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Global warmists finally admit it is fiction

The New York Times now is hoping that “Prize-Winning Novels Shift Attitudes on Global Warming.”

Technically, the Greenwire blog at the New York Times is just asking the question: “Will Prize-Winning Novels Shift Attitudes on Global Warming?”

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From the New York Times:
[blockquote]A New York couple rushes toward the Hudson River at the end of a January day, eager to see the sunset. They crave a view of nature because the Manhattan they live in sits partly behind a wall, a barricade built to block rising waters.

The sun will slip below the battlement at 4:23 p.m., winter days ending early because the Earth’s orbit has shifted.

It’s a vision of the future in the novel that won this year’s Pulitzer Prize for fiction.

“A Visit from the Goon Squad,” which tells the story of people connected by the music business, bounces back and forth over time. When it flashes forward two decades, it shows a world that has been altered by climate change. Trees bloom in January. A February day hits 89 degrees. Lawns and golf courses vanish because of water shortages.

The award-winning novel joins a recent group of fiction books with scenes that show a world changed by or wrestling with climate change.[/blockquote]
Yes, just like Kevin Costner’s movie, Waterworld, did.

The idea that the coal plant across the river will somehow change the Earth’s orbit is pretty far-fetched. Heck the Japanese Earthquake shortened the day by 4 nanoseconds. The Amos power plant has a lot of juice (just under 3,000 megawatts) but come on.

The irony is the New York Times cited “1984? and “On The Beach” as changing public attitudes about totalitarianism and nuclear annihilation (apparently Americans were for these things before 1957)

From the New York Times: “Fiction might be the best way to reach people on climate, said John Atcheson, a former Department of Energy senior policy analyst who has written on books and global warming at Climateprogress.org, a Center for American Progress Action Fund project.”

Well, finally we have one Global Warming scientist admitting it is fiction.

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From Calvin Beisner: “Fiction can propagate ideas, often compellingly, but propagation’s not persuasion. Propaganda requires only conception. Real persuasion requires evidence and logic-true premises, and valid inferences. By definition, fiction doesn’t present true premises.”

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Proglodytes, Luddites, Leftists, Ecologists, Climatologists...whatever the hell you call them or they call themselves...they are natural conveyors of fiction!

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Even George Monbiot (possible namesake of "moonbat") admits that his fellow "Greens" have confused the message by trying to simultaneously claim we are about to run out of fossil fuels, and that continuing burning fossil fuels is going to destroy the Earth. He admits that there is no shortage of fossil fuels at all, and that is what bothers him.

http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/016748.html

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Yeah, exactly what bothers him?  Ahh...umm...that would be the truth!

Speaks volumes, don't it?!

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The solution as simple as 2+2, all who believe in this kindly worded nonsense, should, at the age of adulthood, take their own life in an effort to obey their AGW/leftist orthodoxy, for the betterment of Ghia. ::thumbsup::

The above solution is both economical and good for the planet. Can't you just feel the warm loving feeling of mass suicide on a grand scale.

Come on, "it's better for us, it's better for them, and it's better for Mother Earth"
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"An honest environmentalism needs to explain which products should continue to be manufactured and which should not, and what the energy sources for these manufactures should be."

Gee, the above decisions wouldn't be made by the State now would it? Checkmate...liberty vanquished...totalitarianism installed at last.....Lucifer wins.

Have any here reads into the comments left after the article? Talk about doom and gloom. Is it any wonder why Islam will has supplanted Christianity as the main religion in Europe. Nearly all the comments expressed dire need for population control. 
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Even George Monbiot (possible namesake of "moonbat") admits that his fellow "Greens" have confused the message by trying to simultaneously claim we are about to run out of fossil fuels, and that continuing burning fossil fuels is going to destroy the Earth. He admits that there is no shortage of fossil fuels at all, and that is what bothers him.

http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/016748.html


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I'd rather see them practice self extermination. ::jihadnanner::
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http://hotair.com/archives/2011/11/22/climategate-2-0/

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So what’s in the new e-mails?  The blog TallBloke has already begun crowdsourcing the cache, and finds a few tidbits from Penn State’s Michael Mann, among others, assuming that these are genuine (via Watts Up With That):
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    <1939> Thorne/MetO: Observations do not show rising temperatures throughout the tropical troposphere unless you accept one single study and approach and discount a wealth of others. This is just downright dangerous. We need to communicate the uncertainty and be honest. Phil, hopefully we can find time to discuss these further if necessary [...]

