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Title: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: jpatrickham on September 01, 2011, 12:22:51 PM
Alexander's Essay – September 1, 2011
 
The Essential Question in Any Political Debate

The most important inquiry conservatives must posit in every policy debate: "What does our Constitution authorize and mandate?"

"The Constitution which at any time exists, 'till changed by an explicit and authentic act of the whole People is sacredly obligatory upon all." --George Washington

The most vital debate of the 2012 political cycle, indeed the essential question in any political debate, is one that you will not hear much about unless you are represented by one of the authentic conservatives who have carried the banner of the Reagan Revolution into the 21st century, or you are represented by one of those much-maligned Tea Party "radicals."


http://patriotpost.us/alexander/2011/09/01/the-essential-question-in-any-political-debate/ (http://patriotpost.us/alexander/2011/09/01/the-essential-question-in-any-political-debate/)
Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: Pandora on September 01, 2011, 12:35:21 PM
May I just point out here that the House Republicans read aloud the Constitution (parts of it, anyway) when their session began and it's made no difference that I can see.
Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: LadyVirginia on September 01, 2011, 12:37:56 PM
May I just point out here that the House Republicans read aloud the Constitution (parts of it, anyway) when their session began and it's made no difference that I can see.

 ::deercorn::
Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: AmericanPatriot on September 01, 2011, 12:44:46 PM
I like Alexander.
Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: Libertas on September 01, 2011, 01:22:27 PM
May I just point out here that the House Republicans read aloud the Constitution (parts of it, anyway) when their session began and it's made no difference that I can see.

I've made that point myself.

Sad, isn't it.  When one side is absent from battle the victory is handed to the enemy on a silver platter.

Drives

Me

Fricken

Nuts

!

!

!

 ::gaah::
Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: CatholicCrusader on September 01, 2011, 02:24:47 PM
May I just point out here that the House Republicans read aloud the Constitution (parts of it, anyway) when their session began and it's made no difference that I can see.

And exactly how much of a difference do you expect to be wrought by one half of one third of the government in six months.  ???
Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: Pandora on September 01, 2011, 02:28:04 PM
Three words:  Debt. Ceiling. Raise.
Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: jpatrickham on September 01, 2011, 02:58:16 PM
May I just point out here that the House Republicans read aloud the Constitution (parts of it, anyway) when their session began and it's made no difference that I can see.

And exactly how much of a difference to you expect to be wrought by one half of one third of the government in six months.  ???


God willing, all of it!
Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: RickZ on September 01, 2011, 04:21:10 PM
May I just point out here that the House Republicans read aloud the Constitution (parts of it, anyway) when their session began and it's made no difference that I can see.

And exactly how much of a difference to you expect to be wrought by one half of one third of the government in six months.  ???

Duels in Weehawken, NJ at dawn.

/It worked for Aaron Burr.  For Alexander Hamilton, not so much.
Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: CatholicCrusader on September 01, 2011, 04:26:44 PM
And exactly how much of a difference do you expect to be wrought by one half of one third of the government in six months.  ???
Three words:  Debt. Ceiling. Raise.

A little naive my friend.

True, they could have gone balls out blocked it, and maybe lost the White House in 2012 because of the massive negative press that would have resulted.

The idea is to win the war, not win a battle and lose the war.
Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: CatholicCrusader on September 01, 2011, 04:30:02 PM
May I just point out here that the House Republicans read aloud the Constitution (parts of it, anyway) when their session began and it's made no difference that I can see.

And exactly how much of a difference do you expect to be wrought by one half of one third of the government in six months.  ???


God willing, all of it!

Thats the goal, for sure
.
But sometimes discretion is the better part of valor....  ..or something like that.

Or, "He who fights and runs away, lives to fight another day."

That battle would have cost dearly politically, and might have given the edge to Obama in 2012. Would that have been worth it?
Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: Glock32 on September 01, 2011, 04:45:34 PM
The point in bringing up their reading of the Constitution is that their behavior both before and since shows that little demonstration as nothing more than a sop to limited-government. The days when that sort of thing bought them enough good favor are over.
Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: IronDioPriest on September 01, 2011, 05:05:17 PM
...A little naive my friend....

