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Title: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: IronDioPriest on April 07, 2011, 11:56:35 AM
See, high gas prices are not government's fault. It's our fault, because we don't drive the government approved vehicles. We use too much gas.

OBAMA: Get Used To High Gas Prices. (http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/118137/)

“Obama needled one questioner who asked about gas prices, now averaging close to $3.70 a gallon nationwide, and suggested that the gentleman consider getting rid of his gas-guzzling vehicle.”

High gas prices aren’t a bug, they’re a feature.

UPDATE: Rapid Reaction: I got an email from Haley Barbour’s office with this reaction: “Instead of changing his policies, President Obama is trying to blame the American people for skyrocketing gas prices by saying they should trade-in their cars.”

<snip>

[AP scrubbed the quote from its articles on the exchange between Obama and the man asking him the question. Fortunately, Glenn Reynolds saved a screen shot at the link.]


[Transcript mine; IDP]
[blockquote]Obama: "I know some o' these big guys, there still drivin' their big SUVs. You know, they got their big monster trucks and everything. You're one of 'em? [points to man in audience]. Well now, here's my point. You know, if you're complaining about the price of gas, and you're only gettin' 8 miles a gallon [laughs at man, pauses for audience to laugh at man, mocks the man with facial expression]... You know [laughs] you might have a big family, but it's probably not THAT big [laughs, audience laughs]... So - how many you have, 10 kids you say? 10 kids? [mocking facial expression again, encouraging people to laugh at the man] Well... you definitely need a hybrid van then... Like I said, if you're gettin' 8 miles a gallon you might wanna think about a trade-in."[/blockquote]

God help me, I want this assshole gone, now.

Obama Gas Prices (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RV8aIXm4DY#ws)

Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Predator Don on April 07, 2011, 12:15:34 PM
See, high gas prices are not government's fault. It's our fault, because we don't drive the government approved vehicles. We use too much gas.

OBAMA: Get Used To High Gas Prices. (http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/118137/)

“Obama needled one questioner who asked about gas prices, now averaging close to $3.70 a gallon nationwide, and suggested that the gentleman consider getting rid of his gas-guzzling vehicle.”

High gas prices aren’t a bug, they’re a feature.

UPDATE: Rapid Reaction: I got an email from Haley Barbour’s office with this reaction: “Instead of changing his policies, President Obama is trying to blame the American people for skyrocketing gas prices by saying they should trade-in their cars.”

<snip>

[AP scrubbed the quote from its articles on the exchange between Obama and the man asking him the question. Fortunately, Glenn Reynolds saved a screen shot at the link.]


[Transcript mine; IDP]
[blockquote]Obama: "I know some o' these big guys, there still drivin' their big SUVs. You know, they got their big monster trucks and everything. You're one of 'em? [points to man in audience]. Well now, here's my point. You know, if you're complaining about the price of gas, and you're only gettin' 8 miles a gallon [laughs at man, pauses for audience to laugh at man, mocks the man with facial expression]... You know [laughs] you might have a big family, but it's probably not THAT big [laughs, audience laughs]... So - how many you have, 10 kids you say? 10 kids? [mocking facial expression again, encouraging people to laugh at the man] Well... you definitely need a hybrid van then... Like I said, if you're gettin' 8 miles a gallon you might wanna think about a trade-in."[/blockquote]

God help me, I want this assshole gone, now.

Obama Gas Prices (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RV8aIXm4DY#ws)



I'm gonna vote we trade in our President.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Libertas on April 07, 2011, 12:32:27 PM
"Uhh...yeah...I remember pumping gas!"

Yeah, sure Barry.  If "gas" is a term of endearment for some guy you played out your bi-curious fantasies with, I'll buy that!  But you have no freaking clue what it is to be an every day working productive member of society so don't insult us by pretending otherwise!

What utter trash!

Familiar with contractors?  No, didn't think so prick!

Familiar with farmers and other people who enjoy children and big families?  No, didn't think so prick!

Familiar with earning your keep and paying for what you own and not being a parasite on others?  No, didn't think so prick!

Familiar with oil & gas exploration, the need for domestic drilling to reduce our need to buy foreign oil controlled by batsh*t-crazy jislamists bastards and so our people can afford the gas they need?  No, didn't think so prick!

Familiar with the poor safety of smaller cars and the lack of economic sense and environmental damage your eco-specs cause?  No, didn't think so prick!

Familiar with telling the truth and not being a disingenuous bastard and exploit political issues by dodging them and running out of town to pimp cash for reelection instead?  No, didn't think so prick!

This POS can't get kicked out of town fast enough!!!
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Sectionhand on April 07, 2011, 12:54:58 PM
"Cash for Clunkers" is coming again November 2012 and we'll scrap that bastard !
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: John Florida on April 07, 2011, 01:15:18 PM
He once again prove what an empty suit he really is. Even if the guy traded his truck in does he think the truck just vanishes into thin air? The truck is going to be resold and it's still on the road.The natural gas cars can be done right now the conversion isn't a big deal but where the hell are you going to fill it up?

  There is no distribution available that can service to people that did do it. But since for some reason nobody that know anything can get a question in he skates and we sit here and fume over it.I would love to sit across a table from him and have that conversation.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Predator Don on April 07, 2011, 05:42:25 PM
I can't imagine anyone else getting away with such idiocy.

Someone should have run his telepromptor out.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: rickl on April 07, 2011, 05:58:20 PM
His contempt for the American people is palpable.  He doesn't even try to hide it.

I can't think of any other President with such an attitude.  If there have been any, they had the decency to keep it to themselves for the most part.  Maybe Wilson, who seems to have had a very high opinion of his own intellect. 

As bad as his policies were, FDR was justifiably popular.  Despite the fact that he was a rich man from a rich family, he was able to connect on an emotional level with people who were suffering from the Depression.  He didn't flaunt his wealth in their faces like the Obamas do on a daily basis.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Damn_Lucky on April 07, 2011, 06:03:35 PM
I wish we could Buy a new President, Like the progressives did in '08 ::cussing::
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: John Florida on April 07, 2011, 06:35:37 PM
I wish we could Buy a new President, Like the progressives did in '08 ::cussing::
 



Get ready the SOB is going to have a Billion in the next one.He knows that if he doesn't get that much he's done for before it all starts.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Pandora on April 08, 2011, 01:23:48 AM
I want this here, for the record which seems to have been ... somewhat purged .... and I'm not sure how long the YouTube will be allowed to exist either.

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The media, hwoever, are covering up this stunning comment by Obama. Glenn Reynolds of Instapundit published a screen shot of the original AP story on the event, which included the "let them eat cake" comment.  

(http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/ObamaGasPriceAP.png)

Soon, however, the editors at AP realized their man was not looking good here, and they cut the reference, with the result that few newspapers and other media picked up on it.  Ed Morrissey:

    A search for "If you're complaining about the price of gas and you're only getting 8 miles a gallon" turned up 26 hits last night at 7:15 pm ET, most of them Associated Press links or links to their affiliates. In each of those, the quote was removed in later editing.

Despite his media brigade covering for him, Obama's high energy/low employment policies are hurting poor people and minorities the most, and black and Hispanic approval levels for him are falling.


Text link is American Thinker. (http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/04/obamas_let_them_eat_cake_momen.html)

Glenn Reynolds (http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/118137/) scored the page capture.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: BigAlSouth on April 08, 2011, 05:52:57 AM
Back in the day, I had a 1989 Plymouth Voyager van Sport, with a 4 cyl. engine. At 189,000 miles, the engine was so worn out that I was lucky to get 14 mpg on the road.

Yeah, I got a new vehicle. Traded it in on a used Suburban. It got better mileage . . .
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Glock32 on April 08, 2011, 06:31:34 AM
The salient point being that "in the land of the free" you shouldn't need a bureaucratic permission slip to live your own life the way you want. This retort covers all bases for 99% of progressive ideology.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: warpmine on April 08, 2011, 06:38:06 AM
IF this idiot had been emperor of say the Byzantian Empire or even Rome, the palace guards would have already wasted him. ::laserkill:: Modern day Americans are weak, sniveling creatures that complain way to much about things our forebears would have already taken care of like wasting this asshole.

Again, I'm distraught at why his own personal guard, secret service hasn't done their duty to the United States and killed his dumb azz or at the very least cuffed him and frog marched him out. Could Biden really be any worse? ::cussing::

Prayer is a personal thing to many but sharing mine may be over the top but a sincerely pray everyday, that he slips down the the mobile case for AF One or the plane suddenly develops a major problem in mid-flight or he just slips on one of the banana peels left on the floor by the First Orangutan.

My poor children will be cleaning up the mess for years after I'm dead. ::puke::
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Predator Don on April 09, 2011, 09:51:41 AM
I believe the whole gas "crisis" best exemplifies the media bias . Remember when gas ran up last time? Of course you do, it lead every news story during the Bush Presidency. He was the "big oil" President..he was in bed with the saudis, he was lining the pockets of rich republicans, he took all his orders from big oil, Cheney was in bed with big oil, Bush protecting his texas buddies.....There was story after story...after story. Or should I say hit piece.

How much reporting is coming from the media today over gas prises? Oh, that's right, we have a liberal in office, so lets squelch all the high gas price banter.

If a conservative offered there was little short term assistance over the cost of gas...I can only imagine the headlines coming from a press that knows what liberals have for lunch and dinner every day.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Thresherman on April 09, 2011, 12:45:07 PM
Here is a guy who can't afford the gas for his vehicle and our Dear Leader's response is that he should shell out another 20, 30 grand for a new one.  While many cite this as proof of the lack of a common touch on behalf of Obama and the slavish idolization that the media regards him with, it also illustrates what an utter idiot he is when it comes to finances.  Since the savings in fuel mileage would only come to about $2,000/year, it would take 10 to 15 years to realize any financial gain on trading for better mileage and that is without interest figured in. 

It is becoming ever more undeniably obvious that our Dear Leader has gotten as far in life as he has, is due more to white liberal guilt and the color of his skin than whatever meager abilities he possesses.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Alphabet Soup on April 09, 2011, 01:38:33 PM
"Just desserts"

Sometimes I wonder what the world would look like if there truly was such a thing as just desserts. Quite certainly different people would inhabit the planet that are currently here among us. Would there be more? Fewer? Any?!

Would I still be here?

I'm no theologian and definitely among God's more imperfect children, so I temper my remarks by allowing myself to be subject to the same "rule" I might apply to another.

I hear you warpmine, and I empathize exactly with what you say. I fight the impulse to wish ill of (almost) everyone, and to wish someone's death is way out there on the outlier, but I find myself losing the battle against Øbozo. I'll readily admit to it being a human failing and sinful, but it is what it is.

I recall when carter was president. I remember the "misery index" although I was too young to grasp it's import at the time. I don't hear many express the same attribution to Øbozo, but they should. This man inflicts more misery per second than I have in my entire lifetime.

Now I know that some might think that hyperbolic and that's alright. I don't equate Øbozo with Mao, or Hitler. I do equate him - unfavorably - to jimmuh carter. I do believe him to be objectively the worse president this country has ever endured.

I do believe him to be actively damaging our nation. Not through negligence or incompetence, but by design. Little vignettes like this reinforce those beliefs. My old man used to say, "Why climb a tree to tell a lie when you can stand on the ground and tell the truth".

Øbozo prefers to climb trees.

I truly, sincerely despise him.

edit: altard proofed
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Scrollbar on April 12, 2011, 08:57:50 AM
This whole thread is full of ridiculous misguided anger.

A dude driving a huge gas guzzling vehicle is whining to the president that it costs too much to fill up, and the president offers some HONEST advice? "OH NO HE HATES 'MURICAH!!"

We shouldn't confuse this as an attack on liberty so much as being realistic. My god, people nowadays are so freaking unable to make sacrafice. Can you imagine if this was ww2 and people were being asked to limit their fuel use and donate whatever they could to the war effort? People would be marching on the streets crying that they won't be able to play xbox and drive an escalade to drop their kid off to school.

Grow up America.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: John Florida on April 12, 2011, 10:03:30 AM
This whole thread is full of ridiculous misguided anger.

A dude driving a huge gas guzzling vehicle is whining to the president that it costs too much to fill up, and the president offers some HONEST advice? "OH NO HE HATES 'MURICAH!!"

