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Title: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Pandora on November 16, 2011, 01:01:01 PM
Speaking of the ChiComs (may be sort of tangentially related to the mysterious pics?) ....

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A SATELLITE ground station in the West Australian desert is being used by the Chinese military to help locate Australian and US navy warships in the region.

The explosive claim has been made by the nation's foremost expert on space-based espionage, Des Ball, who says the government may have unwittingly acted against the national interest by allowing China to use the ground station at Mingenew to track Beijing's space satellites.

"This ground station would help China's space-based listening devices to more precisely locate the electronic emissions from aircraft carriers, destroyers and other navy ships," Professor Ball told The Australian.

"We're talking serious stuff here . . . why was the construction of this station never announced?"

Professor Ball's claims come as US President Barack Obama today begins a two-day visit to Australia, during which he will unveil plans for closer defence ties in a move that reflects growing concerns about China's military rise in the region.

The government established the satellite ground station at Mingenew, 400km north of Perth, in 2009 and gave approval for China's space agency to use the station to track Chinese satellites.

Canberra maintains all operations undertaken at the ground station, which is operated by the Swedish Space Corporation, are for "commercial and civilian activities", but Professor Ball says China makes no distinction between military and civil satellites.

China's use of the station was not revealed publicly until Hong Kong's English daily the South China Morning Post quoted Xie Jingwen, a deputy chief of the tracking system for China's space program, as saying it had "added Australia to its global network of ground stations".

Swiped from RTLM at Grouchy's.

Here's the link (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/defence/chinese-military-using-wa-station/story-e6frg8yo-1226196147004), but the body of the story came from him.

Further, I thought I heard on the "news" this morning that we are deploying 2500 of our troops to Australia now.  Anybody else hear anything?

Correction:  it had to have been Rush (http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2011/11/16/clueless_obama_sends_troops_to_australia_to_scare_chicom_army):

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RUSH: Obama, meanwhile, doesn't know where he is.  When he's in Hawaii he thinks he's in Asia.  When he's in Australia he doesn't know what time zone he's in.  And now he says he's going to send -- get this -- up to 2,500 troops, US troops are going to be sent to Australia to counterbalance the ChiComs' growing power there in the region.  That's gonna show the ChiComs we mean business, folks, 2,500 US troops.  I'm telling you, this is a show of force unlike the United States has ever demonstrated before.  We're not gonna be pushed around by the ChiComs anymore.  No way, folks: 2,500 US troops to Australia.

Checking for further validation .........
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Pandora on November 16, 2011, 01:10:15 PM
WaPo (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/44/post/obama-us-to-send-250-marines-to-australia-in-2012/2011/11/16/gIQAO4AQQN_blog.html) confirms .......

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CANBERRA, Australia — The United States announced plans Wednesday to establish a permanent military presence in Australia, part of a high-profile foreign policy shift toward Asia that is intended as a counterbalance to China’s growing power.

Starting next summer, the U.S. will send 250 Marines to bases here for six-month tours, eventually rotating 2,500 troops through the country. President Obama announced the partnership at a news conference with Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard, describing it as a key step in his administration’s evolving emphasis on the Asia Pacific region as the U.S. winds down wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

“We are here to stay,” Obama said. “This is a region of huge strategic importance to us.”

No, "the United States" did not announce; SCoaMF announced and I wonder who he surprised back home with his little announcement.
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on November 16, 2011, 02:18:28 PM
It seemed beyond curious that the Aussie's would let the ChiCom's build any kind of ground station, and then announcement on troops...somebody playing both ends against the middle down there or what?  Gosh, wonder what Code Pinko thinks about this deployment?!

 ::)
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 16, 2011, 06:44:25 PM
It seemed beyond curious that the Aussie's would let the ChiCom's build any kind of ground station, and then announcement on troops...somebody playing both ends against the middle down there or what?  Gosh, wonder what Code Pinko thinks about this deployment?!

 ::)

This is nuts  ::speechless:: China's been sewing up operating bases all along the sea route through the South China Sea to the Suez.  China wants the East China Sea, South China Sea, Gulf of Thailand (they are digging a shipping canal across Thailand) Andaman Sea and the Bay of Bengal for itself.  China is the major driver causing India to grow its navy. China also wants Taiwan back.  See  http://www.eaglespeak.us/search?q=string+of+pearls (http://www.eaglespeak.us/search?q=string+of+pearls)  and
http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,991.msg10575.html#msg10575 (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,991.msg10575.html#msg10575)

As far as the Aussies selling tracking rights to China, they've been listing to port for a long time.
Obama rotating 250 marines at a time, priceless.  The guys ought to have a good time till TSHTF.


Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on November 17, 2011, 07:19:15 AM
It seemed beyond curious that the Aussie's would let the ChiCom's build any kind of ground station, and then announcement on troops...somebody playing both ends against the middle down there or what?  Gosh, wonder what Code Pinko thinks about this deployment?!

 ::)

This is nuts  ::speechless:: China's been sewing up operating bases all along the sea route through the South China Sea to the Suez.  China wants the East China Sea, South China Sea, Gulf of Thailand (they are digging a shipping canal across Thailand) Andaman Sea and the Bay of Bengal for itself.  China is the major driver causing India to grow its navy. China also wants Taiwan back.  See  http://www.eaglespeak.us/search?q=string+of+pearls (http://www.eaglespeak.us/search?q=string+of+pearls)  and
http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,991.msg10575.html#msg10575 (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,991.msg10575.html#msg10575)

As far as the Aussies selling tracking rights to China, they've been listing to port for a long time.
Obama rotating 250 marines at a time, priceless.  The guys ought to have a good time till TSHTF.




Yes, the ChiCom's have been busy building port facilities and other bases from the Sea of Japan to the Arabian Sea!  Which makes Aussie complicity that much more egregious!  Are we still part of ANZUS or SEATO with them?  We ought to pull out if they're such fools!  Them and the anti-nuke Kiwi's can KMA!  But what does Stymie do, send a few Marines?!  For what?  R&R?!  Good gig for the Marines compared to where they could go, hope they can bring their families...if the SHTF families should be together, no matter where they are!

But you summed it all up nicely...nuts!
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on November 17, 2011, 08:22:25 AM
Thanks for the link too CO, I saved two of the pics from the first link...it really helps to visualize the shipping lanes and ChiCom presence from Arabian Sea to East China Sea (the "string of pearls")...

(http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss291/libertasinfinitio/Misc/stringofpearls.jpg)

(http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss291/libertasinfinitio/Misc/sealanesforoil.jpg)

Speaking from experience...I'd hate to be caught in the Staight of Malacca...it really chokes down as you reach Singapore and the Kra penninsula...but Sunda, Lombok & Makassar might be shorter but a hell of a lot tighter...there are only so maby transit points one can take and a lot of choke points!
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Sectionhand on November 18, 2011, 04:42:03 AM
It seemed beyond curious that the Aussie's would let the ChiCom's build any kind of ground station, and then announcement on troops...somebody playing both ends against the middle down there or what?  Gosh, wonder what Code Pinko thinks about this deployment?!

 ::)

It looks like Stymie is faced with an  "Inconvenient Truth" of his own !  ::stirpot:: ::evil:: ::pokeineye:: ::popcorn::
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 18, 2011, 10:40:57 PM

Staight of Malacca -- The ChiComs are digging a canal across Thailand. 
It may be the Kra Canal, labeled on the second map.
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"
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2011/11/18/quick_hits_page (http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2011/11/18/quick_hits_page)

"RUSH: Herman Cain, in remarks yesterday, ranked US ally India with China as a rising threat to the United States in Asia. No, wait, wait.  That was Leon Panetta that said that.  I'm sorry.  Leon Panetta I guess is unqualified to be secretary of defense.  "Leon Panetta, in remarks Thursday, ranked US ally India with China as a rising threat to the US in Asia. The Pentagon quickly sought to roll back the remarks." What Panetta actually said was, "We face the threats from rising powers -- China, India, others -- that we have to always have sufficient force protection out there in the Pacific to make sure they know we’re never going anywhere."  Now, if Herman Cain had said that, of course, he would be pronounced by many as unqualified.  Leon Panetta said it, I wonder if they'll say the same thing about Leon Panetta being unqualified."   
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on December 07, 2011, 11:49:41 AM
More sabre-rattling...er dragon belching...whatever they do over ChiComLand...

http://news.yahoo.com/chinas-hu-urges-navy-prepare-combat-160509787.html (http://news.yahoo.com/chinas-hu-urges-navy-prepare-combat-160509787.html)

I wanna start a pool for the over/under on deaths/mishaps on that carrier of theirs, if they dare a full operational deployment!  Would be fun following these clowns around the ocean, much easier to hone claws & fangs when there is a foreign playmate in the area!
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Damn_Lucky on December 07, 2011, 04:09:18 PM
I'll give you 5-1 that one of the first dozen planes crash on takeoff and two crash on return! ::popcorn::
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on December 08, 2011, 07:44:24 AM
Heh, I'd go for any ratio above 3:1 for screw up's on landing vs any other mishap!

Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Sectionhand on December 08, 2011, 11:18:53 AM
The Chinks are about to find out that a flight deck is one of the most dangerous places in the world .
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on December 13, 2011, 07:23:16 AM
Hu spouting off about South China Sea again, damned Imperialist swine...this territory belongs to the people's republic...all the natural resources are rightfully ours...blah blah blah...sounds like fricken Tojo, remember him Hu?  Oh wait, you are probably one generation removed from the "rape of Nanking", eh?

http://news.yahoo.com/chinas-hu-urges-navy-prepare-combat-160509787.html (http://news.yahoo.com/chinas-hu-urges-navy-prepare-combat-160509787.html)

ChiCom's....!

 ::mooning::

Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: charlesoakwood on December 13, 2011, 09:03:55 AM

Navy, yes they will need many vessels to occupy all the ports they will controll.
China continues to add pearls to its string of bases.

China said Tuesday it is considering an offer from the Seychelles to host Chinese naval ships in the Indian Ocean island nation, highlighting the increasing global reach of a navy that recently launched its first aircraft carrier.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AS_CHINA_SEYCHELLES?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-12-12-21-46-38 (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AS_CHINA_SEYCHELLES?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-12-12-21-46-38)

The Indians are aware of China's intent. 
Will the US wake up to China before they
control the shipping lanes from the China
Seas to the mouth of the Suez?
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on December 13, 2011, 11:21:29 AM
The brass is aware of it, getting The Regime and Capitol Hill to wake up is a much more difficult task.

And as far as Seychelles is concerned, they are a socialist state, so...figures!
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Damn_Lucky on December 13, 2011, 12:22:38 PM
Didn't we just lose another drone in the Seychelles?
I guess we are just sharing our technology with the world now. ::facepalm::
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Glock32 on December 13, 2011, 01:10:58 PM
Didn't we just lose another drone in the Seychelles?
I guess we are just sharing our technology with the world now. ::facepalm::

I wouldn't put it past our treasonous Ruling Class to be repaying part of their massive debt to China in the form of our military technology conveniently crashing in areas where the locals are cozy with the ChiComs.
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on December 13, 2011, 01:39:49 PM
It was a different drone, but yeah, didn't hear what kind of shape it was in though...doesn't matter...Stymie will stammer in front of cameras and the result is the same...more technology in the hands of bad mofo's...

SSDD

 ::gaah::
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: benb61 on December 14, 2011, 05:24:13 PM
You all know that obama will say that just because he is the CinC it's not his fault that the bad guys are acquiring out tech the guys in the field are screwing up.   But in the same breath he note that HE did a great job getting bin Laden.

What an asshat!
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on December 15, 2011, 06:39:10 AM
He's a legend in his own mind...everybody else see's him for what he is...except our indigenous leftists (heavily self-deluded is an understatement)...
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on December 15, 2011, 07:29:02 AM
(http://a57.foxnews.com/static/managed/img/Scitech/Sept/660/371/VaryagAircraft.jpg)

"Years away from being able to launch and recover aircraft from it as part of a carrier battle group" - Translation: All we can do is motor around our territorial waters and look like we know wtf we are doing!

 ::hysterical::

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/12/14/satellite-takes-picture-chinese-carrier-on-move/#ixzz1gbr5tClR (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/12/14/satellite-takes-picture-chinese-carrier-on-move/#ixzz1gbr5tClR)
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Damn_Lucky on December 16, 2011, 12:57:50 PM
(http://a57.foxnews.com/static/managed/img/Scitech/Sept/660/371/VaryagAircraft.jpg)

"Years away from being able to launch and recover aircraft from it as part of a carrier battle group" - Translation: All we can do is motor around our territorial waters and look like we know wtf we are doing!

 ::hysterical::

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/12/14/satellite-takes-picture-chinese-carrier-on-move/#ixzz1gbr5tClR (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/12/14/satellite-takes-picture-chinese-carrier-on-move/#ixzz1gbr5tClR)

Well maybe than can use it for a big B-ball tournament and invite Da One.     
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on December 16, 2011, 01:33:17 PM
(http://a57.foxnews.com/static/managed/img/Scitech/Sept/660/371/VaryagAircraft.jpg)

"Years away from being able to launch and recover aircraft from it as part of a carrier battle group" - Translation: All we can do is motor around our territorial waters and look like we know wtf we are doing!

 ::hysterical::

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/12/14/satellite-takes-picture-chinese-carrier-on-move/#ixzz1gbr5tClR (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/12/14/satellite-takes-picture-chinese-carrier-on-move/#ixzz1gbr5tClR)

Well maybe than can use it for a big B-ball tournament and invite Da One.     

And let them keep the putz, take him back to Beijing with 'em!

 ::danceban::
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: charlesoakwood on April 12, 2012, 06:35:58 PM

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/04/12/world-view-4-12-12 (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/04/12/world-view-4-12-12)

According to the Philippines side of the story, a Philippine warship was patrolling the Panatag (Scarborough) Shoal and came across eight Chinese fishing vessels anchored inside a lagoon.

ETA: or from Eagle Speak South China Sea: China and the Philippines Tussle Over Scarborough Shoal (http://www.csmonitor.com/World/terrorism-security/2012/0411/China-Philippines-dispute-raises-tensions-in-South-China-Sea)

Two Chinese ships have blocked a Philippine naval ship from arresting Chinese fisherman for fishing in waters that the Philippines considers to be within its "exclusive economic zone." China has ordered the Philippine naval ship to leave, insisting that it has sovereignty of the area, while the Philippines refutes this.

ES has good map too.
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on April 12, 2012, 07:52:05 PM
"Scarborough Shoal, a small group of rocky formations"

Named after Joe's cratered arse no doubt!   ::laughonfloor::

ChiCom's think anything within 1,000 nautical miles to be their territory...wonder if this will lead to a request by the Philipines to enter into more joint operations with US Navy in the area.

Silly ChiCom's!

 ::)
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: charlesoakwood on April 16, 2012, 02:38:29 PM

Generational Dynamics Web Log for 15-Apr-2012
Forecasting America's Destiny ... and the World's
http://www.generationaldynamics.com/cgi-bin/D.PL?xct=gd.e120415 (http://www.generationaldynamics.com/cgi-bin/D.PL?xct=gd.e120415)

Although the Chinese fishing boats have been permitted to leave the lagoon where they had been held by a Philippine warship, the confrontation with Chinese military vessels has raised nationalistic anger on both sides. (See "12-Apr-12 World View -- Philippines and China in nationalistic confrontation in South China Sea.") The fishing vessels were detained near the Scarborough Shoal (called Huangyan Island by the Chinese), off the coast of Manila. The island has historically been part of the Philippines, but China is demanding sovereignty over it and all the islands in a huge region in the South China Sea. On Friday, China's Foreign Ministry said: ...

(http://www.generationaldynamics.com/ww2010/SouthChinaSea3.gif])
http://www.generationaldynamics.com/ww2010/SouthChinaSea3.gif (http://www.generationaldynamics.com/ww2010/SouthChinaSea3.gif)
Gif illustrates area claimed by Chinese


The following appears to be a lift.[blockquote]
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/04/15/world-view-4-15-12 (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/04/15/world-view-4-15-12)

China demands complete sovereignty over Philippine island

 The island has historically been part of the Philippines, but China is demanding sovereignty over it and all the islands in a huge region in the South China Sea. On Friday, China's Foreign Ministry said:...[/blockquote]
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on April 17, 2012, 07:16:28 AM
Well, if we had a POTUS worth a damn we'd be coordinating with not just the Phillipines but every other Asiatic nation wanting to stop aggression in the region from spilling into their territory and push the ChiCom's back.  But since all we have is an ass-kissing socialist punk loser...we can forget that idea.  The Phillipines are screwed.
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: charlesoakwood on April 22, 2012, 10:25:32 PM

[blockquote]By DJ Yap
Philippine Daily Inquirer (http://globalnation.inquirer.net/34343/philippine-us-war-games-won%E2%80%99t-stop-despite-china-warning%E2%80%94afp)

On the 12th day of a standoff at Panatag Shoal, Maj. Emmanuel Garcia said China had no reason to feel concerned about the annual Balikatan (shoulder-to-shoulder) exercises that started a week ago.
...
The Balikatan has long been planned, and its purpose is interoperability between US and Philippine troops and exchange of ideas,” Garcia said on dzBB.[/blockquote]

If the Chinese were concerned they would have been on the horn to Bambi and he would have cancelled the joint maneuvers. But don't you guys get your hopes up about those F-16's (http://globalnation.inquirer.net/21275/philippines-seeks-12-f-16-fighter-jets-from-us) you want to buy.  Even though the USS Blue Ridge (http://globalnation.inquirer.net/30387/us-seventh-fleet-flagship-arrives-in-manila) of the U.S. 7th Fleet (http://www.c7f.navy.mil/about.htm) paid a courtesy call to the Manilla South Harbor Bambi's not going to sell them to you.  His minders won't allow it.   


Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on April 23, 2012, 07:37:13 AM
Most of our "exercises" with the Philippines (since our basing rights leases lapsed by Philippine choice) are of a small scale variety.  The long years of US presence in the region (Subic naval base & Clark airfield especially) made it easy for America's detractors (usually of a leftist bent, surprise, surprise!) to agitate for a removal of foreign interlopers.  A sad turn for a once stalwart American ally.  We remain on friendly terms, but I always had serious doubts of the Philippines being able to "go it alone" alone.
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: charlesoakwood on May 12, 2012, 11:41:38 AM

Telegraph UK (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/9253826/Chinese-media-accidentally-declares-Philippines-as-part-of-China.html) - Reporting that Chinese media reported the
Scarborough Island as its territory.  It was then reported as an error,
leading to commentary such as "This anchor woman is great, a good patriot, she has announced to the world the Philippines belongs to China," .

However, 'Chinese Vice Foreign Minister Fu Ying said late Monday Beijing was ready for "any escalation" of the maritime standoff with the Philippines'.

 China and Philippines Dispute South China Sea (Portfolio) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpYW_LXAznA#ws)


Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on May 13, 2012, 06:41:29 PM
Resources.  Didn't another Asian power get obliterated over similar expansionist desires 70 years ago?

 ::)
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Glock32 on May 13, 2012, 06:47:07 PM
Yes, but that was when an even stronger Pacific power actually had the balls to do the obliterating.
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on May 13, 2012, 07:04:04 PM
Well, as soon as Mr. Gayballs gets bounced, maybe again, eh?
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on June 15, 2012, 11:50:20 AM
Interesting little tidbits about the spy-war going on with the Chi-Com's.  Nice to see the opposition is trying to keep tabs on these clowns and keep them off balance.

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htintel/articles/20120614.aspx (http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htintel/articles/20120614.aspx)
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: charlesoakwood on July 07, 2012, 12:35:24 PM


China combat ready to defend territory at Spratly Islands (http://blog.heritage.org/2012/07/07/south-china-sea-china-drops-a-bombshell/)
It's another move to toward taking over the South China Seas.
Probably before the election.

Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on July 08, 2012, 08:15:15 PM
They aching for a fight, but are loath to take on anyone sporting anything that can hurt them.  Eventually that will change.
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: charlesoakwood on July 08, 2012, 08:40:41 PM

India upgrades its military with China in mind (http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/india-upgrades-its-military-with-china-in-mind-174387)

 
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on July 09, 2012, 11:51:12 AM
Good, now if we can restore sanity on our side, an India gambit could put the Chi-com's in a vise...

Oh well, it was a good idea anyway...

 ::unknowncomic::
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: charlesoakwood on July 11, 2012, 01:37:01 PM

China's going to push it as far as they can.

AFP (http://www.france24.com/en/20120711-japan-summons-china-ambassador-over-island-dispute) - Japan summoned the Chinese ambassador Wednesday as a diplomatic row flared up after three Chinese patrol boats approached a chain of islands at the centre of a bitter territorial dispute.
...
The Japanese coastguard said three Chinese patrol boats had once again approached a chain of islands at the centre of a bitter territorial dispute Wednesday in a move that could inflame tensions.

Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on July 12, 2012, 08:01:19 PM
Picking on the Phillipines and other small nations like that is one thing, trying to bully Japan is not going to go over well, and any regional instability built there will only add to that created in the smaller nations and China could soon find itself surrounded by angry neighbors.

Well, like I said, only if a sane person was in charge of our foreign policy, as it is the Chi-Com's feel justifiably free to pick on all these nations.
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: charlesoakwood on July 12, 2012, 08:22:16 PM
Picking on the Phillipines and other small nations like that is one thing, trying to bully Japan is not going to go over well, and any regional instability built there will only add to that created in the smaller nations and China could soon find itself surrounded by angry neighbors.

Well, like I said, only if a sane person was in charge of our foreign policy, as it is the Chi-Com's feel justifiably free to pick on all these nations.