Just a friendly suggestion... Maybe get a lay of the land before calling admins or anyone else here "naive". Disagree with the point, and you've got no trouble. But we save our name-calling for the enemies of liberty, not our allies and friends.

Carry on.

 ::grouphug::
Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: Pandora on September 01, 2011, 05:26:07 PM
And exactly how much of a difference do you expect to be wrought by one half of one third of the government in six months.  ???
Three words:  Debt. Ceiling. Raise.

A little naive my friend.

True, they could have gone balls out blocked it, and maybe lost the White House in 2012 because of the massive negative press that would have resulted.

The idea is to win the war, not win a battle and lose the war.

The question was what good could their small amount of control have accomplished, and I answered.

I noticed a massive amount of negative press, and a lot of lies told about the Republican participants -- and the TEA Party -- and about the entire process, notwithstanding.  The Republicans caving the way they did, with the added injury of phony "cuts", angered and outraged the folks who not only will be seeing to winning the WH in '12, but how the enormous mess made out of this country will be handled thereafter.
Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: Janny on September 01, 2011, 05:31:38 PM
Okay, I made a reply to CatholicCrusader, and apparently it got lost in the  internet ether. I'll try again, with a briefer version.


Maybe we will lose in 2012 because we did NOT go balls out on the debt ceiling.

Are you suggesting that what actually happened did not generate massive negative press?  We are not going to win battles or the war, if we do what we think will generate less negative press coverage.

We need to do what is RIGHT. That is what will help us win. Not worrying about how the press treats us. Worrying about how the press treats us is NEVER the right thing to do.
Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: CatholicCrusader on September 01, 2011, 05:42:32 PM
Maybe we will lose in 2012 because we did NOT go balls out on the debt ceiling.

I suppose its possible, but I don't think the direction the polls were starting to shift supports that theory.

Are you suggesting that what actually happened did not generate massive negative press?

It did generate negative press, yes, but Obama bore a good portion of the bad press. Hence his rotten poll numbers.
Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: CatholicCrusader on September 01, 2011, 05:44:46 PM
...A little naive my friend....

Just a friendly suggestion... Maybe get a lay of the land before calling admins or anyone else here "naive". Disagree with the point, and you've got no trouble. But we save our name-calling for the enemies of liberty, not our allies and friends...........

Oh man, I hate this stuff.
I thought the statement was naive. I didn't say the person was naive and I did not call anyone any names.

If this is a sign of things to come, maybe I'd better get out now.

You can delete my account.
Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: Weisshaupt on September 01, 2011, 05:46:13 PM

The most important inquiry conservatives must posit in every policy debate: "What does our Constitution authorize and mandate?"

Liberals can't even understand that question (and to be fair most elected GOP only know enough to give lip service to the idea) . They all think the Constitution is old and irrelevant and won't even agree it should be followed - after all it was written by dead, racist, slave owning, white men, and it can therefore be disregarded.

The only way a liberal understands something is when it is couched in terms that affect him.

Ultimately it comes down to hitting them over and over and over again with Thomas Sowell's questions for destroying any liberal argument

1) At what Cost? (e.g. You want to spend $15 Trillion on an "insurance policy" against global warming?")
2) Compared to what?  (Woman are oppressed in the U.S.? What happens to them in the Muslim world)
3) Do you have any hard evidence of that? ( So, what research or facts lead you to that conclusion? You heard it on the Daily Show? And Al Gore said it? I see. Those aren't really facts so much as hearsay, huh?  What arguments did those guys make? None? Hmmm.  So what  are the opposing arguments? Never heard them huh? Doesn't being a free thinker require you to hear both sides and THEN make up your mind? )
4) Who is to decide? (Do you really want a man like GWB ( or Perry) in charge of your health care? No?  Then why did you  vote to give them that power? )
Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: Pandora on September 01, 2011, 05:51:23 PM
...A little naive my friend....