We shouldn't confuse this as an attack on liberty so much as being realistic. My god, people nowadays are so freaking unable to make sacrafice. Can you imagine if this was ww2 and people were being asked to limit their fuel use and donate whatever they could to the war effort? People would be marching on the streets crying that they won't be able to play xbox and drive an escalade to drop their kid off to school.

Grow up America.

 What do you suggest he drive with a big family? Or does he dump some of the kids off?How much will it cost him to buy this imaginary car?And who in the hell is the President to suggest how this guy should live his life?
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Alphabet Soup on April 12, 2011, 10:33:46 AM
Greetings Scrollbar and welcome to It's About Liberty.

Words have meaning so let's be clear.

The man in the audience did not "whine'. To say so is a distortion bordering on outright lie.

The "man" with the microphone did not give an "HONEST" answer - he dodged the mans legitimate question and insulted him with both his words and his presentation.

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"OH NO HE HATES 'MURICAH!!"

When I see the word America tormented like that it is usually coming from a libtard. You aren't a libtard, are you?

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My god, people nowadays are so freaking unable to make sacrafice (sic).

Actually the only ones not making any "sacrafices" LOL is the entitlement class that is totally beholden to the federal government.

Apparently you are unable (or unwilling) to see the difference between a sacrafice (that one just cracks me up!) of paying more or driving less and the perverse and offensive suggestion that the man spend $30k to buy a new rig.

Enjoy your stay.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Predator Don on April 12, 2011, 10:42:33 AM
This whole thread is full of ridiculous misguided anger.

A dude driving a huge gas guzzling vehicle is whining to the president that it costs too much to fill up, and the president offers some HONEST advice? "OH NO HE HATES 'MURICAH!!"

We shouldn't confuse this as an attack on liberty so much as being realistic. My god, people nowadays are so freaking unable to make sacrafice. Can you imagine if this was ww2 and people were being asked to limit their fuel use and donate whatever they could to the war effort? People would be marching on the streets crying that they won't be able to play xbox and drive an escalade to drop their kid off to school.

Grow up America.


Welcome....but there is no misguided anger in this thread. Now, our president did give a father, feeling the pressure of higher gas costs, a ridiculous answer...if you want to qualify asking someone to buy a new car a legitament answer to his question.

As far as sacrifice, this father wouldn't be asking the question if his family was not "sacrificing".....Instead, his president gave him attitude, contemptable at best. He gives his suffering family a smirk....

But welcome...We welcome all opinions, even the shallow ones.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Libertas on April 12, 2011, 10:48:14 AM
I aim my anger well.  I center it on proglodytes and it never wavers!

(http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss291/libertasinfinitio/Warnings/pinpoint.gif)

 ::whoohoo::
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: LadyVirginia on April 12, 2011, 10:52:16 AM
I really hate having to call the Prez a name but there's no way around it --he's a jerk.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Predator Don on April 12, 2011, 10:57:53 AM
I really hate having to call the Prez a name but there's no way around it --he's a jerk.


Jerk....it does sum it up...Only a jerk would tell a concerned father, battling his families budget as the cost of fuel eats it up, to go buy a new car.

I'll add clueless to jerk, if you don't mind.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: warpmine on April 12, 2011, 11:21:10 AM
That's like telling someone that hurts after an injury to stop breathing. After all, it only hurts when you breath. I don't think El Presidente was joking. What an asshole! ::rolllaughing::
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Scrollbar on April 12, 2011, 11:23:11 AM
Clearly this is a conservative minded site and obviously that is shaping some of the responses to what the president said.

When I said Americans seem unwilling to sacrafice, that is 100% true. People want lower taxes, and none of their programs cut. People want to buy huge vehicles and pay little on gas.  People want, and aren't prepared to give up back modern times.

I'm guilty of that as much as anyone. I paid 50 bucks to tank up my Mazda 3 a month ago ... when I saw the total ring up I looked at the gas pump and muttered "time to bomb Saudia Arabia".

What the president said was reasonable and not an insult. He was giving a reasonable answer. We in north america are addicted to oil and we need to start adjusting our thinking on a lot of things.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: IronDioPriest on April 12, 2011, 11:27:01 AM
Oh goody. We have our very first Leftist douchebag. I'm so thrilled.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: John Florida on April 12, 2011, 11:28:20 AM
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/wal-mart-goes-back-to-basics-a-cautionary-tale-for-the-left/?singlepage=true (http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/wal-mart-goes-back-to-basics-a-cautionary-tale-for-the-left/?singlepage=true)


Dach’s failure should be a cautionary tale for President Obama: last week he scolded a blue collar man in Pennsylvania for driving an SUV, and he has previously admonished Americans to get out of their gas-guzzlers and into electric cars. Dach’s failure should also put Michelle Obama on notice; she has been pushing her White House organic vegetable garden as a model for working Americans.

 H/T Bonz:

Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Scrollbar on April 12, 2011, 11:45:09 AM
Oh goody. We have our very first Leftist douchebag. I'm so thrilled.

Stay classy. Nice contribution to the thread too!
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Libertas on April 12, 2011, 11:55:51 AM
Clearly this is a conservative minded site and obviously that is shaping some of the responses to what the president said.

When I said Americans seem unwilling to sacrafice, that is 100% true. People want lower taxes, and none of their programs cut. People want to buy huge vehicles and pay little on gas.  People want, and aren't prepared to give up back modern times.

I'm guilty of that as much as anyone. I paid 50 bucks to tank up my Mazda 3 a month ago ... when I saw the total ring up I looked at the gas pump and muttered "time to bomb Saudia Arabia".

What the president said was reasonable and not an insult. He was giving a reasonable answer. We in north america are addicted to oil and we need to start adjusting our thinking on a lot of things.

Obama could ease gas prices overnight if he:

a) Removed all barriers for drillers to obtain a drilling license.
b) Opened up ANWAR and other domestic deposits for production.
c) Removed Federal gas taxes.
d) Stood up to Middle East oil thugs rather than bending over and kissing their ass!

And inflation could be greatly curtailed and auto maintenance expenses for consumers lessened if he ended all ethanol subsidies!

And other domestic sources of energy could be more productively harnessed if we built more refineries, distribution capacity and built more nuclear and coal-fired power plants.

Wishfully thinking we can convert to a green-energy dreamworld and leave oil behind is naive.  "We are addicted to oil", that is weak-minded psychobabble served up by Ruling Class overlords to control ignorant masses.  What we are currently addicted to his hopey/changey socialist BS!

Sacrifice?

The Productive Class has given more than its fair share!  Time for the Looting Class to put thier hands to industrious and productive uses, not holding them out to self-serving politicians to bestow somebody elses blood and sweat!
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Scrollbar on April 12, 2011, 12:02:03 PM
Obama could ease gas prices overnight if he:

a) Removed all barriers for drillers to obtain a drilling license.
b) Opened up ANWAR and other domestic deposits for production.
c) Removed Federal gas taxes.
d) Stood up to Middle East oil thugs rather than bending over and kissing their ass!

And inflation could be greatly curtailed and auto maintenance expenses for consumers lessened if he ended all ethanol subsidies!

a) Drilling now won't actually increase supplies for 2-3 years minimum. And that will only increase oil reserves by what,  a couple % points? Oil isn't scarce now so why would drilling more ease the issue?
b) Again, oil isn't scarce. And you really want companies like BP drilling in ANWAR? Prive companies have proven time and again without proper regulation that oil spills will continue happening... and this taking place in ANWAR is criminal and unacceptable a risk.
c) Great, but I thought the US had this huge deficit to pay off? I thought conservatives were all about paying down the American debt, yet now you want to remove a massive source of income to do so? Makes no sense and doesn't align with the recent rhetoric from the right.
d) What's so special about Obama that he has to do this and no one expected Bush JR and Sr, Clinton and .. well every president ever to do it?

I agree with you on ethanol subsidies. Subsidies like this hurt the food supply and are worthless anyways. All farming susbidies need to end or America and Canada need to stand up to Chinese market tampering.


And other domestic sources of energy could be more productively harnessed if we built more refineries, distribution capacity and built more nuclear and coal-fired power plants.

Wishfully thinking we can convert to a green-energy dreamworld and leave oil behind is naive.  We are addicted to oil, that is weak-minded psychobabble served up by Ruling Class overlords to control ignorant masses.  What we are currently addicted to his hopey/changey socialist BS!

Sacrifice?

The Productive Class has given more than its fair share!  Time for the Looting Class to put thier hands to industrious and productive uses, not holding them out to self-serving politicians to bestow somebody elses blood and sweat!
[/quote]
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: warpmine on April 12, 2011, 12:04:23 PM
Clearly this is a conservative minded site and obviously that is shaping some of the responses to what the president said.

When I said Americans seem unwilling to sacrafice, that is 100% true. People want lower taxes, and none of their programs cut. People want to buy huge vehicles and pay little on gas.  People want, and aren't prepared to give up back modern times.

I'm guilty of that as much as anyone. I paid 50 bucks to tank up my Mazda 3 a month ago ... when I saw the total ring up I looked at the gas pump and muttered "time to bomb Saudia Arabia".

What the president said was reasonable and not an insult. He was giving a reasonable answer. We in north america are addicted to oil and we need to start adjusting our thinking on a lot of things.

Why bomb Saudi Arabia because of high prices at the pump? 's certainly not their responsibility that the current prick in the WH has done everything imaginable to stifle production of domestic energy production.
We, as conservatives, did everything within reason to alert our neighbors that this was coming if they allowed this clown into the WH in any capacity other than tourist. His leftist douche bags continue to fight tooth and nail against building new refineries to produce the fuels we need presently.

I have eight vehicles to fuel up when it's busy and I do my part to make the most of what I have in the fuel cells, however, sometimes we use all the vehicles just to keep pace. I usually pass that consumption of fuel right down the line to my customers who complain about the price of service but what can I do other than complain that they voted for this d-bag, so suck it up!.

hundreds of things for a president and congress to do, real legitimate items like curb the impact of speculators of fuels, but no, these ass-wipes needed to enact legislation to control the population. Why, because they're sick elitist scum that demand that they know better than I. let them eat lead, full metal jacket encased lead.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: LadyVirginia on April 12, 2011, 12:08:56 PM
Clearly this is a conservative minded site and obviously that is shaping some of the responses to what the president said.

Ya think?  ::falldownshocked::

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When I said Americans seem unwilling to sacrafice, that is 100% true.


You asked everyone? Because if you think you did, you missed me.

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People want lower taxes, and none of their programs cut.
Could you identify what programs those are? Because I want lower taxes and I want PP, NPR, EPS, DOE, etc all cut.

 
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People want to buy huge vehicles and pay little on gas.
Because they know that the price of gas at the pump isn't related to the size of the vehicle.

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 People want, and aren't prepared to give up back modern times.
Nor should they.  Obama and those of his ilk want to push us back to pre-industrial age with their false climate change agenda and taxation without representation.

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I'm guilty of that as much as anyone. I paid 50 bucks to tank up my Mazda 3 a month ago ... when I saw the total ring up I looked at the gas pump and muttered "time to bomb Saudia Arabia".
That hardly makes your comments persuasive.  I find liberals often project their own worse thoughts onto others and assume they have insight into others. When I fill up at the gas station I don't think of something as violent as bombing Saudi Arabia.  I think about the useless man we have in the oval office.

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What the president said was reasonable and not an insult. He was giving a reasonable answer. We in north america are addicted to oil and we need to start adjusting our thinking on a lot of things.

Let me guess you graduated from a public school? And never did any reading on your own.

We're addicted to oil, and clean water, indoor plumbing, electricity and abundance of food and all the other things that people around the world want for themselves. It's what has made us great.  I don't have a problem with our greatness.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Libertas on April 12, 2011, 12:10:06 PM
Obama could ease gas prices overnight if he:

a) Removed all barriers for drillers to obtain a drilling license.
b) Opened up ANWAR and other domestic deposits for production.
c) Removed Federal gas taxes.
d) Stood up to Middle East oil thugs rather than bending over and kissing their ass!

