April 01, 2012, 07:04:16 AM
Now, more facts are being released to fill in the one minute gap between Zimmerman's call to 911 and the time Trayvon was shot:

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The Sentinel said there was about a minute gap, during which police say they don’t know what happened.

The Sentinel said Zimmerman left his SUV, looked for the ‘suspicious person,’ and when he could not spot him, walked back to his SUV. He claims Trayvon approached him from the right rear, and started a confrontation.

Trayvon asked Zimmerman if he had a problem, police were told.  Zimmerman said no and reached for his cell phone, he told police.

He claims Trayvon then said, “Well, you do now” or something like that and punched Zimmerman in the nose.

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/03/26/source-offers-newspaper-new-details-of-zimmermans-self-defense-claim/ (http://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/03/26/source-offers-newspaper-new-details-of-zimmermans-self-defense-claim/)

As I have said previously, I believe Trayvon started a physical confrontation with Zimmerman, resulting in a sucker punch to George's nose, knocking him down. Trayvon then pummeled him until Zimmerman was able to reach his handgun, all the while yelling "Get him off me! Get him off me!"
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: IronDioPriest on April 01, 2012, 08:45:12 AM
People demanding Zimmerman's arrest also keep saying he pursued Martin after the 911 dispatcher told him not to. But  the audio says, "Are you following him?" "Yes." "OK, we don't need you to do that." "OK."

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Zimmerman:
We’ve had some break-ins in my neighborhood and there’s a real suspicious guy. It’s Retreat View Circle. The best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle.

This guy looks like he’s up to no good or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around looking about. [00:25]

911 dispatcher:
OK, is he White, Black, or Hispanic?

Zimmerman:
He looks black.

911 dispatcher:
Did you see what he was wearing?

Zimmerman:
Yeah, a dark hoodie like a gray hoodie. He wore jeans or sweat pants and white tennis shoes. He’s here now … he’s just staring. [00:42]

911 dispatcher:
He’s just walking around the area, the houses? OK.

Zimmerman:
Now he’s staring at me. [00:48]

911 dispatcher:
OK, you said that’s 1111 Retreat View or 111?

Zimmerman:
That’s the clubhouse.

911 dispatcher:
He’s near the clubhouse now?

Zimmerman:
Yeah, now he’s coming toward me. He’s got his hands in his waist band.
And he’s a black male.[1:03]

911 dispatcher:
How old would you say he is?

Zimmerman:
He’s got something on his shirt. About like his late teens.

911 dispatcher:
Late teens?

Zimmerman:
Uh, huh.
Something’s wrong with him. Yep, he’s coming to check me out.
He’s got something in his hands. I don’t know what his deal is. [01:20]

911 dispatcher:
Let me know if he does anything, OK?

Zimmerman:
OK.

911 dispatcher:
We’ve got him on the wire. Just let me know if this guy does anything else.

Zimmerman:
OK.
These assholes. They always get away.
When you come to the clubhouse, you come straight in and you go left. Actually, you would go past the clubhouse. [1:39]

911 dispatcher:
OK, so it’s on the left hand side of the clubhouse?

Zimmerman:
Yeah. You go in straight through the entrance and then you would go left. You go straight in, don’t turn and make a left.
He’s running. [2:08]

911 dispatcher:
He’s running? Which way is he running?

Zimmerman:
Down toward the other entrance of the neighborhood. [2:14]

911 dispatcher:
OK, which entrance is that he’s headed towards?

Zimmerman:
The back entrance.
[It sounds like Zimmerman says under his breath, ‘F-ing coons’ at 2:22]

911 dispatcher:
Are you following him? [2:24]

Zimmerman:
Yeah. [2:25]

911 dispatcher:

OK. We don’t need you to do that. [2:26]

Zimmerman:
OK. [2:28]

911 dispatcher:
Alright, sir, what is your name? [2:34]

Zimmerman:
George. He ran.

911 dispatcher:
Alright, George, what’s your last name?

Zimmerman:
Zimmerman.

911 dispatcher:
What’s the phone number you’re calling from?

Zimmerman:
407-435-2400

911 dispatcher:
Alright, George, we do have them on the way. Do you want to meet with the officer when they get out there?

Zimmerman:
Yeah.

911 dispatcher:
Alright, where are you going to meet with them at?