A little love between cousins; Japan, Taiwan, Philippines, Indonesia,
and Viet Nam, that ought to put a chink in their armor.
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on July 12, 2012, 08:49:26 PM
Picking on the Phillipines and other small nations like that is one thing, trying to bully Japan is not going to go over well, and any regional instability built there will only add to that created in the smaller nations and China could soon find itself surrounded by angry neighbors.

Well, like I said, only if a sane person was in charge of our foreign policy, as it is the Chi-Com's feel justifiably free to pick on all these nations.

A little love between cousins; Japan, Taiwan, Philippines, Indonesia,
and Viet Nam, that ought to put a chink in their armor.


If Mitt gets in perhaps he can leverage that. 
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: charlesoakwood on July 13, 2012, 02:55:24 PM

Well, it's going to be necessary to undo O'lowertheseas and State.


http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5i4o1i4cJho3DTz73xObiJQW2jnMw?docId=CNG.d1f22836e28c14f40f45d4a6d97635a4.631 (http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5i4o1i4cJho3DTz73xObiJQW2jnMw?docId=CNG.d1f22836e28c14f40f45d4a6d97635a4.631)


PHNOM PENH — Days of heated diplomacy at Southeast Asian talks ended in failure Friday as deep splits over China prevented the ASEAN grouping from issuing its customary joint statement for the first time.
...
...
Analysts said the friction could "contaminate" future negotiations between ASEAN and China.

"Cambodia is showing itself as China's stalking horse. This will make negotiating a final code of conduct with China more difficult," said Southeast Asia expert Carl Thayer.

And a choker:


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505245_162-57471633/clinton-announces- (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505245_162-57471633/clinton-announces-)$50m-in-aid-for-se-asia/

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton announced the funding Friday in Cambodia. Recipients of the aid are Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Thailand and Myanmar [Burma].

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Post by: Libertas on July 13, 2012, 03:37:29 PM
Typical Proglodyte/Liberal/Democrat/Socialist ploy, buy off the sqweaky wheel!  A real mensch would tell Cambodia to go screw itself and kick them out if they refuse.  As it is they'll take the money and still play the puppet for Beijing.  Cankles is stupid, but she is the Obama Regime's face of diplomacy, so go figure.
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Post by: charlesoakwood on July 14, 2012, 04:10:08 PM

Whoopzi (http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/philippines-china-warship-territory-16777729#.UAHrLNV0iza)

The Philippines says a Chinese warship entered an area it claims in the South China Sea and ran aground on a shoal, as tensions continue between the two countries over a separate territorial dispute.
...
Foreign affairs spokesman Raul Hernandez said Saturday that Manila wants Beijing to explain why the Chinese frigate became stuck on Half Moon Shoal, about 110 kilometers (70 miles) from the western province of Palawan.
...


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Post by: Libertas on July 14, 2012, 06:46:23 PM
If not removed by daybreak blast it.  That ought to be the message sent to Beijing.
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Post by: charlesoakwood on July 15, 2012, 05:01:43 PM

Target and new ordinance practice exercise.
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Post by: Libertas on July 15, 2012, 07:21:02 PM
Operation Moo Goo Gai Pan.
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Post by: charlesoakwood on July 16, 2012, 10:57:29 AM

(AFP) – 1 day ago TOKYO  (http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jmxccF47iOYuqhiW1uGdeVeQi0rA?docId=CNG.3a6639c96eb50aabfbe32c62e19ee088.2a1) — Japan recalled its ambassador to China for consultations on Sunday amid a simmering row between the Asian powers over disputed territory in the East China Sea, reports said.
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Post by: Libertas on July 16, 2012, 11:32:21 AM
Japan should send warships near Chi-Com ships, have their sailors man-the-rail and in an orderly and profiecient military manner drop trou and tell those Chi-Com bastards what they think of them!

 ::mooning::   ::mooning::   ::mooning::   ::mooning::   ::mooning::   ::mooning::   ::mooning::   ::mooning::   ::mooning::

 ;D
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Post by: Libertas on July 19, 2012, 07:00:56 AM
Nice charts via ZH (Pacific power only, I guess folks don't think assets can be moved   ::)  ).

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/asian-american-arms-race-charts (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/asian-american-arms-race-charts)

Skip the comments, more doves wetting themselves and blaming America for all the worlds problems...they all sound like candypants libiots to me...

The maps of the disputed territories is interesting, amazing how the commies love to draw bizzare extensions into their interpretation of ownership.   ::)   ::mooning::

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Post by: charlesoakwood on July 30, 2012, 12:28:13 AM

Looks like Mr. Gayballs is getting a patdown.
Is that a tingle running down his leg?  Nope.

Japanese Times: (http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/eo20120730mr.html)

China’s recent actions in asserting its claims to ownership and other forms of jurisdiction over about 80 percent of the South China Sea speak louder than its oft-repeated soothing words

Dispatching an unusually large fishing fleet of 30 boats, escorted by a 3,000-ton patrol vessel, to part of the disputed Spratly Islands, also claimed by the Philippines.

Issuing a warning through China’s Defense Ministry that “combat-ready” Chinese naval and air patrols are ready to “protect our maritime rights and interests” in the South China Sea.

Beijing is taking advantage of what it sees as the weakness of ASEAN, the United States, Japan and other potential sources of opposition to push its control mechanisms southward and ever deeper into the maritime heart of Southeast Asia.

But He Jianbin, chief of the state-run Baosha Fishing Corp., based on Hainan Island, wants to go further. He has urged the Chinese government to turn fishermen into militiamen to serve as a spearhead to advance China’s claims.

“If we put 5,000 Chinese fishing boats in the South China Sea, there will be 100,000 fishermen,” he said in the Global Times, published by the ruling Communist Party, on June 28.

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Post by: Glock32 on July 30, 2012, 01:47:59 AM
Looks like we went too far in turning the Japs into peaceniks.
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Post by: Libertas on July 30, 2012, 06:58:17 AM
Looks like we went too far in turning the Japs into peaceniks.

The Chi-Com's are playing everyone for saps, especially us, and with Obama in office who can blame them for trying?!

We could encourage Japan and the Philipines to increase the navies and pledge to fill the gap, heck they could be given the green light to militarize their fishing fleets too as far as I am concerned!  And I would give Taiwan a big green light and hold a press conference announcing we are not abandoning the Taiwanese people to whatever fate the mainland communist regime has planned for them!

I see crap like that quote in CO's post - “If we put 5,000 Chinese fishing boats in the South China Sea, there will be 100,000 fishermen,” you know what I would say?  I would say go ahead, if we sink 5,000 Chinese militia fishing boats, that's 100,000 fewer ChiCom pirates plaguing the world!
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Post by: John Florida on July 30, 2012, 08:48:50 AM
Looks like we went too far in turning the Japs into peaceniks.



   Isn't that what happens when you guarantee their safety?
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Post by: charlesoakwood on July 30, 2012, 10:00:36 AM

Mr. Gayballs is placed in a pincer maneuver
between the Chinese and the Russian navy.
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Post by: Libertas on July 30, 2012, 11:20:46 AM

Mr. Gayballs is placed in a pincer maneuver
between the Chinese and the Russian navy.


Assuming he knows what a pincer is or that he is in one...hell he thinks these two jokers are his buddies...he could care less about disputed territories in Asia...
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Post by: charlesoakwood on August 09, 2012, 09:07:41 PM

At least we are on the right side.

Link (http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2012/08/08/2003539722)

The US will use its most advanced unmanned reconnaissance aircraft to monitor Chinese activity in waters surrounding the Diaoyutai Islands [know to the Japanese as the Senkaku Islands], the object of an acrimonious dispute between Beijing and Tokyo, Japanese media are reporting.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e2/Senkaku-Diaoyu-Tiaoyu-Islan.jpg/220px-Senkaku-Diaoyu-Tiaoyu-Islan.jpg)


Some hunter/killer subs and a CVN group within range would do far starters.


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Post by: Libertas on August 10, 2012, 06:56:55 AM
Chinese activity...

I'd favor some SEALs and a dark night, slip 'em in, make it all look like their little toy boats had mechanical failures and they blew themselves up.

Ah, so sorry, so sorry!

 ::evil::

The Drone's can capture footage of the Chinese activity (aka explosions)!

 ;D
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Post by: charlesoakwood on August 16, 2012, 10:49:21 AM

Link (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/9476856/China-provokes-Japan-as-activists-land-on-disputed-island-chain.html)

...a group of Chinese activists managed to evade Japan’s coastguard, which fired on them with water cannons, and plant a Chinese flag on the Diaoyu islands, which are also claimed by Japan as the Senkaku’s.
...
The Chinese activists who made it ashore sang patriotic songs and shouted in jubilation. The Japanese Foreign ministry warned it would “take appropriate action”, while China, through the state-run Global Times newspaper, warned that it would “send warships” to the islands if the activists were touched.
...

Nothing spontanious occurs from China
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Post by: Libertas on August 16, 2012, 02:09:30 PM
Yeah, spontaneoous my arse!

Live-fire shore bombardment drills in 3..2..1..
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Post by: charlesoakwood on September 08, 2012, 09:45:10 PM
Quote
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Latest-News-Wires/2012/0908/Following-protests-Hong-Kong-backs-down-on-Chinese-patriotism-classes

Hong Kong officials backed down Saturday on plans to make students take Chinese patriotism classes following a week of protests in the former British colony sparked by fears of pro-Beijing "brainwashing."
...
Public anger over the classes has been growing for months. Many feared they were a ploy by Beijing authorities to indoctrinate the city's young into unquestioning support of China's Communist Party, though Leung and other senior officials denied it.

China's stepping up and stepping out.

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Post by: charlesoakwood on September 08, 2012, 09:51:03 PM

China & India from another thread:

http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,6518.msg73303.html#msg73303 (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,6518.msg73303.html#msg73303)

 Until China completes its canal through Thailand sailing through the  Malacca Straits is  the route they must take and even after the canal is finished they must traverse the Indian Ocean.  This new Indian activity will definitely cause them more angst and...
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Post by: benb61 on September 08, 2012, 10:10:26 PM
Quote
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Latest-News-Wires/2012/0908/Following-protests-Hong-Kong-backs-down-on-Chinese-patriotism-classes

Hong Kong officials backed down Saturday on plans to make students take Chinese patriotism classes following a week of protests in the former British colony sparked by fears of pro-Beijing "brainwashing."
...
Public anger over the classes has been growing for months. Many feared they were a ploy by Beijing authorities to indoctrinate the city's young into unquestioning support of China's Communist Party, though Leung and other senior officials denied it.

China's stepping up and stepping out.



Same crap has been happening for the last 30 years here, it's just not been news!
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Post by: charlesoakwood on September 09, 2012, 10:51:51 PM

America traded it's firm hand for a bow and now it's old friends and allies must fend for themselves in an unstable world.


Japan urged not to make 'wrong' Diaoyu decision (http://www.shanghaidaily.com/nsp/National/2012/09/10/Japan%2Burged%2Bnot%2Bto%2Bmake%2Bwrong%2BDiaoyu%2Bdecision/)

The story appears on Page A3
Sep 10, 2012

CHINESE President Hu Jintao said yesterday that Japan should not make a "wrong decision" over the Diaoyu Islands during his brief meeting with Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda after weeks of tension between the neighbors.

The two leaders met for 15 minutes on the sidelines of the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit in Vladivostok in Russia.

Hu told Noda that a "severe situation" had developed over the Diaoyu Islands in the East China Sea.

He raised objections to a plan by Noda's government to buy the islands from so-called private Japanese owners.

"It is illegal and invalid for Japan to buy the islands via any means. China firmly opposes it," Hu told Noda.

"China will unswervingly safeguard its sovereignty. Japan must realize the severity of the situation and not to make a wrong decision," the president said.

He urged Japan to work with the Chinese side to maintain the overall development of the two countries' relations.

Noda said Japan hoped to develop a mutually beneficial, strategic relationship with China and that he planned to deal with current relations from a "comprehensive perspective," Japan's Jiji news agency reported.

No talks had been scheduled during the APEC summit, but Noda said on Friday he would not shun a brief exchange.

Tension over the islands flared last month when Japan detained a group of Chinese activists who landed on one of them. That sparked anti-Japanese protests in several Chinese cities before Japan released the activists.

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Post by: Libertas on September 10, 2012, 06:40:21 AM
I'd urge Hu to go scwew hisself!
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Post by: John Florida on September 10, 2012, 10:35:06 AM
I'd urge Hu to go scwew hisself!

   In spades!
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Post by: Libertas on September 11, 2012, 06:52:28 AM
I'd urge Hu to go scwew hisself!

   In spades!

Maybe he did!

 ::hysterical::

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AS_CHINA_WHERE_IS_XI?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-09-10-10-32-02 (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AS_CHINA_WHERE_IS_XI?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-09-10-10-32-02)

Bi Xilai avenged?

Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: charlesoakwood on September 11, 2012, 08:10:51 AM
Quote
Is he nursing a bad back after pulling a muscle in a pick-up soccer game (or maybe in the swimming pool)?

Has he been convalescing after narrowly escaping a revenge killing by supporters of ousted local Communist Party boss Bo Xilai?

Was he in a car accident?

Or is he just really busy getting ready to lead the world's No. 2 economy ahead of an expected leadership transition next month?

I'll take the Shakespearian vote, Bo Xilai, for ten.
 
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Post by: charlesoakwood on September 11, 2012, 09:11:18 PM

It seems the Chinese are ready to bluster and the Japanese are ready
to buy.  I don't think so.  Japan needs those sea lanes too and the
natural resources more than China.

The Globe and Mail (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/china-accuses-japan-of-stealing-disputed-islands/article4537630/)
[blockquote]
China has dispatched two patrol ships to the East China Sea in a show of naval strength and antagonism toward Japan after Tokyo said it had purchased a group of disputed islands from their private owners.

The Chinese government accused Tokyo of “stealing” the barren and uninhabited islets that are known as Diaoyu in China and Senkaku in Japan. China’s aggressive response ratcheted up tensions in a long-standing conflict between the two countries over claims to the territory.[/blockquote]

Xinhua Net (http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china/2012-09/11/c_123702713.htm)
[blockquote]
Chinese people, gov't together on Diaoyu Islands
English.news.cn   2012-09-11 22:32:52    

BEIJING, Sept. 11 (Xinhua) -- Angered by Japan's so-called "purchase" of some of the Diaoyu Islands, a Chinese territory, people in China of various walks of life have expressed support for the Chinese government in introducing countermeasures.

Despite strong warnings and opposition voiced by top Chinese leaders, the Japanese government on Tuesday signed a contract with the Kurihara family, which Japan claims is the "private owner" of the Diaoyu Islands.

"Our tolerance should not be met with cruelty. And we should call stridently for the Diaoyu Islands and must not allow any country to forcibly occupy our territory," said a netizen nicknamed "Dingxinran" in a webpost.

Some people also posted online a Japanese map drawn by the Japanese military in 1876 to prove that the Diaoyu Islands don't belong to Japan.

"As a member of the Chinese nation, I resolutely and unconditionally support the Chinese government's stance and countermeasures that aim to safeguard national dignity and sovereignty," said another netizen.

Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi said on Monday that China urges Japan to immediately revoke its wrong decision to "buy" the Diaoyu Islands and stop all actions that undermine China's territorial sovereignty.

Otherwise, all consequences should be borne only by the Japanese side, according to Yang.

On the same day, the Chinese government announced the base points and baselines of the territorial waters of Diaoyu Islands, a move that further demonstrates China's sovereignty.

China's oceanic authority has recently improved its monitoring over far-sea territory including the Diaoyu Islands.

Gao Hong, an expert on Japan studies at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, told Xinhua in an interview on Tuesday that China can use all necessary means to monitor the islands regularly, conduct patrols and offer protection to fishermen.[/blockquote]


ETA: Zero's got an article up, it has graphs and heretofore not presented interesting nautical charts.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/response-japanese-antagonism-over-senkaku-islands-china-dispatches-two-war-ships (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/response-japanese-antagonism-over-senkaku-islands-china-dispatches-two-war-ships)
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Post by: Libertas on September 12, 2012, 07:15:20 AM
Their "patrol ships" are lightly armed critters more adept at eavesdropping than sea battle, so whatever.  And Kadena is just due east of this place so if I were Japan I'd send a patrol boat of my own down there, inform Kadena and call the chi-Com bluff.

These Chi-Com's suffer as much low self-esteem and rampant paranoia as Cold War Rooskies!
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Post by: charlesoakwood on September 12, 2012, 11:34:05 PM
Link (http://www.philnews.com/2012/26a.htm)  with a new chart
 
Among the nations that claim ownership to parts of the Spratly and the Paracel Islands, the Philippine military appears the least able to stand up to China's military might. The Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) has no air force or navy that can pose a credible counter-threat to the Chinese. The Philippine Air Force (PAF) no longer has fighter jets that fly while the Philippine Navy (PN) ships are mostly of World War II vintage-except for the two Coast Guard Cutters the United States recently turned over to the Philippines, which were built in the late 1960s.
...

Ambassador John Bolton talks China in "As China Muscles Into the Pacific, the U.S. Lacks a Strategy" at WSJ.com:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444273704577637560538194478.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
 [blockquote]
    The U.S. is already perilously close to the point strategically where China will simply run the table with its claims.

    Potential hostilities are no longer hypothetical. Last week in Beijing, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton repeated the usual U.S. bromides, namely: resolving the region's maritime disputes peacefully through negotiation consistent with international-law principles regarding freedom of navigation.

    Foreign Minister Yang Jeichi replied bluntly that China was sovereign over the territories, and government media mouthpiece Xinhua warned the U.S. that "strategic miscalculations about a rising power could well lead to confrontations and even bloody conflicts, like the war between ancient Athens and Sparta. To avoid such a catastrophic scenario, Washington has to change its obsolete and doubt-ridden thinking pattern and cooperate with Beijing to settle their differences."

    China sees these waters through a prism of increasing confidence based on geographical proximity; the weakness of, and competition among, the other territorial claimants; decreasing U.S. Navy capabilities due to draconian budget reductions; President Obama's diffidence in protecting U.S. interests abroad; and, for most Americans, the uninspiring abstractness of "freedom of the seas." [/blockquote]
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Post by: Libertas on September 13, 2012, 06:54:04 AM
Yes, thanks to a populist Aquino government they took their swords and turned them into plows...so in the end the Filipino people only have themselves to blame...they thought the goverment was too tied to America militarily under Marcos and wanted to shed all ties, but they never bothered to really think about what untethered really means in this part of the world...

Bolton is sounding alarms and it is helping to build the case for new American leadership (Romney) to reverse the gutting of the military and seek sensible partners in the region with which to check growing Chi-Com military and economic expansion.

Having said that I don't know if the Filipinos are ready to step up, but the five most valuable relationships we have (or should have/should expand upon) are with Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Australia and India.

Please take notes Mr. Romney.
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Post by: Libertas on September 15, 2012, 10:20:05 AM
Hmmm...
 
http://www.weather.com/news/weather-hurricanes/sanba-western-pacific-20120914 (http://www.weather.com/news/weather-hurricanes/sanba-western-pacific-20120914)

Too bad the track doesn't swing more westerly toward the Diaoyu Islands...chaos often provides opportunity...

 ::evil::
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Post by: charlesoakwood on September 16, 2012, 03:30:11 PM

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/japans-ambassador-china-dies-chinese-police-use-tear-gas-water-cannon-anti-japan-protesters (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/japans-ambassador-china-dies-chinese-police-use-tear-gas-water-cannon-anti-japan-protesters)

Yesterday we described that anti-Japan sentiment across China
[blockquote] "Thousands besiege Japan's embassy in Beijing over Tokyo's assertion of control over disputed islands in East China Sea."  (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/meanwhile-beijing-respect-motherland-we-must-go-war-japan)[/blockquote]
was spreading like wildfire with some even suggesting it is time to declare war on Japan (see picture) in retaliation for the unprecedented shift in Japan's status quo vis-a-vis the Senkaku Islands. Today it has gotten even worse. From Reuters: "Chinese police used pepper spray, tear gas and water cannon to break up an anti-Japan protest in southern China on Sunday as demonstrators took to the streets in scores of cities across the country in a long-running row over a group of disputed islands. The protests erupted in Beijing and many other cities on Saturday, when demonstrators besieged the Japanese embassy, hurling rocks, eggs and bottles and testing police cordons, prompting the Japanese prime minister to call on Beijing to ensure protection of his country's people and property.

Link (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/japans-ambassador-china-dies-chinese-police-use-tear-gas-water-cannon-anti-japan-protesters)


China conducts navy drill in East China Sea (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXlhjyBtUVQ#ws)


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Post by: Libertas on September 16, 2012, 07:16:32 PM
So many bad actors jumping up and down in the world today demanding to be stomped on...and all we have is the SCoaMF and his merry band of appeasers and ass-kissers mucking things up even worse...

 ::gaah::
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Post by: charlesoakwood on September 16, 2012, 09:09:23 PM

He owns it, this is his mess.  He went round the world
unlatching the cages and opening the gates.  It's all his.
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on September 17, 2012, 07:01:09 AM

He owns it, this is his mess.  He went round the world
unlatching the cages and opening the gates.  It's all his.


Yeah, and the Democrat-Media Complex led by the MFM is contorting itself into a pretzel of unique shape trying to make it not Obama's mess.  Has anyone challenged these media stooges and asked them point-blank "What is the Obama Administrations foreign policy"?

No, it opens more questions and they cannot have that!

The media also owns a big share of blood on its hands!
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Post by: charlesoakwood on September 17, 2012, 11:12:37 AM

September 16, 2012 10:03 am
Anti-Japan protests spread in China (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/3d69959e-ffce-11e1-a30e-00144feabdc0.html#ixzz26kDHiqm0)

Japan nationalists push for islands (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aVxmYJkYKI#ws)

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Post by: Libertas on September 17, 2012, 11:32:20 AM
Penetta urges handholding and hugging...

