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Title: Walking Dead
Post by: Predator Don on October 17, 2011, 02:12:35 PM
OK. AMC hit Walking Dead had its season premier Sunday nite. Wondered if there were any other dead heads who enjoy the series.

Personally, I believe the series is close to real life, as if there is choas on day, there will be millions of brain dead zombies walking the earth.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Pandora on October 17, 2011, 02:19:50 PM
We watched, too.  Been waiting for the new season.

Was I the only one hollering, at the traffic jam, for somebody to hurry up and get on top of the RV with binocs and a gun?
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: BMG on October 17, 2011, 02:26:25 PM
I turned off my TV a few years ago so I don't watch any of the TV-related programs unless I stumble across something in NetFlix that looks interesting. Just got so darn tired of paying subscription/cable fees, having 120 channels and only ever watching 2-3.

However, I assume that since y'all are posting here about this particular show that it could well be alright. I'll have to poke around NetFlix and see if it's there.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Predator Don on October 17, 2011, 02:28:10 PM
I turned off my TV a few years ago so I don't watch any of the TV-related programs unless I stumble across something in NetFlix that looks interesting. Just got so darn tired of paying subscription/cable fees, having 120 channels and only ever watching 2-3.

However, I assume that since y'all are posting here about this particular show that it could well be alright. I'll have to poke around NetFlix and see if it's there.


If you like zombies getting their heads caved in, its the show for you..... ::whoohoo:: ::hysterical::
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: BMG on October 17, 2011, 02:42:20 PM
So, I found it on NetFlix and went ahead and added it to my queue. I'll see what all the hubbub is about.  :D
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Alphabet Soup on October 17, 2011, 03:54:30 PM
I don't do much boob-toob either.

So I checked out Walking Dead at: http://www.amctv.com/shows/the-walking-dead (http://www.amctv.com/shows/the-walking-dead)

Other than a lot of yak-yak padding it's been bloody good fun  ;D


Edit: altard-proofed
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 17, 2011, 04:22:54 PM
We watched every episode of season one, and caught season 2 opener last night. I've always been a huge fan of the George Romero style zombie flicks, and this series seems to me like a character-driven serial version of the same genre in the same style. For the most part, we like it a lot.

Because it's a series, it moves a little slower than a feature film. But as in all good zombie movies, what this show really is, is a depiction of human behavior and interaction once the fabric of society is blown to smithereens - the zombies and the gore are just a gratuitous backdrop for the human drama.

One gripe about the season 2 opener: they advertised it as a "90 minute special event". It was really just a slightly extended episode with a helluva lot more commercials.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Predator Don on October 17, 2011, 04:48:51 PM
We watched every episode of season one, and caught season 2 opener last night. I've always been a huge fan of the George Romero style zombie flicks, and this series seems to me like a character-driven serial version of the same genre in the same style. For the most part, we like it a lot.

Because it's a series, it moves a little slower than a feature film. But as in all good zombie movies, what this show really is, is a depiction of human behavior and interaction once the fabric of society is blown to smithereens - the zombies and the gore are just a gratuitous backdrop for the human drama.

One gripe about the season 2 opener: they advertised it as a "90 minute special event". It was really just a slightly extended episode with a helluva lot more commercials.



I noticed a development of the characters over last year. Some decent storylines as far as characters. I DVR'ed and watched later, so I missed the commercials.....on purpose.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Libertas on October 18, 2011, 08:17:39 PM
I think I spotted some zombies on the CNN debate stage tonight!

 ::rimshot::
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Predator Don on October 19, 2011, 12:50:16 AM
I think I spotted some zombies on the CNN debate stage tonight!

 ::rimshot::


The walking dead......
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Delnorin on October 19, 2011, 01:18:39 AM
OK. AMC hit Walking Dead had its season premier Sunday nite. Wondered if there were any other dead heads who enjoy the series.

Personally, I believe the series is close to real life, as if there is choas on day, there will be millions of brain dead zombies walking the earth.

Just this past week I watched the entire first season on Netflix.  Fantastic show.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 19, 2011, 07:02:22 AM
Anyone who's a fan of the genre needs to see the George Romero/Tom Savini 1990 remake of the original (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0100258/) "Night of the Living Dead", starring Tony Todd (Candyman, Star Trek the Next Generation/Star Trek DS9) as "Ben", and Patricia Tallman (Babylon5, Jurassic Park as Laura Dern's stunt-double) as Barbara.

It is faithful to the original in every important aspect. The storyline is essentially exactly the same, with better acting, better special effects, and better filmmaking. They even use the original dialogue in key areas, and George Romero wrote the screenplay based on his original. They even give a hat-tip to the often contemplated "they're so slow, you could just walk through them" critique of the genre, by having Barbara just say it outright, and then do it, as she moves slowly through a sparse pack of zombies, just pushing them away from her as she moves forward. But of course, as always, the horde wins in the end through sheer numbers.

Highly recommended. Also highly recommended is the George Romero "Dawn of the Dead" remake starring Sarah Polley and Ving Rhames, although this one bears much less resemblance to its original - and the zombies are fast.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Delnorin on October 19, 2011, 07:05:26 AM
Fast Zombies suck.

No.. not Vampiric Zombies.. that would make sense they'd be fast. :)

But come on... some laws are not supposed to be broken.

Zombies=Sheer Numbers and needing to destroy their brain... it's bad enough when there are 1000's of them and only you with 30 rounds of ammo and a baseball bat.

Making them fast too?  LAME!
Jumping the Shark
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 19, 2011, 07:27:23 AM
Fast Zombies suck.

No.. not Vampiric Zombies.. that would make sense they'd be fast. :)

But come on... some laws are not supposed to be broken.

Zombies=Sheer Numbers and needing to destroy their brain... it's bad enough when there are 1000's of them and only you with 30 rounds of ammo and a baseball bat.

Making them fast too?  LAME!
Jumping the Shark

Have you seen the 2004 "Dawn of the Dead" remake? Or how about "28 Days Later" and "28 Weeks Later"? Fast zombies. And IMHO, some of the best zombie flicks ever made.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Libertas on October 19, 2011, 07:29:32 AM
You just gotta have more ammo.

 ;D
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 19, 2011, 07:36:38 AM
You just gotta have more ammo.

 ;D

Or... you could be "Alice" in the Resident Evil flicks, and carry twin revolvers that never run out.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Libertas on October 19, 2011, 07:40:21 AM
You just gotta have more ammo.

 ;D

Or... you could be "Alice" in the Resident Evil flicks, and carry twin revolvers that never run out.

Mmm, Alice.  The revolvers would be nice too.

ETA -

[Imagine a picture here of a hot chick with two big revolvers]
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 19, 2011, 07:52:40 AM
No pic shows up...

 ::thinking::
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Libertas on October 19, 2011, 08:41:15 AM
Did that work?
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 19, 2011, 08:45:58 AM
Did that work?

Nope, still can't see it. There's a blank box where the picture tries to load, but when the page fully loads, even the blank box goes away.

But that's OK. I know what Alice looks like...

 ::pimp:: ::pimp:: ::pimp:: ::pimp:: ::pimp:: ::pimp:: ::pimp::

(http://nerdreactor.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Milla-Jovovich.jpg)
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Libertas on October 19, 2011, 08:48:28 AM
Must be hotlinking blocks on some sites.

 ::gaah::
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Pandora on October 19, 2011, 09:29:37 AM
If you want to see some fast zombies, see "I Am Legend".  Will Smith; good actor, good movie.

Speaking of, I understand his wife is trashing their marriage, and J-Lo's, by engaging in the no-no with Marc Anthony.  Tsk.  And they all have children, too.  They got a liiiiitle too cozy, no doubt, on the set of Jada's TV show.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Libertas on October 19, 2011, 10:14:40 AM
Yeah, the undead are decidedly meaner and more cunning in that flick.
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As for as the rest goes...Hollyweird peoples...   ::)
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Delnorin on October 20, 2011, 06:12:58 AM
Have you seen the 2004 "Dawn of the Dead" remake? Or how about "28 Days Later" and "28 Weeks Later"? Fast zombies. And IMHO, some of the best zombie flicks ever made.

Bah.. Netflix won't stream that movie.  I'd have to put it in the Queue and come between my wife and her chick flicks.  That's more dangerous than a zombie. :)
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Delnorin on October 20, 2011, 06:13:51 AM
If you want to see some fast zombies, see "I Am Legend".  Will Smith; good actor, good movie.

Speaking of, I understand his wife is trashing their marriage, and J-Lo's, by engaging in the no-no with Marc Anthony.  Tsk.  And they all have children, too.  They got a liiiiitle too cozy, no doubt, on the set of Jada's TV show.

I considered those more Vampires than Zombies because of their affliction to daylight (burning, etc).
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Delnorin on October 20, 2011, 06:19:50 AM
2006 - Zombie Wars


Do not waste the 3:00 minutes it took before I decided to push stop.
Save 3 minutes of your life.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Libertas on October 20, 2011, 07:08:47 AM
I've seen so many movies and shows...I can't remember the name, perhpas someone here will...There was a flick about people surviving zombies in L.A. and people trapped in one building saw a survivor across several blocks on another rooftop.  The first group started playing a game with the one guy who had a scoped rifle...would write down a name of a famous person, and the lone gunman would scan the zombies down below and shoot them.  The people on the roof flashed up a sign reading "Jay Leno", the lone gunman read it and started scanning the streets, sure enough in his sights was a white-haired zombie in a suit who looked like Jay Leno..."pop" goes his head and everybody cheers.  Such is entertainment in the zombie apocalypse!
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 20, 2011, 07:36:17 AM
I've seen so many movies and shows...I can't remember the name, perhpas someone here will...There was a flick about people surviving zombies in L.A. and people trapped in one building saw a survivor across several blocks on another rooftop.  The first group started playing a game with the one guy who had a scoped rifle...would write down a name of a famous person, and the lone gunman would scan the zombies down below and shoot them.  The people on the roof flashed up a sign reading "Jay Leno", the lone gunman read it and started scanning the streets, sure enough in his sights was a white-haired zombie in a suit who looked like Jay Leno..."pop" goes his head and everybody cheers.  Such is entertainment in the zombie apocalypse!

That was the 2004 remake of "Dawn of the Dead". He shot "Jay Leno", "Rosie O'Donnell", and "Burt Reynolds". The guy on the other roof was named Andy, and the roof he was on was the gun shop he owned. The main group of people were trapped in a shopping mall. I believe (not sure) they were in Detroit, not LA. For some reason that's what I'm remembering.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Libertas on October 20, 2011, 08:22:12 AM
I've seen so many movies and shows...I can't remember the name, perhpas someone here will...There was a flick about people surviving zombies in L.A. and people trapped in one building saw a survivor across several blocks on another rooftop.  The first group started playing a game with the one guy who had a scoped rifle...would write down a name of a famous person, and the lone gunman would scan the zombies down below and shoot them.  The people on the roof flashed up a sign reading "Jay Leno", the lone gunman read it and started scanning the streets, sure enough in his sights was a white-haired zombie in a suit who looked like Jay Leno..."pop" goes his head and everybody cheers.  Such is entertainment in the zombie apocalypse!

That was the 2004 remake of "Dawn of the Dead". He shot "Jay Leno", "Rosie O'Donnell", and "Burt Reynolds". The guy on the other roof was named Andy, and the roof he was on was the gun shop he owned. The main group of people were trapped in a shopping mall. I believe (not sure) they were in Detroit, not LA. For some reason that's what I'm remembering.

Sounds right, I could've gotten the city wrong...seen a lot of zombie flicks!
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Predator Don on October 20, 2011, 12:27:56 PM
It was the re make of Dawn of the Dead..... I liked it.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Pandora on October 20, 2011, 01:18:56 PM
AHA!!  Vindicated!! (http://hotair.com/archives/2011/10/19/is-the-walking-dead-a-bad-show/comment-page-1/#comment-5022621)

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I like the show but man these people have no tactical sense whatsoever. I couldn’t believe they were letting the kids walk around those cars/graveyard by themselves, or didn’t have someone up on the roof of that motor home immediately, let alone still be trying to drive that thing when there are all sorts of vehicles at hand.

aikidoka on October 19, 2011 at 10:32 PM

HotAir commenter on TWD thread.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Alphabet Soup on October 20, 2011, 02:03:50 PM
I caught myself thinking the same thing when I watched the season II episode on the web. Of course I haven't seen any of the other episodes so I haven't a clue what's going on (beyond the obvious about zombies). Then I scolded myself, "Relax silly - it's just a TV program!"

Of course we would do things differently...  ::overkill::

 ;D
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Delnorin on October 20, 2011, 06:42:23 PM
(http://nerdreactor.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Milla-Jovovich.jpg)

You guys need to be more careful.  I live in Arizona.  I always have to think about dehydration.
I just lost 3 cups of saliva from drooling....

Thanks!   ::rockets::
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Predator Don on October 20, 2011, 08:06:41 PM
(http://nerdreactor.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Milla-Jovovich.jpg)

You guys need to be more careful.  I live in Arizona.  I always have to think about dehydration.
I just lost 3 cups of saliva from drooling....

Thanks!   ::rockets::


Man, if she had a bunch of tats she really be hot. ::stirpot::
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 20, 2011, 10:15:04 PM
Man, if she had a bunch of tats she really be hot. ::stirpot::

 ::hysterical:: ::bows::
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Libertas on October 21, 2011, 07:13:51 AM
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(http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/aetsch/cheeky-smiley-033.gif)
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: trapeze on October 23, 2011, 10:02:47 PM
Sounds like everyone here is a fan of The Walking Dead. I have not seen a single episode. I thought that I might begin watching it until I heard rumblings against it at AoS. Today they posted this decidedly negative critique from BigHollywood. (http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/kschlichter/2011/10/19/is-the-walking-dead-terminal-yes-because-its-stupid/) Here's a quote:

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The liberal premise is that firearms are to be reserved to an elite is obnoxious – in fact, one key sub-plot in the premiere is that they took the gun belonging to one woman away, and refused to give it back to her even after she was nearly eaten because she was unarmed. I can’t abide a zombie flick that would earn the Brady Campaign’s seal of approval.