Zimmerman:
Um, if they come in through the gate, tell them to go straight past the clubhouse and, uh, straight past the clubhouse and make a left and then go past the mailboxes you’ll see my truck. [3:10]

911 dispatcher:
Alright, what address are you parked in front of? [3:21]

Zimmerman:
Um, I don’t know. It’s a cut-through so I don’t know the address. [3:25]

911 dispatcher:
OK, do you live in the area?

Zimmerman:
Yeah, yeah, I live here.

911 dispatcher:
OK, what’s your apartment number?

Zimmerman:
It’s a home. It’s 1950 – oh, crap, I don’t want to give it out – I don’t know where this kid is [inaudible] [3:40]

911 dispatcher:
OK, do you just want to meet with them at the mailboxes then? [3:42]

Zimmerman:
Yeah, that’s fine. [3:43]

911 dispatcher:
Alright, George, I’ll let them know you’ll meet them at …

Zimmerman:
Could you have them call me and I’ll tell them where I’m at? [3:49]

911 dispatcher:
OK, that’s no problem.

Zimmerman:
My number … you’ve got it?

911 dispatcher:
Yeah, I’ve got it. 435-2400?

Zimmerman:
Yeah, you got it.

911 dispatcher:
OK, no problem. I’ll let them know to call you when they’re in the area. [4:02]

Zimmerman:
Thanks.

911 dispatcher:
You’re welcome.

Call ends 4:07


Zimmerman says OK, when they tell him he doesn't need to follow. That would indicate he was following instructions. Up to that point, he's saying, "They always get away," and "He's running now," indicating that he's following and relaying the info to the dispatcher, but when the dispatcher says you don't need to follow, Zimmerman says, "OK".

Also, it seems clear from the audio that Martin is menacing. He spots Zimmerman looking at him, and it seems for several seconds that Martin is sizing up the situation, deciding what to do, and then bolts, at which time Zimmerman pursues. Then dispatchers tell him to stop pursuing, and he says "OK".

Then you have Martin's report that he was attacked as he went back to his vehicle. You have the 13 year old eyewitness whose name was outed by ABC that says he saw Martin on top of Zimmerman pummeling him as he screamed.

I'd say that based on all this, it seems quite obvious exactly why the police did not arrest George Zimmerman. I would also say that unless new facts come to light, or unless the efforts to politicize this incident are successful, George Zimmerman should not and will not be arrested.
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: Glock32 on April 01, 2012, 11:03:22 AM
Yes, but the Democrat-Media Complex -- with Obama giving them the green light -- has laid down its marker: either you crucify Zimmerman (who cares if he is actually guilty of anything or not) or we sic our mobs on you in cities all over the country. It's a sick, sick state of affairs. They honestly cannot comprehend the fire they are playing with by replacing the Rule of Law with the Rule of Mobs.

This is the country we live in now. This is what "social justice" looks like. A mere sneak preview of what life will be like if the O-Bots are allowed to complete their fundamental transformation.
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: Pandora on April 01, 2012, 01:03:15 PM
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I'd say that based on all this, it seems quite obvious exactly why the police did not arrest George Zimmerman.

They DID (http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/trayvon-martin-case-exclusive-surveillance-video-george-zimmerman/story?id=16022897#.T3R44GEgfON) arrest him. 

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The surveillance video, which was obtained exclusively by ABC News, shows Zimmerman arriving in a police cruiser. As he exits the car, his hands are cuffed behind his back. Zimmerman is frisked and then led down a series of hallways, still cuffed.

...

The initial police report noted that Zimmerman was bleeding from the back of the head and nose, and after medical attention it was decided that he was in good enough condition to travel in a police cruiser to the Sanford, Fla., police station for questioning.

If you are in handcuffs, in police custody, you're arrested.

They just didn't book him because they didn't charge him with anything.
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: BigAlSouth on April 01, 2012, 01:21:59 PM
Check out related thread regarding NBC selectively editing the 911 tapes:

Shocka

http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,5352.0.html (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,5352.0.html)
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: charlesoakwood on April 01, 2012, 02:01:30 PM
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I'd say that based on all this, it seems quite obvious exactly why the police did not arrest George Zimmerman.

They DID (http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/trayvon-martin-case-exclusive-surveillance-video-george-zimmerman/story?id=16022897#.T3R44GEgfON) arrest him.  