And inflation could be greatly curtailed and auto maintenance expenses for consumers lessened if he ended all ethanol subsidies!

a) Drilling now won't actually increase supplies for 2-3 years minimum. And that will only increase oil reserves by what,  a couple % points? Oil isn't scarce now so why would drilling more ease the issue?  Old argument, if you never start, it will never have an impact, thanks for confirming you do not desire see us use our own resources.  The psycholigical effect in the market would cause a drop light crude overnight.
b) Again, oil isn't scarce. And you really want companies like BP drilling in ANWAR? Prive companies have proven time and again without proper regulation that oil spills will continue happening... and this taking place in ANWAR is criminal and unacceptable a risk. Goddamned right I do!  They are the experts, I trust them, not some socialist bureaucrat back in DC or his boss in the WH who dances with glee when oil companies pay their extortion money because it is cheaper than fighting the liars in court!  Open it all!  Fricken caribou have been thriving by the pipepline in Alaska, I want them to thrive more!
c) Great, but I thought the US had this huge deficit to pay off? I thought conservatives were all about paying down the American debt, yet now you want to remove a massive source of income to do so? Makes no sense and doesn't align with the recent rhetoric from the right.  Cut PBS, PP, NEA and all that crap and you'd never miss the fed gas tax, except at the lower prices at the pump which I am seeing you are thrilled not to see!d) What's so special about Obama that he has to do this and no one expected Bush JR and Sr, Clinton and .. well every president ever to do it?  I never saw them kiss their ass like Obama did, they all know he's an assclown, as do we, er, well, most of us.
I agree with you on ethanol subsidies. Subsidies like this hurt the food supply and are worthless anyways. All farming susbidies need to end or America and Canada need to stand up to Chinese market tampering.


And other domestic sources of energy could be more productively harnessed if we built more refineries, distribution capacity and built more nuclear and coal-fired power plants.

Wishfully thinking we can convert to a green-energy dreamworld and leave oil behind is naive.  We are addicted to oil, that is weak-minded psychobabble served up by Ruling Class overlords to control ignorant masses.  What we are currently addicted to his hopey/changey socialist BS!

Sacrifice?

The Productive Class has given more than its fair share!  Time for the Looting Class to put thier hands to industrious and productive uses, not holding them out to self-serving politicians to bestow somebody elses blood and sweat!
[/quote]
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Alphabet Soup on April 12, 2011, 12:24:52 PM
Clearly this is a conservative minded site and obviously that is shaping some of the responses to what the president said.

Yep. Common sense shapes them as well  ;D

When I said Americans seem unwilling to sacrafice, that is 100% true.

It may seem that way to you but it isn't true - not in the least. (BTW: The word is sacrifice)

People want lower taxes, and none of their programs cut.

I live within my means and expect anyone who spends my money by proxy to do the same. I pay my taxes and have made more sacrifices over the years than most would even dream of - or possibly endure. I'm perfectly fine with cutting back on all programs and eliminating hundreds more outright. Without hesitation.

People want to buy huge vehicles and pay little on gas.


There's no reason why we shouldn't be able to do precisely that.

People want, and aren't prepared to give up back modern times.


There's no reason why we should have to.

I'm guilty of that as much as anyone. I paid 50 bucks to tank up my Mazda 3 a month ago ... when I saw the total ring up I looked at the gas pump and muttered "time to bomb Saudia Arabia".

Why would you want to bomb the Saudi's? That sounds awfully mean. Are you a hater?

What the president said was reasonable and not an insult. He was giving a reasonable answer. We in north america are addicted to oil and we need to start adjusting our thinking on a lot of things.

I would agree that "we need to start adjusting our thinking on a lot of things", although they may not be the same things you feeeel so strongly about.

Oh, and America should be capitalized, you moron.

edit: altard-proofed
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Libertas on April 12, 2011, 12:27:08 PM
For the inquiring mind!

http://www.energytribune.com/articles.cfm/6933/US-Has-Earths-Largest-Energy-Resources (http://www.energytribune.com/articles.cfm/6933/US-Has-Earths-Largest-Energy-Resources)

I forget who originally provided this, but I'll tip my hat if you step forward for recognition!

 ::thumbsup::

Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: warpmine on April 12, 2011, 12:31:01 PM
Obama could ease gas prices overnight if he:

a) Removed all barriers for drillers to obtain a drilling license.
b) Opened up ANWAR and other domestic deposits for production.
c) Removed Federal gas taxes.
d) Stood up to Middle East oil thugs rather than bending over and kissing their ass!

And inflation could be greatly curtailed and auto maintenance expenses for consumers lessened if he ended all ethanol subsidies!

a) Drilling now won't actually increase supplies for 2-3 years minimum. And that will only increase oil reserves by what,  a couple % points? Oil isn't scarce now so why would drilling more ease the issue?
b) Again, oil isn't scarce. And you really want companies like BP drilling in ANWAR? Prive companies have proven time and again without proper regulation that oil spills will continue happening... and this taking place in ANWAR is criminal and unacceptable a risk.
c) Great, but I thought the US had this huge deficit to pay off? I thought conservatives were all about paying down the American debt, yet now you want to remove a massive source of income to do so? Makes no sense and doesn't align with the recent rhetoric from the right.
d) What's so special about Obama that he has to do this and no one expected Bush JR and Sr, Clinton and .. well every president ever to do it?

I agree with you on ethanol subsidies. Subsidies like this hurt the food supply and are worthless anyways. All farming susbidies need to end or America and Canada need to stand up to Chinese market tampering.


And other domestic sources of energy could be more productively harnessed if we built more refineries, distribution capacity and built more nuclear and coal-fired power plants.

Wishfully thinking we can convert to a green-energy dreamworld and leave oil behind is naive.  We are addicted to oil, that is weak-minded psychobabble served up by Ruling Class overlords to control ignorant masses.  What we are currently addicted to his hopey/changey socialist BS!

Sacrifice?

The Productive Class has given more than its fair share!  Time for the Looting Class to put thier hands to industrious and productive uses, not holding them out to self-serving politicians to bestow somebody elses blood and sweat!
[/quote]

ANWR is on land, so yes they, BP and for that matter any of the peopl that do this as their business, can drill there without reservation.

As far as paying down the debt, the government collects biillions of dollars of revenue from oil exploration so drilling can be a cure for the deficit reduction, however if you're holding a position as leftist generally do, you can't drill for oil becasue it's evil to consume it never mind that the plastics industry makes just about everything and it's base chemical is oil. Then there is the retarded notion that the consumtion of hydrocarbons leaves CO2 and you've classified that natural compound, a pollutant. Worse yet , it's part of the bulklsh*t global warming scheme which is yet another hoax to control everybody.

You really do need to take your head out of your ass if you want to claim your liberty. I cannot do this for you, it's your decision to either live in ignorance as your leftist professors taught you or realize they've been lying to you all these years just to gain power.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Scrollbar on April 12, 2011, 12:53:09 PM
ANWR is on land, so yes they, BP and for that matter any of the peopl that do this as their business, can drill there without reservation.

As far as paying down the debt, the government collects biillions of dollars of revenue from oil exploration so drilling can be a cure for the deficit reduction, however if you're holding a position as leftist generally do, you can't drill for oil becasue it's evil to consume it never mind that the plastics industry makes just about everything and it's base chemical is oil. Then there is the retarded notion that the consumtion of hydrocarbons leaves CO2 and you've classified that natural compound, a pollutant. Worse yet , it's part of the bulklsh*t global warming scheme which is yet another hoax to control everybody.

You really do need to take your head out of your ass if you want to claim your liberty. I cannot do this for you, it's your decision to either live in ignorance as your leftist professors taught you or realize they've been lying to you all these years just to gain power.

So many insightful responses, how to choose! well lets go with this for now.

1.   I am in favour of oil and it's general use. With limitations, of course. My family is all in oil up in Fort Mac here in Alberta... it's provided us with a great income and chance to live a comfortable middle class life. What I am not in favour of, however, is drilling in places where a spill causes an environmental catastrophe. Have we not learned from the BP spill in the gulf?  I realize conservatives put the economy ahead of the environment by blowing off risk and therein alleviating concerns in their minds but.. how much longer can you keep your heads buried in the sand?
2.   The revenue collected from drilling exploration would pail, and you know it, in comparison to revenue lost with taxes. This is a bad argument to make.
3.   Is global warming BS? Maybe. Is climate change real? Yes, it clearly is. Is it man made? I hope not and I don’t entirely agree that it is. There’s been no clear link made between our burning of fossil fuels and climate change. That being said CLEARLY burning all all this gasoline in a confined area of a city is bad for air quality and is air pollution, and should be reigned in.

Should North Americans have the RIGHT to cheap gas and large vehicles? No and this goes against the conservative values of not guaranteeing results, just the opportunity. If this man can’t afford a large vehicle for his family it’s not incumbent on the President to fix this for him. It IS the Presidents job to try and secure better relations with the Saudies however, to ensure we aren’t raped at the pump.

Also… whoever said he kisses their asses is embarrassing and makes you look like a fool. Wanna talk about how Bush JR has ties to the Bin Ladins and Saudi oil? I bet you don’t. Or you will say “oh it’s a business partnership.. “ well this is politics my friend.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: John Florida on April 12, 2011, 01:00:18 PM
Obama could ease gas prices overnight if he:

a) Removed all barriers for drillers to obtain a drilling license.
b) Opened up ANWAR and other domestic deposits for production.
c) Removed Federal gas taxes.
d) Stood up to Middle East oil thugs rather than bending over and kissing their ass!

And inflation could be greatly curtailed and auto maintenance expenses for consumers lessened if he ended all ethanol subsidies!

a) Drilling now won't actually increase supplies for 2-3 years minimum. And that will only increase oil reserves by what,  a couple % points? Oil isn't scarce now so why would drilling more ease the issue?
b) Again, oil isn't scarce. And you really want companies like BP drilling in ANWAR? Prive companies have proven time and again without proper regulation that oil spills will continue happening... and this taking place in ANWAR is criminal and unacceptable a risk.
c) Great, but I thought the US had this huge deficit to pay off? I thought conservatives were all about paying down the American debt, yet now you want to remove a massive source of income to do so? Makes no sense and doesn't align with the recent rhetoric from the right.
d) What's so special about Obama that he has to do this and no one expected Bush JR and Sr, Clinton and .. well every president ever to do it?

I agree with you on ethanol subsidies. Subsidies like this hurt the food supply and are worthless anyways. All farming susbidies need to end or America and Canada need to stand up to Chinese market tampering.


And other domestic sources of energy could be more productively harnessed if we built more refineries, distribution capacity and built more nuclear and coal-fired power plants.

Wishfully thinking we can convert to a green-energy dreamworld and leave oil behind is naive.  We are addicted to oil, that is weak-minded psychobabble served up by Ruling Class overlords to control ignorant masses.  What we are currently addicted to his hopey/changey socialist BS!

Sacrifice?

The Productive Class has given more than its fair share!  Time for the Looting Class to put thier hands to industrious and productive uses, not holding them out to self-serving politicians to bestow somebody elses blood and sweat!
[/quote]


 A)takes a couple of years to drill so let's not bother by thin we won't have any use for it any way.

B)How do you compare the risks in deep sea to drilling on land and try to make a case for it? I have no problem with safety regulations and noboby else here does either.

C)No you're right let's give the government an open check book so they can just take whatever the want at any time they decide. Let's just let the Liberals just take our money and just mail back whatever they feel we deserve.Hey I know let's call it a sin tax since were addicted.

 D) But you don't know what we were saying when Bush was in power relating to gas prices do you? How come when Bush was in and gas went up you were not saying the same as you are now with Obama. Where the MSM attacking him on fuel prices????
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: John Florida on April 12, 2011, 01:04:06 PM
ANWR is on land, so yes they, BP and for that matter any of the peopl that do this as their business, can drill there without reservation.

As far as paying down the debt, the government collects biillions of dollars of revenue from oil exploration so drilling can be a cure for the deficit reduction, however if you're holding a position as leftist generally do, you can't drill for oil becasue it's evil to consume it never mind that the plastics industry makes just about everything and it's base chemical is oil. Then there is the retarded notion that the consumtion of hydrocarbons leaves CO2 and you've classified that natural compound, a pollutant. Worse yet , it's part of the bulklsh*t global warming scheme which is yet another hoax to control everybody.

You really do need to take your head out of your ass if you want to claim your liberty. I cannot do this for you, it's your decision to either live in ignorance as your leftist professors taught you or realize they've been lying to you all these years just to gain power.

