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Re: Game of Thrones
« Reply #40 on: April 20, 2015, 11:22:06 AM »
  I consider the unconscious and visceral reaction people have as proof that healthy people know they are seeing something repulsive and unnatural, no matter how much effort is made to normalize it.

I grew up in Colorado.  I did not encounter a Cockroach until  I went to school in New York City.  I had a visceral reaction to it.  Simply seeing it made me want to vomit. (it was just crawling along the floor, it wasn't on anything else disgusting..)  Some deep instinct told me, if you ate something with that around it wasn't good.

I have the same reaction to even thinking about gay sex, much less seeing it. I doubt any amount of  "normalization" in the media is really going to change that- as the instinct IS to shield my eyes, as much as it was to vomit at the cockroach.  Sorry gay people,  what you do is disgusting to me, and always will be, no matter how much gay porn you put on to "normalize" it.  I don't really care what you do in the bedroom,  but you will never have my approval, nor will I ever consider it "normal". Tolerable is the best you will get, and since that isn't good enough for you,  I really don't care if you are hunted to extinction at this point.
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Re: Game of Thrones
« Reply #41 on: April 20, 2015, 11:43:45 AM »
I almost forgot.

Game of Thrones? Never saw it. And now that I know they have fudge packers in it I never will.

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Re: Game of Thrones
« Reply #42 on: April 20, 2015, 11:45:40 AM »
Here's the thing about the fag scenes, which I was discussing with some coworkers.  Everyone I know has mentioned that they have a viscerally negative reaction to it, and shield their eyes.  This includes people who are otherwise accepting of homos (and I used to be that as well -- accepting -- that is until it became obvious their agenda isn't about "tolerance" at all).  I consider the unconscious and visceral reaction people have as proof that healthy people know they are seeing something repulsive and unnatural, no matter how much effort is made to normalize it.

And yes Libertas, Margaery (Natalie Dormer) is my fav too :).  On a show with an ample supply of attractive females it's tough to pick a favorite, but she has an almost feline look.  A real kitten!

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« Reply #43 on: April 20, 2015, 11:50:51 AM »
Yeah, I got on my moral high-horse there a bit and I didn't intend to denigrate your choices, IDP, or that of others, so thanks for being gracious about it.

I didn't feel like my choices were denigrated at all. If anything, you expressed thoughts I have every time I watch such programming. I know that every time I watch one of these shows, I'm justifying something, and I still do it anyway. So your post didn't make me face anything I haven't faced before. You have the strength of your convictions regarding what you feed to your eyes and heart, and I admire it. I personally don't draw the line in the same place, but again, I justify, and I'm ok with it - even though it niggles at me when I do.
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Re: Game of Thrones
« Reply #44 on: April 20, 2015, 12:48:02 PM »
Back to the content of this season.... They are departing from the books in major ways this season. I think a lot of it has to do with creating dynamics between characters/actors that fans will love.

Tyrion is on his way to Mereen to meet Danerys. That is a possible suggested trajectory in the books, but it hasn't happened yet.

Jaime is on his way to retrieve his daughter Marcella from Dorne, accompanied by the hired sword Bronn. That never happened in the books at all. There, they will presumably encounter Prince Doran Martell (played by Alexander Siddig - Dr. Julian Bashir on STDS9) - an encounter which hasn't been suggested in the books.

Lady Brienne and Podrick are teamed up trying to retrieve Sansa Stark from Littlefinger. Brienne and Pod were never a duo in the books.

I would imagine that trying to move a story forward on over a half dozen different simultaneously unfolding fronts in a series of 5 to 10 minute vignettes is a monumental task. It seems to me that a component of doing it successfully has to be to consider the actors and the characters they portray, and creating encounters between them that serve the story and play well with the audience. It also seems that as it gets further into the story, those decisions being less dependent upon source material would be a natural direction.

Who didn't enjoy the banter between Jaime and Bronn after Jaime's amputation? It was TV magic - a buddy-pairing for the ages.  Why not expand on it, and make them a team in the new season? Who doesn't want to see interaction between under-rated acting powerhouses like Nikolaj Coster Waldau and Alexander Siddig? Make it happen! Who isn't curious about what would happen if the Imp of House Lannister were to meet the Mother of Dragons? Let's do it! Who doesn't appreciate the brooding, scowling, lawful-good noble badassery of Brienne of Tarth played against the loyal-to-a-fault naiveté of Podrick? Road-trip!