Maybe they could solve the training “problem” by actually training the civilians, but that never seemed to occur to the self-appointed leaders. In fact, the two cops don’t seem interested in preparing the civilians at all. Instead, they spend most of their time talking about their feelings. It’s agonizing.

Here is the thing about the hero that ‘TWD’ itself does not seem to realize. He’s completely inept, and over the course of the show, his failure to perform with even the most minimal level of tactical competence has directly led to scores of survivors ending up as zombie chow.

The ‘TWD‘ producers like to talk about how their show is about the people, not the zombies. Why that’s supposed to be a good thing is unclear.  Regardless, part of the payoff should be watching people we like and root for, not ones who are so lame that the entire series seems to consist of them doing stupid things in the first five minutes and then trying to unscrew them for the next hour.

After reading this review I am having a very hard time working up the effort needed to watch an episode. Is there anyone here who wants to take issue with this review and explain why this show is really, really good and worth watching?
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Alphabet Soup on October 23, 2011, 10:12:53 PM
It isn't really really good. It's television for cripes sake!

Actually I was going to ask Pan what she thought of that one scene (where they confiscate the woman's handgun). I figured that they did it so as to set us the friction for a future confrontation. Obviously there is no way I would ever relinquish my firearm without serious consideration or even more serious recourse.

I'm a glutton for Sci-Fi and although not so much for horror, I do like (some) zombie movies. I do like the mental calisthenics involved in imagining scenarios and outcomes. That is why I checked out the episode and why I will go back to the website next week to see if I can view more.

Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 23, 2011, 10:17:44 PM
Yeah, I read that negative review last week. I can understand the point of view, but I disagree that it makes for bad entertainment. It's a good show in my opinion.

Zombie flicks ARE about human interaction under stress against the backdrop of apocalypse, and the blood & guts are the candy.

This show never fails to deliver the candy. The gore is first-class, as is the suspense. As far as the "feelings" critique, to each his own, I guess. I understand that for a program to be interesting week-to-week, viewers have to care about what happens to the characters. That requires more than a superficial exploration of human interpersonal relations. It requires character development, and than means characters are going to be dealing with a serial story, which means relationships, which means emotions - referred to as "feelings" by a cynic.

If you like zombie flicks, just watch the first few episodes of season 1. I don't think you'll be disappointed.

Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Pandora on October 23, 2011, 10:22:42 PM
It isn't really really good. It's television for cripes sake!

Exactly.  It's a tv show.  No need to get exercised.

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Actually I was going to ask Pan what she thought of that one scene (where they confiscate the woman's handgun). I figured that they did it so as to set us the friction for a future confrontation. Obviously there is no way I would ever relinquish my firearm without serious consideration or even more serious recourse.

I say it sucks; they'd have had a major confrontation on their hands had it been me.  I suggest your premise is wrong as to purpose; the old, RV-driver guy is in love with her and he doesn't want her offing herself.  Just tonight I averred they ought to give her the damn gun and if she offs herself -- SO BE IT!

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I'm a glutton for Sci-Fi and although not so much for horror, I do like (some) zombie movies. I do like the mental calisthenics involved in imagining scenarios and outcomes. That is why I checked out the episode and why I will go back to the website next week to see if I can view more.

As said, it's a TV show.  There's no gratuitous sex, no cussing -- gee, do I ask for much? -- and while the plot and character development leaves much to be desired, so does television programming as a whole.  There's a world of speculating to be done, though, as you say, Soup, in imagining how it ought be done/how we'd do it, and there's some value in that.

For what it's worth.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Predator Don on October 24, 2011, 11:38:15 AM
There is character development in season 2. For the most part,season 1 was just killin zombies. As a cynic, I look for the sublime message but I really don't believe there is one regarding who carries a gun.

The old guy loves the girl and doesn't want her to off herself.....It was set up well within the storyline. My theory is they will both off themselves just before they are eaten.


BTW, Pan, there was a sex scene in season one.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Libertas on October 24, 2011, 12:01:49 PM
"BTW, Pan, there was a sex scene in season one."

I hope no zombies were involved!

 ::speechless::

 ::puke::
 
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Alphabet Soup on October 24, 2011, 12:35:50 PM
Thanks for the clarification. I haven't seen any of season 1 so I knew I came in without the benefit of the plot buildup. I may have to go find a season 1 DVD...
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Pandora on October 24, 2011, 12:39:22 PM
There is character development in season 2. For the most part,season 1 was just killin zombies. As a cynic, I look for the sublime message but I really don't believe there is one regarding who carries a gun.

The old guy loves the girl and doesn't want her to off herself.....It was set up well within the storyline. My theory is they will both off themselves just before they are eaten.


BTW, Pan, there was a sex scene in season one.

Okay.  And that's how much impression it made -- I didn't even recall it.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 24, 2011, 12:43:41 PM
Thanks for the clarification. I haven't seen any of season 1 so I knew I came in without the benefit of the plot buildup. I may have to go find a season 1 DVD...

Definitely, if you're going to bother watching season 2, do a season 1 marathon and get up to speed. Just my .02¢.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 24, 2011, 12:44:31 PM
There is character development in season 2. For the most part,season 1 was just killin zombies. As a cynic, I look for the sublime message but I really don't believe there is one regarding who carries a gun.

The old guy loves the girl and doesn't want her to off herself.....It was set up well within the storyline. My theory is they will both off themselves just before they are eaten.


BTW, Pan, there was a sex scene in season one.

Okay.  And that's how much impression it made -- I didn't even recall it.

It was an "in the dirt" quickie between Shane and what's her face, while they still thought Rick was dead.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Glock32 on October 24, 2011, 12:47:18 PM
I'm pretty sure that nowadays the preferred term is Ambulatory Deceased.


 ::rimshot::
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Pandora on October 24, 2011, 12:49:40 PM
There is character development in season 2. For the most part,season 1 was just killin zombies. As a cynic, I look for the sublime message but I really don't believe there is one regarding who carries a gun.

The old guy loves the girl and doesn't want her to off herself.....It was set up well within the storyline. My theory is they will both off themselves just before they are eaten.


BTW, Pan, there was a sex scene in season one.

Okay.  And that's how much impression it made -- I didn't even recall it.

It was an "in the dirt" quickie between Shane and what's her face, while they still thought Rick was dead.

Ahhhh ..... a glimmer of recall now comes.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Pandora on October 24, 2011, 12:50:26 PM
I'm pretty sure that nowadays the preferred term is Ambulatory Deceased.


 ::rimshot::

Right.  Don't want to offend the Zombies.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Delnorin on October 24, 2011, 12:58:54 PM
Definitely, if you're going to bother watching season 2, do a season 1 marathon and get up to speed. Just my .02¢.

Three weeks ago I spent 4-5 days and on NetFlix I watched the entire Season 1.  I have seen nothing of Season 2 yet (though this morning I set up the DVR to record a couple shows on AMC this coming Sunday).

I quite enjoyed Season 1.  And being in the marathon type of viewing it was addictive and very enjoyable.  Sort of like Lost.  While in Baghdad, Iraq I watched Lost Seasons 1-5 (about 6 shows per day).  I did the same with Alias, Star Trek The Next Generation, Star Trek Voyager, Star Trek Deep Space Nine, Star Trek .... etc etc.  There were like 12 TV series I watched like that.. something to help keep the sanity while over there.

Anyway; I loved the show.  There were times when I was frustrated with things because I'd rather have seen the story or the character do something different.. but hey... if I want it different... I can write my own book and have it picked up and turned into a movie.  ::praying::

Wandering-Conversation-Translation-Summary: I thought Season 1 was good.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Alphabet Soup on October 24, 2011, 01:07:23 PM
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Wandering-Conversation-Translation-Summary

I can relate!
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Predator Don on October 24, 2011, 01:15:24 PM
There are a different set of writers for season 2. Can't remember why, but I remember reading about it.

Anyone take in the b (maybe c) grade zombie movies playing on AMC until halloween? Pretty bad. I'm ashamed to say I've watched them..... ::hysterical::
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Delnorin on October 26, 2011, 10:44:15 AM
Here we go.  Government looking for more people to become zombies.
 www.theblaze.com/stories/ohio-town-solicits-zombie-volunteers-to-test-emergency-preparedness-plan/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/ohio-town-solicits-zombie-volunteers-to-test-emergency-preparedness-plan/)
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Libertas on October 26, 2011, 11:12:59 AM
They want real zombies?

Get a list of registered democrats!

 ::)
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Damn_Lucky on October 26, 2011, 12:42:38 PM
Just go to Wall St.or Oakland or any occupy location there should be plenty. ::puke::
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: benb61 on October 26, 2011, 06:05:11 PM
What I don't quite understand is ...  zombies that run.  wtf?
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 26, 2011, 06:08:06 PM
What I don't quite understand is ...  zombies that run.  wtf?

I kinda like the modification of the zombies on TWD. They amble around aimlessly, just like they're supposed to. But they can move more quickly when aroused to feed. They don't really run, and they certainly don't sprint. They just pick it up a few notches and sorta speed-walk.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Pandora on October 26, 2011, 08:41:50 PM
It's the Zombie Supah-Shuffle.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Libertas on October 27, 2011, 06:31:10 AM
Even the "Supah-Shuffle" is slow enough to not require a whole lot of lateral target leading...I want to see tight groups when people pull triggers!

 ;)
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Predator Don on October 27, 2011, 10:34:28 AM
If you want to see zombies run, rent the movie Zombieland. ::hysterical::
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 27, 2011, 05:15:31 PM
Zombieland (at least IMHO, is in the "so dumb it's funny" category, leaning more towards dumb.

But the whole Bill Murray storyline as a standalone act of the movie is some of the best comedy I've ever seen. Definitely worth watching the movie just for that payoff.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Delnorin on October 27, 2011, 09:24:20 PM
I missed season 2 episodes so far... but found where you can watch them online:

http://www.amctv.com/the-walking-dead/videos/the-walking-dead-episode-201 (http://www.amctv.com/the-walking-dead/videos/the-walking-dead-episode-201)
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Libertas on October 28, 2011, 06:41:19 AM
Haven't seen Zombieland, will have to check that out.

I thought Shaun of the Dead was hilarious...especially the part where Simon Pegg's character gets up the morning of the zombie apocalypse and mindlessly goes about his routine, not noticing the undead...

 ::laughonfloor::

Thanks for the WD link Delnorin, I've caught most episodes but there some I've missed (not TiVo owner), will have to fill in the blanks as I can!
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 28, 2011, 08:51:55 AM
Haven't seen Zombieland, will have to check that out....

I'm tellin' ya, if you like Bill Murray at his best, it's a must-see. It's kind of like an extended cameo, or a vignette within the film. Comedy gold. Hint: Bill Murray plays... Bill Murray.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Predator Don on October 28, 2011, 02:52:13 PM
Haven't seen Zombieland, will have to check that out....

I'm tellin' ya, if you like Bill Murray at his best, it's a must-see. It's kind of like an extended cameo, or a vignette within the film. Comedy gold. Hint: Bill Murray plays... Bill Murray.


Zombieland is a hoot. You are correct, so stupid you gotts laugh. The Bill Murray piece is classic comedy. ::hysterical:: I won't spoil the punch line, you'll need to watch.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 30, 2011, 09:08:02 PM
Shane sucks.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Pandora on October 30, 2011, 09:11:41 PM
Shane sucks.

He do.  He's a bad man.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 30, 2011, 09:34:38 PM
Shane sucks.

He do.  He's a bad man.

Up until tonight I thought he was a tragic but sympathetic character. He crossed over into despicable.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Pandora on October 30, 2011, 09:42:41 PM
Shane sucks.

He do.  He's a bad man.

Up until tonight I thought he was a tragic but sympathetic character. He crossed over into despicable.

A demonstration of how the wrong path consistently chosen over the good defines one not merely of poor judgment, but evil.  He's chosen poorly already, but with bad effect to him (and others) of minor consequence.  This is a result of repeating the same template and upping the ante.  Eventually, so many wrong turns have been taken, there is no turning back.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Predator Don on October 31, 2011, 11:02:16 AM
STOP!!!!! STOP!!!!!


I HAVEN'T WATCHED THE LAST EPISODE YET!!!!!!




STOP!!!!!!!


Don....... don't..... click....on....this..... thread......
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Pandora on October 31, 2011, 11:07:26 AM
Okay.  Sorry.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Predator Don on October 31, 2011, 11:10:06 AM
Okay.  Sorry.


It's too late...... ::hysterical::

I can't stop myself from peering into the thread.....But this is it, no more looking for me.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Pandora on October 31, 2011, 01:04:34 PM
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Halloween News Alert from the Publisher (http://patriotpost.us/edition/2011/10/31/brief/): We're hearing unconfirmed reports that Obama's Occupy Zombies are now occupying pumpkins. Beware!

(http://image.patriotpost.us/2011-10-31-brief-2.jpg)

ZOMBIES!  THEY'RE EVERYWHERE!!
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Libertas on October 31, 2011, 02:01:21 PM
Heh.  They should splatter even easier now!

 ::rockets::

 ::hysterical::
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Delnorin on November 14, 2011, 08:01:07 AM
Did anyone else sit up a bit straighter and consider pissing on their television this past episode when the hillbilly's 'illusionary brother' was berating him while he was laying in the stream-bed and near unconciousness?

The brother went on a rant about how pathetic his little hillbilly brother was.  Did anyone else get pissed about what he said?

Two of the list of things he said stuck in my mind and got me riled.

(Summary... Italic words were the two I'm very sure about: "You going to lay there and take it?  Why are you taking orders from an old man, women, niggers and democrats?"

Oh.. thank you so much for doing the expected Hollywood thing by trying to make Republicans not only look sexist, but also racist.

Fine.. play that.  But let me write the script for a couple characters and we'll see how things look after that.
Let me call out how it's been the Democrat party that has kept the brown skin people in our history in slavery (litterally and now slave to government handouts).  Just let me get started and we'll see who the real racists are.


Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on November 14, 2011, 08:12:33 AM
Did anyone else sit up a bit straighter and consider pissing on their television this past episode when the hillbilly's 'illusionary brother' was berating him while he was laying in the stream-bed and near unconciousness?

The brother went on a rant about how pathetic his little hillbilly brother was.  Did anyone else get pissed about what he said?

Two of the list of things he said stuck in my mind and got me riled.

(Summary... Italic words were the two I'm very sure about: "You going to lay there and take it?  Why are you taking orders from an old man, women, niggers and democrats?"

Oh.. thank you so much for doing the expected Hollywood thing by trying to make Republicans not only look sexist, but also racist.

Fine.. play that.  But let me write the script for a couple characters and we'll see how things look after that.
Let me call out how it's been the Democrat party that has kept the brown skin people in our history in slavery (litterally and now slave to government handouts).  Just let me get started and we'll see who the real racists are.




Yeah, I noticed that too. One of those typical Hollywood moments where they take the mask off and decide it's worth it to piss-off 1/2 their audience in order to make a statement in support of Leftism. They are also gearing up to make Hershel a Christian nutbag - so zealous in his Christianity that he puts zombies in the barn instead of killing them, and talking to the "hero" Rick about God, and being thoroughly rebuffed for doing so.

Viewers have to decide whether to let it slide, or let 'em swing. I've been teetering on putting that show to bed anyway - but the episode last night was much better than any others this season, so Idunno.

I'll bet that whiny-ass Dale is a Democrat. I've been itching for him to git 'et for a few episodes now.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on November 14, 2011, 10:08:32 AM
Here's AMC's email address, just in case you'd like to sound off about them ruining television's first attempt at the zombie genre.

amccustomerservice@rainbow-media.com
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Delnorin on November 14, 2011, 10:48:28 AM
Here's AMC's email address, just in case you'd like to sound off about them ruining television's first attempt at the zombie genre.

amccustomerservice@rainbow-media.com

Rainbow-Media

Seriously?

Why waste my time.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Pandora on November 14, 2011, 10:54:47 AM
I didn't appreciate they took away Andrea's gun, but now I believe that may have been the right thing.  That girl is too damn trigger-happy.

And, yes, Gunsmith and I looked at each other at the rant of the "hallucinatory brother".  "Yup, inevitable; just can't help themselves."
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Predator Don on November 14, 2011, 01:09:08 PM
The longer into the episode, the more pissed off. I'm bad about watching for this type of thing anyway, and after the first season, I thought maybe i'd be spared. The whole brother encounter and "the statement" made me rise from my chair. I'd given a pass to the God talk/ belief at first, until the old guy was being portraited as an isolationist and control freak....like he led a cult or protecting his flock.....The last scene, barnfull of zombies, justified my fears.....



So the new writing crew has placed thier mark on the show.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Libertas on November 14, 2011, 02:36:37 PM
In the end, the zombies at Hollyweird can screw up a sunny day...
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on November 14, 2011, 03:57:43 PM

...So the new writing crew has placed thier mark on the show.


I made sure in my email to mention that whatever viewership this show sheds because of their inability to keep ideology out of the show will be squarely on the writers' shoulders.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Pandora on November 28, 2011, 02:45:46 AM
Events coming to a climax now, folks.

Shane?  Rabid dog?

What say y'all?
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on November 28, 2011, 06:46:31 AM
Events coming to a climax now, folks.

Shane?  Rabid dog?

What say y'all?

I'd say that any inklings I was having about the show moving too slowly or losing its way were at least put to rest for now, based on the last three episodes. Very good recovery after a slow start. Shane is evil, but he was right. Like so much of entertainment these days, they blur the lines between good and evil.

Show's over now til February when they roll out new episodes. Helluva climax last night.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Pandora on February 01, 2012, 12:01:40 AM
New episode 2/12.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on February 01, 2012, 06:57:27 AM
New episode 2/12.

You happen to catch new Hoarders the other night? One of the best ever. The mental illness on display when people cannot bring themselves to let go of literal garbage is amazing. I never, ever knew such a mental condition existed, but it is very real, and apparently 3 million people suffer from it. It seems a bit morbid to find it entertaining, but I find it fascinating.

I'll know I hit the entertainment holy grail when someone freaks out because they refuse to let the helpers remove the poop, adult diapers, jars of urine, and maggots from the home.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Pandora on February 01, 2012, 07:49:18 AM
New episode 2/12.

You happen to catch new Hoarders the other night? One of the best ever. The mental illness on display when people cannot bring themselves to let go of literal garbage is amazing. I never, ever knew such a mental condition existed, but it is very real, and apparently 3 million people suffer from it. It seems a bit morbid to find it entertaining, but I find it fascinating.

I'll know I hit the entertainment holy grail when someone freaks out because they refuse to let the helpers remove the poop, adult diapers, jars of urine, and maggots from the home.

I rarely get to see the show "new"; I catch the reruns.  If seeing what these peoples' houses turn into isn't incentive to purge one's own house, I don't know what it.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on February 01, 2012, 05:51:10 PM
I know it! I think about my own pockets of clutter in my own home, or the things that have been sitting in the same place for 10 years because someday I could fix them up and use them, and I think... Hmmmmmm....
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Pandora on February 01, 2012, 09:29:50 PM
Hahah.  I think "AIEEEEE!"
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Pandora on February 09, 2012, 11:01:24 PM
Start of new series THIS SUNDAY EVENING. 
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on February 09, 2012, 11:02:30 PM
 ::popcorn:: ::popcorn:: ::popcorn:: ::popcorn:: ::popcorn:: ::popcorn:: ::popcorn::
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Libertas on February 10, 2012, 06:47:30 AM
Should have a zombie smiley getting popped!

 ;D
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on March 04, 2012, 09:11:44 PM
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyy!!!!

(Spoiler below, highlight)

DALE IS DEAD!!!
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 15, 2012, 03:18:38 PM
Anybody catch season 3 premier last night? Pretty awesome. The zombies were plentiful, as was the gore. Good review with mild spoilers HERE... (http://news.yahoo.com/walking-dead-gracefully-lurching-return-152309951.html)
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Pandora on October 15, 2012, 03:19:47 PM
Saw it and enjoyed it.  Except the part where Herschel is a dumbass.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Predator Don on October 15, 2012, 03:26:54 PM
Nothing like beginning the new season with smiling faces, shooting zombies like it was an arcade game. Ironically, I could see this coming true.

I do believe it a bit of a reach, as they were luring zombies to the fence and crushing thier heads, to storm the compound. The thru the fence head crunching seemed to be effective.

The wife believes the babies DNA will be the cure for the disease, since they are infected. I think it too predictable.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 15, 2012, 03:32:47 PM
...The thru the fence head crunching seemed to be effective...

That was my favorite part as far as the zombie-slaying goes. Watching Glen systematically thrust a pipe into the skulls of zombie after zombie through the chain-link fence was quite satisfying.

The scenes inside the dark prison corridors were off the top-end of the creep-o-meter.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Libertas on October 15, 2012, 05:26:50 PM
Nothing like beginning the new season with smiling faces, shooting zombies like it was an arcade game. Ironically, I could see this coming true.

I do believe it a bit of a reach, as they were luring zombies to the fence and crushing thier heads, to storm the compound. The thru the fence head crunching seemed to be effective.

The wife believes the babies DNA will be the cure for the disease, since they are infected. I think it too predictable.

I have an opposite fear for the baby, I'll leave it at that.

The Sumarai chick has a good idea, nothing like the reach of a long blade, but she's gotta learn to kill dem heads!  
 ::)

And what's with the armless zombies on chains?  Bait?  Toys?   ::whatgives::  

Who wants that crap around?   ::)

Dale seemed a bit of a doo-gooder guy lost in Shaneworld, Shane, well, he wrote his own ticket.

Seems young Karl got a thing for the younger farm girl, gonna have to have the talk with him soon.  
 ;D

The demise of young Sophie took forever to resolve but the end of the barn collection was well overdue.  And who coulda foreseen her mom being such a good shot all of a sudden?  Where's that skill been hiding at?

ETA - Valuable real life lesson that kept coming back to me throughout the series - gotta get quieter shooting guns, McGyver'd silencers, cut down on the attractant sound when dispatching the undead ya know?!
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Pandora on October 15, 2012, 05:42:45 PM
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And what's with the armless zombies on chains?

Packmules.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 15, 2012, 05:52:37 PM
The collared armless/jawless zombies trained to respond to a jerk on the chain is just dark as hell.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Libertas on October 15, 2012, 06:25:01 PM
Not my style I guess.  I could see stapling animal entrails to a couple and let them tear each other apart for sport and side bets but pack mules?

Oh well, I guess Zombieland sees all sorts.   ;D
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 15, 2012, 08:21:30 PM
'The Walking Dead' breaks basic cable record, scores 10.9M viewers (http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=767350&gt1=28103)

"The Walking Dead" returned in its Season 3 premiere to 10.9 million viewers, making it the most-watched basic cable drama telecast ever.

The episode, which found a band of survivors cleaning out a prison full of walkers, grew more than 50 percent over last season's premiere, scoring an astonishing 7.3 million viewers in the key 18-49 demographic.

(http://media.sfx.co.uk/files/2012/03/The-Walking-Dead-michonne-190312.png)
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Predator Don on October 15, 2012, 08:30:09 PM
'The Walking Dead' breaks basic cable record, scores 10.9M viewers (http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=767350&gt1=28103)

"The Walking Dead" returned in its Season 3 premiere to 10.9 million viewers, making it the most-watched basic cable drama telecast ever.

The episode, which found a band of survivors cleaning out a prison full of walkers, grew more than 50 percent over last season's premiere, scoring an astonishing 7.3 million viewers in the key 18-49 demographic.

(http://media.sfx.co.uk/files/2012/03/The-Walking-Dead-michonne-190312.png)


One of these days, I'm gonna have my own.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 15, 2012, 08:34:32 PM
'The Walking Dead' breaks basic cable record, scores 10.9M viewers (http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=767350&gt1=28103)

"The Walking Dead" returned in its Season 3 premiere to 10.9 million viewers, making it the most-watched basic cable drama telecast ever.

The episode, which found a band of survivors cleaning out a prison full of walkers, grew more than 50 percent over last season's premiere, scoring an astonishing 7.3 million viewers in the key 18-49 demographic.

(http://media.sfx.co.uk/files/2012/03/The-Walking-Dead-michonne-190312.png)


One of these days, I'm gonna have my own.

What, a katana? A hoodie/poncho?
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Libertas on October 15, 2012, 09:21:01 PM
http://www.bladecenter.com/paul-chen-cas-hanwei.aspx (http://www.bladecenter.com/paul-chen-cas-hanwei.aspx)

 ;D
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Predator Don on October 16, 2012, 11:21:57 AM
'The Walking Dead' breaks basic cable record, scores 10.9M viewers (http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=767350&gt1=28103)

"The Walking Dead" returned in its Season 3 premiere to 10.9 million viewers, making it the most-watched basic cable drama telecast ever.

The episode, which found a band of survivors cleaning out a prison full of walkers, grew more than 50 percent over last season's premiere, scoring an astonishing 7.3 million viewers in the key 18-49 demographic.

(http://media.sfx.co.uk/files/2012/03/The-Walking-Dead-michonne-190312.png)


One of these days, I'm gonna have my own.

What, a katana? A hoodie/poncho?


No, a couple of non thinking liberals who cannot speak.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 17, 2012, 07:58:58 PM
I always knew you were a zombist.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on November 05, 2012, 09:36:12 AM
So far this season...

Hershel: Leg chopped off after zombie bite.
T-Dog: Severely bitten, then self-sacrificially eaten alive in effort to buy Carol time to escape.
Rick and Lori's baby: Born during a self-sacrificial C-Section, reluctantly administered with a knife by Maggie.
Lori: Bullet administered by son Carl to prevent "turning" after fatal C-Section.

Dark times, the Zombie Apocalypse.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: benb61 on November 05, 2012, 09:50:18 AM
But we may have picked up another fighter and a mechanic with those two inmates.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Pandora on November 05, 2012, 12:34:18 PM
So far this season...

Hershel: Leg chopped off after zombie bite.
T-Dog: Severely bitten, then self-sacrificially eaten alive in effort to buy Carol time to escape.
Rick and Lori's baby: Born during a self-sacrificial C-Section, reluctantly administered with a knife by Maggie.
Lori: Bullet administered by son Carl to prevent "turning" after fatal C-Section.

Dark times, the Zombie Apocalypse.


Lori's dying killed me.

I don't know what's going on in that other encampment where Andrea and Mishawn (sp?) are now, but The Governor gives me the creeps.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on November 05, 2012, 12:46:23 PM
I don't know what's going on in that other encampment where Andrea and Mishawn (sp?) are now, but The Governor gives me the creeps.

Did you see last week's episode?
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Pandora on November 05, 2012, 01:36:50 PM
I don't know what's going on in that other encampment where Andrea and Mishawn (sp?) are now, but The Governor gives me the creeps.

Did you see last week's episode?

I did -- they shot those other people in cold blood, (and lied about it) and I suspect from Mishawn's inspection of their vehicles she's picking up on the something's rotten in Denmark vibe.

I think they won't be able to leave peacefully; they're going to have to escape.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on November 05, 2012, 02:11:56 PM
I don't know what's going on in that other encampment where Andrea and Mishawn (sp?) are now, but The Governor gives me the creeps.

Did you see last week's episode?

I did -- they shot those other people in cold blood, (and lied about it) and I suspect from Mishawn's inspection of their vehicles she's picking up on the something's rotten in Denmark vibe.

I think they won't be able to leave peacefully; they're going to have to escape.

I think the exchange between the Governor and Merle (Gov telling Merle it was too risky to go look for Daryl) was a set-up for conflict between them and an alliance of convenience between Andrea and Merle. I think the two ladies and Merle will end up coming to the conclusion that the Gov is a bad dude.