. If you are in handcuffs, in police custody, you're arrested.

They just didn't book him because they didn't charge him with anything.
[/quote]



From the link:  "Zimmerman was not arrested although ABC News has learned that the lead homicide investigator filed an affidavit..."

Is it possible that in custody is not an arrest?  Or is it just another stupid reporter pull words out of, ah,,, thin air?




 
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: Pandora on April 01, 2012, 02:12:45 PM
I'd say stupid reporter, with an agenda, playing semantics.

If I'm handcuffed and transported by the cops to police HQ for questioning, in other words, not permitted to leave until they say so, I'm arrested.

What?  What about "detained for questioning"?  Can you leave without permission?  No?  Then, you're arrested.
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: IronDioPriest on April 01, 2012, 02:47:50 PM
Good point Pan, I said arrested when I should have said charged.
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: Pandora on April 01, 2012, 03:04:52 PM
Good point Pan, I said arrested when I should have said charged.

It's a misstatement I've been hearing and reading in many places, made by many people who either aren't aware of the facts or who are deliberately obfuscating them.  Your comment was a natural and convenient vehicle by which to state what I've been thinking every time I read pieces by those screaming for "justice".

Look just at the ABC piece for a prime example.  There is police surveillance video showing Zimmerman exiting a police car, at the cop-shop, in handcuffs, and then the writer has the nerve to state "Zimmerman was not arrested ....".

Who you gonna believe, the writer or your lyin' eyes?  There was a time I would have given the benefit of the doubt to an author who presented such a juxtaposition -- and maybe he deserves it, semantics and legal word-twisting being what they are -- but not anymore.
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: amperfectunion on April 01, 2012, 03:58:01 PM
And yet another eyewitness comes forward:

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/neighbor-defends-george-zimmerman-03302012 (http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/neighbor-defends-george-zimmerman-03302012)

""I saw George. He was banged up. His head had two big bandages, that weren't flat, had a bump on them," the neighbor, who did not want to be identified, said."

Every day that goes by, more and more evidence comes to light that supports Zimmerman's account.

And, the most convincing evidence for me?  That fact that Zimmerman hasn't changed his story once since he gave his account to the police and that it continues to be confirmed by every new fact that we learn.  When people lie about things like this, they change their story to account for facts that come out that don't jive with their story.  That hasn't happened here, at all.
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: IronDioPriest on April 01, 2012, 05:17:41 PM
....And, the most convincing evidence for me?  That fact that Zimmerman hasn't changed his story once since he gave his account to the police and that it continues to be confirmed by every new fact that we learn.  When people lie about things like this, they change their story to account for facts that come out that don't jive with their story.  That hasn't happened here, at all.

I say this with only a tinge of sarcasm in response to your serious and more accurate assessment: For me, the most convincing evidence of Zimmerman's lack of guilt is the fact that Jackson, Sharpton, Farrakhan, and Obama are stirring the racial-grievance pot.

Nothing screams that a man accused of White-on-Black hate crime is innocent like the "Reverend" twins, Calypso Louie, and the Cynic-in-Chief each doing what they can to turn Americans against one another based on skin color.
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: Glock32 on April 01, 2012, 05:45:06 PM
Another thing that makes me doubt Zimmerman was a "vigilante" is that he was in constant communication with the police in the several minutes leading up to this. Would one intent on dealing out vigilante justice do so right after hanging up the phone with the police, and with the knowledge that officers were already responding and would be on the scene any minute?
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: warpmine on April 01, 2012, 10:40:53 PM
Another thing that makes me doubt Zimmerman was a "vigilante" is that he was in constant communication with the police in the several minutes leading up to this. Would one intent on dealing out vigilante justice do so right after hanging up the phone with the police, and with the knowledge that officers were already responding and would be on the scene any minute?
Hey, stop right there, Glock. You're confusing the issue by introducing logic into the analysis, stop it, just stop it! ::thinking::
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: trapeze on April 01, 2012, 11:14:21 PM
The thing to remember about all this is the trial of the four LAPD officers accused of beating Rodney King. They were tried in state court and none of them were found guilty. What followed was 6 days of rioting that left over fifty people dead and somewhere north of a billion dollars of damage.

