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Topics => Weather, Climate, & Natural Disasters => Topic started by: trapeze on August 25, 2011, 01:31:37 PM
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So, okay, I'm starting a new hurricane thread since we aren't "Miami Bound" anymore and I just felt like it. I also figure that this is where a lot of time is going to be spent this weekend by IAL forum members. Sue me.
(http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/storm_graphics/AT09/refresh/AL0911W5_NL+gif/145713W5_NL_sm.gif)
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No! I'll not be suing you; I appreciate it! We're looking to get smacked around pretty good down here.
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I checked weather.com a little while ago and we're supposed to have sunny weather all weekend in western Pa
Wasn't sure if there would be any effect on this side of the mountains
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(http://wwwcache.wral.com/asset/weather/2011/05/19/9617782/ice_2011_satellite_nccoast-640x480.jpg)
Per the local weather wienies: "Hurricane Irene shifted west Thursday, meaning that it could make landfall in Morehead City Saturday morning. The first sign of Irene could come Friday night as tropical storm force winds and rain move along the coast, some of which could be felt in the Triangle."
Yeah, okay, "some of which".
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So when are you going to Miami now?
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So when are you going to Miami now?
Who is going to Miami?
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So when are you going to Miami now?
Who is going to Miami?
Trap.
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Bringing this little gif over to the new topic:
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2011/graphics/al09/loop_5W.shtml (http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2011/graphics/al09/loop_5W.shtml)
It updates every 3 hrs or better.
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Bringing this little gif over to the new topic:
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2011/graphics/al09/loop_5W.shtml (http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2011/graphics/al09/loop_5W.shtml)
It updates every 3 hrs or better.
Must be my connection here at work, but it makes me dizzy. ::puke::
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It's government work.
In the private sector the map would not move
therefore allowing the viewer to concentrate on the subject
instead of adjusting his vision with every frame.
Look over in the left column, you can adjust the speed or click one frame at a time.
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Bringing this little gif over to the new topic:
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2011/graphics/al09/loop_5W.shtml (http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2011/graphics/al09/loop_5W.shtml)
It updates every 3 hrs or better.
Must be my connection here at work, but it makes me dizzy. ::puke::
You're not alone.
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I also figure that this is where a lot of time is going to be spent this weekend by IAL forum members.
Those of us who still have power, at least.
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Over the last couple of days, I've rediscovered Brendan Loy (http://pajamasmedia.com/weathernerd/). He's now blogging at PJM.
He made quite a name for himself back in 2005 with Hurricane Katrina. I found him via an Instapundit link. He was calling for the evacuation of New Orleans before anybody else. I read his blog posts in real time starting two or three days before Katrina made landfall.
He's updating frequently with Irene. It's worth reading all of his posts, especially the one about the New York City worst-case scenario (http://pajamasmedia.com/weathernerd/2011/08/24/irene-a-real-threat-from-carolinas-to-maine-especially-in-nyc/) from last night.
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Comment seen in the hurricane thread at Transterrestrial Musings (http://www.transterrestrial.com/?p=36334):
MfK Says:
August 25th, 2011 at 10:53 am
So I’m leaving the safety of Florida tomorrow to fly up to Baltimore — to meet a hurricane. That’s after I moved near Baltimore from Southern California, expecting that quakes would be a thing of the past.
Somebody’s trying to tell me something…
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Comment seen in the hurricane thread at Transterrestrial Musings (http://www.transterrestrial.com/?p=36334):
MfK Says:
August 25th, 2011 at 10:53 am
So I’m leaving the safety of Florida tomorrow to fly up to Baltimore — to meet a hurricane. That’s after I moved near Baltimore from Southern California, expecting that quakes would be a thing of the past.
Somebody’s trying to tell me something…
Evidently you not livin' right, boy.
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Comment seen in the hurricane thread at Transterrestrial Musings (http://www.transterrestrial.com/?p=36334):
MfK Says:
August 25th, 2011 at 10:53 am
So I’m leaving the safety of Florida tomorrow to fly up to Baltimore — to meet a hurricane. That’s after I moved near Baltimore from Southern California, expecting that quakes would be a thing of the past.
Somebody’s trying to tell me something…
Evidently you not livin' right, boy.
::laughonfloor::
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Here's a pretty cool interactive map. (http://www.stormpulse.com/atlantic) A commenter linked it at Ticker Forum.
You can zoom in, pan around, and play with turning on and off the options on the right.
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Brendan Loy has a new post up:
Is the mayor of New York an idiot? (http://pajamasmedia.com/weathernerd/2011/08/25/is-the-mayor-of-new-york-an-idiot-the-jets-and-giants-certainly-are/)
On Saturday night, August 27, 2005, during the early stages of my & my old blog’s 15 minutes of fame as Hurricane Katrina neared the Gulf coast, I published a blog post titled “The mayor of New Orleans is an idiot.” I wrote:
I can’t emphasize enough what a bad decision I think it is for New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin to delay the mandatory evacuation order until tomorrow morning. … Landfall is expected to occur around midday Monday. So by waiting until tomorrow morning, Mayor Nagin will be giving people scarcely 24 hours to get out. Perhaps he’s hoping to ease the evacuation traffic jams by starting things off with a trickle, but that’s awfully risky. Will Ray Nagin go down in history as the mayor who fiddled while New Orleans drowned? Could be.
Two days short of six years later, with a big-time hurricane hurdling toward a Sunday strike on his city, is New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg making the same mistake? He has announced that he will wait until Saturday morning to decide whether to order a mandatory evacuation of the “Zone A” low-lying areas that are home to roughly 250,000 people. So, like Nagin, he’ll be ordering an evacuation on the very day before the storm’s landfall or closest approach, and with perhaps 12 hours or less before conditions begin to deteriorate. That seems pretty foolish. Heck, I thought late Friday was pretty late to get started. Saturday morning? Really?!
This is starting to look like a rerun. Read the whole thing.
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The NFL pre-season game on Saturday? Really? Idiots.
One cannot depend on the "authorities" today to impart vital and accurate information, if one ever could. People simply must think for themselves and then take responsibility for doing what they must.
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UPDATE on Governor Purdue's Declared State of Emergency: (http://www.governor.state.nc.us/NewsItems/ExecutiveOrderDetail.aspx?newsItemID=1983)
Section 7.
This order is adopted pursuant to my powers under Article 1 of Chapter 166A of the General Statutes and under Article 36A of Chapter 14 of the General Statutes. It does not trigger the limitations on weapons in G.S. § 14-288.7 or impose any limitation on the consumption, transportation, sale or purchase of alcoholic beverages.
I am very glad to see this!
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I have family leaving the Cape Fear area today. They said it's getting bad already. I hope they got some surf pics before they left. I went down to Wrightsville Beach the night before Floyd came ashore and you could feel the waves through your feet as you crossed the dune line. They were huge.
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UPDATE on Governor Purdue's Declared State of Emergency: (http://www.governor.state.nc.us/NewsItems/ExecutiveOrderDetail.aspx?newsItemID=1983)
Section 7.
This order is adopted pursuant to my powers under Article 1 of Chapter 166A of the General Statutes and under Article 36A of Chapter 14 of the General Statutes. It does not trigger the limitations on weapons in G.S. § 14-288.7 or impose any limitation on the consumption, transportation, sale or purchase of alcoholic beverages.
I am very glad to see this!
It is a good result. But is it not state law in NC that when the governor declares a state of emergency, carry permits are suspended until the emergency declaration is lifted? If not, I misunderstood the situation there. If so, this waiver by the governor reeks of tyranny doling out benevolent permissions.
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UPDATE on Governor Purdue's Declared State of Emergency: (http://www.governor.state.nc.us/NewsItems/ExecutiveOrderDetail.aspx?newsItemID=1983)
Section 7.
This order is adopted pursuant to my powers under Article 1 of Chapter 166A of the General Statutes and under Article 36A of Chapter 14 of the General Statutes. It does not trigger the limitations on weapons in G.S. § 14-288.7 or impose any limitation on the consumption, transportation, sale or purchase of alcoholic beverages.
I am very glad to see this!
It is a good result. But is it not state law in NC that when the governor declares a state of emergency, carry permits are suspended until the emergency declaration is lifted?
That's correct. However, this time, she (Purdue) suspended the suspension in her SOE declaration.
If not, I misunderstood the situation there. If so, this waiver by the governor reeks of tyranny doling out benevolent permissions.
You didn't misunderstand the scenario as it is usually conducted, and yes, you caught the reek accurately.
Nevertheless, until we can get these totalitarian, shades of NO, fckheads out of our 2A business, this is as good as it gets for right now.
Also, if you noticed, a pre-hurricane grocery-run that included any adult beverage would have been verboten as well.
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The whole "state of emergency" crap was something the original omnibus gun bill would have partially remedied, but that provision did not survive and was not included in the final bill that was enacted in June. It should be a priority for the next session.
Speaking of that, that's a lesson the GOP could do well to learn from the left. The left never, ever, ever stops. They will not back off of their agenda. If they get thwarted today, they're attacking from another direction tomorrow. Our pols, on the other hand, have a tendency to just accept an incomplete compromise as having been the best we're going to get. I'm thinking of the repeal vote on Obamacare.
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Well, in either case, it's good the Governor Purdue recognized the error/bowed to pressure/decided not to have this battle now in this political environment - and waived the bans.
I questioned because I received an email from one of my many conservative alert blasts last night, essentially saying that the governor's declaration made felons of everyone who was carrying their weapon at the time.