One thing that is becoming apparent: I think all characters but Rick are expendable at this point. If the writers will kill Lori, they'll kill anyone.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: benb61 on November 05, 2012, 03:00:15 PM
I don't know what's going on in that other encampment where Andrea and Mishawn (sp?) are now, but The Governor gives me the creeps.

Did you see last week's episode?

I did -- they shot those other people in cold blood, (and lied about it) and I suspect from Mishawn's inspection of their vehicles she's picking up on the something's rotten in Denmark vibe.

I think they won't be able to leave peacefully; they're going to have to escape.

I expect to see Mishawns head floating in a fish tank soon.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Predator Don on November 05, 2012, 04:43:39 PM
Well great......I knew better than to open this thread, but I did anyway. I haven't watched the last episode yet......

Guess I'll pull an obama and blame everyone here for my error in judgement. Shame, shame on all you. ::cussing::
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Pandora on November 05, 2012, 05:02:02 PM
Well great......I knew better than to open this thread, but I did anyway. I haven't watched the last episode yet......

Guess I'll pull an obama and blame everyone here for my error in judgement. Shame, shame on all you. ::cussing::

Yah, go 'head.   ::pokeineye::       You knew better, did it anyway and want to blame it on somebody else.

Reminds me of that joke about that lost lady in the balloon.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on November 05, 2012, 05:32:35 PM
Well great......I knew better than to open this thread, but I did anyway. I haven't watched the last episode yet......

Guess I'll pull an obama and blame everyone here for my error in judgement. Shame, shame on all you. ::cussing::

Oops... umm....

***SPOILER ALERT***

 ::exitstageleft::
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Predator Don on November 05, 2012, 06:24:43 PM
Well great......I knew better than to open this thread, but I did anyway. I haven't watched the last episode yet......

Guess I'll pull an obama and blame everyone here for my error in judgement. Shame, shame on all you. ::cussing::

Yah, go 'head.   ::pokeineye::       You knew better, did it anyway and want to blame it on somebody else.

Reminds me of that joke about that lost lady in the balloon.


You are a RACIST!!!!!   ::falldownshocked::
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Predator Don on November 05, 2012, 06:25:25 PM
Well great......I knew better than to open this thread, but I did anyway. I haven't watched the last episode yet......

Guess I'll pull an obama and blame everyone here for my error in judgement. Shame, shame on all you. ::cussing::

Oops... umm....

***SPOILER ALERT***

 ::exitstageleft::


Now I gotta watch tonite....Right after WWE.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Pandora on November 05, 2012, 06:57:55 PM
Well great......I knew better than to open this thread, but I did anyway. I haven't watched the last episode yet......

Guess I'll pull an obama and blame everyone here for my error in judgement. Shame, shame on all you. ::cussing::

Yah, go 'head.   ::pokeineye::       You knew better, did it anyway and want to blame it on somebody else.

Reminds me of that joke about that lost lady in the balloon.


You are a RACIST!!!!!   ::falldownshocked::

And yer point?
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Libertas on November 05, 2012, 07:56:05 PM
Heck, they fast runnin' out of ladies on this show!   ::whatgives::  Next thing ya know blondie & pal will be in Phillip's collection...

And, huh, I heard the baby cry, but, is he/she like, normal?   ::whatgives::
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on November 05, 2012, 08:02:31 PM
Heck, they fast runnin' out of ladies on this show!   ::whatgives::  Next thing ya know blondie & pal will be in Phillip's collection...

And, huh, I heard the baby cry, but, is he/she like, normal?   ::whatgives::

As Maggie was cutting the baby out of the womb, my boys and I were saying, "please let it be a zombie baby, please let it be a zombie baby."
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Pandora on November 05, 2012, 09:12:59 PM
Heck, they fast runnin' out of ladies on this show!   ::whatgives::  Next thing ya know blondie & pal will be in Phillip's collection...

And, huh, I heard the baby cry, but, is he/she like, normal?   ::whatgives::

As Maggie was cutting the baby out of the womb, my boys and I were saying, "please let it be a zombie baby, please let it be a zombie baby."

'Eh?  Why?
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Libertas on November 05, 2012, 09:19:00 PM
Ghouls!
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on November 06, 2012, 10:04:02 AM
Well... It's a zombie show that lives or dies on its shock value and special effects. We thought we were speculating ever since Lori got preggers whether the babe would be born a zombie or not. When the moment of truth came, we thought it would be a cool twist.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on November 06, 2012, 10:06:35 AM
Not "we thought", just "we were". Damn dumbphone.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Libertas on November 06, 2012, 10:07:09 AM
We really don't know yet what exactly we have there yet...could be an even bigger surprise that we know...
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Pandora on November 06, 2012, 01:08:16 PM
Well... It's a zombie show that lives or dies on its shock value and special effects. We thought we were speculating ever since Lori got preggers whether the babe would be born a zombie or not. When the moment of truth came, we thought it would be a cool twist.

Don't see how it could follow storyline logic and be so.  They don't turn into zombies unless they're bitten or die AND if the baby was a zombie, it would have chewed its way out of Lori.

Ugh.

Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on November 07, 2012, 06:55:40 AM
Don't see how it could follow storyline logic and be so.  They don't turn into zombies unless they're bitten or die AND if the baby was a zombie, it would have chewed its way out of Lori.

If the babe had died in the womb or during delivery, it presumably would have been a walker inside the womb, but it wouldn't have had any chompers or sharp fingernails, so no eating or clawing its way out. So unless I'm missing something, it's possible within the storyline logic.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on November 12, 2012, 07:58:15 AM
Best season yet. It seems they've listened to the fans, and hit a stride.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Libertas on November 12, 2012, 08:52:25 AM
'ol Ranger Rick was in some sort a zone, eh?
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: benb61 on November 12, 2012, 09:35:58 AM
'ol Ranger Rick was in some sort a zone, eh?

Anger and loss will twist a mans mind.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Predator Don on November 12, 2012, 08:55:57 PM
Ok....I'm a little slow......what's the significance of Rick stabbing the zombie in a belly which appears pregnant.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Pandora on November 12, 2012, 09:05:35 PM
Ok....I'm a little slow......what's the significance of Rick stabbing the zombie in a belly which appears pregnant.

Got me.  Some kind of symbolic tit for tat for Lori?
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Libertas on November 12, 2012, 09:09:09 PM
I dunno, I thought her body was missing (ate) and well...
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on November 12, 2012, 09:28:41 PM
Ok....I'm a little slow......what's the significance of Rick stabbing the zombie in a belly which appears pregnant.

Got me.  Some kind of symbolic tit for tat for Lori?

What??? You mean you guys don't watch "Talking Dead" after the encore presentation of the weekly episode??? The episode's director covered this.

First we saw Rick enter to find Lori's body missing. We saw him find a lone bullet in a pool of blood. We saw the pool extend as a smear leading to the zombie sitting on the floor. We saw long brown hair on the zombie's mouth. And we saw the zombie's distended belly....

She done got et.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Pandora on November 12, 2012, 09:37:14 PM
Ok....I'm a little slow......what's the significance of Rick stabbing the zombie in a belly which appears pregnant.

Got me.  Some kind of symbolic tit for tat for Lori?

What??? You mean you guys don't watch "Talking Dead" after the encore presentation of the weekly episode??? The episode's director covered this.

First we saw Rick enter to find Lori's body missing. We saw him find a lone bullet in a pool of blood. We saw the pool extend as a smear leading to the zombie sitting on the floor. We saw long brown hair on the zombie's mouth. And we saw the zombie's distended belly....

She done got et.

No, don't watch it.  Tried it twice, never learnd anything. 

Saw all that.  She got et after she was dead?  The kid shot her to stop her from turning.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on November 12, 2012, 10:10:17 PM
...She got et after she was dead?  The kid shot her to stop her from turning.

I hadn't thought of that.
 ::thinking::
But you know what that means... Carl shot her before she was dead. Zombies don't eat zombies, but they do eat the dead.

ETA: IF they can get a bite before they turn. OR... Carl missed the head.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: RickZ on November 13, 2012, 04:39:34 AM
Trivia (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0511088/):

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Lincoln is married to Gael Anderson, his father-in-law is legendary musician Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull fame.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on May 06, 2013, 08:19:35 PM
Swiped from TepidAir...

"The Walking (And Talking) Dead" — A Bad Lip Reading of The Walking Dead (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR4lLJu_-wE#ws)
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Glock32 on October 13, 2013, 05:55:13 PM
I've just started watching this show on Netflix.  Pretty entertaining so far.  Definitely quite graphic.  One of the grossest things I've seen on TV is in the 3rd episode when they cover themselves in zombie blood and guts to mask their living scent from the other zombies. I was also a bit surprised in the very opening scene of the first episode, when it shows him having to shoot a young girl zombie.

For once it's nice to watch a show set in the South that's actually filmed on location. Far too often on other shows you see that typical scrubby southern California landscape and you're like "that ain't Dixie!"
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Pandora on October 13, 2013, 05:58:49 PM
The new season starts tonight at 9 on AMC.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Libertas on October 14, 2013, 07:16:59 AM
I've kinda lost track of the series...been busy...last I saw was the conflict with the Governor and his town...

Am I going to miss anything if I resume watching and skip any catch up?
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: RickZ on October 14, 2013, 12:40:18 PM
I've kinda lost track of the series...been busy...last I saw was the conflict with the Governor and his town...

Am I going to miss anything if I resume watching and skip any catch up?

Not really.

A new chapter has started, with new survivors in the group; they are still at the prison (which really is a great place to survive zombies if you can clear then defend it).  Gotta have fresh meat for the zombies to keep it interesting, keep you guessing as to who is this series' version of Ensign Expendable.  If you can, watch the rerun which is usually the previous week's show aired before the new episode, plus at odd times during the week, so you'd have to look that up.  A 'calm before the storm' build up with this new season's show -- to what end I don't know.  A little stroll outside the fence by Sheriff Rick has given the audience some insight into the rest of the world, or at least this group's neighborhood in their little corner of what's left of the world, not just the existential battle with the bat shyt loony Governor.

I enjoyed it.  Like I said, a new chapter, although I'm sure one-eyed Governor Cuckoo will make a timely appearance -- to no good end.  He does emit that Jim Jones 'just drink the Kool-Aid' kind of vibe.  The Gov's made a really interesting enemy,  but I don't see him surviving the season.  Gotta clean up and move on.  To me, that's the beauty of a show like this, that it's pretty freewheeling.  They holed up in the prison to lick their wounds, and they've succeeded in that goal.  Time to see what else is out there.  They can survive in the prison; they cannot live there.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 14, 2013, 01:48:04 PM
A couple interesting things to note from the season 4 opener...

They made mention that the walkers have changed behavior. Instead of disbursing along the fence, they congregate together in clumps. Interesting to see where that leads.

Also, they're giving a hat-tip to real-life Daryl fanboyism by giving him a quasi-mythical status within the community. That seems on the one hand like a cheap patronizing handout to TV-land, and on the other hand, I can imagine a small community in their situation craving real heroes.

Also, what killed the young boy? Is this season's new enemy... some disease? Is the disease related to walkerism? Or something else entirely?

Also, since the meh season 2, I am usually pleasantly surprised at the writing creativity. Raining Zombies through the ceiling? Damn good imagination - totally realistic, what with the crashed helicopter on the roof.

Also, it looks like Michonne has finally learned a new expression beyond the untrusting scowl.

Overall, episode 1 season 4 sucked me right in.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Glock32 on October 14, 2013, 07:31:40 PM
I've just now made it up to the beginning of Season 2 and I like the show. One thing that is bugging me though is how they keep trying to patch up this Winnebago they're driving around. Uhh, why don't you just take one of the literally thousands of abandoned vehicles all around you? And running out of gas? Yeah, I think there's probably a couple thousand gallons sitting in the abandoned cars on that one little stretch of interstate.

More to the point, why not take some of those military vehicles? A Humvee, a truck? They're heavily armored and will run on any kind of fuel you can find, anything from gasoline to jet fuel.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Pandora on October 14, 2013, 07:44:32 PM
I've just now made it up to the beginning of Season 2 and I like the show. One thing that is bugging me though is how they keep trying to patch up this Winnebago they're driving around. Uhh, why don't you just take one of the literally thousands of abandoned vehicles all around you? And running out of gas? Yeah, I think there's probably a couple thousand gallons sitting in the abandoned cars on that one little stretch of interstate.

More to the point, why not take some of those military vehicles? A Humvee, a truck? They're heavily armored and will run on any kind of fuel you can find, anything from gasoline to jet fuel.

More than a few of us were complaining about that as well, as in, 'what the hell are they thinking?'  Or, not thinking, as it were.  Mayhap it had something to do with already being in the prepper mindset.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 14, 2013, 07:45:23 PM
Be prepared for a little wandering in the weeds Season 2 Glock. Just warning you. The writers lost their way, but rebounded Season 3. Still, you need to watch Season 2 for the continuity.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: ChrstnHsbndFthr on October 14, 2013, 09:28:14 PM
I really enjoyed it. Much to catch there, some of which I missed the first time through. Good episode.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Glock32 on October 14, 2013, 09:33:32 PM
At first I thought he was a belligerent douchebag, but I've come to like the character Darrell. I went to high school with so many redneck guys just like that, even look like that. They were always out of school on the opening day of deer season.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 14, 2013, 10:01:45 PM
At first I thought he was a belligerent douchebag, but I've come to like the character Darrell. I went to high school with so many redneck guys just like that, even look like that. They were always out of school on the opening day of deer season.

Interestingly, Daryl and Merle are made up characters for the series that were not in the graphic novels. I think that if not for Norman Reedus and the iconic character he's created in Daryl, the series might not be alive today. He's by far the most interesting character, IMHO.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Glock32 on October 14, 2013, 10:26:48 PM
Yeah I haven't seen the return of Merle yet. I recognized the actor from the movie Tombstone.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: RickZ on October 15, 2013, 02:29:26 AM
Interestingly, Daryl and Merle are made up characters for the series that were not in the graphic novels. I think that if not for Norman Reedus and the iconic character he's created in Daryl, the series might not be alive today. He's by far the most interesting character, IMHO.

