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Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
« Reply #40 on: July 08, 2011, 08:38:36 PM »
Obama Knew all about it!!This goes all the way to the WH!!

Obama Orders Launched Fast and Furious
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Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
« Reply #41 on: July 08, 2011, 09:26:49 PM »
Obama Knew all about it!!This goes all the way to the WH!!

Obama Orders Launched Fast and Furious

"...to fortify its project Gunrunner, which is aimed at disrupting arms trafficing between the United States and Mexico."

To understand what this administration is actually saying one must hold a mirror to the words.
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Project Gun Runner (Fast and Furious) was launched under the orders of President Barack Obama with the knowledge of Attorney General Eric Holder. Deputy Attorney General David Ogden announced the Obama Administration's new and aggressive 'comprehensive plan' on March, 24, 2009. The plan was aimed at disrupting gun trafficking between the United States and Mexico.

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Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
« Reply #43 on: July 09, 2011, 06:43:42 PM »
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Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
« Reply #44 on: July 09, 2011, 07:23:59 PM »
It tires me and discourages me to say it, but can you imagine for a moment if this was any Republican president? Can you imagine? Good Lord - help us, because we are beset upon from all sides.
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Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
« Reply #45 on: July 09, 2011, 09:05:25 PM »
It tires me and discourages me to say it, but can you imagine for a moment if this was any Republican president? Can you imagine? Good Lord - help us, because we are beset upon from all sides.

More than anything else, that shows that the media is the enemy.  They are pumping out propaganda on a par with anything the Soviet Union devised.  And I blame them more than anyone for Dick Obama's election.
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Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
« Reply #46 on: July 09, 2011, 09:07:17 PM »
Under normal circumstances this would be completely impeachable.

I don't think the House has the stomach for another impeachment proceeding, however. The last one didn't end up so well. We won the battle and lost the war.

I think that the best thing that can come out of it is lots and lots of good campaign ads for next year.

And the best thing that can come out of that is a conservative president and a Republican controlled Senate.

Ultimately, as bad as this scandal is (and it's about as bad as they come...it has corpses) it is one more item in a very long laundry list of bad crap that can be laid at the feet of this administration.

I never thought that our country would ever have a president worse than Jimmy Carter but O'Bama seems determined to have the most corrupt and the most incompetent admin in American history.

And history will be a very harsh judge.

In a doomsday scenario, hippies will be among the first casualties. So not everything about doomsday will be bad.

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« Reply #47 on: July 09, 2011, 09:16:11 PM »
Not incompetent, Trap.  Evil.  Obama and his Commie cronies are quite competent at weakening and undermining the very foundations of our country, which is their goal.
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Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
« Reply #48 on: July 09, 2011, 09:29:14 PM »
Not incompetent, Trap.  Evil.  Obama and his Commie cronies are quite competent at weakening and undermining the very foundations of our country, which is their goal.

If they weren't incompetent they wouldn't get caught and look like total boobs. Evil? Sure, I'll give you that. I didn't mention it because it's kind of obvious. And destruction is easy compared to creation. Watch children take a clean house apart. But they can't seem to clean it. That takes adults.
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Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
« Reply #49 on: July 09, 2011, 09:40:58 PM »

Caught as in captured, arrested, no they haven't been caught.

They have been observed by, a so far ineffectual, body of Americans slipping socialist/Marxist ideology through the ribs and into the heart of
our governance.  However, the populace of America do not apprehend
what is happening or how it affects the future of our Republic.


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Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
« Reply #50 on: July 09, 2011, 09:41:58 PM »
I don't think the House has the stomach for another impeachment proceeding, however. The last one didn't end up so well. We won the battle and lost the war.

The problem with the Clinton impeachment is that the wussy Republicans chose to go after him over a stupid sex scandal, instead of for transferring military technology to the Chicoms in exchange for campaign contributions, which was the real outrage.

You're right, though.  I can't see Congress impeaching the First Second Black President.

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And history will be a very harsh judge.

True enough, but that doesn't help us any.  We'll all be dead by then.  History has judged some of the Roman emperors harshly, but that does no good for the decent, hardworking people of Rome who suffered under their depredations.
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Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
« Reply #51 on: July 09, 2011, 09:47:46 PM »

Caught as in captured, arrested, no they haven't been caught.

They have been observed by, a so far ineffectual, body of Americans slipping socialist/Marxist ideology through the ribs and into the heart of
our governance.  However, the populace of America do not apprehend
what is happening or how it affects the future of our Republic.