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On Hannity, Joe Bastarti said it was going to go north instead of cutting east, something like Baltimore, New Jersey, then New York. It ought to go straight up Pennsylvania avenue and sit there.
This is a seven hour visual loop and it ain't herky jerky.
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/nwatl/flash-vis.html (http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/nwatl/flash-vis.html)
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On Hannity, Joe Bastarti said it was going to go north instead of cutting east, something like Baltimore, New Jersey, then New York. It ought to go straight up Pennsylvania avenue and sit there.
This is a seven hour visual loop and it ain't herky jerky.
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/nwatl/flash-vis.html (http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/nwatl/flash-vis.html)
If so, it'll only be a Cat 1 Hurricane. We don't even evacuate for a Cat 1 down here. And laugh at Tropical Depressions.
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(http://chronicle.augusta.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/superphoto/superphoto/0825MCKEETOON_web_0.jpg)
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::thumbsup::
Bastardi said it's going to Norfolk if she cuts up Chesapeake bay she could pick up steam
all the way to the Patuxent river.
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The humidity's climbing here in NYC. Tomorrow into Sunday should be fun. But at least the temps drop Sunday.
And yeah, they moved the Giants game from 7 p.m. up to something like 1 p.m. Idiots. They pull the same crap with hockey games and blizzards, only cancelling if a team or teams are travelling and get stuck. But if they're both here, the show goes on -- with hardly anybody in attendance. I'm sure the crowd for the football game with be huge(ly populated by morons more than is normal for a game).
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RickZ:
Did you see Brendan Loy's comments about the football game in one of the links I posted last night? Calling for preparation and evacuation while simultaneously playing a football game sends a mixed message, to say the least.
So how are you doing? Where are you with regard to sea level, skyscrapers, and such? Are you staying put or leaving?
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The humidity's climbing here in NYC. Tomorrow into Sunday should be fun. But at least the temps drop Sunday.
And yeah, they moved the Giants game from 7 p.m. up to something like 1 p.m. Idiots. They pull the same crap with hockey games and blizzards, only cancelling if a team or teams are travelling and get stuck. But if they're both here, the show goes on -- with hardly anybody in attendance. I'm sure the crowd for the football game with be huge(ly populated by morons more than is normal for a game).
When you look out and see all the birds going in one direction you know it's close.They know the way out of Dodge.
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It's raining again here. This has been the wettest August on record in the Philly area.
The ground is saturated and the stream beds are full. Inland flooding is going to be a huge problem with this storm.
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Seen in a comment in the hurricane thread at Ticker Forum (http://tickerforum.org/akcs-www?post=192688&page=22). Yes, I know that South Carolina isn't involved with this storm, but it's funny.
URGENT - URGENT - URGENT (FOR IMMEDIATE DISSEMINATION STATEWIDE)
Warning to all South Carolina residents of a possible hurricane threat. The path of this hurricane is still unclear and may be a threat to our state.
Although meteorologists are predicting landfall somewhere to the north of South Carolina, state emergency preparedness officials are making two basic but important points:
(1) There is no need to panic.
(2) We could all be killed.
Hurricane season is an exciting time to be in South Carolina. If you're new to the area, you're probably wondering what you need to do to prepare for the possibility that we'll get hit by "the big one." Based on experience, we recommend that you follow this simple three-step hurricane preparedness plan:
STEP 1. Buy enough food, beer, and bottled water to last your family for at least three days.
STEP 2. Put these supplies into your car.
STEP 3. Drive to Nebraska and remain there until Halloween.
Unfortunately, statistics show that most people will not follow this sensible plan. Most people will foolishly stay here in South Carolina. We'll start with one of the most important hurricane preparedness items: HOMEOWNERS' INSURANCE: If you own a home, you must have hurricane insurance. Fortunately, this insurance is cheap and easy to get, as long as your home meets two basic requirements:
(1) It is reasonably well-built, and
(2) It is located in Nebraska.
Unfortunately, if your home is located in South Carolina, or any other area that might actually be hit by a hurricane, most insurance companies would prefer not to sell you hurricane insurance, because then they might be required to pay YOU money, and that is certainly not why they got into the insurance business in the first place. So you'll have to scrounge around for an insurance company, which will charge you an annual premium roughly equal to the replacement value of your house. At any moment, this company can drop you like used dental floss.
Since Hurricane George, I have had an estimated 27 different home-insurance companies. This week, I'm covered by the Bubba and Big Stan Insurance Company, under a policy which states that, in addition to my premium, Bubba and Big Stan are entitled, on demand, to my kidneys.
SHUTTERS: Your house should have hurricane shutters on all the windows, all the doors, and -- if it's a major hurricane -- all the toilets. There are several types of shutters, with advantages and disadvantages:
Plywood shutters: The advantage is that, because you make them yourself, they're cheap. The disadvantage is that, because you make them yourself, they will fall off.
Sheet-metal shutters: The advantage is that these work well, once you get them all up. The disadvantage is that once you get them all up, your hands will be useless bleeding stumps, and it will be December.
Roll-down shutters: The advantages are that they're very easy to use, and will definitely protect your house. The disadvantage is that you will have to sell your house to pay for them.
Hurricane-proof windows: These are the newest wrinkle in hurricane protection: They look like ordinary windows, but they can withstand hurricane winds! You can be sure of this, because the salesman says so. He lives in Nebraska.
Hurricane Proofing Your Property: As the hurricane approaches, check your yard for movable objects like barbecue grills, planters, patio furniture, visiting relatives, etc.. You should, as a precaution, throw these items into your swimming pool (if you don't have a swimming pool, you should have one built immediately). Otherwise, the hurricane winds will turn these objects into deadly missiles.
EVACUATION ROUTE: If you live in a low-lying area, you should have an evacuation route planned out. (To determine whether you live in a low-lying area, look at your driver's license; if it says "South Carolina," you live in a low-lying area.) The purpose of having an evacuation route is to avoid being trapped in your home when a major storm hits. Instead, you will be trapped in a gigantic traffic jam several miles from your home, along with two hundred thousand other evacuees. So, as a bonus, you will not be lonely.
HURRICANE SUPPLIES: If you don't evacuate, you will need a mess of supplies. Do not buy them now! South Carolina tradition requires that you wait until the last possible minute, then go to the supermarket and get into vicious fights with strangers over who gets the last can of SPAM. In addition to food and water, you will need the following supplies: 23 flashlights At least $167 worth of batteries that turn out, when the power goes off, to be the wrong size for the flashlights. Bleach. (We don't know what the bleach is for. NOBODY knows what the bleach is for, but it's traditional, so GET some!) A 55-gallon drum of underarm deodorant. A big knife that you can strap to your leg. (This will be useless in a hurricane, but it looks cool.) A large quantity of raw chicken, to placate the alligators. (Ask anybody who went through Hugo. After the hurricane, there WILL be irate alligators.) $35,000 in cash or diamonds so that, after the hurricane passes, you can buy a generator from a man with no discernible teeth.
Of course these are just basic precautions. As the hurricane draws near, it is vitally important that you keep abreast of the situation by turning on your television and watching TV reporters in rain slickers stand right next to the ocean and tell you over and over how vitally important it is for everybody to stay away from the ocean.
Good luck, and remember: It's great living in South Carolina.
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I think I'm about as well-prepared as I know how. I have plenty of non-perishable food, bottled water, beer, tobacco, flashlights, batteries, toilet paper, hand-cranked radio, etc. My car has 3/4 tank of gas, which should be plenty since I can't envision a scenario where I would be forced to evacuate. I don't live near the water, and there don't seem to be any tree branches that could pose a threat to my house. There is a tree in my front yard which could pose a problem if the whole tree blew down, but it's a young one.
The thing that I'm most concerned about is losing power for a prolonged period of time. A couple months ago I lost it for 24 hours, and that sucked. I'd rather not repeat that experience.
Yesterday at work I thought of buying a backup generator. I've never used one before, and after talking to a co-worker about it, I decided to give it a try. If I could use it to keep my refrigerator and computer running, it would be worth the expense.
So when I left work on Thursday, I headed to Home Depot. I asked the guy if he had any generators, and he sort of laughed and said, "No, we sold the last one this morning. We don't have any rental units, either."
I then drove up the road a ways and tried Lowe's. I walked in at the same time as another guy and we were both looking for generators. The man at the counter said that he was expecting a truck that evening, and to call back in an hour or two. I went home and called at 8:00. He said the truck wasn't going to get there that night, and to call in the morning. When I woke up this morning, I called and was told they were expecting a delivery, but they were only going to get a limited number. They already had a bunch of people waiting for them, so they were going to be sold out the moment they arrived.
Well, that was the end of that. I went in to work and worked a normal day, picked up my paycheck and headed to the bank afterwards. I went in to the bank, deposited part of my check and took the rest in cash, as I normally do. I left the bank and decided to go to the gas station to pick up some ice, which I figured I might need to keep my food cold if and when I lost power.
I pulled out of the bank onto the road. I was behind a flatbed truck which was carrying a load of boxes. I noticed that all of the boxes said "Portable Generator". ::speechless::
The truck was heading to Lowe's! I followed it, and pulled into the parking lot right behind it. I went inside...and saw a whole bunch of people standing around near the entrance. I went to the service desk and asked if there was a waiting list for generators. The woman said, "No. We're getting 30 generators, and there are already 30 people waiting for them."
