It's About Liberty: A Conservative Forum
Topics => The Police State => Topic started by: Libertas on April 08, 2014, 11:33:57 AM
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http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/04/08/armed-fed-agents-and-snipers-the-decades-long-battle-between-the-govt-and-a-nevada-rancher-that-has-finally-reached-breaking-point/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/04/08/armed-fed-agents-and-snipers-the-decades-long-battle-between-the-govt-and-a-nevada-rancher-that-has-finally-reached-breaking-point/)
::popcorn::
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... son, Dave, was arrested and allegedly roughed up Sunday for filming federal agents while outside an area designated for First Amendment activity on the restricted property.
Uh hunh.
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I sure don't want these ranchers harmed. But I sure do want federal agents harmed.
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... son, Dave, was arrested and allegedly roughed up Sunday for filming federal agents while outside an area designated for First Amendment activity on the restricted property.
Uh hunh.
That is precisely the part that infuriates me. Why, oh why, are we allowing the government to get away with the idea that the constitutional restraints on its power only apply in certain designated areas? The implication being that outside those little set asides, the government has unrestricted authority. I'm sick of hearing the term "free speech zone" -- the whole damned country is a "free speech zone" -- and I'm even more sick of hearing the stupid-ass media breathlessly repeat the term without the slightest sense of irony or curiosity.
I swear, they are no longer even pretending that their power is in any way constrained. For all intents and purposes, it's not. The formal constraints are meaningless when they're not enforced.
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The rancher said that he hopes Clark County Sheriff Doug Gillespie intervenes soon and ends the face-off once and for all.
“The federal government has no authority here,” Bundy said. “The sheriff has the authority. All he has to say is, ‘no’ and that’ll get the federal government out of here. I think he has that much power.”
It seems unlikely at this point, however, that the sheriff will intervene, as he has opted to let federal agents handle the situation. The sheriff has in the past advised Bundy on seeking legal counsel while the sheriff has extended federal deadlines.
The sheriff’s office referred media inquiries to the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department, which confirmed to TheBlaze Monday that federal officials are handling the Bundy operation.
“That incident is being handled by another agency,” a Las Vegas police spokeswoman said. “It’s something we’re referring people to the BLM.”
Asked about Bundy’s claim that the sheriff’s office has ignored him, the spokeswoman added: “There’s nothing further that’s coming from this department about that incident, this operation. We’re just referring everything over to BLM. It’s not our operation. There’s no statement that has been issued about it.”
Sheriff wussing out.
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Gutless coward. Well, he's set the precent that he'll cave to Fedcoats, so maybe the next citizen getting their rights trampled and armed goons and snipers et al stalk somebody close to him. Idiot!
And this "free speech zone" crap can be all laid at the feet of the progressives! If not for their sit-in's and smell-in's that disrupted normal business they would never have come into being...and they started being used as political weapons when they were dropped like an anvil on anti-abortion protestors...and it's gone downhill since...
Oh, don't have your permit to assemble? f**k your Constitution and Bill of Rights, no permit...it's jail and a fine for your ass, citizen!
And this...
The BLM designated 186,909 acres of the Gold Butte off-limits for the “critical desert tortoise” population in 1998. Bundy had already lost his grazing permit five years earlier for refusing to pay fees for the land, which his family has ranched since the 1870s.
http://freebeacon.com/issues/last-man-standing/ (http://freebeacon.com/issues/last-man-standing/)
So sick of Enviro-Nazi's ans their animal rights activist cousines f**king everybody over with these Draconian eco-regs!!!
Make me want to drive out there and slaughter ever damned desert tortoise I can find!!!
::machinegun::
ETA - Gov. Sandoval wades in...with talk...
http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2014/04/09/nevada-governor-calls-federal-cattle-roundup-intimidation/ (http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2014/04/09/nevada-governor-calls-federal-cattle-roundup-intimidation/)
...I'd have more respect for the Governor if he dispatched armed National Guards to flush the Fedcoats off!!!
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Gosh, I dunno...they got enough armed Fedcoats here or what?
http://www.bizpacreview.com/2014/04/09/defiant-nevada-rancher-faces-armed-federal-agents-in-escalating-confiscation-standoff-111391 (http://www.bizpacreview.com/2014/04/09/defiant-nevada-rancher-faces-armed-federal-agents-in-escalating-confiscation-standoff-111391)
Could be a Lexington & Concord moment...
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Gosh, I dunno...they got enough armed Fedcoats here or what?
http://www.bizpacreview.com/2014/04/09/defiant-nevada-rancher-faces-armed-federal-agents-in-escalating-confiscation-standoff-111391 (http://www.bizpacreview.com/2014/04/09/defiant-nevada-rancher-faces-armed-federal-agents-in-escalating-confiscation-standoff-111391)
Could be a Lexington & Concord moment...
I don't think so.. This guy is trying to fight a Federal land Grab that the State itself obviously isn't willing to fight. This rancher does not own the land in dispute - so while this may very well end in violence ( and if it does its his duty to kill at least one fed before he goes) I do not see this as the rallying call -- that will only come when they attempt to disarm us. Really this event may just be staged as a way of threatening others - see- this will happen to you if you stand against the fed ! We will send 100+ men to raid your farm and terrorize your wife and kids! Don't sell raw Milk-- that is a crime worthy of a midnight raid in which we illegally seize your property and ruin you. Don't let your cattle wander! Don't break the upcoming regulations on child labor on a farm or controlling dust as you plow.
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And that isn't more reason to open fire on tyrants...?
Not advocating... ::stirpot:: ;) ...jus' askin'...
::thinking::
ETA - http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/04/nevada-bundy-ranch-standoff-feds-taser-family-members-kill-cows-video/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/04/nevada-bundy-ranch-standoff-feds-taser-family-members-kill-cows-video/)
People should be upping the pressure on the Fedcoats IMO...
And Jeesh...
http://im41.com/archives/49279 (http://im41.com/archives/49279)
Do I got some ideas? Sure, I got ideas...
Run away! Run away!
::hysterical::
And, Hell yeah!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bk3YjY7CUAAtHNi.jpg)
http://weaselzippers.us/182359-video-feds-use-attack-dogs-and-tasers-against-protesters-trying-to-protect-nevada-cattle-ranch/ (http://weaselzippers.us/182359-video-feds-use-attack-dogs-and-tasers-against-protesters-trying-to-protect-nevada-cattle-ranch/)
::thumbsup::
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Gosh, I dunno...they got enough armed Fedcoats here or what?
http://www.bizpacreview.com/2014/04/09/defiant-nevada-rancher-faces-armed-federal-agents-in-escalating-confiscation-standoff-111391 (http://www.bizpacreview.com/2014/04/09/defiant-nevada-rancher-faces-armed-federal-agents-in-escalating-confiscation-standoff-111391)
Could be a Lexington & Concord moment...
I don't think so.. This guy is trying to fight a Federal land Grab that the State itself obviously isn't willing to fight. This rancher does not own the land in dispute - so while this may very well end in violence ( and if it does its his duty to kill at least one fed before he goes) I do not see this as the rallying call -- that will only come when they attempt to disarm us. Really this event may just be staged as a way of threatening others - see- this will happen to you if you stand against the fed ! We will send 100+ men to raid your farm and terrorize your wife and kids! Don't sell raw Milk-- that is a crime worthy of a midnight raid in which we illegally seize your property and ruin you. Don't let your cattle wander! Don't break the upcoming regulations on child labor on a farm or controlling dust as you plow.
