It's About Liberty: A Conservative Forum
Topics => General Board => Topic started by: sfetter on February 08, 2017, 09:27:26 AM
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Certainly it is clear that the progressives have declared war on anything they do not agree with, but at a level none of us have seen in our lifetime. What is notable in this war (so far) is that the shooting has not started.
You know, I really feel sorry for the young people coming up who may have conservative or christian views as their lives may greatly be affected if people know their views. Opportunities we took for granted growing up will be taken from them if their views are known. For me, at 60, I don't give a Damn! I tell people what I think and if they don't like it they can kiss my fuzzy butt.
Back to the civil war. We have never seen a time like this in our lifetimes. I am really wondering where the next 4 years are going to lead. I am very interested to hear from members here on where you think we are going to end up in the next few years. Thanks.
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I am 39 and it's definitely nothing I have ever seen in my lifetime. Some older people have told me that it's still nothing compared to what the radical lefties were doing in the 60s and 70s though. I don't know though, to me it seems like there is potential for this to suddenly get that bad or worse. There is a whole new element to it with social media organization. The radical left of today also has a stronger monopoly on the administrative state than they did back then. I mean look at Berkeley -- those cops were clearly under orders to not lift a finger. At least in the 60s the leftist pukes got themselves some stick-time with the police.
We have to also consider the desperation factor that is different with this current crop of bolsheviks. In the 60s and 70s they were in their "long march" mode and thought the future was theirs. They could weather setbacks. Now they're in a position of seeing that they were on the goal line and fumbled the ball, we recovered it. I think they were convinced they were almost there, almost to the point that they would secure permanent ownership of our country and culture. If we are allowed to actually advance the ball back down the field in the opposite direction, such as with immigration reform and border security, it could very well put the Left's ambitions out of reach and they know it. So they are in desperation mode right now, desperate to prevent that from happening.
There is no telling how much they are going to up the ante.
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I am 60 and lived thru those times in the late 60s and 70s. Certainly there was substantial unrest back in those days but I believe we are at a different level today. There is a lot more organization today both here in the USA as well as around the world. In addition, today the progressives have almost total control of all of our infrastructure including schools and corporate America. They may have had some influence some decades ago, but not like today.
In my home town of Louisville Kentucky, we have been a sanctuary city for many years but they keep it very quiet. We have more than our share of immigrants both legal and illegal but they are never in the local news as to numbers or how they are getting here.
But staying quiet might be changing. Last night our public school board passed an ordnance making the public school system a safe zone for illegals. I suspect our city and our mayor will follow very soon. Like others around the nation, I am watching the city go to hell with more and more crime and killings.
But then everything has been proceeding according to plan. The progressives are just pissed that Trump has interrupted the time table for the completion of the takeover.
Like history in the century's before it is coming down to the conservative christian's ( and Jews) against the rest of the world, and while we may have won a small battle with the election of Trump, we are losing the war. At least that is how I see it.
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... It’s easy to sit in your lounger, with your laptop across your knees, and pontificate on the false motivations of the Leftist activists. “Oh, they’re just attention whores!” “Oh, they just want their safe spaces!” “Oh, they’re just useful idiots being played.” “Oh, they’ll quit as soon as the money stops.” There’s a very real problem with that though, and it’s called underestimating your enemy. If you don’t believe that a dude who is out, in wintertime, in a protest/riot, and eating some riot cops baton, as he receives a solid washing with “hickory shampoo,” is not a dedicated True Believer, you’re deluding yourself.
If you think that some twenty-something kid, who just saw his buddy take a bean bag round from a PD riot gun, in the dick, and then ignored his friend’s screams, to continue advancing, is not dedicated, and a True Believer, you’re f**king stupid.
If you think POTUS is going to magically save you? You’re dumb. Large urban areas and entire states are telling the federal government to go f**k itself on the immigration issue (and granted, the states are wrong on this one, but that doesn’t change the fact that this—as I mentioned, in detail, in Forging the Hero—is symptomatic of the collapse of the American Empire.) Things are not normal, and if you’re still stuck in your normalcy bias about “Make America Great Again,” you’re WAY behind the learning the curve.
I’ve talked with a number of friends in recent days; police officers and public services personnel, in large urban areas, across the country. None of them are taking this sh*t lightly. A fireman friend, from a major urban enclave on the east coast, that has been the scene of a number of ethnic conflicts in the last year or two, posted the following on FB recently,
“They are organized, they are violent. The cops aren’t shooting back because when some Tumblr sh*t biscuit doxxes them, their kids will be targets. Molon Labia and snowflake bluster isn’t cutting it anymore.
I’m a f**king fireman and have had body armor issued. That should say something very loudly and clearly.”
A cop friend told me, in private conversation, “Yeah, man. It’s serious. We know it can kick off at any moment. Sitting in your cruiser, at a stoplight; writing a citation, sitting at lunch. We just have to be ready to rock, all the time.”
Another cop friend, “Man, I’ve upped my off-duty EDC to three twenty-round mags for the Glock, and I keep eight loaded mags for the AR in the plate carrier behind my seat. It’s getting weird out there.”
So, if THEY get it, why don’t you, Mr. Expert Prepper/Survivalist?
https://mountainguerrilla.wordpress.com/2017/02/07/skull-stomping-sacred-cows-reality-isnt-nice-its-a-2x4-to-the-teeth/
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I am 60 and lived thru those times in the late 60s and 70s. Certainly there was substantial unrest back in those days but I believe we are at a different level today. There is a lot more organization today both here in the USA as well as around the world. In addition, today the progressives have almost total control of all of our infrastructure including schools and corporate America. They may have had some influence some decades ago, but not like today.
I agree with this. I remember being aware of the turmoil of the 60's and early 70's but, since I wasn't affiliated with any of it, I wasn't emotionally bound to any of it - I was just an observer (and occasional combatant ;'} Nowadays everything appears contrived, manufactured, and phony.
In my home town of Louisville Kentucky, we have been a sanctuary city for many years but they keep it very quiet. We have more than our share of immigrants both legal and illegal but they are never in the local news as to numbers or how they are getting here.
But staying quiet might be changing. Last night our public school board passed an ordnance making the public school system a safe zone for illegals. I suspect our city and our mayor will follow very soon. Like others around the nation, I am watching the city go to hell with more and more crime and killings.
My little town has gone hard-left in the last three years. It's like they're making up for the decades of Republicans who managed affairs previously. The mayor and most of the city council want to us to become a sanctuary city but they're afraid of losing the easy money. So they instituted a euphemistic dodge where they claim "Inclusive City" status. I guess we're on our own to try to figure out WTH that is supposed to entail!