Just a friendly suggestion... Maybe get a lay of the land before calling admins or anyone else here "naive". Disagree with the point, and you've got no trouble. But we save our name-calling for the enemies of liberty, not our allies and friends...........

Oh man, I hate this stuff.
I thought the statement was naive. I didn't say the person was naive and I did not call anyone any names.

If this is a sign of things to come, maybe I'd better get out now.

You can delete my account.

Easy now; no need for all this.
Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: Pandora on September 01, 2011, 05:58:02 PM

The most important inquiry conservatives must posit in every policy debate: "What does our Constitution authorize and mandate?"

Liberals can't even understand that question (and to be fair most elected GOP only know enough to give lip service to the idea) . They all think the Constitution is old and irrelevant and won't even agree it should be followed - after all it was written by dead, racist, slave owning, white men, and it can therefore be disregarded.

The only way a liberal understands something is when it is couched in terms that affect him.

Ultimately it comes down to hitting them over and over and over again with Thomas Sowell's questions for destroying any liberal argument

1) At what Cost? (e.g. You want to spend $15 Trillion on an "insurance policy" against global warming?")
2) Compared to what?  (Woman are oppressed in the U.S.? What happens to them in the Muslim world)
3) Do you have any hard evidence of that? ( So, what research or facts lead you to that conclusion? You heard it on the Daily Show? And Al Gore said it? I see. Those aren't really facts so much as hearsay, huh?  What arguments did those guys make? None? Hmmm.  So what  are the opposing arguments? Never heard them huh? Doesn't being a free thinker require you to hear both sides and THEN make up your mind? )
4) Who is to decide? (Do you really want a man like GWB ( or Perry) in charge of your health care? No?  Then why did you  vote to give them that power? )

Wasn't it Sowell who wrote something to the effect of/that many "problems" cannot be solved; there can only be trade-offs?
Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: IronDioPriest on September 01, 2011, 06:00:11 PM
...A little naive my friend....

Just a friendly suggestion... Maybe get a lay of the land before calling admins or anyone else here "naive". Disagree with the point, and you've got no trouble. But we save our name-calling for the enemies of liberty, not our allies and friends...........

Oh man, I hate this stuff.
I thought the statement was naive. I didn't say the person was naive and I did not call anyone any names.

If this is a sign of things to come, maybe I'd better get out now.

You can delete my account.

Really? That's a bit of an over-reaction in my opinion.

Thing is, we're a long-time community of friends here. If you'd taken the time to read into our history at all, you'd know this. You've been welcomed. We don't want wallflowers. If you'd taken the time to look around at the people here, you'd understand that. But there are a few years of history here before your arrival. Is it too much to ask that you respect that, and become "one of us", before calling people naive?

I don't know about you, but I don't walk into a house full of strangers and start telling them they're naive. I observe, fellowship, and offer my opinion. I learn who's who, and make friends. I become more bold over time, as I am accepted as part of the group.

I'm not deleting your account. You can, if you don't want to be here. All I asked for - mildly, I might add - was a bit of respect for those who were here before you. If you don't want to give it, you're not my problem.
Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: Janny on September 01, 2011, 06:10:32 PM
Maybe we will lose in 2012 because we did NOT go balls out on the debt ceiling.

I suppose its possible, but I don't think the direction the polls were starting to shift supports that theory.

Are you suggesting that what actually happened did not generate massive negative press?

It did generate negative press, yes, but Obama bore a good portion of the bad press. Hence his rotten poll numbers.

Sorry, but this selective quoting of my posts glosses over my main point, which is that we have to do what is right, and not worry about what the press says.

And there are MULTIPLE reasons for Obama's tanking poll numbers. Your simplistic analysis does not hold water, IMO.
Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: Weisshaupt on September 01, 2011, 06:53:42 PM
Wasn't it Sowell who wrote something to the effect of/that many "problems" cannot be solved; there can only be trade-offs?