So, who owns the land, then? The Feds? I don't care. The guy's family has been grazing on that land for a long time and they always paid the fees. What the BLM did was raise the fees to a prohibitive level in order to get all the ranchers out. That's what the dispute over how much he owes is about. It worked with the other ranchers; they got out.
If the problem is some damn turtle, what's with the fee raise? It's a ploy, is what. This is just more Agenda 21 bullsht.
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So, who owns the land, then? The Feds? I don't care. The guy's family has been grazing on that land for a long time and they always paid the fees. What the BLM did was raise the fees to a prohibitive level in order to get all the ranchers out. That's what the dispute over how much he owes is about. It worked with the other ranchers; they got out.
If the problem is some damn turtle, what's with the fee raise? It's a ploy, is what. This is just more Agenda 21 bullsht.
The State owns the land. The Feds are asserting Jurisdiction over it, and yes, its agenda 21.
The BLM admin just KILLED a whole bunch of these "endangered turtles" on purpose. The point was pushing Ranchers out of the kings forest. If this is where the revolution starts, I am fine with that. I just doubt this is it. ...and I formed that opinion before I read this (for anyone who thinks I am overly influenced by what Ann says :)
And here is Ann's take ( who used to be heavily involved in the cattle industry)
2. Regarding the cattleman in Nevada: I would strongly discourage you all from hitching your cart to this particular horse. While I have all manner of criticisms of the BLM and certainly of thuggish FEDGOV tactics, it is essential that one pick one’s battles very carefully, and this is NOT a good battle to pick. The guy in question has been grazing his cattle at essentially zero feed cost for upwards of twenty years (well, THAT makes the cattle business easier, doesn’t it!) because he stopped paying the BLM any lease charges. Again, we can debate all manner of things including the ridiculous rules about closing land to grazing in order to “protect” lizards or prairie chickens or whatever the fake “endangered species” du jour is, and certainly we can debate the existence of the BLM itself, but there is no free lunch; everyone else pays to graze. This guy is claiming, as I understand it, some grandfathered right to the land through the Mormon cult (again, BIG red flag), but I don’t buy it. This situation stinks all around to my refined sniffer, and I would NOT die on this hill. Since so many have asked, that is my read. Just be careful with this one.
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The State owns the land. The Feds are asserting Jurisdiction over it
Now, that right there is the nut of the problem...aparently Nevada likes ceding their rights to the Fedcoats...stupid on so many levels...it's why I said the Governor should call in the Guard and shoo them Fed's out...let them try to fire on Guard troopers...
And all due respect to Ann, "not the hill to die on", come on, she's more influenced by this guy than the actions the Fed's are taking, the guy in the larger scheme of things is irrelevent, the principle of state rights and reinvigorating the 10th Amendment is worth fighting and dying for!
If you are waiting for the perfect opportunity you are basically waiting to be enslaved, because you are ceding the choice of ground to fight on to the enemy...because now the Feds can say, yeah, we have and will continue to get away with this shyt! It's always gonna be harder to stop if you wait for the next hill...
::gaah::
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If any are waiting for the perfect and pure victim of the Feds overreaching before taking his side, we might as well give the hell up right now. Nobody's pure, particularly now that there are so many damn laws, everybody is "guilty" of something.
Furthermore, Ann's got her facts wrong, according to what I read and I put that in writing (about the grazing fees) a couple of posts up.
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Yup.
"the not-the-hill-to-die-on crowd" will get us all enslaved... Enough of that noise!
And yes, let us not overlook the Fedcoat design to drive an entire industry into the dust!
I guess people are capable of taking more crap than we are...time to maybe stop asking "when is critical mass going to hit?" and start pushing back to make it so?
Our frustration runneth over...
::angry::
ETA - Militia entering the fray...
http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2014/04/10/expect-to-see-a-band-of-soldiers-militia-members-arrive-at-nevada-ranch/ (http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2014/04/10/expect-to-see-a-band-of-soldiers-militia-members-arrive-at-nevada-ranch/)
All it takes is one Fedcoat firing on one citizen...
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If any are waiting for the perfect and pure victim of the Feds overreaching before taking his side, we might as well give the hell up right now. Nobody's pure, particularly now that there are so many damn laws, everybody is "guilty" of something.
Furthermore, Ann's got her facts wrong, according to what I read and I put that in writing (about the grazing fees) a couple of posts up.
"the not-the-hill-to-die-on crowd" will get us all enslaved... Enough of that noise!
My problem is I can see about a Dozen other hills better than this one, that are there right now or were there recently... Dozens of illegal checkpoints in Constitution Free Zones, The undeclared Martial Law of Boston, the seizure of Wyoming lands and gifting of it to the Indians, the Welder in Wyoming who the EPA is hassling about a stock pond, the Closure of any of the private homes on leased public land, the closure of the WWII memorial and the mall, The un-constitutional gun laws in CT and Colorado (or California.. but its a lost cause..) and so on.
I agree we aren't going to find the perfect victim of the Fed, but I think most can admit the above list all provide better and more clear cut opportunities than this one. Intellectually this isn't the hill to die on. Emotionally, however, at this point I am beyond caring when, where or how it starts, and I suspect a number of others feel the same way. I think there are a lot of folks itching to serve some justice to these thugs, and if it happens here so be it. I understand and agree this is about the Fed land grabbing and deliberately ruining the ranching business there and in consequence the families who did it for their livelihood, and that this is simply the last man standing against that malicious onslaught. I just don't like how much opportunity it gives the government to portray it ( truthfully) as a lone man laying claim to public lands for his own personal use, and not the other way around. The optics here are poor - you don't see multiple families and businesses protesting the imposition of exorbitant fees that will put them out of business, you see one family grazing cattle where everyone else has ceded control and vacated.
What is more disturbing to me is that the government is manipulating the optics and pushing for a conflict here- the things they are doing are only going to piss off people like us and goad us to action. You don't put up "first amendment areas" , and beat up protesters including pregnant women if all you want to do is move some cows. That is being done to deliberately inflame the passions of people like us.
I think TPTB are using this lone rancher's resistance to form another WACO opportunity - as a controllable rebellion false/flag event that will poison the well of public perception , and encourage the low-information drone to dismiss future events that are more clear cut as the work of "lone nuts" and "militia members" - TPTB feel this conflict is a winner for them- that they can win this in the court of public opinion, counting on the brutality they are displaying to be dismissed as what "the guilty, greedy, rancher laying claim to "our lands" deserves"...
It would be far harder to do that if the same thing were happening over a stock pond, built following the rules, on a rancher's own land. You can bet the next conflict will be on those lines, but TPTB are counting on the public assuming its another "Nevada" event and ignoring it. This is exactly the sort of "nuanced" situation these Asshats like to exploit..
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Have had enough of nuance too...
I guess the British had control of the meme in Pre-Revolutionary War America...the Sons of Liberty were called every vile name in the book including "traitors"...so,...