As someone who appreciates the books, I'm not having difficulty accepting the changes made to adapt to TV. They could leave out the faggot crap, but other than that, they're doing a good job of it.
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Re: Game of Thrones
« Reply #45 on: April 20, 2015, 01:49:34 PM »
Who didn't enjoy the banter between Jaime and Bronn after Jaime's amputation? It was TV magic - a buddy-pairing for the ages.  Why not expand on it, and make them a team in the new season? Who doesn't want to see interaction between under-rated acting powerhouses like Nikolaj Coster Waldau and Alexander Siddig? Make it happen! Who isn't curious about what would happen if the Imp of House Lannister were to meet the Mother of Dragons? Let's do it! Who doesn't appreciate the brooding, scowling, lawful-good noble badassery of Brienne of Tarth played against the loyal-to-a-fault naiveté of Podrick? Road-trip!


When Jaime told Cersei of his intent to travel to Dorne and get their daughter back, I knew he was going to enlist Bronn in that effort.  Over the last 2 seasons Bronn became one of my favorite secondary characters.  He has that badass sort of aloof, morally ambivalent demeanor.  It will be interesting to see how they proceed in their journey, and how much they play off of Jaime's reputation as a master swordsman (though now unable to fight) with Bronn's actual swordsmanship.
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Re: Game of Thrones
« Reply #46 on: April 20, 2015, 09:18:48 PM »
I almost forgot.

Game of Thrones? Never saw it. And now that I know they have fudge packers in it I never will.

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Re: Game of Thrones
« Reply #47 on: April 21, 2015, 06:46:29 AM »
I almost forgot.

Game of Thrones? Never saw it. And now that I know they have fudge packers in it I never will.

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Q-Why do you hate gays?

A-I am normal.

Counter Q - Feel better?

Why yes - yes I do!

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Re: Game of Thrones
« Reply #48 on: April 21, 2015, 06:48:26 AM »
So...

Trouble brewing in Mereen and help (good or bad) is on the way?

Maybe entry into the city should have a height requirement?   ;D
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« Reply #49 on: April 21, 2015, 07:17:12 AM »
They have to depart from the books as the books will never be finished.  Instead of finishing his books, Martin is already off working on another series.  ::pullhair::

Face it.  The only way this series will be finished is by a

GEORGE RR MARTIN

With Brandon Sanderson

kind of arrangement.  The producers are already working as such is happening.

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« Reply #50 on: April 21, 2015, 12:22:11 PM »
So...

Trouble brewing in Mereen and help (good or bad) is on the way?

Maybe entry into the city should have a height requirement?   ;D


I think Varys and Tyrion are going to show Danerys that she can't govern from her high minded idealism alone.  She needs shrewd, calculating pragmatists in her retinue of advisers.  I do think their initial reception is going to be a cold one, possibly even dangerous, since Danerys and Barristan Selmy know Varys was the spymaster handling Jorah previously.  But I think Varys and Tyrion will prove they cannot possibly be loyal to any other claimants in Westeros, and in fact have prices on their heads there.

I'm very interested in how these separate plot lines are going to begin merging.  We see the Tyrion/Varys plot line now merging with the Danerys plot line, and the Stannis/Melisandre/Davos plot line merging with the Jon Snow plot line.  I think somehow we're going to see that Danerys' immunity to fire factors in with Melisandre's whole "Lord of Light" and sacrificing people to him by burning them alive.

I'm also glad to see the return of Jaqen H'gar, or the entity that previously called itself that.  The mysterious dialog between him and Arya is pretty cool.
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Re: Game of Thrones
« Reply #51 on: April 21, 2015, 01:09:31 PM »
...I'm very interested in how these separate plot lines are going to begin merging.  We see the Tyrion/Varys plot line now merging with the Danerys plot line, and the Stannis/Melisandre/Davos plot line merging with the Jon Snow plot line.  I think somehow we're going to see that Danerys' immunity to fire factors in with Melisandre's whole "Lord of Light" and sacrificing people to him by burning them alive.

I'm also glad to see the return of Jaqen H'gar, or the entity that previously called itself that.  The mysterious dialog between him and Arya is pretty cool.