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/panetta-warns-war-between-china-and-japan-over-disputed-islands (http://cnsnews.com/news/article/panetta-warns-war-between-china-and-japan-over-disputed-islands)

 ::)
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Post by: charlesoakwood on September 17, 2012, 12:30:09 PM

Asked again about the concerns, Panetta said he was worried that “when these countries engage in provocations of one kind or another over these various islands, that it raises the possibility that a misjudgment on one side or the other could result in violence and could result in conflict, and that conflict would then, you know, have the potential of expanding.”


They are such fools.  
This chart illustrates the area China is claiming.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-E91xjwmgVTY/UEYROQYENkI/AAAAAAAAM_k/4iRsHcZlQsk/s1600/SCS+claims.jpg)
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-E91xjwmgVTY/UEYROQYENkI/AAAAAAAAM_k/4iRsHcZlQsk/s1600/SCS+claims.jpg (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-E91xjwmgVTY/UEYROQYENkI/AAAAAAAAM_k/4iRsHcZlQsk/s1600/SCS+claims.jpg)


ETA: Those are some nice glass boats those fishermen have in that FT video.


EETA:  Link (http://www.voanews.com/content/us-defense-secretary-seeks-to-ease-worsening-china-japan-tensions/1509292.html)

Panetta, alongside his Japanese counterpart, Defense Minister Satoshi Morimoto, reiterated Washington's [wide] stance that while it does not take sides in Japan's territorial disputes with its neighbors, the United States will abide by its treaty agreements to come to Japan's aid if it is attacked. But he made it clear he hopes it never comes to that.


EEETA:  Tokyo (CNN) (http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/17/world/asia/china-japan-islands-dispute/index.html)

The electronics company Panasonic said Monday that it was suspending operations at three plants in China after two of them were damaged amid violent anti-Japanese protests set off by the clash between Beijing and Tokyo over a group of small islands in the East China Sea.


If these factories were of any size it's going to hurt China.  
More unmarried fire ants without a job.



"After his meetings in Japan, Panetta is due to travel to China, where he will meet with "top military and civilian leaders including Defense Minister Gen. Liang Guanglie," according to the Pentagon."

Hey, Leon, don't forget the salve.
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Post by: Libertas on September 17, 2012, 06:48:32 PM
Anybody who can read a fricken map cannot walk away thinking "Yeah, the Chinese have a valid claim there"!  There are four other nations much closer to the disputed islands.

Their ships are clearly spy vessels, they are there to monitor others more than to assert their claim.  If they were serious about the latter there would be capital warships cruising, not Cho-Com spook ships!

Panetta might "hope it doesn't come to that" but even a fool knows if you fail to be seen actively supporting Japan (deploying ships!) you are annouoncing to the Chi-Com's you are not that serious about standing by your ally.  Either they are our ally and it is strategically important to maintain them as an ally or they are not.  Which is it Leon?

Or as you put it so eloquently CO, use the salve or offer the salve to them!

(Bullish on KY sales either way!)   ::hysterical::


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Post by: charlesoakwood on September 18, 2012, 12:33:18 PM

BEIJING (http://www.voanews.com/content/panetta-calls-for-expanded-military-ties-with-china/1510086.html) — U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta is calling on China to expand its military relations with the United States to avoid miscalculations as Beijing develops its armed forces and extends its influence in the Asia Pacific region.

(Reuters) (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/18/us-china-usa-defence-idUSBRE88H07Z20120918) -- "Our goal is to have the United States and China establish the most important bilateral relationship in the world, and the key to that is to establish a strong military-to-military relationship," Panetta said in opening remarks that reporters were allowed to observe.


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Post by: Libertas on September 18, 2012, 02:04:21 PM
So Panetta wants to play patty-cake with Chi-Com brass, eh?  Hey Leon, how about you do that chit once you're a fricken unemployed private citizen again!

Reagan didn't play footsie with the Rooskies to win the Cold War, he surrounded 'em and dared them to match him move for move and they went bust!

Silly Leon...just STFU and eat your peas!
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on September 18, 2012, 06:21:58 PM
I take this as a rebuff of Panetta's patty-cake proposal...

China’s most powerful military leader, in an unusual public statement, last week ordered military forces to prepare for combat, as Chinese warships deployed to waters near disputed islands and anti-Japan protests throughout the country turned violent.
http://freebeacon.com/chinese-general-prepare-for-combat/ (http://freebeacon.com/chinese-general-prepare-for-combat/)

Leon didn't call that one too well, I guess that phone call to Obama for direction really laid an egg...who could have seen it coming?

/
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Post by: charlesoakwood on September 18, 2012, 11:08:10 PM


In China, "I do not want to speak Japanese" right now -- Rough Cuts (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ypw1ae8qNdY#ws)

Published on Sep 18, 2012 by ReutersTV

Reuters Shanghai senior correspondent Kazunori Takada gives his perspective as a Japanese resident of Shanghai, as China is rocked by anti-Japan protests. Given the heightened tension, Takada says he does not want to speak his native tongue in public. (September 18, 2012)


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Post by: Libertas on September 19, 2012, 07:51:51 AM
Yeah, umm...might want to GTFO while the gettin' is good!
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Post by: charlesoakwood on October 17, 2012, 01:54:53 AM


China's giving another little nudge cruising thirty miles off the coast of Japan's tourist destination, Yonaguni Island in the Okinawa prefecture [state].

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/10/16/as-territorial-dispute-rages-japan-monitors-chinese-warships-crossing-near/?intcmp=trending (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/10/16/as-territorial-dispute-rages-japan-monitors-chinese-warships-crossing-near/?intcmp=trending)

http://a57.foxnews.com/global.fncstatic.com/static/managed/img/World/660/371/Japan%20China%20Ships_Bake.jpg (http://a57.foxnews.com/global.fncstatic.com/static/managed/img/World/660/371/Japan%20China%20Ships_Bake.jpg)

http://www.edgarcayce.org/_AncientMysteriesTemp/Resources/okinawamap.jpeg (http://www.edgarcayce.org/_AncientMysteriesTemp/Resources/okinawamap.jpeg)

Yeah, Edgar Cayce, but the map is a good perspective of the area.

TOKYO –  Japan and China are trading a new round of criticism after Japanese military aircraft spotted seven Chinese warships in waters off a southern island not far from a chain of isles at the center of a heated territory dispute. China said the ships were on a routine training mission.

The Chinese ships were sighted Tuesday about 49 kilometers (30 miles) from the island of Yonaguni,
...
Underscoring China's sharper stance, it also protested the scrambling of a Japanese military plane in the direction of the disputed islands, calling that a "gross violation" of Chinese sovereign rights.

This is partially some election or power transition (every 10 years) strutting so this can be considered a two-fer for them.
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Post by: Libertas on October 17, 2012, 06:59:12 AM
Japanese should team up with the Taiwanese and wave their bottoms at the ChiCom's!   ::mooning::
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Post by: Libertas on October 25, 2012, 08:15:48 AM
Chi-Com's sending spy boats to Senkaku again.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-24/three-chinese-surveillance-vessels-enter-japanese-waters-around-senkaku-islands (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-24/three-chinese-surveillance-vessels-enter-japanese-waters-around-senkaku-islands)

Time for the Japanese to "man the rail" and offer their salute!

 ::mooning::   ::mooning::   ::mooning::   ::mooning::   ::mooning::

 ;D
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: charlesoakwood on October 28, 2012, 12:17:02 AM

Not that they don't have a long term time plan to control all the China Seas these on going stunts appear to be part of a decadal sabre rattling ritual.  They know Romney's coming and will not challenge him straight out of the chute.


BEIJING (http://usa.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2012-10/27/content_15850881.htm) - China on Friday said it will take forceful measures in response to any moves that challenge the country's bottom line on sovereignty.
...
Zhang said Japanese government's "purchase" of the Diaoyu [Senkaku] Islands, which was announced on September 10, constituted a grave violation of China's territorial sovereignty.

Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on October 28, 2012, 12:00:50 PM
Mitt, upon meeting the first Chi-Com representative once he is President, should sport a large and unmistakable "Free Bo Xilai" button!

 ::stirpot::   ;D
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on November 15, 2012, 11:36:34 AM
We'll we can strike that last posting!   ::)
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on November 15, 2012, 11:41:38 AM
Meet Xi Jinping, new Chi-Com party leader and Red Army Grand Poohbah -

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AS_CHINA_CONGRESS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-11-14-22-49-03 (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AS_CHINA_CONGRESS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-11-14-22-49-03)

"Xi gave no hint of new thinking to address the problems. The lack of specifics and the new leadership heavy with conservative technocrats deflated expectations for change in some quarters."

The unknown unknowns tend to make people the most nervous.

But some things will never change with China - "Fresh in office, Xi can ill-afford to bow to foreigners, crossing a nationalistic public and a military that may still be uncertain about his leadership."

Yeah, bold statement, that.   ::)

AP.  Meh.



Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on December 03, 2012, 11:48:12 AM
Indians (dot) getting iritated by ChiCom's.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-12-03/india-sets-naval-showdown-china (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-12-03/india-sets-naval-showdown-china)

Too bad we do not have intelligent leadership, what a wonderful time to approach our Indian friends and check the ChiCom's...

Oh well, they'll have to sort it out themselves.  Not like the S.China Sea is strategically important at all...
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: charlesoakwood on December 03, 2012, 12:26:52 PM

The only thing between this and the RDS Prelude is that strip of Indonesia.

Yeah, we are being presented with great opportunities but our leadership is consumed by their own greatness. 
India's been on this for a while:

India & the Malacca Straits
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Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on December 03, 2012, 08:52:49 PM
The Indians are the only ones that seem to be interested in checking the String of Pearls.  ::gaah::
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on December 13, 2012, 06:52:32 AM
Wow, Xi Jinping or Ding Dong or Ping Pong or whateverthehellhisnameis has only been in power for not yet a month and we have the chiCom's violating Senkaku (Japan) airspace -

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-12-13/japan-scrambles-eight-f-15-jets-chinese-airplane-enters-disputed-island-airspace#comment-3058750 (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-12-13/japan-scrambles-eight-f-15-jets-chinese-airplane-enters-disputed-island-airspace#comment-3058750)

Next time Japan ought to respond with SAMs if their hails are not answered and IFF shows foe!   ;)
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: charlesoakwood on December 13, 2012, 11:47:30 AM
They are asking for it.

China's diminished trade with Japan highlights China's economic  slowdown and they must do something to offset it and public unrest.

The island dispute bolsters nationalistic distraction while, with world resistance at its weakest, allows them the potential to gain possession of mineral and food rich territories.  Not to mention domination of the South China Sea and its environs.

NAHA, Japan, Dec. 13, Kyodo (http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2012/12/199040.html)- 4 Chinese ships sail into Japan's territorial waters around Senkakus


Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on December 13, 2012, 11:52:16 AM
FIRE!!!
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: charlesoakwood on December 13, 2012, 12:22:26 PM

Think China's forgotten their axe would be in a sling if we hadn't intervened last time?
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Glock32 on December 13, 2012, 12:39:16 PM
Hell even Vietnam has been appealing to us for help. To us.  For help against...China.

Let's see, in the 70s after we left Vietnam the newly victorious communist North consolidated the whole country under its commie banner. Then they fought a war against fellow commies: China and the Khmer Rouge. And the animosity between Red China and the USSR was well known too.

What's up with the brotherhood of the proletariat?  Workers of the world unite?

Good lord the liberals live in Fantasyland.
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on December 18, 2012, 07:49:45 AM
ChiCom's still exercising their naval capability, underway replishment is not easy, but the ChiCom's seem determined, their determination in all aspects of their growing capability should be the clearest indicator of their intentions - they mean to be a dominant world power and for a long time.

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htlog/articles/20121218.aspx (http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htlog/articles/20121218.aspx)
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: charlesoakwood on December 18, 2012, 10:25:06 AM

This is the thread they are stringing their pearls on.
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on December 18, 2012, 11:18:17 AM
And we get the pearl necklass we didn't ask for or want.   ::unknowncomic::
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: charlesoakwood on December 31, 2012, 12:39:37 PM
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/12/31/uk-japan-apology-idUKBRE8BU03020121231 (http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/12/31/uk-japan-apology-idUKBRE8BU03020121231)

[Japan'a new Prime Minister Shinzo Abe] ... has promised not to yield in a territorial row with China over tiny islands in the East China Sea - known as the Senkaku in Japan and the Diaoyu in China - and boost defence spending to counter China's growing influence.

(https://d13uygpm1enfng.cloudfront.net/article-imgs/en/2012/12/31/AJ201212310012/AJ201212310013.jpg)
A Chinese maritime surveillance vessel, foreground, sails alongside a Japan Coast Guard patrol ship in Japanese territorial waters near the Senkaku Islands in September. (Asahi Shimbun file photo)
Chinese think tank: conflict inevitable between Japan, China over Senkakus (http://ajw.asahi.com/article/behind_news/politics/AJ201212310012)

If looks are any indication that Chinese boat says it's time to negotiate.  Then again, it's reported they've sent a new ship to join in.


http://www.businessinsider.com/chinas-054a-liuzhou-warship-in-south-china-sea-fleet-2012-12#ixzz2Gdxxuq11 (http://www.businessinsider.com/chinas-054a-liuzhou-warship-in-south-china-sea-fleet-2012-12#ixzz2Gdxxuq11)
(http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/50e1a7dceab8ea1111000008-618-464-400-300/ffg530.jpg)


Other interesting images:  http://www.defence.pk/forums/chinese-defence/84213-chinese-navy-plan-news-discussions-43.html (http://www.defence.pk/forums/chinese-defence/84213-chinese-navy-plan-news-discussions-43.html)
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on January 01, 2013, 02:05:31 PM
I looks like to me the ChiCom's brought a spy ship to a gun fight.  I'll put a few Yen down on the Jap's.   ::thumbsup::

They won't want to dirty up their pretty new one, they need that to scare us.
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on January 05, 2013, 10:40:35 AM
Comrades have a new toy, maybe they'll bring it to Paris or Oshkosh or something see we can get a closer look and find out if it is good or not...

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2013/01/chinas-new-transport/ (http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2013/01/chinas-new-transport/)

 ::hat-tip::  GeoEye
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: charlesoakwood on January 05, 2013, 01:57:21 PM

Between Russia giving them machine tools and US giving them classified intellectual information they've reached the point of pushing out knock-offs from one end to the other.  They'll be fully functional w/in five years. 

Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on January 05, 2013, 03:57:59 PM
And we'll be 4 more years in decline, at least...

 ::cussing::
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: charlesoakwood on January 11, 2013, 05:13:29 PM
 Japan scrambled eight fighter jets (http://au.sports.yahoo.com/news/japan-scrambles-fighters-china-plane-064312180.html) on Thursday after a Chinese state-owned plane breached its airspace for the first time, over islands at the centre of a dispute between the countries.

Unchartered waters: Japan and China scramble fighter jets in island dispute (http://rt.com/news/china-japan-diaoyu-senkaku-822/)

Japan scrambles jets to head off China plane
(http://uk.news.yahoo.com/japan-scrambles-jets-head-off-china-plane-081601423.html)

Zero is all in agreement with China's statement (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-01-11/chinese-military-high-alert-after-it-scrambles-fighter-jets-counter-japanese-jets),  "Yet new Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe turned the facts upside down when he claimed Friday that China has deliberately targeted Japanese companies as part of a strategy to confront Japan over the territorial dispute. ",  while forgetting how the Japanese people and company's were assaulted not too long ago.

assaults:
here (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,3910.msg77087.html#msg77087),  here (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,3910.msg77107.html#msg77107),   here (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,3910.msg77294.html#msg77294) and  here (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,3910.msg77363.html#msg77363)
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on January 12, 2013, 11:43:24 AM
Must be Jews in Japan, who knew?
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: charlesoakwood on January 12, 2013, 01:00:26 PM

?
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on January 12, 2013, 01:46:04 PM
You did say Zero is taking the Chi-Com position right?  My humor falls flat once again...    ::facepalm::
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Post by: charlesoakwood on February 05, 2013, 10:16:07 AM

Kyodo News (http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2013/02/207771.html) - a Chinese warship last week directed "fire-control" radar against Japan's Maritime Self-Defense Force vessel in the East China Sea,...

Zero (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-02-05/chinese-warship-prepared-fire-japanese-destroyer-last-week) is viewing this from and economic currency perspective.  It's simpler than that;  It's China's desire to dominate and control the China Seas.  But their observation that both states are dancing on a tripwire is correct.

ETA

Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force destroyer was   "painted"  (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,7677.msg90195.html#msg90195) by fire control-radar from two People's Liberation Army warships,
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on February 05, 2013, 11:20:03 AM
As in most things relating to national security the headless chickens running around ZH in a panic explodes in number for such stories.

Using targeting radar on potential foes is nothing new, but trusting the mental acuity and restraint of the opposing commander and his weapons control team can be problematic...Japan, anybody confronting these clowns should have all tracking, targeting and weapons systems ready to rock if these bozos so much as flinch!

The Chi-Com's are playing a dangerous game, they beter not slip up or it'll be on like Donkey Kong!
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: charlesoakwood on February 07, 2013, 11:13:28 AM

Enter stage left, Russia: Is Russia in cahoots with China to divide and conquer or is it simply another shark in the pool?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-02-07/russian-flyover-prompts-japanese-fighter-jet-scramble-abe-opens-second-disputed-isla (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-02-07/russian-flyover-prompts-japanese-fighter-jet-scramble-abe-opens-second-disputed-isla)

 From Reuters: "Two Russian fighter jets briefly entered Japan's air space near disputed islands and the northern island of Hokkaido on Thursday, prompting Japan to scramble combat fighters and lodge a protest, Japan's Foreign Ministry said." In other words, Russia is making it very clear that as Japan loses more credibility in the foreign affairs arena, China will not be the only one to gain from Japan's loss, and that Russia has every intention of claiming what it too believes rightfully belongs to Putin.
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Post by: Libertas on February 07, 2013, 11:33:12 AM
Ivan doesn't want to look impotent, he also wants to let China know that they will not be the only nation fighting to gain more resources should the opportunity arise, and arise it will...if the currency wars don't ignite the wars of conquest the thirst for resources will.
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Post by: charlesoakwood on February 10, 2013, 11:00:26 AM

Is China Mobilizing For A War With Japan? (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-02-09/china-mobilizing-war-japan)

...a Chinese mobilization in response to the ongoing territorial feud with Japan over the Diaoyu/Senkaku islands (and the proximal massive gas field)

Source:Falun Gong-affiliated NTDTV
...major troop movements and mobilization of various types of military vehicles and artillery into the Fujian and Zhejian provinces

...NTDTV transmission-- According to mainland media quoted the "People's Daily" front-page article claiming that China will not change in point of view on the issue of the Diaoyu Islands , and have to prepare to win the war.

(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2013/01/China%20mobilization_0.jpg)

...[note also these provinces are closest to Taiwan and the Okinawa Prefecture]

Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on February 10, 2013, 11:33:01 AM
Loading material on assault ships would be the big red balloon, if that goes up strap in tight, because that means going in heavy and going in to stay.
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on February 11, 2013, 06:39:17 AM
Pretty good round up by VDH on the fallcy of the Obama Doctrine -

http://victorhanson.com/articles/hanson020713.html (http://victorhanson.com/articles/hanson020713.html)

Yup, throw the rosy prognosis out.
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on February 11, 2013, 07:04:09 AM
Oh, and Cambodia is just one of the poor nations China has under its thumb.

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htproc/articles/20130207.aspx (http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htproc/articles/20130207.aspx)

The string of pearls has a few ordinary items accompnying it.
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on February 19, 2013, 09:00:16 PM
Chi-Com's appear to be ramping up the battle for space as well, I'm sure this is all for peaceful things of course!

/

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htspace/articles/20130213.aspx (http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htspace/articles/20130213.aspx)
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: benb61 on February 19, 2013, 09:22:05 PM
Chi-Com's appear to be ramping up the battle for space as well, I'm sure this is all for peaceful things of course!

/

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htspace/articles/20130213.aspx (http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htspace/articles/20130213.aspx)

All thanks to Bill Clinton who gave sensitive materials on how to design and build satellites to China.
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: charlesoakwood on February 19, 2013, 09:55:11 PM

They've already done target practice on their own satellites after they get up there they will zero in on their perceived opponents.
 
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: charlesoakwood on February 20, 2013, 12:13:56 AM
Loading material on assault ships would be the big red balloon, if that goes up strap in tight, because that means going in heavy and going in to stay.

Here is a Chinese vid on the Senkaku dust up.  A nice piece of propaganda and saber rattling rolled together with action scenes.  Just follow the link and click on the vid.  It's subtitled just for us.

http://www.ntdtv.com/xtr/b5/2013/02/16/a848019.html (http://www.ntdtv.com/xtr/b5/2013/02/16/a848019.html)


There is a vid from the same news source on the military build up... I'm trying to find where I filed it.  No subtitles but lots of footage of war machinery.
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on February 20, 2013, 07:04:29 AM
OK then, "New Tang Dynasty Television", nothing ominous there, eh?  The Tang Dynasty is recognized by many historians as the high point of Chinese civilization.  They had unrivaled wealth and power, dominated other areas like Korea, Japan and what we know as present day Vietnam.

As for the clip, interesting how they lead people by the nose, our libiots in the MFM look like pikers compared to these well-polished propagandists!

I like the dual impact of their slants, very clever!  The mention of exercises at Camp Pendleton eliciting fears of foreign devils meddling in their affairs and the call to arms for Our Country is very slick.  People who underestimate the Chi-Com's do so at their own peril!