And who had "lawful" access to those weapons and munitions at Concord? They belonged to the militia...and I am sure the rebels thought it theirs and the British thought legally it was theirs since it was the Crown that authorized the locals to form militias in the first place and since they traditionally served under British officers when deployed into action...naturally they must obey British orders.
So, what? A few words defined by the tyrannical government and its legal interpretations that these rebels are engaging in unlawful activity and it being portrayed as such in the mainstream Loyalist media should have made it clear to these criminals that Breed's Hill and Lexington & Concord weren't the right hills to die on...for such nuanced principles all summing up to the same thing - tired of taking their tyrannical crap anymore?
Stand down, disband, go home and wait...
That's all people are doing...
...and the Tyrants will win.
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Y'all should read these:
http://www.infowars.com/breaking-sen-harry-reid-behind-blm-land-grab-of-bundy-ranch/ (http://www.infowars.com/breaking-sen-harry-reid-behind-blm-land-grab-of-bundy-ranch/)
The Bureau of Land Management, whose Director was Sen. Harry Reid’s (D-Nev.) former senior adviser, has purged documents from its web site stating that the agency wants Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy’s cattle off of the land his family has worked for over 140 years in order to make way for solar panel power stations.
... “[Reid] and his oldest son, Rory, are both involved in an effort by a Chinese energy giant, ENN Energy Group, to build a $5 billion solar farm and panel manufacturing plant in the southern Nevada desert,” he wrote. “Reid has been one of the project’s most prominent advocates, helping recruit the company during a 2011 trip to China and applying his political muscle on behalf of the project in Nevada.”
“His son, a lawyer with a prominent Las Vegas firm that is representing ENN, helped it locate a 9,000-acre (3,600-hectare) desert site that it is buying well below appraised value from Clark County, where Rory Reid formerly chaired the county commission.”
Although these reports are in plain view, the mainstream media has so far ignored this link.
.... with a link to http://danaloeschradio.com/the-real-story-of-the-bundy-ranch/ (http://danaloeschradio.com/the-real-story-of-the-bundy-ranch/)
BLM has also tried to argue that the rules have changed, long after Bundy claims he secured rights and paid his dues to Clark County, Nevada. BLM says they supersede whatever agreement Bundy had prior; they demanded that he reduce his living, his thousand-some-odd head of cattle down to a tiny herd of 150. It’s easy for the government to grant itself powers of overreach, but it doesn’t make it right. Many bad things are done in the name of unjust laws. Just look at Obamacare. This heavy-handed tactic has run the other ranchers from the area and now Bundy is the last one. He’s the last one because he stood up to the federal government.
So why does BLM want to run Bundy off this land and is Reid connected?
I discussed this on “Kelly File” tonight, video via Jim Hoft.
*UPDATE: Those who say Bundy is a “deadbeat” are making inaccurate claims. Bundy has in fact paid fees to Clark County, Nevada in an arrangement pre-dating the BLM. The BLM arrived much later, changed the details of the setup without consulting with Bundy — or any other rancher — and then began systematically driving out cattle and ranchers. Bundy refused to pay BLM, especially after they demanded he reduce his heard’s head count down to a level that would not sustain his ranch. Bundy OWNS the water and forage rights to this land. He paid for these rights. He built fences, established water ways, and constructed roads with his own money, with the approval of Nevada and BLM. When BLM started using his fees to run him off the land and harassing him, he ceased paying. So should BLM reimburse him for managing the land and for the confiscation of his water and forage rights?
Cliven Bundy’s problem isn’t that he didn’t pay — he did — or that his cattle bother tortoises — they don’t — it’s that he’s not a Reid donor.
.... and http://www.infowars.com/before-nevada-cattle-rancher-dispute-blm-was-euthanizing-endangered-desert-tortoise/ (http://www.infowars.com/before-nevada-cattle-rancher-dispute-blm-was-euthanizing-endangered-desert-tortoise/)
Months before the heated contention between the Bureau of Land Management and Nevada cattle rancher Cliven Bundy, purportedly over protecting an endangered species of desert tortoise, the BLM was euthanizing the tortoises in droves.
Lastly, http://www.infowars.com/20-cowboys-break-fed-blockade-in-nevada-retrieve-cattle/ (http://www.infowars.com/20-cowboys-break-fed-blockade-in-nevada-retrieve-cattle/)
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Good Commentary at ZH (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-11/guest-post-real-americans-are-ready-snap)
This may seem like a minor event, a tiff over cattle grazing or possibly property rights, but there is much more going on here.
Tyranny leaves lasting scars, and each tyrannical act results in an accumulation of wounds on the public psyche that do not heal. In the end, a single event can become a trigger to unleash a torrent of rage pent up in a population for years or decades. The fight for Cliven Bundy's farm has the potential to become such a trigger....
However, I believe that if this situation escalates into a Waco or Ruby Ridge brand of event, not only Liberty Movement residents of Nevada, but Liberty Movement champions across the nation will indeed finally throw down the gauntlet. What does that mean? It means they are going to start shooting. Opposing groups can debate whether this is a good thing or a bad thing, but the reality is that one way or another, it is going to happen.
Discussions within the movement are far from apathetic. Hundreds of thousands if not millions of eyes are watching every move of the BLM right now, and they should be taking this fact very seriously.
The naysayers will claim that we don't have the will to take action. They are welcome to think whatever they like. But mark my words, Constitutionally minded Americans are not going to stand by and watch another massacre, nor a loss of gun rights, nor will we be entertaining violations of our freedoms for much longer. This society is on the edge of something. It's kinetic, or electric. It is not yet quite visible but it is there, reverberating in the atmosphere. My suggestion to our federal bureaucracy would be to do what they did during the gun debate, and quickly back away.
Of course, we all know they won't.
Do the elites want to stir up insurgency in order to give pretense for a larger crackdown? They very well might. But it is transparent in the way they try to mitigate dissent and offer placation that they do not want a rebellion larger than they can manage. I think it is far too late for that. I think they've pissed off too many people, instead of just enough people. I think that though most pretend-Americans will do nothing but watch in horror or hide in their hovels, the size of resistance to the tides of despotism is growing far beyond common realizations. And, when this resistance erupts, it will shock even those who fully expect it.
Emphasis mine, because that is the big question...
I know that I have been stewing for years now, and if a legitimate change to strike back at my arrogant, elitist oppressors presents itself, I will grab it with relish and do them as much damage as I am capable of.
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Till the shooting starts it won't stop.
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Bundy wins. For now.
LINK (http://abcnews.go.com/US/nevada-cattle-rancher-wins-range-war-federal-government/story?id=23302610)
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They'll be back. And they won't be held accountable for the damage they've already done, nor the cattle they've already stolen. They're just regrouping, assessing the resistance of this go-round.
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They have the resources to continue virtually indefinitely and literally anywhere.
And it seems to me they will, and have, probably, the same group or groups of people running in circles getting in their way...until they've id'd leaders and key personnel to decapitate the movement. Just like we do to our actual enemies.
Yeah, this is not over and it will not end peacefully.