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I'm just shy of sfetter's age, but my brother is right there (born in '57). Most of the rabble out there are no concern for me if things go sideways...the handful of dedicated lunatics ready to take on the authorities are mostly criminals anyway...and between them and the bangers looking to take advantage of the situation should the police be called out in force...well, it's only until the rest of us get involved when things get really interesting, isn't it? I mean if the left agitates all their criminal elements too hard and the sh*t breaks real hard...well, those cops and guards will be running home like us to protect them and theirs...it'll be the criminals and trapped urban zoo-mates in the meat grinder...and while that is going on the smart people will be getting to their BOL's before the grind in the cites lulls and the locusts expand out in search of new targets to vent their rage. By the time they reach us, the reception should be quite gory...and what the military does will be interesting, within their and all LEO ranks sides will be taken, orders followed or not, elites and institutions defended or not...
Probably just a coincidence I saw this today...
http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/army-preps-for-urban-warfare-in-megacities-mass-migration-disaster-and-inner-city-turmoil_02072017 (http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/army-preps-for-urban-warfare-in-megacities-mass-migration-disaster-and-inner-city-turmoil_02072017)
"Entire cities will be locked down; door to door sweeps will often have violent ends."
Yeah. Well, unless they deploy all assets to big cities or use artillery in place of no-knock entry...they'll be some cities left on their own.
And some of this happening in Brazil...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4198826/Brazilian-city-s-murder-rate-650-police-strike.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4198826/Brazilian-city-s-murder-rate-650-police-strike.html)
Either way...
I don't care if I'm 60...70...80...whatever. Not ever dropping to a knee to any of these leftist fascist a-holes. I'd rather take as many out as possible before DIAPOB!
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All that ammo I bought? It ain't gonna shoot itself!
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You have to spank it on the bottom to get it to fly off the top. :D
Aim well my friend!
Oh, and good advice our dipshyts in progtardland should take extra care to remember...but they can remember now or later...their choice!
(https://westernrifleshooters.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/bobby-chins-schools-you.jpg)
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7 months to retirement and a new start in getting the hell away from all the bung holes and get to business of needing to get off my land down to a bare minimum.
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I am 39 and it's definitely nothing I have ever seen in my lifetime. Some older people have told me that it's still nothing compared to what the radical lefties were doing in the 60s and 70s though. I don't know though, to me it seems like there is potential for this to suddenly get that bad or worse. There is a whole new element to it with social media organization. The radical left of today also has a stronger monopoly on the administrative state than they did back then. I mean look at Berkeley -- those cops were clearly under orders to not lift a finger. At least in the 60s the leftist pukes got themselves some stick-time with the police.
We have to also consider the desperation factor that is different with this current crop of bolsheviks. In the 60s and 70s they were in their "long march" mode and thought the future was theirs. They could weather setbacks. Now they're in a position of seeing that they were on the goal line and fumbled the ball, we recovered it. I think they were convinced they were almost there, almost to the point that they would secure permanent ownership of our country and culture. If we are allowed to actually advance the ball back down the field in the opposite direction, such as with immigration reform and border security, it could very well put the Left's ambitions out of reach and they know it. So they are in desperation mode right now, desperate to prevent that from happening.
There is no telling how much they are going to up the ante.
In the 60's there was nothing remotely close to a plurality of Americans who believed that socialism was a viable option for the United States, or on par with capitalism. There was also not the near universal disgust with politicians.
Add those current day realities to the already volatile mix, and comparisons to the 60s fall apart. We may not yet have witnessed the type of unrest like there was in the 60s, but the potential is far worse I think.
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https://mountainguerrilla.wordpress.com/2017/02/07/skull-stomping-sacred-cows-reality-isnt-nice-its-a-2x4-to-the-teeth/
unning-Kruger much? “Hapless morons?” These “hapless morons” are off their f**king couches, engaging in the physical violence that the Right yammered about for the last eight years, without doing f**k all. I’m not condoning it, and certainly not supporting it, but intellectual dishonesty about skill at organization, and willingness to engage in violent direct-action is going to get a whole f**kton of “prepared militias” killed dead…and there ain’t no f**king restart to this game.
Gee, why isn't the right off their f**king couches? Because we don't do amateur hour. These little thugs are trying it on for size, and in every case where they are challenged - by a little Asian guy in a library telling them to be quiet or a UPS guy walking in and stopping their flag burning, they back right down. For they most part this is spoiled brats and grade school Bullies. They are totally willing to engage in violence, till there is a chance they will get hurt. You are calling these little pussified cucks the "doers" - really? They can't replace a garbage disposal and think electricity comes form the wall.
I am sure that that type of dedication exists on the left, but I doubt it exists in the sort of numbers they would need to be effective. But say they up that ante and become organized AR-armed murder gangs... well, its not amateur hour anymore is it?
Comment on Sam’s page: ‘A blood bath.‘
My response:Yep. Because only one side has consistently displayed a willingness to get violent, right now, right here, despite the blatherings of the Right about ‘Molon Labe!’ and ‘From My Cold Dead Fingers,” etc….Talk is cheap. It will be a number of blood baths, but 99% of the victims are NOT going to be the Leftist pseudo-Anarchists that are willing to f**k sh*t up, already, without quality weapons at their disposal.
Thats because when the right gets violent we are not going to be half-assed about it. I think many of us have sat there, awake an night, unable to sleep, thinking about pulling that trigger and what the circumstances need to be to justify it. . I have had 8 years to make peace with that thought, and when I decide the time has come, there won't be any moral qualms holding me back, but a righteous willingness to kill, and to kill them all. I cannot but think there are many others like me. I think its fool hardy to think everyone on the right is unwilling to fight because tey haven't fought yet. It just takes time to come to grips with the failure of the rule of law.. and even when it fails, it seldom fails completely. Shots will be fired when it fails locally and temporarily- and then the temporariness becomes permanent.
The whole event will be a blood bath - for both sides. There are sill something like 20% of conservatives in the cities. Most of them are gonna end up dead. {Past performance is no guarantee of future results,as they say.
My response: So, they’re smarter than you? Because, I can tell you what…fair fights? “Standup fights?” are a sucker’s bet. I decide to go hunting bad people, I’m going to be rolling up to their back door at 0430, while they’re sound asleep, and lighting their house on fire, while they’re still asleep inside. I’m only gonna stick around long enough to make sure nobody gets out before the house the engulfed. I’m into winning, not playing macho games.
Which is why this is going to be about sabotage and city vs country. Got roving gangs ? Snipe them from 500 Yards and run away. I am too old for macho sh*t. Practice for hunting and practice for sniping look a lot alike.
This is an actual civil war, as in a conflict between ideologically-opposed factions within the civilian and political population of a country. Like real civil wars, it is not going to be pretty. It’s not going to be armies, in pretty uniforms, fighting pitched, conventional battles. It’s going to be a matter of assassination, sabotage, hit-and-run raids, targeting ideological leadership figures, enemy families, etc.
As Matt Bracken pointed out in a recent Facebook post himself, we’re looking at more of a Balkans and/or Argentine “Dirty War” conflict. People just haven’t accepted that, because it doesn’t fit their mental images of what “war,” even “guerrilla war” looks like.
Well yeah. What the hell do you think has been keeping me up at night, as I contemplate potentially having to kill or orphan children?
