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Police shoot up Biker's in Waco, TX at Twin Peaks restraunt
Libertas:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-18/9-killed-18-injured-192-arrested-after-true-biker-shootout-texas-breastaraunt
Ohhhh, Twin Peaks, yeah I get it now.
PS-Ban restrooms, they invite violence!!!
AlanS:
--- Quote from: Libertas on May 19, 2015, 07:29:01 AM ---Ohhhh, Twin Peaks, yeah I get it now.
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It's the competition for Hooters.
Bike gangs are no different than any other criminal enterprise. It's all about territory, money, and power.
Although I enjoy riding Harley's, I've never had the ambition to join a gang. The vast majority of the members I've seen look to have the IQ of bathwater. That's almost a requirement for the initiation period (called probation) where abuses are dumped on them. The members with an actual IQ that the club can benefit from don't have to go through probation. Plus the intelligent members seem to get to management pretty quick.
AlanS:
Conspiracy theorists abound with logical questions.
https://saboteur365.wordpress.com/2015/05/18/the-waco-police-massacre-did-the-police-just-legally-murder-nine-bikers/
--- Quote ---And here’s the comment raising relevant questions:
Thanks for the well written article. It’s important to note what the LEOs spokesperson has NOT said thus far. The list of questions unanswered is staggering, and speaks to the level of spin being applied here. Keep in mind that there is an unprecedented level of containment by the Waco PD on the facts so far, despite some well-staged press events. It’s likely those present will not speak out in public either so the truth seems to be the first casualty here.
So far unasked/ unanswered by LEOs:
Did the restaurant or surrounding businesses have cameras operating?
Did the cops have body cams or dash cams operating?
Did the cops have undercover video or audio operating inside the building or on the patio?
Was a warrant obtained, if so?
Were there undercover officers inside the building, inside the MC clubs, inside the bathroom?
How many rounds/shots did the cops fire, and from what type of firearms?
How many cops shot their fireams? How many on scene did NOT?
How many off duty cops were present and fired their firearms?
How many of the off duty officers present were in plain clothing?
How many of these plain clothes officers entered the restaurant prior to the incident?
How many off duty cops were already wearing body armor when they happened to be there?
How many of the off duty officers happened to have automatic weapons with them that day?
How many bikers face assault charges? How many of those arrested were found carrying handguns? How many of those were legal? How many of those were illegal?
How many of the deceased were shot in the back? How many, if any firearms were found near the bodies of the deceased?
Is there a single firearm that has been traced to a known biker on the scene?
How many cop cars have bullet holes in them?
Why were the media kept so far back as to not be able to take pictures of any of the supposed 100 weapons found scattered around, or the items found neat or on the bodies?
Since when is a wallet chain a weapon?
How many wings does it take to fly above the bullsh*t here?
and so on.
Nine men are dead, and 18 more wounded. Historically this is unprecedented for a single day’s list of casualties. What policy and practices led to this tragedy and when will the public be invited to weigh in on such tactics?
When do we get the truth? When will there be justice instead of oppression?
Condolences and respect for all deserving same.
The bikers on the source site are asking all sorts of relevant questions and offering relevant insights.
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http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/05/19/report-of-waco-police-affidavitwarrants-inconsistent-with-initial-public-claims-by-same-police/
--- Quote ---Additionally, the police originally stated that all gang member gunfire was inside the building, and all the deceased were shot inside the restaurant.
However, a report outlining the 500 page construct of the police affidavit and arrest warrant(s) claims that all events happened outside in the parking lot:
[…] The affidavit goes on to say three or more members or associates of the Cossacks Motorcycle Club were in the parking lot of the restaurant when they confronted three or more members of the Bandidos Motorcycle Club when the Banditos arrived at the parking lot.
After the two rival groups met in the parking lot a fight broke out, the affidavit says.
“During the course of the altercation, members and associates of the Cossacks and Banditos brandished and used firearms, knives, or other unknown edged weapons, batons, clubs, brass knuckles and other weapons,:” the affidavit says.