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However, they neglected to report this about good old Harry Reid's involvement.
http://www.infowars.com/feds-back-down-from-bundy-siege-after-infowars-expose-of-chinese-land-grab/ (http://www.infowars.com/feds-back-down-from-bundy-siege-after-infowars-expose-of-chinese-land-grab/)
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I agree with IDP, these thugs aren't going anywhere, they are merely re-consolidating while their masters back in the dank dark halls of Fedcoat cloakrooms plot their next move. Clearly the Filthy Harry Reid angle is something they have to re-spin, as is the thin case against Mr. Bundy, who I am sure they thought was a convenient patsy for their schemes! And now that the Desert Tortoise meme is unravelling as well. It is damage control and what decisions are made by the Feds to reassert their presummed authority...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlC6ag-IIAEcUyE.jpg)
I hope the Fedcoats choose poorly, I hope they start something they cannot hope to win!
But I fear their cloakroom antics and underhanded activity is only just beginning...
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They'll be back, after the election, for sure. Who outside of a classroom full of Poli Sci retards, could have possibly predicted this whole "pick and choose which laws to follow" thing can work both ways.
I'd prefer the law get's followed, and the people vote to change it if it's not working out. But if we keep going down this path of lawlessness, I will pick a side, and you can probably guess which side I'll pick
(http://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/contrast.jpg?w=640)
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Damn if that ain't a good pic, MNHawk!
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See...I told you so...
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid hasn't been very vocal about the cattle battle showdown in recent days, but says "it's not over."
Reid tells News4's Samantha Boatman his take on the so-called cattle battle in southern Las Vegas. "Well, it's not over. We can't have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it. So it's not over," Reid said.
http://www.mynews4.com/news/local/story/Sen-Reid-on-Cattle-Battle-Its-not-over/nT5weKnqFkezV14I5GhESg.cspx (http://www.mynews4.com/news/local/story/Sen-Reid-on-Cattle-Battle-Its-not-over/nT5weKnqFkezV14I5GhESg.cspx)
Punk ass thug! The nerve of calling someone else a criminal when he himself is the biggest criminal in the Senate! Notice he did not even try to enumerate a single crime Bundy has been charged with! I want this Senate prick to get his in the worst way!
The executive director of the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association says his sources inside the federal government warn that Washington’s weekend retreat in a dispute over grazing land in Nevada was only a move to distract attention and diffuse tensions, because a raid on the family’s ranch still is planned.
And there probably would be violence involved, said Richard Mack, the former sheriff of Graham County, Ariz.
“I don’t think it would be possible” to launch a raid without violence, he told WND Monday. “I don’t think the Bundys would lie down and be taken.”
Mack, a longtime sheriff, told WND that Reid’s statements are beyond the pale.
“That kind of stupidity, where he puts federal regulations and policies of bureaucrats ahead of a family in his state that has done no wrong or committed a crime,” Mack said.
He charged that it is Reid who is destroying his own state’s ranching industry as well as the U.S. Constitution. The sheriff chided the senator for making statements about abiding by laws.
“Isn’t that amazing? The biggest crook in Washington,” Mack said.
Yes, America is in deep, deep trouble. The good news is that there is hope,” Mack said. “We do not have to stand by and watch while America is destroyed from within. If our counties, cities, and states and all local officers keep their oaths to protect us from tyranny, we can win this battle to take our country back.”
But Bundy found support from the governor and other prominent political leaders along with a host of protesters from other states, including fellow cattle ranchers and private armed militias.
A Montana militia member, Jim Lardy, told KLAS-TV in Las Vegas his group, Operation Mutual Aid, was prepared to “provide armed response.”
He said he was not afraid to shoot, if necessary.
“They have guns. We need guns to protect ourselves from the tyrannical government,” Lardy said.
Other militia members were joining him, he said: “There is many more coming.”
http://www.wnd.com/2014/04/sheriff-feds-strategize-for-raid-on-ranch/ (http://www.wnd.com/2014/04/sheriff-feds-strategize-for-raid-on-ranch/)
Nor should they lie down, and neither should Sheriff's in this county be supporting this fascist action!
Nor should the Governor be sitting on his fat ass, he should be deploying the Guard to prevent the Feds from conducting a massacre on orders from a punk-ass Senator who wants to steal the land for his cronies and slaughter every creature, human or tortoise, that gets in his way! This is what you Feds want to die for? This is what you state and country people want to let happen to YOUR PEOPLE?!
I spit on you, and curse you to eternal damnation! Bloody cowards!
I hope this militia guy is right, I hope more people and guns are on the way...they're gonna need it!
The gaddamned Feds are hell-bent on stealing this land and giving it to their cronies and they don't care what the body count is on either side!
Judge Napolitano - "...line in the sand..."
Napolitano said the feds were forced to back down because they had suffered a public relations nightmare, pointing out that Bundy lost his case in a federal court but that the case should have been tried in a state court.
“The federal judiciary should not be deciding what land the federal government owns,” said Napolitano, adding that the feds should have placed a lien against Bundy’s property to collect grazing fees and not conducted a raid backed up by armed agents to seize his private property.
“The government’s option is to take the amount of money he owes them and docket it, that is file the lien on his property….the federal government could have done that, instead they wanted this show of force,” said Napolitano, adding, “They swooped in….with assault rifles aimed and ready and stole this guy’s property, they stole his cattle, they didn’t have the right to do that, that’s theft and they should have been arrested by state officials”.
Napolitano also chastised the BLM’s ludicrous creation of a ‘First Amendment Area’ outside of which free speech was banned. Protesters completely ignored the zone and it was quickly torn down by BLM officials after being widely derided in the media.
“They established something utterly repellant in America, a First Amendment Zone….the square was three miles away from where these events were going – this is the federal government emasculating the First Amendment rights of the protesters,” said the judge.
Napolitano characterized the resistance shown by Bundy supporters as a clear example of how Americans feel, “enough is enough with the federal government, we’re drawing a line in the sand right here – and it drew people from all around the country who basically said ‘quit your heavy handed theft of property and act like you’re a normal litigant and not God almighty’.”
http://www.infowars.com/judge-napolitano-rancher-rebellion-was-americans-line-in-the-sand/ (http://www.infowars.com/judge-napolitano-rancher-rebellion-was-americans-line-in-the-sand/)
And all God's Liberty-loving people said: "AMEN!"
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And...once again...this situation is where I part company with the foolishly naive Glenn Beck...
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/04/14/glenn-beck-warns-americans-against-falling-in-with-the-rights-version-of-occupy-wall-street/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/04/14/glenn-beck-warns-americans-against-falling-in-with-the-rights-version-of-occupy-wall-street/)
People are NOT the right's version of OWS, you want that, talk to the hardcore PaulBots, Glenn! We, I, Us...are not "looking for a fight" and We, I, Us...do "care about the facts"...the main fact being that the Federal Government has decided to throw the all of the Constitution into the shytter! Not parts of it, the whole thing! You idiot! You handholding doe-eyed ingnorant little pansy! Wake up! No due process, no legal rights, no day in court, property illegally seized and destroyed, no freedom of speech or assembly...just brute Federal force...and you want to what? Hold hands and chant? Talk about "love"? Hey, don't get me wrong, I like holding hands, and singing (well not so much, you haven't heard my voice, but others can sing!) and I like love...but that shyt ain't gonna impress the Fedcoat stormtroopers coming down the road with murder and violence in their hearts! My God! For a bright guy you can be unbelievably stupid and naive...dangerously naive! Now maybe this is your chickenhearted way of covering your ass so you can criticize Fedcoats without being thrown off the air...but hey Pal, guess what's gonna happen top you if the Feds win this one? Yeah, they'll keep winning and in the end YOU, I, WE, US...ALL FRICKEN LOSE!
