It's About Liberty: A Conservative Forum
Topics => General Board => Topic started by: Pandora on August 07, 2011, 11:19:54 AM
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Tens of thousands of unionized Verizon Communications Inc. workers from Massachusetts to Washington, D.C., went on strike early Sunday after they failed to agree on a new labor contract with the telecommunications company.
The Communications Workers of America said negotiations in Philadelphia and New York stalled Saturday night after Verizon continued to demand more than 100 concessions from workers and the unions refused to budge.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/08/07/45000-verizon-workers-could-strike-over-contract/#ixzz1UMOTULkX (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/08/07/45000-verizon-workers-could-strike-over-contract/#ixzz1UMOTULkX)
Oh, boohoo. "More than 100 concessions". None of the union employees pay toward their health insurance or retirement -- the 136,000 in right-to-work states are subsidizing that, in addition to what they pay for their own -- so, the pissing and moaning about "destroying our middle class lives" is just fantasy. I have no itemized list of what the other "concessions" are, but I doubt they're life-destroying.
Furthermore, of the 136,000 employees in non-union states, many have been "voluntarily" deployed to the on-strike areas to maintain service. Mostly "gun-free" zones, to cross picket lines and to do six 12-hour day rotations.
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There are enough people looking for work. Companies should call these bluffs, and fire every last union bastard.
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Look for backhanded punishment of Verizon from the FCC any time now.
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There are enough people looking for work. Companies should call these bluffs, and fire every last union bastard.
One could only hope.
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Link (http://www.redstate.com/laborunionreport/2011/08/07/as-45000-union-workers-strike-verizon-union-protesters-bring-rat-to-ceos-house/)
As part of the union effort to call attention to their strike, IBEW strikers decided to protest in front of Verizon CEO Lowell McAdam’s house on Sunday.
Local 827 IBEW protests at CEO Lowell McAdams house! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvQQqI8kYP4#)
Local 827 IBEW members rally in front of CEO of Verizon Lowell McAdams house in Mendhen NJ! Take note of the two Verizon security puppets. They are the same two toy cops that local 827 IBEW serenaded with the "A$$HOLE "
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... Mendhen NJ!
It's Mendham.
Take note of the two Verizon security puppets. They are the same two toy cops that local 827 IBEW serenaded with the "A$$HOLE "
To what are you referring here, CO?
Anybody else notice there wasn't a junker car among 'em? Yep; these folks gonna be hurtin' fo' sho' having to kick something in for their medical insurance.
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Hmmm. I see a lot of bright, shiny toys being paraded there. Is that the point?
"If I don't get what I want I'm gonna have a tantrum and show you that I don't need you (even though my employment through you has brought me prosperity)!!!"
Zero sympathy here...
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... Mendhen NJ!
It's Mendham.
Take note of the two Verizon security puppets. They are the same two toy cops that local 827 IBEW serenaded with the "A$$HOLE "
To what are you referring here, CO?
Anybody else notice there wasn't a junker car among 'em? Yep; these folks gonna be hurtin' fo' sho' having to kick something in for their medical insurance.
Local 827 IBEW members rally in front of CEO of Verizon Lowell McAdams house in Mendhen NJ! Take note of the two Verizon security puppets. They are the same two toy cops that local 827 IBEW serenaded with the "ASSHOLE " chant. That's Nice, who is paying for those guys?
Nothing like an incomplete and unlabeled citation from the utube link, eh?
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Ah, I see; not yours.
Of course Verizon is paying for the security at the CEO's home; that's where the strikers went, didn't they?
I'm really concerned for my friend who has been sent up there to fill in.
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Hey, great timing for a strike.
Sure sucks being politically tone deaf.
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Hey, great timing for a strike.
Sure sucks being politically tone deaf.
Boyoboy, are you ever on the money.
I'm betting dollars to donuts, a whooooole bunch of people in NJ/PA/MD/CONN/NY are not feeling these people's pain.
Something else I have thought about, too; Verizon did not handle the "deployment" issue smartly either. Instead of asking for volunteers and seeing where they stood, the temporary re-assignments are mandatory, contingent on keep one's job, and the rotations are six 12-hour days.
IMO, they've left the door open for a union-organizing foot to insert itself in non-union shops with "see, if you had a union, this could not have been done to you".