So many insightful responses, how to choose! well lets go with this for now.

1.   I am in favour of oil and it's general use. With limitations, of course. My family is all in oil up in Fort Mac here in Alberta... it's provided us with a great income and chance to live a comfortable middle class life. What I am not in favour of, however, is drilling in places where a spill causes an environmental catastrophe. Have we not learned from the BP spill in the gulf?  I realize conservatives put the economy ahead of the environment by blowing off risk and therein alleviating concerns in their minds but.. how much longer can you keep your heads buried in the sand?
2.   The revenue collected from drilling exploration would pail, and you know it, in comparison to revenue lost with taxes. This is a bad argument to make.
3.   Is global warming BS? Maybe. Is climate change real? Yes, it clearly is. Is it man made? I hope not and I don’t entirely agree that it is. There’s been no clear link made between our burning of fossil fuels and climate change. That being said CLEARLY burning all all this gasoline in a confined area of a city is bad for air quality and is air pollution, and should be reigned in.

Should North Americans have the RIGHT to cheap gas and large vehicles? No and this goes against the conservative values of not guaranteeing results, just the opportunity. If this man can’t afford a large vehicle for his family it’s not incumbent on the President to fix this for him. It IS the Presidents job to try and secure better relations with the Saudies however, to ensure we aren’t raped at the pump.

Also… whoever said he kisses their asses is embarrassing and makes you look like a fool. Wanna talk about how Bush JR has ties to the Bin Ladins and Saudi oil? I bet you don’t. Or you will say “oh it’s a business partnership.. “ well this is politics my friend.


 You're in Canada?
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Scrollbar on April 12, 2011, 01:07:37 PM
You're in Canada?
Google Alberta and you  tell me  ::facepalm::
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Pandora on April 12, 2011, 01:13:21 PM
That's right, it's politics.  The "manmade glowball warmink"; the "peak-oil" bullsht; the concern-trolling about the "environment", "emissions" and "CO2 as a toxin" -- politics all, not science.

Now, I have to wonder why the number one source by which the United States of America became the global economic and industrial power that it is, with a standard of living that far surpasses that of any other, is slowly being rendered an "unaffordable", "dirty", luxury, the seeking and using of which is causing global decline; an "addiction".  Don't you?

Just so you know, we also take the Constitution very seriously around here, in our conservative thinking, so, neither Congress nor the president, nor his merry band of thugs, nor the UN has been granted permission by that aforementioned document to meddle, control or thwart efforts to harvest our natural resources.  They've arrogated that unto themselves and this will be stopped.

That's oil and gas and coal.  That's how wealth is created, not by taxes, but by reaping our natural resources and using them to create something of greater value.

Lastly, the area in ANWR that is of such concern is a deserted wasteland, not the wildland utopia the "news" agencies like to show the public.  Any environmental misfortune that may occur as a result of our drilling there will be rectified, just as it is everywhere else.  Nothing is without risk, but when whatever perceived slight-to-nonexistant risk is held higher than a tangible benefit, as drilling on land is, that's an "ideal" not even worth pursuing.

Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: ToddF on April 12, 2011, 01:24:24 PM
Because a spill in water, that literally cleans itself up over time is so much more of an "environmental catastrophe" than

(http://ghostsintheeyes.typepad.com/.a/6a010534aa01e3970c0112791a996c28a4-pi)
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Pandora on April 12, 2011, 01:25:17 PM
Where is that, 'hawk?
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: warpmine on April 12, 2011, 01:27:47 PM
I got that too. You're in Canada. You're clueless when it comes to economies of scale. California is larger than yours.

Why aren't you jumping up and down about the tar sands being processed into a  disaster. Oil spill cleanups can be horrible and they can often enough be just a yawn. CA has oil coming ashore everyday of the year. Why? It's seeps out of the seabed. Let's clean it up by drilling for it and consume it.

You have understand something here Scrollbar. We in the US have already tried most of the horsesh*t that liberals sentence us or at the very least witnessed first hand at the unmitigated disaster of their policies or the results thereof. We know what works and Liberalism clearly leads to disaster in every case. Best case scenario, Liberals decide they can't live with themsleves and commit suicide. Worst case, they fight tooth and nail opposing every common sense solution to what ailes us.

Lastly, if we'd had drilled or developed those oil fields thirty year ago, we'd have them today but you see you have start eventually or you got squat.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: ToddF on April 12, 2011, 01:29:17 PM
Where is that, 'hawk?

Why, that's Alberta, where they don't have environmental catastrophes due to oil spills.  Because poking a few sticks into the ground in Alaska is so much dirtier than THAT.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Alphabet Soup on April 12, 2011, 01:32:07 PM
Quote
8 Members and 89 Guests are viewing this topic.

He brought his buddies with him.

Bring it.

...just sayin...
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Pandora on April 12, 2011, 01:37:32 PM
Quote
8 Members and 89 Guests are viewing this topic.

He brought his buddies with him.

Bring it.

...just sayin...

  ::evilbat::
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Libertas on April 12, 2011, 01:43:29 PM
Oh goodie, more robots to wind up and set loose!

 ::hysterical::
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: charlesoakwood on April 12, 2011, 02:00:19 PM

After y'all are through you are going to ban him. right?

Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Libertas on April 12, 2011, 02:07:47 PM
Might not have to, looks like play time is over.

 :'(

 ::devil::
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Scrollbar on April 12, 2011, 02:09:32 PM
LOL looks like the free exchange of ideas is safe  here!
 ::laughonfloor::
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Sectionhand on April 12, 2011, 02:20:11 PM
Stymie , his administrative henchmen and his liberal followers are so intent on villainizing Oil , Natural Gas and Coal Companies , calling them benighted , short sighted , profit driven , etc. that they're just too dumb to look at the facts .

Companies engaged in the fossil fuel industry are as ready to look for new and viable resources as anyone . If , for instance , Exxon or Conoco saw a viable and profitable possibility for solar , wind , hydro or even geo-thermal they would be devoting a part of their exploration and research funds to those areas and looking for avenues of diversification and maybe they are to some extent . But we have not an "addiction" as jerk-offs like Ken Salazar like to say . We have an economy and industrial base thoroughly geared to and powered by fossil fuels and to think that we can change that markedly in even twenty years isn't just unrealistic ... It's flat out stupid ! But after all , we never did give Stymie credit for having brains .  
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: warpmine on April 12, 2011, 02:28:01 PM
"But after all , we never did give Stymie credit for having brains "

 ::hysterical::
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: IronDioPriest on April 12, 2011, 02:35:47 PM
The new douchebag doesn't like my tone. I'm devastated.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Pandora on April 12, 2011, 02:44:54 PM

After y'all are through you are going to ban him. right?



He's welcome to stay as long as he keeps it cordial, remembering he is a guest here.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: John Florida on April 12, 2011, 02:52:33 PM
You're in Canada?
Google Alberta and you  tell me  ::facepalm::

 I was raised in Canada. I don't need to goolgle anything.What was Alberta before oil sands oil?Aren't you worried what might happen there?
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: radioman on April 12, 2011, 03:50:17 PM
LOL looks like the free exchange of ideas is safe  here!
 ::laughonfloor::

Please try to come up with one on your own and quit repeating the daily talking points.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: John Florida on April 12, 2011, 04:16:35 PM
LOL looks like the free exchange of ideas is safe  here!
 ::laughonfloor::

Please try to come up with one on your own and quit repeating the daily talking points.

 What talking points? He's in Canada they've got their own problems with their government. That last PM was dumped for being a thief and now they're going after the one in office(too conservative) a health care system that's sucking them dry entire Provinces that have been driven into the ground so they take money from his province to give to the other provinces because they shut down the coal industry in them.

  Taxes that reach 48% off the top of you pay and Provinces that have two  sales taxes one for the province and the other for  the government that total 13% or more. And he's worried about what our idiot in chief is doing or at least trying to do to us.


 Hell the come to Florida to do their school shopping to get the better prices and avoid their sales taxes and use their out of country residences so they don't even pay our sales taxes. Ask him how much fuel is in Canada,they pay more than we do and they sell it to us. The fuel taxes are murder up there.When we were paying four dollars they were paying almost six.

 And he's going to help us with what?
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: IronDioPriest on April 12, 2011, 04:19:19 PM
Scrollbar, let me make something clear to you moving forward.

This is a conservative website for conservatives. Most of us have been heavily involved for years in the "free exchange of ideas" with people like you. Most of us have determined that among your ideological comrades, there is no genuine discussion to be had, and that the attempt is all but worthless.

You're welcome to stay for now. Just know that any defense of Leftism or Leftists is viewed here as defending that which is indefensible, and will be treated as such.

I for one have determined that exchanging ideas with Leftists is an utterly worthless endeavor, unless the discussion is your unconditional surrender to the constitution and the restoration of the republic.

We're patriotic americans, or, what you and your ilk refer to as "right wing extremists".

We have nothing to discuss.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: John Florida on April 12, 2011, 04:52:52 PM
Scrollbar, let me make something clear to you moving forward.

This is a conservative website for conservatives. Most of us have been heavily involved for years in the "free exchange of ideas with people like you. Most of us have determined that among your ideological comrades, there is no genuine discussion to be had, and that the attempt is all but worthless.

You're welcome to stay for now. Just know that any defense of Leftism or Leftists is viewed here as defending that which is indefensible, and will be treated as such.

I for one have determined that exchanging ideas with Leftists is an utterly worthless endeavor, unless the discussion is your unconditional surrender to the constitution and the restoration of the republic.

We're patriotic americans, or, what you and your ilk refer to as "right wing extremists".

We have nothing to discuss.

 He's not American he has no constitution to discuss other than the Magna Carta.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Alphabet Soup on April 12, 2011, 04:58:44 PM
You're in Canada?
Google Alberta and you  tell me  ::facepalm::

I did and google told me that you were an asshole.

I vote burn him.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: John Florida on April 12, 2011, 06:10:46 PM
You're in Canada?
Google Alberta and you  tell me  ::facepalm::

I did and google told me that you were an a-hole.

I vote burn him.

 Why? you got something better to do. He's sitting there reading and not posting. He might be out of gas.Loosen up and let him exchange his ideas and see where it goes. He can't really defend his countrys tax system so I don't get why he would defend Bambi.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: IronDioPriest on April 12, 2011, 07:09:39 PM
Ahhhh, missed the Canuck bit... Dumbphone, tiny screen, no time....

Anyhoo, I've no mind to pat Canadian Leftists on the head either. Leftists waste time.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Scrollbar on April 12, 2011, 07:11:21 PM
Scrollbar, let me make something clear to you moving forward.

This is a conservative website for conservatives. Most of us have been heavily involved for years in the "free exchange of ideas with people like you. Most of us have determined that among your ideological comrades, there is no genuine discussion to be had, and that the attempt is all but worthless.

You're welcome to stay for now. Just know that any defense of Leftism or Leftists is viewed here as defending that which is indefensible, and will be treated as such.

I for one have determined that exchanging ideas with Leftists is an utterly worthless endeavor, unless the discussion is your unconditional surrender to the constitution and the restoration of the republic.

We're patriotic americans, or, what you and your ilk refer to as "right wing extremists".

We have nothing to discuss.

This post bothers me for a few reasons, but I'll start with the 1st  one, and that's the blanket broad brush comparison of liberals and left thinkers. We aren't all alike, just as I don't think all conservatives are the same.

Two. I enjoy the position of defending the ... and to quote you... "indefensible".  I welcome opposing view points, this is why I joined this forum. Going to a liberal site where I can sit there and agree with people all day is a boring idea to me. Also the  notion that left views are indefensible is a tad arrogant, and completely your point of view. Not factual.

Three. The constitution. The US constitution is an amazing document, and I think most-if not all-free countries in the world owe some sort of their freedoms to it. It's a a great document that inspired others like it. It's also important to divorce the idea of the constitution from certain conversations, as the two are mutually exclusive. A lot of modern day issues can't be solved by the constitution because they're problems that the founding fathers couldn't possibly have envisioned. This is why  it has amendments.