I heard some unconfirmed reports that the Fedcoats when they come are going to stack the front lines with lady Fedcoats...thinking they either won't fire on lady Fedcoats (good luck with that one) or if they do they get to air that footage for their own propaganda purposes...like it matters!
What's Glenn gonna do then? Weep, talk about love?
There is a time for everything...the Fedcoats are coming to kill...
Ask the Founders what they would do!
Fracking Beck!
::gaah::
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"Well, it's not over. We can't have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it. So it's not over," Reid said.
Unless they happen to be elected officials. ::overkill::
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Harry Reid says:
“Well, it’s not over. We can’t have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it. So it’s not over,” Reid told KRNV-TV.
But,
Illegal aliens that violate the law should be allowed to stay here, since they violated our laws as an ‘Act of Love’.
I need to go listen to “The Look of Love” to find out what all the hub bub about ‘Love’ is and how it relates to the rule of law.
AllahLoveaquackBar,
Dusty
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Illegal aliens that violate the law should be allowed to stay here, since they violated our laws as an ‘Act of Love’.
"Laws" applied haphazardly and capriciously aren't laws, they are diktats from tyrants. When a lefty says "we are a nation of laws" - they mean " we won and now make and apply the rules" - they have no mental capacity for grasping the concept of the"rule of law" because they do not see others as people - but as property, and therefore simply can't conceive that real laws are applied consistently to everyone, and are not rescinded on a whim from the executive from some, while applied most brutally to to others.
They believe that political power comes from the barrel of a gun, and that is why they want gun control, so no one who opposes them has "political power" or gets a vote.
They are going to get a war, and quite frankly, its LONG overdue.
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Illegal aliens that violate the law should be allowed to stay here, since they violated our laws as an ‘Act of Love’.
"Laws" applied haphazardly and capriciously aren't laws, they are diktats from tyrants. When a lefty says "we are a nation of laws" - they mean " we won and now make and apply the rules" - they have no mental capacity for grasping the concept of the"rule of law" because they do not see others as people - but as property, and therefore simply can't conceive that real laws are applied consistently to everyone, and are not rescinded on a whim from the executive from some, while applied most brutally to to others.
They believe that political power comes from the barrel of a gun, and that is why they want gun control, so no one who opposes them has "political power" or gets a vote.
They are going to get a war, and quite frankly, its LONG overdue.
Agreed. They think it is OK to break the law to benefit themselves and they do it at a wholesale level and now they are so full of themselves they think they can get away without nary a scratch and accuse others of breaking laws they never broke or only were forced to break through illegal acts given the thinest patina of legitimacy via legislative, judicial or bureaucratic blessing! It is time they meet the final arbiter of their fate - US!
Oh, and one more damn thing before I get off my soapbox...
Where in the world are any brave Senators willing to stand up to this prick Reid and warn him in no uncertain terms his ass is next on the line if ONE citizen is harmed in this illegal Federal action?!?!?!
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot and then some?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
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"Well, it's not over. We can't have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it. So it's not over," Reid said.
Unless they happen to be elected officials. ::overkill::
When laws get applied based in what pigeon hole the government decides you belong in instead of the letter of the law then people get mixed signals and the laws no longer apply. When this administration decides to carry out all the laws there won't be an confusion by anybody.
When the IRS people are tossed in jail instead of being allowed to retire with full benefits we can talk about what's legal and what isn't. Till then it's a free for all. Good for the ranchers and all the people that stood by them.f**k harry.
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And...once again...this situation is where I part company with the foolishly naive Glenn Beck...
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/04/14/glenn-beck-warns-americans-against-falling-in-with-the-rights-version-of-occupy-wall-street/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/04/14/glenn-beck-warns-americans-against-falling-in-with-the-rights-version-of-occupy-wall-street/)
People are NOT the right's version of OWS, you want that, talk to the hardcore PaulBots, Glenn! We, I, Us...are not "looking for a fight" and We, I, Us...do "care about the facts"...the main fact being that the Federal Government has decided to throw the all of the Constitution into the shytter! Not parts of it, the whole thing! You idiot! You handholding doe-eyed ingnorant little pansy! Wake up! No due process, no legal rights, no day in court, property illegally seized and destroyed, no freedom of speech or assembly...just brute Federal force...and you want to what? Hold hands and chant? Talk about "love"? Hey, don't get me wrong, I like holding hands, and singing (well not so much, you haven't heard my voice, but others can sing!) and I like love...but that shyt ain't gonna impress the Fedcoat stormtroopers coming down the road with murder and violence in their hearts! My God! For a bright guy you can be unbelievably stupid and naive...dangerously naive! Now maybe this is your chickenhearted way of covering your ass so you can criticize Fedcoats without being thrown off the air...but hey Pal, guess what's gonna happen top you if the Feds win this one? Yeah, they'll keep winning and in the end YOU, I, WE, US...ALL FRICKEN LOSE!
I heard some unconfirmed reports that the Fedcoats when they come are going to stack the front lines with lady Fedcoats...thinking they either won't fire on lady Fedcoats (good luck with that one) or if they do they get to air that footage for their own propaganda purposes...like it matters!
What's Glenn gonna do then? Weep, talk about love?
There is a time for everything...the Fedcoats are coming to kill...
Ask the Founders what they would do!
Fracking Beck!
::gaah::
Yah, he got to me bad, too, with that.
"God is in control"; yah, we/I/us know that and I'm praying as well as I can for guidance, but Beck ain't Gandhi nor MLK and I'm not sure AT ALL it would matter if he was or a replacement showed up.
Beck went on and on about how the Founders suffered under the King for a long time before they were moved to action, but, as we haven't cogitated enough, gotten enough people on board, that it's "too soon" to even consider "violence".
Balls.
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Too many people use "God is in control" as an excuse for passivity in my opinion. Yes, God is in control, and part of that control is moving men to think, say, and do things. To put it another way, we've all heard the saying "God helps those who help themselves".
Beck's little Gandhi Complex grated on my nerves even back when he had a show on Fox News. Gandhi was lucky that his antagonists, the British, were a civilized people who were capable of being shamed and embarrassed into adhering to their own morality. Compare and contrast to the fate of Dietrich Bonhoeffer in the Nazi regime.
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Gandhi was lucky that his antagonists, the British, were a civilized people who were capable of being shamed and embarrassed into adhering to their own morality. Compare and contrast to the fate of Dietrich Bonhoeffer in the Nazi regime.
And that's exactly whom we're dealing with in today's Left -- they feel no shame nor embarrassment and they certainly have no morality as I define it. To them, the end will always justify their means, and they mean to see to our end.
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And...once again...this situation is where I part company with the foolishly naive Glenn Beck...