The usual suspects are demanding that Mr. Zimmerman be arrested (even though they mean charged) for the death of Martin. They are presupposing that Zimmerman will be found guilty. What happens if he is found not guilty or innocent? Will the usual suspects start rioting in a fashion similar to the 1992 LA riots? Is that the ultimate goal?

We do seem to be seeing the groundwork laid for such an event.
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: Libertas on April 02, 2012, 07:31:27 AM
G has it nailed, the "Democrat-Media Complex" only released edited segments of the police call to purposely skew the view of Zimmerman as a stalker bent upon murder despite police instruction to back off, but he did back off, he was attacked and he defended himself and Martin is dead and Zimmerman was detained, those are the facts, but you would never know that from the Democrat-Media Complex (DMC)!  And Trap, the race-baiters do want a confrontation, they see a race war, even if based upon a lie, as a good thing for them!  And I would expect the retribution coming to that NAACP guy who spoke out against the race-baiters and the few others speaking out is already underway.  These people are sick, twisted and evil...but they a progressive far-left democrats, so I am repeating myself.

Part of me says "Screw 'em, you really want to start a war?  Really, you want to go there?!"...

Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: BigAlSouth on April 02, 2012, 10:35:20 AM
Libs "But I want Zimmerman to be a racist . . .".
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: Libertas on April 02, 2012, 11:35:27 AM
Libs "But I want Zimmerman to be a racist . . .".

"...and I want Martin to be a sweet young innocent boy"!

That's strike one and strike two!  And strike three is all the race-baiters pushing lies!

Theeeeey're  OUT!

 ::asskicking::
Title: AMPU - Trayvon Martin, Revisited
Post by: amperfectunion on April 02, 2012, 12:04:08 PM
Hey folks, latest article is up, called "Trayvon Martin, Revisited."

"I’d like to spend some time talking about this issue again, because over the weekend some more facts came to light that lend even more strength to Zimmerman’s account of what happened.  I’ve probably already mentioned all of this one way or another in various posts I’ve made to my facebook page, but I figured now is a good time to get it all down in one place."

http://amostperfectunion.com/ampu/archives/art37.htm (http://amostperfectunion.com/ampu/archives/art37.htm)

Enjoy!
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin
Post by: amperfectunion on April 02, 2012, 12:05:23 PM
Another thing that makes me doubt Zimmerman was a "vigilante" is that he was in constant communication with the police in the several minutes leading up to this. Would one intent on dealing out vigilante justice do so right after hanging up the phone with the police, and with the knowledge that officers were already responding and would be on the scene any minute?

An excellent point.
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin, Revisited
Post by: Libertas on April 02, 2012, 01:59:20 PM
Yup, good question, how long will they get away with it?  Not much longer, people are catching onto their game, and we can thank the Andrew Breitbart's of the world and a vigilant conservative core for that!  Isn't is amazing that the Democratic-Media Complex continues to operate as though they can get away with it?!

Look at ABC back-peddle!  Once the cat is out of the bag, it is harder for them to manufacture a race war they think is to their advantage!

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/04/02/ABC-Enhanced-Video-Zimmerman (http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/04/02/ABC-Enhanced-Video-Zimmerman)

These people are beneath contempt, their days are numbered!
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin, Revisited
Post by: Pandora on April 03, 2012, 09:49:12 AM
Hey folks, latest article is up, called "Trayvon Martin, Revisited."

"I’d like to spend some time talking about this issue again, because over the weekend some more facts came to light that lend even more strength to Zimmerman’s account of what happened.  I’ve probably already mentioned all of this one way or another in various posts I’ve made to my facebook page, but I figured now is a good time to get it all down in one place."

http://amostperfectunion.com/ampu/archives/art37.htm (http://amostperfectunion.com/ampu/archives/art37.htm)

Enjoy!

Another lie debunked (http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2012/04/as-the-trayvon-martin-walkbacks-threaten-to-become-a-stampede.html):

Quote
And the NY Times has quashed the "Large Scary Man Chasing Helpless Child" meme with the news that Zimmerman weighed 170 pounds and Martin weighed 150.  Oops.  Obviously, this makes Zimmerman's self-defense story more plausible, as even Charles Blow should admit.

Heckuva job by the media.  We may have race riots in Florida so I hope they enjoyed their time on the fashionable side of this story.