I understand it, and I don't like it. I also know what will have to be done and have resigned myself to doing it. Looking for fights? No. I am confident that enough fights will come looking for me. But I would rather die fighting against it than live in the world the leftists would impose .. so there isn't a lot a choice here. But really who will the left choose as targets? Rich neighborhoods in the cities no doubt - the flashy kind that people who want others to know they are rich live in... I will let you guess the typical politics of the people in those houses. The left getting organized enough to bus people out to little towns to have a riot? Burn crops? Kill livestock? Raid individual farmhouses? Yeah I don't see it. And the first town they did it to would tell 50 more like it what was needed in their own defense. They would kill the jackasses from 8 roof tops and 14 trees 400 yards away as they left the bus -that is if an IED didn't get the whole bus. What then - the left using armored transports? Trump and the police aren't going to hand those over.
There’s a very real problem with that though, and it’s called underestimating your enemy. If you don’t believe that a dude who is out, in wintertime, in a protest/riot, and eating some riot cops baton, as he receives a solid washing with “hickory shampoo,” is not a dedicated True Believer, you’re deluding yourself. If you think that some twenty-something kid, who just saw his buddy take a bean bag round from a PD riot gun, in the dick, and then ignored his friend’s screams, to continue advancing, is not dedicated, and a True Believer, you’re f**king stupid.
Yeah, I expect that kid, being liberal never cared about his buddy anyway ( another tactical advantage we have by the way - they really aren't fighting for anything other than the right to make you bake a cake or genuflect to their language. Very inspiring.) 90% of it is virtue signaling to get chicks and that only works when you aren't dead and your pecker still works. The question really is, after he has had his little shampoo, is he willing to do it again. My bet is no. He got his bragging/virtue signaling rights in the battle of Berkley where the cops were told to stand down -- no need to fight again.
The ones that do it again- the ones who are willing to get shot dead - those are the dedicated ones, and I don't think we have seen that adequately tested
If you think POTUS is going to magically save you? You’re dumb. Large urban areas and entire states are telling the federal government to go f**k itself on the immigration issue (and granted, the states are wrong on this one, but that doesn’t change the fact that this—as I mentioned, in detail, in Forging the Hero—is symptomatic of the collapse of the American Empire.) Things are not normal, and if you’re still stuck in your normalcy bias about “Make America Great Again,” you’re WAY behind the learning the curve.
Does anyone here actually think Trump will save us or stop this? At best he buys us time, and puts the enemy into the position where they have to be the rebels. But we have already discussed that extra time may be working against us...
“They are organized, they are violent. The cops aren’t shooting back because when some Tumblr sh*t biscuit doxxes them, their kids will be targets. Molon Labia and snowflake bluster isn’t cutting it anymore.
I’m a f**king fireman and have had body armor issued. That should say something very loudly and clearly.”
Yeah, that law and order is already over and the collapse into tribal warfare will come to the cities first - this will help them train good fighters (in an urban environment - which won't necessarily translate) which we may eventually face, but in the meantime, its causing dwindling numbers and issues within the cities. 20% dead in the cities would pretty much ensure no more liberal victories at the polls.
It also means the cops will be spending more time training and organizing the people the need in their own areas, and leaving the ghettos on their own.
This is about people burning down their neighbors’ houses and businesses, to run them out of town, over ideological differences. Look at the Balkans in the early 1990s.
This is about a group from one side, murdering the entire family—Dad, Mom, Brother, and baby Sister—of their neighbors, over political differences.
There’s nothing pretty or heroic about it. It’s about pragmatism. It’s not about dying for anybody or anything. It’s about changing the dynamic of the battlespace, so none of your people die…or at least, as few as possible.
Why does he think we don't understand this. Why do you think we got our lists man?
You think anybody in mainstream America—the undecided majority in the current conflict—remembers Finicum? Go up to some random stranger, in the supermarket and ask. I got good money that says, 99 out of 100 are going to say, “Who’s she?”
And? History is always made by interested minorities. If we get our 3% participation, I am happy. the others? They are all going to hunker down and pretend it has nothing to do with them. Those are the people who are going to lie down on their beds and just never get up again
Stand-up fights don’t make differences in this type of conflict, because the other side isn’t interested in them. Quit focusing on some macho, redneck John Wayne image of conflict, and focus on doing what works. Right now? That still means organizing, because, while it’s not “tacticool,” it’s way more important than running around in the goddamned woods in cammie jammies. That means, instead of worrying about running raids and ambushes, you should be focused on gathering intelligence information about the opposition’s leadership cadres in your local area, so you can set about changing their mindset, by focusing your PSYOP activities on a specific target audience (them).
What sort of psyop would you do? Changing their mindset? Have you actually interacted with these people? Its questionable if they have minds of their own. They just repeat what the herd says because then the herd accepts them. They don't understand a word of it, and they don't care if it make sense if they do. The only way to change a liberal's mind is blunt trauma.
I can train a f**king monkey to run an AR or an AK in three days. Give me ten days, and I can bring a complete novice to a near-expert level of proficiency with the gun. That’s f**king easy. The hard part? Convincing somebody to actually use it. Convincing someone that they actually need to overcome the culturally conditioned aversion to interpersonal violence that Americans have been spoonfed for the last sixty years, is far more challenging than teaching someone the mechanics of gunfighting. Guess which side has already overcome that cultural conditioning? I’ll give you two hints: first, it’s not the guys typing away on FB about how they’re gonna “slaughter” Leftists, as soon as they get permission from their Mommy. Second, it’s the people that are already cracking complete strangers in the head with bricks, then putting the boots to the unconscious victims, before throwing a Molotov Cocktail through their car window.
When they know the riot police have been told to let them. Seriously these leftists haven't run into any real opposition yet- at least none likely to get them killed. Are they willing to do violence? Sure. Are tey willing to die for their temper tantrum? I am not so sure. He can train them in 3 days, but they have to be so sure that we are Nazis that they are willing to kill - not just beat people. They have to be willing to take the same risk of being doxxed as the police. Masks won't help them when we follow one home and torture him till he rats on his buddies.
I said above, we have had 8 years to think about it, and when we finally go out to do it, its not going to be about using Bricks or boots. Its not going to be about scaring or terrorizing people ( which is what the left is attempting to do) and it certainly won't be about signaling our virtue to others.. I don't think anyone has confused what we need to do with being virtuous. All we can claim is a desire of a virtuous end from the evil we will be needed to perform. No, it will be about killing them. Plain and simple. No reprieve. No justification. This. Ends. Now.
The Left has won far more dirty civil wars and insurgent conflicts than the Right has won. There are a host of reasons for this, but most notable is the aversion, on the Right, to give up the security of law-and-order. As long as there is a politician telling them, “Now, now, let’s all keep calm. Let the authorities sort this out,” the Right is content to sit at home and bitch about those juvenile delinquents. The Left? They’re all, “f**k THE MAN! LET’S MAKE IT BURN!” As long as there is a police officer in uniform…even if he is, like so many are currently, telling people, “Hey, we’re probably gonna be busy with other catastrophes when your personal catastrophe happens, so you’re on your own….” as long as he is on the job, the Right is going to say, “Meh, we’ll let the police do their job.” The Left? They’re going, “f**k THE MAN! KILL THE PIGS!”