What is going on with Japan and Taiwan certainly seems to indicate that the desires of the Chi-Com's is little different from the desires of her Tang Dynasty ancestors.

All her neighbors ought to be wary of and properly positioned to repel the Chinese threat.
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on February 27, 2013, 11:42:23 AM
I like how it says "hard to spot", not impossible or even too difficult, just hard.  I'm guessing not true stealth.

If they think it's all that, then let it come out and play!

We'll see how she handles the real world.

 ;)

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-02-27/china-launches-new-stealth-frigate (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-02-27/china-launches-new-stealth-frigate)
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Post by: charlesoakwood on March 10, 2013, 01:44:35 PM
Zero says (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-03-09/china-japan-hand-over-senkakus-or-your-economy-gets-it) "China To Japan: Hand Over The Senkakus Or Your Economy Gets It"  but it sounds more like an overture to make up.  Sort of a rough foreplay,

[blockquote]China on Saturday demanded that Japan reverse its nationalization of the Senkakus and address the sovereignty dispute through negotiations, urging Tokyo to “make concrete efforts” to prevent fraught bilateral ties from spiralling out of control.

... at a news conference, Yang denounced Japan’s Sept. 11 purchase of the Senkaku islets ... from a Saitama businessman, which effectively nationalized the entire chain, saying the move has “caused great damage to China-Japan relations and undermined stability in the region.”
...

“The Chinese side is ready to continue to develop a strategic relationship of mutual benefit with Japan,” he said. [/blockquote]   
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Post by: Libertas on March 10, 2013, 02:58:23 PM
They have to learn how to say "Shove it up your Commie butt" in Chinese.

Or just start killing them.

I'd do both.
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: charlesoakwood on March 11, 2013, 12:50:37 PM

A little nudging from the Japanese:

Game of Thrones: Japan Arms the Philippines (http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2013/03/09/game-of-thrones-japan-arms-the-philippines/)

The closer relationship makes sense for Japan, ... And it makes sense for the Philippines as well. ... the Philippines ...[is] deeply concerned about China’s muscle flexing ... . Chinese patrol ships have been repeatedly harassing Filipino fishing ships over the past few months... .
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on March 11, 2013, 01:53:09 PM
Makes sense, IIRC we argued some time ago for such alliances, makes sense, and the ChiCom's don't have us to blame, it is these two doing it themselves.   ::thumbsup::
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on March 13, 2013, 07:16:56 AM
From last summer, a bit wordy, but it makes some good points.

http://thediplomat.com/2012/08/30/chinas-not-so-scary-navy/?all=true (http://thediplomat.com/2012/08/30/chinas-not-so-scary-navy/?all=true)

I would only add that the Chinese may well be communist, but they still share their traditional cultural ability to think long term, they may not be global-reach blue-water anytime soon, but if they stay on the path they are on and manage to survive the economic turmoil that is sure to rock the globe, yeah, they could be numero uno pretty quick.

What especially wories me if the sheer size of their population, if they want to go on a march of overwhelm areas with foot soldiers they could do it easily, and in an economically ravaged world filled with hungry depserate and scared people and poorly functioning governments (if any)...much of the globe would be ripe for conquest by the largest ravenous swarm out there.
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Post by: charlesoakwood on April 12, 2013, 10:30:31 PM

China upping the ante?
 [blockquote]    Express (http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/391376/North-Korea-states-nuclear-war-is-unavoidable-as-it-declares-first-target-will-be-Japan) - NORTH KOREA has warned Japan that Tokyo would be the first target in the event of a war on the Korean Peninsula, as it increased threats of an attack.[/blockquote] I am beginning to imagine this NoKo move as a ploy to gain South China Sea concessions .
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Post by: Libertas on April 13, 2013, 12:07:56 PM
Shakedown.  Give the Nork's territorial concessions and they'll stand down.  Pah!  Tell 'em to pound sand!  Ask Israel how concessions got them nothing but more trouble!  There is no appeasement of crazies, keep them isolated and kill them if they move, that's it, period.
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Post by: charlesoakwood on April 20, 2013, 02:08:24 PM

China deploys DF-21D anti-ship ballistic missile off Taiwan (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/3d026ec6-a8d1-11e2-a096-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2R27KUNXr)

per Wiki:
The Dong-Feng 21 (DF-21; NATO reporting name CSS-5 [Mod-4]- Dong-Feng ( literally "East Wind")) is a two-stage, solid-propellant, single-warhead medium-range ballistic missile (MRBM) in the Dong Feng series developed by China Changfeng Mechanics and Electronics Technology Academy.
...
The latest DF-21D [CSS-5 Mod-4] was said to be the world's first anti-ship ballistic missile (ASBM). The DF-21 has also been developed into a space-capable anti-satellite/anti-missile weapon carrier.

http://www.oursportscentral.com/services/history/wiki.php?title=File:PLA_ballistic_missiles_range.jpg (http://www.oursportscentral.com/services/history/wiki.php?title=File:PLA_ballistic_missiles_range.jpg)

Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on April 21, 2013, 11:31:17 AM
Yeah, gosh...wonder who they intend to use that bugger against?

 ::)

Guess just what jumped up our attack sub target menu?   ;)
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: charlesoakwood on April 24, 2013, 01:05:16 AM

04/23/2013 23:11 -0400 (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-04-23/1000-japanese-officers-participate-island-recapture-drill)
[blockquote]   
Moments ago Kyodo reported (http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2013/04/221415.html)that Japan's Defense Ministry said on Tuesday that "about 1,000 officers of the nation's Self-Defense Forces will participate in a U.S. drill to be held in California in June involving recapturing control of an isolated island."
[/blockquote]
Is it, is it that China's got Obama's back against the wall?  Japan seems to be our only "old friend" he's assisting.  Or is he leading them down the garden path?  No, it couldn't be that outcome, there's no love for China here for him to lie about that.  Whatever he's thinking he's in over his head.  Maybe this will be FDR part deux Chinese style.

Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on April 24, 2013, 06:48:10 AM
Well...

Everytime any military ship is seen steaming in the ocean the zenophobic PaulBots, Code Pinkers and sundry basement-dwelling nerds get their panties in a twist, and like one commenter astutely noted "If that's an armada of ships, then I'm Davey Jones. That photo looks like it was taken on Lake Erie." this is not what an American power-challenge looks like.  That there is an exercise being staged with Japan in CA to similate retaking an island is on its face prudent and practical.  The bigger questions to ask are a) are the Chi-Com's interested in actual capture or intimidation and b) even if an island was captured by the Chi-Com's would Emperor Barry actually do anyting about it?
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: charlesoakwood on April 24, 2013, 05:25:42 PM

Good thoughts all.  I'll stand by my observation; "Whatever he's thinking he's in over his head".   
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: John Florida on April 24, 2013, 06:32:33 PM

Good thoughts all.  I'll stand by my observation; "Whatever he's thinking he's in over his head".   

 And has been since the begining.
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on April 24, 2013, 07:15:42 PM

Good thoughts all.  I'll stand by my observation; "Whatever he's thinking he's in over his head".   

 And has been since the begining.

 ::rimshot::
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: charlesoakwood on April 24, 2013, 08:17:26 PM

Good thoughts all.  I'll stand by my observation; "Whatever he's thinking he's in over his head".   

 And has been since the begining.

 ::rimshot::

::thumbsup::
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on April 24, 2013, 08:37:58 PM
BlackFive would have us concerned that if names mattered perhaps we need a tougher sounding guy leading the troops against the Chi-Com's...whatever faith is in merely names, meh, but the humor is good!

(http://www.blackfive.net/.a/6a00d8341bfadb53ef017d430bf010970c-500wi)
"Marty, we need a CoJCS with a stronger first name if we are up against a 'Fang' "
http://www.blackfive.net/ (http://www.blackfive.net/)

Heh!
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on May 07, 2013, 07:05:56 AM
Well, this is something, when the Regime admits through its primary MFM organ that China is behind recent cyber attacks, I wonder if the rest of us should be concerned?

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/07/world/asia/us-accuses-chinas-military-in-cyberattacks.html?partner=MYWAY&ei=5065&_r=1& (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/07/world/asia/us-accuses-chinas-military-in-cyberattacks.html?partner=MYWAY&ei=5065&_r=1&)

Of course this Regime being concerned and doing anything constructive about it is a whole new discussion!
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: charlesoakwood on May 07, 2013, 09:48:17 AM

Subtext, we need the gov to protect the internet.  Isn't there currently a bill they are trying to pass?
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on May 07, 2013, 11:19:51 AM
SkyNet never sleeps...I think CISPA was the latest failure...hopefully more failure awaits them! 
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on May 09, 2013, 10:36:17 AM
Interesting how fear of Chi-Com intentions could benefit the US...India and to a lesser extent Australia (who was nominally on board with the US) -

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htlead/articles/20130509.aspx (http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htlead/articles/20130509.aspx)

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htsurf/articles/20130509.aspx (http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htsurf/articles/20130509.aspx)

Just think of the possibilites had we competent leadership unaffraid of offending muzzie nations like Pakistan...India would be a much better ally in the region than any number of 'Stan's!
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: charlesoakwood on May 09, 2013, 05:47:29 PM

Guess the Indians just aren't anti-colonial enough anymore.  Or is it, no, I wasn't going to say religion I was going to say it's the State Dept.


"The U.S. defense budget is declining and so is the size of the American fleet."

In WWII the USA had 30 admirals today it has more admirals than ships.
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on May 10, 2013, 07:44:36 AM

Guess the Indians just aren't anti-colonial enough anymore.  Or is it, no, I wasn't going to say religion I was going to say it's the State Dept.


"The U.S. defense budget is declining and so is the size of the American fleet."

In WWII the USA had 30 admirals today it has more admirals than ships.


What could go wrong?

(Or has it already...?)   ::saywhat::
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: charlesoakwood on May 13, 2013, 11:22:01 PM

It's getting whackier, now one of two who should be allies hauled off and killed a fisherman.  (was he using a spinner, not a caster?)


Taiwan May Send Warships, F-16s To Escalate Philippine Naval Confrontation
(http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-05-13/taiwan-may-send-warships-f-16s-escalate-philippine-naval-confrontation)

While most consider the Middle-East a hot-bed of geopolitical risk (prone to flare at any moment), it seems hot money flows and territorial disputes are rapidly turning the South China Sea into a powder-keg. As Japan vs China is off the front pages for a moment (and US and South Korea engage in joint naval exercises) it seems Taiwan and the Philippines are escalating rapidly following the death of a Taiwanese fisherman last week after Filipino military fired on his vessel in supposedly disputed territory between Taipei and Manila. The situation is evolving rapidly as the Philippines' un-apology (though they sent their condolences) may prompt Taiwan to send F-16 fighters, Kidd-class destroyers, and three or more warships, according to The Liberty Times. The threat of escalation is premised on a formal apology coming within 72 hours. As Stratfor notes, Taiwan's territorial 'claims' are "outrageously ambitious" but the various island nations all appear set on rattling sabres as mainland China stiffens its resolve against Japan over the Senkakus. Given the movements of the Navy (below), it would seem the US is well aware of where tensions are starting to rise... Read it all (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-05-13/taiwan-may-send-warships-f-16s-escalate-philippine-naval-confrontation)

Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on May 14, 2013, 07:10:23 AM
Typical ZH panic-mongering, stick to economic issues Tylers, the moonbat reactionary nerve in foreign and military events gets annoying after a while, USN has been keeping guard in Asian-Pacific waters for the better part of a century, no need to get panties in a wad! 

 ::)

This will blow over, the main event is still the Chi-Com threat, don't take your eye off the ball!
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on July 17, 2013, 08:06:21 AM
Recognizing the need to target slow & low ChiCom anti-ship missiles...and some unsettled questions as to capablities to ward off Rooskie "carrier-killers"...

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htada/articles/20130712.aspx (http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htada/articles/20130712.aspx)

Heck, the nation might collapse before any foreign power says "boo" anyway...   ::)

Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on November 01, 2013, 08:00:47 AM
It never ceases to amaze me how outlets inside the beltway find the obvious so surprising...


Chinese state-run media revealed for the first time this week that Beijing’s nuclear submarines can attack American cities as a means to counterbalance U.S. nuclear deterrence in the Pacific. (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/31/inside-china-nuclear-submarines-capable-of-widespr/)

They've had nuclear-armed subs for a while now...I guess it never dawned on these beltway bandits that they could actual target US cities...until the Chi-Com media informed them...

 ::facepalm::

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Post by: Glock32 on November 01, 2013, 12:53:41 PM
And I still say that mysterious contrail off the coast of CA a while back was no incoming airliner. I tried to be incredulous about the claims of it being a Chinese missile, but what I keep coming back to is the fact that the appearance of this contrail was apparently so unusual that it warranted all that media coverage. If it was just the contrail of an incoming airliner like they say, then why aren't contrails of that appearance seen all the time there? Regularly scheduled planes come and go at roughly the same time every day, and certainly the lighting and atmospheric conditions would occasionally be the same as what was said to produce that contrail.
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on November 03, 2013, 12:09:37 PM
Part of the problem with that CA event was the lack of background markers, without object with which to orient to it makes it hard to determine proper height and and distance...if we had that the speed alone would verify or exclude an aircraft pretty easily.  As it is all we can do is wonder.  But in light of recent history, it would be safe to assume something unusual occurred.
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on December 05, 2013, 08:28:06 PM
This article tracks along with the String-of-Pearls genesis of this thread and all-things China related:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/12/china_sea_crisis_deteriorates.html (http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/12/china_sea_crisis_deteriorates.html)

I think the authors take overall is sound, but of the four points the latter two cannot be overemphasized...and especially the third - it will happen!  When, not if.
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on December 06, 2013, 07:15:36 AM
Chi-Coms sure are a cocky bunch!

http://www.infowars.com/our-warships-rival-u-s-navy-brags-chinese-pla/ (http://www.infowars.com/our-warships-rival-u-s-navy-brags-chinese-pla/)

But bloviating aside...never a better assclown to intimidate America than with that SCoaMF soiling the White House!
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on December 13, 2013, 07:30:43 AM
Little incident in the South China Sea last week...just getting word of now...

http://freebeacon.com/chinese-naval-vessel-tries-to-force-u-s-warship-to-stop-in-international-waters/ (http://freebeacon.com/chinese-naval-vessel-tries-to-force-u-s-warship-to-stop-in-international-waters/)

Stupid and dangerous move by the ChiCom's!  Lucky their little Amphib Landing Ship didn't get cut in half!

These clowns are proving to be much less professional and prudent than the Russians! 

Not a good portent for the future...
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on January 17, 2014, 12:00:20 PM
 ::facepalm::

Son of a ...

"Although Adm. Locklear said it is obvious that Chinese military power is growing, he suggested that it is unclear whether China will seek to be a hard adversary to the U.S. in the long term, so Washington should be working overtime on steering Beijing toward a cooperative security posture."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jan/16/us-military-dominance-pacific-decline-says-top-adm/#ixzz2qgCz6yuE (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jan/16/us-military-dominance-pacific-decline-says-top-adm/#ixzz2qgCz6yuE)

“But this is a remarkable assumption, especially in light of recent Chinese behavior. China is not interested in providing security for everyone and, frankly, not even for anyone other than itself. This is the kind of bizarre lens that led one of Adm. Locklear’s predecessors to offer to help China with its carrier development.”

Ya think?

 ::bashing::

 ::gaah::   ::cussing::   ::angry::   ::pullhair::

 ::realitycheck::
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: oldcoastie6468 on January 17, 2014, 03:03:40 PM
I think China would help the Norks in any way possible.
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on January 21, 2014, 08:02:13 AM
Chi-Com's Illustrated:

(H/T ZH)

Leadership -

(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2011/08/Chinese%20high%20command.jpg)

Territorial Ambitions -

(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2014/01/China%20Contested%20Areas.jpg)

Ground Forces -

(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2014/01/China%20Ground%20Forces.jpg)

(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2014/01/China%20Arnies%20Map.jpg)

Navy -

(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2014/01/China%20Naval%20Forces.jpg)

Airforce -

(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2014/01/China%20Air%20Forces.jpg)

(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2014/01/China%20Airforce%20Map.jpg)

Striking capability -

(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2014/01/China%20Taiwan%20Strait%20Coverage.jpg)

(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2014/01/China%20Conventional%20Strike.jpg)

(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2011/08/China%20Missiles.jpg)

(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2014/01/China%20Precision%20Strike.jpg)

(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2014/01/China%20ICBMs.jpg)

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-01-20/complete-chinese-war-preparedness-and-military-update (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-01-20/complete-chinese-war-preparedness-and-military-update)
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Post by: Libertas on February 12, 2014, 12:00:13 PM
Military ship...police ship...if it has a gun on it you can bet your ass it's out there to expand Chi-Com territory!

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htsurf/articles/20140210.aspx (http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htsurf/articles/20140210.aspx)

The US will either go to war with these clowns...or surrender...I bet the latter...if we survive our own economic folly!
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on February 19, 2014, 12:28:14 PM
China preparing for a "short sharp war" in the East China Sea?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-19/china-training-short-sharp-war-japan-us-navy-warns (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-19/china-training-short-sharp-war-japan-us-navy-warns)

War?  Sure.  They have a ravenous territorial appetite.

Sharp?  Sure.  I bet it stings!

Short?  Dream on!  Picking on Taiwan is one thing...I could see Prez MomJeans piss himself and do nothing to stop that...but if Japan gets involved then our basing rights get threatened, the region goes really unstable and I don't see MomJeans being able to say no.

Short!  Jeez, if that is their belief...that has to be BS!
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on February 28, 2014, 07:16:52 AM
Want to really get deep into the Pacific Rim theater?

OK then, read away!

http://www.uscnpm.org/2014/02/25/china-not-afraid-of-conflict/ (http://www.uscnpm.org/2014/02/25/china-not-afraid-of-conflict/)

Have to take much of this with a grain or two of salt...but I think the view that this region is experiencing some pre-war European kind of vibe isn't totally off base, the sequence of events leading up to Pearl Harbor wasn't really all that unique either, when you blend nationalist politics with appetite and access to resources stuff happens.  It just takes one spark, one slight, one perceived wrong and POOF!
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on March 04, 2014, 07:16:31 AM
ChiCom's basing their new Dongfeng-26C IRBM that can reach Guam, our third most important Pacific base behind only Pearl and Yokasuka.  We respond with THAAD and more attack subs.  (No doubt more boomers too, though they never acknowledge where they are.)  These are likely to be used as a power-projection system to cover their conventional and unconventional activities in the entire western Pacific area.  They'll likely keep pushing longer range platforms to extend their umbrella outward.  The Pacific arms race is on, and the Chi-Com's are on the upswing while we tread water and plan to decline under Obama.

http://freebeacon.com/china-fields-new-intermediate-range-nuclear-missile/ (http://freebeacon.com/china-fields-new-intermediate-range-nuclear-missile/)

Maybe we can arrange a merger and be pals, just like in Firefly, eh?  I mean we are growing more socialist and they have grown more capitalist (in imperial business terms only perhaps)...it would erase our debt problem...but we would likely have to cede primary authority to them.  Nah, never work, Obama would never agree to be anyones second fiddle...not even to someone he adored.  Probably just as well...

Meh...we'll likely fold by then anyway, all scavengers will be feasting on our rotting bones...while a few pockets here and there and roaming bands on land and sea will be all that remains of any American people.
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on March 07, 2014, 07:30:45 AM
Chi-Com masterminds pump more Yuan into their military.  They are beefing up while we downsize and try to talk partners into carrying more of the load.

That's about all to get out of this article, otherwise it is the same news respun and more speculation.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-06/china-expands-defense-budget-over-12-132-billion (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-06/china-expands-defense-budget-over-12-132-billion)
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on March 21, 2014, 07:24:30 AM
Just not enough spits of land for the Chi-Com's to fight over...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-20/chinas-newest-maritime-dispute (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-20/chinas-newest-maritime-dispute)

...but picking on Muzzies makes it kinda hard to really root for anyone in this case...

 :o
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on March 31, 2014, 07:14:45 AM
Chi-Com's want to encircle the globe with spy satellites...

http://www.news.com.au/technology/science/chinas-plan-for-global-network-of-surveillance-satellites-spurred-by-fruitless-search-for-missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370/story-fnjwlcze-1226869302163 (http://www.news.com.au/technology/science/chinas-plan-for-global-network-of-surveillance-satellites-spurred-by-fruitless-search-for-missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370/story-fnjwlcze-1226869302163)

...although they have some clean up to do at home first...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-30/china-confiscates-billions-ugliest-corruption-scandal-history (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-30/china-confiscates-billions-ugliest-corruption-scandal-history)

...and all that corruption in the halls of the Chi-Com elite adds heft to the dangers warned by these two (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-30/2014-brave-new-dystopian-1984-world)!
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Post by: Libertas on April 15, 2014, 07:36:44 AM
Chi-Com boss Xi wants more Chinese military gear in space...

http://news.yahoo.com/chinas-president-xi-urges-greater-military-space-022504986--sector.html;_ylt=AwrSyCQxnUxTP1UAl4nQtDMD (http://news.yahoo.com/chinas-president-xi-urges-greater-military-space-022504986--sector.html;_ylt=AwrSyCQxnUxTP1UAl4nQtDMD)

...great, what we really need...more armed dongs in space...
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on April 30, 2014, 07:32:57 AM
The carrier debate aside, there are things that could be done by the US and in cooperation with allies in the region, but the Obama Regime is not about building alliances with allies at any kind of strategic level, their teeny minds are not capable of such abstract and complex thought patterns...so, as with everything, get used to the decline...

http://thehill.com/policy/defense/204767-obamas-pivot-to-asia-will-lack-firepower-with-carrier-shortage (http://thehill.com/policy/defense/204767-obamas-pivot-to-asia-will-lack-firepower-with-carrier-shortage)

Oh, and the Chinese should really send Obama a present...they could not have done THIS (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d79ffff8-cfb7-11e3-9b2b-00144feabdc0.html#axzz30N267Gr5) without he and his merry band of psycho's!

