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Re: Romney Aide: Mitt's "Proud" of RomneyCare™
« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2011, 10:27:15 AM »
As unappealing as it may seem to say it, I think a President Romney or a President Huckabee would sign an ObamaCare repeal sent to them by a GOP majority congress. All indications are that we will hold the house and gain the Senate in 2012.
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Re: Romney Aide: Mitt's "Proud" of RomneyCare™
« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2011, 11:01:37 AM »
Yeah, well, NOPE, I'm not doing the holding my nose and doing it thingie again.  Sorry, but no.

Get someone on the Anti-Duh Wun side worth voting for, with a conservative resume other than "Not Obama" and I'll consider it.  Otherwise look in the mirror at the reason for why the entire thing went straight and swiftly into the shtter at 2012.

Sick of this sht.

And try to guilt me over your failings, and there will be terminations with extreme prejudice to boot.

This above was meant for the Republican Party and those maneuvering the nomination, not for anyone here.
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Re: Romney Aide: Mitt's "Proud" of RomneyCare™
« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2011, 11:08:40 AM »
As unappealing as it may seem to say it, I think a President Romney or a President Huckabee would sign an ObamaCare repeal sent to them by a GOP majority congress. All indications are that we will hold the house and gain the Senate in 2012.

Believe me, I am extremely sympathetic with people who cannot bring themselves to hold their nose ever again. But I think what I've re-stated above is the situation as it exists - as unappealing as it is for me to admit it or say it.

I frikkin' hate RINOs. Despise them, and you all know I do. But I believe that there is a strong likelihood that the GOP will take back both houses of congress in 2012 with another strong Tea Party surge, and I believe that ANY of the people now putting their feelers out for the GOP nomination would sign a full ObamaCare repeal.

That's just how I see it. I'm not judging anyone for seeing it differently.
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Re: Romney Aide: Mitt's "Proud" of RomneyCare™
« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2011, 11:12:58 AM »
 Holding the House isn't one of my goals. I want majorities big enough in House and Senate to overcome any Veto just in case something goes wrong and we don't get the WH.

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Re: Romney Aide: Mitt's "Proud" of RomneyCare™
« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2011, 11:33:09 AM »
As unappealing as it may seem to say it, I think a President Romney or a President Huckabee would sign an ObamaCare repeal sent to them by a GOP majority congress. All indications are that we will hold the house and gain the Senate in 2012.

We'll never know because they are unelectable.

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Re: Romney Aide: Mitt's "Proud" of RomneyCare™
« Reply #25 on: February 27, 2011, 12:29:35 PM »
Holding the House isn't one of my goals. I want majorities big enough in House and Senate to overcome any Veto just in case something goes wrong and we don't get the WH.

  I ant it all but nothing stopping us from wearing belts and suspenders.
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Re: Romney Aide: Mitt's "Proud" of RomneyCare™
« Reply #26 on: February 27, 2011, 01:09:57 PM »
The same Ruling Class apparatchiks of the GOP did much to try and undermine Reagan's presidential ambitions. In 1980 they said the successful Republican candidate needs to be someone in the mold of Gerald Ford. But Reagan articulated the conservative position unapologetically and without obfuscation. He won. Big.

I am done with their game of making us into Oliver Twist asking "please sir, may I have some more?" We're teetering on the brink so precariously that even if we do elect a solid conservative it's no guarantee -- we may be too far gone to remedy -- so I really see no big harm in spoiling RINO ambitions even at the cost of another term for Obama.
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Re: Romney Aide: Mitt's "Proud" of RomneyCare™
« Reply #27 on: February 27, 2011, 04:34:02 PM »
The same Ruling Class apparatchiks of the GOP did much to try and undermine Reagan's presidential ambitions. In 1980 they said the successful Republican candidate needs to be someone in the mold of Gerald Ford. But Reagan articulated the conservative position unapologetically and without obfuscation. He won. Big.