Something like that. He is an economist, and so sees everything in economic terms. Not sure if he was the originator, or if he was quoting someone else-- but the best expression of the principle was "A  country that could put a man on the moon should be able to do XYZ! To which one replies "No, because we already spent the money going to moon."

If XYA was free, and people wanted it, we would already have it.  Therefore XYZ comes with a cost, and paying that cost means we will have to give something else  up.
Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: RickZ on September 01, 2011, 07:40:56 PM
Sorry, but this selective quoting of my posts glosses over my main point, which is that we have to do what is right, and not worry about what the press says.

Yurp.

And when asked a stupid, insipid, ridiculous question on some alphabet soup news interview show (sorry AS), they must come out swinging, must come out making fun of and laughing at asinine questions, no matter who asks them.  One way to whip the media is to force them to cover such rejoinders.  Being able to openly mock Democrats' more insane and communist ideas is the key to winning the real moderates, those who think for themselves.

I still don't like, though, the idea of independents voting in a primary for anyone other than their own Independemnt Party (closed primaries).  Make a choice; pick a side.
Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: trapeze on September 01, 2011, 07:58:47 PM
...A little naive my friend....

Just a friendly suggestion... Maybe get a lay of the land before calling admins or anyone else here "naive". Disagree with the point, and you've got no trouble. But we save our name-calling for the enemies of liberty, not our allies and friends...........

Oh man, I hate this stuff.
I thought the statement was naive. I didn't say the person was naive and I did not call anyone any names.

If this is a sign of things to come, maybe I'd better get out now.

You can delete my account.

You have got to be kidding. Really? Seriously? Over that?

Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: Glock32 on September 01, 2011, 08:00:37 PM
I think Sowell did play a large role in promulgating that "everything is a trade-off" axiom. David Mamet, the liberal-become-conservative playwright, cited this (and Sowell in particular) as playing a big role in his awakening.

To the list of questions, I would add one more that Sowell always asks: "What did we do before?"

These questions are so simple, yet can really lay bare all manner of clever sophistry. Sowell is a first rate intellect.
Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: trapeze on September 01, 2011, 08:22:17 PM

The most important inquiry conservatives must posit in every policy debate: "What does our Constitution authorize and mandate?"


Unfortunately, though, liberals and conservatives see the Constitution differently and that makes asking that question not very definitive in a policy debate.

For example, conservatives tend to see the the Constitution as a document that limits government whereas liberals see it more as a quaint historical tourist attraction housed at the National Archives.
Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: jpatrickham on September 01, 2011, 08:58:09 PM
Wow, this post has taken on a life of it's own. I assure you I wasn't looking for trouble. I hope everyone can agree to disagree and let it go at that. My main concern is Liberalism has morphed into the most dangerous Ideological entity ever. More dangerous than Nazism, and Communism. Not in the lives lost but, in the hold they have on People. Liberalism can be the last straw. Conservatism in it's broadest form is the only thing that can check it. Make no mistake, we must check it! 
Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: Glock32 on September 01, 2011, 09:04:47 PM
Wow, this post has taken on a life of it's own. I assure you I wasn't looking for trouble. I hope everyone can agree to disagree and let it go at that. My main concern is Liberalism has morphed into the most dangerous Ideological entity ever. More dangerous than Nazism, and Communism. Not in the lives lost but, in the hold they have on People. Liberalism can be the last straw. Conservatism in it's broadest form is the only thing that can check it. Make no mistake, we must check it! 

This is absolutely true. As I've stated in another thread, liberalism is like cultural AIDS, an insidious disease in the body-politic of a civilization. It corrupts the institutions of a society, perverts them and renders them ineffective in their legitimate functions and aggressively self-destructive in others.

The one example that continues to remind me of this is the threat posed to the West by Islam. In every empirical sense, Islam is to the West no more than an annoying insect to be swatted away with relative ease. But because of liberalism's cultural rot, these external threats become true dangers because we lack the collective will to deal with them.
Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: IronDioPriest on September 01, 2011, 09:13:03 PM
Wow, this post has taken on a life of it's own. I assure you I wasn't looking for trouble. I hope everyone can agree to disagree and let it go at that....