And honorable mention should go the the EU clowns for helping to give China all she required (http://news.yahoo.com/eu-firms-help-power-chinas-military-rise-051120845.html) to help build her military and economic machine.

Mission Accomplished, America weakened and China allowed to ascend!  Thanks Obama!

/
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on May 01, 2014, 07:42:15 AM
This news really isn't new news and the Rueters clown admits at the end that Russia & China routinely conduct naval exercises together...it is just getting more press space since Russia is more openly courting the Chi-Com's in the wake of their illegal seizure of Ukrainian territory...

http://news.yahoo.com/china-conduct-naval-drills-russia-east-china-sea-182415119.html;_ylt=AwrBJR5_QGFTlk8AUU7QtDMD (http://news.yahoo.com/china-conduct-naval-drills-russia-east-china-sea-182415119.html;_ylt=AwrBJR5_QGFTlk8AUU7QtDMD)

If I were Japan though, assurances from the Obama Regime sure wouldn't be leaving me feeling very cared for about now...

Plan accordingly!  Same for all others in the region confronting Russo/Chi-Com clowns!

 ;)
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on May 08, 2014, 07:09:14 AM
Chi-Com's sure are busy pissing people off...

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304431104579547241211054588?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories&mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702304431104579547241211054588.html%3Fmod%3DWSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories (http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304431104579547241211054588?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories&mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702304431104579547241211054588.html%3Fmod%3DWSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories)

Who do these clowns think they are?  Russians?

Well, they are dance partners...I guess both are feeling bold...

PS - I miss CO!   :'(
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on May 13, 2014, 07:57:13 AM
There go the Chi-Com's again...violating anothers EEZ!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-12/chinas-oil-rig-gambit-south-china-sea-game-changer (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-12/chinas-oil-rig-gambit-south-china-sea-game-changer)

What I want to know is did the Chinese learn to do whatever they want regardless of the law and dare others to do jack about it on thier own or from Obama, or did Obama and China merely learn this independent of each other?

Both are getting away with whateverthehell they want!

I would blow this rig to Hell, but I doubt a fellow Communist regime would do that to another, more than likely they'll take some bribery and call it a friendly lease and be done with it.

But neighboring nations take note!  You'll get no such consideration!
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on May 16, 2014, 07:41:38 AM
FYI - This is really more of a notice to our (former?) allies in the region...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-15/us-officially-takes-no-position-chinas-provocative-actions-disputed-waters (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-15/us-officially-takes-no-position-chinas-provocative-actions-disputed-waters)

...you're on your own!

With friends like Obama who needs enemies, eh?

And more on the Chi-Com island-making scheme - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-15/philippines-releases-photos-chinas-construction-disputed-south-china-sea (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-15/philippines-releases-photos-chinas-construction-disputed-south-china-sea)

Dang, so purdy...would make a fine weapons testing spot...

Oops!  That missile got away from us, sorry!  The good news is this has been restored to its previous state!  Mother Nature approves!

 ::evilbat::
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on May 19, 2014, 07:12:09 AM
Sure would be nice if somebody in America wasn't an in-the-tank-leftist-dictator-sob, otherwise somebody could maybe cozy up to the Viet's just to give the Chi-Com's the 'ol stink-finger!

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/05/18/227746/beijing-sends-ships-to-vietnam.html?sp=/99/100/&ihp=1 (http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/05/18/227746/beijing-sends-ships-to-vietnam.html?sp=/99/100/&ihp=1)
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on July 21, 2014, 12:34:25 PM
Chi-Com's, just as petulant and image-concious as their Rooskie BRICmates, deploy spy ship top Hawaiian waters...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-21/china-sends-surveillance-ship-hawaii-retaliation-us-navy-build-its-back-yard (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-21/china-sends-surveillance-ship-hawaii-retaliation-us-navy-build-its-back-yard)

Man, I can think of a number of ways to dick with these morons...

Flood their ears with jibberish...Obama speeches, anything uttered by any DemonRat really...annoying pop songs and rap/hip-hop crap...

Target their sensors with microwaves, untrasonics...whatever blows their eardrums out or fries their equipment...

Buzz them with destroyers, subs, helos and jets...

And if that fails to drive their little commie butts home...perhaps an underwater op that disables their props and make 'em get a tow home!

 ::whoohoo::
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on July 28, 2014, 08:12:02 AM
Chi-Com's getting all lathered up in the South china Sea again...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-27/china-expands-live-fire-gulf-tonkin-military-drills-warns-massive-flight-disruptions (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-27/china-expands-live-fire-gulf-tonkin-military-drills-warns-massive-flight-disruptions)

...and the clowns at ZH are making sport of the 100th Anneversary of the start of WWI by comparing the Chinese and Japanese of then to today...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-27/chinese-vs-japanese-navy-head-head-infographic (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-27/chinese-vs-japanese-navy-head-head-infographic)

...I'm not worried about Japan too much, that carrier the Chi-Coms have is nowhere near operational and all those assault ships are useless without more screening vessels otherwise they are just targets, so sure, the Chi-Coms could inflict serious damage on the Japanese but it would not be without grave cost and it likely would not be just against Japan if that is how they jumped.
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Glock32 on July 28, 2014, 03:21:51 PM
I just can't stomach the ZH/InfoWars/PaulBot crowd on matters of foreign affairs. Talk about a skipping record. Get some new material guys. Yes, the American government is full of POS machiavellians; but not everything that happens on God's Green Earth is the result of a "false flag" wrapped under 20 layers of conspiracy.

They're still convinced the USA is responsible for MH17 being shot down. What is so hard to believe about a bunch of proven trigger happy rebels shooting it down with a SAM system too sophisticated to have ever been given to a bunch of dudes in Adidas track suits and 5 day beards?

I'm not saying Putin was behind it either, in fact I'm sure he considers the shoot down a most inconvenient headache, but it's the result of him providing serious weapon systems to poorly trained clowns. I figure they got the plane on radar, thought it was a Ukrainian government plane, and gleefully fired a missile at it. When they hit it, they were initially boastful of downing another Ukrainian plane. When it became apparent it was a civilian plane on an international flight, their social media boasts were promptly deleted.

Man the contortions the ZH crowd will go to in order to find secretive machinations from America. They're the perfect cover for actual, genuine conspiracies in the government. The government conspiracy theories are a government conspiracy! You think they might fry their circuits pondering that one?
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on July 29, 2014, 07:44:19 AM
Heh, I think you might be right about that one, their Vlad-worship and Russophiliation is so strong now, they could be the perfect dupes to cover our nefarious governments true despotic political and economic aims, after all who is going to believe their arguments when they are so out there on foreign affairs?

And on China, their posts range from scathing screeds against their economic follies on one hand and then glowing praise for their BRICS stance against the dollar and their military invincibility vs anybody in the Pacific with the other...they are all over the place!

They are schizoid!
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on November 24, 2014, 07:52:30 AM
Just more "String of Pearls" strategy being played out in the South China Sea...

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/23/china-building-giant-island-south-china-sea-large-/# (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/23/china-building-giant-island-south-china-sea-large-/#)!

...ironic though, the Fedcoats and their minions in the various state and local governments here at home get all torked up whenever Mr or Mrs Smith fills in a puddle on their property...but the Chi-Com's can dump whateverthefrick they want into the ocean and build up reefs and make islands on which to build military installations and all they and those asshats in the UN do is jerk themselves off!!!

Talk about backasswards!!!   ::gaah::
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on April 17, 2015, 07:51:41 AM
Well the ChiCom's weren't goofing off out here for no reason, they are on a definite systematic program here and so far they aren't getting any pushback, so...

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/17/us-southchinasea-china-runway-idUSKBN0N723Y20150417 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/17/us-southchinasea-china-runway-idUSKBN0N723Y20150417)

...get used to seeing more bold moves, there isn't anybody showing the slightest willingness to say otherwise...

...folks in this area (eventually others!) better start brushing up on their Mandarin!
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on May 11, 2015, 08:45:01 AM
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-10/china-open-military-base-horn-africa-next-critical-oil-transit-choke-point (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-10/china-open-military-base-horn-africa-next-critical-oil-transit-choke-point)

I think a move like this has long been in the ChiCom "string of pearls" plan, and it is a subtle but strategic move, a more aggressive move would be a base in or near the Persian Gulf, but it would be too aggressive.  Djibouti makes sense because the ChiComs have enough basing rights established or in process going east, so interecepting traffic going through The Ditch or around the cape makes better strategic sense.

But they are still quite a ways away from being able to fully utilize the breadth of their design.
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on May 21, 2015, 07:26:13 AM
More on those man-made islands the Chi-Com's are making in the Spratley area...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-20/go-now-china-threatens-us-spy-planes-south-china-sea (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-20/go-now-china-threatens-us-spy-planes-south-china-sea)

...decent video, excellent in fact considering it is CNN...

...the Chi-Com's mean business, and all we can do is watch as they build.

Thing with those barely above sea level spots, nature can wreak havoc on them and I doubt they would be too hard to obliterate from a relatively safe distance.

Time to set off that tsunami machine?
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on October 13, 2015, 08:04:26 AM
I think if this idea of sending US warships through the disputed Spratley Island area of the South China Sea is implemented (http://www.navytimes.com/story/military/2015/10/07/china-territory-island-dispute-south-china-sea-navy/73525862/) it will in large part be due to the Dear Leader looking like what he in fact is...a cowardly punk who is aiding every IslamoTerrorist scumbag there is while he destroys the rest of America from within...and he thinks sending a ship or two through here will get people off his back...

China or whoever per se is not the problem...our problem is the c*******er running the US.

(http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/67369be21bfc317600b9ceb00317be696572fe35/r=x408&c=540x405/http/cdn.tegna-tv.com/-mm-/331b07be877284a805efbef2d8063df139179f28/c=752-870-1960-1778/local/-/media/2015/10/07/GGM/NavyTimes/635798197624470372-NAV-South-China-Sea-Spratly-GEOREF-10-07-15.jpg)

http://www.navytimes.com/story/military/2015/10/07/china-territory-island-dispute-south-china-sea-navy/73525862/ (http://www.navytimes.com/story/military/2015/10/07/china-territory-island-dispute-south-china-sea-navy/73525862/)
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on October 27, 2015, 11:39:11 AM
http://www.weaselzippers.us/237844-u-s-navy-to-run-warship-near-disputed-islands-claimed-by-china/ (http://www.weaselzippers.us/237844-u-s-navy-to-run-warship-near-disputed-islands-claimed-by-china/)

Obama, tired of looking like a bed-wetter (good luck shaking that) sends a ship to go within 12 miles (the int'l limit for "legal" territory) and I don't know who is more upset...the Chinese who have nothing to be upset about or the CodePink strain of PaulBots at ZeroHedge?

Talk about a yawner, neither is going to do squat to the other...no matter how badly people might want to see it, it just will not happen.

Seriously, I don't know how the chicken-little's survived the Cold War, they should have all expired from paralyzing fear.

 ::)
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on November 11, 2015, 08:03:48 AM
And the other piece of info I've been waiting for finally showed up...

The Pentagon waited for months for the White House to approve a "freedom of navigation" exercise in the South China Sea. When the Pentagon was allowed to conduct the operation, the White House placed several restrictions on the mission to minimize the risk of confrontation with the Chinese. For example, the U.S. ship was not allowed to turn on sensors or fly its helicopters, actions that military experts say would have made clearer that the U.S. was conducting a freedom of navigation operation.

After the exercise, Pentagon officials scrambled to assert the U.S. was serious about confronting China's claims that the artificial islands are sovereign Chinese territory deserving of borders and associated privileges. Some reports said the mission wasn't a freedom of navigation operation at all, but actually resembled "innocent passage," a less confrontational action.

Pentagon officials at the forum told me the White House also forbade Pentagon officials from talking publicly about the operation, but Carter confirmed it when pressed by senators at a hearing last week. Experts briefed by the Pentagon said that it was a freedom of navigation operation but that the message wasn't clear at all.

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-11-11/the-pentagon-s-lonely-war-against-russia-and-china (http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-11-11/the-pentagon-s-lonely-war-against-russia-and-china)

A SCoaMF is as a SCoaMF does.

I don't know what the brass is so pissy about...they act like this clown is new to the office or something...

They should have just rented a civilian cruise ship and manned the rails with nude girls...probably would have been cheaper and more effective...

 ::unknowncomic::
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on November 25, 2015, 11:53:30 AM
Interesting.

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htsurf/articles/20151119.aspx (http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htsurf/articles/20151119.aspx)

I don't find it a coincidence at all that various totalitarian groups adopted the same tactics...

China using merchant ships like Islaminals use human shields, like mobs use to intimidate cowards...

Of course it is only as good as the patience of the opponent to adhere to your rules...
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on July 13, 2016, 07:39:57 AM
In the wake of the recent un-enforceable ruling against China's South China Sea expansion and island building scheme (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php?topic=14380.0)...it's now a good time to revisit a previously discussed topic in more detail - their near total monopoly of rare-earth elements.

The Chi-Com's have everybody, especially the US over a barrel...sure it help that Obama likes to put himself over a barrel on purpose and that helps a lot...but the Neo-Keynesian sellout by the Ruling Class gave China our balls on a silver platter, so naturally they feel bold on a number of fronts.  And the think is with the Chinese people seem to forget is their sheer numbers...sure their economy has serious structural issues and any collapse in the West and especially America will have serious impacts for their economy...but they have the numbers to weather it, they have to numbers to weather any military adventures that might arise...they have no qualms about losing millions of people, the West and America especially cannot say the same.

China dominates the rare-earth market (https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/07/12/decoder-rare-earth-market-tech-defense-clean-energy-china-trade/) and it is for economic and proprietary reasons...and the impact on defense related application cannot be understated. 

If there is to be another outbreak of resource driven wars, this could be one.  I'd be awfully nervous if I was Australia and Japan, Japan because of its dependency on others, Australia for its own reserves people lust after.

Between this and oil and precious metals...the resource wars could be warming up for an eruption.
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on November 02, 2016, 08:07:39 AM
Stealth?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-01/china-shows-its-new-j-20-stealth-fighter-jet (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-01/china-shows-its-new-j-20-stealth-fighter-jet)

Comments on canards are correct.  It defeats stealth...and it is indicative that perhaps their flight control system is not able to handle the load of managing the aerodynamics of the type of manuvering the F-22 can do...so while the Clinton and Obama Admin's might have left some of the doors to the patent office open...or they just got it off Hillary's email server...but they failed to glean everything necessary for a true stealth/performance fighter package.

I would wager the F-22 and the F-35 can out-fly and out-stealth this guy...but the Establishment here is intent on starting a war with Russia not China...so that is that.
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on December 26, 2016, 10:06:46 AM
Chi-Com carrier deployed to South China Sea...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-26/chinese-carrier-sails-taiwan-enters-contested-south-china-sea (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-26/chinese-carrier-sails-taiwan-enters-contested-south-china-sea)

...obviously, not a fan of the ski-jump ramp.  If you want small carriers the Brits have the better idea with jump-jets like the Harrier and the VTOL F-35 variant, much more efficient use of space and you can have fully armed & loaded planes and conduct in-air refueling.  I'm guess the Chi-Com's aren't shooting off that jump full of gas and/or munitions, you just can't get the best wind across the deck with that wind block up there.

They're gonna need all those pearls on a string to support operations that want to conduct.
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on December 28, 2016, 08:50:51 AM
Stealth?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-01/china-shows-its-new-j-20-stealth-fighter-jet (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-01/china-shows-its-new-j-20-stealth-fighter-jet)

Comments on canards are correct.  It defeats stealth...and it is indicative that perhaps their flight control system is not able to handle the load of managing the aerodynamics of the type of maneuvering the F-22 can do...so while the Clinton and Obama Admin's might have left some of the doors to the patent office open...or they just got it off Hillary's email server...but they failed to glean everything necessary for a true stealth/performance fighter package.

I would wager the F-22 and the F-35 can out-fly and out-stealth this guy...but the Establishment here is intent on starting a war with Russia not China...so that is that.

Again...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-27/china-rattles-sabre-tests-prototype-fifth-generation-stealth-fighter (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-27/china-rattles-sabre-tests-prototype-fifth-generation-stealth-fighter)

...color me unimpressed.  The Chi-Com's might have dressed up this Peking Duck and made fly around and look pretty...but I didn't see any impressive maneuverability...and not because they didn't want to show it...everybody else love's to show off their birds at airshows and this was pretty tame...plus the stealth characteristics are unknown...but this fat duck looks like it has a pretty significant heat signature which is a big strike against it.

Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on January 13, 2017, 08:01:39 AM
(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/140ffed3fdc9d0906947245d904e481dd694c2f839829135a28a06e18a06cb54.jpg)

http://www.weaselzippers.us/319252-new-secret-chinese-submarine-armed-with-nukes-capable-of-hitting-america-surfaces/ (http://www.weaselzippers.us/319252-new-secret-chinese-submarine-armed-with-nukes-capable-of-hitting-america-surfaces/)

Who wrote this dreck?

 ::)

Yeah, it's got missile's with range but to get in close and cut down reaction time I'm not so sold on the stealth angle to this...no mention of hull material composition, which unless your touching it how would you know anyway...what its passive profile is is unknown...but unless the Chinese are baiting people the ass on this thing is a dead giveaway - that open screw looks like it will cavitate the crap out of the water...and that is ridiculously easy to track.

Color me only mildly impressed...
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on January 24, 2017, 08:11:24 AM
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-china-southchinasea-idUSKBN1572M4 (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-china-southchinasea-idUSKBN1572M4)

Nice to see someone at least acknowledge there is a foe in the world posing a real threat and not something invented to smear someone else in order to cover up your child sex ring!  That, and sending notice the keys to the kingdom will no longer be given to China as it had under the Hussein reign!

Have to be careful about how you approach this issue, I think it will be more presence oriented than anything direct, a cold war chess game in the Pacific. 

The free and easy times of the past eight years are over for the Chi-Com's.
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on February 13, 2017, 11:24:01 AM
China "Seriously Concerned And Opposed" After Trump Backs Japan Over Disputed East China Sea Islands

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-13/china-seriously-concerned-and-opposed-after-trump-backs-japan-over-disputed-east-chi (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-13/china-seriously-concerned-and-opposed-after-trump-backs-japan-over-disputed-east-chi)

 ::ohno::

Chi-Com's unhappy?  Oh, that's a shame...   ::smallestviolin::
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on March 28, 2017, 11:14:54 AM
Doc Evil's secret lair almost operational...

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/03/report-chinas-man-made-island-airbase-nearly-complete/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/03/report-chinas-man-made-island-airbase-nearly-complete/)

...fire up the secret weather generator...set for Cat 5 typhoon.
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: richb on March 29, 2017, 06:40:22 PM
Doc Evil's secret lair almost operational...

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/03/report-chinas-man-made-island-airbase-nearly-complete/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/03/report-chinas-man-made-island-airbase-nearly-complete/)

...fire up the secret weather generator...set for Cat 5 typhoon.

One of the comments following the article  "global warming will take care of those islands"  ha ha.
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on March 30, 2017, 07:21:27 AM
Doc Evil's secret lair almost operational...

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/03/report-chinas-man-made-island-airbase-nearly-complete/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/03/report-chinas-man-made-island-airbase-nearly-complete/)

...fire up the secret weather generator...set for Cat 5 typhoon.

One of the comments following the article  "global warming will take care of those islands"  ha ha.

Yeah, ironic since China under commie rule is without a doubt the number one polluter on the planet, but Lefties here and in Europe say CO2 is the real demon to the climate, not mere pollution...so they are OK with China making everything toxic if they can make those damned Westerners submit to their extortion.
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on March 25, 2018, 12:47:06 PM
War Drums banging again in the Spratly's.

(https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/styles/inline_image_desktop/public/inline-images/spratly%20islands%203.jpg)

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-25/china-launches-massive-military-drills-preparation-war (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-25/china-launches-massive-military-drills-preparation-war)

Everybody is neatly packed in...what could possibly go wrong?

Chi-Com's want a warm up, I'm sure the others will offer token resistance.

PS-Something else people should be ganging up on China for -

https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htsurf/articles/20180325.aspx (https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htsurf/articles/20180325.aspx)

This keeps up there will only be Soylent Green to feed on.
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Post by: Libertas on April 07, 2018, 01:20:55 PM
Another exercise in the South China Sea.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5988188/china-massive-navy-drills-40-warships-south-china-sea-us-aircraft-carrier-war-trade/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5988188/china-massive-navy-drills-40-warships-south-china-sea-us-aircraft-carrier-war-trade/)

For there to be a show of force, you probably should have more than a few for-show aircraft on your flight deck.

This is no big deal, there is no threat...just more opportunity to study each others operations...and that is primarily for us as they rarely sortie large deployments, they are doing us a favor here.

This however -

https://www.yahoo.com/news/japan-activates-first-marines-since-ww2-bolster-defenses-064938992--finance.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/japan-activates-first-marines-since-ww2-bolster-defenses-064938992--finance.html)

- is more significant.  And a necessary one, Japan like the Philippines and Taiwan and South Korea on on the front lines of potential conflict with China, it is they who really need to take their threats seriously.  We already do, but these nations need to get more engaged in their self-defense.
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Post by: Libertas on October 25, 2018, 08:11:33 AM
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2018/10/24/us-war-with-china-is-likely-in-15-years-retired-general-says/ (https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2018/10/24/us-war-with-china-is-likely-in-15-years-retired-general-says/)

15 years?