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/04/14/glenn-beck-warns-americans-against-falling-in-with-the-rights-version-of-occupy-wall-street/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/04/14/glenn-beck-warns-americans-against-falling-in-with-the-rights-version-of-occupy-wall-street/)
People are NOT the right's version of OWS, you want that, talk to the hardcore PaulBots, Glenn! We, I, Us...are not "looking for a fight" and We, I, Us...do "care about the facts"...the main fact being that the Federal Government has decided to throw the all of the Constitution into the shytter! Not parts of it, the whole thing! You idiot! You handholding doe-eyed ingnorant little pansy! Wake up! No due process, no legal rights, no day in court, property illegally seized and destroyed, no freedom of speech or assembly...just brute Federal force...and you want to what? Hold hands and chant? Talk about "love"? Hey, don't get me wrong, I like holding hands, and singing (well not so much, you haven't heard my voice, but others can sing!) and I like love...but that shyt ain't gonna impress the Fedcoat stormtroopers coming down the road with murder and violence in their hearts! My God! For a bright guy you can be unbelievably stupid and naive...dangerously naive! Now maybe this is your chickenhearted way of covering your ass so you can criticize Fedcoats without being thrown off the air...but hey Pal, guess what's gonna happen top you if the Feds win this one? Yeah, they'll keep winning and in the end YOU, I, WE, US...ALL FRICKEN LOSE!
I heard some unconfirmed reports that the Fedcoats when they come are going to stack the front lines with lady Fedcoats...thinking they either won't fire on lady Fedcoats (good luck with that one) or if they do they get to air that footage for their own propaganda purposes...like it matters!
What's Glenn gonna do then? Weep, talk about love?
There is a time for everything...the Fedcoats are coming to kill...
Ask the Founders what they would do!
Fracking Beck!
::gaah::
Yah, he got to me bad, too, with that.
"God is in control"; yah, we/I/us know that and I'm praying as well as I can for guidance, but Beck ain't Gandhi nor MLK and I'm not sure AT ALL it would matter if he was or a replacement showed up.
Beck went on and on about how the Founders suffered under the King for a long time before they were moved to action, but, as we haven't cogitated enough, gotten enough people on board, that it's "too soon" to even consider "violence".
Balls.
How can Beck even argue something so ridiculous? Out of his own mouth he has told us the progressive march began way back under Teddy Roosevelt and got a big kick-start from Wilson, and from FDR onward it has been almost nothing but! And he has the nerve to look at us in the eye and say with a straight face that we haven't suffered enough, that we haven't exhausted all avenues?! What a disingenuous pompous ass! There is a name Mr. Beck should learn - John Dickenson. Dickenson was from Pennsylvania and in the debate over the Declaration of Independence he was against the use of force to assert colonial rights, he abstained on the votes and refused to sign and resigned from the Continental Congress. Mr. Beck would be well advised the follow the example of Mr. Dickenson! I would challenge Mr. Beck to point to one sign, just one that there is any significant force available in this nation at this specific time (let alone any prospect for the immediate future) where our oppression and tyranny can be rolled back? No pie-in-the-sky BS, no if's and but's...I want cold hard reality, an honest assessment of the possible, not more Pollyanna hopey wishy washy fantasies! But he cannot point to anything, there is NO political movement that can a) repeal what needs to be repealled b) impeach all who need to be impeach c) arrest and prosecute all who need to be arrested and prosecutes and d) ensure measures are taken where no such lawlessness against the American people and OUR LIBERTY will ever be in danger, ever again!
If Mr. Back had ANY honor, he would abstain, he would not condemn others for doing what is necessary and which our Founders made perfectly clear is our DUTY!
ETA - The Great One: "...only so much..."
MARK LEVIN: You Can Only Push 'FREE PEOPLE' Around So Much (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHnzFUN8eEk#)
And this...
H/T - http://www.imao.us/index.php/2014/04/cartoon-of-the-day-showdown/ (http://www.imao.us/index.php/2014/04/cartoon-of-the-day-showdown/)
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Minutemen still live. Thank God!
http://www.businessinsider.com/bundy-ranch-standoff-nevada-jerry-delemus-2014-4 (http://www.businessinsider.com/bundy-ranch-standoff-nevada-jerry-delemus-2014-4)
::USA:: ::cool:: ::hat-tip:: ::clapping::
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I rather expect a media frenzy showing what an evil bunch the Militia movement is to begin shortly,.. Didn't Slick Willy pull that nonsense when he was prez just to divert attention from his serial lying..
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Well, at the height of his having sullied a tubby young intern in the Oval Office he did launch a crusie missile or two...blowing up an asprin factory in Somalia or some damned place and scaring a few camels...
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Reid's spawn Rory is a chip off the old turd...
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/04/rory-reid-we-dont-want-to-depend-on-ranching-and-mining-in-nevada-video/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/04/rory-reid-we-dont-want-to-depend-on-ranching-and-mining-in-nevada-video/)
...yes, depending upon statist thugs to secure land for your crony-capitalist schemes like effing taxpayers over for a solar boondoggle, yes, that is oh so much more honorable than ranching and mining...
What a nozzle! ::effu::
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...yes, depending upon statist thugs to secure land for your crony-capitalist schemes like effing taxpayers over for a solar boondoggle ...
And gambling ........
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...yes, depending upon statist thugs to secure land for your crony-capitalist schemes like effing taxpayers over for a solar boondoggle ...
And gambling ........
Somehow those two are related... :o
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http://weaselzippers.us/183132-pic-blm-leaves-behind-mass-grave-for-cattle-at-bundy-ranch/ (http://weaselzippers.us/183132-pic-blm-leaves-behind-mass-grave-for-cattle-at-bundy-ranch/)
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Psycho serial killers always start with animals and work their way up to humans...and statists are usually fond of the mass-grave method.
Latest from Lord Tyrranus AKA Harry Reid: Reid referred to Bundy supporters as “Nothing more than domestic terrorists,” adding, “I repeat: what happened there was domestic terrorism.”
http://www.infowars.com/harry-reid-calls-cliven-bundy-supporters-domestic-terrorists/ (http://www.infowars.com/harry-reid-calls-cliven-bundy-supporters-domestic-terrorists/)
Yes, a Sith Lord calling other people terrorists! Ha, that's rich! Well, this asshole is in nefarious company, King George called our Founders terrorists too! We'll see how well it works out for this asshole and the rest of the Fedcoats!
;)
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Oh, and check out this little bit of news (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php?topic=10570.new#new)!
Filthy Harry!
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O/T Sidebar - Re: Beck & Jones, BC @ IM41 has a good observation -
"Glenn Beck does come up with some stupid crap, but Alex Jones has been known to tell whoppers on a regular basis — so they are both right. If Beck would go back attacking Obama instead of pushing his Hare Krishna type bullsh*t. And Alex Jones would quit making up 4th grade level nonsensical yarns about what happened to him back in the day or on the way to work. They would both be more credible."
- See more at: http://im41.com/archives/49641#sthash.JvnDGlFC.dpuf (http://im41.com/archives/49641#sthash.JvnDGlFC.dpuf)
Ouch!
