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Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
« Reply #60 on: August 16, 2012, 02:09:30 PM »
Yeah, spontaneoous my arse!

Live-fire shore bombardment drills in 3..2..1..
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« Reply #61 on: September 08, 2012, 09:45:10 PM »
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http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Latest-News-Wires/2012/0908/Following-protests-Hong-Kong-backs-down-on-Chinese-patriotism-classes

Hong Kong officials backed down Saturday on plans to make students take Chinese patriotism classes following a week of protests in the former British colony sparked by fears of pro-Beijing "brainwashing."
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Public anger over the classes has been growing for months. Many feared they were a ploy by Beijing authorities to indoctrinate the city's young into unquestioning support of China's Communist Party, though Leung and other senior officials denied it.

China's stepping up and stepping out.


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« Reply #62 on: September 08, 2012, 09:51:03 PM »

China & India from another thread:

http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,6518.msg73303.html#msg73303

 Until China completes its canal through Thailand sailing through the  Malacca Straits is  the route they must take and even after the canal is finished they must traverse the Indian Ocean.  This new Indian activity will definitely cause them more angst and...

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Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
« Reply #63 on: September 08, 2012, 10:10:26 PM »
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http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Latest-News-Wires/2012/0908/Following-protests-Hong-Kong-backs-down-on-Chinese-patriotism-classes

Hong Kong officials backed down Saturday on plans to make students take Chinese patriotism classes following a week of protests in the former British colony sparked by fears of pro-Beijing "brainwashing."
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Public anger over the classes has been growing for months. Many feared they were a ploy by Beijing authorities to indoctrinate the city's young into unquestioning support of China's Communist Party, though Leung and other senior officials denied it.

China's stepping up and stepping out.



Same crap has been happening for the last 30 years here, it's just not been news!
Eschew Obfuscation

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Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
« Reply #64 on: September 09, 2012, 10:51:51 PM »

America traded it's firm hand for a bow and now it's old friends and allies must fend for themselves in an unstable world.


Japan urged not to make 'wrong' Diaoyu decision

The story appears on Page A3
Sep 10, 2012

CHINESE President Hu Jintao said yesterday that Japan should not make a "wrong decision" over the Diaoyu Islands during his brief meeting with Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda after weeks of tension between the neighbors.

The two leaders met for 15 minutes on the sidelines of the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit in Vladivostok in Russia.

Hu told Noda that a "severe situation" had developed over the Diaoyu Islands in the East China Sea.

He raised objections to a plan by Noda's government to buy the islands from so-called private Japanese owners.

"It is illegal and invalid for Japan to buy the islands via any means. China firmly opposes it," Hu told Noda.

"China will unswervingly safeguard its sovereignty. Japan must realize the severity of the situation and not to make a wrong decision," the president said.

He urged Japan to work with the Chinese side to maintain the overall development of the two countries' relations.

Noda said Japan hoped to develop a mutually beneficial, strategic relationship with China and that he planned to deal with current relations from a "comprehensive perspective," Japan's Jiji news agency reported.

No talks had been scheduled during the APEC summit, but Noda said on Friday he would not shun a brief exchange.

Tension over the islands flared last month when Japan detained a group of Chinese activists who landed on one of them. That sparked anti-Japanese protests in several Chinese cities before Japan released the activists.


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Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
« Reply #65 on: September 10, 2012, 06:40:21 AM »
I'd urge Hu to go scwew hisself!
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« Reply #66 on: September 10, 2012, 10:35:06 AM »
I'd urge Hu to go scwew hisself!

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Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
« Reply #68 on: September 11, 2012, 08:10:51 AM »
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Is he nursing a bad back after pulling a muscle in a pick-up soccer game (or maybe in the swimming pool)?

Has he been convalescing after narrowly escaping a revenge killing by supporters of ousted local Communist Party boss Bo Xilai?

Was he in a car accident?

Or is he just really busy getting ready to lead the world's No. 2 economy ahead of an expected leadership transition next month?