H/T Gateway Pundit
Title: Re: AMPU - Travycon Martin and Revisited
Post by: amperfectunion on April 05, 2012, 10:01:48 AM
WELL WELL WELL.  CNN has "magically" enhanced the 911 call Zimmerman made, and now, it sounds like he's saying "effing cold" instead of "effing c**ns"

I wonder why this level of care wasn't applied the FIRST time the tape was analyzed?  Why didn't people wait to report on the tape until a cleaner version was available that was easier to understand?

Because the false racial narrative was met by the first recording, so all analysis stopped.  Now, the truth comes out.  Every day that goes by, what we were told about why Trayvon was shot is more and more exposed as lies.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/cnn-enhances-zimmerman-911-call-again-and-reporter-now-doubts-racial-slur-used/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/cnn-enhances-zimmerman-911-call-again-and-reporter-now-doubts-racial-slur-used/)
Title: Re: AMPU - Travycon Martin and Revisited
Post by: Libertas on April 05, 2012, 11:13:10 AM
That won't stop the race-baiting Democrat-Media Complex from going on about business as usual...
Title: Re: AMPU - Travycon Martin and Revisited
Post by: amperfectunion on April 05, 2012, 11:16:26 AM
That won't stop the race-baiting Democrat-Media Complex from going on about business as usual...

Maybe.

This this is unraveling just like Tawana Brawley and the Duke Lacrosse case.  They might go on as usual, but they'll have to find a different story to lie to us about.
Title: Re: AMPU - Travycon Martin and Revisited
Post by: Libertas on April 05, 2012, 11:44:45 AM
That won't stop the race-baiting Democrat-Media Complex from going on about business as usual...

Maybe.

This this is unraveling just like Tawana Brawley and the Duke Lacrosse case.  They might go on as usual, but they'll have to find a different story to lie to us about.

Yup.  You can't fix sick, twisted and evil...you can only hope to defeat it!  The battle rages on...
Title: Re: AMPU - Travycon Martin and Revisited
Post by: Pandora on April 05, 2012, 11:54:12 AM
That won't stop the race-baiting Democrat-Media Complex from going on about business as usual...

Maybe.

This this is unraveling just like Tawana Brawley and the Duke Lacrosse case.  They might go on as usual, but they'll have to find a different story to lie to us about.

Yup.  You can't fix sick, twisted and evil...you can only hope to defeat it!  The battle rages on...

Their work is done re: Martin anyway.  The Panthers are on the warpath and OWS has another reason to rev up again this Spring, not to mention the other "Justice for Trayvon" groups who are vocal and visible.

No matter what happens now, Trayvon Martin" is part of the narrative and reason for unrest.
Title: Re: AMPU - Travycon Martin and Revisited
Post by: amperfectunion on April 05, 2012, 12:24:51 PM
That won't stop the race-baiting Democrat-Media Complex from going on about business as usual...

Maybe.

This this is unraveling just like Tawana Brawley and the Duke Lacrosse case.  They might go on as usual, but they'll have to find a different story to lie to us about.

Yup.  You can't fix sick, twisted and evil...you can only hope to defeat it!  The battle rages on...

Their work is done re: Martin anyway.  The Panthers are on the warpath and OWS has another reason to rev up again this Spring, not to mention the other "Justice for Trayvon" groups who are vocal and visible.

No matter what happens now, Trayvon Martin" is part of the narrative and reason for unrest.

Yeah, I was thinking about this.  It worries me.  I think blacks, if they continue to keep getting suckered by stuff like this, really risk permanently marginalizing themselves in our society.  Who is going to want to be associated with them in any way if they fear some slick reverend's ability to turn them into a violent mob at the drop of a hat?  Look at what typifies black culture - violence, drug use, crime, misogyny, having children outside of wedlock, dependence, entitlement, and blaming everyone else for everything wrong in your life.  Who wants to be associated with that if they don't have to be?

It's just so ironic.  Blacks were kept on the margins of society by our laws for many decades...and now, they're keeping themselves there of their own free will.  Talk about insane.
Title: Re: AMPU - Travycon Martin and Revisited
Post by: benb61 on April 05, 2012, 12:52:28 PM
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I think blacks, if they continue to keep getting suckered by stuff like this, really risk permanently marginalizing themselves in our society.  Who is going to want to be associated with them in any way if they fear some slick reverend's ability to turn them into a violent mob at the drop of a hat?

