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Tech companies blacklisting right/alt-right sites ....
« on: August 20, 2017, 10:37:49 AM »
... purging them from the internet

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... In the announcement, Simon Rogers, data editor of Google News Labs, wrote:

    Now, with ProPublica, we are launching a new machine learning tool to help journalists covering hate news leverage this data in their reporting.

    The Documenting Hate News Index — built by the Google News Lab, data visualization studio Pitch Interactive and ProPublica — takes a raw feed of Google News articles from the past six months and uses the Google Cloud Natural Language API to create a visual tool to help reporters find news happening across the country. It’s a constantly-updating snapshot of data from this year, one which is valuable as a starting point to reporting on this area of news.

    The Documenting Hate project launched in response to the lack of national data on hate crimes. While the FBI is required by law to collect data about hate crimes, the data is incomplete because local jurisdictions aren't required to report incidents up to the federal government.

    All of which underlines the value of the Documenting Hate Project, which is powered by a number of different news organisations and journalists who collect and verify reports of hate crimes and events. Documenting Hate is informed by both reports from members of the public and raw Google News data of stories from across the nation.


... If the SPLC and ADL, with their (growing) list of "hate groups" is going to be the arbiter for approved online speech, we have reached a very scary place in this country. It will be the end of the Internet as we know it and America will be no better than totalitarian China and N. Korea.

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Re: Tech companies blacklisting right/alt-right sites ....
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2017, 12:05:44 PM »
This is a very big deal, and threatens Internet freedom.  The Daily Stormer was ejected from their domain name registrar and had to seek alternative domain names, all of which were also subsequently ejected by their registrars.

Forget for a moment who the Daily Stormer is and note that this is a situation where a handful of domain name registrars have decided, on their own prerogatives, who is allowed to have a website and who is not. How is this tolerable on an Internet that was built to be a public information superhighway?

I read some people tweeting about this, and they pointed out that one of the registration services who rejected the Daily Stormer, TUCOWS, has no problem at all providing the domain name for NAMBLA, the infamous group advocating for legalized pedophilia.

This is also troubling on another level, and that is governments bypassing restrictions on their own authority by having "private" entities do it instead. I've never seen Leftists become such ardent advocates for private property rights, but apparently when it comes to domain registrars banning individual sites the Left is in newfound love with the idea that the 1st Amendment doesn't apply to private companies.

The ability to host a website and participate in social media is now just as fundamental to every day commerce as having telephone and electrical service were, yet the former remain fully private while the latter were quickly declared public utilities.
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Re: Tech companies blacklisting right/alt-right sites ....
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2017, 08:15:03 PM »
I can't believe they can't get webhosting in some other country.  Or am I just missing something about how the intertubes work?

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« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2017, 08:57:07 PM »
From what I understand, the hosting hasn't been the problem it's the domain name registration.  Each top level domain (.com, .net, etc) is managed by a particular registrar which maintains the database that maps each site name to an IP address.

So when you go to itsaboutliberty.com the domain name server matches it up to the IP address that hosts this site. With what's going on this past week, it would be like the domain name registrar saying they don't like what we talk about here on this site so they're no longer going to keep itsaboutliberty.com in their database. They're going to purge it from their records entirely.  After that nobody's browser would be able to find the site, because DNS works like a phone book for the Internet.

The sites targeted over the last week have tried registering alternative names at different registrars and they've had the same thing happen each time. It's a coordinated campaign to purge them from the entire Internet.
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Re: Tech companies blacklisting right/alt-right sites ....
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2017, 11:01:24 PM »
2 Timothy 1:7
For God did not give us a spirit of timidity, but of power & of love and of calm, a well-balanced mind, discipline and self-control.

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Re: Tech companies blacklisting right/alt-right sites ....
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2017, 09:50:38 AM »
One of the tech companies that purged Alt-Right sites is Cloudflare. They provide a proxy service that protects sites from denial of service attacks. They dumped the Daily Stormer as a customer, a decision made personally by the CEO who announced it in a memo wherein he basically said "I decided to kick them because they're assholes."

But here is an article about Cloudflare having no such qualms about the fact that they provide this service to websites affiliated with al-Qaeda and other terrorist groups:

http://kernelmag.dailydot.com/features/report/4361/cloudflare-terrorists-little-helper/
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Re: Tech companies blacklisting right/alt-right sites ....
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2017, 11:22:04 AM »
  Why should I be surprised?   It just makes go further right.
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« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2017, 07:51:52 PM »
Companies are already being egged on by garbage such as the Southern Poverty Law Center to ban everyone on the group's list.