So my spotting that truck when I left the bank was almost Providential, with emphasis on "almost". ::facepalm::
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rickl,
I'm staying. I'm in northern Queens, just south of Laguardia Airport. I'm in a rather sturdy 6 story prewar, with 48 units. Plus, I'm on the third floor, so no flooding. An added bonus is that most of my windows face north and west.
I'm heading out in the morning to get some stuff, along with refilling a prescription. Then I'm making pork stir-fry and mixing some adult beverages in the evening/early Sunday morning.
Another thing is we rarely ever lose power as most of the wires are underground. The only power outage I can recall of any serious length (longer than an hour) was the massive East Coast Blackout of 2003.
That reminds me to cook all the Italian sausages I bought, just in case I need some snacks.
ETA: My neighborhood is called Jackson Heights for a reason. We have some slight elevation, and that never hurts. I'm more worried about a friend on Staten Island. She's about 1/2 a mile from the northern beaches on the Atlantic, just south of the Verrazano. They may have to evacuate and, if that's the case, she'll cross the island and stay with her parents (there are enough hills on Staten Island that it won't become New Orleans).
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It IS funny! Thanks!
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Pan you feeling yet?
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Bastardi said it's going to Norfolk if she cuts up Chesapeake bay she could pick up steam
all the way to the Patuxent river.
The only good thing about going up the Chesapeake Bay is that the bay is rather shallow, and would slow the storm from strengthening, unlike if it hit Norfolk then went back out to deeper water before striking New England, Long Island, the Jersey shore or New York City.
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Pan you feeling yet?
Wind kicking up a bit but nothing major yet. Not supposed to get critical until early morning. Some of the NE part of the county already lost power, though.
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After I left Lowe's, I fell back on Plan B which was to go to a gas station and buy some ice. I have a big Igloo cooler, and I can also stuff as much as I can in my refrigerator and freezer. When I got to the gas station I thought I was back in the 1970s with the lines at the pumps. Luckily I didn't need gas.
But the ice in the gas station's freezer was almost gone. I had to go into the back of the freezer, with the door closing behind me, to reach some.
I might try to get some more ice tomorrow. Fortunately, there isn't any other shopping I need to do. I would prefer to stay far, far away from any kind of store or gas station on Saturday because they are going to be absolutely nuts.
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After I left Lowe's, I fell back on Plan B which was to go to a gas station and buy some ice. I have a big Igloo cooler, and I can also stuff as much as I can in my refrigerator and freezer. When I got to the gas station I thought I was back in the 1970s with the lines at the pumps. Luckily I didn't need gas.
But the ice in the gas station's freezer was almost gone. I had to go into the back of the freezer, with the door closing behind me, to reach some.
I might try to get some more ice tomorrow. Fortunately, there isn't any other shopping I need to do. I would prefer to stay far, far away from any kind of store or gas station on Saturday because they are going to be absolutely nuts.
Fill anything you have in the house with water and put it in the freezer,nothing too big or it will take a couple of days to freeze in case you can't get any ice later,you should have 24 hours anyway before it gets bad.
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Fill the bathtub too. You can use it for flushing the toilet if you lose water.
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Fill the bathtub too. You can use it for flushing the toilet if you lose water.
I plan to do that tomorrow. I should probably clean it first.
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My mother's a little worried about the storm so I have her cooking like crazy and she'll be filling the tub and her stainless steel pot with drinking water. But she has to wait for the storm to start first this way it won't be time wasted if the storm doesn't come.
She wants to clean the house too for some reason just in case people come over?????It's like wating clean underwear in case you go to the hospital I guess.
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My mother's a little worried about the storm so I have her cooking like crazy and she'll be filling the tub and her stainless steel pot with drinking water. But she has to wait for the storm to start first this way it won't be time wasted if the storm doesn't come.
She wants to clean the house too for some reason just in case people come over?????It's like wating clean underwear in case you go to the hospital I guess.
Because it gets harder to clean once the power goes out, if it does. Plus, it helps work off the anxiety.
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My mother's a little worried about the storm so I have her cooking like crazy and she'll be filling the tub and her stainless steel pot with drinking water. But she has to wait for the storm to start first this way it won't be time wasted if the storm doesn't come.
She wants to clean the house too for some reason just in case people come over?????It's like wating clean underwear in case you go to the hospital I guess.
Because it gets harder to clean once the power goes out, if it does. Plus, it helps work off the anxiety.
OH I know. I'll be on the phone all day with her on Sunday. Pop will be on his couch watching westerns toll the power goes out then he'll be bitching up a blue streak.She'll be telling him to shut the hell up with the damned westerns and before thet kow it it will be Monday and start to get back to normal.
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Irene has weakened overnight and is now a Category 1. It will still bring a lot of rain to areas that don't need it, so flooding will still be a concern.
(http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/storm_graphics/AT09/refresh/AL0911W+gif/091823W_sm.gif)
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WTNT44 KNHC 270857
TCDAT4
HURRICANE IRENE DISCUSSION NUMBER 28
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL092011
500 AM EDT SAT AUG 27 2011
SATELLITE IMAGERY AND COASTAL RADAR DATA SHOW THAT IRENE HAS LOST
SOME ORGANIZATION THIS MORNING. THE CLOUD TOPS HAVE WARMED
SIGNIFICANTLY IN THE WESTERN SEMICIRCLE...AND THERE IS A LACK OF
CONVECTIVE BANDING IN THE SOUTHWESTERN QUADRANT IN THE RADAR DATA.
THIS SUGGESTS THAT DRY AIR SEEN IN WATER VAPOR IMAGERY TO THE WEST
OF IRENE IS STARTING TO ENTRAIN INTO THE HURRICANE. AN AIR FORCE
RESERVE HURRICANE HUNTER AIRCRAFT CONTINUES TO OBSERVE 90-100 KT
WINDS AT 700 MB OVER THE EASTERN SEMICIRCLE. HOWEVER...THE HIGHEST
SURFACE WIND ESTIMATES FROM THE SFMR HAVE ONLY BEEN 70-75 KT. THE
INITIAL INTENSITY IS REDUCED TO 80 KT...AND THIS COULD BE A LITTLE
GENEROUS. DESPITE THE DECREASE IN CONVECTIVE ORGANIZATION...THE
AIRCRAFT REPORTS THAT THE CENTRAL PRESSURE REMAINS NEAR 952 MB.
THE INITIAL MOTION IS 020/12. IRENE IS WEST OF THE SUBTROPICAL
RIDGE...WITH WATER VAPOR IMAGERY SHOWING A MID/UPPER-LEVEL
SHORTWAVE TROUGH IN THE WESTERLIES MOVING ACROSS THE GREAT LAKES.
IRENE SHOULD CONTINUE TO MOVE NORTH-NORTHEASTWARD INTO THE
WESTERLIES DURING THE NEXT 36-48 HOURS...WITH THE CENTER MOVING
OVER EASTERN NORTH CAROLINA...OVER OR NEAR THE COAST OF THE
MID-ATLANTIC STATES...AND THEN OVER NEW ENGLAND. AFTER 48 HOURS...
THE CYCLONE SHOULD TURN NORTHEASTWARD AND THEN EAST-NORTHEASTWARD
WITH AN INCREASE IN FORWARD SPEED AS IT REACHES THE CORE OF THE
WESTERLIES. THE NEW FORECAST TRACK IS AN UPDATE OF THE PREVIOUS
TRACK AND LIES IN THE CENTER OF THE GUIDANCE ENVELOPE.
LAND INTERACTION...DRY AIR ENTRAINMENT...AND INCREASING VERTICAL
WIND SHEAR SHOULD CAUSE IRENE TO WEAKEN AS IT MOVES ALONG THE U.S.
EAST COAST. HOWEVER...THE CYCLONE IS EXPECTED TO REMAIN A
HURRICANE WITH A VERY LARGE WIND FIELD UNTIL AFTER LANDFALL IN NEW
ENGLAND. EXTRATROPICAL TRANSITION SHOULD OCCUR AFTER THE NEW
ENGLAND LANDFALL...WITH IRENE GRADUALLY WEAKENING FROM 48-120 HR.
THE RADAR PRESENTATION OF THE CENTER OF IRENE HAS DECREASED TO THE
POINT THAT WE WILL BE REVERTING TO THREE-HOURLY INTERMEDIATE
ADVISORIES.
FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS
INIT 27/0900Z 34.1N 76.5W 80 KT 90 MPH
12H 27/1800Z 35.7N 75.8W 75 KT 85 MPH...INLAND
24H 28/0600Z 38.4N 74.6W 70 KT 80 MPH...OVER WATER
36H 28/1800Z 41.9N 72.7W 65 KT 75 MPH...INLAND
48H 29/0600Z 46.3N 69.6W 50 KT 60 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
72H 30/0600Z 54.0N 59.0W 40 KT 45 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
96H 31/0600Z 57.0N 41.0W 40 KT 45 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
120H 01/0600Z 58.0N 23.0W 35 KT 40 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
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FORECASTER BEVEN
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Just got back from walking a couple of blocks to a grocery store to pick up a few items. My gawd, but is it ever humid out there; it's like a 75o sauna.
Bought some pan con chicharon for breakfast tomorrow as I know the Uruguayan bakery will not be open.
Now I've got to get motivated and make some French toast.
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Entire storm just dead-east of us right now. Not too bad here. Raining, with some gusty wind. If it stays this way for a couple/three more hours, piece of cake.