I didn't think anyone was looking for trouble - particularly not you JP - but I didn't think CC was looking for trouble either. I just tried in the mildest way I knew to suggest to CC that calling established members who he doesn't know "naive" on his first day here might be rethought and approached fresh. We don't ask anyone to walk on eggshells. At the same time, we are an established community into which we invite anyone who shares our concern for the nation. Having people answer that invitation by name-calling on their first day is just... rude; unintentionally so, I am certain. I tried to convey that to CC, but I guess I failed. Perhaps knowing him, you could speak to him on my behalf, let him know I wasn't trying to chase him away. But as I said, if he doesn't want to be here, it can't be my problem.

...My main concern is Liberalism has morphed into the most dangerous Ideological entity ever. More dangerous than Nazism, and Communism. Not in the lives lost but, in the hold they have on People. Liberalism can be the last straw. Conservatism in it's broadest form is the only thing that can check it. Make no mistake, we must check it! 

You're in the right place brother.
Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: Weisshaupt on September 01, 2011, 09:20:19 PM
Not in the lives lost but, in the hold they have on People. Liberalism can be the last straw. Conservatism in it's broadest form is the only thing that can check it. Make no mistake, we must check it!  

As resident pessimist, I have to point out that Conservatism  is unlikely to be able  check it at this point. As this thread pointed out, just winning the elections requires unseemly compromises. As I have pointed out on other threads, there just isn't an option to fix this anymore. The Tea Party could have gotten everything they wanted, and it wouldn't matter. Conservatism isn't going to check this. The liberals cannot think, they cannot listen. They cannot be reasoned with. They will not stop. We cannot check them. Reality, however, can, and  will.

 And the reality is someone has to get slaughtered, and someone's ox must be gored - Social Security/Medicare   Recipients,  foreign creditors- someone isn't going to get paid and promises are not going to be kept.  It will be a default in some way shape or form. If the Tea Party gets their way, it WILL force a very painful deflationary depression - and  in the short term .  If the Liberals get theirs, we WILL eventually get hyperinflation. It really the whole band-aid question - are you the type to rip it off and take the pain now, or the type to try and procrastinate and take it off bit by bit? Pain is involved either way. I , like most of this forum, would prefer a deflationary depression - I saved money, and I would be rewarded for doing so in such an event, and the event would be shorter lived. Prices would return to normal quickly  and then we can get on with rebuilding. . But the majority of Americans didn't save money, so extend and pretend, and make the problem bigger and worse  is and will remain the name of the game.

And when this goes it will be world wide,  and the standard of living world wide will drop at least 50%, and there is a really good chance there will be a World War, since similar events caused the last two.  Its rather unchristian of me, but I am hoping that most of the liberals die in the political upheaval, riots, and famines that follow. I certainly won't lift a finger to save or help them.  




Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: Pandora on September 01, 2011, 09:27:34 PM
Wow, this post has taken on a life of it's own. I assure you I wasn't looking for trouble. I hope everyone can agree to disagree and let it go at that. My main concern is Liberalism has morphed into the most dangerous Ideological entity ever. More dangerous than Nazism, and Communism. Not in the lives lost but, in the hold they have on People. Liberalism can be the last straw. Conservatism in it's broadest form is the only thing that can check it. Make no mistake, we must check it! 

This is NOT on you!

IDP's right; you're in the right place for relating to the rest and forming a working opposition.
Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: IronDioPriest on September 01, 2011, 09:31:42 PM
...The liberals cannot think, they cannot listen. They cannot be reasoned with. They will not stop. We cannot check them....

So essentially what you're saying is...

Dawn of the Dead - Zombie Hunt (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F83GtW-FVC8#)
Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: Pandora on September 01, 2011, 09:35:45 PM
Quote
The liberals cannot think, they cannot listen. They cannot be reasoned with. They will not stop. We cannot check them.