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« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2017, 09:25:31 PM »
SPLC - terrible people.
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« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2017, 09:55:58 PM »
SPLC - terrible people.

It's neither Southern nor about Poverty.
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Re: Tech companies blacklisting right/alt-right sites ....
« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2017, 11:57:05 AM »
Worse than terrible...TERRORISTS!

Bleep them and these Goebbels Media/Goolag Gestapo sonsofbitches!  The veil has dropped, these bastards are full-frontal fascists!

Better get alternate comm units, when the web goes dark...that is one of the flares going up to start the resistance!

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« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2017, 06:04:18 AM »
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« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2017, 08:40:07 PM »
I've been de-googling my stuff as much as I can.  You can't totally, but you can certainly avoid most of it.

Protonmail is a worthy alternative for e-mail purposes.

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Re: Tech companies blacklisting right/alt-right sites ....
« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2017, 10:51:51 PM »
The sites targeted over the last week have tried registering alternative names at different registrars and they've had the same thing happen each time. It's a coordinated campaign to purge them from the entire Internet.

Until someone starts up rival DNS.. Maybe we sould kickstart such a thing.. Want to see the WHOLE internet, use Darknet DNS.  They all ping us first and we list EVERYONE. ANd then we go out to the Whitenet wen we don't have it. Might have to distribute a client to we can proxy  out white net request back through a users machine so we don't get blacklisted by the Whitenet directly. Whitenet DNS wouldn't ever know where the request came from - it would look just like any other user on the net.

There is no way to stop the signal Mal. They can't stop people from pointing their DNS clients to an alternate IP unless they start IP policing, and that gets far harder to do.. Especially if you start using  Dynamic IPs. or IPs in foreign nations. And then there is the entire TOR network.
 
 

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« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2017, 06:45:07 AM »
And then there is the entire TOR network.

I've heard of the Darknet (although I don't fully understand it), but what's TOR?
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« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2017, 12:14:34 PM »
And then there is the entire TOR network.

I've heard of the Darknet (although I don't fully understand it), but what's TOR?

TOR is The Onion Router.  It's a web browser for accessing darknet sites.  People behind the TOR Project are now complaining about the Daily Stormer being accessible on the darknet and there are even calls to start censorship there as well.  For various reasons that is not likely to happen, but it is worth pointing out that they seem to have no such problem with other things on the darknet, i.e. child pornography, illicit drugs, and even hitman services.

These events are really putting the spotlight on how the public and private spheres are sometimes blurred, and that this blurring of lines can be taken advantage of to circumvent fundamental liberties.  The "well they're a private company so they can ban whatever speech they want on their platform" argument, which is a popular one among conservatives and libertarians, doesn't really hold up anymore.  If a handful of tech companies can single out one person or organization and effectively make them an "unperson" on the Internet, then it is functionally the same as the government itself outlawing free speech on the Internet.  The cynic (and I include myself in this) might even say the State is in league with giant tech companies to enact speech restrictions that the State itself could not do directly. It is a violation of the 1st Amendment hiding behind a fig leaf of private property rights.
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« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2017, 07:11:48 PM »
The cynic (and I include myself in this) might even say the State is in league with giant tech companies to enact speech restrictions that the State itself could not do directly.

Now THAT'S scary. Leaving the State innocent while private enterprise does its dirty work.
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« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2017, 08:22:42 PM »
The cynic (and I include myself in this) might even say the State is in league with giant tech companies to enact speech restrictions that the State itself could not do directly.

Now THAT'S scary. Leaving the State innocent while private enterprise does its dirty work.

It's certainly in the realm of possibility.  Didn't some of the Wikileaks dumps include information about (ostensibly) private companies sharing data with police?  So, say the police want to gather information about someone but they lack a convincing case for a search warrant.  Well just get a cooperative tech company (cell phone provider, ISP, etc) to gather the data and share it, claim the user consented to it in the terms of service. The government then says they didn't conduct a search, but a private party so very helpfully "gave" them the information they wanted.
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« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2017, 11:33:26 AM »
They are complicit in many things...morons talk of the MIC but it's the Crony Capitalist/D-MC people should be more concerned about...and they all dance to the DeepState puppetmasters...
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« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2017, 08:19:07 AM »
Ann Barnhardt is the latest one to be kicked off. She is back up at a new host, but it looks like this is going to be the new normal.


http://americandigest.org/wp/ann-barnhardt-taken-offline

https://www.barnhardt.biz/2017/08/25/totalitarian-censorship-attempt-thwarted-for-now/
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