I think this is really sad, I'm an engineer and I have worked with some really bright and hard working African-Americans (that were conservatives too, by the way) that would not have any of this trash.  They try to disassociate themselves from this kind of group think, but still have family that either will not or can not, and it causes them problems at home.  It makes me wonder what percentage of that community actually feel discriminated against and are willing to cause unrest.  I'm sure it is a high percentage.
Title: Re: AMPU - Travycon Martin and Revisited
Post by: amperfectunion on April 05, 2012, 01:01:24 PM
Quote
I think blacks, if they continue to keep getting suckered by stuff like this, really risk permanently marginalizing themselves in our society.  Who is going to want to be associated with them in any way if they fear some slick reverend's ability to turn them into a violent mob at the drop of a hat?

I think this is really sad, I'm an engineer and I have worked with some really bright and hard working African-Americans (that were conservatives too, by the way) that would not have any of this trash.  They try to disassociate themselves from this kind of group think, but still have family that either will not or can not, and it causes them problems at home.  It makes me wonder what percentage of that community actually feel discriminated against and are willing to cause unrest.  I'm sure it is a high percentage.

All you have to look at is the LA Riots in 1992 to answer your question, I believe.
Title: Re: AMPU - Travycon Martin and Revisited
Post by: Libertas on April 05, 2012, 02:20:18 PM
Well if Shabazz or any other racist/terrorist Hadji bastard wants to have their ticket to hell punched I hope it gets recorded clearly and posted online before the Democrat-Media Complex can edit the sh*t out of it and gin-up more racist BS!
Title: Re: AMPU - Travycon Martin and Revisited
Post by: Predator Don on April 05, 2012, 04:48:09 PM
Coon.....yea, I said it. I used to have a coon dog too.
Title: Re: AMPU - Travycon Martin and Revisited
Post by: Pandora on April 05, 2012, 05:28:32 PM
Coon.....yea, I said it. I used to have a coon dog too.

Good for you.

Rush danced all 'round the word today - wouldn't say it.

Unless one knew ahead of time what he was referring to, you may still be in the dark.  We can't even talk plainly with each other anymore - talk about "code words".

This is the country we live in now.
Title: Re: AMPU - Travycon Martin and Revisited
Post by: Glock32 on April 05, 2012, 06:52:28 PM
Coon.....yea, I said it. I used to have a coon dog too.

Good for you.

Rush danced all 'round the word today - wouldn't say it.

Unless one knew ahead of time what he was referring to, you may still be in the dark.  We can't even talk plainly with each other anymore - talk about "code words".

This is the country we live in now.

Talk about being on the same wavelength. I heard this segment of the show while I was driving, and I must admit I felt a profound sense of despair. The "Right" in this country has fully digested so many of the Left's premises that I have doubts that it is even capable of doing any such thing as saving this republic.

Disintegration is the only hope anymore, IMO.
Title: Re: AMPU - Travycon Martin and Revisited
Post by: Predator Don on April 06, 2012, 05:05:17 PM
 I heard Rush. I don't appreciate when words are used in a derogatory manner, but the topic of discussion was whether Zimmerman uttered a racial slur, so saying the word "coon" within the context of the discussion is in no way racial....Or shouldn't be. But you know you've lost the narrative when coon can't be uttered unless you want to be labeled a racist.

So I guess when I posted "coon dog" I must be a racist.
Title: Re: AMPU - Travycon Martin and Revisited
Post by: Pandora on April 06, 2012, 05:28:57 PM
I heard Rush. I don't appreciate when words are used in a derogatory manner, but the topic of discussion was whether Zimmerman uttered a racial slur, so saying the word "coon" within the context of the discussion is in no way racial....Or shouldn't be. But you know you've lost the narrative when coon can't be uttered unless you want to be labeled a racist.

So I guess when I posted "coon dog" I must be a racist.

Yes.  But we already know that about you.  ::stirpot::

I hate to admit it, but I suspect Rush is gun-shy now about any word that's going to get the Left screaming.
Title: Re: AMPU - Travycon Martin and Revisited
Post by: Predator Don on April 06, 2012, 05:45:14 PM
I heard Rush. I don't appreciate when words are used in a derogatory manner, but the topic of discussion was whether Zimmerman uttered a racial slur, so saying the word "coon" within the context of the discussion is in no way racial....Or shouldn't be. But you know you've lost the narrative when coon can't be uttered unless you want to be labeled a racist.