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BOT - This is a good read.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-17/guest-post-liberty-movement-rising (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-17/guest-post-liberty-movement-rising)
I hope and pray The Liberty Movement is alive, growing and alert! I hope people are still on watch at the Bundy ranch and make fire rain down on any fascist Fedcoat pals of Harry Reid & Co that try to execute any evil deeds!
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http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/04/bundy-ranch-supporter-michele-fiore-owns-chris-hayes-in-hot-msnbc-segment-video/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/04/bundy-ranch-supporter-michele-fiore-owns-chris-hayes-in-hot-msnbc-segment-video/)
Chris Hayes at PMSNBC is an obvious stooge of the Progressive State who likes to downplay the heavy-handed jack-booted actions of the Federal government all because he wants to nail down a incredibly flimsy legalistic argument that Mr. Bundy is this dark, evil nefarious law-breaking creature who deserves to be put down like a rabid dog for the safety and well-being of the rest of humanity...and when he is unsuccessful in baiting this local Nevada official into accepting his false and misleading legalistic pretense that Bundy is a criminal he is exposed (probably not for the first time, but I don't watch this shyt channel so I cannot say definitively) as they statist tool he is and when she (Nevada assemblywoman Michele Fiore) flips his asinine BS back on him (with some well-deserved ridicule and tone on her part!) he shuts down the discussion in typical libiot fashion when confronted with an unshakable foe!
God Bless Ms. Fiore, she wasn't having any of this libiots BS!
::clapping::
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This is good...
Nothing like a criminal calling another person a criminal...
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-20/martin-armstrong-asks-do-feds-really-own-land-nevada (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-20/martin-armstrong-asks-do-feds-really-own-land-nevada)
Nobody is a bigger criminal than the Federal government, and Harry Reid is siding with the Federal government over the people and government of his own state...that there ought to tell you all you need to know about Harry Reid and the capricious nature of democrats!
ETA - Speaking of Filthy Harry...
Not loved on Facedbook...
http://moonbattery.com/?p=44801 (http://moonbattery.com/?p=44801)
Heh! Gonna take gubmint goons a long time to track down all these Reid-defined "domestic terrorists" and deal with 'em!
Revolution? Get some! ::whoohoo::
(http://thelookingspoon.com/images/blog/galleries/cliven_bundy/1.jpg)
http://www.thelookingspoon.com/conservative-education/5507-9-of-the-best-memes-explaining-why-cliven-bundy-was-right-and-the-government-was-wrong.html (http://www.thelookingspoon.com/conservative-education/5507-9-of-the-best-memes-explaining-why-cliven-bundy-was-right-and-the-government-was-wrong.html)
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OK Militia to the rescue...
http://kfor.com/2014/04/20/oklahoma-militia-gears-up-to-fight-with-feds/ (http://kfor.com/2014/04/20/oklahoma-militia-gears-up-to-fight-with-feds/)
...Oh, and Inhofe is an ass! BLM Publically Owned? Yeah, by Progressives, douche!
::mooning::
More on that TX/OK issue...
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Texas/2014/04/21/The-Eyes-of-the-BLM-are-on-Texas (http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Texas/2014/04/21/The-Eyes-of-the-BLM-are-on-Texas)
...might need another tank, or two...pointed at the BLM!
Oh, and lookie, mass graves filled with illegally seized and slaughtered cattle...
(http://1-ps.googleusercontent.com/h/www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/552x366xbundy-ranch-cattle.jpg.pagespeed.ic.bQaIB2XSC-.jpg)
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/04/cliven-bundy-family-finds-blm-mass-cattle-graves-dead-bulls-video/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/04/cliven-bundy-family-finds-blm-mass-cattle-graves-dead-bulls-video/)
I'm sure the MFM will cover this fairly and help hold the Feds to account...
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Man, I want Harry Reid to experience justice in a real and very painful way! I cannot believe people are OK with a bunch of unelected unaccountable bureaucrats runing around all SWATed up terrorizing citizens and slaughtering their cattle over a fee dispute?!
http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-cattle-rancher-standoff-feds-20140421,0,5124398.story#axzz2zi8RIp00 (http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-cattle-rancher-standoff-feds-20140421,0,5124398.story#axzz2zi8RIp00)
http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2014/04/22/reid-something-will-happen-to-stop-nevada-rancher-cliven-bundy/ (http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2014/04/22/reid-something-will-happen-to-stop-nevada-rancher-cliven-bundy/)
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/22/bundyfest-burning-man-organizer-plans-30-days-anar/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/22/bundyfest-burning-man-organizer-plans-30-days-anar/)
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/gop-savages-harry-reid-if-first-you-don-t-succeed-lie-lie-again_787271.html?page=1 (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/gop-savages-harry-reid-if-first-you-don-t-succeed-lie-lie-again_787271.html?page=1)
The Battle of Bunkerville will be historical...just not sure which way...the first time citizens stood up to a tyrannical government or the first in many slaughters leading to our eventual enslavement to the state?
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And.. yeah, its probably a psy-op to discredit the movement. (http://hotair.com/archives/2014/04/24/bundys-comments-on-race-provide-breaking-point-for-paul-heller/)
Bundy goes full on "Racist" for cameras. Not that we aren't all fed up with the race card, but now the left will portray this as a lawbreaking backwards racist redneck thing and most people will be glad the Feds killed him and the militia men with him. Seriously, the Left couldn't have hired a person to give them a better result - and maybe they did. ... The optics on this went from bad to abysmal, and will affirm every leftist wet dream that anyone who disagrees with them is a racist and therefore be ignored.
Why give them the very tool they needed? It just stinks of psy-op.
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Uhh huh, three points...
a) Confirmation, lets see where this started, why and by whom? Typically when dealing with the left this comes out last if at all, ...
b) Some of what was said might not be nice, but is it dishonest or inherintly racist? I don't think so, the majority of progressive blacks merely traded an involuntary servitude on a white-owned plantation for voluntary servitude on a mostly white-owned plantation...pointing that out should not make one a racist...well, excepting of course progressives and those who jump for them when barked at ...
c) WTF does this have to do with anything anyway? What the Feds are attempting to get away with cannot be excused merely because of the personal opinions of a party involved...the larger issue is monumentally more important than the person at the center of it! If people are loath to give a damn about armed government overreach and lawlessness over such petty nonsense, then we all might just as well accept our chains willingly or just blow our brains out!
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Uhh huh, three points...
a) Confirmation, lets see where this started, why and by whom? Typically when dealing with the left this comes out last if at all, ...
b) Some of what was said might not be nice, but is it dishonest or inherintly racist? I don't think so, the majority of progressive blacks merely traded an involuntary servitude on a white-owned plantation for voluntary servitude on a mostly white-owned plantation...pointing that out should not make one a racist...well, excepting of course progressives and those who jump for them when barked at ...
c) WTF does this have to do with anything anyway? What the Feds are attempting to get away with cannot be excused merely because of the personal opinions of a party involved...the larger issue is monumentally more important than the person at the center of it! If people are loath to give a damn about armed government overreach and lawlessness over such petty nonsense, then we all might just as well accept our chains willingly or just blow our brains out!