I agree.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Glock32 on October 17, 2013, 02:56:07 AM
Ok I've just now gotten about halfway through Season 2 and I think the story is finally about to pick back up. My brother gave me the same warning as IDP, that Season 2 wandered in the weeds a bit plot-wise. I just finished the episode where they go find Hershel accepting reality in his old watering hole, and they encounter two live humans who are trying to insinuate themselves onto the group's farm in a veiled but threatening manner. I always kind of figured in a scenario like this, other groups of survivors could ultimately prove more threatening than the roving hordes of Democrats. I guess that's sort of the point to the zombie concept in films, that they're a convenient shorthand for societal collapse and the behavior of the surviving people is the real story. The scene where Rick kills the two newcomers is a good example...in the absence of law and order where the rules of the jungle apply, do you take preemptive actions based on implied threats? I think Rick made the decision to kill those two when he saw the fat one urinate right in the middle of the bar and make that lewd comment about wanting a piece of ass. Those two things alone signaled what he was dealing with. When he looked at the guy taking a piss right on the floor in front of everyone it's like you could see the wheels turning in his head "I've cost everyone enough already with trying to be Mr. Decent & Reasonable. No more."

On another note, Dale is really getting on my nerves by acting like he is the arbiter of morality for the group -- especially when he tried to get rid of all their guns in the swamp!
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Libertas on October 17, 2013, 06:44:17 AM
Dale...   ::facepalm::

Well, you'll see.

Anyway, I have Xfinity, so I'll catch S4E1 and pick up the action.

That batsh*t crazy little caesar "Gov" hopefully gets slaughtered soon...falling into a pit of zombies and ripped apart woud do it...or some other spectacular demise.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 17, 2013, 07:30:31 AM
...I always kind of figured in a scenario like this, other groups of survivors could ultimately prove more threatening than the roving hordes of Democrats. I guess that's sort of the point to the zombie concept in films, that they're a convenient shorthand for societal collapse and the behavior of the surviving people is the real story...

Thus it has been since the granddaddy of the genre, "Night of the Living Dead". Zombies provide the gore and the catalyst. People tear each other apart.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Libertas on October 17, 2013, 11:16:35 AM
...I always kind of figured in a scenario like this, other groups of survivors could ultimately prove more threatening than the roving hordes of Democrats. I guess that's sort of the point to the zombie concept in films, that they're a convenient shorthand for societal collapse and the behavior of the surviving people is the real story...

Thus it has been since the granddaddy of the genre, "Night of the Living Dead". Zombies provide the gore and the catalyst. People tear each other apart.

Does George Romero really understand what he has done?
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 17, 2013, 11:26:31 AM
...I always kind of figured in a scenario like this, other groups of survivors could ultimately prove more threatening than the roving hordes of Democrats. I guess that's sort of the point to the zombie concept in films, that they're a convenient shorthand for societal collapse and the behavior of the surviving people is the real story...

Thus it has been since the granddaddy of the genre, "Night of the Living Dead". Zombies provide the gore and the catalyst. People tear each other apart.

Does George Romero really understand what he has done?

I'm not 100% sure you mean what I think you mean. But it's clear that his primary intention was to create commentary on the state of human interaction under end-of-the-world type stress. Whether in his mind, zombies were allegorical to hordes of people closing in on those with shelter, food, and weapons, Idunno. But it seems a logical assumption, doesn't it?

Perhaps Verne, Orwell, and Roddenberry have nothing on George A. Romero in regards to predicting the future.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Libertas on October 17, 2013, 11:53:21 AM
...I always kind of figured in a scenario like this, other groups of survivors could ultimately prove more threatening than the roving hordes of Democrats. I guess that's sort of the point to the zombie concept in films, that they're a convenient shorthand for societal collapse and the behavior of the surviving people is the real story...

Thus it has been since the granddaddy of the genre, "Night of the Living Dead". Zombies provide the gore and the catalyst. People tear each other apart.

Does George Romero really understand what he has done?

I'm not 100% sure you mean what I think you mean. But it's clear that his primary intention was to create commentary on the state of human interaction under end-of-the-world type stress. Whether in his mind, zombies were allegorical to hordes of people closing in on those with shelter, food, and weapons, Idunno. But it seems a logical assumption, doesn't it?

Perhaps Verne, Orwell, and Roddenberry have nothing on George A. Romero in regards to predicting the future.

It appears you understood both elements of my question.   ::thumbsup:: 

Often with movie makers it is not always transparent what they want to convey is what people in the audience perceive.  I cannot come up with a specific example off the top of my head, but I recall hearing on more than one occasion where a director or writer/producer talking about their motivation and what compelled them to produce what they created and thought "I never would have guessed that".  And yes, it would be ironic if a simple vision of mankinds fate, organic of earth, proved to be more visionary than the epic vistas envisioned by our most celebrated and gifted science fiction masters!
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Glock32 on October 27, 2013, 10:31:28 PM
So I am now current on The Walking Dead. I was so badly wanting to see The Governor dispatched in the slowest and most gruesome manner, but it looks like they're saving him for another time.

It's funny how you develop an in-group mentality even with fictional characters on a TV show, because in the premiere for Season 4 they show all these dozens of new people milling around and being all familiar with the established characters and I'm like "Excuse me, but who are you people?"  It was the same way with Lost.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Pandora on October 28, 2013, 08:27:57 AM
So I am now current on The Walking Dead. I was so badly wanting to see The Governor dispatched in the slowest and most gruesome manner, but it looks like they're saving him for another time.

It's funny how you develop an in-group mentality even with fictional characters on a TV show, because in the premiere for Season 4 they show all these dozens of new people milling around and being all familiar with the established characters and I'm like "Excuse me, but who are you people?"  It was the same way with Lost.

LOL.  Damned if I don't know what you mean!  And then, to boot, they started killing them off before we got a chance to know them.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: RickZ on October 28, 2013, 09:38:18 AM
Every violent show needs an Ensign Expendable.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: ChrstnHsbndFthr on October 28, 2013, 09:41:42 AM
Yeah, it was pretty obvious those folks were wearing the red shirt when they beamed down.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 28, 2013, 10:26:11 AM
Herschel's getting a little Dale-like.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: ChrstnHsbndFthr on October 28, 2013, 10:28:13 AM
It is tough for me to explain why, but, Herschel and Dale are two of my favorite characters. I would not want to be Rick, for sure.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Libertas on October 28, 2013, 11:30:36 AM
Nobody is left alone unmolested...so I identify with nobody and just about everybody.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Glock32 on October 28, 2013, 12:58:46 PM
Herschel's getting a little Dale-like.


Yeah, when he got all preachy about Carl shooting that guy with the shotgun. I understand not wanting to destroy the humanity of a young kid by having him become an executioner, but I would say what he did there was at most a moral gray area. The fact is, that guy with the shotgun had just participated in an act of aggression against Carl and his people, an act of aggression in which he came prepared and determined to kill them. The tables turned and he stumbles upon Carl and Hershel. They order him to drop the gun and instead he keeps approaching them saying "I'm going to give it to you". No, that's not the act of someone compliant. If you're surrendering, you just drop it. I think I probably would have shot the guy too under those circumstances.

Don't see why Hershel had his panties all in a bunch over that. "War is hell" after all.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Predator Don on October 28, 2013, 01:07:05 PM
so.....is the governor somehow leading the hoard of undead?
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Glock32 on October 28, 2013, 01:20:49 PM
so.....is the governor somehow leading the hoard of undead?


They talked about that possibility in the Talking Dead show that comes on afterward. Was that the Governor's voice on the radio transmission? Herding the undead is certainly his MO from previous attacks.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: RickZ on October 28, 2013, 01:28:29 PM
so.....is the governor somehow leading the hoard of undead?


They talked about that possibility in the Talking Dead show that comes on afterward. Was that the Governor's voice on the radio transmission? Herding the undead is certainly his MO from previous attacks.

Wait a minute.  The undead have radios?
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Glock32 on October 28, 2013, 01:32:29 PM
LOL. The radio transmission might've just been him trying to lure people to a new Woodbury type deal, if it was even him on the transmission. But yeah I wouldn't be surprised if that massive horde they encountered had something to do with him. He was using those big wind chime things to attract them before, and the sort of research he had Milton doing makes you wonder if he has some sort of scientific aptitudes and has maybe learned how to mass manipulate the hordes.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Glock32 on October 28, 2013, 01:46:51 PM
On another note, one of the things I've been wondering is why they don't use .22 firearms? They would be pretty ideal for the job I would think: lethal enough since you have to do a headshot anyway, easy to transport bulk quantities of ammo, fairly quiet report compared to larger calibers.

I do like how in Season 3 it showed them finally using improvised silencers on their pistols. And why is Michonne the only one using a sword? Something like a Japanese katana is a perfect up close weapon against the "geeks".
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 28, 2013, 01:47:51 PM
It is tough for me to explain why, but, Herschel and Dale are two of my favorite characters. I would not want to be Rick, for sure.

I loved Dale at first, and after a while, he wore on me. His perpetual concern, and constantly reminding people to remember their humanity... It got to the point where (hyperbole) taking a dump had a moral downside with Dale.

I absolutely LOVE Herschel, but I'm sensing a change in the character that makes him seem more Dale-like. I hope I'm wrong. Heck, I hope he lives, now. Dummy threw himself right in there, didn't he?
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 28, 2013, 01:51:41 PM
so.....is the governor somehow leading the hoard of undead?


They talked about that possibility in the Talking Dead show that comes on afterward. Was that the Governor's voice on the radio transmission? Herding the undead is certainly his MO from previous attacks.

That freak Marilyn Manson was stoned, retarded, or both.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Pandora on October 28, 2013, 03:09:56 PM
It is tough for me to explain why, but, Herschel and Dale are two of my favorite characters. I would not want to be Rick, for sure.

I loved Dale at first, and after a while, he wore on me. His perpetual concern, and constantly reminding people to remember their humanity... It got to the point where (hyperbole) taking a dump had a moral downside with Dale.

I absolutely LOVE Herschel, but I'm sensing a change in the character that makes him seem more Dale-like. I hope I'm wrong. Heck, I hope he lives, now. Dummy threw himself right in there, didn't he?

Me too.  Dale *did* get on the nerves -- you don't get to keep your humanity when you're dead there -- and I don't care much for Herschel's unnecessary self-sacrificial turn either, what with the group's only real doc already sick.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Predator Don on October 28, 2013, 04:28:16 PM
So...... if consensus is the governor is leading the walking dead...it must be true....Just like global warming.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 28, 2013, 05:31:43 PM
LOL. The radio transmission might've just been him trying to lure people to a new Woodbury type deal, if it was even him on the transmission. But yeah I wouldn't be surprised if that massive horde they encountered had something to do with him. He was using those big wind chime things to attract them before, and the sort of research he had Milton doing makes you wonder if he has some sort of scientific aptitudes and has maybe learned how to mass manipulate the hordes.

If the Governor is controlling the Walkers, then I'm afraid...
 ::jumpshark::

(See John?  ::stirpot::)
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Predator Don on October 28, 2013, 05:45:20 PM
I hated the pigs had to go......but since we don't know if the pigs caused the disease ( or visa versa), then so long piggy.

Just thinking out loud, but if noise attracts the walkers, then they need to find an ice cream truck....Those things are always obnoxiously loud.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Glock32 on October 28, 2013, 07:38:16 PM
On one of their supply runs, they ought to try and bring back a backhoe or something that could be used to build some real fortifications. Maybe a trench line. The walkers would fall in and get stuck for easy dispatch, sort of the like the trap that The Governor used to catch them.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Predator Don on October 28, 2013, 07:53:21 PM
On one of their supply runs, they ought to try and bring back a backhoe or something that could be used to build some real fortifications. Maybe a trench line. The walkers would fall in and get stuck for easy dispatch, sort of the like the trap that The Governor used to catch them.

A trench with spikes......and gas. I love the storyline, but honestly, too many ways to keep the walkers away from camp.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Glock32 on October 28, 2013, 08:07:54 PM
I was just looking on Wikipedia and the actress who plays Beth (Maggie's sister) is 28! I seriously thought on the show that she was about 14.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: RickZ on November 01, 2013, 01:54:25 PM
Okay, couldn't resist.  (From bonz at GCP)

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-rM9NYL-TnWk/UnFp3k7FHCI/AAAAAAAAJqs/7P-E9lTOhIM/s1600/WalkingDems_CollageSm.jpg)

Now where did I leave my friggin' crossbow?
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: RickZ on November 07, 2013, 06:10:56 AM
I was channel surfing this morning and came across a 1969 movie on AMC, The Gypsy Moths.  There was a young actor who I recognized by voice, but couldn't immediately place.  After a second or two, I realized it was Herschel.  I then looked up Scott Wilson's acting bio.  I didn't connect any of the following:

1)  He was the killer Dick Hickock in In Cold Blood;

2)  He was the prisoner, Harvey Oberst, sharing a cell with Sidney Poitier in In The Heat Of The Night:

HO:  "You think he could bring me a cheeseburger?"

Tibbs:  "Onions?"

HO:  "Now you're talkin'."

http://movieclips.com/M9Arv-in-the-heat-of-the-night-movie-keep-cool-harvey/ (http://movieclips.com/M9Arv-in-the-heat-of-the-night-movie-keep-cool-harvey/)

The things you (re)discover surfing the 'net.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Libertas on November 07, 2013, 07:05:18 AM
Nice pics Rick...I think them folk look more like themselves than the media normally shows us!
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Predator Don on November 07, 2013, 01:10:35 PM
I think those pics are an insult to the brain dead. Everyone knows the walking dead is much smarter than a walking Dem.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: RickZ on November 18, 2013, 03:51:04 AM
** SPOILER ALERT **

Dumb question:  On tonight's episode, the grandpa with lung cancer dies.  No one bites him but he still turns.  Do all the dead turn, even those not bitten?  Did I miss something?  I thought you had to be bitten to turn, or does that just accelerate the process?
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Pandora on November 18, 2013, 05:48:45 AM
Everybody alive has the "bug"; I think it's a virus.  You die, you turn.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Libertas on November 18, 2013, 06:42:23 AM
Everybody alive has the "bug"; I think it's a virus.  You die, you turn.