I am done with their game of making us into Oliver Twist asking "please sir, may I have some more?" We're teetering on the brink so precariously that even if we do elect a solid conservative it's no guarantee -- we may be too far gone to remedy -- so I really see no big harm in spoiling RINO ambitions even at the cost of another term for Obama.

 He's welcome to another tearm as long as he's staring at a completely Republican controlled House and Senate.And once again I mean numbers that can over ride his veto pen and stick it up his AZZ!
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Re: Romney Aide: Mitt's "Proud" of RomneyCare™
« Reply #28 on: February 27, 2011, 05:37:58 PM »
...We're teetering on the brink so precariously that even if we do elect a solid conservative it's no guarantee -- we may be too far gone to remedy -- so I really see no big harm in spoiling RINO ambitions even at the cost of another term for Obama.

I realize this sounds like the words of Satan himself to good conservative ears. But like Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, and many other voices out there who're not afraid to call a spade a spade, I believe that universal health care is indeed the "crown jewel of socialism". I believe if it stands, America falls. Through a full government takeover of the health care of every citizen, the government will finally eradicate our liberty, and eventually our constitution.

You're right in that with all the myriad problems pushing us toward the cliff, we are standing on the brink of it, and any number or combination of events could push us over with a breath. But I believe that ObamaCare lasting beyond 2012 will guarantee our country's demise.

And it is in that context only that I say spoiling RINO ambitions at the cost of another term for Obama does not come without harm. The 2010 GOP House is trying hard to move beyond the business-as-usual dynamic that has gripped it for decades. It struggles as a body, and frustrates in its glaring imperfection, but so far it has moved in the direction of putting the brakes on and sending the right message. The balance of power in the Senate is poised for a similar shift. With 21 Democrat/2 Democrat-leaning Independent seats up for grabs against only 10 GOP seats up for grabs, the tables will almost certainly turn, meaning that a full repeal of ObamaCare would likely make it to the President's desk.

If that moment comes, and our distaste for a Pawlenty or Daniels, (or God forbid Romney or Huckabee) drives us to stand aside and allow another Obama term, then we pass on the opportunity to steal the crown jewel from the Socialists, and ObamaCare will be ensconced until the nation collapses by its own weight.

Constantly being forced to choose the lesser of two evils is damned frustrating. I don't blame anyone for saying "no more". Honestly, I do not. I am an inch away from that myself, and there certainly are RINO candidates for whom I would likely not be able to cast a vote. This is a sensitive topic, and I've seen it blow up before, so I want to say right now again that I am only giving my perspective and the reasons for it, and not passing judgment on anyone else's choice. And in the interest of discourse and education, I'm always interested to hear where someone else can poke holes in my position.
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Re: Romney Aide: Mitt's "Proud" of RomneyCare™
« Reply #29 on: February 27, 2011, 05:43:25 PM »
That's your opinion, you're entitled to it and to voice it here, and I don't perceive you sitting in judgment on anyone or his/her opinion.

I wanted to clarify my post from last night because I didn't want folks thinking I was taking issue with their opinions as it sure looked like that this morning, even to me.
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Re: Romney Aide: Mitt's "Proud" of RomneyCare™
« Reply #30 on: February 27, 2011, 05:47:41 PM »
That's your opinion, you're entitled to it and to voice it here, and I don't perceive you sitting in judgment on anyone or his/her opinion.

I wanted to clarify my post from last night because I didn't want folks thinking I was taking issue with their opinions as it sure looked like that this morning, even to me.

I know on both counts. I just also know I have seen this topic go nuclear, and I don't want that to happen. It probably won't because GScott's not here.
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Re: Romney Aide: Mitt's "Proud" of RomneyCare™
« Reply #31 on: February 27, 2011, 06:29:25 PM »
That's your opinion, you're entitled to it and to voice it here, and I don't perceive you sitting in judgment on anyone or his/her opinion.

I wanted to clarify my post from last night because I didn't want folks thinking I was taking issue with their opinions as it sure looked like that this morning, even to me.

