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Title: NCAA politics bites
Post by: Libertas on November 04, 2015, 07:58:17 AM
Pathetic.  Nothing new under the sun, but still, what a joke.

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I have no horse in this race so I like to think myself objective...

Alabama & Notre Dame with loses ahead of Baylor, MSU, TCU & Iowa?  And Memphis & OK St should be higher as well.  And undefeated Toledo and Houston being shoved that low below all those 2 lose teams seems a bit harsh, I bet either one could kick Northwestern's butt.

Oh well, nothing worth getting too worked up over, a complaint of luxury and that's about it...
Title: Re: NCAA politics bites
Post by: ToddF on November 04, 2015, 09:07:35 AM
This Iowegian isn't going to worry too much.  If we win out, we'd be in the top 4.  Because winning out would require us to beat either Michigan State or Ohio State in the Big 10 Championship.

Teams up there will have to start playing each other, sooner or later.
Title: Re: NCAA politics bites
Post by: Libertas on November 04, 2015, 11:24:16 AM
Yup, I could see OSU, Mich St & Mich beating each other senseless, the survivor limping into the B10 final and Iowa upsetting them.

Title: Re: NCAA politics bites
Post by: ToddF on November 04, 2015, 03:45:38 PM
One WILL be undefeated.  Then OSU or MSU WILL be in the top 4, guaranteed.  If an undefeated Iowa then knocks off the champion of that division, Iowa will have to be in the top 4.

Baylor and TCU are to play, I believe, and also OSU.  The winner of all that will be in the top 4 if still undefeated.

Clemson did beat Notre Dame, so they'd deserve it, if undefeated.

If LSU wins out, they'd deserve it.

I don't have too many problem with this.  Now if Iowa won out and got screwed out by Notre Dame or Alabama...   ::pullhair::

But I don't think Iowa will win out.  They usually do choke one they shouldn't.  I'll call it.  At Indiana. 
Title: Re: NCAA politics bites
Post by: AmericanPatriot on November 04, 2015, 05:06:43 PM
Notre Dame is, probably, over-rated
Title: Re: NCAA politics bites
Post by: Libertas on November 05, 2015, 06:52:58 AM
Alabama really hasn't played anybody up to this point, that will change with them facing off this week, and I suspect that is part of the reason these idiots snuck Alabama into the top 4, to manufacture more hype for the big match with the visiting Tigers.  It would be big anyway, but I suspect the more they can hype it up the more they can suck out of advertisers.

TCU and OK St also face off and I know both have a date with Baylor, so one of those will float up.

Clemson hosts FSU and that could be a better game than people think.  And I would love it if Pittsburgh tagged Notre Dame with a second loss, but if the can't Stanford at the end could, and if Stanford wins out they could put pressure on any other remaining 1 loss teams.

And if Baylor wins out with the teams left on its plate there is no way they are left out.

Florida could be a spoiler in the SEC, but it will be tough for any to knock LSU down.  We'll know more after Saturday.

PS-I hope you are off in your call on Iowa, MNHawk...if they lose I hope it is only against Minnesota.   :D



Title: Re: NCAA politics bites
Post by: AlanS on November 05, 2015, 08:24:55 PM
Just a thought. Sometimes it's easy to stay undefeated when the toughest team you've played so far is the Sister Mary School of the Blind.
Title: Re: NCAA politics bites
Post by: Libertas on November 09, 2015, 07:03:54 AM
Well crap, they ginned up the match and sure enough Alabama finally beat "somebody" and back in the mix they go.  Looks like the Baylor/OK St winner will resolve the fourth spot...notwithstanding league championship upsets.
Title: Re: NCAA politics bites
Post by: ToddF on November 09, 2015, 08:15:54 AM
Well, shows what I know.  They beat Indiana.  Now all of a sudden, Nebraska looks like a tough game.

If Nebraska could take both MSU and Iowa out of the picture, despite their bad season...   ::thinking::
Title: Re: NCAA politics bites
Post by: Libertas on November 09, 2015, 10:11:15 AM
Not giving the Gophers any shot in Iowa City, eh?

Our QB (finally!) is playing well past few weeks...if they can keep it close...who knows?

But I wouldn't bet my bottom dollar on an upset...

but at least our season isn't Missouri-stupid!
Title: Re: NCAA politics bites
Post by: ToddF on November 09, 2015, 10:33:31 AM
Not at home, I don't.