Too bad, if only libiots and muzzies are carriers...
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on November 18, 2013, 07:39:25 AM
Yup. You die; you turn.

I wonder what circumstances will lead to the impending death of the Guv's new "daughter" being blamed on the prison gang? Cuz ya gotta know it's coming.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Maddy on November 18, 2013, 07:17:59 PM
I started watching this a couple weeks ago and absolutely love it. I'm right at the beginning of Season 3 and last night just finished the episode where Lori was given a C-section/dies as a result. I think I got something in my eye watching the end of that episode last night.  :'(

I really like the way that Darryl's character is developing - instead of doing the typical Hollywood thing and using his character solely to beat up on rednecks, the writers seem to have an actual purpose for his character (when I first started watching I immediately assumed that the writers would use his character as a whipping boy for the right - which they may - but so far I'm impressed that they've resisted the urge and haven't turned him into some weird freak that molests kids and dons a tea party t-shirt in every episode, so I guess kudos to the writers for that.)

Otherwise I'm loving the show and hope to get caught up soon. We've been watching it on Netflix and now the husband is out of town until Fri so I think I just might have to cheat a little bit and let him catch up/fend for himself when he gets back later this week.  ;D I'm dying to catch up!

Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on December 02, 2013, 03:27:20 PM
HERSHEL!!!

 ::falldownshocked::
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Pandora on December 02, 2013, 03:37:44 PM
HERSHEL!!!

 ::falldownshocked::

Oh please!  Don't get me started!

Stomped around here muttering to myself for must've been fifteen minutes last night.

And, too, their "mid-season finale" crap, until February.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on December 02, 2013, 04:00:08 PM
He was a likable character, for sure. His death was grizzly, heartless, and cruel, as was the manner of it in front of his daughters.

The Governor did not pay adequately, in my opinion. But he did get paid by the right person. I like her much more this season, BTW, now that she's more than just the untrusting scowl.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Predator Don on December 02, 2013, 05:27:12 PM
( I'm so bad with names)

Thought it was ironic the black dude was saved by the kids.....who were taught by Carol....... who killed his sweetie. Damn.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Pandora on December 02, 2013, 05:57:36 PM
He was a likable character, for sure. His death was grizzly, heartless, and cruel, as was the manner of it in front of his daughters.

The Governor did not pay adequately, in my opinion. But he did get paid by the right person. I like her much more this season, BTW, now that she's more than just the untrusting scowl.

Mishawn didn't end him; she walked away and left him there.  His new paramour shot him.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on December 02, 2013, 08:01:31 PM
He was a likable character, for sure. His death was grizzly, heartless, and cruel, as was the manner of it in front of his daughters.

The Governor did not pay adequately, in my opinion. But he did get paid by the right person. I like her much more this season, BTW, now that she's more than just the untrusting scowl.

Mishawn didn't end him; she walked away and left him there.  His new paramour shot him.

True. Michonne left him to become a walker/biter. The dumb chick he was boinkin' stole her thunder.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on December 02, 2013, 08:02:37 PM
( I'm so bad with names)

Thought it was ironic the black dude was saved by the kids.....who were taught by Carol....... who killed his sweetie. Damn.

Yup. Tyrese. That kind of creative writing is what was missing in several episodes in season one and two. I think for the most part they've hit the mark this season.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: ChrstnHsbndFthr on December 02, 2013, 08:45:09 PM
The stark truth is what I like about the show. It is not who "deserves to die!" It is just who dies.  I wonder if they (the writers) sometimes roll the dice. I did not expect Herschell but the episode was extraordinary. And men like Herschell are bound to die. The real surprise was that they killed off the Governor so easily.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Glock32 on March 24, 2014, 12:12:14 AM
So where is everyone at with this now?  I was mad about Hershel getting killed.



** Spoilers from Episode 14 below **



Easily one of the most intense episodes was last week's, the one where Carol is forced to put Lizzie down like a mad dog.  I was genuinely shocked at the realization, along with the characters, that Lizzie had stabbed her sister to death.

I don't know how you would handle such a scenario.  You could clearly never have Lizzie with you from that point on.  It was clear for a while already that she was very dangerously delusional about the nature of the walkers, and finally her delusions had driven her to prove she was right by creating new walkers: first out of her own sister, and baby Judith was just about to be next.  She would always endanger any people she was with, either by attracting walker activity or trying again to convince the unbelievers.  What was the alternative?  Leaving her to her own devices?  That would have been the same thing as killing her.

Prediction:  "Just look at the flowers" is going to become a whole meme unto itself.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Pandora on March 24, 2014, 02:29:30 AM
Bored, pretty much.

I'd have put Lizzie down like the mad dog she was.  "We don't kill people" doesn't apply to those who will and do.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on March 24, 2014, 02:49:34 AM
I thought the first couple-three episodes after the mid-season break were kinda snoozers. But the last couple have made up for it, and now I kinda see what they were doing earlier. After the prison, they basically needed to reset the cast, the setting, everything. New character associations, etc.

I REALLY like how Carol told Tyrese about whatstheirnames, and how he realized, after just having been through doing what needed to be done with Lizzy, that Carol was only doing what needed to be done when she killed his infected friends, and thus forgave her. Had she told him when they were out on their walk before Lizzy killed her sister, he would have gone apesh*t. But perspective and reality did their work, and she was able to come clean. I thought that was very well written.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Predator Don on March 24, 2014, 12:35:59 PM
claimed.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Glock32 on March 24, 2014, 10:35:58 PM
I'm kind of liking Dr. Eugene Porter.  A mullet-sporting Southern scientist, with borderline Asbergers syndrome.

In the episode that introduced him, it's explained that he knows what caused the outbreak.  When asked about it he responds "It's classified".  Ever since then it has been bugging me that nobody has been like "Classified?  Seriously?"  What could possibly be classified at that point?
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: benb61 on March 26, 2014, 09:41:36 AM
I think Porter is just stringing the red head warrior along to keep him alive, and he really doesn't know anything.  I could be wrong though.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on March 26, 2014, 09:52:19 AM
I think Porter is just stringing the red head warrior along to keep him alive, and he really doesn't know anything.  I could be wrong though.

Yup. I think Eugene Porter is nothing more than a video game geek who tricked Abraham Ford into being his bodyguard. He's an interesting character though, as is Ford IMHO.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Glock32 on March 26, 2014, 10:31:03 AM
Yeah I thought about that as well.  Apparently the comics take that angle, but the link between the show and the comics is very loose sometimes.  Sgt. Ford seems to act as though he knew Porter from before, like maybe they had been at a military/DoD facility or something.

If it were me though, I'd be asking more about the supposed cause of the outbreak.  If he really does possess knowledge, shouldn't he be writing it down or at least repeating important details to others even if they don't understand it?  Nobody has said "We're one walker bite away from this secret knowledge disappearing?"
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Glock32 on March 29, 2014, 08:56:50 PM
On another note, I got genuinely excited to see a Mosin-Nagant get some prominent screen time.  For the entire run of the show so far I've been thinking a Mosin-Nagant with the big pig sticker would make a great zombie gun.  Especially the M44 with the side folding bayonet.

I was gratified to know that the show producers have been listening to my suggestions:


(http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/229/files/2014/03/4-Walker-Splits-Face.gif)
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on March 30, 2014, 09:52:12 AM
I read somewhere yesterday that according to Andrew Lincoln, when he first read the script for tonights season 4 finale episode he was so disturbed by the events revealed that he approached Greg Nicotero, and for the first time, questioned him on whether they were going to far.

Nicotero assured him no, and then after they were done shooting, Lincoln says he gets it.

That could be hype, but it seems like a pretty sincere comment.

I've done a 180º on this 2nd half of season 4. I was really down on the pace of the first several episodes. But now I think I see that they are really going for a complete situation reboot here, and the character realignment and development was necessary and good TV.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on March 31, 2014, 11:41:42 AM
I really like what they've done. They made me care about (most of) the characters again. I don't even want Carl to die anymore, and I like Michonne now - a lot. Rick is finally able to cope with how things are rather than trying to salvage pieces of the past. Darryl and Rick's bond is solidified, both of them filling a missing and much needed space in each other's lives - Darryl's need to belong, and Rick's need for someone of strength to trust.

It's like the characters became important to each other in new and more interesting ways over the past 8 episodes, and what was threatening to become stale TV was reborn for me.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Glock32 on March 31, 2014, 11:54:57 AM
Yeah I liked it, just sucks that we have to wait until October.  Hell, we could be in our own SHTF scenario before then.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on March 31, 2014, 12:21:43 PM
I did read one review that make me LOL though. They said the scene where the group was being corralled through the compound by sniper fire at their feet should have been set to "Yakety Sax".

That there is funny stuff.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Glock32 on March 31, 2014, 04:38:24 PM
It did have a bit of a Benny Hill quality to it.  Who do you think was yelling for help in that boxcar the ran past?  Just some random unknowns, or could that be Carol and Tyreese in there?
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: benb61 on March 31, 2014, 06:35:31 PM
I don't understand why they didn't realize they were being herded.  I would have tried to make a stand inside one of the buildings, out of the sight of the snipers.  Make them come to me, and Rick and Daryl would have thought this too, but I guess it wasn't in the script.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on March 31, 2014, 06:43:54 PM
I don't understand why they didn't realize they were being herded.  I would have tried to make a stand inside one of the buildings, out of the sight of the snipers.  Make them come to me, and Rick and Daryl would have thought this too, but I guess it wasn't in the script.

I could understand it if the first logical place to seek cover would have been some kind of cage. Even if they were forced to move through that into the next area and been captured there, I would have understood it. But to be chased from area to area, and for all of them to end up exactly where the bad guys wanted them to go, was a bit too far.

Still, overall good stuff, IMHO. And the analogy of Rick showing Carl the rabbit snare at the beginning was pretty obvious in retrospect.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Glock32 on October 13, 2014, 03:33:55 PM
So the season premier was last night.  Let's hear it.  Me personally, the "trough" scene has to be the most brutal thing they've depicted yet.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 13, 2014, 04:42:48 PM
So the season premier was last night.  Let's hear it.  Me personally, the "trough" scene has to be the most brutal thing they've depicted yet.

It was tough to watch that scene for sure. And the convenience of the circumstances that led to their escape was a bit much to swallow (all of them lined up at the trough, with the no-names getting whacked and then TSHTF right before Glen was about to get bled). All in all, it was one of the better episodes. I liked the way they dispensed with the Terminus storyline in a single glorious episode.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: benb61 on October 13, 2014, 06:34:59 PM
I would have argued with Rick to go back and finish the job and free any other poor souls trapped by the cannibals.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Predator Don on October 14, 2014, 11:44:26 PM
So the season premier was last night.  Let's hear it.  Me personally, the "trough" scene has to be the most brutal thing they've depicted yet.

It was tough to watch that scene for sure. And the convenience of the circumstances that led to their escape was a bit much to swallow (all of them lined up at the trough, with the no-names getting whacked and then TSHTF right before Glen was about to get bled). All in all, it was one of the better episodes. I liked the way they dispensed with the Terminus storyline in a single glorious episode.
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I wouldn't say they completely dispensed with regards to Terminus. The last scene seemed to put it on the back burner, so to speak.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Glock32 on October 15, 2014, 11:40:20 AM
Yeah I don't think that's the last of the Terminus people.  It appeared that Gareth got hit with gun fire, but it wasn't clear how serious it was.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 15, 2014, 11:56:19 AM
Hmmm... we'll see. Nicotero and Gimple on "Talking Dead" seemed to suggest their goal in writing the episode was to wrap up the Terminus storyline on one glorious finale. But a wounded Gareth whose mother was executed by zombie would be an interesting character to revive.

I think Father Gabriel from the comics is up next.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Glock32 on October 20, 2014, 11:33:54 PM
Yeah I don't think that's the last of the Terminus people.  It appeared that Gareth got hit with gun fire, but it wasn't clear how serious it was.


Told ya!
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Pandora on October 21, 2014, 12:06:06 AM
Yeah I don't think that's the last of the Terminus people.  It appeared that Gareth got hit with gun fire, but it wasn't clear how serious it was.


Told ya!

Okay, fine; you were right!  Happy now?

Seriously, Rick and co. should have gone back and killed 'em.  Remember that internet tale, "One Second After"?  Soon as the leader realized he had cannibals at his gate, he shot them on the spot.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: benb61 on October 21, 2014, 10:05:21 AM
Yeah I don't think that's the last of the Terminus people.  It appeared that Gareth got hit with gun fire, but it wasn't clear how serious it was.


Told ya!

Okay, fine; you were right!  Happy now?

Seriously, Rick and co. should have gone back and killed 'em.  Remember that internet tale, "One Second After"?  Soon as the leader realized he had cannibals at his gate, he shot them on the spot.

That was what I was sayin!!
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 21, 2014, 11:13:41 AM
Maybe they'll rescue Bob and he can be the new Hershel. Opposite leg, IIRC, but still.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Glock32 on October 21, 2014, 11:33:03 AM
Yeah I don't think that's the last of the Terminus people.  It appeared that Gareth got hit with gun fire, but it wasn't clear how serious it was.


Told ya!

Okay, fine; you were right!  Happy now?

Seriously, Rick and co. should have gone back and killed 'em.  Remember that internet tale, "One Second After"?  Soon as the leader realized he had cannibals at his gate, he shot them on the spot.

That was what I was sayin!!

I think that (i.e. the consequences of not killing bad people, from a misplaced sense of mercy or because "it don't have to be like that") is going to be a recurring theme this season.

The group deciding not to mop up Terminus, Tyreese not killing the guy who was threatening the baby, and they also hint at it with Carl disagreeing with Rick's suspicion of Gabriel.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Predator Don on October 21, 2014, 12:04:37 PM
Heck, The Walking Dead isn't as much about zombies anymore....
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 21, 2014, 07:05:55 PM
Yes Gareth. Much too soon.