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I'm already seeing comments on other blogs that it's just a fizzle and nothing but media hype. God, people can be stupid sometimes.
"Lifeboats? Are you kidding? I barely felt a thing. A little ice on the deck never hurt anybody."
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Overhyped is what all these mental midgets did for the ferocity of the storm. It seemed perfectly logical that a cold front with dry Canadian air was going to play a big roll in this scenario but all the meteorologists chose to ignore it because it didn't fit their narrative of the "storm of the century. "
Ive seen it before time and again how that dry air diminishes a tropical storm rapidly. Hurricanes need moisture above anything else and so when they suck in that dry air, the moisture saturation of said air takes away from the energy of the storm. If there was a Bermuda high in the usual location and no cold front, this storm would have strengthened and stayed together far longer but it wasn't meant to be. Better luck next time.
The worst of this storm will be flooding from the rain which will be compunded because of the strom's track at slow speed.
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I believe it was a bit over-hyped as well, however, as none of these forecasters have perfect information/data, they put out what they think and the "newsies" do the hyping. A couple days ago, the track was forecast to make a right turn and skim the coast; it never did make that right turn until a few hours ago, which is what kept me checking the "maps", dry air notwithstanding.
At the risk of harping on Hurricane Fran, nobody suspected she was going to roar right up the middle of NC along route #40.
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I don't watch TV news, but I can well imagine the hair-pulling hysteria the MSM has been engaging in.
The winds are dying down. That's good; it means less wind damage. But Irene is still a large storm and will dump tons of rain in places that are already saturated and can't take any more. That means flooding, and lots of it. This storm isn't over by a long shot. I continue to maintain that the preparations and evacuation orders were 100% justified given the information that was available at the time.
Here's Brendan Loy (http://pajamasmedia.com/weathernerd/2011/08/26/irene-still-on-track-for-serious-though-non-catastrophic-hit/) from last night:
Really, at this point we’re in the stage of waiting and watching what the actual impacts will be. We can be fairly confident that the flooding rains will be severe, and that power outages will be widespread — but that otherwise, the winds won’t cause much severe damage beyond North Carolina (although the duration of sustained tropical-storm force winds will create some problems). The big question is how bad the storm surge will prove to be. (Speaking of which, you can watch various NOAA tidal gauges in Irene-affected regions here.)
It’s expected that the sheer size of Irene, coupled with astronomical high tides, coupled with the storm’s slow movement (meaning that, at any given location, winds of at least tropical-storm force may extend through an entire tide cycle or two), will result in a greater surge than you’d expect given what Irene’s wind speed will be. This expected surge is seen as a major threat to various coastal locations, including low-lying areas in New York City, as well as to the NYC subway system, which is why New York ordered an unprecedented mandatory evacuation of “Zone A” and all of the Rockaways, and announced it would shut down its entire transit system starting Saturday at noon. (It also led to New Jersey governor Chris Christie’s epic rant at dawdling beachgoers, in the YouTube clip at the top of this post.)
But will the surge predictions be borne out? I remember well the predictions of a catastrophic, higher-than-the-winds-would-indicate storm surge with Hurricane Ike in 2008, and those predictions weren’t borne out by the reality (although the surge was plenty bad). Will the same thing happen with Irene, or will the surge meet (or exceed) forecasters’ expectations? I just don’t know. I certainly continue to strongly urge everyone to assume the predictions are true, and prepare for the worst. But I’m really very curious to see what will happen. Will the subways flood? Will the airports and the Rockaways be submerged? Will much of Hoboken be underwater? We’ll find out soon!
In the mean time, some smart decisions were made today. Mayor Bloomberg proved he’s not an idiot — well, at least not on this issue — and that he’s no Ray Nagin (who, incidentally, is apparently MSNBC’s new disaster preparedness expert), by ordering the mandatory evacuation around midday today, instead of tomorrow morning as he’d foolishly planned. Also, the NFL preseason game between the Jets and Giants, which had been absurdly scheduled to go forward tomorrow afternoon amid evacuations and transit shutdowns, has been rightly postponed to Monday evening. Sanity prevails over indefensible idiocy. Hooray!
Of course, the biggest decisions are the ones to be made in the next 12-18 hours by individual people in the path of this storm, deciding whether to take it seriously and what precautions to take. Bottom line: take it seriously. If you’re in an evacuation zone, leave. If you’re not, hunker down and make sure you have everything you need for a potentially long and unpleasant aftermath. Maybe some of the evacuations will prove, with the benefit of hindsight, to have been unnecessary, and maybe some of the hurricane-kit items won’t be needed, but it’s far better to be safe than sorry, especially when dealing with something as difficult to predict as a hurricane. So, as I keep saying on Twitter, take Irene seriously and #PREPARE.
And remember that, if the worst doesn’t happen, that doesn’t mean the storm was “overhyped.” It means that, of the various plausible scenarios that presented themselves to forecasters, we ended up experiencing one of the numerous “less bad” scenarios. Worst-cases are always unlikely, and most hurricane “alarms” end up being, at least in part, “false” alarms. That’s just the nature of the beast, as I wrote in my “misconceptions” post. It doesn’t mean we shouldn’t prepare for the worst — every time. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst. There’s just no other choice. That’s exactly what people should keep doing now.
Oh, and get the Hell off the beach.
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As if on cue, Brendan just put up a new post (http://pajamasmedia.com/weathernerd/2011/08/27/irene-makes-landfall/).
Hurricane Irene made landfall this morning near Cape Lookout, North Carolina as a Category 1 hurricane with maximum sustained winds estimated at 85 mph.
There is some indication on satellite and radar that Irene may actually be getting slightly better organized at this hour — the Outer Banks don’t provide much real land interaction, and it’s still drawing plenty of moisture from the Atlantic, so that’s possible — but I’ll believe it when it’s verified. There have been a ton of false alarms over the last few days with this storm seemingly trying to get organized, so I’m not going to jump at every radar or satellite blip that suggests “tightening” or intensification. In any event, it’s hard to see Irene getting significantly stronger at this point. If she’s tightening, maybe she’ll hold together as a minimal hurricane through landfall in Long Island, instead of weakening to a strong tropical storm.
Regardless, the general parameters of this situation seems quite clear. Wind damage will occur, particular with trees and branches, but the winds will by no means be catastrophic. Power outages will likely be widespread. Inland flooding will be a big, big deal. The severity of the storm surge is the big open question; we’ll see. (Watch the tidal gauges.) Residents in low-lying areas in evacuation zones should assume the worst, and should already be out or rapidly getting the Hell out. Bottom line, Irene is a big storm to be taken seriously, and it will cause a stormy weekend and plenty of damage, but this is by no means the worst-case scenario — and to the extent the media is pretending otherwise, it needs to ramp down the hype, for the sake of avoiding complacency about the next storm. Fear of a calamity was fully justified 24-36 hours ago, but we can now be quite confident this won’t be a world-historical disaster… even while being equally confident that it is a force to be reckoned with, and one residents should not blow off. Surely there must be some way to communicate both of these concepts simultaneously.
(Emphasis mine.)
(http://www.brendanloy.com/blog/pics09/irene-nc-landfall.gif)
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I believe that some of it is hype but you still have some idiots out there that don't get out when they should.If it isn't made clrear enough for them. What happens here is you get a bunch of idiots that do nothing for themselves to get ready and when it's at it's worst they call for help and fully expect somebody to come get them out of it putting others in danger.
For the most part this isn't going to be as bad as advertised but all you need is an older roof with those nice brittle shingles and one gust of wind ripping them off and you have razorblades flying all over and they are enough to open gashes in you in a second.
Stay in stay safe. and stay away from unprotected windows.
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Down here, if it's a Cat 1 or lower, we just stock up on alcohol and ride it out.
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Where are you, Alan?
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Found this (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2030502/Hurricane-Irene-Sarah-Jessica-Parker-braces-storm-New-York-apartment.html) a bit interesting, what the celebrities in NYC are doing to "prepare"; talk about a mostly clueless bunch. After the massive power outage in NYC a few years ago, The Perky Katie still has no flashlight?
Last interesting detail: one of George H. Bush's granddaughters is engaged to Ralph Lauren's son.
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Down here, if it's a Cat 1 or lower, we just stock up on alcohol and ride it out.
Don't forget the boudin.
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rickl's http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,2585.msg29263.html#msg29263 (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,2585.msg29263.html#msg29263) --> Weather Underground, they have good free radar.
Morehead, radar: http://wxex.wunderground.com/radar/radblast.asp?ID=MHX&lat=0&lon=0&label=you&type=N0R&zoommode=pan&map.x=400&map.y=240¢erx=400¢ery=240&prevzoom=zoom&num=10&delay=100&scale=1&showlabels=1&smooth=0&noclutter=1&showstorms=0&rainsnow=0&lightning=0 (http://wxex.wunderground.com/radar/radblast.asp?ID=MHX&lat=0&lon=0&label=you&type=N0R&zoommode=pan&map.x=400&map.y=240¢erx=400¢ery=240&prevzoom=zoom&num=10&delay=100&scale=1&showlabels=1&smooth=0&noclutter=1&showstorms=0&rainsnow=0&lightning=0)
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Hello PANDORA are there??
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Safe and sound so far. Power blipped a few times -- not enough to kick on the gennie, though. Rain stopped for now, too.
No worries, mate.
We took down the hummingbird feeder and the little guys keep whizzing by -- "awww, diner's closed".