Yeller rodents haven't won at Iowa since 1999.

Last year

Iowa 51 Minnesota 14

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Title: Re: NCAA politics bites
Post by: Libertas on November 09, 2015, 11:17:57 AM
How did you guys manage to avoid hard B10 teams this year?  You beat WI & NW, but we had to be abused by then #2 TCU, then #15 Michigan, then #16 NW, #3 OSU and now #9 yous guyz!  You won't have a tough match up until the B10 Championship game.

It's not fair, must be racist!  I demand an investigation and somebody innocent should resign for failing to obey my demands!

/
Title: Re: NCAA politics bites
Post by: ToddF on November 09, 2015, 12:06:13 PM
Wisconsin and Northwestern would still be 1 loss teams if not for Iowa.  It's not our fault Nebraska has pretty much sucked, this year. 
Title: Re: NCAA politics bites
Post by: Libertas on November 09, 2015, 12:08:06 PM
It is, it is your fault...you border their state more than we do.   ::pokeineye::   ;D
Title: Re: NCAA politics bites
Post by: Predator Don on November 09, 2015, 03:45:48 PM
TCU and Memphis lost. TCU couldn't stop a middle school from scoring. LSU isn't winning out, Alabama took care of it. They took the Heisman frontrunner and...well....Oklahoma state needs to be higher. Fla barely beat a bad Vanderbilt team. Couple other will sort themselves out once they play each other.

I'm not a Bama fan, far from it, but they deserve to be where they are. They took the loss to Ole Miss personally and I don't see anyone beating them again. Ohio State is defending champ, so no matter what I think of their schedule, they need to be there too.
Title: Re: NCAA politics bites
Post by: Libertas on November 10, 2015, 07:45:39 AM
Not a huge fan of Alabama either, but when you can basically snatch up the best talent in the country you should win a lot of games and be in a lot of big post-season action no matter how tough your conference is.  They are in and LSU is out, they don't have anybody tough on their schedule until the SEC Championship game and I don't see Florida upsetting them, might as well write them down in ink.  But they should not be ranked higher than Ohio State or Clemson as long as those two stay undefeated.  Clemson should win out but will have a tough match up with NC for the ACC Championship, an upset is possible but Clemson looks really strong to me.  Ohio State has @ IL, Mich St & @ Michigan and the latter two would love to upset them but OSU should be favored in all of them and would face Iowa in the B10 Championship, definitely the tougher overall road to navigate IMO.  The big wildcard is the B12.  Baylor has OK, @ OK St, @ TCU & TX left and those first three will be competitive, while OK St has @ IA St, Baylor & OK, so the road for Baylor looks tougher than OK St who gets two tough games at home.  And how would a one loss B12 team stack up against other 1 loss teams?  And then there is Notre Dame and Stanford lurking...with the game at the end of the season in Palo Alto deciding the fate of both.
Title: Re: NCAA politics bites
Post by: ToddF on November 11, 2015, 06:20:01 PM
1.Clemson
2.Alabama
3.Ohio St.
4.Notre Dame
5.Iowa
6.Baylor
7.Stanford
8.Oklahoma St.

Now if, and that's a big IF Baylor or Oklahoma State wins out, I don't see how you could screw them over by not one, but TWO one loss teams getting in ahead of them.

As for Iowa? 

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Title: Re: NCAA politics bites
Post by: Libertas on November 12, 2015, 07:00:21 AM
This is mostly politics until the only one that counts at the end of the regular season...

Like floating Alabama up I think they're floating Notre Dame and Iowa up to see how they respond to their new lofty status...it's almost as if they are daring them to live up to their status or choke on it.  The same principle in play for the B12 teams being on the outside looking in (they want them angry).  If either Baylor or OK St end undefeated they will be in, the only thing mucking that up is both being one loss teams at the end.  I would expect them to float Stanford higher going into that Notre Dame game so the hype around it can suck more greenbacks out of advertisers.

I would like to see the Gophers upset you guys, you'll be the third Top-5 team we've played this year and we've played those teams better than we played Northwestern or Nebraska for Cripes sake!!!

 ::)
Title: Re: NCAA politics bites
Post by: ToddF on November 12, 2015, 08:33:03 AM
7PM Saturday, Big Ten Network, Prime Time.