(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p98/IronDioPriest/imagejpg1_zps7a4b5e6b.jpg)
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Libertas on October 22, 2014, 06:33:30 AM
I lost track somewhere in Season 4...I guess it kinda just got boring to me...
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 22, 2014, 07:22:27 AM
I lost track somewhere in Season 4...I guess it kinda just got boring to me...

Ya know, I was a bit down on it midway through season 4 as well, but I stuck with it, and everything I thought was boring earlier in the season turned out making a whole lot of sense in the last few episodes of the season. So far these first two episodes of #5 have been pretty good.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Glock32 on October 22, 2014, 12:33:52 PM
Yeah the last several episodes of Season 4 were very good.  You should pick back up with it Libertas.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Libertas on October 22, 2014, 01:59:15 PM
There's always On Demand to catch up with...when I have a free weekend I'll give it a whack...

First I have to remember exactly where I left off...somewhere after that first fracass with the Governor...lull before the next square off or something...

Dang CRS!   ::bashing::

I guess I'll have to just start pulling episodes down and if they're familiar skip to the next one etc until something looks new...
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 22, 2014, 02:14:27 PM
There's always On Demand to catch up with...when I have a free weekend I'll give it a whack...

First I have to remember exactly where I left off...somewhere after that first fracass with the Governor...lull before the next square off or something...

Dang CRS!   ::bashing::

I guess I'll have to just start pulling episodes down and if they're familiar skip to the next one etc until something looks new...

If Beth and Daryl; Carol, Tyreese, and the girls; Carl & chocolate pudding; or "Claimed" don't ring a bell, you should just rewatch season 4.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Pandora on November 10, 2014, 12:13:42 AM
So.  Is Eugene dead?
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: ChrstnHsbndFthr on November 10, 2014, 12:38:36 AM
So.  Is Eugene dead?
No.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Glock32 on November 12, 2014, 02:33:58 PM
The mullet may not make it, though.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Predator Don on February 23, 2015, 08:54:18 AM
I don't know which would be worse.....

1) Bitten and turned into a walker
2) gang raped by the walking gays.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Pandora on February 23, 2015, 09:19:04 AM
This was Gunsmith, sitting on the loveseat, "Don't let 'em be gay, don't let 'em be gay, don't let -- Arrrgggghhhh!"
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Predator Don on February 23, 2015, 09:34:53 AM
Sitting here wondering if a gay walker would want to bite you or.....
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Libertas on February 23, 2015, 10:07:00 AM
Neil Patrick Harris showed up?
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Predator Don on February 23, 2015, 11:54:57 AM
Neil Patrick Harris showed up?

it could have been....they all talk alike.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Libertas on February 23, 2015, 11:56:12 AM
Neil Patrick Harris showed up?

it could have been....they all talk alike.

 ::laughonfloor::
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on February 23, 2015, 12:30:27 PM
I don't read the "graphic novels" (cuz I'm not into comic books), but I read enough online stuff to have known in advance that the Aaron character in the books is a faggot. So I was prepared.

So much faggotry in entertainment. If entertainment reflects reality, then 50% of the population must be LGBTQQXYZ. Of course we know this isn't true, which reveals the propaganda.

Desensitization. It's a tactic of the Left.

ETA: Still like the show though. I think they're about to really change things up. I'm getting the sense that the group's days on the road roaming without a home are about to come to an end. I just don't see another "Woodbury" situation - an apparent safe-haven with a malevolent secret. That would be so predictable and boring.

I'm betting that Alexandria proves to be a functioning community with infrastructure, and the story becomes about how this group struggles to adapt.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: benb61 on February 23, 2015, 03:00:57 PM
I don't read the "graphic novels" (cuz I'm not into comic books), but I read enough online stuff to have known in advance that the Aaron character in the books is a faggot. So I was prepared.

So much faggotry in entertainment. If entertainment reflects reality, then 50% of the population must be LGBTQQXYZ. Of course we know this isn't true, which reveals the propaganda.

Desensitization. It's a tactic of the Left.

ETA: Still like the show though. I think they're about to really change things up. I'm getting the sense that the group's days on the road roaming without a home are about to come to an end. I just don't see another "Woodbury" situation - an apparent safe-haven with a malevolent secret. That would be so predictable and boring.

I'm betting that Alexandria proves to be a functioning community with infrastructure, and the story becomes about how this group struggles to adapt.

My guess is that Arron and Eric want to adopt and Ricks little girl is the target.  Hilarity and death of the gayz ensues.
Title: Anybody Catching Walking Dead Spinoff?
Post by: IronDioPriest on August 31, 2015, 12:31:11 AM
So far the first two episodes of the prequel "Fear The Walking Dead" have been excellent. The setting is Los Angeles, in the initial days of the zombie outbreak when nobody has a clue what is going on. The drama unfolds from the perspective of a broken and blended family.

The gore factor so far is WAY down. Violence is mostly suggested and not shown on screen. The tension factor is WAY up. We all know what is going on, but somehow, the writers are able to create a sense of impending doom and suspense that had me riveted from the first 15 minutes.

The first two episodes are dealing with the rapidity of collapse once SHTF and the breakdown of order begins to cascade. In the beginning, reports of strange occurrences begin to trickle in. As things begin to escalate, some people are in the thick of it, while others are completely oblivious. The number of oblivious shrinks rapidly as events spin out of anyone's control.

Definitely recommend it.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Libertas on August 31, 2015, 07:31:00 AM
Might have to check it out...the other offerings seem to be having a hard time keeping a good story line together.  They had the series finale of Falling Skies last night, seriously, after the moon episode it seemed to be searching for an ending and the end that came seemed too easy and too anti-climatic.  Starting to wonder if I should bother watching anything!

Well, until GOT comes back...
Title: Re: Anybody Catching Walking Dead Spinoff?
Post by: Predator Don on August 31, 2015, 01:44:13 PM
So far the first two episodes of the prequel "Fear The Walking Dead" have been excellent. The setting is Los Angeles, in the initial days of the zombie outbreak when nobody has a clue what is going on. The drama unfolds from the perspective of a broken and blended family.

The gore factor so far is WAY down. Violence is mostly suggested and not shown on screen. The tension factor is WAY up. We all know what is going on, but somehow, the writers are able to create a sense of impending doom and suspense that had me riveted from the first 15 minutes.

The first two episodes are dealing with the rapidity of collapse once SHTF and the breakdown of order begins to cascade. In the beginning, reports of strange occurrences begin to trickle in. As things begin to escalate, some people are in the thick of it, while others are completely oblivious. The number of oblivious shrinks rapidly as events spin out of anyone's control.

Definitely recommend it.


Have to admit if my drugged out son ran in and said he saw someone being eaten.....
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Glock32 on September 05, 2015, 11:58:25 AM
I tried watching the first episode, but hit my quota of forcefed diversity within about 15 minutes.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Libertas on September 05, 2015, 10:16:22 PM
Well, that's definitely a buzz-kill.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on September 06, 2015, 11:29:06 AM
I tried watching the first episode, but hit my quota of forcefed diversity within about 15 minutes.

Nothing more egregious than the original though... Black boyfriend, olive-skinned leading man...

One interesting thing I saw in episode 2 that I've seen commented on elsewhere is the mob scene that leads to the beginning of civil breakdown... Nobody knows what's going on when the zombies first begin attacking people. Cops are called to the scene of an attack, and subsequently witnesses and video capture the cops shooting it. The crowd freaks out that the cops "shot an unarmed man" - an obvious and direct analogy for what has been going on in reality. But WE know, as viewers, that the cops were absolutely right, and the shooting was justified. The "zombie lives matter" crowd rises up and begins destroying the city on a wave of false narrative, just like real life.

I found that a refreshing reveal into the perspective of the writers. Even though they're obvious Lefties, they were willing to go there and take a steaming crap on the BLM "movement".
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Libertas on September 08, 2015, 07:43:46 AM
Thread hijack alert.   ::siren::

Speaking of force-fed diversity...

Hero soldier Sinjir Rath Velus comes out in a new novel, which is part of the smash hit sci-fi franchise with arch-baddie Darth Vader.  The space warrior appears in Star Wars: Aftermath, which bridges the gap between Return of the Jedi and new film The Force Awakens.  Sinjir, an Imperial turncoat who now serves in Luke Skywalker’s Rebellion, is the first major gay role to be part of the Star Wars universe. (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/463533/Soldier-reveals-homosexuality-Star-Wars-book)

The Queer is strong with this one.

 ::unknowncomic::
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on September 08, 2015, 10:14:28 AM
Thread hijack alert.   ::siren::

Speaking of force-fed diversity...

Hero soldier Sinjir Rath Velus comes out in a new novel, which is part of the smash hit sci-fi franchise with arch-baddie Darth Vader.  The space warrior appears in Star Wars: Aftermath, which bridges the gap between Return of the Jedi and new film The Force Awakens.  Sinjir, an Imperial turncoat who now serves in Luke Skywalker’s Rebellion, is the first major gay role to be part of the Star Wars universe. (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/463533/Soldier-reveals-homosexuality-Star-Wars-book)

The Queer is strong with this one.

 ::unknowncomic::

Aw for Pete's f***ing sake.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Libertas on September 08, 2015, 11:20:32 AM
If you drop your lightsaber around this chap...don't bend over to pick it up!   ::speechless::
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: ToddF on September 15, 2015, 10:38:15 AM
Thread hijack alert.   ::siren::

Speaking of force-fed diversity...

Hero soldier Sinjir Rath Velus comes out in a new novel, which is part of the smash hit sci-fi franchise with arch-baddie Darth Vader.  The space warrior appears in Star Wars: Aftermath, which bridges the gap between Return of the Jedi and new film The Force Awakens.  Sinjir, an Imperial turncoat who now serves in Luke Skywalker’s Rebellion, is the first major gay role to be part of the Star Wars universe. (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/463533/Soldier-reveals-homosexuality-Star-Wars-book)

The Queer is strong with this one.

 ::unknowncomic::

There are reasons I declared Star Wars dead to me, as soon as they announced they were to throw away the entire story line that was built up over the past 30 years.  This would be one.  I knew it was coming.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Predator Don on September 16, 2015, 12:52:58 PM
Thread hijack alert.   ::siren::

Speaking of force-fed diversity...

Hero soldier Sinjir Rath Velus comes out in a new novel, which is part of the smash hit sci-fi franchise with arch-baddie Darth Vader.  The space warrior appears in Star Wars: Aftermath, which bridges the gap between Return of the Jedi and new film The Force Awakens.  Sinjir, an Imperial turncoat who now serves in Luke Skywalker’s Rebellion, is the first major gay role to be part of the Star Wars universe. (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/463533/Soldier-reveals-homosexuality-Star-Wars-book)

The Queer is strong with this one.

 ::unknowncomic::

Ok....That is funny.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Pandora on October 26, 2015, 12:31:53 AM
Aaauuuuugghhhhh!  They killed off Glen!
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Libertas on October 26, 2015, 07:15:31 AM
Taking a cue from GOT?

It's all about turnover...
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: IronDioPriest on November 18, 2015, 01:19:54 PM
Much, much buzz that Glenn is alive, backed up with clues such as seeing Steven Yeun on set in costume, and the fact that he didn't make the traditional exit visit to the "Talking Dead" couch after the episode.

It was the other guy getting torn up by the zombies. Glenn squeaked out somehow.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Predator Don on November 18, 2015, 03:15:04 PM
He's alive!!!! He's alive!!!
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Pablo de Fleurs on October 20, 2016, 07:35:54 PM
Saw this on FB & am grateful (I've not watched an episode of this...but now I'm caught up  ;) )

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU0eizwlejs#)
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Weisshaupt on October 20, 2016, 09:29:23 PM
Boy, I wish I would have watched that video instead  of letting the wife watch it in real time
I didn't see every episode. I heard a good deal of them from the other room and well,  I think there is a drinking game there

Rules:

1)  Leader of a group is Revealed through actions to be Crazy or Sociopath and yet still commands a trusting and  loyal following- Drink
2)  if a "safe" Perimeter is breached - Drink.  If the Breach could have been prevented by any sort of common sense  proactive measure ( a watch, a patrol, removing crumbling building, building/repairing  a wall, clearing the around the defensive structure of cover,  maintaining  clear lines of sight, using those neat little zombie traps that need to be cleared, etc  )  - Drink Twice
3) Casually Killing Zombies in the middle of a conversation because the audience needed to be reminded this is a show about zombies. Drink once for every zombie killed
4)  Vehicle breaks down - Drink
5) A small group separates allowing someone to be kidnapped  - drink . If they were separated because they were arguing- Drink Twice
6) Someone in a current romance gets killed, scream "Good! I hate mushy stuff!" and then a full chug .
7) Every time they manage scavenge something they need - drink
8) Every time another human decides to risk death to take others unidentified "stuff" rather than just look for their own because scavenging- even in the 6th season - still yields results - Drink
9) Killing a Zombie through a fence - drink
10) Killing a zombie buy stabling through the skull bone with a knife , yell " I love my Ginsu!"  and drink
11) Pampered Suburbanite who doesn't know how to fight gets killed - Yell "Take that Red Shirt!" and drink
12) Virtue signalling about how awful it is to have to kill all of the time - Drink.

Please feel free to add your own!