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Typical corporate tinear/dunderheaded/toomanylawyers fear mentality.
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Ahhhh. Takes me back to the good old days when i worked for a Baby Bell (I was "management", not union) and had to work 12 hr days for 2 weeks crossing picket lines. I've despised unions ever since.
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Ahhhh. Takes me back to the good old days when i worked for a Baby Bell (I was "management", not union) and had to work 12 hr days for 2 weeks crossing picket lines. I've despised unions ever since.
The union violence has started. The folks sent to SoHo from our area have had coffee and rotten fruit thrown at them by while enroute by picketers and a woman was shoved into scaffolding on the sidewalk. A man sent there from here just up and quit yesterday.
I also despise unions, for similar reasons.
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Union members know their power is waning. It makes them more desperate and therefore more thuggish. I'm praying for the safety of your friend.
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Union members know their power is waning. It makes them more desperate and therefore more thuggish. I'm praying for the safety of your friend.
Thank you, Michelle!
Fortunately, he went to PA from NC and was permitted ::snort:: to take his protection with him, sans projectiles, which lack he rectified at WalMart.
Forgot to mention, equipment sabotaged (http://moonbattery.com/?p=933) at various places, per RD.
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Detroit is their success model.
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Detroit is their success model.
Must be. They've vandalized a local mortuary chain in Chicago as a way of "sending a message".
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I hate those sons a bitches like you can't even imagine!!
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This just in 45,000 new Telecommunication jobs are up for grabs! ::whoohoo:: ::hysterical:: ::mooning::
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The CEO for verison only made 17.5 million last year, he can prob afford some security.
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The CEO for verison only made 17.5 million last year, he can prob afford some security.
The point is why should he need security in a civilized country?
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Exactly. This is supposed to be a republic based on the rule-of-law. The rule-of-law has been the biggest victim of the "transformative change" going on. Without it what you have is the rule of men, mobs, and cults.
The law is predicated largely on the recognition of private property, and the government was chartered with the responsibility to protect it. When that breaks down (as in unionized police turning a blind eye) then the entire civilization is in jeopardy of breaking down.
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The CEO for verison only made 17.5 million last year, he can prob afford some security.
Yeah? If he requires security because of his job, then his job can just cough up to make sure neither he, nor his wife, nor his kids are harassed or threatened by union pukes.
Okay?
Got that?
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Should the CEO hire thugs to go to union members homes and terroize their families?? Would that be acceptable?Should he at the end of the strike start getting rid of every mothers son that took part in it?
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The CEO for verison only made 17.5 million last year, he can prob afford some security.
How old are you?
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Should the CEO hire thugs to go to union members homes and terroize their families?? Would that be acceptable?Should he at the end of the strike start getting rid of every mothers son that took part in it?
Maybe. But if he wanted a trial run I would suggest that he starts with the leftists. Wait - that would be all of them!
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Verizon Workers Going Back to Work, Without Deal
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/08/20/verizon-workers-going-back-to-work-without-deal/#ixzz1VbEZIzo6 (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/08/20/verizon-workers-going-back-to-work-without-deal/#ixzz1VbEZIzo6)
Mistake, mistake.
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Is that $50,000 bounty by Verizon for information on the terrorists who sabotaged their equipment still being offered?
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Verizon Workers Going Back to Work, Without Deal
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/08/20/verizon-workers-going-back-to-work-without-deal/#ixzz1VbEZIzo6 (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/08/20/verizon-workers-going-back-to-work-without-deal/#ixzz1VbEZIzo6)
Mistake, mistake.
For Verizon.
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Verizon Workers Going Back to Work, Without Deal
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/08/20/verizon-workers-going-back-to-work-without-deal/#ixzz1VbEZIzo6 (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/08/20/verizon-workers-going-back-to-work-without-deal/#ixzz1VbEZIzo6)
Mistake, mistake.
For Verizon.
That's right.
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Verizon Workers Going Back to Work, Without Deal
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/08/20/verizon-workers-going-back-to-work-without-deal/#ixzz1VbEZIzo6 (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/08/20/verizon-workers-going-back-to-work-without-deal/#ixzz1VbEZIzo6)
Mistake, mistake.
For Verizon.
That's right.