Terminating the terminators.
Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: Weisshaupt on September 01, 2011, 10:14:12 PM
...The liberals cannot think, they cannot listen. They cannot be reasoned with. They will not stop. We cannot check them....

So essentially what you're saying is...

Dawn of the Dead - Zombie Hunt (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F83GtW-FVC8#)

Boy, are they are doing it wrong.  Rule #2 Double Tap.

Zombie Land Double Tap Human Happy Meal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDJedaxA2eU#ws)

Woulda. Coulda. Shoulda. Problem is these Zombies look and act like people well enough that we can't just shoot them and point and say "Zombie" - They are more like body snatchers - except these snatchers are overly emotional and completely irrational - which just means its more hate filled when they point at you and scream because you are not one of them.

Invasion of the Body Snatchers edited end scene clip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWr80meNvSQ#)


 (Case in point, in the recent remake of the Body Snatchers,  the liberals wonder if life isn't  better under the snatchers, because in the absence of free will, there was no war.  No kidding. )
Here are the snatchers (liberals)  explaining how,with unity, life is better. (8:30)  Yeah. Thats spooky isn't it? You have heard those some words come out of a liberal's mouth haven't you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oILJyErMmo&feature=player_profilepage#t=492s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oILJyErMmo&feature=player_profilepage#t=492s)

In the end the humans launch an attack, and we get a demonstration of how awful humans are compared to the snatchers. (1;30)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smo2FMmn4Jo&feature=player_profilepage#t=86s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smo2FMmn4Jo&feature=player_profilepage#t=86s)






Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: Pandora on September 01, 2011, 10:23:58 PM
Aw sht.  Now that's just damned depressing.
Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: charlesoakwood on September 01, 2011, 10:28:52 PM

The one example that continues to remind me of this is the threat posed to the West by Islam. In every empirical sense, Islam is to the West no more than an annoying insect to be swatted away with relative ease. But because of liberalism's cultural rot, these external threats become true dangers because we lack the collective will to deal with them.


DDT ace insecticide and saves lives too; bring it back.

Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: trapeze on September 02, 2011, 12:10:32 AM

You can delete my account.

(http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/6413/20110803madaboutsomethi.jpg) (http://www.notquitewrong.com/rosscottinc/comics/2011-08-03-madaboutsomething.jpg)
Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: Predator Don on September 02, 2011, 12:12:51 AM
Dang....the essential question answered...... ::hysterical::
Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: Pandora on September 02, 2011, 12:24:23 AM
Dang....the essential question answered...... ::hysterical::

'Zack right!  Right on, trap!
Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: trapeze on September 02, 2011, 12:34:20 AM
I hope he comes back.

Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: Predator Don on September 02, 2011, 12:44:38 AM
I hope he comes back.




After he says 3 Hail Mary's......


Seriously, I hope he does....but from his reaction to a mild word of caution, it does not appear this was his first run in with boards.
Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: trapeze on September 02, 2011, 01:07:49 AM
If he comes back I will be mildly impressed. It's not easy coming back after an opening act like that. Still, I wanted to argue/debate/discuss things with him and didn't get the chance.
Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: Libertas on September 02, 2011, 07:47:03 AM
What I miss?
Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: IronDioPriest on September 02, 2011, 09:34:24 AM
What I miss?

Not exactly sure. Could've gone better though.
Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: Alphabet Soup on September 02, 2011, 09:39:09 AM
Gadzooks - I can't leave you people alone for five minutes.... ::gaah::
Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: jpatrickham on September 02, 2011, 09:43:56 AM
Wow, this post has taken on a life of it's own. I assure you I wasn't looking for trouble. I hope everyone can agree to disagree and let it go at that....