Seriously,  I am watching this show and think - if only we had it this good come SHTF. They have so many resources and so few people to fight over them.  Secure a decent water supply.  Establish a Perimeter and start building a barrier. Grab a crane and heavy equipment and do it right.  Pour  actual concrete. Log a forest.  Clear sight lines. Use stacked vehicles ( emptied of fuel or fuel tanks removed)  - or cargo containers.  build the perimeter out of rubble - out of earth.  Build zombie traps - Pits, steaks, etc . . Systematically gather/scavenge  all food, weapons and  fuel that can be found in your area,  and start FARMING as soon as possible.  Scavenge Solar panels for power.  Find Radio units, and mobile walkie talkies. Send out patrols so you can find people encroaching into your area, and kill any zombies they come across.   Establish an impartial  justice system - separate from leadership - early, helping to avoid conflict within the group

 Set up a system for recruiting new members ( once you have a safe space, everyone wants to join, and not they don't try to just rip you off, because if they don't they can continue to enjoy the security numbers bring- Guess the Saviors figured that out, huh? )   Don't try to subjugate people. Avoid conflict- Conflict is costly. Recruit pilots and mechanics who earn their keep scouting, maintaining vehicles.  Find the local armory or military installation ( how is it  the military lost against Zombies who can hardly walk again?)  and get armored vehicles, tanks   helicopters, field communications systems etc, tactical armor  and all weapons and ammo.  SAMs especially.  The Ability to control Airspace will become crucial Don't want to build all of this and have some yahoo with abomber cuase you problems.  Bring it back by the Semi load.
  Everyone is trained to do something. It its laundry or cooking, that's fine.  Set up Schools for adults and children.   If anyone from the compound is attacked, for within or without,  deal with the attackers harshly, hunting down and having a trial for  anyone who escapes.  One of the main reasons that stupid little island off of Europe became a world power is because anyone could have a reasonable expectation of being treated fairly  in an English court- this in turn made them a preferred trading location.  Start making fuel and ammo as soon as possible. Start blacksmithing and metal smelting/macineing as soon as possible.

If your group is over 60 members, introduce money in some form. Gold and Silver if available.  If not tie a chit to something of value - ammo perhaps. Or even scavenged candy   Begin to organize social events.  A dance, Music and singing, a special meal of rarer food stuffs ( Twinkies!) .  Something that gives those ( not on duty) something to look forward to.  Start awarding rank and do it for all professions ( cooks, you name it) . The group is getting large enough you simply have to start actively delegating tasks and  building a promoting a culture to foster  social cohesion

If your local group gets to be 300 +  explore a new area  and set up a second base just like you did the first. Keeping open lines of communication, and perhaps establishing security along multiple roads between them.. If there are small group of people in that area,  recruit them. If they are already making out fine, offer to establish a mutual aid alliance and move on to a less populated area. Freely Teach others  what you have learned .  If food is plentiful, bring a gift of food and overwhelming force ( if possible)   Leaving a gift,  when you could take something easily establishes trust and superiority. .  In the real deal - due to groups like the one I describe, scavenging would be impossible as all of the old resources would quickly be gathered and come under under someone's control , and trade would be far preferred by outsiders  to murder and theft , since you are organized, well defended and have superior weaponry, communications and reconnaissance.  Set up a system by which larger groups can petition to join into your group/establish their own colony.

The point is that this the stuff I would rather have seen in this show,  rather than this stupid meandering about and never accomplishing anything permanent crap.  There would still be plenty of opportunity for conflict , the dangers of obtaining resources at first, the cost of learning, and then as you move out, dealing with those larger groups, and having to share power as the group got bigger. There is all sort of story that COULD be told here. But NO.  Its hollywood, and any leaders who do have such enclaves are far more interested in protecting their people from the outside - trust your leaders! Remain Sheep! , and not growing their power base (except for the Saviors, who while developing a power base, use it to try and take from others. -- this uselessly creates cost and resistance, and while there will be such groups, they would quickly be outnumbered and destroyed  by a group who was actually creating for themselves as well as growing.)
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Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Glock32 on October 25, 2016, 11:12:26 AM
So I just watched the Season 7 premiere.  Needless to say, there are massive spoilers that cannot be avoided in any discussion of it, so click away if you've not seen it yet.
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Anyhow, starting somewhere midway through Season 5 and going through pretty much all of last season, I've found the premise of the show growing stale enough that I became less and less interested in watching.  I'd still watch, but it wasn't appointment viewing on Sunday night like it had been previously.

Well, things have certainly changed in the story.  They teased us into thinking Abraham was the sole casualty, but then Glen received the same end.  Both literally had their brains splattered all over the ground leaving no recognizable trace of their heads.  I am not sure what I think about it.  I am not squeamish, and I think portrayal of wanton, sadistic violence  can be a useful thing, after all in this world of Bataclan theater massacres and ISIS torturing captives to death the Eloi need to be smacked in the face with reminders that the real world has monsters in it who would become real life Negans given the opportunity.

But damn if I can't shake the initial feeling that that episode was violence porn.  They definitely twisted the expectations of the viewers (by twisting the expectations of the characters themselves) by showing Rick in the familiar position of being outnumbered and outgunned by the Big Bad but remaining defiant and even telling the Big Bad that he's going to kill him.  Yeah, well, Negan was unimpressed by that bit of bravado, and he made sure Rick understood that it would be other people who would pay the price for it.

Part of me thinks the show should end right now, with Rick and his remaining crew subjugated and broken, all hopefulness of the preceding 6 seasons permanently dashed.  That's reality for most of human history.  The Rule of Law has been squandered for political advantage, so we will be left with the only other law there is, the Law of the Jungle.

"No arts; no letters; no society; and which is worst of all, continual fear, and danger of violent death: and the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short." -- Hobbes
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Predator Don on October 25, 2016, 01:11:16 PM
Hey, at least, when TSHTF, I'll know how to handle and control the complainers.

Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Pandora on October 25, 2016, 03:16:59 PM
I wasn't going to watch.  Gunsmith said he was going to so I reluctantly did as well ...... with frequent non-commercial breaks to ... tend to stuff in the kitchen.

I don't know if I'll continue watching -- previews have Rick telling the Alexandria people he's no longer their leader, Negan is.

Meh.

The episode struck me in the same way as Sons of Anarchy, and I skipped the last season.

Yes, if/when comes TEOFTWAWKIT, there will be men and women just like Negan --not that there aren't now, but here and now is different -- and I've tried steeling myself in the put-on-the-big-person's-pants mindset, but, jeez .........
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Weisshaupt on October 25, 2016, 04:43:44 PM

Yes, if/when comes TEOFTWAWKIT, there will be men and women just like Negan --not that there aren't now, but here and now is different -- and I've tried steeling myself in the put-on-the-big-person's-pants mindset, but, jeez .........

There will be people like him, but I doubt they rise to the sort of power Negan has in the show. One well placed sniper and his reign of terror is over.
Psychopaths  don't make good leaders, and in a population were everyone is armed,  they don't last long.
 
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Glock32 on October 25, 2016, 05:04:59 PM

Yes, if/when comes TEOFTWAWKIT, there will be men and women just like Negan --not that there aren't now, but here and now is different -- and I've tried steeling myself in the put-on-the-big-person's-pants mindset, but, jeez .........

There will be people like him, but I doubt they rise to the sort of power Negan has in the show. One well placed sniper and his reign of terror is over.
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I had the same take on that.  The coming episodes will have to show us a different side of Negan for it to be believable at all.  Psychopaths who obtain that sort of power over others have to have a compelling charisma that offsets their violence.  The only way I could see such an assemblage of people, all of whom are armed, tolerating the leadership of a Negan is if his way offered something obviously better than what they had before.  Negan makes The Governor seem almost benevolent in retrospect.

But yeah, I just don't see something like that existing in real human societies.  If I was subjected to what Rick's people endured, I would be at a point where I'd be motivated by nothing more than killing that MFer and wouldn't even care about losing my own life in the process.  But for a heavy oak table leg, Adolf Hitler would have been killed by Stauffenberg's explosive.  Anyone can be gotten to, and you give people enough motivation they won't even care if it kills them to get to you.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Predator Don on October 25, 2016, 05:27:32 PM
Was disappointed in Rick. Ricks group's in shock but I'd say raging with hate and faced odds many times.

I would have trusted my group to be ready, because when that camper pulled back in, ( use the axe Rick, cut his friggin head off, Rick, you had the opportunity) I'd kick out a headless body, give it about a second, step out and mow down those stupid followers before the shock of the headless body wore off. If he knew his group, they would kick into action and I bet those idiot followers wouldn't get a shot off. I mean, they were killing them easily in previous episodes.

Once in control, pull out the severed head and tell these hayseeds this is what happens when the chit gets real. Then, it clobberin time!
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Predator Don on October 25, 2016, 05:43:48 PM
Now that would set up a next episode. Rick mowing them down, getting control and you gotta come back next week to see what they do to these hayseeds......Who wants two busted heads when we could see dozens.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Weisshaupt on October 25, 2016, 08:56:06 PM
The only way I could see such an assemblage of people, all of whom are armed, tolerating the leadership of a Negan is if his way offered something obviously better than what they had before.  Negan makes The Governor seem almost benevolent in retrospect.

I just don't see how they could pull that off.  The Saviors are obviously well organized, with multiple bases and settlements, and he can provide for them well enough by strong arming based on the half of your stuff rule - but HALF of your stuff is going to foster resentment. So is torturing anyone from the community for the transgression  of others. Nor do I see how Negan recruits-  Does he ask people form his victim communities to join? Is that why Hilltop had no fighters? Because supposedly Negan offered them a position of power over their (former)  friends and neighbors?  And not one person arbors resentment toward Negan when one of those friends is , say , dropped from a bridge, to "send a message"? 

That implies his recruits must come from places outside of those communities he victimizes. And don't pretend to me that there are as many women Savior members as there are men.  Any woman in those compounds is either a personal concubine or a community whore.  And with that many men, you really think you are going to somehow stop them from kidnapping, raping  or enslaving women from these  subjugated communities?



 
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Alphabet Soup on October 25, 2016, 09:31:33 PM
I wasn't going to watch.  Gunsmith said he was going to so I reluctantly did as well ...... with frequent non-commercial breaks to ... tend to stuff in the kitchen.

I don't know if I'll continue watching -- previews have Rick telling the Alexandria people he's no longer their leader, Negan is.

Meh.

The episode struck me in the same way as Sons of Anarchy, and I skipped the last season.

Yes, if/when comes TEOFTWAWKIT, there will be men and women just like Negan --not that there aren't now, but here and now is different -- and I've tried steeling myself in the put-on-the-big-person's-pants mindset, but, jeez .........

I like Sci-Fi, fantasy, horror, and various kinds of adventures, but I have a low threshold for gratuitous violence. Having gotten a good taste of it in the real world it all seems so pointless and affected. Likewise with your Twain quote, a little profanity is the spice et al, but the way Hollyweird litters the stage it's off-putting.

I've viewed a few of the Walking Dead episodes but I can't seem to stick with them. Too many stupid people making stupid decisions. They'd all be dead by now!
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Pablo de Fleurs on October 25, 2016, 09:54:22 PM
I'll simply wait for the next John Cleese Cliff-Notes You.Tube.  :D
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Libertas on October 26, 2016, 06:48:04 AM
I wasn't going to watch.  Gunsmith said he was going to so I reluctantly did as well ...... with frequent non-commercial breaks to ... tend to stuff in the kitchen.

I don't know if I'll continue watching -- previews have Rick telling the Alexandria people he's no longer their leader, Negan is.

Meh.

The episode struck me in the same way as Sons of Anarchy, and I skipped the last season.

Yes, if/when comes TEOFTWAWKIT, there will be men and women just like Negan --not that there aren't now, but here and now is different -- and I've tried steeling myself in the put-on-the-big-person's-pants mindset, but, jeez .........

I like Sci-Fi, fantasy, horror, and various kinds of adventures, but I have a low threshold for gratuitous violence. Having gotten a good taste of it in the real world it all seems so pointless and affected. Likewise with your Twain quote, a little profanity is the spice et al, but the way Hollyweird litters the stage it's off-putting.

I've viewed a few of the Walking Dead episodes but I can't seem to stick with them. Too many stupid people making stupid decisions. They'd all be dead by now!

Kinda where I ended up too...i checked out...the show started losing my interest like most do...and I think the reason so many stupid decisions are made by characters in the show is because the producers and writers are milking this puppy and they are too stupid to know how to milk it right...I think they got arrogant (yeah, I know unusual for Hollyweirdo types, eh?) and overestimated the following of this show...it's almost as if they think the viewers have the same cultish mentality as your average Prog and will just go along with everything no matter what...

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Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Glock32 on October 26, 2016, 10:28:23 AM
I realize it's a TV show and they have to make characters do seemingly stupid and inexplicable things as a source of tension or plot elements, but every time I see them do things like clearing buildings or walking as a dismounted patrol I -- as a non-expert with no military experience -- can't help but notice the awful situational awareness, bunching up into groups where it's too easy to muzzle your friends and too difficult to engage threats, not to mention being an easy target for bad guys.

I thought even since ancient times fighting forces have understood the point of tactical separation.  The Greek phalanx was notable because it was a deliberate bunching together, but they had a specific reason for it and they were highly disciplined in doing it.

I also think they don't use vehicles offensively like they should. An armored vehicle with stand-offs mounted to it could clear dozens of walkers pretty easily.
Title: Re: Walking Dead
Post by: Weisshaupt on October 26, 2016, 11:00:15 AM
I also think they don't use vehicles offensively like they should. An armored vehicle with stand-offs mounted to it could clear dozens of walkers pretty easily.

No kidding. Carol figured that out - and then went driving by herself because she was tired of killing or being a killer or whatever her problem was. .  WTF. Then stay home and bake more acorn cookies.. Don't drive off on your own into an environment that necessitates conflict and killing. Duh.

I think they could have done a really interesting series,  with lots of opportunity for character growth, internal and external conflict , if they just followed the journey of a group INTELLIGENTLY clearing an area, building a settlement, coming into contact with other settlements, experiencing internal leadership and organizational growing pains as they become larger and well defended. Dealing with when to admit outsiders and when not.  Some of that growth could simply be the clueless suburbanite learning - the hard way -  becoming  situationally aware,   how to move, etc. Largely,  Carol could have been that character... Hell I would even take Carol supplanting some male leader to satisfy the feminist crowd - as long as the decisions were intelligent.  The story could really have revolved around the troubles that would actually be encountered trying to rebuild a town and society  in that environment.  But no, we get 7 seasons of stupid decisions, leading to the same stupid outcomes, driving home "masculine toxicity"  over and over and over.