Fourthly, your strawman at the end of your post where you say patriotic Americans are "right wing extremists" in the eyes of my... "ilk". What you're saying here, by extension, is that patriotic Americans are right wingers, ipso facto, left wingers are NOT patriotic. This is a strawman and insulting. I'm sure you can find tens of thousands of soldiers in the US army who are liberal and putting their lives on the line for their country. Perhaps you could ask them how patriotic they are?
If you aren't interested in engaging me in enlightened and honest debate that's fine, it's your decision.
 
Why? you got something better to do. He's sitting there reading and not posting. He might be out of gas.Loosen up and let him exchange his ideas and see where it goes. He can't really defend his countrys tax system so I don't get why he would defend Bambi.

I can't respond to every post here... I am in the vast minority. If I tried to keep up with every zinger directed at me I'd have to quit my job and live on my socialist paradise wellfare!
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: radioman on April 12, 2011, 07:22:49 PM
socialist paradise wellfare!


There you go!! That's all you need to know about scrollbar. I think he could have included marxist in there somehow tho'.

Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: John Florida on April 12, 2011, 07:25:35 PM
I can't respond to every post here... I am in the vast minority. If I tried to keep up with every zinger directed at me I'd have to quit my job and live on my socialist paradise wellfare!

 Why do you care what goes on down here don't you have enough problems there to keep you occupied?Why deal with our mess when you have a beauty right there at home. No blogs in Canada?
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Scrollbar on April 12, 2011, 07:26:18 PM
socialist paradise wellfare!


There you go!! That's all you need to know about scrollbar. I think he could have included marxist in there somehow tho'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm)

(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRi-5psAPrWFVEPrquLqVkii-PD43oNqBidV0hBdmvU23WtX_yNaQ)


Why do you care what goes on down here don't you have enough problems there to keep you occupied?Why deal with our mess when you have a beauty right there at home. No blogs in Canada?

Thankfully I'm not in charge of the economic recovery, so I'm free to spend my time online as I please. Also, Canada's economy is in much better condition. Partly, if not largely, due to our banking industry having much tougher regulations... preventing our bankers from turning the stock market into a mob casino
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Pandora on April 12, 2011, 07:28:01 PM
Quote
A lot of modern day issues can't be solved by the constitution because they're problems that the founding fathers couldn't possibly have envisioned. This is why  it has amendments.

Wrong.  That's the left's problem - the beginning and end of it - in a nutshell.

The Constitution was written based on certain eternal Principles, therefore, it was not intended to solve, nor address, every issue nor all issues.  It was written to contain, restrain and direct the Federal government, not the people, period.  The Founders were genius incarnate and knew their own failings; that they were no doubt aware not everything could have been foreseen, they left a mechanism to address such, which has been misused, as well, in the Prohibition Amendment, and then rectified.

The Federal government has eighteen (18) duties and responsibilities as authorized by the Document and the people.

Other issues and problems were rightfully left to the States and the people to solve as befits them, not the Feds.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Scrollbar on April 12, 2011, 07:31:17 PM
Quote
A lot of modern day issues can't be solved by the constitution because they're problems that the founding fathers couldn't possibly have envisioned. This is why  it has amendments.

Wrong.  That's the left's problem - the beginning and end of it - in a nutshell.

The Constitution was written based on certain eternal Principles, therefore, it was not intended to solve, nor address, every issue nor all issues.  It was written to contain, restrain and direct the Federal government, not the people, period.  The Founders were genius incarnate and knew their own failings; that they were no doubt aware not everything could have been foreseen, they left a mechanism to address such, which has been misused, as well, in the Prohibition Amendment, and then rectified.

The Federal government has eighteen (18) duties and responsibilities as authorized by the Document and the people.

Other issues and problems were rightfully left to the States and the people to solve as befits them, not the Feds.


Keep in mind my comment about the constitution was directed as a response to someone else saying leftists need to "surrender...?" to it. Or surrender to the whim ... of those who think they know the constitution better? Anyways.

The constitution is there not only to limit government, but to guarantee certain liberties. As great as this document was I'll give you an example of where you are incorrect, pandora. The constitution had to be amended to free african americans and recognize them as people. Seems like a pretty important piece that the founders got wrong and history needed to correct. Wouldn't you agree?
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Alphabet Soup on April 12, 2011, 07:37:05 PM
Oh dear Lord... ::bashing::
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: IronDioPriest on April 12, 2011, 07:49:33 PM
Been here; done this.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: radioman on April 12, 2011, 07:50:55 PM
The constitution had to be amended to free african americans and recognize them as people. Seems like a pretty important piece that the founders got wrong and history needed to correct. Wouldn't you agree?

Oh dear Lord is Right!!

So what scrollbar is saying that since we amended the constitution regarding the slave issue,
then the constitution is supposed to serve up every want(on) desire of all leftists marxists socialists to create a "socialist paradise welfare".

Got it!!

I don't know why they didn't teach that back in my political science class?? ::whatgives::

Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Pandora on April 12, 2011, 07:56:34 PM
Quote
A lot of modern day issues can't be solved by the constitution because they're problems that the founding fathers couldn't possibly have envisioned. This is why  it has amendments.

Wrong.  That's the left's problem - the beginning and end of it - in a nutshell.

The Constitution was written based on certain eternal Principles, therefore, it was not intended to solve, nor address, every issue nor all issues.  It was written to contain, restrain and direct the Federal government, not the people, period.  The Founders were genius incarnate and knew their own failings; that they were no doubt aware not everything could have been foreseen, they left a mechanism to address such, which has been misused, as well, in the Prohibition Amendment, and then rectified.

The Federal government has eighteen (18) duties and responsibilities as authorized by the Document and the people.

Other issues and problems were rightfully left to the States and the people to solve as befits them, not the Feds.


Keep in mind my comment about the constitution was directed as a response to someone else saying leftists need to "surrender...?" to it. Or surrender to the whim ... of those who think they know the constitution better? Anyways.

The constitution is there not only to limit government, but to guarantee certain liberties. As great as this document was I'll give you an example of where you are incorrect, pandora. The constitution had to be amended to free african americans and recognize them as people. Seems like a pretty important piece that the founders got wrong and history needed to correct. Wouldn't you agree?

I know to whom your comment was directed, however, as this is an open discussion site, I added my contribution.  And, yes, it's surrender to the document as written - by ceding the desire for control over other free individuals by using the government - not as some sort of "living document".

The Constitution enshrines and guarantees "certain liberties" by limiting the Federal government's ability to dink around with them - at least as it was written and the signers ascertained in voluminous writings, and The Bill of Rights does not list all rights, as is clearly stated.  The Amendment freeing the slaves was a further limit on government.

I would imagine a Canadian would not be as well-versed in The US Constitution as a US citizen who has remained loyal to it, and can read and interpret plain English, so inserting slavery as some sort of appeal moral authority is a FAIL.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Pandora on April 12, 2011, 07:57:56 PM
Been here; done this.

As we all have.  Don't tell me you don't need any more practice, however.  ;D
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Alphabet Soup on April 12, 2011, 08:10:07 PM
Been here; done this.

As we all have.  Don't tell me you don't need any more practice, however.  ;D

I have (had) an inside kitty and an outside kitty. I was obliged from time to time to toss a ball of yarn or some other toy for the kitty in order to give it an outlet for it's natural stalking tendencies. The outside kitty deals with denizens of the dark on a regular basis. She needs no practice.

See where I'm headed?


edit: altard proofed
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Pandora on April 12, 2011, 08:12:25 PM
Been here; done this.

As we all have.  Don't tell me you don't need any more practice, however.  ;D

I have (had) an inside kitty and an outside kitty. I was obliged from time to time to toss a ball of yarn or some other toy for the kitty in order to give it an outlet for it's natural stalking tendencies. The outside kitty deals with denizens of the dark on a regular basis. She needs no practice.

See where I'm headed?


edit: altard proofed

Copy that.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Scrollbar on April 12, 2011, 08:15:13 PM

The Constitution enshrines and guarantees "certain liberties" by limiting the Federal government's ability to dink around with them - at least as it was written and the signers ascertained in voluminous writings, and The Bill of Rights does not list all rights, as is clearly stated.  The Amendment freeing the slaves was a further limit on government.

I would imagine a Canadian would not be as well-versed in The US Constitution as a US citizen who has remained loyal to it, and can read and interpret plain English, so inserting slavery as some sort of appeal moral authority is a FAIL.

Freeing slaves was... a limitation on government? Bollocks. It was extending rights to a group of people who didn't have rights to take away.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Pandora on April 12, 2011, 08:18:35 PM

The Constitution enshrines and guarantees "certain liberties" by limiting the Federal government's ability to dink around with them - at least as it was written and the signers ascertained in voluminous writings, and The Bill of Rights does not list all rights, as is clearly stated.  The Amendment freeing the slaves was a further limit on government.

I would imagine a Canadian would not be as well-versed in The US Constitution as a US citizen who has remained loyal to it, and can read and interpret plain English, so inserting slavery as some sort of appeal moral authority is a FAIL.

Freeing slaves was... a limitation on government? Bollocks. It was extending rights to a group of people who didn't have rights to take away.

Don't you presume to lecture me about American history.  It was guaranteeing Constitutional rights by limiting the power of Government to infringe.

Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Scrollbar on April 12, 2011, 08:23:34 PM

The Constitution enshrines and guarantees "certain liberties" by limiting the Federal government's ability to dink around with them - at least as it was written and the signers ascertained in voluminous writings, and The Bill of Rights does not list all rights, as is clearly stated.  The Amendment freeing the slaves was a further limit on government.

I would imagine a Canadian would not be as well-versed in The US Constitution as a US citizen who has remained loyal to it, and can read and interpret plain English, so inserting slavery as some sort of appeal moral authority is a FAIL.

Freeing slaves was... a limitation on government? Bollocks. It was extending rights to a group of people who didn't have rights to take away.

Don't you presume to lecture me about American history.  It was guaranteeing Constitutional rights by limiting the power of Government to infringe.



The level of semantics your reaching here is quite fantastic. What you're saying is, in effect, the constitution can't give anything, it only limits the government from taking things away. I get it. According to you the constitution didn't GIVE african americans, it stopped the government from denying them those rights.

I got news for your my American friends, there's no difference between the two in practice. It's only in theory and in argument is there any difference. Pure semantics.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: charlesoakwood on April 12, 2011, 08:32:21 PM

Hey scrollbar, here ya go

Ramble On - Led Zeppelin (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3HemKGDavw#)
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Alphabet Soup on April 12, 2011, 09:02:20 PM
Charles! I like that song! Here, give him this one instead:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnzHtm1jhL4
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Pandora on April 12, 2011, 09:10:04 PM

The Constitution enshrines and guarantees "certain liberties" by limiting the Federal government's ability to dink around with them - at least as it was written and the signers ascertained in voluminous writings, and The Bill of Rights does not list all rights, as is clearly stated.  The Amendment freeing the slaves was a further limit on government.

I would imagine a Canadian would not be as well-versed in The US Constitution as a US citizen who has remained loyal to it, and can read and interpret plain English, so inserting slavery as some sort of appeal moral authority is a FAIL.

Freeing slaves was... a limitation on government? Bollocks. It was extending rights to a group of people who didn't have rights to take away.

Don't you presume to lecture me about American history.  It was guaranteeing Constitutional rights by limiting the power of Government to infringe.



The level of semantics your reaching here is quite fantastic. What you're saying is, in effect, the constitution can't give anything, it only limits the government from taking things away. I get it. According to you the constitution didn't GIVE african americans, it stopped the government from denying them those rights.

Not semantics.  And, yes, that's right.  You're coming from the point of view beloved by our Halfrican president, whereby the Constitution thoughtlessly neglected the imposition of "positive rights".  Buddy-boy, there ain't no sech thang.  Government doesn't bestow or endow rights, it hasn't the power; it protects those endowed by Our Creator.

Quote
I got news for your my American friends, there's no difference between the two in practice. It's only in theory and in argument is there any difference. Pure semantics.

I got news for you, Canadian; there is a world of difference between the two and the friggin UN will be the first to validate your erroneous point of view.  In order for the government to bestow "rights" on one, something must be removed, some infringement must be inflicted upon, another.

Bunk and FAIL.