(https://images3.imgbox.com/cb/de/UJUeNpcp_o.jpg)

I don't think we have 15 years...we will be still in the throes of or coming out of CWII...
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Post by: Libertas on November 30, 2018, 07:51:43 AM
Obviously, the Chi-Com's are preparing first-strike platforms funded by us and largely based on technology swiped from us (or "donated" by Dems).

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-28/miscalculation-china-building-more-nuclear-subs-pentagon-estimated-report (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-28/miscalculation-china-building-more-nuclear-subs-pentagon-estimated-report)

Yeah...let's waste more time and resources...things we are seriously running short on...on garbage like NATO and an ungrateful Europe and a Pan-Islamic Hegemony seeking megalomaniac in Turkey...and sh*tholes in Afghanistan...and corrupt America-hating outfits like the UN...and not confront the one strategic foe in the Pacific that posses a clear threat...brilliant, eh?

/
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on January 01, 2019, 03:15:58 PM
Loopy Lou Yuan...Yuan nuclear war, Lou? 

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-01/chinese-admiral-wants-sink-two-us-aircraft-carriers-over-south-china-sea (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-01/chinese-admiral-wants-sink-two-us-aircraft-carriers-over-south-china-sea)

Xi needs to muzzle his Admiral...or upgrade those Chi-Com VIP bunkers.
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Post by: Libertas on August 19, 2019, 07:15:21 AM
"The police are doing things that are totally unacceptable," said Yim, a protester who like many others gave only one name.

"They are hurting citizens. They aren't protecting us."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/defiant-hong-kong-protesters-vow-huge-rally-despite-220012829.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/defiant-hong-kong-protesters-vow-huge-rally-despite-220012829.html)

 ::)

It's called Communist socialism...they are meant to do unacceptable things and hurt people...

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Post by: Libertas on August 19, 2019, 11:30:59 AM
https://news.yahoo.com/china-lashes-taiwan-over-hong-051547548.html

Heh!  Good for Taiwan!

Hey, Ma?  Rule of law?!  Ha, yu make me raff!!!
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on August 21, 2019, 07:27:59 AM
Thugs that hug together thug together...

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-20/beijing-slams-west-interfering-moscows-affairs (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-20/beijing-slams-west-interfering-moscows-affairs)

...film at 11!

 ::)
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Post by: Libertas on November 18, 2019, 11:37:55 AM
Chi-Com Defense Chief Wun Hung Lo, er We Feelme (Wei Fenghe)...HTF he is...threatens US to butt out of region and no more of this "independence" crap from Taiwan!

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/beijing-demands-us-stop-flexing-muscles-sends-new-carrier-south-china-sea (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/beijing-demands-us-stop-flexing-muscles-sends-new-carrier-south-china-sea)

Wei be full of commie crap!

Oh, and your new toy?

(https://www.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/china%20carrier%20exercise.jpg)

Rook rike junk!

 ::vafancoul::
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Post by: Libertas on April 28, 2020, 10:21:27 AM
Sick of these Chi-Com goons!

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/chinese-warns-us-halt-military-operations-south-china-sea (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/chinese-warns-us-halt-military-operations-south-china-sea)

Hey, the war already started...so I say start beating these thugs into mush! 

Phase I - Rape America of manufacturing, reap the side benefits of stealing tech and creating the net in-flow to fund expansionist desires and military strength.

Phase II - String of Pearls, dominatre the sealanes from Africa to Asia.

Phase III - Unleash a bioweapon on the world, see if anybody gives a FF, if not Phase IV is easy.

Phase IV - Bully everybody into obedience or crush them.

I say eff their Phase IV!

Anybody looking at this map and thinking they can get away with owning the South China Sea is insane!

(https://zh-prod-1cc738ca-7d3b-4a72-b792-20bd8d8fa069.storage.googleapis.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_desktop/public/inline-images/s%20china%20sea%20oil_0.png)

They thirst for war...and I say choke them with it!  It's going to happen anyway...slay them before they get stronger!
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Post by: John Florida on April 28, 2020, 06:14:14 PM
  They're dick waving they want no part of a war.
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Post by: Libertas on April 29, 2020, 08:12:11 AM
Cut the little yellow bugger off!
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Post by: patentlymn on April 29, 2020, 02:56:16 PM

The map above has the claimed Chinese territory in dashed lines. I read that many US text books and maps are made in China, where they edit the maps to include the dashed lines.
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Post by: Libertas on April 29, 2020, 03:08:51 PM
It's pure BS!  Cannot seize international waters or lie about doing it!  BS stops when the hammer drops!
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Post by: Libertas on May 01, 2020, 08:36:11 AM
(https://zh-prod-1cc738ca-7d3b-4a72-b792-20bd8d8fa069.storage.googleapis.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_desktop/public/inline-images/belt%20and%20road_0.jpg)

(https://zh-prod-1cc738ca-7d3b-4a72-b792-20bd8d8fa069.storage.googleapis.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_desktop/public/inline-images/belt%20and%20road%20ft.png)

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/chinas-belt-and-road-partners-beg-beijing-bilateral-bailouts (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/chinas-belt-and-road-partners-beg-beijing-bilateral-bailouts)

Ohh, somebody's harem not liking the bed they crawled into so eagerly at the start...

 ::smallestviolin::

 ::mooning::
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Post by: Libertas on May 27, 2020, 09:06:37 AM
Not that they don't deserve it...for unleashing bio-weapon terror on the world with their CCP virus...

https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/war-next (https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/war-next)

...but for now all we're doing is buzzing them...

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2020/05/pics-us-b-1b-bombers-just-flew-over-the-south-china-sea/?utm_source=whatfinger (https://americanmilitarynews.com/2020/05/pics-us-b-1b-bombers-just-flew-over-the-south-china-sea/?utm_source=whatfinger)

...but they've earned an economic ass-kicking so that for sure is going to increase! 
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Post by: John Florida on May 27, 2020, 08:31:32 PM
  They will eat those countries if they don't pay.
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Post by: Libertas on June 19, 2020, 12:48:14 PM
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/china-develops-weapons-to-fry-us-electric-grid-eyes-high-tech-pearl-harbor-attack (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/china-develops-weapons-to-fry-us-electric-grid-eyes-high-tech-pearl-harbor-attack)

These Chi-Com devils merely playing catchup...thanks not so much to stealing from us, but by being allowed to by democommies...it was well-documented under both Clinton and Obama Communist China had no better friend...and the use of such a weapon ensures every boomer at sea will unload their full arsenals on Communist China...so they won't inherit anything but a radioactive wasteland...

 ;)

And Biden would obediently capitulate...
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on July 07, 2020, 08:42:33 AM
Yeah?

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-touts-aircraft-carrier-killer-missiles-us-supercarriers-operate-south-china-sea (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-touts-aircraft-carrier-killer-missiles-us-supercarriers-operate-south-china-sea)

I guess that's why they're trying to operate one...so it can be easily sunk...   ::laughonfloor::

CHiCom humor...puking-dog hilarious!
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Post by: Libertas on July 16, 2020, 09:37:09 AM
OK, no longer posting to the trade thread...in my opinion the following order is not only prudent, there simply is no other option...since agreeing to abide by the previous terms on our part while Communist China has broken it to pieces would only makes us stupid and weak...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-using-nord-stream-2-exit-nato (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-using-nord-stream-2-exit-nato)

With the Chi-Com crackdown in Hong Kong precipitating this action...and their continued aggressive annexation of South East Asian territorial and international waters and lands against international law and the man-made construction of land areas for military bases being constructed in the same areas and their release upon the world of the latest Corona strain...we are now entering a potential military arena and should now be on a war footing, cold or hot to be determined by how sane the Chi-Com's are about their totalitarian expansion desires...with all the geo-political strategery and economic warfare elements stepping up their vigor.
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Post by: Libertas on July 19, 2020, 12:43:33 PM
This is good.  Comments in red are mine.

In addition to occasionally provocative but mostly dreadfully unimaginative propaganda tweets, the editor in chief of China's Global Times Hu Xijing represents a useful barometer of sentiment among Beijing's top power echelons, which in a time when a new cold war has broken out between the US and China, can prove rather valuable.

Which is why the following episode is rather informative in terms of how China views the current tit-for-tat in diplomatic and tech warfare between the two superpowers. In an op-ed in his Global Times, Hu Xijin writes that toward the end of his dialogue with Qiu Zhenhai, a Phoenix TV commentator on Friday night, in a video chat about the current US crackdown on China, a netizen asked: Will there be a war between China and the US?

Here's what Hu responded:

First, as the strategic mutual trust between China and the US has almost evaporated and the US has strengthened its military presence in China's close neighborhood, the risk of accidental military frictions between China and the US has increased compared with the past. Moreover, when and if such friction occurs, it will be more politically difficult to keep it under control through peaceful means or to stop it from simmering beyond peaceful intentions.

Yup, Xi's hatchet-man is butthurt that Chimerica (more on this later) is being destroyed, and justly so.  The "close neighborhood" exists only in the minds of totalitarian ChiCom elite...the man-made militarized islands in the disputed territories along with all other natural land masses in said area have traditionally belonged to neighboring nations like the Philippines, Vietnam and Malaysia.

Second, neither China nor the US wants a military conflict with the other side. Although both militaries are preparing for the worst-case scenario, neither wants a military showdown. There is therefore room for both sides to manage risks and avoid a military crisis.

Hardly, due to disingenuous ChiCom rhetoric...any such avoidance...if the CHi-Com's were honest...would require America to back down and resume being the battered wife in the Chimerica abusive marriage.

Third, China is peace-loving in nature. We have no ambition to establish hegemony and replace the US. We will not go further in the Pacific or the Indian Ocean to challenge US interests. China has a profound historical conclusion that a belligerent state will eventually perish. China is a cautious major country.

OK, that is as hilarious as it is dead wrong.  Ask the people of Tibet, India, Taiwan, Vietnam and South Korea (and the US!)...and ask their own citizens murdered in hundreds of actions from the liquidation of the landowners begun in 1948 through the 10 year cultural extermination and dozens and dozens of internal crackdowns and massacres leading up to the present day Hong Kong treachery.

Fourth, China has a very restrained definition of its core interests, all of which are as close as just on its doorstep. But if China, as a great power, is still subjected to serious military provocation, we have nothing to think about except for taking the challenge. China will take the call and will surely defeat the US on our doorstep. When it comes to our ability to mobilize people and resources to safeguard China's core interests, when it comes to the will to fight to the end, Washington can hardly compare with Beijing, and Washington knows this better than we do.

Even though I don't know what the lowest ebb in US-China relations might be, I know China has a clear principle that makes hegemons like the US cautious when making moves around China. Of course, I hope that China and the US can manage all accidents well.

Ha!  Repeating "the doorstep" lie again and if this aggression and international-law spurning militarization of South East Asia is "restrained" action then appeasing this bully is only going to make certain her totalitarian hegemony will enslave the entire region.  Best to die fighting for freedom than live on your knees.

Taking this naive interpretation one step further, on Saturday Hu tweeted that "China won’t engage in a cold war. China will insist on opening-up to outside world, including to the US. Trump govt is the most active in starting a new cold war & decoupling, but it’s not in line with interests of American society, nor the interests of Europe. It can’t last long."

Well, that's one perspective. For a different, and far more realistic and pragmatic one,read the latest thoughts from historian Niall Ferguson, in which he explains that "China has already declared cold war on US."

Wrong again...as we see in the Ferguson article...the only ones for going back to being the battered bride in the doomed Chemrica marriage is the special interests in America who are captains of crony-capitalist empires known by the wise as Globalists...and the party that is aligned with those same interests that have destroyed American jobs and stolen American wealth?  Yup, democrats!

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/global-times-editor-chief-answers-if-there-will-be-war-between-china-and-us (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/global-times-editor-chief-answers-if-there-will-be-war-between-china-and-us)

Next up, Niall Ferguson -

“We are in the foothills of a Cold War.” Those were the words of Henry Kissinger when I interviewed him at the Bloomberg New Economy Forum in Beijing last November.

The observation in itself was not wholly startling. It had seemed obvious to me since early last year that a new Cold War — between the U.S. and China — had begun. This insight wasn’t just based on interviews with elder statesmen. Counterintuitive as it may seem, I had picked up the idea from binge-reading Chinese science fiction.

First, the history.

What had started out in early 2018 as a trade war over tariffs and intellectual property theft had by the end of the year metamorphosed into a technology war over the global dominance of the Chinese company Huawei Technologies Co. in 5G network telecommunications; an ideological confrontation in response to Beijing’s treatment of the Uighur minority in China’s Xinjiang region and the pro-democracy protesters in Hong Kong; and an escalation of old frictions over Taiwan and the South China Sea.

Nevertheless, for Kissinger, of all people, to acknowledge that we were in the opening phase of Cold War II was remarkable.

Since his first secret visit to Beijing in 1971, Kissinger has been the master-builder of that policy of U.S.-Chinese engagement which, for 45 years, was a leitmotif of U.S. foreign policy. It fundamentally altered the balance of power at the mid-point of the Cold War, to the disadvantage of the Soviet Union. It created the geopolitical conditions for China’s industrial revolution, the biggest and fastest in history. And it led, after China’s accession to the World Trade Organization, to that extraordinary financial symbiosis which Moritz Schularick and I christened “Chimerica” in 2007.

How did relations between Beijing and Washington sour so quickly that even Kissinger now speaks of Cold War?

The conventional answer to that question is that President Donald Trump has swung like a wrecking ball into the “liberal international order” and that Cold War II is only one of the adverse consequences of his “America First” strategy.

Yet that view attaches too much importance to the change in U.S. foreign policy since 2016, and not enough to the change in Chinese foreign policy that came four years earlier, when Xi Jinping became general secretary of the Chinese Communist Party. Future historians will discern that the decline and fall of Chimerica began in the wake of the global financial crisis, as a new Chinese leader drew the conclusion that there was no longer any need to hide the light of China’s ambition under the bushel that Deng Xiaoping had famously recommended.

When Middle America voted for Trump four years ago, it was partly a backlash against the asymmetric payoffs of engagement and its economic corollary, globalization. Not only had the economic benefits of Chimerica gone disproportionately to China, not only had its costs been borne disproportionately by working-class Americans, but now those same Americans saw that their elected leaders in Washington had acted as midwives at the birth of a new strategic superpower — a challenger for global predominance even more formidable, because economically stronger, than the Soviet Union.


It is not only Kissinger who recognizes that the relationship with Beijing has soured. Orville Schell, another long-time believer in engagement, recently conceded that the approach had foundered “because of the CCP’s deep ambivalence about the way engaging in a truly meaningful way might lead to demands for more reform and change and its ultimate demise.”

Conservative critics of engagement, meanwhile, are eager to dance on its grave, urging that the People’s Republic be economically “quarantined,” its role in global supply chains drastically reduced. There is a spring in the step of the more Sinophobic members of the Trump administration, notably Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, deputy National Security Adviser Matt Pottinger and trade adviser Peter Navarro. For the past three and a half years they have been arguing that the single most important thing about Trump's presidency was that he had changed the course of U.S. policy towards China, a shift from engagement to competition spelled out in the 2017 National Security Strategy. The events of 2020 would seem to have vindicated them.

The Covid-19 pandemic has done more than intensify Cold War II. It has revealed its existence to those who last year doubted it. The Chinese Communist Party caused this disaster — first by covering up how dangerous the new virus SARS-CoV-2 was, then by delaying the measures that might have prevented its worldwide spread.

Yet now China wants to claim the credit for saving the world from the crisis it caused. Liberally exporting cheap and not wholly reliable ventilators, testing kits and face masks, the Chinese government has sought to snatch victory from the jaws of a defeat it inflicted. The deputy director of the Chinese Foreign Ministry’s information department has gone so far as to endorse a conspiracy theory that the coronavirus originated in the U.S. and retweet an article claiming that an American team had brought the virus with them when they participated in the World Military Games in Wuhan last October.

Just as implausible are Chinese claims that the U.S. is somehow behind the recurrent waves of pro-democracy protest in Hong Kong. The current confrontation over the former British colony’s status is unambiguously Made in China. As Pompeo has said, the new National Security Law Beijing imposed on Hong Kong last Tuesday effectively “destroys” the territory’s semi-autonomy and tears up the 1984 Sino-British joint declaration, which guaranteed that Hong Kong would retain its own legal system for 50 years after its handover to People’s Republic in 1997.

In this context, it is not really surprising that American public sentiment towards China has become markedly more hawkish since 2017, especially among older voters.

(Skipping over the specious "bipartisan" and re-engineered/re-bnranding of Chimerica as some new swell deal euphemism different from the predecessors battered bride model fantasy parts to the cold hard bottom line...)

Kissinger is often thought of (in my view, wrongly) as the supreme American exponent of Realpolitik. But this is something much harsher than realism. This is intergalactic Darwinism.

Of course, you may say, it’s just sci-fi. Yes, but "The Dark Forest" gives us an insight into something we think too little about: how Xi’s China thinks. It’s not up to us whether or not we have a Cold War with China, if China has already declared Cold War on us.

Not only are we already in the foothills of that new Cold War; those foothills are also impenetrably covered in a dark forest of China’s devising.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/niall-ferguson-china-has-already-declared-cold-war-us (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/niall-ferguson-china-has-already-declared-cold-war-us)

Yup, and Xi had help back here from a plethora of domestic enemies aiding this foreign power...and if Biden or whoever has power in 2021...America will resume being the battered Chimerica bride...and enjoy the beatings under she breaths no more.
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Post by: paulh on July 19, 2020, 12:58:44 PM
Just wait til that big ass dam breaks, they're finished.
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Post by: Libertas on July 19, 2020, 01:15:56 PM
They'll blame us.

But we can helicopter drop a sh!tload of BLM Marxists that they can use to plug it back up again...

 ::laughonfloor::
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Post by: paulh on July 19, 2020, 01:19:46 PM
They had a good segment on Bannon's show last nite, when that sucker goes there goes the generic drug supply
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Post by: Pandora on July 19, 2020, 01:33:32 PM
Are you referring to Bannon having a podcast?
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Post by: paulh on July 19, 2020, 01:56:42 PM
No, he has a daily show on NewMax and on Sat nite has an hour of the best of.
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on July 24, 2020, 11:17:18 AM
 ::ohno::

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-shutters-us-consulate-chengdu-retaliation-houston-mission-closure (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-shutters-us-consulate-chengdu-retaliation-houston-mission-closure)

China -  ::creepycryingbaby::

America -   ::effu::

Next up, kicking China out of San Franfeces consulate?  Wait...being there is kind of a punishment...  ::thinking::
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Post by: Libertas on July 28, 2020, 08:54:44 AM
America, the secretary of state said, has effectively ditched five decades of “engagement” policy and is now embracing a policy now out of favor across the American policy establishment: regime change.

Formally, the State Department still “engages” China, Pompeo said, but “simply to demand fairness and reciprocity.” Gone are the days when American diplomats engaged China to support the Communist Party. Too often in the past, U.S. presidents rescued Chinese communism, three times—Nixon in 1972, Bush in 1989, and Clinton in 1999—in particular.

More importantly, Pompeo said there would be a new form of engagement. “We must also engage and empower the Chinese people—a dynamic, freedom-loving people who are completely distinct from the Chinese Communist Party,” he said. “That begins with in-person diplomacy.”

Analysts say the landmark address is “a cry for war,” as Fred Kaplan, writing on the Slate site told us. Yes, there is nothing that scares China’s insecure leadership as the United States speaking directly to the Chinese people. So to the ears of Xi Jinping, China’s ruler, Pompeo’s words undoubtedly sounded like a war cry.

Many talk about the United States in recent weeks starting a “new Cold War,” but that formulation is Beijing’s narrative and is certainly inapt. There is nothing “new” about the multi-generational, across-continents struggle. China has been waging this contest since the fall of the Soviet Union. It’s just that Americans have been, for reasons that have changed over time, oblivious.

If there is anything new about the struggle with China, it is that Americans have realized the danger of the Communist Party’s challenge to America and started to do something about it.

Nonetheless, the U.S., now aroused, is still not fully aware of the fundamental nature of the challenge. Xi, unfortunately, thinks everyone should acknowledge not only Chinese hegemony but also China’s rule, working relentlessly to resurrect the imperial-era concept that China’s ruler has both the right and responsibility to rule tianxia, or all under Heaven. Xi, therefore, poses an existential threat to both America and the Westphalian international system in place since 1648. China, unfortunately, is again ruled by a revolutionary.

Moreover, Americans have been slow to grasp China’s hostility. Beijing’s disinformation campaigns against the United States, in relation to the coronavirus epidemic and the George Floyd protests, have been stunning in their deceitfulness and maliciousness.

Furthermore, Beijing has apparently gone all out: in mid-March, according to the New York Times, Beijing surreptitiously propagating a story, through text messages and social media feeds, it knew to be false, apparently to cause turmoil in America.

Up to now, the American policy establishment has thought it could handle Beijing with traditional diplomacy. As former State Department official Susan Thornton told PBS NewsHour’s Nick Schifrin the day before Pompeo’s address, “Well, I think from where I sit the real problem is that we need a very nuanced and thoughtful strategy to take on the very complicated challenge that China presents, and right now it seems like we have a tough attitude and a lot of provocative measures that don’t account for a strategy and don’t have any clear accomplishment.”

Thornton’s words sound good to the ear, but the U.S. has in fact employed a “nuanced and thoughtful strategy” for decades, and that strategy has obviously not been able to handle the militant regime that Xi Jinping leads.