So I guess when I posted "coon dog" I must be a racist.

Yes.  But we already know that about you.  ::stirpot::

I hate to admit it, but I suspect Rush is gun-shy now about any word that's going to get the Left screaming.


I admit, when we lose the narrative on subjects like using the word "coon", I find ways to purposely use it. Like last nite, at the Preds game, I saw an old college friend and commented I hadn't saw him in a "coons age". Purposely....for more than one to hear. It's amazing how many times one can use a word when given the opportunity.

 I had a (rac)coon in my garbage (not really), I've been coon hunting this week (not really), I saw a (rac)coon on an island while fishing (not really).....I even mentioned we might have had a squirrel or coon in the attic.
Title: Re: AMPU - Travycon Martin and Revisited
Post by: Sectionhand on April 07, 2012, 04:51:28 AM
Don , you tell a great story . You're a real (rac)coon(teur) !  ;D
Title: Re: AMPU - Travycon Martin and Revisited
Post by: charlesoakwood on April 07, 2012, 10:12:14 AM

We shouldn't forget our Coonass friends from Louisiana.
Title: Re: AMPU - Travycon Martin and Revisited
Post by: IronDioPriest on April 07, 2012, 10:28:32 AM
We have a suburb a few towns over called Coon Rapids.

(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p98/IronDioPriest/sw50sw8sw578.gif)
Title: Re: AMPU - Travycon Martin and Revisited
Post by: Libertas on April 09, 2012, 06:35:00 AM
We have a suburb a few towns over called Coon Rapids.

(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p98/IronDioPriest/sw50sw8sw578.gif)

I lived in Coon Rapids some years back for about a decade.  I've probably said "coon" a million times!

ETA - Can't remember how many times I experienced the pause and forced politelness when dealing with customer service rep's of African origin when I give them my address.
 ::)
Title: Re: AMPU - Travycon Martin and Revisited
Post by: Libertas on April 09, 2012, 06:40:05 AM

We shouldn't forget our Coonass friends from Louisiana.


Heh, and don't confuse them with Cajun, them folks don't mix well if ya know what I mean!
Title: Re: AMPU - Travycon Martin and Revisited
Post by: amperfectunion on April 20, 2012, 09:52:59 AM
And in an ABC news exclusive, a photo of Zimmerman three minutes after he shot Trayvon is aired as part of this video.

Talk about a complete 180 for the new station who declared him injury-free.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-case-exclusive-photo-shows-bloodied-back/story?id=16177849#.T5F2mLNI_KN (http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-case-exclusive-photo-shows-bloodied-back/story?id=16177849#.T5F2mLNI_KN)
Title: Re: AMPU - Travycon Martin and Revisited
Post by: Pandora on April 20, 2012, 10:10:59 AM
Hah!  They're covering their heinies now.
Title: Re: AMPU - Travycon Martin and Revisited
Post by: amperfectunion on April 20, 2012, 10:14:10 AM
Hah!  They're covering their heinies now.

Exactly right.
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin and Revisited
Post by: IronDioPriest on April 20, 2012, 10:47:21 AM
Hah!  They're covering their heinies now.

Exactly right.

Indeed. They outright lied, and it was libelous.
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin and Revisited
Post by: amperfectunion on April 20, 2012, 10:55:25 AM
Hah!  They're covering their heinies now.

Exactly right.

Indeed. They outright lied, and it was libelous.

Richard Jewell is probably a millionaire now.  I'm predicting that by this time next year, Zimmerman will be, too.
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin and Revisited
Post by: Libertas on April 20, 2012, 11:25:03 AM
Hah!  They're covering their heinies now.

They don't have enough wrap for that ass!

(edited by IDP, trying to fix title typo going forward)
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin and Revisited
Post by: IronDioPriest on April 20, 2012, 11:30:13 AM
...Richard Jewell is probably a millionaire now.  I'm predicting that by this time next year, Zimmerman will be, too.