I'll take the Shakespearian vote, Bo Xilai, for ten.
 

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Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
« Reply #69 on: September 11, 2012, 09:11:18 PM »

It seems the Chinese are ready to bluster and the Japanese are ready
to buy.  I don't think so.  Japan needs those sea lanes too and the
natural resources more than China.

The Globe and Mail
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China has dispatched two patrol ships to the East China Sea in a show of naval strength and antagonism toward Japan after Tokyo said it had purchased a group of disputed islands from their private owners.

The Chinese government accused Tokyo of “stealing” the barren and uninhabited islets that are known as Diaoyu in China and Senkaku in Japan. China’s aggressive response ratcheted up tensions in a long-standing conflict between the two countries over claims to the territory.[/blockquote]

Xinhua Net
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Chinese people, gov't together on Diaoyu Islands
English.news.cn   2012-09-11 22:32:52    

BEIJING, Sept. 11 (Xinhua) -- Angered by Japan's so-called "purchase" of some of the Diaoyu Islands, a Chinese territory, people in China of various walks of life have expressed support for the Chinese government in introducing countermeasures.

Despite strong warnings and opposition voiced by top Chinese leaders, the Japanese government on Tuesday signed a contract with the Kurihara family, which Japan claims is the "private owner" of the Diaoyu Islands.

"Our tolerance should not be met with cruelty. And we should call stridently for the Diaoyu Islands and must not allow any country to forcibly occupy our territory," said a netizen nicknamed "Dingxinran" in a webpost.

Some people also posted online a Japanese map drawn by the Japanese military in 1876 to prove that the Diaoyu Islands don't belong to Japan.

"As a member of the Chinese nation, I resolutely and unconditionally support the Chinese government's stance and countermeasures that aim to safeguard national dignity and sovereignty," said another netizen.

Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi said on Monday that China urges Japan to immediately revoke its wrong decision to "buy" the Diaoyu Islands and stop all actions that undermine China's territorial sovereignty.

Otherwise, all consequences should be borne only by the Japanese side, according to Yang.

On the same day, the Chinese government announced the base points and baselines of the territorial waters of Diaoyu Islands, a move that further demonstrates China's sovereignty.

China's oceanic authority has recently improved its monitoring over far-sea territory including the Diaoyu Islands.

Gao Hong, an expert on Japan studies at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, told Xinhua in an interview on Tuesday that China can use all necessary means to monitor the islands regularly, conduct patrols and offer protection to fishermen.[/blockquote]


ETA: Zero's got an article up, it has graphs and heretofore not presented interesting nautical charts.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/response-japanese-antagonism-over-senkaku-islands-china-dispatches-two-war-ships
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Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
« Reply #70 on: September 12, 2012, 07:15:20 AM »
Their "patrol ships" are lightly armed critters more adept at eavesdropping than sea battle, so whatever.  And Kadena is just due east of this place so if I were Japan I'd send a patrol boat of my own down there, inform Kadena and call the chi-Com bluff.

These Chi-Com's suffer as much low self-esteem and rampant paranoia as Cold War Rooskies!
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« Reply #71 on: September 12, 2012, 11:34:05 PM »
Link  with a new chart
 
Among the nations that claim ownership to parts of the Spratly and the Paracel Islands, the Philippine military appears the least able to stand up to China's military might. The Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) has no air force or navy that can pose a credible counter-threat to the Chinese. The Philippine Air Force (PAF) no longer has fighter jets that fly while the Philippine Navy (PN) ships are mostly of World War II vintage-except for the two Coast Guard Cutters the United States recently turned over to the Philippines, which were built in the late 1960s.
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Ambassador John Bolton talks China in "As China Muscles Into the Pacific, the U.S. Lacks a Strategy" at WSJ.com:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444273704577637560538194478.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
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    The U.S. is already perilously close to the point strategically where China will simply run the table with its claims.

    Potential hostilities are no longer hypothetical. Last week in Beijing, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton repeated the usual U.S. bromides, namely: resolving the region's maritime disputes peacefully through negotiation consistent with international-law principles regarding freedom of navigation.