What trail of breadcrumbs led you to our humble abode, btw?
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: charlesoakwood on April 12, 2011, 09:27:13 PM
Charles! I like that song! Here, give him this one instead:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnzHtm1jhL4

 ::hysterical::

Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: John Florida on April 12, 2011, 09:40:23 PM
Charles! I like that song! Here, give him this one instead:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnzHtm1jhL4

 ::hysterical::



 See we're having fun!! Pan is working and we can do back  ::guitar::ground music.All we need is a Rocker in da house!! ::stirpot::
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Pandora on April 12, 2011, 09:50:48 PM
We DO have a "Paleo Rocker" around, 'cept I suspect he's stalked off temporarily "left the building" out of disgust.   ;D
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: John Florida on April 12, 2011, 10:15:51 PM
We DO have a "Paleo Rocker" around, 'cept I suspect he's stalked off temporarily "left the building" out of disgust.   ;D

 He's here and he is disgusted. ::gaah::
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: John Florida on April 12, 2011, 10:28:42 PM
 I can't for the life of me figure out why he's trying to pass himself off as a Canadian. ::whatgives::
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Pandora on April 12, 2011, 10:31:53 PM
Liars lie.

So Soup is still online?
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: IronDioPriest on April 12, 2011, 10:44:46 PM
He's really from Canada. A truth told.

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Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: John Florida on April 12, 2011, 11:10:18 PM
He's really from Canada. A truth told.

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 I'll be dipped!! Nothing about this guy spells Canadian. He's quoting Obamas interpretation of the constitution almost word for word. Why the hell does he give a crapabout American's feelings towards their TOTUS/ Unless he's American working in the Canadian oil fields?
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: John Florida on April 12, 2011, 11:10:44 PM
Liars lie.

So Soup is still online?

 His little square's yellow.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: rickl on April 12, 2011, 11:17:20 PM
Great White North: Back-Bacon and Long Underwear (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pPRaD6TKLc#)
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Pandora on April 12, 2011, 11:19:05 PM
He's really from Canada. A truth told.

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 I'll be dipped!! Nothing about this guy spells Canadian. He's quoting Obamas interpretation of the constitution almost word for word. Why the hell does he give a crapabout American's feelings towards their TOTUS/ Unless he's American working in the Canadian oil fields?

JF, Obama's "interpretation" of the Constitution is the typical leftist, UN-type "interpretation" of the Constitution.  He's a lefty parrot and the Duh Wun/leftist talking points are at fingertip via the internet all over the world.

SCROLLBAR:  The moderators of this site have received both of your complaints about the comments made by IDP - also an Admin -- to you.  He made them in public; the least you can do is have the common decency to voice your complaints also in public instead of attempting to tattletale. 

Warning One.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: John Florida on April 12, 2011, 11:24:19 PM
 This ones for you!!!

Janis Joplin - Cry Baby (live in toronto 1970) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjD4eWEUgMM#)
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Alphabet Soup on April 12, 2011, 11:27:32 PM
Liars lie.

So Soup is still online?

Back for more fun and entertainment  ::USA::

I had some pre-apocalypse dental work done and it's made me (more) cranky. I will applaud y'all for your tolerance and open-mindedness - especially with me.

Let me 'splain...

I'm fairly familiar with a bunch of folks here. Yet I would never have the gall to open with a statement like y'all are full of "ridiculous misguided anger". And I don't see anyone else pulling crap like that - even in jest.

As far as I'm concerned this is IDP's house and I'm a guest here. The idea of anyone waltzing in and insulting other folks as his/her/its first utterance is telling....very telling.

What it tells me is that what we have here is a boy whose mind is not right.  ;D

Seriously, you can toy with him if you want but I'm here to tell you that if he/she/it tried for a month of Sundays, he/she/it would be hard-pressed to conjure an original thought. It just ain't in him. If you want to check out leftist tripe you can just as easily go direct to the source:

www.democraticunderground.com (http://www.democraticunderground.com)
www.huffingtonpost.com (http://www.huffingtonpost.com)
www.mediamatters.org (http://www.mediamatters.org)

...and the beauty of it is that no matter how much their sh!t makes you barf, you won't track any onto the carpet here  ;D
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: John Florida on April 12, 2011, 11:28:22 PM
Charles ? Soup? you guys OK?? ::cool::
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Alphabet Soup on April 12, 2011, 11:32:01 PM
Charles ? Soup? you guys OK?? ::cool::

Cool as a cucumber and 5x5
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Pandora on April 12, 2011, 11:32:09 PM
Liars lie.

So Soup is still online?

Back for more fun and entertainment  ::USA::

I had some pre-apocalypse dental work done and it's made me (more) cranky. I will applaud y'all for your tolerance and open-mindedness - especially with me.

Let me 'splain...

I'm fairly familiar with a bunch of folks here. Yet I would never have the gall to open with a statement like y'all are full of "ridiculous misguided anger". And I don't see anyone else pulling crap like that - even in jest.

As far as I'm concerned this is IDP's house and I'm a guest here. The idea of anyone waltzing in and insulting other folks as his/her/its first utterance is telling....very telling.

What it tells me is that what we have here is a boy whose mind is not right.  ;D

Seriously, you can toy with him if you want but I'm here to tell you that if he/she/it tried for a month of Sundays, he/she/it would be hard-pressed to conjure an original thought. It just ain't in him. If you want to check out leftist tripe you can just as easily go direct to the source:

www.democraticunderground.com (http://www.democraticunderground.com)
www.huffingtonpost.com (http://www.huffingtonpost.com)
www.mediamatters.org (http://www.mediamatters.org)

...and the beauty of it is that no matter how much their sh!t makes you barf, you won't track any onto the carpet here  ;D

YOU ARE NOT A GUEST HERE, YOU ARE A BROTHER!

Indulge the scrappers among us for a bit, if you will.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Scrollbar on April 12, 2011, 11:34:10 PM

Not semantics.  And, yes, that's right.  You're coming from the point of view beloved by our Halfrican president, whereby the Constitution thoughtlessly neglected the imposition of "positive rights".  Buddy-boy, there ain't no sech thang.  Government doesn't bestow or endow rights, it hasn't the power; it protects those endowed by Our Creator.

I got news for you, Canadian; there is a world of difference between the two and the friggin UN will be the first to validate your erroneous point of view.  In order for the government to bestow "rights" on one, something must be removed, some infringement must be inflicted upon, another.

Bunk and FAIL.

What trail of breadcrumbs led you to our humble abode, btw?

I finally understand the conservative perspective. 2 sentences, describing the same action:
1. The government amended the constitution today to allow African Americans to participate freely in society, and make it illegal to hold them as slaves. They are now able to vote and are considered equal citizens
2. The government amended the constitution today, restricting itself from further denial of god given rights to the African American. With the government no longer in the way, they can now vote and are equal citizens, as they always have been, but not in the eyes of the government.

First off the ridiculous complexity of the 2nd situation is self evident. Second, I get it. God can only give people basic human rights. Not the US government (in your eyes). It boils down to a religious thing, does it not?

As far as this warning..

So I've been given a warning for using a tool on the site, specifically for abuse (I would consider childish name calling a good example) because I'm a tattle tale? Okay then. Oh and it was a moderator who did it.. even funnier. (I also expressed my displeasure for his name calling in the thread but he responded by again calling me a douche bag... lol)

If a liberal isn't welcome here just delete my account. I've been nothing but polite to members here and tried to provide an alternate perspective. One of the admins calling me a douchebag, then, me getting a warning for using the report an abusive post button are stupid games I'm not interested in playing.

Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Alphabet Soup on April 12, 2011, 11:39:46 PM
Rickl - I gotta tell ya that I loved the McKenzie Brothers!
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: John Florida on April 12, 2011, 11:39:55 PM
Charles ? Soup? you guys OK?? ::cool::

Cool as a cucumber and 5x5

 Now Soup how can you even think he can hurt our feelings in any way. First you have to like him before he can hurt our feelings and it doesn't look good for him as we speak.

  He comes stomping in making a mess all over the place then complains about IDP only he's too dumb to know he's sending it to IDP and he wants to come off as the smart one. Well some of us may be dumb but at least we have the good manors to find out who the players are before we start shooting ourselves in the feet(both).

 But if you're going to make an entrance you just got the what not to do lesson.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: John Florida on April 12, 2011, 11:45:21 PM

Not semantics.  And, yes, that's right.  You're coming from the point of view beloved by our Halfrican president, whereby the Constitution thoughtlessly neglected the imposition of "positive rights".  Buddy-boy, there ain't no sech thang.  Government doesn't bestow or endow rights, it hasn't the power; it protects those endowed by Our Creator.

I got news for you, Canadian; there is a world of difference between the two and the friggin UN will be the first to validate your erroneous point of view.  In order for the government to bestow "rights" on one, something must be removed, some infringement must be inflicted upon, another.

Bunk and FAIL.

What trail of breadcrumbs led you to our humble abode, btw?

I finally understand the conservative perspective. 2 sentences, describing the same action:
1. The government amended the constitution today to allow African Americans to participate freely in society, and make it illegal to hold them as slaves. They are now able to vote and are considered equal citizens
2. The government amended the constitution today, restricting itself from further denial of god given rights to the African American. With the government no longer in the way, they can now vote and are equal citizens, as they always have been, but not in the eyes of the government.

First off the ridiculous complexity of the 2nd situation is self evident. Second, I get it. God can only give people basic human rights. Not the US government (in your eyes). It boils down to a religious thing, does it not?

As far as this warning..

So I've been given a warning for using a tool on the site, specifically for abuse (I would consider childish name calling a good example) because I'm a tattle tale? Okay then. Oh and it was a moderator who did it.. even funnier. (I also expressed my displeasure for his name calling in the thread but he responded by again calling me a douche bag... lol)

If a liberal isn't welcome here just delete my account. I've been nothing but polite to members here and tried to provide an alternate perspective. One of the admins calling me a douchebag, then, me getting a warning for using the report an abusive post button are stupid games I'm not interested in playing.



 Hope to run into you someday may I'll spring for a vinegar and water  with a twist.Polite people don't come stomping into other peoples homes like a bull in a china shop.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Scrollbar on April 12, 2011, 11:47:34 PM
this is an internet forum dude. a political one. if i knocked over some china many apologies but i didnt personally attack anyone.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Pandora on April 12, 2011, 11:48:55 PM

Not semantics.  And, yes, that's right.  You're coming from the point of view beloved by our Halfrican president, whereby the Constitution thoughtlessly neglected the imposition of "positive rights".  Buddy-boy, there ain't no sech thang.  Government doesn't bestow or endow rights, it hasn't the power; it protects those endowed by Our Creator.

I got news for you, Canadian; there is a world of difference between the two and the friggin UN will be the first to validate your erroneous point of view.  In order for the government to bestow "rights" on one, something must be removed, some infringement must be inflicted upon, another.

Bunk and FAIL.

What trail of breadcrumbs led you to our humble abode, btw?

I finally understand the conservative perspective. 2 sentences, describing the same action:
1. The government amended the constitution today to allow African Americans to participate freely in society, and make it illegal to hold them as slaves. They are now able to vote and are considered equal citizens
2. The government amended the constitution today, restricting itself from further denial of god given rights to the African American. With the government no longer in the way, they can now vote and are equal citizens, as they always have been, but not in the eyes of the government.

First off the ridiculous complexity of the 2nd situation is self evident. Second, I get it. God can only give people basic human rights. Not the US government (in your eyes). It boils down to a religious thing, does it not?

As far as this warning..

So I've been given a warning for using a tool on the site, specifically for abuse (I would consider childish name calling a good example) because I'm a tattle tale? Okay then. Oh and it was a moderator who did it.. even funnier. (I also expressed my displeasure for his name calling in the thread but he responded by again calling me a douche bag... lol)

If a liberal isn't welcome here just delete my account. I've been nothing but polite to members here and tried to provide an alternate perspective. One of the admins calling me a douchebag, then, me getting a warning for using the report an abusive post button are stupid games I'm not interested in playing.



You seem to like that word, "ridiculous"; you wrote it in your very first post here:  "This whole thread is full of ridiculous misguided anger."

Not an auspicious beginning, wouldn't you say, and not particularly polite

Your second included this:  "I'm guilty of that as much as anyone. I paid 50 bucks to tank up my Mazda 3 a month ago ... when I saw the total ring up I looked at the gas pump and muttered "time to bomb Saudia Arabia" after remarking that this was "a conservative-minded site" relating your desire to bomb SA with our conservative-mindedness shaping our responses to the Thug in Chief.  Whups!  Looka that, I did it again!