Bring it!
Title: Re: NCAA politics bites
Post by: AmericanPatriot on November 12, 2015, 03:45:26 PM
I think Alabama deserves to be there.
Notre Dame, not so much.

I root against Notre Dame every week (if I bother to pay attention)
Title: Re: NCAA politics bites
Post by: Libertas on November 16, 2015, 08:06:16 AM
7PM Saturday, Big Ten Network, Prime Time.

Bring it!

40-35   ::facepalm::

Did we at least put a scare in Hawkeye Nation?   ::whatgives::

Now we have to win out against IL & WI just to get a shot at a crappy bowl...and after being beaten and battered by Nebraska, Michigan, Ohio state and Iowa...frankly if the kids rolled over and died from mental and physical exhaustion I couldn't fault them...

Title: Re: NCAA politics bites
Post by: ToddF on November 16, 2015, 09:32:35 AM
No, because Iowa always had the upper hand.  Unlike OSU, which did trail in most of their game with the Clops, Iowa only let the rodents play match our touchdowns, early, before always being at least one score up.

 ::pokeineye::
Title: Re: NCAA politics bites
Post by: Libertas on November 16, 2015, 09:55:12 AM
 ::lalanotlistening::
Title: Re: NCAA politics bites
Post by: AmericanPatriot on November 22, 2015, 09:58:00 AM
Looks like Iowa will be moving up.
Guessing Clemson, Notre Dame, Iowa and Alabama (in no particular order)
Title: Re: NCAA politics bites
Post by: Libertas on November 22, 2015, 11:39:05 AM
Agreed.  Now let the one loss team debate begin.
Title: Re: NCAA politics bites
Post by: AmericanPatriot on November 22, 2015, 02:54:00 PM
I think I said above that I think Alabama deserves to be there.
Hoping ND gets pounded.

They may be undefeated but overrated
Title: Re: NCAA politics bites
Post by: ToddF on November 23, 2015, 07:10:54 AM
Now that we're down to two undefeateds, they'll be there if it was today.  I have no problem with Alabama and Notre Dame being the two one loss teams.  Notre Dame's only loss was a close loss to Clemson and Alabama has been on a tear since losing one early.

Iowa jumped Notre Dame in the journalist polls.    ::thinking::
Title: Re: NCAA politics bites
Post by: Libertas on November 23, 2015, 08:18:31 AM
Yeah, we'll see where the playoff ranking goes though.

For AP it is Clemson, Alabama, Iowa, Notre Dame...with OK, MSU, Baylor, OSU, OkSt & FL rounding out the top 10.

If Stanford upsets Notre Dame it opens the door for OK if they beat OkSt on their home turf going into Conference Playoffs.  I wouldn't mind seeing that happen.  And I think if Mich beats OSU at home and MSU dispatches PennSt at home then MSU wins the East and plays Iowa for the B10, so Iowa's work isn't done...they still have to beat Nebraska on their turf and then beat MSU or OSU in the B10 final to stay in the NCAA playoff hunt...

The ACC still looks like a Clemson/NC showdown and the SEC a Alabama/FL match up, and the favorites look strong in both.

The keylogs for those outside looking in are Iowa and Notre Dame.
Title: Re: NCAA politics bites
Post by: Libertas on November 30, 2015, 07:52:49 AM
Well, one keylog down, thanks to Stanford.   ::thumbsup::

The Iowa/MichSt winner will likely be the #4 seed, but if MichSt wins creating a bunch of 1 loss teams politics could raise their ugly head again, look how far Stanford jumped in the rankings.  The Committee does its thing tonight, but I don't see Clemson or Alabama losing their conference playoffs so the only debate is who the 4th team will be, and it should be the B10 champ.
Title: Re: NCAA politics bites
Post by: ToddF on November 30, 2015, 08:44:36 AM
No two loss team deserves it.  Period. 
Title: Re: NCAA politics bites
Post by: Libertas on November 30, 2015, 09:26:03 AM
Good luck to your Hawks...I think you'll need it...MichSt seems to be on a mission now.
Title: Re: NCAA politics bites
Post by: ToddF on November 30, 2015, 09:49:14 AM
Any of these teams are beatable.