There is a very credible theory among book enthusiasts that Jon Snow's actual mother is Ned Stark's sister Lyanna, and that his actual father is Prince Rhaegar Targaryen, who abducted her, beginning the war that would depose him to Robert Baratheon. The theory goes that Ned claimed the bastard Snow as his own in an effort to protect the honor of his sister, as well as the identity of Jon as a Targaryan bastard. Several clues planted in the books point to this, which would make Jon Snow and Daenerys Targaryan blood half-siblings.

Another credible theory is that Tyrion Lannister is the product of The Mad King Aeris Targaryan raping Tywin's wife Joanna Lannister. This would make Tyrion the uncle of Daenerys and Jon. Many clues point to this as well.

If true, it would fulfill the "three dragon's" prophecy. Daenerys Targaryan, Tyrion Lannister, and Jon Snow - Targaryan "dragon" blood to unite Westeros.

Lots to chew on.
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« Reply #52 on: April 21, 2015, 01:48:16 PM »
Very interesting theories, and definitely plausible.  I've suspected for a while now that there's more to Jon Snow's background than being simply the bastard offspring of Ned Stark and a common woman.  The last conversation he had with Ned, Ned promised that next time they met he'd tell him about his mother.

I had been thinking maybe his mother was a noblewoman, but because of the scandal it would cause they had decided to claim his mother was a lowborn commoner.  The theory of him being Ned's sister's son, fathered by a Targaryen, makes even more sense though, and certainly ties in with this air of "specialness" around Jon Snow.

ETA - if he was fathered by Rhaegar Targaryen, wouldn't that make him Danerys' nephew rather than sibling?  Rhaegar was her older brother, right?
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Re: Game of Thrones
« Reply #53 on: April 21, 2015, 02:33:05 PM »
See, this is why we need women (well, one of the reasons, anyway! :) ) to explain all this familial relationship stuff...it always messes with my head!  ::bashing::
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« Reply #54 on: April 21, 2015, 03:27:53 PM »
Very interesting theories, and definitely plausible.  I've suspected for a while now that there's more to Jon Snow's background than being simply the bastard offspring of Ned Stark and a common woman.  The last conversation he had with Ned, Ned promised that next time they met he'd tell him about his mother.

I had been thinking maybe his mother was a noblewoman, but because of the scandal it would cause they had decided to claim his mother was a lowborn commoner.  The theory of him being Ned's sister's son, fathered by a Targaryen, makes even more sense though, and certainly ties in with this air of "specialness" around Jon Snow.

ETA - if he was fathered by Rhaegar Targaryen, wouldn't that make him Danerys' nephew rather than sibling?  Rhaegar was her older brother, right?

Yup. Tough to keep it straight! I was thinking Rhaegar was the son of Aeris, and the father of Daenerys and Viserys. But all three were the children of Aeris, which makes it just as you say.
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« Reply #55 on: April 22, 2015, 10:03:12 AM »
   I lost track of the blacksmith son of the dead king. But for all the talk about John snow I can't help but feel that the young Stark daughter has a much bigger role in all this.
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« Reply #56 on: April 22, 2015, 10:34:40 AM »
   I lost track of the blacksmith son of the dead king. But for all the talk about John snow I can't help but feel that the young Stark daughter has a much bigger role in all this.

That blacksmith bastard Gendry was held captive by Melisandre and used for blood ritual, until he was released by the Onion Knight, Ser Davos, and sent on a boat back to King's Landing. That was season 3, and he hasn't been heard from since.
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« Reply #57 on: April 22, 2015, 11:28:46 AM »
   I lost track of the blacksmith son of the dead king. But for all the talk about John snow I can't help but feel that the young Stark daughter has a much bigger role in all this.

That blacksmith bastard Gendry was held captive by Melisandre and used for blood ritual, until he was released by the Onion Knight, Ser Davos, and sent on a boat back to King's Landing. That was season 3, and he hasn't been heard from since.

 He's got to pop up soon,they just can't leave him out there for ever.
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« Reply #58 on: April 28, 2015, 06:58:52 AM »
I finally got all caught up.

I have to say, they sure took their time killing off that sadistic little bastard kingling...

And who would have thought the least repulsive Lannister would consistently be the dwarf?  He may be a drunk and letcherous hump, but he actually treats most people better than they are treated by their own kind...

PS-Stay away from all weddings!

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Re: Game of Thrones
« Reply #59 on: April 29, 2015, 06:45:49 AM »
So, given the twist in the last episode...should we establish odds if Davos collects on his small fee?

I say the little bugger wriggles free...

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