Exactly.  They don't look like "total boobs" to readers of Time magazine or watchers of The View.  Sadly, those people are numerous, and they vote.
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Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
« Reply #52 on: July 09, 2011, 09:48:33 PM »
May they're afraid because there is an election coming and the don't want to make martyrs of them to the squishes and drive them back into his arms.After the election may be the time to turn the screws real tight and for now just keep putting it out there and club them over and over with this stuff.
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Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
« Reply #53 on: July 09, 2011, 09:48:43 PM »

History begins the day a new president is sworn in.  May history show that on the second day warrants were served and those responsible were detained for trial. May history also show that the trials were completed and  severe punishment fit the crime was meted out.


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Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
« Reply #54 on: July 09, 2011, 10:07:26 PM »

Caught as in captured, arrested, no they haven't been caught.

They have been observed by, a so far ineffectual, body of Americans slipping socialist/Marxist ideology through the ribs and into the heart of
our governance.  However, the populace of America do not apprehend
what is happening or how it affects the future of our Republic.



Exactly.  They don't look like "total boobs" to readers of Time magazine or watchers of The View.  Sadly, those people are numerous, and they vote.

Because "the media" is deliberately focused elsewhere.  It's Saturday and what was "the media" putting forth?  The Casey-whatshername trial; Fox News, and all the replays on XM Radio of the biggie talk shows -- Casey Whatshername.

You have to wonder why Hannity, Fox News, Andrew Wilkom et al. choose to focus on that instead of Fast & Furious.

It's sickening.
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Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
« Reply #55 on: July 09, 2011, 10:25:22 PM »

Caught as in captured, arrested, no they haven't been caught.

They have been observed by, a so far ineffectual, body of Americans slipping socialist/Marxist ideology through the ribs and into the heart of
our governance.  However, the populace of America do not apprehend
what is happening or how it affects the future of our Republic.



Exactly.  They don't look like "total boobs" to readers of Time magazine or watchers of The View.  Sadly, those people are numerous, and they vote.

Because "the media" is deliberately focused elsewhere.  It's Saturday and what was "the media" putting forth?  The Casey-whatshername trial; Fox News, and all the replays on XM Radio of the biggie talk shows -- Casey Whatshername.

You have to wonder why Hannity, Fox News, Andrew Wilkom et al. choose to focus on that instead of Fast & Furious.

It's sickening.


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Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
« Reply #56 on: July 13, 2011, 03:52:05 PM »
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"Internal ATF emails seem to suggest that ATF agents were counseled to highlight a link between criminals and certain semi-automatic weapons in order to bolster a case for a rule like the one the DOJ announced yesterday [Monday]."

Townhall has obtained the email which states "Can you see if these guns were all purchased from the same FfL and at one time. We are looking at anecdotal cases to support a demand letter on long gun multiple sales. Thanks Mark R. Chait Assistant Director Field Operations."

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2011/07/13/operation_fast_and_furious_designed_to_promote_gun_control

Cha-ching.
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Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
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"Internal ATF emails seem to suggest that ATF agents were counseled to highlight a link between criminals and certain semi-automatic weapons in order to bolster a case for a rule like the one the DOJ announced yesterday [Monday]."

Townhall has obtained the email which states "Can you see if these guns were all purchased from the same FfL and at one time. We are looking at anecdotal cases to support a demand letter on long gun multiple sales. Thanks Mark R. Chait Assistant Director Field Operations."

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2011/07/13/operation_fast_and_furious_designed_to_promote_gun_control

Cha-ching.

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Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
« Reply #58 on: July 13, 2011, 10:21:01 PM »
Nero fiddles, while fire marshal Eric runs around with torches lighting fires everywhere...then both feign ignorance of the destruction they've wrought...

Beyond impeachable.
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Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
« Reply #59 on: July 18, 2011, 12:41:53 PM »


we need a special prosecutor.

Allen West: We need a special prosecutor

As Mark Steyn describes it:  "United States taxpayers were picking up the tab for Mexican drug lords’ weaponry in order that the ATF could identify high-up gun-traffickers. But, as it turns out, these high-up gun-traffickers were already known to other agencies — FBI, DEA, and other big-spending acronyms in the great fetid ooze of federal alphabet soup



Rep. Allen West Calls for Eric Holder's Removal Over 'Fast and Furious'