Yeah, problem is, he'll probably have to change his identity and move. He'll never be able to live his life with a feeling of security.
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin and Revisited
Post by: amperfectunion on April 20, 2012, 11:38:37 AM
...Richard Jewell is probably a millionaire now.  I'm predicting that by this time next year, Zimmerman will be, too.

Yeah, problem is, he'll probably have to change his identity and move. He'll never be able to live his life with a feeling of security.

I tell ya, if this were me, I'd have not moved, and would have just surrounded by house with Hesco barriers and concertina wire with a sign outside that said "Bring it."
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin and Revisited
Post by: Pandora on April 20, 2012, 11:40:31 AM
Hah!  They're covering their heinies now.

Exactly right.

Indeed. They outright lied, and it was libelous.

Richard Jewell is probably a millionaire now.  I'm predicting that by this time next year, Zimmerman will be, too.

Richard Jewell is dead.  I attribute his premature death to the stress.  I wish better than that for George Zimmerman.
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin and Revisited
Post by: amperfectunion on April 20, 2012, 11:43:41 AM
He had kidney failure and severe heart disease as a result of diabetes.  If I had to guess, I'd say it was Type II diabetes, which means he had it as a result of his eating habits.  That's a pretty big stretch to blame all that on the media.
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin and Revisited
Post by: Pandora on April 20, 2012, 11:46:44 AM
He had kidney failure and severe heart disease as a result of diabetes.  If I had to guess, I'd say it was Type II diabetes, which means he had it as a result of his eating habits.  That's a pretty big stretch to blame all that on the media.

Maybe so.  But I prefer to be totally irrational and blame them because they got off scot-free for what they did to him.
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin and Revisited
Post by: amperfectunion on April 20, 2012, 11:48:32 AM
He had kidney failure and severe heart disease as a result of diabetes.  If I had to guess, I'd say it was Type II diabetes, which means he had it as a result of his eating habits.  That's a pretty big stretch to blame all that on the media.

Maybe so.  But I prefer to be totally irrational and blame them because they got off scot-free for what they did to him.

Haha fair enough  ;)
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin and Revisited
Post by: Libertas on April 20, 2012, 12:07:01 PM
...Richard Jewell is probably a millionaire now.  I'm predicting that by this time next year, Zimmerman will be, too.

Yeah, problem is, he'll probably have to change his identity and move. He'll never be able to live his life with a feeling of security.

I tell ya, if this were me, I'd have not moved, and would have just surrounded by house with Hesco barriers and concertina wire with a sign outside that said "Bring it."

Heh, big signs warning of the "line of death"!   ;D

And some of these too, of course!

(http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss291/libertasinfinitio/Warnings/NoTrespassing.jpg)
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin and Revisited
Post by: Glock32 on April 20, 2012, 12:19:39 PM
...Richard Jewell is probably a millionaire now.  I'm predicting that by this time next year, Zimmerman will be, too.

Yeah, problem is, he'll probably have to change his identity and move. He'll never be able to live his life with a feeling of security.

Yeah and if I were him that is exactly what I would want to do. And not just Zimmerman, that goes for all of us. None of us have that security. There is no security without the consistent Rule of Law, and we no longer have that in this country.

If I were him I'd be leaving this country and its farcical justice system behind.
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin and Revisited
Post by: ChrstnHsbndFthr on April 24, 2013, 01:28:21 PM
Hah!  They're covering their heinies now.

Exactly right.

Indeed. They outright lied, and it was libelous.

Richard Jewell is probably a millionaire now.  I'm predicting that by this time next year, Zimmerman will be, too.

Well, not yet.
Title: Re: AMPU - Trayvon Martin and Revisited
Post by: ChrstnHsbndFthr on April 24, 2013, 01:28:37 PM
He had kidney failure and severe heart disease as a result of diabetes.  If I had to guess, I'd say it was Type II diabetes, which means he had it as a result of his eating habits.  That's a pretty big stretch to blame all that on the media.

Maybe so.  But I prefer to be totally irrational and blame them because they got off scot-free for what they did to him.

I enjoy reading the old posts, before I showed up here. But, sometimes, I wish I had been here to comment in a more timely fashion.  I was and to some degree still am, a "stress eater."  It does not strike me as a stretch at all that a good and decent man could be driven to such a state as to eat himself to death.  I wish he had not. I would have counseled him not to give in to it and to find other releases. But, this may have been his best release....at least it did not get him jailed.