China’s militancy is frightening. Its military—and perhaps some of the country’s civilian leaders—are now driven by blood lust. For instance, on the evening of June 15 Chinese troops, in a premeditated action, killed 20 Indian soldiers south of the Line of Actual Control in Indian-controlled territory in eastern Ladakh. With Beijing engaging in its “Wolf Warrior diplomacy” across the world, but especially along its southern and eastern borders, only a robust response has a chance of succeeding, especially if the regime is now, as it appears, incapable of either responsible conduct or even reform.

Pompeo’s comprehensive speech caps a series of remarks that are changing American foreign policy: two addresses from Vice President Mike Pence, in October 2018 and one a year later; one from Pompeo last October; and three speeches June and this month, from National Security Advisor Robert O’Brien, FBI Director Christopher Wray, and Attorney General William Barr.

Taken together, these six pronouncements constitute today’s version of the Long Telegram of 1946 and the “X Article” of 1947, George Kennan’s paradigm-changing thoughts on the Soviet Union.

A paradigm shift on China comes none too soon. “It’s time,” Pompeo said on Thursday,  “It’s time for free nations to act.”

From Pompeo on Thursday we heard an echo of “Tear down this wall.” And we heard that when everything is at stake and there’s not a moment to lose.

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/mike-pompeo-just-declared-americas-new-china-policy-regime-change-165639 (https://nationalinterest.org/feature/mike-pompeo-just-declared-americas-new-china-policy-regime-change-165639)

Yup, no free rides, no longer be their bitch and fund their totalitarian expansionist desires...end run their asses, pump VOA into them...give them the full Soviet treatment...only way to contain them or hope to flip them.

 ::thumbsup::

In other news...

ChiCom's bullying neighbors again, violating Int'l Law...asking to be spanked! (https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/commentary/asean-south-china-sea-vietnam-malaysia-indonesia-philippines-law-12959836?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)

And, in another move by the Russian's that will in no way lessen the increased distrust others have of their motivations...they team up with the Chi-Com's to, get this "combat disinformation" (https://www.fmprc.gov.cn/mfa_eng/wjbxw/t1800619.shtml)!

 ::laughonfloor::

Yeah...what comes out of China is uhh, honest and truthful!   ::hysterical::

And this does little to rid the impression that the Russian people are still pathologically afflicted with low self-esteem...and still an Asian people looking east...

 ::)

And those people in the Russian east?

Not digging Putin very much, (https://twitter.com/AlexKokcharov/status/1286969493365895170?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1286969493365895170%7Ctwgr%5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftheconservativetreehouse.com%2F2020%2F07%2F28%2Fjuly-28th-2020-presidential-politics-trump-administration-day-1286%2F) which I guess is the result of disinformation coming in from the outside, right?

 ::bus::
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on August 03, 2020, 10:33:21 AM
Wow, XI and the batshyt-crazy Chi-Com Politburo really yearn for a military confrontation, eh?

ChiCom's make unilateral illegal claims again (https://twitter.com/CollinSLKoh/status/1289522535030169600?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1289523604976107526%7Ctwgr%5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftheconservativetreehouse.com%2F2020%2F08%2F03%2Faugust-3rd-2020-presidential-politics-trump-administration-day-1292%2F)...they need a spanking.

But, prior to conflict, which I seriously think these morons aren't in a position to press...we need to keep on highlighting the illegality of their declarations, express support for the neighboring nations being bullied and threatened by the Commie thugs, continue to exercise our rights and the rights of our allies to freely transit internation waters...but with perhaps some good old fashioned under-the-table actions that are deniable but are effectively targeted at hampering their operational effectiveness in the area...

As the saying goes..."sh!t happens"...time for some unfortunate mistakes and malfunctions to manifest themselves...

 ;)
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on August 17, 2020, 09:39:15 AM
PLA - proof that the cultural revolution was going to have collective intelligence failures...uhh...downstream...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1294486716443549697

 ::laughonfloor::
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: John Florida on August 17, 2020, 05:22:59 PM
   ::falldownshocked:: ::ohno:: ::bus:: ::rolllaughing::
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on September 11, 2020, 07:45:09 AM
Chi-Com's want to play...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/chinese-fighter-jets-buzz-taiwan-airspace-second-day-tensions-soar (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/chinese-fighter-jets-buzz-taiwan-airspace-second-day-tensions-soar)

...personally, I'd have no problem shooting their Russian-made jets out of the sky the second they penetrated my airspace...

...China is in no position to respond in force, they are not exactly beloved now around the world...outside of Putin's tight circle...people wouldn't mind seeing the Chinese get a bloody nose.
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on October 20, 2020, 11:55:39 AM
Flu Boy thinks he can start something he cannot survive...

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3105953/chinese-military-beefs-coastal-forces-it-prepares-possible (https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3105953/chinese-military-beefs-coastal-forces-it-prepares-possible)

10 of 13 Xi's marines staged and ready.  How nice, go ahead load 'em up, send 'em over...

Sports here killed by Marxists, entertainment killed by Marxists, being normal humans killed by Marxists...really nothing else to watch...put up or shut up Flu Boy!

(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ef952f0c0e429451fa4d3785cd961704909795f976a28947ac761b1904e6f51a.gif)

But I am betting his fat commie ass is bluffing.
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on December 30, 2020, 08:58:02 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/chinese-submarine-drone-discovered-near-gateway-indian-ocean (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/chinese-submarine-drone-discovered-near-gateway-indian-ocean)

Sunda is a major transit route, been through it myself a couple times in my squid travels.

Fortunately for Beijing it appears the inexorable march towards capitulation to China matches the march towards sealing The Big Steal...so China Joe or Heels-Up Harris will be willing puppets and if the world is to be rendered ash by global warfare it will shift back to Russia as enemy supreme.
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on April 20, 2021, 08:46:56 AM
Shadowing vessels at sea goes back into antiquity...but I have to snort at the casualness of the Skipper of this tin-can...

(https://www.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/navyphoto1.jpg)

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-issues-rare-cognitive-warfare-photo-navy-shadows-chinese-carrier (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-issues-rare-cognitive-warfare-photo-navy-shadows-chinese-carrier)

I understand the impulse to make the assumption it is intentional and purposely meant to needle Chi-Com honor and ego...but given latter-day woke military it could be the CO is doing it casually sans deeper thought and people are over-reading it...coupled with the fact that the Chi-Com's are still no nearer reliable and sustainable launch and recovery of aircraft the skipper may feel bored with a stakeout mission any non-combat vessel could have done...or it is exactly what it appears to be and he was ordered to do it. 

Whatever...
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Pandora on April 20, 2021, 08:51:52 AM
And there they are, tempting fate while wearing their little face diapers.  Boy o boy, what brave fighting men!!
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on April 20, 2021, 09:01:34 AM
 ::hysterical::
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Lady Virginia on April 20, 2021, 08:28:58 PM
 ::hysterical:: ::hysterical:: ::hysterical::

that's where we are now sadly....
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on April 21, 2021, 08:32:41 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/indonesian-submarine-disappears-during-routine-naval-drill (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/indonesian-submarine-disappears-during-routine-naval-drill)

Chi-Com's strike again?  Seem to have a thing for "disappearing" minor nation vessels...and by minor I mean little military conventional or special...
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on May 11, 2021, 08:46:20 AM
Wow, asshats at Rand and REMF's in the Pentagon looked at a map and in unison went "huh, lookie there"?

(https://assets.zerohedge.com/s3fs-public/inline-images/chokepoints.jpg)

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/submarine-chokepoint-control-chinas-coast-puts-us-allies-huge-advantage (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/submarine-chokepoint-control-chinas-coast-puts-us-allies-huge-advantage)

What is more believable is these Quislings want the Chi-Com's to address their vulnerabilities so they can use the excuse "it's too hard" and it will help assure it would be hard because like a loaded arrow poised to strike...their target is obvious for anybody to see!

In other stupid news about the Red Devils...

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/china-enforces-new-boundary-nepal-summit-everest-keep-infected-climbers-out (https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/china-enforces-new-boundary-nepal-summit-everest-keep-infected-climbers-out)

...what are they gonna do?  Build a wall?  Man it 24/7?

 ::hysterical::

Not interested in dying on a hike up that beast...but somebody more fit just has to go up there and moon the Chi-Com's and taunt those lunatics!

 ::mooning::
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on June 01, 2021, 08:26:33 AM
The Chi-Com "string of pearls" was always going to be expansive...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/coming-soon-chinas-navy-patrolling-new-york (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/coming-soon-chinas-navy-patrolling-new-york)

...and some moves easier than others...and then there is logistical support.  But, whatever...right off the coast is one thing...other side of the pond another, and the latter has opportunities that could be exploited.  Well, if the REMFs weren't such self-destructive SJW-ing morons...
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on June 15, 2021, 11:50:45 AM
https://freebeacon.com/national-security/report-china-expands-nuclear-weapons-arsenal/

They know a weakling when they see one...
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on August 26, 2021, 12:06:46 PM
"The U.S. does not accept and will not allow or accommodate China as it grows stronger," he added. "It treats China as a strategic rival and security threat, implementing comprehensive containment and suppression of China while seriously undermining China's sovereignty, security and development interests."

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-zero-sum-game-china-over-south-china-sea-china-says (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-zero-sum-game-china-over-south-china-sea-china-says)

Uhh huh...well, stop trying to illegally seize territory...who do you think you are, Russia?  Might makes right, eh?  I remember when that was an epithet y'all hurled at the US a lot.  Pot/Kettle, quit conflating the issue of your criminal larceny.

(https://assets.zerohedge.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_mobile/public/inline-images/map_11.jpg)

"We need to find ways to pressure and raise the pressure, frankly, on Beijing to abide by the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, and to challenge its bullying and excessive maritime claims," said (Heel'sUp)Harris.

OK, right message...totally WRONG messenger...y'all Statists should take your advice on the masks and jabs, immigration, all of it!!!
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on September 13, 2021, 07:52:31 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/once-situation-gets-out-control-chinese-state-media-vows-its-military-will-show-us (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/once-situation-gets-out-control-chinese-state-media-vows-its-military-will-show-us)

Beijing Betty running her mouth again...winners win, losers lose and paper-tigers run their mouths and do nothing.  It may appear I am tempting fate at a time when America is weak and stupid...in this case appearances are spot on...

I don't see American trajectory improving, I see it degrading...rapidly...so really, kick all tires and light all fires...I see no reason to dilly-dally...

Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on October 19, 2021, 11:44:26 AM
New driver in the Chi-Com bag...

Beijing has mocked America by saying their secret test of a 21,000mph nuclear-capable missile, which orbited the globe before returning to Earth to strike its target, is a ‘new blow to the US’s mentality of strategic superiority over China’.

The jibe follows a report from the Financial Times, which cited five unnamed intelligence sources, said the Chinese military launched the Long March rocket in August carrying a ‘hypersonic glide vehicle’ into low orbit.

It circled the globe before descending towards its target, which is missed by about two dozen miles, in a technological development that would overcome US anti-ballistic missile systems.

The incident caught the US intelligence community by surprise, sources say, as it shows ‘China has made astonishing progress on the development of its hypersonic weapons’.

One person familiar with the test said: ‘We have no idea how they did this.’

https://www.weaselzippers.us/475486-bejing-now-has-a-hypersonic-missile-capable-of-circling-the-globe-and-hitting-america-with-a-nuke/ (https://www.weaselzippers.us/475486-bejing-now-has-a-hypersonic-missile-capable-of-circling-the-globe-and-hitting-america-with-a-nuke/)

Yeah, no idea IC putz?!  Uhh huh...

No idea Biden/Obama/Clinton influence and American money and technology could be applied so quickly by the Marxist soulmates of your DemCom allies, eh?  Yeah, BS!!!
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on November 18, 2021, 09:25:53 AM
https://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,14380.msg155598.html#msg155598 (https://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,14380.msg155598.html#msg155598)

Gosh, what has changed since then?  Oh, yeah...stolen election in America...installation of an illegitimate pro-Communist China puppet, a shameful retreat from Afghanistan...

https://www.theepochtimes.com/philippines-tells-china-to-back-off-in-south-china-sea_4110753.html/?utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=TheLibertyDaily (https://www.theepochtimes.com/philippines-tells-china-to-back-off-in-south-china-sea_4110753.html/?utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=TheLibertyDaily)

Of course they are feeling emboldened!

I would start firing warning shots.
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on December 17, 2021, 09:04:17 AM
(https://cms.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/belt%20and%20road_1.jpg)

Although the United States has refused to cooperate with China and sign any memorandum of understanding to implement BRI projects, that has not stopped China from altering their strategy to bypass federal-level policy. China is quite adaptable and realized that the co-opting of subnational, local, and state-level elites can yield many of the same benefits that come from national BRI deals. Much like a common thief may reason, they are no longer using the front door and have resorted to breaking in through the back. The party uses its United Front proxies, which are often disguised as peaceful non-governmental organizations or community groups, to lobby local officials to allow bids by Chinese state-owned or affiliated contractors for various infrastructure projects within their districts. Many of these bids have been successful and have even expanded into attempts to bid on federal-level projects. This strategy has allowed China to increase their leverage over American infrastructure, effectively holding American companies and public utilities at ransom over Chinese demands. You can think of it as either a kill-switch or a coercive economic tool. In an act of war, what is stopping China from covertly altering the speed of your subway cars to affect physical harm? They can also utilize the infrastructure projects to halt US exports and goods in the unsuspecting event of a canal or bridge coincidentally not working properly at the right moment.

The presence of Chinese digital firms in our society also poses serious risks for data privacy, as we know the CCP exploits data to further their repressive campaigns of wiping out any and all dissent domestically and abroad. All Chinese firms are required to abide by China’s new national security law, which forces companies to hand over data to authorities at any moment, with no course of due process. China has also ingrained in their constitution the policy of civil-military fusion, which requires that specifications for any project, especially physical infrastructure such as ports and bridges, must be aligned with the People’s Liberation Army’s needs. Therefore, we have to realize that we are no longer dealing with the typical trappings of Western investment and development. We are in a new era where the CCP expands their influence and power via the aforementioned zero-sum mentality that they publicly lambast other nations for perpetuating.
Alongside increased US Government attention and pushback, corporate America needs to effectively make decisions that are best not only for its shareholders, but for the American people. China’s long-term capture of corporate elites has made this strategy difficult to implement, but it’s necessary. The American worker deserves a whole-of-society approach to ensuring that they are free to do business and keep their intellectual property in safe hands. The CCP has long convinced US businesses to invest in China for its expansive market access. However, that does not mean that the CCP prioritizes pro-business relationships above all, as we have seen with its destructive policies globally. They have provided a “carrot” for short-term gains, and then utilized their nefarious “stick” of economic leverage to fulfill their own geopolitical goals. Above all, Americans must know that the survival of the party is their first and foremost goal. We have seen what the CCP does to its own national champions, such as Alibaba and Tencent, when the party feels as if its grip on power becomes questionable.

The old mentality of changing China to become a responsible stakeholder in the global environment was idealistic, yet it has proven to be a false hope. We must deal with the China that is in front of us, and not with the one in which we hope for them to become. Americans must prioritize their own independence by ensuring that our critical technologies and infrastructure are no longer at the risk of being leveraged for our adversaries’ political and economic advantage. This strategy will only work if our country’s increasingly dysfunctional and paid-for legislators mandate that corporate America cannot engage in transactions and investments with Chinese entities which were created to destroy American dominance in the financial and currency markets. Capital market restrictions must be put into place, as we know that a large portion of CCP revenue comes from unwitting pensioners and fund investors. The BRI is, by far, the greatest geopolitical and societal challenge to the American way of life. We no longer have the option of staying silent and praying for a different outcome or a pacified Beijing. The evidence of the CCP’s intentions is laid out among the global catastrophes it has caused; and as we know from the COVID-19 pandemic, global issues eventually come to our doorstep. As a result, corporate America must be forced to take America’s side in this long strategic challenge.
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/populace-hostages-corporate-americas-advancement-chinas-belt-and-road (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/populace-hostages-corporate-americas-advancement-chinas-belt-and-road)

A direct indictment of the complete folly of The Kissinger Doctrine.  All correct, but also I fear effectively impossible to reverse at this point sans a Trumpian overhaul of our entire national legal statutes governing economic activity and corporate conduct.
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on January 05, 2022, 08:31:17 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-blasts-us-claim-its-expanding-nuclear-arsenal-false-says-stop-using-satellite (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-blasts-us-claim-its-expanding-nuclear-arsenal-false-says-stop-using-satellite)

Wind generators?

https://youtu.be/8nvuEw9XcuU (https://youtu.be/8nvuEw9XcuU)

Well, I'm sure the woke psychos we got now had that coming...

But nobody has added more than China and only am imbecile would see them stopping...
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: patentlymn on January 05, 2022, 05:20:55 PM

I recall China bought up large portions of land on either end of the Panama canal. There is no difference between Chinese commercial and military. The commercial aspects serve the party as much as the military.
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on January 06, 2022, 08:10:53 AM
Always been that way...it's how their Belt and Road/String of Pearls strategic goals and military/economic goals of global dominance are advanced.

As always...the too-smart-for-our-own-good crowd...and principally I mean Kissinger and then most all who followed...seduced big business with the profits of opening Red Chinese markets to American goods...but then it became a flood of cheap-labor goods made over there and dumped here...and the seduction turned into betrayal of the American economic independence that enriched the whales and left scraps for the baitfish...and in the baitfish many thought it was OK since all the crap they bought was so cheap...

Good bye economic independence, goodbye strategic advantage, goodbye trade balance, and goodbye economic, fiscal and monetary sanity...
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on January 07, 2022, 09:05:26 AM
Chi-Com's strengthen a key pearl in their string...

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/china-secures-foothold-strategic-middle-east-oil-state (https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/china-secures-foothold-strategic-middle-east-oil-state)

Energy, PG/Arabian Sea proximity to US Navy...oh yeah...
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on January 18, 2022, 08:29:06 AM
Rogue regimes keeping batshyt-crazy death-worshippers afloat makes one ask an obvious question - why would anybody trust such a government in any agreement?

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/flouting-sanctions-iran-says-oil-sales-have-enjoyed-staggering-rise-over-past-year (https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/flouting-sanctions-iran-says-oil-sales-have-enjoyed-staggering-rise-over-past-year)

Criticize sanctions in general and it excuses letting the truly insane do unspeakable things...I can respect specific case arguments against the wisdom of sanctions but in the case of the mad Mahdi theocrats of Iran and their pursuit of nuclear weapons...you let this happen and your arguments lose all meaning.  If not Iran, who?  Nuclear blackmail cannot be appeased, condoned or allowed.  Yet regimes prop them up, and it is completely unsane.  There is inescapable and horrific consequences for those allying with such evil.
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on January 20, 2022, 09:39:45 AM
Once again the Code Pinko's have it all wrong...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-has-stepped-aircraft-carrier-deployments-south-china-sea (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-has-stepped-aircraft-carrier-deployments-south-china-sea)

...it isn't "stepped up" morons...it is getting back to normal...

We've had half the carrier force down for PIA/DPIA/RCOH...and 2-3 are coming out of it during this year...the Reagan is forward-deployed to roll out at any time to patrol the Western Pacific...and Amphib ships are not "carriers", they resemble them but they carry Marines...mostly troops with VTOL F-35's, Osprey's and helo's for support/transport...not the same as a carrier and its air-wing.

God these people are insufferable boobs!

As for Chi-Com's and their J-20...

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/how-good-chinas-j-20-stealth-fighter-jet (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/how-good-chinas-j-20-stealth-fighter-jet)

...stealth only from the front is not true stealth and easily countered...so the real question is how eager are they to engage and lose some?
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on February 15, 2022, 08:53:29 AM
The State Department told Congress that the US plans to open an embassy in the Solomon Islands before China becomes "strongly embedded" in the South Pacific nation.

(https://assets.zerohedge.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_mobile/public/inline-images/solomonmap.jpg)

In its notification to Congress, the State Department said China had been "utilizing a familiar pattern of extravagant promises, prospective costly infrastructure loans, and potentially dangerous debt levels," when engaging with political and business leaders from the Solomon Islands.

In November, the Solomon Islands was rocked by massive demonstrations and riots that were said to be partially motivated by the islands’ increasing ties with Beijing, and rioters reportedly targeted Chinese-owned businesses.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-open-embassy-solomon-islands-counter-china (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-open-embassy-solomon-islands-counter-china)

Sounds like China was treating them like Japan treated the Chinese back before WWII...

Ironic.

Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on April 29, 2022, 09:17:43 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-nuclear-strategy-very-bad-place-china-and-russia-expert (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-nuclear-strategy-very-bad-place-china-and-russia-expert)

Hardly new news...Russia been upgrading...but the Chi-Com's have been upgrading and building up for decades...

Chi-Com's are the real external threat...but nothing more can be done to check that until the threat within is addressed by Americans...

And no, no expanded NATO into the Pacific...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/uk-wants-global-nato-capable-defending-pacific (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/uk-wants-global-nato-capable-defending-pacific)

...Boris Johnson must be drinking in the morning again...do Quad +, not sure who else would join or if those in would listen to a corrupt American government...heck, India is a BRICS member and gravitating closer to Russia and China thanks to The Steal...whole mole are they?
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on May 23, 2022, 02:42:40 PM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-announces-13-nation-indo-pacific-economic-pact-counter-chinas-influence-region (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-announces-13-nation-indo-pacific-economic-pact-counter-chinas-influence-region)

Uhh huh...

Well, figures Marxists want to revive the TPP...both Obamao and his jello-headed puppet JoeFraud love ChiCom's...

