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Patriotism is the Last Refuge of a Liberal
« on: May 03, 2011, 10:14:25 PM »
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You don't need a Bin Laden to have an Al-Qaeda, and you don't need an Al-Qaeda to have terrorism. Bin Laden's death fulfilled the cycle of an Islamic terrorist's life as a martyr. In the short term, our enemies have been reminded that we can and will get to them no matter where they hide. But in the long term, Bin Laden's death is a canonization that completes his place in the Islamist narrative. Now his story is told and will be retold over and over again.

The problem was never one man in a cave in Afghanistan or an estate in Pakistan. Islamic terror derives from a culture of supremacy. And Obama has spent enough time in the Muslim world to know that. Osama's death allows him and us to count coup, but the problem is getting worse, not better. Afghanistan and Pakistan were the homeland of terror, but the road that Bin Laden's butchers followed lies through Europe and America. Muslim immigrants and students moving out into the West mark the trail of terror. That road is a dagger pointed at the heart of the free world.

The interoperability of Pakistan's intelligence service and military with Al-Qaeda is not some unique phenomenon, it reflects the will of the Pakistani people, only 3 percent of whom think Bin Laden was a terrorist. Muslim terrorists work hand in glove with Muslim countries, even when they fight and quarrel with them. Because they have more in common with each other, than they do with us. Just as we support people who share our culture and values, so do they. Muslims may have different views on Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda, but they still like them more than they do us. Which is why Bin Laden was able to live comfortably not far from the capitol without any worries that he would be turned in.

The problem was never Al-Qaeda. The problem is Islam. While the SEALS were off putting an end to Bin Laden, the growth of Islam in the free world continues to pose a dire threat to the survival of the free world. Osama's quick burial showed that we were still cowed by his religion's demands even in death. Killing one man did not end that regime of terror. Not so long as it remains lodged inside the heads of our leaders. Patriotism is the first resort of patriots and the last resort of men who have already sold out their country.

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Re: Patriotism is the Last Refuge of a Liberal
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2011, 10:28:45 PM »
Without Leftist enablers, apologists, facilitators, appeasers, and allies, Islam's real threat to the West is almost negligible. Sure, terrorism always poses a potential threat. But the real threat isn't any individual act of terrorism, but the manner in which it turns Leftists into Islamic allies against their own cultures, countries, and societies, and the manner in which that Leftist alliance enables acts of Islamic terrorism.

Just imagine how impotent Islam would be if the men of the West presented a unified front, with no Leftist cancer eating away at the heart of our nations.
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Re: Patriotism is the Last Refuge of a Liberal
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2011, 10:34:23 PM »
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9/11 was the best thing that ever happened to Muslim power and influence in America. It lifted them up from obscurity, gave them a hall pass to the White House and filled their coffers with money. And that was even long before Obama was elected. The idea that we need to work with Muslim moderates in order to stop violence became an idée fixe that led to craven acts of submission. No matter how extensive the proof that the so-called moderates were supporting and funding terrorism, the politicians refused to listen. They had found a solution to the problem of terrorism, and they returned to it, like a dog to its vomit.

As much as the "reasonable thinkers" will deny it, Muslim terrorism leads to Muslim political dominance. Not just in some Third World backwater with three days of running water a week, but right here in the West. After the blood is cleaned off the streets, the political leadership looks for someone to negotiate with. The time isn't right for them to negotiate with Bin Laden (though 9 years after 9/11, we're already negotiating with the Taliban) but there are plenty of local substitutes, organizations founded by Muslim Brotherhood members, funded by Saudi Arabia and treated as representatives of American or Canadian Muslims.

From Al Qaeda's perspective, their plan is on track. The West has begun to submit. For all the bombs dropped on Kandahar, the Koran is welcome in the White House. Bombs come and go, but violence is a constant part of tribal life, the fighters can retreat and then come back again. But so long as the door is open to Islam, then the game is still breaking their way. Since 9/11, America has bent over backward to accommodate Islam. Which means that Al Qaeda has succeeded.

Bin Laden may be dead. Al Qaeda's numbers are scattered. But they have accomplished far more than they could have ever dreamed of with four planes. Since then, despite the small numbers of Muslims, Islam has become a major factor in American politics. Just as Mohammed's terrorism forced local rulers to come to try and come to terms with Islam on a peaceful basis, so too Bin Laden has gotten American politicians to try and do the same thing.

Al Qaeda in America will try to build on those successes with a domestic insurgency. Once it exists as an active force, the goal will be to try and get American politicians to negotiate with it directly. The premise sounds absurd. As absurd as the idea of Israel negotiating with the PLO in the 1980's. Except today the PLO is on track to a state and in control of a sizable amount of Israel, and the controversy is over whether Israel will openly negotiate with Hamas. The next step after a terrorist group is the transition to an armed force that will try to control entire areas. After that comes the specter of a political solution.

For now informants and lack of training is a serious obstacle to Al Qaeda in America. Local Muslims who are suffering from a case of Jihad Fever are as likely to encounter an FBI informant, as the real deal. But the network of informants of the Mukhbarat in Egypt makes their American counterpart seem puny, and yet the Muslim Brotherhood remained a powerful force there. Lack of training means that we'll have more Times Square Bombers who fizzle, but they only need to be lucky once. And as long as terrorists get civilian trials, they'll still have the chance to promote the cult of Jihad.

The left has already accepted Islam as the new counterculture, the identity of the oppressed and the downtrodden, and they are learning to enjoy slumming as Muslims. Lauren Booth is a prominent example, but far from an isolated one. The elites of the left have always looked to the underclasses for diversion, whether it was drugs, farm cooperatives or revolution. Now the latest diversion is Islam. Don a Hijab, grow a beard and rant about the occupation, one of them anyway. The elites of the left are always longing to escape from their gilded cages to be "with the people", whatever they fancy the people to be. Islam is their next great escape from civilization and the need to be civilized. To toss away all morals and mores, and get down in the muck.