I Don't disagree with any particular point. Only pointing out that Bundy just handed the Left ( and E- GOP) a loaded weapon to be used against him and by extension, us. No what he said shouldn't matter, but you know damn well that the leftist media will take it and make it matter, because the last thing they want to talk about is sending small armies to collect debts, Federal land grabs, and shady land deals involving a Democratic minority leader. Now they have a sound byte they can play endlessly instead.
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Uhh huh, three points...
a) Confirmation, lets see where this started, why and by whom? Typically when dealing with the left this comes out last if at all, ...
b) Some of what was said might not be nice, but is it dishonest or inherintly racist? I don't think so, the majority of progressive blacks merely traded an involuntary servitude on a white-owned plantation for voluntary servitude on a mostly white-owned plantation...pointing that out should not make one a racist...well, excepting of course progressives and those who jump for them when barked at ...
c) WTF does this have to do with anything anyway? What the Feds are attempting to get away with cannot be excused merely because of the personal opinions of a party involved...the larger issue is monumentally more important than the person at the center of it! If people are loath to give a damn about armed government overreach and lawlessness over such petty nonsense, then we all might just as well accept our chains willingly or just blow our brains out!
I Don't disagree with any particular point. Only pointing out that Bundy just handed the Left ( and E- GOP) a loaded weapon to be used against him and by extension, us. No what he said shouldn't matter, but you know damn well that the leftist media will take it and make it matter, because the last thing they want to talk about is sending small armies to collect debts, Federal land grabs, and shady land deals involving a Democratic minority leader. Now they have a sound byte they can play endlessly instead.
Oh yes, nothing new there as far as the demonrats go, as far as we are concerned nothing has changed though, the E-GOP will always fall for demonrat distraction ploys because they lack the intellectual and intestinal fortitude to make sure they don't get away with it. Speaking to the larger point, I see no reason we liberty-conscious folk need fear to do what we must do regardless what either brand of asshat in DC thinks or does!
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And.. yeah, its probably a psy-op to discredit the movement. (http://hotair.com/archives/2014/04/24/bundys-comments-on-race-provide-breaking-point-for-paul-heller/)
Bundy goes full on "Racist" for cameras. Not that we aren't all fed up with the race card, but now the left will portray this as a lawbreaking backwards racist redneck thing and most people will be glad the Feds killed him and the militia men with him. Seriously, the Left couldn't have hired a person to give them a better result - and maybe they did. ... The optics on this went from bad to abysmal, and will affirm every leftist wet dream that anyone who disagrees with them is a racist and therefore be ignored.
Why give them the very tool they needed? It just stinks of psy-op.
Heard about this from Beck who, imo, is a sanctimonious ass.
I'm disgusted with the search for the perfect gummint victim otherwise "disassociate yourself".
Can't stand it anymore.
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Beck is dead to me.
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This is what happens when they keep on talking. At some point they need to STFU!
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So far the side bar isn't derailing support efforts on the ground.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-nevada-range-war-20140425,0,6194816.story#axzz2zteCdbSG (http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-nevada-range-war-20140425,0,6194816.story#axzz2zteCdbSG)
::thumbsup::
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Sounds to me more like a (yes clumsy) way of lamenting what has become of the black family than any sort of genuinely racist diatribe. Alas, we live in a permanent Twilight Zone of unreality, where decrying the fact that an entire segment of the population has been systematically made into dependent wards of the state, that their human potential has been squandered as the price of admission, is somehow an attack on those very people. Being an advocate and enabler of that very system, though, oh that's to be a champion of those people!
JF is right, these people need to learn when to STFU.
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Cliven Bundy (Full) Controversial Remarks April 19, 2014 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agXns-W60MI#)
http://conservativeread.com/bundy-hoax-exposed-full-video-of-cliven-bundys-non-racist-pro-black/ (http://conservativeread.com/bundy-hoax-exposed-full-video-of-cliven-bundys-non-racist-pro-black/)
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I completely agree with what Bundy said about the Negro, and I disagree with his soft stance on illegal immigrants.
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Why is he speaking out about all these things anyway? Does he think that he has become a national spokes person or something?
He is a useful idiot for the left wing doing for them, what they couldn't get Duck Dynasty to do. Man, we win a few steps forward in the Duck Dynasty deal, and this guy comes along and pushes us back a mile.
He should realize that his expertise is on the Cattle Ranch, not in front of a microphone.
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My take on it, radioman, is that the NYT reporter went there and soft-soaped a non-media-savvy guy into "just a conversation" that was never intended to be "just a conversation". The reporter was mining and hit pay-dirt. And what I see now is the Right, "shut up, they explained".
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Don't get me wrong, what he said is dead on right. In fact, his logic went over the heads of most reporters and politicians. Fellow conservatives even jumped on the band wagon to dismiss him as an old fart racist. They didn't take the time to read what he actually said, they just reacted to two of the nuclear words.
But, he should have been schooled before now about not getting into these camp ground friendly conversations with any reporter of any stripe. They are all enemies of him, and he needs to understand that.
Oh well, I hope that he learned, and got properly schooled now.
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There's the saying that more and more people now understand: "Never talk to the police"
Well it's exactly the same with the so-called media. "Never talk to the media". Both of them will act like they're on your side, your greatest advocate, only to get you to say what they want to hear, and if necessary put the words right in your mouth.
It kind of reminds of the fiasco when that guy running for Senate in Missouri made some unnecessary and bizarre comments about pregnancy and rape. I know we cannot fall into the trap of allowing the Left to dictate terms, but I really do wish people would stop tossing them freebies in their never ending campaign of character assassination.
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#CancelGloveandBoots (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gqrm2po4vdk#ws)
Yes, probably should be under the funny thing I saw on the net, but I thinks its pretty relevant right here.
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Yes, right on the money, Weisshaupt.
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The only reason to talk to the media is to lecture them, ridicule them and let them know a day will soon arrive where their willing malfeasance will be returned 1000 fold.
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I completely agree with what Bundy said about the Negro, and I disagree with his soft stance on illegal immigrants.
Around here, the FSA isn't limited to Negroes. Other races have almost caught up to them in numbers.
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True enough Alan, but the former seem to be in full steal mode with Duh Wun calling the shots and deciding which laws apply to whom, with those sharing his politics getting the most spoils...
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http://weaselzippers.us/184591-utah-lawmaker-moves-to-disarm-blm-irs-says-theyre-not-paramilitary-units/ (http://weaselzippers.us/184591-utah-lawmaker-moves-to-disarm-blm-irs-says-theyre-not-paramilitary-units/)
Good idea, hope it works...but I hope people know their safety and well-being and property rights are in their own hands!
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http://weaselzippers.us/184591-utah-lawmaker-moves-to-disarm-blm-irs-says-theyre-not-paramilitary-units/ (http://weaselzippers.us/184591-utah-lawmaker-moves-to-disarm-blm-irs-says-theyre-not-paramilitary-units/)
Good idea, hope it works...but I hope people know their safety and well-being and property rights are in their own hands!
Amen!
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http://bundyranch.blogspot.com/ (http://bundyranch.blogspot.com/)
Feds have been putting the screws to the Sheriff quite a while, people been talking to him and sending in letters and emails too, but it sounds like he is going to make the call on what to do pretty soon.
Hope he sides with people over the Central Government.
::praying::