And we have that long list of conflicts the "right" has lost ...oh wait. We just don't do this sh*t lightly do we?
I know perfectly well the cops will be home protecting their own families, with their own little militias. But as long as they are doing it in the cities, who cares? That is helping me. If you are conservative and you are still in a city - God help you. When the going gets tough, the tough get going. The smart left a long time ago.
You want to be saved, you’d better be looking around and building what SF once upon a time called “CIDG,” or “Civilian Irregular Defense Groups,” among your neighbors and friends and families….you know…your tribe: the people in your local community that share your values and traditions
Most Small towns in rural areas already have this. Everyone already knows everyone. The police themselves will organize it. The Sheriffs in Rural counties will probably co-ordinate larger groups. And those libtards? Yeah, we are watching , one wrong move and you are ridden out of town on a rail. But I expect most are clue-less moronic Democrats who vote democrat because daddy voted Democrat , and once the virtue signaling is seen as outing them - as a detrimental thing, you will see them change their public tune. They were just going along to get along wit PC culture and they will do the same with ours.
You want to know how a Dirty War is fought, even on defense? With pistols, in urban areas. Guess what? I know a dude teaching a Clandestine Carry Pistol class in a couple weeks, in Arizona! He’s doing a CQB class the following weekend! If you live in motherf**king Arizona….with the cartels running sh*t through your neighborhoods every…single…f**king…day….and you’re not already keyed in on this sh*t? You’re too f**king stupid to save. So, why is it that my wife is telling me that we’re gonna have to cancel these classes, because there’s not been enough people interested in taking them? Because nobody wants to face the ugly reality, that it’s already started. It’s easier to sit on your computer, order multicam gear off Amazon.com, and talk sh*t about “open season on libtards!” than it is to face the task of somebody maybe telling you that you don’t know what the f**k you’re doing, after all, by bucking up and taking a class on sh*t that is actually relevant to you.
SO you want me to pay you money, to take a class on urban warfare with pistols , when 80% of my enemy is in the city, which I could just lay siege to? Where do these cities in Arizona get their water from? Hey maybe you should cut that off and see how it affects the cartel traffic? Besides, aren't they selling this drug sh*t to the enemy? I mean, isn't an enemy who is drug addicted , addle brained and generally unhealthy a good thing? Hell, can I make sure to somehow get them some infected needles as well? How about some sh*t laced with poison? For a guy who talks big on tactics, there is an opportunity for infiltration sitting right in front of you.
READ THE f**kING BOOKS! Yeah, they’re expensive. As someone pointed out, not long ago, they’re a f**king post-grad course in “how to be The Most Dangerous Man You Know.”Yes, I just pimped my own classes and books. Get over it. They’re that important, and that valuable.
Yeah, I noticed. Dude, I am old. I am never going to be the "Most Dangerous Man I know" - but I do make it a point to know such men. I am never going to be infiltrating some leftist-anarcho group and trying to change thier mindset, and I am not driving my car into gangland looking to go bad guy hunting with my pistol. I will be organizing the like minded people like me - who by the way are not ready to train, and won't really be until this gets worse. They are willing to stock ammo, go to the range for 300-500 years practice , and listen to me trying to get them ready to pull that trigger when we need them to. So we do what we can out here in real life. . We aren't all 20 something green beret wanna-bes and we know our limits, and if that limit ends up being able to protect my little dirt road, then so be it. If it is just being able to provide food to the men who are protecting my little road, that is fine too. Logistics are no small feat - so if you can't fight, but you provide grub and a roof to fighters who need one, then that is what you can do. If you can reload brass and hand it out, then that is what you can do. If you can provide intelligence or accomplish sabotage, then that is what you can do. Its not all fire fights with pistols, even if that is what you happen to teach.
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Yeah, these guys who enjoy calling out keyboard commandos and Internet badasses are, in an ironic sense, guilty of ostentatious bravado in their own right.
I get tired of this "Yeah? Well those Leftists are actually out there in the streets, doing sh*t in meatspace while all the Molon Labe couch commandos peck at their keyboards!" crap. There's a variety of reasons the Right isn't doing that, from morality to simply being too preoccupied with earning a living and keeping the lights on for their families, but the big one that these guys fail to acknowledge is that everyone on the Right knows the very second we did a fraction of what happened in Berkeley, suddenly all the resources of the police and the State would find cause for action. The Left has a green light to do this sort of thing, and they know it.
Does that mean the Right is just going to slink away and submit? On the contrary. It means the anger is going to continue to build without any way of releasing the pressure, until it suddenly erupts uncontrollably and the Left starts getting back what they've been dishing out -- a hundred fold.
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"The only way to change a liberal's mind is blunt trauma." - Weisshaupt
Yeah, and if it is still moving or making sounds, repeat blunt trauma!
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Great discussion gentlemen, and as always thoughtful insight. I feel as most do here and I believe that things are worse than we are hearing. While I believe that there is a strong organization behind this decent, like many others I am not sure that these people understand what will happen to them when they really awaken that sleeping giant known as liberty and freedom.
One thing I am completely convinced of is that the only way to save this country and our constitution is that the left and progressives have to be put down hard! Whether this happens in my life time or beyond I and saddened to say that I hope it does happen for the sake of all mankind both here and around the world. We are the last place on earth with some degree of true liberty and freedom which is why powers both here and around the world want to destroy us so much. If lost here, mankind will be facing hundreds of years or more of tyranny.
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"There was also not the near universal disgust with politicians."
There still isn't much of that, there is still so much trust given to politicians of both parties. It's only disgust with the other parties politicians for the most part.
There is still very little disgust with ones own party, though some Republicans will be critical of their own sometimes. But that is very rare among Democrats. As soon as someone is critical from the other party, the walls go up and defense is played, even if the politician is a known crook. Our crook is still better then your crook........
For example: Liberal friend defends Hillary, her words " I don't give a crap what she may have done". In her eyes Trump is so bad we can ignore every crime Hillary has done. Yes, really.
Frankly, I think we need much more universal disgust with politicians. We will be a much healthier society is we can break the party labels off crooks and stupid people. That's how we are divided today by the two major parties. If we can call out crooks no matter who they are, things would be better. If she would call out crooks like Hillary, we would have never had to deal with Trump.
Liberals created Trump as much as Republicans did.
I don't see it changing until politicians start getting killed more often. They do it because they know they are generally safe from being assassinated. That would change quickly if that ends, and its likely it will at some point. People can only be pushed so far.
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Many still talk about one party vs the other. I do not think we have a two party system any longer. It is all a big farce to fool the American people into thinking there are still two parties. Regardless of the side of the isle, all that polititans are interested in is power and money and making sure their families are taken care of. Their actions have proved this time and time again.