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Glad ya'll are OK. Is Glock out there?
The eye is at Lake Mattamuskeet just west of Wysocking Bay. The map says Last Chance.
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It's going to go straight up East Lake.
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Well, it finally started to rain in significant amounts with mild breeze here in south central PA. The folks are freaking as a heavy rain event with a name that the media is focused on fo no effing reason. Clueless doesn't even begin to describe the mindset.
My prayers to those in the vicinity of the "beast" that it won't inconvenience you to much.
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Glad ya'll are OK. Is Glock out there?
The eye is at Lake Mattamuskeet just west of Wysocking Bay. The map says Last Chance.
No troubles here either. I'm on the other end of the state. The only noticeable effect we've had here, other than being overcast and a bit breezy, is that yesterday I could tell the hurricane was dragging a lot of tropical air up with it because it was unusually humid. I'm at 4,000 feet above sea level and we usually have very little humidity here, but that's not been the case with the storm at the coast.
Fortunately it weakened to a Cat 1 before coming ashore. They were originally expecting it to be a Cat 3. My main worries are for the Outer Banks. They get storm surge from the ocean when the storm is coming from the south, then they get storm surge from the sound as it leaves to the north.
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@15:37 there is no discernible eye, expect it to reappear in Albemarle Sound.
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I hope Dan checks in before it hits the Boston area. ::thinking::
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Where are you, Alan?
About 30 mi north of the Gulf of Mexico.
Down here, if it's a Cat 1 or lower, we just stock up on alcohol and ride it out.
Don't forget the boudin.
And da cracklins. ::whoohoo::
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(http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/flt/t2/vis-l.jpg)
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Except for the rain this thing seems to be seriously overhyped.
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Yup. Mostly. Some serious flooding on the coast. Waiting to see how hard NY/NJ gets it.
Nothingburger for us.
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The despondence of the media without the predicted death and destruction will be terribly noticeable. They'll do everything they can to get mileage out of the flooding.
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Meteorologist and governor, Chris Christi said this is the 100 year hurricane.
The quote to be remembered is "if you decide to stay get a 3x5 card, put your vital information on it and put it in your shoe so we can identify you". Bureaucrats abandon all artful language in deference to hysteria.
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Yeah, I find that, "Write your SSN on your arm so we can notify your next of kin," line to be a particularly odious item in the state's bag of tricks to try and intimidate the public into compliance.
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There wouldn't be such a reluctance to evacuate if the "authorities" would mind their own business and stop keeping people from returning to their homes once the storm was over.
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They jus practisin.
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Children can be so difficult. What's a nanny state to do?
At any rate, Brendan Loy is still maintaining that the big deal with this storm is the tidal surge and, to a barely lesser degree, rain.
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At any rate, Brendan Loy is still maintaining that the big deal with this storm is the tidal surge and, to a barely lesser degree, rain.
Link (http://pajamasmedia.com/weathernerd/2011/08/27/irene-watching-the-tides/) to his latest post. A comment from there:
4. Lin W
Thank you for the great charts! *Really* brings it home.
Ive been saying on another forum (waves to Quilly!)that the problem in NYC is that so much of the important infrastructure is underground and *very* apt to be renedered useless with flooding. I read an article earlier today that said that more than 15 million gallons of water are pumped out of the subways, every *dry* day. Of course, the rain alone will raise that amount, and then theres whatever storm surge may come creeping or crashing in. Think about everybodys sewer backing up and their electrical service going out, simultaneously.
Nothingburger, eh? We'll see about that.
His tidal charts look a bit like some of Denninger's charts. ;D
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As for my status, I still have power. It's been raining like crazy for hours. The wind has been intermittent, but not terribly heavy. I got tired of reading the internet all day and went to bed at 10:00 pm, which is early for me. Ironically, that's about when I would have gone to bed if I had lost power and got tired of reading books by flashlight.
I woke up around 3:00 am (or rather, was woken up by Kira, who had missed her midnight snack) and took a tour of the house. The only problem was some water seepage into the laundry room, which is not unheard of during heavy downpours. In fact, the water was already drying up, which tells me that there must have been a period of heavier rain while I was asleep.
Since I don't live near any rivers or streams, and the wind is not a major factor, losing power has always been my major personal concern with this storm. So far so good. Here is PECO's outage map. (http://www.peco.com/outagemap) It says that >3500 customers have lost power in each of five counties in this region. That's the maximum level of detail the map can show, which is not terribly helpful.
Contrast that to ConEd's map. (http://apps.coned.com/weboutageinfo/stormcenter/default.aspx) You can zoom in and get very detailed information on each individual outage.
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rickl,
For me, the storm has been more hype than anything else, but the day is still young and the eye hasn't arrived, nor the high tides/storm surge.
Have kept power, but the cable went funky and I cannot see the guide, which means I have to keep the 'puter on to check out the schedule (the local and news channels are preempted anyway). I'll be watching the two Manchester's today, the early City game and the much awaited (by me) United/Arsenal match at 11. By that time, the storm should, for the most part, be over, except for the drying. The winds here, too, have been relatively mild considering. Hope this stays a nothing storm, which will piss off the weather reporter ghouls.
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There wouldn't be such a reluctance to evacuate if the "authorities" would mind their own business and stop keeping people from returning to their homes once the storm was over.
Exactly. The justification for mandatory evacuations is that emergency personnel would be placed at unnecessary risk rescuing nitwits who should have left when they had the chance. I can see the point.
A better way to do it, in my opinion, would be for the authorities to "strongly recommend" that people evacuate from vulnerable areas, and announce that 911 service will not be available in those areas for the duration of the emergency. Make it crystal clear that anyone who chooses to stay does so at their own risk. That way, individuals could decide for themselves what to do.
Afterwards, people who left would be free to go back to their homes to clean up or salvage. Again, it would be at their own risk. Step on a live wire? Too bad. Your next of kin can't sue the utility company.
Obviously, that approach would be anathema to the nanny-statists.
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At any rate, Brendan Loy is still maintaining that the big deal with this storm is the tidal surge and, to a barely lesser degree, rain.
Link (http://pajamasmedia.com/weathernerd/2011/08/27/irene-watching-the-tides/) to his latest post. A comment from there:
4. Lin W
Thank you for the great charts! *Really* brings it home.
Ive been saying on another forum (waves to Quilly!)that the problem in NYC is that so much of the important infrastructure is underground and *very* apt to be renedered useless with flooding. I read an article earlier today that said that more than 15 million gallons of water are pumped out of the subways, every *dry* day. Of course, the rain alone will raise that amount, and then theres whatever storm surge may come creeping or crashing in. Think about everybodys sewer backing up and their electrical service going out, simultaneously.
Nothingburger, eh? We'll see about that.
His tidal charts look a bit like some of Denninger's charts. ;D
::confused::
Nothingburger ....... for us, I said.
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rickl,
For me, the storm has been more hype than anything else, but the day is still young and the eye hasn't arrived, nor the high tides/storm surge.
Have kept power, but the cable went funky and I cannot see the guide, which means I have to keep the 'puter on to check out the schedule (the local and news channels are preempted anyway). I'll be watching the two Manchester's today, the early City game and the much awaited (by me) United/Arsenal match at 11. By that time, the storm should, for the most part, be over, except for the drying. The winds here, too, have been relatively mild considering. Hope this stays a nothing storm, which will piss off the weather reporter ghouls.
Good. I hope it doesn't get any worse for you, but the storm surge coinciding with high tide in NYC is probably the biggest concern.
It's a mystery what happened to the winds. They haven't been nearly as severe as I expected, although I'm well to the west of the storm's track. (The center is near Atlantic City right now.) But I sure have gotten a sh*tload of rain. My sump pump has been running every 15-30 seconds for hours. My grass looks like it's grown 3" since Saturday morning.
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There wouldn't be such a reluctance to evacuate if the "authorities" would mind their own business and stop keeping people from returning to their homes once the storm was over.
Exactly. The justification for mandatory evacuations is that emergency personnel would be placed at unnecessary risk rescuing nitwits who should have left when they had the chance. I can see the point.
The good thing about living in a rural area. I've never been stopped by someone while trying to return home after an evacuation. I have had to reroute because of trees and/ or powerlines, though.
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There wouldn't be such a reluctance to evacuate if the "authorities" would mind their own business and stop keeping people from returning to their homes once the storm was over.
Exactly. The justification for mandatory evacuations is that emergency personnel would be placed at unnecessary risk rescuing nitwits who should have left when they had the chance. I can see the point.
The good thing about living in a rural area. I've never been stopped by someone while trying to return home after an evacuation. I have had to reroute because of trees and/ or powerlines, though.
And look! you're still here to talk about it, which means you must have done something right, as in smart.
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So...
Morning arrives and the storm turns out to be...not so much.
Cable news talking heads hardest hit.
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So...
Morning arrives and the storm turns out to be...not so much.
Cable news talking heads hardest hit.
Does this mean Global Warming isn't so bad after all?
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The rain stopped a couple of hours ago, but the wind has really picked up. I opened all the windows and am enjoying the breeze.
I heard on the radio that Philadelphia's Schuylkill River has crested at its greatest height since 1869.
I found a slideshow on a local news station's website showing some of the storm's effects around the area: Pictures Of Hurricane Irene's Local Impact (http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/gallery?section=news/national_world&id=8330643&photo=1)
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So...
Morning arrives and the storm turns out to be...not so much.
Cable news talking heads hardest hit.