    Foreign Minister Yang Jeichi replied bluntly that China was sovereign over the territories, and government media mouthpiece Xinhua warned the U.S. that "strategic miscalculations about a rising power could well lead to confrontations and even bloody conflicts, like the war between ancient Athens and Sparta. To avoid such a catastrophic scenario, Washington has to change its obsolete and doubt-ridden thinking pattern and cooperate with Beijing to settle their differences."

    China sees these waters through a prism of increasing confidence based on geographical proximity; the weakness of, and competition among, the other territorial claimants; decreasing U.S. Navy capabilities due to draconian budget reductions; President Obama's diffidence in protecting U.S. interests abroad; and, for most Americans, the uninspiring abstractness of "freedom of the seas." [/blockquote]
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Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
« Reply #72 on: September 13, 2012, 06:54:04 AM »
Yes, thanks to a populist Aquino government they took their swords and turned them into plows...so in the end the Filipino people only have themselves to blame...they thought the goverment was too tied to America militarily under Marcos and wanted to shed all ties, but they never bothered to really think about what untethered really means in this part of the world...

Bolton is sounding alarms and it is helping to build the case for new American leadership (Romney) to reverse the gutting of the military and seek sensible partners in the region with which to check growing Chi-Com military and economic expansion.

Having said that I don't know if the Filipinos are ready to step up, but the five most valuable relationships we have (or should have/should expand upon) are with Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Australia and India.

Please take notes Mr. Romney.
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Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
« Reply #73 on: September 15, 2012, 10:20:05 AM »
Hmmm...
 
http://www.weather.com/news/weather-hurricanes/sanba-western-pacific-20120914

Too bad the track doesn't swing more westerly toward the Diaoyu Islands...chaos often provides opportunity...

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« Reply #74 on: September 16, 2012, 03:30:11 PM »

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/japans-ambassador-china-dies-chinese-police-use-tear-gas-water-cannon-anti-japan-protesters

Yesterday we described that anti-Japan sentiment across China
[blockquote] "Thousands besiege Japan's embassy in Beijing over Tokyo's assertion of control over disputed islands in East China Sea." [/blockquote]
was spreading like wildfire with some even suggesting it is time to declare war on Japan (see picture) in retaliation for the unprecedented shift in Japan's status quo vis-a-vis the Senkaku Islands. Today it has gotten even worse. From Reuters: "Chinese police used pepper spray, tear gas and water cannon to break up an anti-Japan protest in southern China on Sunday as demonstrators took to the streets in scores of cities across the country in a long-running row over a group of disputed islands. The protests erupted in Beijing and many other cities on Saturday, when demonstrators besieged the Japanese embassy, hurling rocks, eggs and bottles and testing police cordons, prompting the Japanese prime minister to call on Beijing to ensure protection of his country's people and property.

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China conducts navy drill in East China Sea



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Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
« Reply #75 on: September 16, 2012, 07:16:32 PM »
So many bad actors jumping up and down in the world today demanding to be stomped on...and all we have is the SCoaMF and his merry band of appeasers and ass-kissers mucking things up even worse...

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Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
« Reply #76 on: September 16, 2012, 09:09:23 PM »

He owns it, this is his mess.  He went round the world
unlatching the cages and opening the gates.  It's all his.

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Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
« Reply #77 on: September 17, 2012, 07:01:09 AM »

He owns it, this is his mess.  He went round the world
unlatching the cages and opening the gates.  It's all his.


Yeah, and the Democrat-Media Complex led by the MFM is contorting itself into a pretzel of unique shape trying to make it not Obama's mess.  Has anyone challenged these media stooges and asked them point-blank "What is the Obama Administrations foreign policy"?

No, it opens more questions and they cannot have that!

The media also owns a big share of blood on its hands!
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« Reply #78 on: September 17, 2012, 11:12:37 AM »

September 16, 2012 10:03 am
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Japan nationalists push for islands

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