I wouldn't bet on a one.
Title: Re: NCAA politics bites
Post by: Predator Don on November 30, 2015, 05:02:04 PM
Personally, I'm glad there is college football. Sundays pro games were difficult to watch. Used to be the refs were fairly consistent, but with all the sacks called personal fouls and the wide range of pass interference calls, the game isn't fun to watch anymore.
Title: Re: NCAA politics bites
Post by: Libertas on December 01, 2015, 07:35:19 AM
Personally, I'm glad there is college football. Sundays pro games were difficult to watch. Used to be the refs were fairly consistent, but with all the sacks called personal fouls and the wide range of pass interference calls, the game isn't fun to watch anymore.

The era of scripted drama and tutu's is fast approaching...
Title: Re: NCAA politics bites
Post by: AmericanPatriot on December 06, 2015, 05:59:31 AM
Sorry for the Hawkeyes.
I thought they had it in a hard fought game.
I dozed off before the final drive and was surprised, to say the least.

So, the four are Clemson, Oklahoma, Alabama and Michigan State?
Title: Re: NCAA politics bites
Post by: Libertas on December 06, 2015, 11:00:01 AM
Sorry for the Hawkeyes.
I thought they had it in a hard fought game.
I dozed off before the final drive and was surprised, to say the least.

So, the four are Clemson, Oklahoma, Alabama and Michigan State?

Should be.

Iowa may have been better off letting them score and save more time for them to do a final drive, but that is all hindsight and there is no guarantee even with more time on the clock they could have gotten it done, MSU tailback is just a Freshman but he was a beast.  NC got hosed on a phantom offside call on the first onside kick try that could have made things interesting, but shouldn't tarnish the fine effort Clemson made or the season they had going undefeated.  I would have no problem if the seeding is Clemson, Alabama, Oklahoma & Michigan State.
Title: Re: NCAA politics bites
Post by: ToddF on December 07, 2015, 11:07:40 AM
I guess we're just going to have to make due with the Rose Bowl.

Speaking of politics, moving MSU up to 3rd and dropping Oklahoma, didn't do MSU any favors.
Title: Re: NCAA politics bites
Post by: AmericanPatriot on January 01, 2016, 12:59:21 PM
Well, looks like the best two teams will play for the championship which is how it should be.

Clemson looked pretty good after making their half-time adjustments.

I don't see how anybody beat Alabama during the season.

If I had money on these games, mine would be on Alabama.
Touchdown favorite, they could p[lay a decent game against some NFL teams
Title: Re: NCAA politics bites
Post by: Predator Don on January 02, 2016, 10:51:24 AM
Iowa and Michigan St played a good game between each other.....but were far outmatched on the field. If you watched Ole Miss dismantle Oklahoma St, you can understand how they beat Alabama. Ole Miss has around 4 first rounders on their team.

I actually thought the SEC, other than Alabama, was a little down this year...until LSU, Auburn, Miss St, Ole Miss, Alabama and Tennessee destroyed their bowl opponents. A&M did lose a close one and Florida was trounced because they literally had no QB's left to play. I guess I will reserve judgment because Georgia takes on Penn St in a few minutes, should be a good game.
Title: Re: NCAA politics bites
Post by: AmericanPatriot on January 02, 2016, 10:54:47 AM
I'm supposed to be a Penn State fan but my disdain for them is only surpassed by my hatred for Notre Dame.

It was painful watching Michigan State and Iowa.
Iowa, I understand.

The Big Ten seldom wins the Rose Bowl.
It's part of the tradition
Title: Re: NCAA politics bites
Post by: ToddF on January 03, 2016, 03:10:01 PM
I remember back when I cared, Ed McCaffrey was a mainstay on fantasy football teams.  I think the boy is probably ready to go pro, even after only two years of school.
Title: Re: NCAA politics bites
Post by: Libertas on January 03, 2016, 06:53:30 PM
I agree, he could be a matchup nightmare in the NFL as a roving chess piece...sot receiver, back...returner.  And yes my FFL days go back to his dad...and Riggins and Thurman Thomas etc etc.

I had a blast watching these games, and watching young McCaffrey go off in a bowl game like that was something.  And he kept Barry Sanders Jr on the bench this season, just like Thurman Thomas kept his dad on the bench until he left Oklahoma State for the Bills.

And after all the hubbub, we have #1 & #2 playing in the national championship.

Hope Clemson can finish it off, Alabama has enough trophies.
Title: Re: NCAA politics bites
Post by: Predator Don on January 04, 2016, 12:56:48 PM
Well......Georgia won.....So did Arkansas. Clemson's offense better be good because the front 7 of Alabama looks dominate.