If there were any true patriots in Washington who believed in the constitution and the good of the people, they would have impeached the last president early in his term. I trust none of them whether at the national, state, or local level.
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20% dead in the cities would pretty much ensure no more liberal victories at the polls.
Weisshaupt, I disagree. Surely you know dead votes count in urban areas.
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As a soon to be 61 year old, who lived in a suburb of Detriot during the late 60's rioting, i'll tell you the difference. We lived in Dearborn, Michigan, well before it became the muslim capital of America. There was a main road, Telegraph Road, and during the riots you were stopped on the street and if your ass didn't belong you were turned away. I was a kid but I seem to remember sandbag blockades and plenty of police. Maybe someone can verify my memory.
Never happen today.
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(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c341/weisshaupt/1jd8or_zpsoin46pmv.jpg)
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::hysterical::
Stop giving me ideas!
::laughonfloor::
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Real men of genius!
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More sightings here -
Young National Obama's Club at UCF - "Kill Trump!" (http://iotwreport.com/university-of-central-florida-socialist-club-tells-kids-to-kill-trump/)
No Limit herself promoting terrorists just miles from where it was evicted. (http://iotwreport.com/sperry-obama-organizing-violent-anti-trump-protesters-just-miles-from-white-house/)
Dumb slut Katy Perry's "Let's Riot!" anthem. (http://www.weaselzippers.us/324448-new-katy-perry-song-gets-political-urges-uprising-against-trump/)
Laura Ingraham - Leftists promoting unrest "to bring this powder keg moment" (http://iotwreport.com/laura-ingraham-left-pushing-protests-in-hopes-of-a-powder-keg-moment/)...so, am I supposed to GAFF about that? ::whatgives::
Seriously, what's in it for me if the same old same old continues and everybody drops to their knees before progs time and time again? ::saywhat::
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More food for thought, grist for the mill, sausage for the casings...
It's Kristallnacht 2017. This is existential warfare. It has just begun. Do not waver. (http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/02/the_second_civil_war_is_coming.html)
House Divided - Again, because - No one gravitates to the Left in order to let others live their lives as they see fit. The beating heart of Totalism in all its forms is power and control over others. This is the raison d'etre of the entire American Left. (http://senseofevents.blogspot.com/2017/02/america-is-house-divided-and-it-cannot.html?m=1)
The "Othering" of enemies has exploded out of the Left, the Left has become the very fascists they warned people about, and has history shows the "Othering" leads to extermination. (http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2017/02/hate-machine-how-liberals-became-very.html?m=1)
Do not go quietly.
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More food for thought, grist for the mill, sausage for the casings...
It's Kristallnacht 2017. This is existential warfare. It has just begun. Do not waver. (http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/02/the_second_civil_war_is_coming.html)
House Divided - Again, because - No one gravitates to the Left in order to let others live their lives as they see fit. The beating heart of Totalism in all its forms is power and control over others. This is the raison d'etre of the entire American Left. (http://senseofevents.blogspot.com/2017/02/america-is-house-divided-and-it-cannot.html?m=1)
The "Othering" of enemies has exploded out of the Left, the Left has become the very fascists they warned people about, and has history shows the "Othering" leads to extermination. (http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2017/02/hate-machine-how-liberals-became-very.html?m=1)
Do not go quietly.
I could not agree more. Here is another one for you.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/tucker-carlson-faces-off-with-guest-who-calls-milo-yiannopoulos-a-fascist/ (http://www.mediaite.com/online/tucker-carlson-faces-off-with-guest-who-calls-milo-yiannopoulos-a-fascist/)
This woman on Tucker's show needs a bullet in the head. I believe things are far worse than most people know. They are laying the groundwork to Stop Trump at every turn. And I believe much of the administration is quietly helping. I have been doing some reading and the buildup to all of this boiling over is alarming. The one common thread I have read from many many people is that - We are in uncharted waters. Never in the history of this country have we seen conditions like this. I don't know if having a non-politician in the white house is better or worse. Only time will tell.
I find it hard these days to find the words to express my despair.
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More food for thought, grist for the mill, sausage for the casings...
It's Kristallnacht 2017. This is existential warfare. It has just begun. Do not waver. (http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/02/the_second_civil_war_is_coming.html)
House Divided - Again, because - No one gravitates to the Left in order to let others live their lives as they see fit. The beating heart of Totalism in all its forms is power and control over others. This is the raison d'etre of the entire American Left. (http://senseofevents.blogspot.com/2017/02/america-is-house-divided-and-it-cannot.html?m=1)
The "Othering" of enemies has exploded out of the Left, the Left has become the very fascists they warned people about, and has history shows the "Othering" leads to extermination. (http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2017/02/hate-machine-how-liberals-became-very.html?m=1)
Do not go quietly.
I could not agree more. Here is another one for you.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/tucker-carlson-faces-off-with-guest-who-calls-milo-yiannopoulos-a-fascist/ (http://www.mediaite.com/online/tucker-carlson-faces-off-with-guest-who-calls-milo-yiannopoulos-a-fascist/)
This woman on Tucker's show needs a bullet in the head. I believe things are far worse than most people know. They are laying the groundwork to Stop Trump at every turn. And I believe much of the administration is quietly helping. I have been doing some reading and the buildup to all of this boiling over is alarming. The one common thread I have read from many many people is that - We are in uncharted waters. Never in the history of this country have we seen conditions like this. I don't know if having a non-politician in the white house is better or worse. Only time will tell.
I find it hard these days to find the words to express my despair.
"She said that Yiannopoulos is trying to whip up a lynch mob of people that then goes out and attacks women, immigrants, minorities, and others. And she doesn’t believe he should be allowed to speak and recruit others to that cause."
Hitler - forbade free speech, burned books deemed seditious and un-Aryan, actually participated in riots with his Brownshirts and successfully ran in a democratic process, was elected and proceeded to commit mass genocide on Jews, Slavs, Gypsies, Homosexuals and other non-Aryan's deemed a threat to public safety. So sure, sour-tits, go down that fascist route and try to label others as a fascist, and let me know how that works out for ya.
See ya on the battlespace! ::hat-tip::
Good luck finding your safe-space! ::laughonfloor::
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They are laying the groundwork to Stop Trump at every turn. And I believe much of the administration is quietly helping.
That's the part the REALLY pisses me off. If you can't get with the program, GTFO. ::pullhair::
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-15/he-will-die-jail-intelligence-community-ready-go-nuclear-trump (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-15/he-will-die-jail-intelligence-community-ready-go-nuclear-trump)
Tweet ... (https://twitter.com/intent/retweet?tweet_id=831872441597194241)
"John Schindler @20committee
Now we go nuclear. IC war going to new levels. Just got an EM fm senior IC friend, it began: "He will die in jail."twitter.com/JWal077/status…"
IC = Intelligence Community
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-15/he-will-die-jail-intelligence-community-ready-go-nuclear-trump (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-15/he-will-die-jail-intelligence-community-ready-go-nuclear-trump)
Tweet ... (https://twitter.com/intent/retweet?tweet_id=831872441597194241)
"John Schindler @20committee
Now we go nuclear. IC war going to new levels. Just got an EM fm senior IC friend, it began: "He will die in jail."twitter.com/JWal077/status…"
IC = Intelligence Community
http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php?topic=15042.msg161287#msg161287 (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php?topic=15042.msg161287#msg161287)
Bring it!