Does this mean Global Warming isn't so bad after all?
No, no. We still need carbon credits to control the sheeple. ::unknowncomic::
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The rain stopped a couple of hours ago, but the wind has really picked up. I opened all the windows and am enjoying the breeze.
I heard on the radio that Philadelphia's Schuylkill River has crested at its greatest height since 1869.
I found a slideshow on a local news station's website showing some of the storm's effects around the area: Pictures Of Hurricane Irene's Local Impact (http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/gallery?section=news/national_world&id=8330643&photo=1)
Wow, looks like there's definitely some extensive damage - some wind, lots of water. Devastating to some, inconvenient to others, expensive for all.
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I've had a few very intense wind gusts in the last few minutes that have blown papers around the room. I'm staying indoors for now. It's still possible for someone to be injured or killed by tree limbs in this. I guess I'm not out of the woods for tree-caused power outages yet, either.
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Well the family breezed through this in Connecticut never lost power where they live.But it seems that some of the lower areas in surrounding towns are flooding but then again they have rivers and streams flowing throuh them and next to some of the main roads.
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I just heard on the radio that there were some roads in Darby, PA that were covered by 6 feet of water.
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The rain stopped a couple of hours ago, but the wind has really picked up. I opened all the windows and am enjoying the breeze.
I heard on the radio that Philadelphia's Schuylkill River has crested at its greatest height since 1869.
I found a slideshow on a local news station's website showing some of the storm's effects around the area: Pictures Of Hurricane Irene's Local Impact (http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/gallery?section=news/national_world&id=8330643&photo=1)
Wow, looks like there's definitely some extensive damage - some wind, lots of water. Devastating to some, inconvenient to others, expensive for all.
Ah, yes, but none of that is material unless there is death and devastation in the only place that really matters: Manhattan.
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Well, that was pretty much a bust for me, not that I'm complaining. There are some pleasantly stiff breezes now, and I can open a window to enjoy them. But the storm was much less intense than predicted, which only means the next time there are warnings of a severe storm, people will laugh them off -- to their detriment. See Camille, Mississippi coast, 1969. One high rise where people laughed off Camille and were having a hurricane party was leveled, and I do mean leveled, as if by explosives and a bulldozer. Off course, 150 m.p.h. winds will do that, and we were barely half that this time. I'm sure there is some flooding, coastal and by inland rivers prone to flooding, but that's par for the course with heavy rains and swollen tides. There was a lot less severe wind damage that I would have expected. But the fact that a hurricane/tropical storm came this close to NYC/Long Island simply means it can happen again, with the same unpredictable results.
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The rain stopped a couple of hours ago, but the wind has really picked up. I opened all the windows and am enjoying the breeze.
I heard on the radio that Philadelphia's Schuylkill River has crested at its greatest height since 1869.
I found a slideshow on a local news station's website showing some of the storm's effects around the area: Pictures Of Hurricane Irene's Local Impact (http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/gallery?section=news/national_world&id=8330643&photo=1)
Wow, looks like there's definitely some extensive damage - some wind, lots of water. Devastating to some, inconvenient to others, expensive for all.
Ah, yes, but none of that is material unless there is death and devastation in the only place that really matters: Manhattan.
I'm sick of them thinking that it's the center of the universe.There is no one place that is no more important than any other and no one person more important than any other.At times like this people are the only ones that can help each other long before the socalled first responders. My SIL is out helping his neighbors and my daughter has already called the family members close to them to see if they need anything.
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So...
Morning arrives and the storm turns out to be...not so much.
Cable news talking heads hardest hit.
Does this mean Global Warming isn't so bad after all?
AlGore speaks!
http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,2610.new.html#new (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,2610.new.html#new)
Will the fizzle hit AlGore or CNN and their "historic" storm?
::)
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Well, that was pretty much a bust for me, not that I'm complaining. There are some pleasantly stiff breezes now, and I can open a window to enjoy them. But the storm was much less intense than predicted, which only means the next time there are warnings of a severe storm, people will laugh them off -- to their detriment. See Camille, Mississippi coast, 1969. One high rise where people laughed off Camille and were having a hurricane party was leveled, and I do mean leveled, as if by explosives and a bulldozer. Off course, 150 m.p.h. winds will do that, and we were barely half that this time. I'm sure there is some flooding, coastal and by inland rivers prone to flooding, but that's par for the course with heavy rains and swollen tides. There was a lot less severe wind damage that I would have expected. But the fact that a hurricane/tropical storm came this close to NYC/Long Island simply means it can happen again, with the same unpredictable results.
Exactly. See Brendan Loy's post (http://pajamasmedia.com/weathernerd/2011/08/28/irene-makes-landfall-in-new-york-city/) this morning. Almost all of the pieces were in place: storm track hitting very near NYC, storm surge arriving during high tide (exacerbated by the new moon). The only thing missing was the storm's intensity. NYC dodged a bullet.
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One high rise where people laughed off Camille and were having a hurricane party was leveled, and I do mean leveled, as if by explosives and a bulldozer. Off course, 150 m.p.h. winds will do that...........
While the winds were terrible, what leveled Biloxi was the storm surge. The rising waters are like a raging river running through your living room and gets deeper by the minute. The hydraulic pressure is immense.
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One high rise where people laughed off Camille and were having a hurricane party was leveled, and I do mean leveled, as if by explosives and a bulldozer. Off course, 150 m.p.h. winds will do that...........
While the winds were terrible, what leveled Biloxi was the storm surge. The rising waters are like a raging river running through your living room and gets deeper by the minute. The hydraulic pressure is immense.
I remember the flooding Camille caused in Richmond, VA. Yes, Richmond. Camille came up through Tennesee into West Virginia/Virginia and dumped massive amounts of water. The normally placid James River crested the I-95 bridge which goes over it, and at quite an altitude at that. If anything is going to be called 'The Storm of the Century', Camille was it.
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I remember the flooding Camille caused in Richmond, VA. Yes, Richmond. Camille came up through Tennesee into West Virginia/Virginia and dumped massive amounts of water. The normally placid James River crested the I-95 bridge which goes over it, and at quite an altitude at that. If anything is going to be called 'The Storm of the Century', Camille was it.
I was trying to remember what hurricane did that to Richmond. Thanks, Rick.
I was just a mere chile, but living in NC, I remember the flood level in pictures of the I-95 bridge in downtown Richmond.
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I remember the flooding Camille caused in Richmond, VA. Yes, Richmond. Camille came up through Tennesee into West Virginia/Virginia and dumped massive amounts of water. The normally placid James River crested the I-95 bridge which goes over it, and at quite an altitude at that. If anything is going to be called 'The Storm of the Century', Camille was it.
I was trying to remember what hurricane did that to Richmond. Thanks, Rick.
I was just a mere chile, but living in NC, I remember the flood level in pictures of the I-95 bridge in downtown Richmond.
My brother has a picture book of that once in a lifetime event. I think it's titled 'The Great Richmond Flood', or something like that. The pictures are impressive in a 'state of shock and awe' kind of way. The fact that Camille hit the Gulf coast and did all that damage to Richmond is just crazy. Storms hitting the Virginia coast never do as much damage to the Richmond area as Camille did.
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Irene's Legacy May Be Record Inland Flooding (http://www.accuweather.com/blogs/news/story/54333/hurricane-irenes-legacy-may-be.asp)
Which is what I've been saying all along.
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President Barack Oobama wants you to know this is not over ........
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From Ace of Spades. It's been mildly photoshopped. Look verrrry carefully...
(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/rickl_2006/Web/SCOAMF.jpg)
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unclassified cl*$ter f%*(.
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On the Prince of Present's placard: . . . Cluster what?
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On the Prince of Present's placard: . . . Cluster what?
Ace's new acronym for Jugears: SCOAMF. Stuttering Clusterf*ck Of A Miserable Failure.
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On the Prince of Present's placard: . . . Cluster what?
Ace's new acronym for Jugears: SCOAMF. Stuttering Clusterf*ck Of A Miserable Failure.
Traitor would suffice for me.
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Unemployed will do the trick for me.
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First president to be hung would suffice ::newyear::
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(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff202/jrgdds/Drudge/TheFullCarter3Finalpantsandclothespile.jpg?t=1314644125)
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I love that one.
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Whoa, scary pic! Something in an orange jumpsuit and manacles would be less offensive!
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Whoa, scary pic! Something in an orange jumpsuit and manacles would be less offensive!
Tease
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On the Prince of Present's placard: . . . Cluster what?
Ace's new acronym for Jugears: SCOAMF. Stuttering Clusterf*ck Of A Miserable Failure.
This didn't take long: http://www.scoamf.com/ (http://www.scoamf.com/)
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(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-y8zYVKfJQEE/TlkOOWI-CnI/AAAAAAAAAAk/s8vNwCQQYWU/s1600/NewYorkTimesSCOAMF.jpg)
And as Trap mentioned on the Obama Depression thread, it's already in the Urban Dictionary too!
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=scoamf (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=scoamf)
::hysterical:: ::rolllaughing:: ::laughonfloor::
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I've noticed Dan hasn't checked in since the storm. He's from MA, right?
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I've noticed Dan hasn't checked in since the storm. He's from MA, right?
Yes, he is. I do hope he and his are okay.
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I've noticed Dan hasn't checked in since the storm. He's from MA, right?
Yes, he is. I do hope he and his are okay.
Ditto!
Hope we hear from him soon!