I know on both counts. I just also know I have seen this topic go nuclear, and I don't want that to happen. It probably won't because GScott's not here.
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Re: Romney Aide: Mitt's "Proud" of RomneyCare™
« Reply #32 on: February 27, 2011, 06:47:20 PM »
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Re: Romney Aide: Mitt's "Proud" of RomneyCare™
« Reply #33 on: February 27, 2011, 06:49:20 PM »
Romney is not on my "A" list. He is not invited to the wedding.

Ya know, dammit, I'm resolved to vote for whomever is running against Obama. Frackin' Cornelius from Planet of the Apes would make a better President. Palin, Cain, Pawlenty, Gingrich, Barbour, Romney, Huckabee, or whoever else has a shot at the nomination will seem ushered in by a Heavenly Host compared to Obama, and even if they stink, I'll hold my nose and vote for them.

But if the nominee is not a strong conservative with clearly defined positions and principles, they will lose to Obama. Among all the supposed GOP "frontrunners" Romney is the one with the least clearly defined conservative positions and principles, and he will lose the election.

I remember in '06 and '07 how increasingly vocal I became when it came to finding and supporting a candidate for prez. Remember how romney and juliani were touted as early favorites? And everyone kept looking at each other and asking, "Did you suggest this guy? I know that I didn't!"

Over and over "someone" kept pushing marginal, moderate, mushy pubbies our way. We kept pushing them away saying, "No thanks, I'd prefer a conservative".

They would push someone like romney or hucklebee in our faces and say, "See, this guy is just what you ordered" "Conservative all the way" "Trust me".

My early favorite was Duncan Hunter. If you were looking for a smart administrator with loads of common sense and a conservative perspective, he would do admirably. If you were looking for the stylish "rock star" you needed to look to a bozo like Øbongo.

But I saw almost immediately that no matter how able or outstanding a job Hunter would do, we would never know because he didn't have a snowball's chance in hell of being elected. He simply failed on the runway walk.

I've always admired Fred Thompson and when he announced that he might announce that he was thinking of announcing, I became caught up in the "Yea, why not?" wagon train. More like a train wreck. Enough of that!

One by one the conservatives fell away or were swept away by the sheer weight of the good ol boy network. Until they announced "our" champion - John McCain. Boy wasn't that a kick in the breadbasket! I had more enthusiasm voting for Bob Dole! Actually that isn't completely true.

I vowed not to vote at all. I had this quaint notion about my vote counting for something and too important to waste on foolish or frivolous things. Sarah Palin brought me back. If not for her I would not have cast a ballot in '08. There was no way that I was wasting my vote on Capt. Queeg!

And when Queeg floundered, and he and his motley crew tried to pull Sarah under with him I renewed my vow, "Nevermore!"

So I restate my pledge, my vow, my promise to the Republican party - "Send me a conservative that I can vote for or do not expect a vote from me." I will sit it out.

My pantry is full. My locker is stocked. I have provisioned myself for the worst. I know that only a strong conservative can rectify the problems we have (romney and huck need not apply). If we do not get a conservative we will slip off the edge - there is no other forecast, no other option, no other fate for us.

My expectation, based on what I've seen so far, is that (and I mean this in the nicest possible way) we are doomed. The left entered into an unholy alliance with Øbongo & Co. and are committed. The GOP is dithering and equivocating and wussing out as usual.

Pardon me....I've got to get back to work on my bunker...

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Re: Romney Aide: Mitt's "Proud" of RomneyCare™
« Reply #34 on: February 27, 2011, 07:38:05 PM »

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If that moment comes, and our distaste for a Pawlenty or Daniels, (or God forbid Romney or Huckabee) drives us to stand aside and allow another Obama term, then we pass on the opportunity to steal the crown jewel from the Socialists, and ObamaCare will be ensconced until the nation collapses by its own weight. ...

If we have a Republican house and senate there will be no bill to sign.
The Republican House has the defunding purse strings and the shiny new Republican Senate can sign off on it. 

If they have the will they can hamstring LBJ.