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Guys, I can't believe how things have developed just since I started this thread. It has become clear that elements both within the gov as well as the shadow gov forming under Obama are going to convince (with no evidence) enough people along with congress that Trump has a connection to Russia and they will use that to impeach him as well as throw out all administration people they do not want.
I just pray that Trump can stop them. Frankly, it looks pretty doubtful as to whether he can. They have shown that they will stop at nothing to take back control. I am not sure that Trump should not adopt that attitude in stopping them. I'm just not sure how you can determine who you could trust to stand along side you in the effort with so much of the gov being traitors. I wonder how many of the people he interacts with every day are trying to take him down behind his back.
I really felt like divine intervention played a major role in the outcome of this election. We sure could use a little more of that in the days and weeks ahead in pushing back this evil.
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Guys, I can't believe how things have developed just since I started this thread. It has become clear that elements both within the gov as well as the shadow gov forming under Obama are going to convince (with no evidence) enough people along with congress that Trump has a connection to Russia and they will use that to impeach him as well as throw out all administration people they do not want.
Yeah, and that will almost certainly start a war as it will be seen as a violet coup by most Americans. The eGOP will be in on it was well, so they will reap the whilrwind just like the Dems. My Wife is very concerned the Deep State has larger plans than simply removing Trump however--she thinks they are trying to get us pushed into an all out war with Russia in order to "save the dollar" or simply hide the effects of the collapse. I think there is some merit to this, as that is what Western Powers did the last two times they were in major economic distress.. My son is 15. That means he could potentially be drafted into such an action.. and she wants to send him elsewhere overseas... I don't see the point. My son isn't going to to fight in such a war --and if I have to kill the draft board and any soldiers coming to get him on my way out, that is fine with me.
Between the left being totally pacificist and the right refusing to fight, it might be a very short war. One in which liberal cities are nuked ala Titor. Putin has been out there playing the rational guy in the room, and given how Obama as snubbed our allies, and our allies are already being overrun by Muslim forces, I think the US would find itself very alone is such a fight if it started.
For all I know Trump really was working with the Russians to get into office- so what if he were? Clinton was exposing state secrets and 100% in bed with the Chinese and that didn't bother liberals one bit. And did you see here tweet trolling Trump with Pizzagate references? That was announcing some victory of some kind that will prevent that information from surfacing. They probably killed someone. But if those were our choices, between a proxy for Chinese control and a proxy for Russian control, then I'll take the Siberian Candidate for $1000 Alex.
We have a war going on within the deep state right now, and we are just watching blasts come to the surface from two subs in battle. We have no idea what is really going on below the surface here, nor who is in the better tactical position. I have no illusions about Putin. He is a thug. But the CIA and KGB were pretty cozy at one point, and perhaps now those connections are the only thing stopping the leftist deep state from simply rolling over us. I do think that Putin has more sympathies with Western Culture, I think he really does love Russia and is trying to do what is in Russia's best interests, and as such is dictatorship while not benign, probably isn't motivated entirely by personal and selfish motivations either. I certainly see my own government as more of a threat to the safety of me and my family than I do Putin's government.
There is a civil war in the United States that starts in 2005. That conflict flares up and down for 10 years. In 2015, Russia launches a nuclear strike against the major cities in the United States (which is the "other side" of the civil war from my perspective), China and Europe. The United States counter attacks. The US cities are destroyed along with the AFE (American Federal Empire)...thus we (in the country) won. The European Union and China were also destroyed. Russia is now our largest trading partner and the Capitol of the US was moved to Omaha Nebraska..... . - John Titor
Again, I don't present John Titor as some sort of truth, but as an interesting thought experiment. I often find it useful to posit some scenario and just investigate where it is true and where it is false. I find this exercise often leads you to realizations about a given situation that you would not otherwise have. I think Horoscopes, Te Ching, and other sooth-saying techniques and the like are an example of this- they may predict things that aren't true, but in asking if that situation is true, you end up understanding the real situation better.
So, in that light, I offer the following essay to ponder:
https://temporalrecon.wordpress.com/2014/03/06/checkmate/ (https://temporalrecon.wordpress.com/2014/03/06/checkmate/)
The point remains that public support for military action has been a very large component to legitimately enter a military conflict. Woodrow Wilson knew it, Teddy Roosevelt knew it, FDR knew it, Johnson knew it, Bush knew it and as it would appear, our friend John knew it.
To reiterate, we are speaking about the typical and historical profile for a country at war; that a government can and may go to war only with the consent of the citizens of that nation. We are not talking about indiscriminate military “police actions” or operations “other than war” that have become the norm of world affairs and American foreign policy in recent decades....
o, if the will to wage war by a national government is derived from its citizens, then the primary aim of any adversary would be to break the will of that population to continue making war. Once the support of the people is lost or broken to continue, political support also evaporates and the adversary wins. This is an example of strategic thinking to win a war.
The important take-away from the above is that, in the adversary’s eyes, the national government and the citizenry are considered one entity. Destroying the civilian’s will to fight (through either bombs or propaganda) simultaneously destroys the national government’s ability to fight. This truism has been acknowledged throughout all of human history. Only in recent decades has it become “fashionable” to restrict warfare to actual soldiers (terrorists notwithstanding) of the opposing nation, and only in the eyes of the western world.....n light of the recent military invasion and occupation by Russia of the Ukraine, I was reminded of a statement made by our friend, John. Specifically he said:
I want to add a twist to your thinking. Russia’s enemy in the United States is not you, the average person. Russia’s enemy is the United States government.
John Titor – Feb 8th, 2001
I find this statement quite intriguing. In Titor’s story, and as represented in the above quote, Titor departed from the accepted concept of warfare and explicitly stated that Russia’s target was the American government and not the people of the United States. At the risk of being accused of logical contortions, it would appear that Titor is stating that the Russian leadership perceived his enemy (the US Government) as completely separate from the citizenry of the United States. Why would Russia’s strategy against their enemy change and run completely counter to all of human history? Why was Russia’s adversary (the American Government) specifically divorced from the population that supposedly supports it?
What Titor appears to be saying is that the Russian leader drew a distinction between the American government and the average American citizen. Doesn’t literally all of human warfare argue in the opposite?
Is it possible that the Russian leader of Titor’s story believed that a schism existed between the American public and their government; a gulf so wide that it would be counter-productive to treat them as one entity? Is it possible that the Russian leader knew that the American people did not support their government or its actions and might actually support just such an attack?