The left still has an appetite for violence, but no stomach for organizing it anymore. Al Qaeda in America will be the successor of the anarchists and the Weathermen. And it will continue to attract leftist radicals like Gadahn, who see in Islam, the torch of angry radicalism turning from red to green. It will not topple America, but it is part of the transition from long range attacks out of Pakistan or Germany, and into a local Muslim insurgency, fed by a stream of new converts fostered in Saudi mosques. The next wave of terror is here. And it doesn't depend on plans hatched thousands of miles away, but on your friendly neighborhood Muslim next door.
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Re: Patriotism is the Last Refuge of a Liberal
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2011, 10:36:32 PM »
Half those ass hats are the ones that wanted Bush tried for war crimes.
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Re: Patriotism is the Last Refuge of a Liberal
« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2011, 12:11:28 AM »
They are winning because we are not fighting. When the true America gets into the fight they will go back to their caves and cinder block mansions and beat their wives and f**k their goats, but they will not bother us because they are uncomfortable with actual retribution OT style.

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Muslim terrorists work hand in glove with Muslim countries, even when they fight and quarrel with them. Because they have more in common with each other, than they do with us. Just as we support people who share our culture and values, so do they.
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Cousins, is the Southern reference. They may kill each other but interfere with them and they will come after you.
To a Muslim our existance is interference.  We are infidels violating the everthing they live for, they must cleanse the earth.

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Without Leftist enablers, apologists, facilitators, appeasers, and allies, Islam's real threat to the West is almost negligible. Sure, terrorism always poses a potential threat. But the real threat isn't any individual act of terrorism, but the manner in which it turns Leftists into Islamic allies against their own cultures, countries, and societies, and the manner in which that Leftist alliance enables acts of Islamic terrorism.
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Collaborators with the devil.  A  portion of the population are attracted to the dark side, evil; and the personification of that today is the terrorist and the entrance to that world is Islamisism. One step past Goth World.  It's the attraction of the crazy to a 7th century death cult that worships a meteorite in a big black box in Mecca. 

Before our very eyes our normal nation has been taken over by irrational, illogical, fools who have embraced the Saturday matinee horror movie and its titillating perversity as reality. They have assumed the role of "The Doctor".  The real horror is that we allowed it to happen instead of pulling it up short we allowed "evil creep".  And now that evil is consuming us.

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   Just imagine how impotent Islam would be if the men of the West presented a unified front, with no Leftist cancer eating away at the heart of our nations.
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Yes.
Or just American leadership with a backbone ready to lead America by defining the enemy and laying down clear vision of the acceptable and unacceptable in accordance with traditional America and adhere to the Constitution. We would have no terrorist problem; but we do because our leaders are worms who have eaten our foundation to wormwood.

This is why the fear Bachmann, West, Palin, DeMint and the like.

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Re: Patriotism is the Last Refuge of a Liberal
« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2011, 05:31:31 AM »
You will notice that every time a particular tool or procedure to enhance national security is legally blocked , a liberal is behind the blocking and uses ( or rather miss-uses ) The Constitution to do it .

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Re: Patriotism is the Last Refuge of a Liberal
« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2011, 06:56:12 AM »
You will notice that every time a particular tool or procedure to enhance national security is legally blocked , a liberal is behind the blocking and uses ( or rather miss-uses ) The Constitution to do it .

It's that "living constitution" BS they always spew!  When you animate the inanimate it is no longer an absolute and can be perverted to whatever means justify the ends.  This concept is at the very core of a proglodytes evil black heart!

I want that heart ripped out, stabbed, shot, burned and scattered to the four corners!
We are now where The Founders were when they faced despotism.

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Re: Patriotism is the Last Refuge of a Liberal
« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2011, 07:22:02 AM »
Don't like 'em do ya ?   ;D

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Re: Patriotism is the Last Refuge of a Liberal
« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2011, 07:29:35 AM »
Oh sure...I think they'd make great lawn gnomes...impaled on spikes!

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Re: Patriotism is the Last Refuge of a Liberal
« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2011, 07:51:14 AM »
Oh sure...I think they'd make great lawn gnomes...impaled on spikes!

 ;D

My neighbor has a statue of Stymie in his front yard . He's wearing jockey clothes and holding a lantern and ...

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Re: Patriotism is the Last Refuge of a Liberal
« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2011, 07:52:18 AM »
Oh sure...I think they'd make great lawn gnomes...impaled on spikes!

 ;D

My neighbor has a statue of Stymie in his front yard . He's wearing jockey clothes and holding a lantern and ...

 ::hysterical::

...and he's still under-qualified!!!

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Re: Patriotism is the Last Refuge of a Liberal
« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2011, 10:45:23 AM »
Where is our Charles Martel or Ferdinand and Isabella?
What was really wrong with the Crusades?

Even though the Black Jack Pershing story of dealing with the Philipine Muslim terrorists seems to be a fairy tale, I like it and advocate it's wholesale use.

Those camel f**kers only understand and respect one thing.
Brutal retribution.

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Re: Patriotism is the Last Refuge of a Liberal
« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2011, 08:25:25 PM »
What was really wrong with the Crusades?



This might answer that question:

God's Battalions: The Case for the Crusades
by Rodney Stark
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Re: Patriotism is the Last Refuge of a Liberal
« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2011, 06:31:53 PM »
The enemy of my enemy is my freind until thy take your F[]cken head off! ::whoohoo::
Losers all  ::hysterical::
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