And I personally would not belong to anything that has like-minded lock-down autocrats like Australia & New Zealand in it....the former are going to hell (going from a lockdown PM to a Greenazi) and the latter is also hostile to Liberty and a bunch of pacifistic pansies to boot...

 ::asskicking::

Check out this Julie stormtrooperette telling WEF oligarchs what they want to hear...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/freedom-speech-needs-recalibration-aussie-commissioner-sparks-outrage-wef (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/freedom-speech-needs-recalibration-aussie-commissioner-sparks-outrage-wef)

I agree whole-heartedly with THAG Tweet...   ::doublebird::

And I would tell the good people this trash is targeting for enslavement to recalibrate their minds to the despotic designs of these assholes and to recalibrate their scopes accordingly!!!
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on June 01, 2022, 12:26:47 PM
This is nothing new...ChiCom's have been doing their String of Pearls and Belt and Road stuff a long damn time...but apparently someone didn't know and discovered it for the first time...

Anyway, always  a good refresher...

(https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/China-Strategy-in-Pacific-2.jpg)

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/06/exclusive-first-blow-struck-chinas-plan-destroy-u-s-indo-pacific-defense-strategy/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/06/exclusive-first-blow-struck-chinas-plan-destroy-u-s-indo-pacific-defense-strategy/)

And the puking-dog commies getting butthurt over a Japanese effort that pales in comparison to the massive artificial island manufacturing they are doing!  Rich!

They can go screw themselves and die...for the greater good, naturally...

These are the asscowns we should be waging multiple front contests with...nobody is more dangerous...though the Mahdi Death Cultists in Iran will jump up to a solid #2 (and #1 on any given day) should those psychotics have nukes...

Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: patentlymn on June 01, 2022, 12:44:16 PM

The Chinese get some return on their investments. The US gets nothing. What return do we get from the recent $40B said to be for Ukraine? Most is for the US state dept and to replenish previously sent weapons to Ukraine. Only $6B for weapons and training for Ukraine.
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on June 01, 2022, 12:53:47 PM
Well, for now...China is buying people off now to sign deals...a time will come when the smart start playing the field...then the Chinese can do what the CIA can only dream about now...snuff people into compliance...

Americans got lazy...figured tech was all that is needed, HUMINT a relic of the past...but not every target is drone-worthy...

(Cough) Sen. Swalwell honeytrap! (Cough)
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: patentlymn on June 01, 2022, 03:47:46 PM
Well, for now...China is buying people off now to sign deals...a time will come when the smart start playing the field...then the Chinese can do what the CIA can only dream about now...snuff people into compliance...

Americans got lazy...figured tech was all that is needed, HUMINT a relic of the past...but not every target is drone-worthy...

(Cough) Sen. Swalwell honeytrap! (Cough)

Swalwell was infiltrated when a city council member? A low position. How many others at low levels?
The Chinese are clever.
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on June 01, 2022, 04:09:55 PM
Well, for now...China is buying people off now to sign deals...a time will come when the smart start playing the field...then the Chinese can do what the CIA can only dream about now...snuff people into compliance...

Americans got lazy...figured tech was all that is needed, HUMINT a relic of the past...but not every target is drone-worthy...

(Cough) Sen. Swalwell honeytrap! (Cough)

Swalwell was infiltrated when a city council member? A low position. How many others at low levels?
The Chinese are clever.

I thought the swallow was still hanging around while he was a Senator, but, whatever...get your claws in early...hit 'em with extortion later...

CIA would rather jack around with satellites and intel balloons and Hoover citizen data and lob a cruise missile or drone a bastard...their fieldcraft as far as I can tell is limited to advisors in various theaters and wining and dining thugs and buying mercs to do anything on the ground (Blackwater or whatever those assclowns call themselves now)...

Bunch of cubical-riding arm-chair gameboys...
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on June 27, 2022, 09:36:05 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-delivers-advanced-frigate-pakistan-navy (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-delivers-advanced-frigate-pakistan-navy)

Here's hoping the defects are persistent and disabling!   ::beertoast::

OK, onto other stupid news...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/g7-unveils-600-billion-global-infrastructure-plan-counter-chinas-belt-and-road (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/g7-unveils-600-billion-global-infrastructure-plan-counter-chinas-belt-and-road)

 ::hysterical::

Might as well set it on fire...heck, people will need something to burn when it turns cold again!

These folks you're trying to bribe...already have a master in most cases...but they'll take your money and flash their ass at you!  At least, that's what they should do...we'll see how many get duped...

See this?  This is brilliant, the Marxist thinks he can dupe others like he dupes his own...

(https://theconservativetreehouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Leftist-democrat-woke-progressive.jpg)
The artwork perfectly encapsulates the G7 policy announcement made by Joe Biden earlier today:


(1) To increase dependency and control the third-world population the G7 will finance a vaccine manufacturing facility in Senegal.  The breeding of the brown people must be controlled – climate change policy demands it.

(2) To control the optics of the third-world complaining about it, the G7 will mobilize $335 million in private capital to control the communication systems in Africa, Asia, and Latin America.  The brown people must not discover the nature of their exploitation; and the citizens within the G7 nations must not find out their government is exploiting the brown people. Wouldn’t look good.

(3) The United States will spend $50 million over five years to support gender equity in the developing world increasing the friction between brown women and brown men, while ignoring cultural differences and forcing the social ideology of the West upon them.  And finally….

(4) The G7, fearing third-world instability and anger from the brown people that could disrupt their supply chains, the U.S. and Western nations will now seek to increase their control of mining for mineral deposits needed for G7 batteries – and will fund more railroads and ports to export the critical material to the West more quickly.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/06/26/the-modern-democrat-voter/ (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/06/26/the-modern-democrat-voter/)

Fracking insane all around!
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on September 19, 2022, 10:58:19 AM
LOL, color revolutions.  Yeah, if anybody is going to lead mayhem, it's got to be the Xi & Pu, eh?

Xi said, "we need to uphold multilateralism. Obsession with forming a small circle can only push the world toward division and confrontation."

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/chinas-xi-strong-regional-alliance-will-thwart-color-revolutions (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/chinas-xi-strong-regional-alliance-will-thwart-color-revolutions)

 ::hysterical::

Panda talk out his ass!

What do you call BRICs & SCO?  Not circles?  What, squares...cuboids?  Y'all ain't making clubs and creating divisions? 

 ::bus::

You regional pals...your masters are warning you to be loyal vassals...got it?  No multilateralism for thee!!!

Pant, pant...good doggie!

 ::laughonfloor::
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: patentlymn on September 19, 2022, 12:02:54 PM

I did not follow this speech or understand it.
I have been following some more geo politics.
I heard that a high level goal of US govt is to keep other regional hegemons from getting bigger and ideally becoming weaker. These include Russia, China, and maybe Germany.
I listen to Brian Berletic on The New Atlas. He describes how the US uses US funded NGOs to weaken countries who are too friendly with China or Russia. He focuses on SE Asia.

These "color revolutions" are often US funded through local branches of NGOs. They fund protests, then violent protests, then hopefully regime change. The 2014 coup in Ukraine is a good example that the US govt funded with billions of dollars.  Brian said that the National Endowment for Democracy does what the CIA used to do. The NED in Thailand is working to change the Thai constitution because the US govt does not like it. I recall that there was an attempt at regime change/coup in Azerbaijan a couple years ago, likely funded by the US. That country was apparently getting too friendly with Russia. Russia swept in, ended the attempt, then left.

Hungary is not on board with the anti Russia sanctions so there are attempts at regime change now by the EU and US. Currently mostly with holding EU funds until Hungary changes their policies or the govt.



Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on September 19, 2022, 12:35:49 PM
EU is going to be more effed than the US...small consolation I know, but whatever, it is what it is...

And as always I find it hilarious when people see differences in hegemons...thus my mirth at the "warning" to the small Asian "partners" not to stray...

Red Team/Blue Team...blah blah blah...

Don't care.

All I care about is not being sucked into eithers insanity...

But, I'm too used to being not surprised by the depravity greed and stupidity of others...and planning accordingly as best I am able...
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: patentlymn on September 19, 2022, 02:42:47 PM

I only recently learned of the US efforts to weaken countries too friendly to Russia or China.
I got criticized for saying America bad. That was not my point. I expected some to say that we did not do that.
If it helps America you can argue that is good even if the smaller countries get screwed.
I am thinking it hurts the US. I sure could be wrong.

There was a public RAND publication on how to weaken and degrade Russia doing things that have now happened including using Ukraine. The newer RAND paper was apparently fake.

The New Atlas guys said the US tried to undermine the Laos HS rail built by China. China first had to remove unexploded ordinance and mines left by the US. You can bet the Chinese milked that propaganda for all it was worth!

China seems to be eating our lunch around the world. Lavrov recently went to Africa and received a warm welcome. Blinken not so much. It could be total BS but much of Africa remembers USSR/Russia as supporting their wars of liberation and the west as evil colonizers.

Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on September 19, 2022, 04:39:49 PM
Everybody had their Cold War champion and looks fondly upon them...everybody sought to destabilize the others' vassals...everybody has nasty taint and blood on their hands...no saints all sinners...

People like denying that too...figure their champion's pooh don't stink and they'd never betray them...

Ha!

Of course Rand is fake, they're left-wing loons...same with Brookings...it's just Rand was a convert from Neo-Con...latter largely scattered in CFR...

Whatever...

I despise them all regardless of name and what nominal borders they dwell...
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on October 13, 2022, 12:34:08 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/10/u-s-real-estate-industry-infiltrated-used-facilitate-chinese-espionage/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/10/u-s-real-estate-industry-infiltrated-used-facilitate-chinese-espionage/)

No different than Japanese loyalists in Oahu before Pearl Harbor...and the Chi-Com's are gobbling up stuff near US bases everywhere...farmland...tech corridors...everywhere...

And their MIC really got a boost from spies running rampant in Clinton & Obama years...

But hey, as went Rome...
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on October 18, 2022, 09:24:24 AM
So, would this become BRICSs?

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/10/17/south-africa-confirms-likelihood-of-saudi-arabia-joining-brics-economic-alliance/

It would be a coup of massive proportions if SA joined, but it would likely cause more conflict to immediately break out in the Persian Gulf IMO.

And I have a hard time seeing Iran joining, they like their rogue status too much, and since they and the House of Saud are religious enemies not sure how that could work...as for Argentina...well, who cares.  Funny nobody talks about Venezuela...guess they have room enough for only one economic basket case in South Africa...why I like to list their club as BRICs with a small "s"...

IMO if SA joins, I could see an immediate pounce on Iran.
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on October 20, 2022, 11:56:38 AM
Any break with the Saudi's and leaving them for the Russians...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nopec-bill-moves-senate-floor (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nopec-bill-moves-senate-floor)

...to be kicked aside until after the elections/false flag-order 66/WWIII...

Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on October 28, 2022, 09:59:30 AM
Well, they've been toying around with the technology for 11 years...

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/us-military-conducts-successful-hypersonic-weapons-experiments-virginia (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/us-military-conducts-successful-hypersonic-weapons-experiments-virginia)

...they'd be lucky to have something fielded in 2023...but doubt early enough to come into play if things go monkey-pooh around the globe...
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on November 01, 2022, 09:28:52 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/dangerous-escalation-us-deploy-six-nuclear-capable-b-52-bombers-australia (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/dangerous-escalation-us-deploy-six-nuclear-capable-b-52-bombers-australia)

Dangerous escalation?  Snort!

Grow up!  If you cannot see a lumbering BUFF coming at you from afar, fine...wet your robes...

An "escalation" would be B-1 Lancer deployments...a "dangerous escalation" would be a B-2 Spirit deployment.

All 3 have been rotated in Guam since 2004 or so...

B-2's rarely leave the shelter of Whiteman AFB.

B-52's normally based at Eglin, Minot & Barksdale.

B-1's normally based at Dyess & Ellsworth.
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on November 06, 2022, 11:50:46 AM
Yeah, static display...

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/china-shows-stealth-fighter-jet-first-public-ground-display (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/china-shows-stealth-fighter-jet-first-public-ground-display)

...because any kinetic display is likely to be about as impotent as sailing an aircraft carrier without aircraft...

 ::hysterical::
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on November 10, 2022, 09:16:51 AM
Not surprising...

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/china-revises-military-doctrine-focus-troop-deployments-overseas (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/china-revises-military-doctrine-focus-troop-deployments-overseas)

...the purpose of their String of Pearls was always going to result in populating them with forces.  Need manpower and equipment to project power...otherwise all you have is vacation property...
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on November 21, 2022, 08:56:56 AM
LOL, India coders have it so the Rus blast a Chi-Com vessel!

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-defense-promotional-film-shows-military-plane-blowing-chinese-warship (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-defense-promotional-film-shows-military-plane-blowing-chinese-warship)

 ::hysterical::
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on December 01, 2022, 11:31:39 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/military/pentagon-china-could-have-1500-nukes-2035 (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/pentagon-china-could-have-1500-nukes-2035)

Yeah, good luck negotiating a nuke treaty with the CCP...

Plan on the invasion of Taiwan...if y'all's woke crap allows that sort of thing any more...
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on February 05, 2023, 10:29:48 AM
Better late then never?  We'll see...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-open-4-new-sites-philippines-accelerating-pivot-asia (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-open-4-new-sites-philippines-accelerating-pivot-asia)

...the Euro distraction in Ukraine is wasting resources at a psychotic pace...
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on February 19, 2023, 01:51:30 PM
The original axis of evil...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/escobar-raisi-beijing-iran-china-strategic-plans-go-full-throttle (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/escobar-raisi-beijing-iran-china-strategic-plans-go-full-throttle)

...always been there, just not in the shadows any longer.
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on April 27, 2023, 11:05:26 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/after-being-first-g-7-belt-road-signatory-italy-under-meloni-mulls-pulling-out (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/after-being-first-g-7-belt-road-signatory-italy-under-meloni-mulls-pulling-out)

I really see no advantage to Italy in being a vassal of China...given who the Red Panda has already got chained down...
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on May 01, 2023, 06:54:06 PM
Alright, a big war that makes more sense than the Ukraine sh*t-show!

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-says-it-will-defend-philippine-boats-against-chinese-threats (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-says-it-will-defend-philippine-boats-against-chinese-threats)

Smoke those expansionist red devils!
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on May 08, 2023, 10:04:16 AM
This clown is wrong all over the place...

https://twitter.com/Kanthan2030/status/1655019745115262976

First, Ukraine is a sh*tshow that should be a Euro-only affair not involving legitimate US security in any way...it is a security issue only for corrupt UniParty trash...opposing Chi-Com schemes in the Pacific Rim however is a legitimate US security issue and a foe deserving our fullest attention possible...

Second, "Republican's" are NOT "insanely anti-Chinese...have you no knowledge of McConnell, Thune, Romney et al?  The benefit from schemes in Ukraine and selling out America to the Chi-Com's every bit as much as the Demoscats!

Third, leveraging off the above...Cucks are also insanely anti-Russia.

Fourth, your ludicrous assertion as to Dem/Rep tag-team wars is a joke...for one thing the nation will not survive another one of The Kenyan's puppets...if America as a nation survives to January 2025 I'd be surprised...survive another 4 years of this suicidal sh*t - no chance whatsoever!...and lastly, what in the experience of 2020 and 2022 elections gives you any basis for any "republican" (let alone one worth a damn!) can be "elected"?

It just gets worse after that...Japan in NATO?...OK, we have a true idiot somebody finds interesting...sure as heck is on my list of idiots to mock!
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on May 09, 2023, 01:10:09 PM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/italys-meloni-pull-trigger-belt-road-exit-major-blow-china (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/italys-meloni-pull-trigger-belt-road-exit-major-blow-china)

Will those saying a pivot from West to East is OK be OK with the reverse happening, or will they find reason to belittle it and be exposed as hypocrites pretending at being for self-determination?

 ::whatgives::
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: patentlymn on May 09, 2023, 02:23:35 PM

China gave a lot to Italy. A lot of COVID-19. I recall there was a city with lots of Chinese immigrant sweat shops making high end leather purses. That way the purses could say "Made in Italy." I think the Chinese returned from the annual Chinese New Year visit home and brought covid with them.
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: patentlymn on May 09, 2023, 02:33:48 PM
from the link

(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/MfTbSfOtEDB6G869Frmqew--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTk2MDtoPTUzNTtjZj13ZWJw/https://media.zenfs.com/en/bloomberg_politics_602/10ed5709ee7da02a93ddba3a5bc252e3)
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on May 10, 2023, 07:46:26 AM
The Chi-Com's have to come out on top on everything or they get petulant, belligerent and if that doesn't work simply buy out (think hostile takeover) impediments to their schemes.
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on June 01, 2023, 10:55:06 AM
The CCP is engaged in conducting terrorist and other criminal operations on US soil...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/republicans-call-action-china-turns-us-hunting-ground-dissidents (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/republicans-call-action-china-turns-us-hunting-ground-dissidents)

...if the Praetorians spent more time addressing this clear threat instead of persecuting political enemies and covering for the sins of their puppets...we would have a functioning nation...

...if some of these criminals started being found dead under mysterious circumstances it would be an effective deterrent!
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on June 20, 2023, 01:29:57 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/06/chinese-troops-coming-americas-doorstep-communist-china-working/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/06/chinese-troops-coming-americas-doorstep-communist-china-working/)

Expect the handlers of the illegitimate demented puppet to be totally OK with this...
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on June 26, 2023, 02:14:55 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/06/blinken-refuses-say-if-us-will-do-anything/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/06/blinken-refuses-say-if-us-will-do-anything/)

Nailed it.  This is what "OK" looks like.
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: patentlymn on June 26, 2023, 02:48:02 PM

I heard that the Russians  or USSR had some electronic snooping base in Cuba but abandoned it. The Chinese took it over? Now the Chinese will expand it?
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on June 27, 2023, 08:15:43 AM
Anything abandoned would have quickly been poached and left to rot...but Chi-Com's don't care what they have to spend to put whatever they like there...
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on August 21, 2023, 12:07:53 PM
The expansionist totalitarian devils keep turning Asia and the South China Sea in particular into a inevitable battlespace...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-rapidly-building-airstrip-disputed-island-close-vietnam (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-rapidly-building-airstrip-disputed-island-close-vietnam)

Be a shame if a DEW, er I mean natural disaster were to befall the little devils...

/
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on October 11, 2023, 12:38:49 PM
https://news.usni.org/2023/10/03/3-dead-after-fishing-boat-rammed-near-scarborough-shoal-philippine-coast-guard-says

I would go all-in on it being Chi-Com bastards again...

Start sinking their ships, see how they like it.
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on December 04, 2023, 01:52:25 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12823829/China-accuses-U-S-illegally-intruding-waters.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12823829/China-accuses-U-S-illegally-intruding-waters.html)

Qù ni' de

Translation -  ::effu::
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on January 18, 2024, 12:54:50 PM
IMO these bastards could not hope to do what they claim without having stolen our technology to make it happen...so either they are admitting their thievery or they are lying to people...

https://www.naturalnews.com/2024-01-17-chinese-naval-vessels-penetrate-us-radar-systems.html (https://www.naturalnews.com/2024-01-17-chinese-naval-vessels-penetrate-us-radar-systems.html)
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on March 08, 2024, 08:43:35 AM
Really getting tired of these MFing Chi-Com bastards...

(https://media.gab.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=568,quality=100,fit=scale-down/system/media_attachments/files/159/983/306/original/db2e1abb9a943f17.png)H/T-WRSA@GAB

And it's worse...

They are spreading all sorts of society-destroying trash on their commie-rat-bastard app, and spying on you while you use it.  They are exploiting the ignorance of our youth.

They're spying on us...putting killer satellites in orbit (gosh, I wonder who is their target?), exploiting Biden's open border insanity...

And they are still very active in stealing our tech -

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/ex-google-engineer-arrested-charged-stealing-ai-trade-secrets-china (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/ex-google-engineer-arrested-charged-stealing-ai-trade-secrets-china)

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/chinese-american-who-allegedly-stole-us-missile-detection-technology-was-part-ccps (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/chinese-american-who-allegedly-stole-us-missile-detection-technology-was-part-ccps)

Russia isn't our problem, they are Europe's problem...our problem is the MFing commie Chinese and the Quislings supporting them here and the fools distracted by Euro-Rus BS!
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on March 08, 2024, 01:51:36 PM
More Chi-Com hostility to address!

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/03/worrisome-devices-discovered-chinese-made-cranes-use-us/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/03/worrisome-devices-discovered-chinese-made-cranes-use-us/)

These clowns really are begging for an ass-kicking!
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: patentlymn on March 08, 2024, 03:01:08 PM

meanwhile, US DOJ went after SpaceX for only hiring US citizens.
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on March 11, 2024, 10:04:42 AM

meanwhile, US DOJ went after SpaceX for only hiring US citizens.

Sh!tbag corrupt DOJ, eh?

What would be a truly American response to those douchebag renegade pricks?

https://youtu.be/ssC77hapv0g
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: Libertas on March 27, 2024, 09:09:12 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/chinas-unrestricted-warfare-it-here-already (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/chinas-unrestricted-warfare-it-here-already)

I agree, but alas we, under corrupt politicians and corrupt DeepState neer-do-wells are not postured to fight the damned Commie Dragon...we need to purge and retool, cut loose the doomed NATO anchor, GTFO of sh*tholes like Ukraine & Syria and act like we are in an existential fight with our principle adversary like real American's used to.

And, we need a full reversal of current business & economic focus - https://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,19287.new.html#new (https://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,19287.new.html#new)
Title: Re: ChiCom ground sat in Aus tracks US and AUS ships ...
Post by: patentlymn on March 27, 2024, 10:14:58 AM

I did not read it. Did they actually do something? I mean, did something get physically harmed?