This line of thinking eerily parallels the Bush administration’s own expectations at the liberation of Iraq from Saddam Hussein’s dictatorship in 2003. Many within the administration fully expected (and were immediately proven correct) that the Iraqi people would welcome American troops as the French welcomed the Allies when France was liberated in 1945, irrespective of the fact that their welcome quickly evaporated with the power vacuum that was immediately created.
This statement is not meant to pass judgment on the “rightness” or “wrongness” of the assumption, but only to highlight the very real strategic variables that any invading aggressor must account for: the reaction to the invasion by the local population. The Bush Jr. administration accounted for it in the invasion of Iraq, the Bush Sr. administration accounted for it in its liberation of Kuwait from Iraqi aggression, Putin has accounted for it in invading the predominantly Russian enclave of the Crimea and it appears Putin will account for it again when the time comes to account for the American reaction to a similar attack on their own country.
Conviction of a Time Traveler sufficiently identified the times we are living in now as the times Titor spoke about in 2000. Because of that, we can now identify the Russian leader of Titor’s story as Vladimir Putin. From there we can see that Titor indirectly indicated Putin’s own current perception of the American government’s actions and the fact that those actions did not reflect the wishes of the American people. Otherwise, Putin would also have attacked civilian targets as legitimate military objectives.
To restate, Titor’s statement:
The “enemy” that was attacked by Russia in the U.S. was the forces of the government you live under right now.
John Titor – Feb 8th, 2001
hightlights the fact that Russia’s leadership (now known to be Vladimir Putin) believes the Government of the United States as separate and not representing the interests or wishes of the American people. Otherwise, if Putin DID believe that the American people supported the current military adventurism exhibited by American actions on the world stage, civilian targets would be considered legitimate military targets for any impending (and eventual) attack by Russia’s military. But according to Titor, they were not.
We can also infer a potential corollary to Putin’s outlook on the schism that he perceives to exist between the American people and their government.
Is it possible that, by directing his once and future attack on the American government, he is setting the stage to win the hearts and minds of everyday Americans after the decapitation of the American government is effected? If Titor’s words are to be studied at all, it would appear that Titor actually held the Russian attack in some measure of esteem wherein he actually appreciated the attack! Titor even went so far as to describe the post-attack economic state between Russia and the New United States as quite robust:
Russia is now our largest trading partner and the Capitol of the US was moved to Omaha Nebraska.
-John Titor, November 7, 2000
Is this statement also a future indication that Putin’s gambit to win the propaganda war will work? And, if we care to extrapolate even further, since international trade is a prime role for any national government, we can also infer that the new national government instituted post-attack is actually friendly with their former ally/adversary. How could this be if not for a complete “reboot” of the American government so as to be more in line with its citizens wishes and desires?
To play chess competently, one needs to think both tactically and strategically and some of the world’s most renown chess masters have been Russian. Can the scenario above support the contention that Putin is playing (and winning) the chess game that is geopolitics? Should we welcome just such a win?
So in the larger geo-political game we see unfolding - is this scenario plausible? Is it consistent with the speeches Putin has made and the relative positionof the Russian Government and military?
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/722203/US-Russia-Putin-WW3-nuclear-war-vladimir-putin (http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/722203/US-Russia-Putin-WW3-nuclear-war-vladimir-putin)
Ok lookie:
He said: “So here we are today and they’ve placed their missile defence system in Romania always saying ‘we must protect ourselves from the Iranian nuclear threat’.
“Where’s the threat? There is no Iranian nuclear threat. You even have an agreement with them and the US was the instigator of this agreement, where we helped. We supported it. But if not for the US then this agreement would not exist which I consider President Obama’s achievement. “I agree with the agreement, because it eased tensions in the area. So President Obama can put this in his list of achievements. So the Iranian threat does not exist.
“But the missile defence systems are continuing to be positioned. That means we were right when we said that they are lying to us. Their reasons were not genuine, in reference to the ‘Iranian nuclear threat’. Once again, they lied to us.
“So they built this system and now they are being loaded with missiles.”
And we all know now that the Iran Agreement was really an agreement to give Iran Nukes. Put yourself in Putin's shoes.
http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/09/07/the-kremlin-really-believes-that-hillary-clinton-will-start-a-war-with-russia-donald-trump-vladimir-putin/ (http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/09/07/the-kremlin-really-believes-that-hillary-clinton-will-start-a-war-with-russia-donald-trump-vladimir-putin/)
Let’s not mince words: Moscow perceives the former secretary of state as an existential threat. The Russian foreign-policy experts I consulted did not harbor even grudging respect for Clinton. The most damaging chapter of her tenure was the NATO intervention in Libya, which Russia could have prevented with its veto in the U.N. Security Council. Moscow allowed the mission to go forward only because Clinton had promised that a no-fly zone would not be used as cover for regime change.
Russia’s leaders were understandably furious when, not only was former Libyan President Muammar al-Qaddafi ousted, but a cellphone recording of his last moments showed U.S.-backed rebels sodomizing him with a bayonet. They were even more enraged by Clinton’s videotaped response to the same news: “We came, we saw, he died,” the secretary of state quipped before bursting into laughter, cementing her reputation in Moscow as a duplicitous warmonger.
As a candidate, Clinton has given Moscow déjà vu by once again demanding a humanitarian no-fly zone in the Middle East — this time in Syria. Russian analysts universally believe that this is another pretext for regime change. Putin is determined to prevent Syrian President Bashar al-Assad from meeting the same fate as Qaddafi — which is why he has deployed Russia’s air force, navy, and special operations forces to eliminate the anti-Assad insurgents, many of whom have received U.S. training and equipment.
Given the ongoing Russian operations, a “no-fly zone” is a polite euphemism for shooting down Russia’s planes unless it agrees to ground them. Clinton is aware of this fact. When asked in a debate whether she would shoot down Russian planes, she responded, “I do not think it would come to that.” In other words, if she backs Putin into a corner, she is confident he will flinch before the United States starts a shooting war with Russia.
That is a dubious assumption; the stakes are much higher for Moscow than they are for the White House. Syria has long been Russia’s strongest ally in the Middle East, hosting its only military installation outside the former Soviet Union. As relations with Turkey fray, the naval garrison at Tartus is of more strategic value than ever, because it enables Russia’s Black Sea Fleet to operate in the Mediterranean without transiting the Turkish Straits.
Two weeks ago, Putin redoubled his commitment to Syria by conducting airstrikes with strategic bombers from a base in northwest Iran — a privilege for which Russia paid significant diplomatic capital. Having come this far, there is no conceivable scenario in which Moscow rolls over and allows anti-Assad forces to take Damascus — which it views as Washington’s ultimate goal, based in part on publicly accessible intelligence reports.