I'm finding it difficult to fathom you didn't notice IronDioPriest's Admin/Moderator marker, so I see your "report this post" as a divide-and-conquer needle.  I called you out on it. 

I believe it would be better if you sought more fertile fields elsewhere.  Good luck.


Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: radioman on April 12, 2011, 11:49:12 PM
I get it. God can only give people basic human rights. Not the US government (in your eyes). It boils down to a religious thing, does it not?

In the founding fathers eyes, not just 'our' eyes, as that is what they stated in the Declaration of Independence. Simple English, easy to interpret and understand. Meaning, the government can't take away, assign, or deal in any way, people's rights. Especially, for social justice engineering. That's what obama can't come to grips with, and also communists, marxists, leftists, socialists, welfare-ists.

People that want a 'socialist welfare paradise' should move to a country that is ruled by a communist manifesto; such as Russia?, because those ideas and ideologies are in direct conflict with what our founding fathers wrote in the constitution. You know, the one that you say is so good.

You don't like the idea of man's rights given to us from God? Good. Stay in Canada. Enjoy your rights being bandied about by the whims of your politicians. Good luck with that.


Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Scrollbar on April 12, 2011, 11:53:40 PM
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In the founding fathers eyes, not just 'our' eyes, as that is what they stated in the Declaration of Independence. Simple English, easy to interpret and understand. Meaning, the government can't take away, assign, or deal in any way, people's rights.
And yet the took away the rights of an entire race of people, only to have their document amended at a future date to fix their over sight. Right.

Quote
I'm finding it difficult to fathom you didn't notice IronDioPriest's Admin/Moderator marker, so I see your "report this post" as a divide-and-conquer needle.  I called you out on it. 

How is it difficult... it was maybe sandwiched between my 5 or 6th post on this site. I have no clue who anyone is. Divide and conquer? You give me far too much credit. I was simply making use of the report abuse feature. If anything the admin himself should be embarrassed for his behavior on a site he`s supposed to be moderating.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Alphabet Soup on April 12, 2011, 11:55:33 PM
That's the sweet irony of it radioman - Canadians don't have any rights. They have privileges extended (for the moment) by government. Don't get me wrong - I love Canadians. Living in a border state we rub elbows all the time. But for one to come in here and lecture any of us about rights and the US Constitution is beyond the pale.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: IronDioPriest on April 12, 2011, 11:56:20 PM
...One of the admins calling me a douchebag...

Ooops, I forgot the all-important adjective. "f**king" douchebag.

ETA: To my friends, please forgive my lack of self control.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Alphabet Soup on April 12, 2011, 11:58:12 PM
...One of the admins calling me a douchebag...

Ooops, I forgot the all-important adjective. "f**king" douchebag.

I don't know how you could have missed that... ::pokeineye::
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: radioman on April 12, 2011, 11:59:19 PM
Quote
In the founding fathers eyes, not just 'our' eyes, as that is what they stated in the Declaration of Independence. Simple English, easy to interpret and understand. Meaning, the government can't take away, assign, or deal in any way, people's rights.
And yet the took away the rights of an entire race of people, only to have their document amended at a future date to fix their over sight. Right.

Not exactly how it happened. Slavery was in existance long before our country was founded. So, the claim that our founding fathers 'took away' anyone's rights is inaccurate, to say it politely. Slavery still exists today in many countries. We corrected a wrong in our country that existed in many places on the face of the Earth.

The founding fathers were about creating a new country. It wasn't about creating an environment 'for' slavery. So, take your strawman and smoke it!

Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: radioman on April 13, 2011, 12:02:38 AM
That's the sweet irony of it radioman - Canadians don't have any rights. They have privileges extended (for the moment) by government. Don't get me wrong - I love Canadians. Living in a border state we rub elbows all the time. But for one to come in here and lecture any of us about rights and the US Constitution is beyond the pale.

That's right AS!!

We are citizens, they are subjects. hahaha! LOL!! ::rolllaughing::
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: rickl on April 13, 2011, 12:05:17 AM
Slavery began when a strong caveman realized that he could force a weaker one to do his bidding by threatening violence.

It was the norm in human societies across all times and places.  Might makes right.

It was England and the United States who put an end to it in the 19th Century.

But then the leftist totalitarians reinstated it in the 20th Century.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Pandora on April 13, 2011, 12:08:16 AM
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Wave buh-bye to "scrollbar" kids.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: radioman on April 13, 2011, 12:08:37 AM
Slavery began when a strong caveman realized that he could force a weaker one to do his bidding by threatening violence.

It was the norm in human societies across all times and places.  Might makes right.

It was England and the United States who put an end to it in the 19th Century.

But then the leftist totalitarians reinstated it in the 20th Century.

Yeah, and all the obamatites are trying to reinstate it again in this country.  ::evil::
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Alphabet Soup on April 13, 2011, 12:13:32 AM
Well that was unpleasant  ::hysterical::
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: LadyVirginia on April 13, 2011, 12:22:26 AM
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Wave buh-bye to "scrollbar" kids.


 ::deercorn::

bye
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: trapeze on April 13, 2011, 12:27:52 AM
Come on, campers...

....cut the cannuck some slack. There is absolutely no way for him, raised in the great white north, to have any real understanding of our Constitution. Canadians have the same blind spots as the other so-called "free" countries that suck off of the protection provided them by the US military. That would be the same military that they love to bad mouth from the comfort of their socialist paradises. Cracks me up.

More than a few Albertans, though, are conservative. They have gotten more than a little tired of their own entitlement class sucking off of their oil resources. So...this one is either a transplant from BC (Vancouver is teeming with lefties) or from east of Saskatchewan. Ontario is bad. Quebec is chock full of clueless inbred French Canadians and the maritime provinces are completely hopeless.

Either that or he's just mental. But without a doubt he's somewhat uneducated and that's mostly not his fault. Canadian education is big on French language studies. Freedom? Not so much.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: John Florida on April 13, 2011, 12:42:38 AM
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Wave buh-bye to "scrollbar" kids.


 OK   ::mooning:: ::kissface::
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Pandora on April 13, 2011, 12:48:29 AM
Come on, campers...

....cut the cannuck some slack. There is absolutely no way for him, raised in the great white north, to have any real understanding of our Constitution. Canadians have the same blind spots as the other so-called "free" countries that suck off of the protection provided them by the US military. That would be the same military that they love to bad mouth from the comfort of their socialist paradises. Cracks me up.

More than a few Albertans, though, are conservative. They have gotten more than a little tired of their own entitlement class sucking off of their oil resources. So...this one is either a transplant from BC (Vancouver is teeming with lefties) or from east of Saskatchewan. Ontario is bad. Quebec is chock full of clueless inbred French Canadians and the maritime provinces are completely hopeless.

Either that or he's just mental. But without a doubt he's somewhat uneducated and that's mostly not his fault. Canadian education is big on French language studies. Freedom? Not so much.

So you're disappointed that we didn't play the cannuck like cat with a rrrrubber mouse?
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: trapeze on April 13, 2011, 01:38:46 AM
Come on, campers...

....cut the cannuck some slack. There is absolutely no way for him, raised in the great white north, to have any real understanding of our Constitution. Canadians have the same blind spots as the other so-called "free" countries that suck off of the protection provided them by the US military. That would be the same military that they love to bad mouth from the comfort of their socialist paradises. Cracks me up.

More than a few Albertans, though, are conservative. They have gotten more than a little tired of their own entitlement class sucking off of their oil resources. So...this one is either a transplant from BC (Vancouver is teeming with lefties) or from east of Saskatchewan. Ontario is bad. Quebec is chock full of clueless inbred French Canadians and the maritime provinces are completely hopeless.

Either that or he's just mental. But without a doubt he's somewhat uneducated and that's mostly not his fault. Canadian education is big on French language studies. Freedom? Not so much.

So you're disappointed that we didn't play the cannuck like cat with a rrrrubber mouse?

Absolutely. Why on earth should we take someone like that seriously? Bait them and play with them. This is our forum and we ought to be able to have some fun with a nutty leftist when they show up looking for trouble. It should be like tag team wrestling. But play with their heads. Use circular arguments. Ask them absurd questions. Challenge their manhood. But never waste your time trying to reason with them after they reveal themselves to be liberal versions of the walking dead. Just shove them around and have fun with them.


The Liberal "Winning" The Argument..."Come back here you yellow bastard! I'll bite your legs off!" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXT1fb_TkX4#)


That's what I think, anyway.

Obviously I was too late to this particular game. My post was just not in time. I went after his Canadian heritage immediately with some stereotypical stuff designed to twist his nose but good. Maybe he would have taken the bait. Maybe not. Don't know but if he didn't then I would have tried something else. But I don't think I would have given him any satisfaction with his ridiculous notions about the Constitution or American heritage and freedom and such. Just a big waste of time as IDP noted.

I wouldn't want to do it everyday or all the time but I do sometimes miss those Powerline days when I used to beat up on april and several of the other reliable nuts. The problem is that you can't do it just about anywhere else because they are either so far in the minority that they won't throw down or if you are in their territory they just ban you right away.

Ah well. Perhaps next time I will get to have some fun.

Not that I'm criticizing you for banning him. I'm not. He was an annoying idiot who had no business commenting on our politics. I can just imagine how stupid it would be for me to show up on a blog about some other country's politics and start spouting off about how dumb they are. The guy was a dork. The only real mistake here was extending him any courtesy. He deserved none. We are just too darn polite sometimes and that's both good and bad if you know what I mean.

Okay, rant over.

Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Sectionhand on April 13, 2011, 03:25:17 AM
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Wave buh-bye to "scrollbar" kids.

That was quicker than getting rid of that anti-Masonic kook LarryH . How do ya do it ?  ::devil::
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Glock32 on April 13, 2011, 06:51:43 AM
You go out of town for a few days and look what's happened in the interim. Did someone leave food out overnight?

If you want to invite Canadian visitors, these are the ones you want: www.smalldeadanimals.com (http://www.smalldeadanimals.com)

That's a solid site of Canadian conservatives.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: ToddF on April 13, 2011, 07:13:26 AM
I don't want to read 5 more pages of blueboy reincarnated.  Anyone have the Reader's Digest version of last night?
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Libertas on April 13, 2011, 07:43:58 AM
It sounded like our Canadian friend thought he know more about American history and our constitution than we do, and proceeded to impress us with his breathtaking lack of knowledge thereof. 

It was a relatively quick abortion termination, he should be pleased and grateful for our compassionate response.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Alphabet Soup on April 13, 2011, 08:50:14 AM
I agree with what Trap was saying and if my tooth hadn't been killing me from the drugs wearing off I might have been more accommodating.

This will happen again so we should establish some guidelines (if you don't mind my saying so).

Personally I can tolerate having a lefty around as long as they are respectful. scrollbar was not. But you noticed how he attempted to turn tables and suggest that if anyone took exception to his digs it was our fault? How he deflected and scapegoated when he found himself knee deep in it? That crap won't fly with me for long.

And I am interested in alternate POV but he never presented one. His criticism was focused on our criticism. The further along we went he wouldn't respond in any dialog fashion, but rather like the seminar callers who know their sh!t is outrageous that it's only a matter of seconds before they'll get cut off so they need to rush through it. I seriously doubt that you'd ever get sincerity out of a schlub like that.

How about we just corral them for Trap?!

I'll promise that they'll still be breathing by the time you get here  :supercool:
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Libertas on April 13, 2011, 09:30:28 AM
I tried to be accommodating at first, then he just started the same libtard talking points and being argumentative just to be argumentative, so I lit him up and walked away from it for others to deal with, as I knew they would.  Getting caught up this morning and...here we are.

Trap will have to be a little quicker on the trigger if he wants trap more tards!   ;)

I don't mind a lefty who tries to stay on topic and be truthful, but they will fly off both rails eventually!
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: John Florida on April 13, 2011, 10:21:09 AM
I treated it like a new toy and was rather enjoying it. Then all of a sudden people tried to take it away and that's not fair!! But I did enjoy it while I had it.  ::whoohoo::
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: IronDioPriest on April 13, 2011, 10:22:43 AM
People are obviously free to engage with trolls however they choose, but after this episode I have some thoughts I'll share later when I'm not on the phone re; soups suggestion of guidelines.