I didn't think anyone was looking for trouble - particularly not you JP - but I didn't think CC was looking for trouble either. I just tried in the mildest way I knew to suggest to CC that calling established members who he doesn't know "naive" on his first day here might be rethought and approached fresh. We don't ask anyone to walk on eggshells. At the same time, we are an established community into which we invite anyone who shares our concern for the nation. Having people answer that invitation by name-calling on their first day is just... rude; unintentionally so, I am certain. I tried to convey that to CC, but I guess I failed. Perhaps knowing him, you could speak to him on my behalf, let him know I wasn't trying to chase him away. But as I said, if he doesn't want to be here, it can't be my problem.

...My main concern is Liberalism has morphed into the most dangerous Ideological entity ever. More dangerous than Nazism, and Communism. Not in the lives lost but, in the hold they have on People. Liberalism can be the last straw. Conservatism in it's broadest form is the only thing that can check it. Make no mistake, we must check it! 

You're in the right place brother.


I believe you are right. Conservative Forum, was a gotcha type. People would go behind your back and say horrible things. People were always being kicked off. As fast as they started, another would be banned. Some, tried setting you up. It was the worst experience ever. There are many refugee's from that forum, and I hope they end up here. I think I have found a home!
Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: Pandora on September 02, 2011, 09:49:35 AM
Wow, this post has taken on a life of it's own. I assure you I wasn't looking for trouble. I hope everyone can agree to disagree and let it go at that....

I didn't think anyone was looking for trouble - particularly not you JP - but I didn't think CC was looking for trouble either. I just tried in the mildest way I knew to suggest to CC that calling established members who he doesn't know "naive" on his first day here might be rethought and approached fresh. We don't ask anyone to walk on eggshells. At the same time, we are an established community into which we invite anyone who shares our concern for the nation. Having people answer that invitation by name-calling on their first day is just... rude; unintentionally so, I am certain. I tried to convey that to CC, but I guess I failed. Perhaps knowing him, you could speak to him on my behalf, let him know I wasn't trying to chase him away. But as I said, if he doesn't want to be here, it can't be my problem.

...My main concern is Liberalism has morphed into the most dangerous Ideological entity ever. More dangerous than Nazism, and Communism. Not in the lives lost but, in the hold they have on People. Liberalism can be the last straw. Conservatism in it's broadest form is the only thing that can check it. Make no mistake, we must check it! 

You're in the right place brother.


I believe you are right. Conservative Forum, was a gotcha type. People would go behind your back and say horrible things. People were always being kicked off. As fast as they started, another would be banned. Some, tried setting you up. It was the worst experience ever. There are many refugee's from that forum, and I hope they end up here. I think I have found a home!

Was there either a "Chicago Gabriel" or "Gabriel" there, jpat?

Yes, stay!
Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: jpatrickham on September 02, 2011, 10:39:39 AM
Wow, this post has taken on a life of it's own. I assure you I wasn't looking for trouble. I hope everyone can agree to disagree and let it go at that....

I didn't think anyone was looking for trouble - particularly not you JP - but I didn't think CC was looking for trouble either. I just tried in the mildest way I knew to suggest to CC that calling established members who he doesn't know "naive" on his first day here might be rethought and approached fresh. We don't ask anyone to walk on eggshells. At the same time, we are an established community into which we invite anyone who shares our concern for the nation. Having people answer that invitation by name-calling on their first day is just... rude; unintentionally so, I am certain. I tried to convey that to CC, but I guess I failed. Perhaps knowing him, you could speak to him on my behalf, let him know I wasn't trying to chase him away. But as I said, if he doesn't want to be here, it can't be my problem.

...My main concern is Liberalism has morphed into the most dangerous Ideological entity ever. More dangerous than Nazism, and Communism. Not in the lives lost but, in the hold they have on People. Liberalism can be the last straw. Conservatism in it's broadest form is the only thing that can check it. Make no mistake, we must check it! 

You're in the right place brother.


I believe you are right. Conservative Forum, was a gotcha type. People would go behind your back and say horrible things. People were always being kicked off. As fast as they started, another would be banned. Some, tried setting you up. It was the worst experience ever. There are many refugee's from that forum, and I hope they end up here. I think I have found a home!

Was there either a "Chicago Gabriel" or "Gabriel" there, jpat?