The affidavit says the gang members fired at each other and then when police tried to stop the fight, they began firing at officers.
Waco police officers returned fire striking multiple gang members,” the affidavit says (link)
Additionally the police went to great lengths to state the franchise owner/operator of the Twin Peaks restaurant would not cooperate with law enforcement and refused to cancel the event despite the demands of local law enforcement.
However, that too is factually disputed by the owner/operator:
[…] Late Monday afternoon the restaurant’s operators issued another statement in which they said law enforcement officials did not ask the operator or the franchisor to cancel the patio reservation on Sunday.
The event Sunday afternoon was not a Bike Night, the statement said, but instead the result of a “regular patio reservation made by a female customer who has been to the restaurant previously.”
“Based on the information to date, we also believe that the violence began outside in the area of the parking lot, and not inside our restaurant or on our patio, as has been widely reported,” the statement said.
[…] “We are in the process of gathering additional facts, and urge that people avoid rushing to judgment before those facts are fully known,” the [franchise owner] statement said. (link)
It would appear there are several contradictions with the initial -and ongoing- claims by Waco Police Spokesperson Sgt. W. Patrick Swanton. Including last night:
[…] Shots were fired inside the restaurant and bikers were shot, stabbed and beaten before the fight quickly moved outside to the parking lot, Swanton said
Just to refresh our memory, here is Swanton’s first Presser again: (this took place at approximately 3:00pm CST Sunday)
In addition, the number of uniformed police who were surrounding the building during the timeframe the bikers arrived at the event has increased from 12+ (original report) to more than 18+. And now includes the police stating the entire uniformed SWAT division, vehicles, squad cars, MRAP, and all SWAT equipment were in the parking lot directly in front of the restaurant.
[…] Eighteen uniformed Waco police officers including an assistant chief, sergeants and one rookie were standing by outside the restaurant Sunday and responded within a matter of seconds after the violence broke out between members of five rival gangs, Swanton said
So when we consider the police visibility -including their assault rifles- and overlay the affidavit claim: “three or more members or associates of the Cossacks Motorcycle Club were in the parking lot of the restaurant when they confronted three or more members of the Bandidos Motorcycle Club when the Banditos arrived at the parking lot“, you would have to think these are the stupidest gang members, or….. something else.
[…] As the officers responded, the bikers directed gunfire in their direction, police said.
“Our officers took fire and responded appropriately, returning fire,” he said.
There’s bound to be CCTV video at the restaurant/bar, that might help clear up some of the discrepancies if the video is ever made public.
However, it is worth noting the police themselves might have a vested interest in a very specific version of events, and no-one is visible yet to give any eye-witness information which might contradict that version.
It surely does seem odd that gang members would turn guns on heavily armed police who were directly in front of them, in the same parking lot, mere feet away. It also seems exceptionally fortunate that so far not a single stray bullet hit another building, vehicle or structure.
[…] Three of the dead were found in the parking lot just outside of the restaurant, four were found in front of the building and one had been dragged behind a neighboring restaurant. (link)
Yet, …all the gang shooting was inside, right. Right?
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Libertas:
What about the one report that said a few of the bodies (outside) we're dispatched by the police.
The PoPo are effing this thing up every which way...this is going to be one fustercluck to untangle. Who's the fricken DA down there, Krusty the Klown? I would think even a bottom-feeding public defender can raise enough doubt to get many of these guys off whatever they are charged with!
Is it just me or is maybe this whole thing engineered by the PoPo? ::foilhathelicopter::
The only true comment I've seen thusfar that cannot be refuted is this - "How many wings does it take to fly above the bullsh*t here?"
Glock32:
AFAIAC, the police have long since depleted the supply of benefit of the doubt. I'm not willing to take anything they say at face value. Maybe this really was just a case of motorcycle gang thugs in a turf war, maybe not. I read one site that said one of the MCs in there is composed mainly of cops, active and retired.
The only apparent conclusion at this point is that there were multiple gangs involved, and one of them was the police department.
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