    <1611> Carter: It seems that a few people have a very strong say, and no matter how much talking goes on beforehand, the big decisions are made at the eleventh hour by a select core group.

    <2884> Wigley: Mike, The Figure you sent is very deceptive [...] there have been a number of dishonest presentations of model results by individual authors and by IPCC [...]

    <3373> Bradley: I’m sure you agree–the Mann/Jones GRL paper was truly pathetic and should never have been published. I don’t want to be associated with that 2000 year “reconstruction”.

    <3115> Mann:  By the way, when is Tom C going to formally publish his roughly 1500 year reconstruction??? It would help the cause to be able to refer to that reconstruction as confirming Mann and Jones, etc.

    <3940> Mann:  They will (see below) allow us to provide some discussion of the synthetic example, referring to the J. Cimate paper (which should be finally accepted upon submission of the revised final draft), so that should help the cause a bit.

    <0810> Mann: I gave up on Judith Curry a while ago. I don’t know what she think’s she’s doing, but its not helping the cause [...]
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Well, we all know that science is all about supporting a cause rather than testing hypotheses and eliminating them when evidence arises to their contrary.  Maybe the previous whitewash on the first Climategate will have to get revisited.  In the meantime, if these e-mails are genuine, expect skepticism about AGW theory to rise even more.
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Fiction.

Reconstruction.

There is an undeniable theme in thier work.

These proponents are the true deniers, they deny reality!
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Re: Global Warmist: “Fiction... best way to reach people on climate change"
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2011, 01:27:14 AM »
" The Inconvenient Truth " has become  " The Convenient Lie " .

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Re: Global Warmist: “Fiction... best way to reach people on climate change"
« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2011, 06:45:23 AM »
Ya got that right!

But the bleeding out of their agenda in these e-mails is going to help make it more and more less convenient and more problematic!   ::thumbsup::


Can ya feel it?!
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Re: Global Warmist: “Fiction... best way to reach people on climate change"
« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2011, 07:05:13 AM »
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When it flashes forward two decades, it shows a world that has been altered by climate change. Trees bloom in January. A February day hits 89 degrees. Lawns and golf courses vanish because of water shortages.

Seriously, is this what New York Times reading morons believe in?  Even the Axis of Fraud, Mann/Hanson/Jones isn't calling for anything that extreme, so soon.

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Re: Global Warmist: “Fiction... best way to reach people on climate change"
« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2011, 07:18:49 AM »
Laying the fiction on too thick, you say?

It's never too thick for these clowns!

Ends/Means...they mean to end us!
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Re: Global Warmist: “Fiction... best way to reach people on climate change"
« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2011, 04:38:06 PM »
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2011/11/28/leaked-emails-nyt-climategate/

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The most striking take-away from the emails is how obsessed the climatologists seemed to be with media coverage – almost as if they were public relations associates as opposed to scientists. The extent of cooperation between the climate researchers and some friendly news outlets is also fascinating. (David Rose has an excellent article exploring the connections between East Anglia and the BBC.)

One New York Times writer, Andy Revkin, pops up numerous times in the emails. During the time the conversations took place, Revkin was a supposedly objective reporter on the environmental beat for the Times. He became an opinion blogger for the paper after leaving the news section at the end of 2009, which seems to be a better fit after reading some of his emails.
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Re: Global Warmist: “Fiction... best way to reach people on climate change"
« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2011, 01:53:20 PM »
http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/un-expert-climate-change-could-lead-war

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Dandan claimed a morally superior position to economic critics of global warming policy. “There is great need for a radical mindset change in order to bring back to the negotiating table the time-honoured values of humanity that have been forgotten after decades of market and profit-driven orientation,” she said.

So, when lying and cheating can't get the job done, appeal to the morality of your target, 'It's for the children', etc.
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Re: Global Warmist: “Fiction... best way to reach people on climate change"
« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2011, 02:40:11 PM »
http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/un-expert-climate-change-could-lead-war

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Dandan claimed a morally superior position to economic critics of global warming policy. “There is great need for a radical mindset change in order to bring back to the negotiating table the time-honoured values of humanity that have been forgotten after decades of market and profit-driven orientation,” she said.

So, when lying and cheating can't get the job done, appeal to the morality of your target, 'It's for the children', etc.

I just wanna beat these people down like they were baby seals!!!

You wanna save generations yet unborn?  How about stop killing the unborn and stop spending us into early graves?!?!?!

 ::gaah::

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