Yes, stay!


Gabriel sounds familiar, and YES! Wild Horses Couldn't Drag Me Away! ::USA::
Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: LadyVirginia on September 02, 2011, 03:27:47 PM
You guys are fun.


 ::danceban:: ::danceban:: ::danceban:: ::danceban:: ::danceban::





Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: trapeze on September 02, 2011, 07:55:32 PM
Conservative Catholics sure are a touchy lot. Walk on eggshells I guess.
Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: trapeze on September 02, 2011, 07:59:35 PM
I believe you are right. Conservative Forum, was a gotcha type. People would go behind your back and say horrible things. People were always being kicked off. As fast as they started, another would be banned. Some, tried setting you up. It was the worst experience ever. There are many refugee's from that forum, and I hope they end up here. I think I have found a home!

What is this "Conservative Forum?" Is it still around? Can we recruit any of these refugees? You aren't speaking of "Conservative Talk," are you? The place run by nanosecondinvestments? Surely you aren't referring to that place.

Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: Pandora on September 02, 2011, 08:08:32 PM
You guys are fun.


 ::danceban:: ::danceban:: ::danceban:: ::danceban:: ::danceban::







Why in the hell does that little guy keep stopping dancing?!
Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: John Florida on September 02, 2011, 08:23:25 PM
You guys are fun.


 ::danceban:: ::danceban:: ::danceban:: ::danceban:: ::danceban::







Why in the hell does that little guy keep stopping dancing?!

 He gets pooped.GEEZ!
Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: jpatrickham on September 02, 2011, 09:33:56 PM
I believe you are right. Conservative Forum, was a gotcha type. People would go behind your back and say horrible things. People were always being kicked off. As fast as they started, another would be banned. Some, tried setting you up. It was the worst experience ever. There are many refugee's from that forum, and I hope they end up here. I think I have found a home!

What is this "Conservative Forum?" Is it still around? Can we recruit any of these refugees? You aren't speaking of "Conservative Talk," are you? The place run by nanosecondinvestments? Surely you aren't referring to that place.






Yes it is still there conservativeforum.com has a Military them but, basically run by old Ladies. With appologies to all the Women on this Forum! :-[
Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: LadyVirginia on September 02, 2011, 09:35:04 PM
You guys are fun.


 ::danceban:: ::danceban:: ::danceban:: ::danceban:: ::danceban::







Why in the hell does that little guy keep stopping dancing?!

 He gets pooped.GEEZ!


One of these days he's gonna split.

 ::exitstageleft::
Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: jpatrickham on September 02, 2011, 09:41:40 PM
You guys are fun.


 ::danceban:: ::danceban:: ::danceban:: ::danceban:: ::danceban::







Why in the hell does that little guy keep stopping dancing?!

 He gets pooped.GEEZ!


One of these days he's gonna split.

 ::exitstageleft::


I still love that dancing banana Man! ::danceban:: ::bananadance::
Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: Pandora on September 02, 2011, 09:41:50 PM
Oh Good Grief!  A two-thirds of a pun -- a P.U.
Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: jpatrickham on September 02, 2011, 09:54:11 PM
Oh Good Grief!  A two-thirds of a pun -- a P.U.



 ::hysterical::  two thirds hysterics!
Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: LadyVirginia on September 02, 2011, 09:58:53 PM
Oh Good Grief!  A two-thirds of a pun -- a P.U.



 ::hysterical::  two thirds hysterics!

 ...which has its appeal

 ::danceban:: ::danceban:: ::danceban::
Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: CatholicCrusader on September 03, 2011, 07:31:26 PM
If he comes back I will be mildly impressed. It's not easy coming back after an opening act like that. Still, I wanted to argue/debate/discuss things with him and didn't get the chance.

Now you have the chance.

..........and be impressed.  :D
Title: Re: The Essential Question in Any Political Debate
Post by: IronDioPriest on September 03, 2011, 07:32:01 PM
Happy to see you taking another stab at it CC. Did you receive my PM?