Currently our politicians are misbehaving children and they must be taught a lesson or they will turn into delinquents.  They received a spanking in '10 if they haven't learned their lesson they will receive a whipping in '12.  That's my money, time, and vote.



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Re: Romney Aide: Mitt's "Proud" of RomneyCare™
« Reply #35 on: February 28, 2011, 10:14:59 AM »
I H8 Ruling Class apparatchiks of all stripes.

If we are offered yet another lesser of two evils situation, to me, that will be the signal flare stating the GOP doesn't give a damn any more about adherence to Founding Principles...especially our those affecting our Liberty!

I cannot say for certain what I would do in such a situation.  Throwing away my vote for another watered-down candidate who will only get their ass handed to them by the Obama machine and the MFM...or just go Galt and let the system fail.

I really hate these choices.

Having nobody to vote for that I can believe in?  Is there anything else capable of crushing ones enthusiasm so completely?

This test is for the GOP to either get it right or go down in flames...there is no middle ground,  not anymore.

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Re: Romney Aide: Mitt's "Proud" of RomneyCare™
« Reply #36 on: February 28, 2011, 12:48:08 PM »
Janny (Hi, BTW!) and Pan and I are like-minded! I will not vote for another RINO. I'd rather have obama take full blame for what may come. And it's comin'! Any R getting in will just be used as a poster-boy (or girl) by the  libiots as to why the R brand is disastrous for the country, even though we'd know better. Some won't.

Hi, Dan!

I was so disappointed in 2008, when I got stuck with McCain as the nominee before I even got to vote in my primary.  ::cussing::

Prior to the Dems taking back the house, I actually believed that a president McCain would have done more harm to the conservative cause than Hillary, who was then the presumed nominee. I had my problems with Bush, but I really thought McCain would be even more of a "reach across the aisle" appeaser than he was!

Once it became Obama vs. McCain, I had little choice, of course, but Palin as VP candidate helped me pull the lever for McCain.

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Re: Romney Aide: Mitt's "Proud" of RomneyCare™
« Reply #37 on: February 28, 2011, 12:58:26 PM »
A few points....

1. I don't believe that Huckabee or Romney are electable, either, nor am I confident that they would sign a bill to repeal Obamacare. I would love to see that happen, of course.

2. I believe one big reason we got stuck with Obama is because we allowed the blood libel media to choose an "electable" RINO for us in '08.  ::bashing::

3. If the choice is between some RINO squish who will undermine conservatism and another four years of Obama, it is going to be tough choice for me.  Especially if we control both branches of Congress.

4. I will keep an open mind, but right now I feel very uncomfortable with Romney or Huckabee for our nominee.

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Re: Romney Aide: Mitt's "Proud" of RomneyCare™
« Reply #38 on: February 28, 2011, 01:10:52 PM »
I don't mind admitting i'll be in a quandary if the correct republican does not get the nomination. I sincerely don't know if I can sit on the sidelines and watch obama elected a 2nd term....Not obama. Maybe any other liberal....but not obama.

I don't see obama as a run of the mill liberal....I see obama as a different type of threat to our nation. He appeases the wrong groups and ignores our trusted allies. I believe he operates with a willful intent to weaken this nation...and I can't live under it or with it.

I'm sorry, but I just don't believe I can sit it out. I'll take my chances influencing a rino.
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Re: Romney Aide: Mitt's "Proud" of RomneyCare™
« Reply #39 on: February 28, 2011, 01:20:58 PM »
If the GOP were to control both houses of congress and the presidency in 2012 - even if that GOP president were a RINO - the pressure would be IMMENSE to follow through on a full repeal of ObamaCare. It is the single defining issue that has driven the electorate away from the Democrat party unlike anything I've ever seen.

I can't stand the thought of a President Romney, Huckabee, or a handful of the others they keep trying to shove down our throats. But I respectfully disagree with our new member Janny and say that I think there is slim-to-zero chance that an OCare repeal sent to any GOP president with a shot at the nomination by a GOP majority congress in 2012 would not be signed.
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