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Libertas - You know that picture of the SCOAMF is right now making the email rounds thanks! ::thumbsup::
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Oh I know! And thank goodness!
I can confirm as true the rumors that I have been disseminating this far and wide!
::evil::
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Back to the storm for a sec, been listening to Rush and Levin talk about how the media lied about wind-speeds in all the hype. Since I don't watch TV "news" or weather, I didn't catch that. Did anybody here?
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From what I caught, it does seem like the wind speeds were overestimated to the detriment of the horrendous amounts of water falling that caused all the flooding. One could argue over-hyping the storm cuts both ways, down play it too much and people might take the storm for granted and more might die. Erring on the side of caution seems wise, but more time should have been devoted to rain and storms spawning off the big storm and better alerts to localities for that. Forest/trees...weathergeeks forgot about the trees.
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From what I caught, it does seem like the wind speeds were overestimated to the detriment of the horrendous amounts of water falling that caused all the flooding. One could argue over-hyping the storm cuts both ways, down play it too much and people might take the storm for granted and more might die. Erring on the side of caution seems wise, but more time should have been devoted to rain and storms spawning off the big storm and better alerts to localities for that. Forest/trees...weathergeeks forgot about the trees.
No, not overestimated, deliberately misrepresented. This site >> http://www.wunderground.com/ (http://www.wunderground.com/) reports on local conditions and the correct wind-speed information was being disseminated before and during the storm, which was ignored.
Levin had Dr. Simon Atkins of the Advanced Forecasting Corporation on Friday and he went on record then about the hyping of the wind-speeds instead of the proper concerns.
I can well understand and agree with focusing on what the possible/probable dangers are, such as flooding from rains and such, but to put the emphasis on what they damn well knew wasn't happening instead distracted people from the real dangers.
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That is worse to be sure, but there is no way in hell the MFM will recognise a non-government body putting weather info out, especially one with the word "underground" in it. It would be like giving Drudge credit for breaking news he got right. And no way will they do anyting but cover government agency butts and find an appropriate scapegoat to blame for the error. This is the chickensh*t news era we live in, and why government bureaucrats feel so insulated from responsibility and accountability. No doubt Harry Reid will have a high-n-mighty Senate subcommittee analyze it and issue a report after the next election that blames it all on Bush...
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I don't watch TV news, and I heard only a little bit of Levin talking about this. I saw the Weather Underground post over the weekend, linked by a commenter at Brendan Loy's blog. Loy was not impressed.
The WU data apparently came from amateur surface stations. I have no reason to believe their data were wrong. However, hurricane hunter aircraft were flying through the storm the whole time. They measured higher wind speeds in the eastern part of the storm (which was over the ocean), and at higher altitudes.
Sure, it's possible that NOAA's leadership has been politicized, just like everything else this administration touches. But did the professional meteorologists on board the aircraft lie about their data? That's a serious charge, and I'll need to see more evidence before I take it seriously. Until I see that evidence, this sounds like "weather trutherism" to me.
The whole thing is kind of moot, anyway. Some of the most catastrophic damage occurred in upstate New York and Vermont, when everybody agrees that Irene was "only" a tropical storm. Apparently there's little correlation between wind speed and rainfall amount.
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In the not to distant past every reporter standing in the storm had an anemometer from which he would pronounce the wind speed it indicated. More than once I heard, I don't have an anemometer but... .
As the FBI says, there are no coincidences.
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Seriously, people, concocting conspiracy theories about weather looks pretty deranged, without compelling evidence.
A word to the wise.
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Nobody's concocting anything, much less a conspiracy. Even Anderson Cooper was taken aback by the difference in what was "reported" and what he experienced.
Anderson Cooper's Hurricane Irene hype get's deflated by Weather Girl (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON_-Nz56hkk#ws)
They lied, rickl. They knew the wind-speeds were not what they were reporting -- it didn't even rise to Cat 1 level -- and they did it anyway.
A word to the wise.
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Not sure about a conspiracy, Pan asked a question about coverage of the storm is all. I was having Friday night fish fry up at the lake at a local haunt and they had CNN on all TV's and the mega-crawl had "HISTORIC STORM" on sticky post! All that coverage was wind and surf, wind and surf...so from that outlet the coverage seemed tunnel-visioned. Hell, Gov't all but owns that station and they can't get them to distribute better info to folks, especially in NY & Vermont? Who's fault is that?
ETA - Good post Pan, sorry my response stumbled into yours!
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No problem, Libertas; thanks for the back-up.
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::thumbsup::
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They lied, rickl. They knew the wind-speeds were not what they were reporting -- it didn't even rise to Cat 1 level -- and they did it anyway.
Who lied?
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They lied, rickl. They knew the wind-speeds were not what they were reporting -- it didn't even rise to Cat 1 level -- and they did it anyway.
Who lied?
Rick the reporters were on the damned wind speed so much that people up north blocked out the rain and floods in their thinking. The floods were hell compared to the winds.
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Did you hear anything from your daughter John?
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But the reporters were getting their information from the official bulletins that were released by NOAA. I was reading them, along with everybody else. They had Irene as a Cat 1 hurricane up until about the time it reached Long Island.
Anybody who maintains that Irene was "only" a tropical storm before that time is saying that the scientists working for NOAA knowingly and deliberately lied about their data. It's certainly possible, but I'm not willing to go there without hard evidence.
ETA: And as I said in my 7:41 pm EDT comment, try to comfort the residents of Vermont by telling them that they got hit by "only" a tropical storm instead of a full-fledged hurricane. I don't think they're interested in splitting hairs at the moment.
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ETA: And as I said in my 7:41 pm EDT comment, try to comfort the residents of Vermont by telling them that they got hit by "only" a tropical storm instead of a full-fledged hurricane. I don't think they're interested in splitting hairs at the moment.
That's because VT is full of............lightweights. With the drought we're having, we'd welcome a tropical depression.
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ETA: And as I said in my 7:41 pm EDT comment, try to comfort the residents of Vermont by telling them that they got hit by "only" a tropical storm instead of a full-fledged hurricane. I don't think they're interested in splitting hairs at the moment.
That's because VT is full of............lightweights. With the drought we're having, we'd welcome a tropical depression.
Dude, they've had roads and bridges washed away in every county in the state. Entire towns are totally cut off from the outside world.
As Brendan Loy said the other day, "So… who had Vermont in the 'State Hardest Hit By Irene' pool?"
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But the reporters were getting their information from the official bulletins that were released by NOAA. I was reading them, along with everybody else. They had Irene as a Cat 1 hurricane up until about the time it reached Long Island.
Then the NOAA lied and nobody bothered to check locally; there are other sites which do such tracking; I named one.
Anybody who maintains that Irene was "only" a tropical storm before that time is saying that the scientists working for NOAA knowingly and deliberately lied about their data. It's certainly possible, but I'm not willing to go there without hard evidence.
There is hard evidence that the wind-speeds were not as presented. The Weather Underground site posted such, and Atkins did as well.
ETA: And as I said in my 7:41 pm EDT comment, try to comfort the residents of Vermont by telling them that they got hit by "only" a tropical storm instead of a full-fledged hurricane. I don't think they're interested in splitting hairs at the moment.
Oh fer ... C'mon, rickl; are you actually positing that the truth doesn't matter now; it's relegated to the "splitting hairs" category?
Atkins went on record publicly on Levin's show on Friday saying the wind-speed velocities were being misreported and emphasized the flooding aspect that was being short-changed in favor of the chicken-little "winds". And now I'm repeating myself.
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Pandora, did you not read my 7:41 post? Or my PM?
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TV was doing a top 5 storms of the century, one of them was Alicia or Allison at Texas (Houston area) anyway they suffered more damage than from hurricanes. It moved slow and dumped mucho water.
Debating whether it was a Cat 1 or a TS is moot. A Cat 1 may be dry and a TS can wash the bridges away. The error was the focus on wind and not the terrible flooding that was happening inland and what the upper east coast needed to prepare for.
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Did you hear anything from your daughter John?
They didn't even lose power,my parents didn't either. My niece (the one that had triplets)Is still out of power but he family went to the rescue with generators and window A/C units and fuel. The damned fool didn't want to tell anybody that they were having a problem because she thought that they all had their hands full and didn't want to be a pain in the ass(with three babies in the house).
What pisses me off is that he effing mother my sweetheart of a sister didn't even go check on her. My daughter got wind of it from my mother and off everybody went.They might have power by tomorrow. Not all the people that bought generators and have power back are trying to sell the for double what they paid for them.
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ETA: And as I said in my 7:41 pm EDT comment, try to comfort the residents of Vermont by telling them that they got hit by "only" a tropical storm instead of a full-fledged hurricane. I don't think they're interested in splitting hairs at the moment.
That's because VT is full of............lightweights. With the drought we're having, we'd welcome a tropical depression.
Alan VT is an absolute mess. Towns were as bad as 15 feet under water and bridges ripped out and people can't get in or out of town and nobody knows for how long.
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Pandora, did you not read my 7:41 post? Or my PM?
I read your 7:41 post; just saw your PM. Check your PMs.
I've no desire to make a major deal out of this, we just disagree.
eta: We don't need libtards; we're arguing with each other over the fcking weather. Fer crissake.
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Pandora, did you not read my 7:41 post? Or my PM?
I read your 7:41 post; just saw your PM. Check your PMs.
I've no desire to make a major deal out of this, we just disagree.
eta: We don't need libtards; we're arguing with each other over the fcking weather. Fer crissake.