This would have been a great ime to make the union either agree or stay out and pay for any damaged equipent along the way.The ubion figured r=that with the out of state people they would be able to stand a prolonged walk out. Verizon had the upper hand.
Now whatever they take from the union half should go to nonunion workers.
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Here's the thing... (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/thousands-of-verizon-employees-will-return-monday-with-no-new-contract-after-14-day-strike/)
...About 45,000 employees went on strike on Aug. 7, after their previous contract expired. They work in the company’s landline division in nine states from Massachusetts to Virginia.
Verizon says that it needs to cut costs in the traditional landline phone business, which is in decline as more Americans switch to mobile phones.
...Verizon spokesman Richard Young said that many of the benefits and work rules were put in place when Verizon faced much less competition in its landline business. “The contracts are not reflective of today’s marketplace,” he said.
...Nearly 30 percent of U.S. homes have dropped landline phone service and rely on mobile phones only, according to the National Center for Health Statistics.
Unions stagnate growth and innovation in so many ways. This is a succinct example. Unions want to protect a pay and benefits package negotiated at a time when the technology supported by their benefactor was completely different than it is now. Even though technological advancement in the marketplace has indicated that what has heretofore supported them is going to eventually cease to exist, they would rather kill the company by forcing it to remain stagnant than allow it to grow.
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Here's the thing... (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/thousands-of-verizon-employees-will-return-monday-with-no-new-contract-after-14-day-strike/)
...About 45,000 employees went on strike on Aug. 7, after their previous contract expired. They work in the company’s landline division in nine states from Massachusetts to Virginia.
Verizon says that it needs to cut costs in the traditional landline phone business, which is in decline as more Americans switch to mobile phones.
...Verizon spokesman Richard Young said that many of the benefits and work rules were put in place when Verizon faced much less competition in its landline business. “The contracts are not reflective of today’s marketplace,” he said.
...Nearly 30 percent of U.S. homes have dropped landline phone service and rely on mobile phones only, according to the National Center for Health Statistics.
Unions stagnate growth and innovation in so many ways. This is a succinct example. Unions want to protect a pay and benefits package negotiated at a time when the technology supported by their benefactor was completely different than it is now. Even though technological advancement in the marketplace has indicated that what has heretofore supported them is going to eventually cease to exist, they would rather kill the company by forcing it to remain stagnant than allow it to grow.
This they don't get. Everything about them is me, me, me - my, my my, mine; a short-term vision with little to no idea that in order for any company to stay viable is to adapt. Talking to some of these folks brings home right quick the misbegotten notion they have that all companies exist, or should, to provide jobs, without a good grasp on just what a job is. They do not grasp that a job is a piece of work that needs doing; without the work, there is no "job" to do. There is simply less and less landline work to do and that's not likely to change.
One other thing involved here is that Verizon is contributing toward paying retirees for their prescription costs (Feds subsidize to cover the gap between *here* and Medicare), which I did not know. Shades of GM. Thanks to Obamacare, this is going away.
I witnessed all of this years ago with Western Union. The union was bound and determined that nothing about 'work' should change while the technology had already exceeded the need for so many people. And they were damned ungrateful about everything connected with 'work'. Union contract called for two 15-minute breaks a day and an hour for lunch. Fridays would come, they would take their paychecks, run to the bank during their first break, and then complain bitterly they had to use their break-time to do their banking business.
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...They do not grasp that a job is a piece of work that needs doing; without the work, there is no "job" to do....
Precisely.
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I seem to recall during the early years of Rush's show, probably sometime around 1992 or 93, he had a segment about a union at a fruit juice processing plant and warehouse. It may have been Tropicana, I'm not sure. Anyhow their big beef was the company using more and more motorized forklifts and other loading equipment. The unions complained about it eliminating jobs because a machine can do the physical work of several people. The company wanted to automate and mechanize as much as possible, because it allowed them to move more product faster, hence they could sell the product more competitively. I'm not sure how that ended up, but that was one of my earliest lessons on how unions stifle innovation and efficiency, and how they are ultimately costs that the consumer (us) must bear.
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During WWII automobile production ceased, the plants were used to manufacture military parts, and technology grew exponentially. After the war they wanted to employ this new knowledge of automation and robotics in automobile manufacture and assembly. Unions ::speechless:: ::unknowncomic::