Clinton has justified her threatened attack on Russia’s air force, saying that it “gives us some leverage in our conversations with Russia.” This sounds suspiciously like the “madman theory” of deterrence subscribed to by former President Richard Nixon, who tried to maximize his leverage by convincing the Soviets he was crazy enough to start a world war. Nixon’s bluff was a failure; even when he invaded Cambodia, Moscow never questioned his sanity. Today, Russian analysts do not retain the same confidence in Hillary Clinton’s soundness of mind.
Her temper became legendary in Moscow when she breached diplomatic protocol by storming out of a meeting with Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov just moments after exchanging pleasantries. And the perception that she is unstable was exacerbated by reports that Clinton drank heavily while acting as America’s top diplomat — accusations that carry special weight in a country that faults alcoholism for many of Boris Yeltsin’s failures.
How is that "reset" button working out?
Another factor that disturbs Russian analysts is the fact that, unlike prior hawks such as John McCain, Clinton is a Democrat. This has allowed her to mute the West’s normal anti-interventionist voices, even as Iraq-war architect Robert Kagan boasts that Clinton will pursue a neocon foreign policy by another name. Currently, the only voice for rapprochement with Russia is Clinton’s opponent, Donald Trump. If she vanquishes him, she will have a free hand to take the aggressive action against Russia that Republican hawks have traditionally favored.
Moscow prefers Trump not because it sees him as easily manipulated, but because his “America First” agenda coincides with its view of international relations. Russia seeks a return to classical international law, in which states negotiate with one another based on mutually understood self-interests untainted by ideology. To Moscow, only the predictability of realpolitik can provide the coherence and stability necessary for a durable peace.
For example, the situation on the ground demonstrates that Crimea has, in fact, become part of Russia. Offering to officially recognize that fact is the most powerful bargaining chip the next president can play in future negotiations with Russia. Yet Clinton has castigated Trump for so much as putting the option on the table. For ideological reasons, she prefers to pretend that Crimea will someday be returned to Ukraine — even as Moscow builds a $4 billion bridge connecting the peninsula to the Russian mainland.
Moscow believes that Crimea and other major points of bipolar tension will evaporate if America simply elects a leader who will pursue the nation’s best interest, from supporting Assad against the Islamic State to shrinking NATO by ejecting free riders. Russia respects Trump for taking these realist positions on his own initiative, even though they were not politically expedient.
In Clinton, it sees the polar opposite — a progressive ideologue who will stubbornly adhere to moral postures regardless of their consequences. Clinton also has financial ties to George Soros, whose Open Society Foundations are considered the foremost threat to Russia’s internal stability, based on their alleged involvement in Eastern Europe’s prior “Color Revolutions.”
Russia’s security apparatus is certain that Soros aspires to overthrow Putin’s government using the same methods that felled President Viktor Yanukovych in Ukraine: covertly orchestrated mass protests concealing armed provocateurs. The Kremlin’s only question is whether Clinton is reckless enough to back those plans.
Putin condemned the United States for flirting with such an operation in 2011, when then-Secretary Clinton spoke out in favor of mass protests against his party’s victory in parliamentary elections. Her recent explosive rhetoric has given him no reason to believe that she has abandoned the dream of a Maidan on Red Square.
That fear was heightened when Clinton surrogate Harry Reid, the Senate minority leader, recently accused Putin of attempting to rig the U.S. election through cyberattacks. That is a grave allegation — the very kind of thing a President Clinton might repeat to justify war with Russia.
Well lets see what Russian Propaganda site SUptnik News wants people to beleive:
https://sputniknews.com/columnists/201701081049374470-us-in-deep-trouble/ (https://sputniknews.com/columnists/201701081049374470-us-in-deep-trouble/)
As a New York Times report put it: “What’s the big deal? asks Trump’s supporters on Russian hacking report”.
Among ordinary voters far removed from the Washington Beltway Bubble the consensus is one of derision towards the once-revered US intelligence community.
“Sore losers”, “sour grapes”, “crybabies” and “absurd” were just some of the disbelieving responses from ordinary folks about claims that Russian agents directed by Russian President Vladimir Putin had tipped the US November election in favor of Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton.
“I don’t believe the [US] intel report,” said one man in Louisiana. “Why is everybody so afraid of Russia? I’m not against Putin.”
Wikileaks Truck
© Flickr/ Steve Rhodes
WikiLeaks: US Intel Report on Russia Hacking 'Has Poor Sourcing and No Evidence'
Another man, a retired US air force officer, added: “From the parts of the [US intel] report I’ve seen it seems silly.”
Down through history, the American rulers got away with their charade of inciting wars and conflicts through false flags and contrived catastrophes: the not-so-secret Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, the fabricated Gulf of Tonkin incident that escalated the US genocidal war on Vietnam, the dubious 9/11 terror attacks and Iraq’s non-existent weapons of mass destruction, to mention just a few.
This same warmongering American ruling class want another arms race, Pentagon-pumping Cold War with Russia. But this time they have played a card that is all too evidently blank. The US spooks and their elitist establishment know that Trump, the American people, Russia and the rest of world all know that they have nothing to offer.
No credibility, no morals and no authority, the US Deep State is in deep trouble.
So Russian Progaganda - at least - wishes to separate the American People from the acts of their government. ( and we know that we see it this way as well, regardless of what the Russians would prefer we think)
see also :
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-18/damaging-deep-state-trump-russia-and-china (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-18/damaging-deep-state-trump-russia-and-china)
So was John Titor a Time traveller? Irrelevant.
Does the story he told us present a plausible scenario for our current situation?
Where is it right, where is it wrong? Can we learn anything from asking those questions?
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At this point I am fine with sending tanks and attack helicopters to Langley and dismantling that entire agency of "state within a state" criminals.
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Yeah, nobody has been harder on Putin here than me, I don't like what happened in Ukraine and Crimea, more the former than the latter...but if the current status quo is maintained and there is a parter we can rely upon to slay the worst of the Islaminals as well as track down and give a polonium nap to assholes like Soros...that'd be swell with me. At least we can trust Putin and the Russians on those scores...we can't trust ANYBODY connected to the Deep State, nobody in the D-MC or E-GOP, nobody in the crony capitalist/corporatist/kleptocracy ranks...and if cleaning house is what it takes and nobody is leaving any other option...
f**k it!
WAR!!!
::viking::
ETA - Is this timely or what?
http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php?topic=9929.new#new (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php?topic=9929.new#new)
Seems to me Vlad is probing...waiting to see who walks into the Oval Office and demands action against the Russians.
But if they aren't sending ground troops?
;)
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Seriously, I am fine with going full Pinochet on the Left. We no longer have a rule of law and our institutions have been coopted and perverted from their legitimate functions, so it means the only solution will be found outside of those things. I am really beginning to see history in a new light, when you look at actions of people like Pinochet or Franco in Spain, it's easy now to see why their "excesses" like mass arrests and shutting down newspapers were necessary. When the system has been completely taken over by the enemy, there is no possibility of using it to wrest control of the state from their hands.
So in honor of Señor Pinochet, Free Helicopter Rides!
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I'll put in volunteer hours as the pusher.
:D