Not weather,the lies we were all told is causing this.
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TV was doing a top 5 storms of the century, one of them was Alicia or Allison at Texas (Houston area) anyway they suffered more damage than from hurricanes. It moved slow and dumped mucho water.
Debating whether it was a Cat 1 or a TS is moot. A Cat 1 may be dry and a TS can wash the bridges away. The error was the focus on wind and not the terrible flooding that was happening inland and what the upper east coast needed to prepare for.
I disagree. Either the truth matters or it doesn't. We're now to the point where, manmade glowball warmink aside, we can't trust the current weather reporting!!?
As for the rest, yes, the focus was incorrectly placed, not through some vast conspiracy -- vastly destructive flooding is just as "sexy" for reporting and career-making purposes -- they just placed their bets on the wrong element this time and were gonna be damned if they withdrew their false prophecies.
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If NOAA gave incorrect information it will come out, there are too many personal weather stations.
As far as the people up northeast, informing them a sh*t load of water was coming should have been stressed. During the storm rickl repeatedly stress that point.
Personally I don't understand how they didn't know, all you had to do was dial up NOAA, WeatherUnderground, or any other radar and look. It wasn't a secret unless one believed those fools washing themselves in toxic sea foam.
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Dude, they've had roads and bridges washed away in every county in the state. Entire towns are totally cut off from the outside world.
As Brendan Loy said the other day, "So… who had Vermont in the 'State Hardest Hit By Irene' pool?"
My sincerest apologies.
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The Pravda media: Not worth the spit it takes to makes one's shoe shine.
Honestly, I now believe everything they report (including Fox) is filtered through a political lens. Yes, even the weather. We didn't hear much of the Obamas taking two separate planes (and motorcades) to Martha's Vineyard for vacation, but we did hear about the hardship of Obama leaving vacation a few hours early thanks to the storm. The media were so invested in another Katrina, this time hitting the populated Northeast, with all the subsequent social fallout, that they wanted to portray Obama as 'in charge' as opposed to Bush's fault with Katrina (when we know the fault lay with Blanco and Nagin). As if Obama could do anything in the middle of the storm except watch. Obama has changed America for the worse in so many ways, including the pandering media slobbering over him and not even able to report on the weather with any sense of accuracy.
The truth is now a radical idea, especially if the truth does not put Obama in a halo.
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Did you hear anything from your daughter John?
They didn't even lose power,my parents didn't either. My niece (the one that had triplets)Is still out of power but he family went to the rescue with generators and window A/C units and fuel. The damned fool didn't want to tell anybody that they were having a problem because she thought that they all had their hands full and didn't want to be a pain in the ass(with three babies in the house).
What pisses me off is that he effing mother my sweetheart of a sister didn't even go check on her. My daughter got wind of it from my mother and off everybody went.They might have power by tomorrow. Not all the people that bought generators and have power back are trying to sell the for double what they paid for them.
Well, at least they're on top of it. Hopefully power is restored soon, good thing they had gen's...hate to try to go get one after the fact, mucho dinero even if available! And the other thing people forget is to get gas ahead of time too...power goes out, those pumps at the station aren't working...and I doubt they'll let you siphon out of the main tank!
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Did you hear anything from your daughter John?
They didn't even lose power,my parents didn't either. My niece (the one that had triplets)Is still out of power but he family went to the rescue with generators and window A/C units and fuel. The damned fool didn't want to tell anybody that they were having a problem because she thought that they all had their hands full and didn't want to be a pain in the ass(with three babies in the house).
What pisses me off is that her effing mother my sweetheart of a sister didn't even go check on her. My daughter got wind of it from my mother and off everybody went.They might have power by tomorrow. Not all the people that bought generators and have power back are trying to sell the for double what they paid for them.
Well, at least they're on top of it. Hopefully power is restored soon, good thing they had gen's...hate to try to go get one after the fact, mucho dinero even if available! And the other thing people forget is to get gas ahead of time too...power goes out, those pumps at the station aren't working...and I doubt they'll let you siphon out of the main tank!
Fortunately there is fuel out there only because the outages are spotty. The story here for me is my shythead of a sister of mine not having enough brains to go check on the kids and they're sitting on a generator. My mother is absolutly furios which is totally out of character for her to be even miffed at her.So my father is bugging me to order a generator ASAP for the kids.
How the hell don't you check on your kid and four grandchildren??????It's nuts!!!But thank God for my daughter and my SIL to have enough decency to go check and come prepared and that's because the two girls know each other's quirks. My daughter know that her cousins pride wouldn't let her ask for help.Which isn't exactly smart either but her story is that they kept thinking that the power would come back on shortly and all the while a transfer station was completely under water and has to be rebuilt so it might be a few more days.
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The Pravda media: Not worth the spit it takes to makes one's shoe shine.
Honestly, I now believe everything they report (including Fox) is filtered through a political lens. Yes, even the weather. We didn't hear much of the Obamas taking two separate planes (and motorcades) to Martha's Vineyard for vacation, but we did hear about the hardship of Obama leaving vacation a few hours early thanks to the storm. The media were so invested in another Katrina, this time hitting the populated Northeast, with all the subsequent social fallout, that they wanted to portray Obama as 'in charge' as opposed to Bush's fault with Katrina (when we know the fault lay with Blanco and Nagin). As if Obama could do anything in the middle of the storm except watch. Obama has changed America for the worse in so many ways, including the pandering media slobbering over him and not even able to report on the weather with any sense of accuracy.
The truth is now a radical idea, especially if the truth does not put Obama in a halo.
Concur.
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Did you hear anything from your daughter John?
They didn't even lose power,my parents didn't either. My niece (the one that had triplets)Is still out of power but he family went to the rescue with generators and window A/C units and fuel. The damned fool didn't want to tell anybody that they were having a problem because she thought that they all had their hands full and didn't want to be a pain in the ass(with three babies in the house).
What pisses me off is that her effing mother my sweetheart of a sister didn't even go check on her. My daughter got wind of it from my mother and off everybody went.They might have power by tomorrow. Not all the people that bought generators and have power back are trying to sell the for double what they paid for them.
Well, at least they're on top of it. Hopefully power is restored soon, good thing they had gen's...hate to try to go get one after the fact, mucho dinero even if available! And the other thing people forget is to get gas ahead of time too...power goes out, those pumps at the station aren't working...and I doubt they'll let you siphon out of the main tank!
Fortunately there is fuel out there only because the outages are spotty. The story here for me is my shythead of a sister of mine not having enough brains to go check on the kids and they're sitting on a generator. My mother is absolutly furios which is totally out of character for her to be even miffed at her.So my father is bugging me to order a generator ASAP for the kids.
How the hell don't you check on your kid and four grandchildren??????It's nuts!!!But thank God for my daughter and my SIL to have enough decency to go check and come prepared and that's because the two girls know each other's quirks. My daughter know that her cousins pride wouldn't let her ask for help.Which isn't exactly smart either but her story is that they kept thinking that the power would come back on shortly and all the while a transfer station was completely under water and has to be rebuilt so it might be a few more days.
Yeah, somebody needs a gentle talkin' to, especially when little ones need to be looked out for...somebody has to be an adult. Hopefully the lesson is learned.
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Why is Incompetano, the head of HOMELAND SECURITY, issuing statements about the hurricane's aftermath and cleanup?
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Bush causes hurricanes.
Bush is a terrorist.
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Bush causes hurricanes.
Bush is a terrorist.
He's a busy son of a gun isn't he?
(http://[url=http://editorialcartoonists.com/cartoons/BensoL/2011/BensoL20110810_low.jpg]http://editorialcartoonists.com/cartoons/BensoL/2011/BensoL20110810_low.jpg[/url])
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Why is Incompetano, the head of HOMELAND SECURITY, issuing statements about the hurricane's aftermath and cleanup?
Nobody else wanted the job?
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Actually, didn't FEMA get moved under HomeSec?
Incompetano...
That about covers it.
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Why is Incompetano, the head of HOMELAND SECURITY, issuing statements about the hurricane's aftermath and cleanup?
Nobody else wanted the job?
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Actually, didn't FEMA get moved under HomeSec?
Incompetano...
That about covers it.
Hmmm, that may be it. I'm having a hard time these days keeping track of Leviathan's bureaus, departments and sections. Seems, though, like no matter what, she's out bloviating on anything and everything.
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Check this out. It's a screenshot from the UPS website listing zip codes where service is interrupted. I saw it this morning at work. It speaks for itself.
(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/rickl_2006/Web/Screenshot2011-08-31at104953AM.png)
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Check this out. It's a screenshot from the UPS website listing zip codes where service is interrupted. I saw it this morning at work. It speaks for itself.
(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/rickl_2006/Web/Screenshot2011-08-31at104953AM.png)
Wow. And how much angst and how many millions of dollars were spent by the media hyping this thing?
It was a bad storm, to be sure. The death-toll and flooding are a testament to that. But the media and to some extent the Weather Service had waaaaaaayyy too much invested in the "HURRICANE!!!" storyline, and as always, the truth was sacrificed on the altar of media agenda.
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This exercise wasn't leading the dog on a leash it was leading the bull with a ring in its nose. A couple of more sessions and the bull will follow it's master anywhere.
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MFM blowhards should be frog-marched to Vermont and pressed into services helping those people out. But perhpas not, they'd probably just get in the way since they don't know jack and are so utterly useless...and they'd just bitch the whole time anyway...