My thoughts will be coming from a perspective relative to my comments thus far.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: ToddF on April 13, 2011, 10:56:35 AM
I was gone pretty much when I read "addiction to oil."   ::barf:: for blueboy  ::laughonfloor::

Someone that can't get beyond the most very basic tard talking points, in their very first post, isn't worth my time. 

Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: John Florida on April 13, 2011, 11:17:12 AM
I was gone pretty much when I read "addiction to oil."   ::barf:: for blueboy  ::laughonfloor::

Someone that can't get beyond the most very basic tard talking points, in their very first post, isn't worth my time. 



  Yup but what you missed was that he was/is from Alberta Canada where all the had in the past was growing wheat and hit the lottery when they started with OIL production and admits that he and his family live well because of oil.

 So he didn't seem to mind making a living off oil but didn't want us to drill in ANWAR because of the potential spills.It was all over the place crazy. But I have to admit I just love watching PAN go at these people. It's like a Terrier going after an new toy. Once she has it in her teeth there's no taking it away!!


 It was great her fur was standing straight up and all the teeth were showing. If she could have gotten her sights on him he would not have walked away.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Glock32 on April 13, 2011, 11:28:06 AM
Yeah I am sick of the expression "addiction to oil". As noted previously, I happen to have an "addiction to modern medicine", an "addiction to dry, warm shelter" an "addiction to inexpensive, quality food". The list goes on and on. Oil is inextricably linked to all of these things. What bothers me most about that banal admonition is that it implies there is some sort of reasonable alternative that we would be embracing right now, were it not for our thickheaded "addiction" getting in the way. What alternative? The only one that could possibly be a viable alternative is nuclear, and we know the fits of apoplexy that sends them into.

This business about an "addiction to oil" is, like its twin bogey man "global warming", just a canard for the complete upending of our economic and political structures. They want to force the population into dense, controlled housing. Individual liberty and rights are an impediment to the Left's goal of control, so they chip away at them by making energy artificially scarce and expensive, installing "Smart Grid" electrical infrastructure (you can't be trusted with the freedom to control your own thermostat, because you'll set it according to your own desires), and so on. Complaints about the loss of freedom and wealth are at first ridiculed as some anachronistic fetish that is a "danger" to the environment, "unfair" to other people.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Alphabet Soup on April 13, 2011, 11:35:12 AM
I treated it like a new toy and was rather enjoying it. Then all of a sudden people tried to take it away and that's not fair!! But I did enjoy it while I had it.  ::whoohoo::

Sorry JF - I should have been more understanding ;-)
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Alphabet Soup on April 13, 2011, 11:43:51 AM
Yeah I am sick of the expression "addiction to oil". As noted previously, I happen to have an "addiction to modern medicine", an "addiction to dry, warm shelter" an "addiction to inexpensive, quality food". The list goes on and on. Oil is inextricably linked to all of these things. What bothers me most about that banal admonition is that it implies there is some sort of reasonable alternative that we would be embracing right now, were it not for our thickheaded "addiction" getting in the way. What alternative? The only one that could possibly be a viable alternative is nuclear, and we know the fits of apoplexy that sends them into.

This business about an "addiction to oil" is, like its twin bogey man "global warming", just a canard for the complete upending of our economic and political structures. They want to force the population into dense, controlled housing. Individual liberty and rights are an impediment to the Left's goal of control, so they chip away at them by making energy artificially scarce and expensive, installing "Smart Grid" electrical infrastructure (you can't be trusted with the freedom to control your own thermostat, because you'll set it according to your own desires), and so on. Complaints about the loss of freedom and wealth are at first ridiculed as some anachronistic fetish that is a "danger" to the environment, "unfair" to other people.

So true Glock32, and so hypocritical.

Schlubs like spacebar aren't Luddites - they have no intention of altering their personal lifestyle or minimizing their "footprint". Their aim is to alter yours (and mine). The only extent to which they "do without" is in respect to things they wouldn't be inclined to "do with" in the first place.

In the final analysis it is especially sick because it is so needless. Our late friend spacebar inadvertently flirted with reality with his acknowledgment that we don't have an energy crisis - we have a leadership crisis. There is no shortage of oil - it just needs to be accessed and far too few pols have the the courage to simply stand up and shout it out.

Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Libertas on April 13, 2011, 11:46:06 AM
Yeah I am sick of the expression "addiction to oil". As noted previously, I happen to have an "addiction to modern medicine", an "addiction to dry, warm shelter" an "addiction to inexpensive, quality food". The list goes on and on. Oil is inextricably linked to all of these things. What bothers me most about that banal admonition is that it implies there is some sort of reasonable alternative that we would be embracing right now, were it not for our thickheaded "addiction" getting in the way. What alternative? The only one that could possibly be a viable alternative is nuclear, and we know the fits of apoplexy that sends them into.

This business about an "addiction to oil" is, like its twin bogey man "global warming", just a canard for the complete upending of our economic and political structures. They want to force the population into dense, controlled housing. Individual liberty and rights are an impediment to the Left's goal of control, so they chip away at them by making energy artificially scarce and expensive, installing "Smart Grid" electrical infrastructure (you can't be trusted with the freedom to control your own thermostat, because you'll set it according to your own desires), and so on. Complaints about the loss of freedom and wealth are at first ridiculed as some anachronistic fetish that is a "danger" to the environment, "unfair" to other people.

/quote]



Don't forget addicted to air and breathing!  What a dependency!

 ::)

That's why I laid that spewage open as BS right away when in my first post I said - "We are addicted to oil", that is weak-minded psychobabble served up by Ruling Class overlords to control ignorant masses.  What we are currently addicted to his hopey/changey socialist BS!

Fools such as this must not even be capable of recognizing the cognitive dissonance the rest of us normal human beings experience!  Their "addictions" good, our "addictions" bad!  Like John Adams said "facts are stubborn things", so are the meaning of words and concepts governing their ethical use!  Leftards butcher the truth, abuse words and twist facts and when you call them on it, they get all pissy!  Makes one want to step on their face!
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: AmericanPatriot on April 13, 2011, 12:00:19 PM
It was fun while it lasted.
I was late getting here only to find the party's over
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Pandora on April 13, 2011, 12:04:20 PM
I was gone pretty much when I read "addiction to oil."   ::barf:: for blueboy  ::laughonfloor::

Someone that can't get beyond the most very basic tard talking points, in their very first post, isn't worth my time. 



That's exactly what set me off - and then he repeated it.  I PM'd IDP at about that time saying I was tempted to ban his ass the next time he said it.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: John Florida on April 13, 2011, 12:44:08 PM
I treated it like a new toy and was rather enjoying it. Then all of a sudden people tried to take it away and that's not fair!! But I did enjoy it while I had it.  ::whoohoo::

Sorry JF - I should have been more understanding ;-)

 It's cool,too much of anything is bad for you any way.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Predator Don on April 13, 2011, 02:54:23 PM
Dang...Gone a few days and look what I missed....But it was enjoyable reading.

Here is his original post:This whole thread is full of ridiculous misguided anger.

A dude driving a huge gas guzzling vehicle is whining to the president that it costs too much to fill up, and the president offers some HONEST advice? "OH NO HE HATES 'MURICAH!!"

We shouldn't confuse this as an attack on liberty so much as being realistic. My god, people nowadays are so freaking unable to make sacrafice. Can you imagine if this was ww2 and people were being asked to limit their fuel use and donate whatever they could to the war effort? People would be marching on the streets crying that they won't be able to play xbox and drive an escalade to drop their kid off to school.

Grow up America
 
 

From his admission he made money off oil to the claim sacrifice would be taking the Presidents " honest" advise and buying a car (Volt) told me all I needed to know.

I did find it amusing his comparasion of real American sacrifice during WW2 to now, apparantly, sacrificing your SUV in the name of: choose one: Global warming 2)Enviromental disaster 3) the new sacrifice 4) limited fuel consumption

But I'll tell you what his real issue is.....He is from canada and the Stanley Cup playoffs start tonite...And this beloved Canadian teams haven't won a Cup since the 1980's. He is on edge. He wants our teams to roll over and sacrifice the Cup to canada. Hell, most of thier teams can't qualify for the playoffs.

Grow up Canada.

P.S. Don't use the tired excuse most American teams have Canadians.  We bring them down here and teach them how to win.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: LadyVirginia on April 13, 2011, 03:02:15 PM
Don't use the tired excuse most American teams have Canadians.  We bring them down here and teach them how to win.

 ::rolllaughing:: ::rolllaughing:: ::rolllaughing::
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Glock32 on April 13, 2011, 03:51:30 PM
A lot of Canada's best doctors come to the US to practice, too. Well, they used to.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: RickZ on April 15, 2011, 06:47:56 AM
What I find funny about the discussion of our Constitution and slavery by a Canadian is that when it was written, 1787, slavery, as abhorrent as we find it today, was standard operating procedure around the world in that time period.  He11, even the UK did not abolish slavery until 1833, which was some years after our Constitution was written and enacted.

On top of that, the part in the Constitution which counts slaves as 3/5 for representation purposes was not the current narrative:  Racism in thinking blacks were worth less than whites.  In fact, it was quite the opposite.  Those Founders who were sickened by slavery saw it as a dying institution, though not dying fast enough by any means, and they could not stop it at that time due to a number of factors, including money and war weariness.  So the 3/5 number was designed to be antislavery, which is counterintuitive.  By limiting the weight of representation of the Southern states, the Founders were limiting the slaveholding states' impact on national policy.  If slaves were counted at 100%, then the south could have been able to maintain a national policy of slavery far beyond their slaveholding numbers.  In the end, slavery would have lasted far longer than when it ended in 1864-1865.

But I do find it humorous that someone from Canada is criticising our Constitution over the slavery issue when the UK still had slavery as well, and that included Canada.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: IronDioPriest on April 15, 2011, 07:30:04 AM
What I find funny about the discussion of our Constitution and slavery by a Canadian is that when it was written, 1787, slavery, as abhorrent as we find it today, was standard operating procedure around the world in that time period...

That's exactly right. What those who use slavery to undermine the legitimacy of the American founding fail to grasp is that slavery was a societal institution that was both deeply embedded and hotly contested. In the effort to found this nation it was politically impossible to eradicate slavery, but in the intense debate that led to the founding and ultimately the constitution, the seed was planted and the mechanisms were put into place to eradicate slavery eventually, thus making those "evil White slave owners" directly responsible for overturning that evil institution. It could never have happened without the constitution, and the blood of millions of Americans.
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: gwenf on May 05, 2011, 12:47:26 AM
Increasing gasoline prices are beginning to take a heavy toll on Americans’ personal finances. Individuals have to pay more at the pump, and recent economic data indicates that it has caused personal incomes and economic growth to grow. Nationwide gas prices are getting closer to record highs from years back. People are not amused. I read this here: Americans feeling the pinch of higher gas prices (http://personalmoneystore.com/moneyblog/2011/04/29/higher-gas-prices/).
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: Sectionhand on May 05, 2011, 05:02:16 AM
Increasing gasoline prices are beginning to take a heavy toll on Americans’ personal finances. Individuals have to pay more at the pump, and recent economic data indicates that it has caused personal incomes and economic growth to grow. Nationwide gas prices are getting closer to record highs from years back. People are not amused. I read this here: Americans feeling the pinch of higher gas prices (http://personalmoneystore.com/moneyblog/2011/04/29/higher-gas-prices/).


Quite right and I don't see the rise slowing . If anything , with Stymie's continued disasterous energy policies , gasoline could reach $6.00 per gal by the first part of 2012 . That doesn't bode well for his re-election chances which suits me just fine !
Title: Re: Obama tells man questioning him about high gas prices: Buy a new car
Post by: RickZ on May 05, 2011, 06:15:21 AM
Increasing gasoline prices are beginning to take a heavy toll on Americans’ personal finances. Individuals have to pay more at the pump, and recent economic data indicates that it has caused personal incomes and economic growth to grow. Nationwide gas prices are getting closer to record highs from years back. People are not amused. I read this here: Americans feeling the pinch of higher gas prices (http://personalmoneystore.com/moneyblog/2011/04/29/higher-gas-prices/).
Maybe you meant 'to slow', or 'to be nonexistent'?