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Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2016, 06:46:50 PM »
Now the skunk is trying to skitter out before some of her abnormal behavior gets her canned....

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2015/04/oregon_us_attorney_amanda_mars.html

....poetic justice would be seeing this POS found rotting in a ditch.

And on the theme of the Fedcoats owning too much of our land...

Dude. I hate to rain on your parade, but that article is from April, 2015.
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Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2016, 06:13:04 AM »
Now the skunk is trying to skitter out before some of her abnormal behavior gets her canned....

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2015/04/oregon_us_attorney_amanda_mars.html

....poetic justice would be seeing this POS found rotting in a ditch.

And on the theme of the Fedcoats owning too much of our land...

Dude. I hate to rain on your parade, but that article is from April, 2015.

It's not you...I rained on myself.  The Conservative Treehouse article mentioned it too...and for some reason it didn't stick...but right at the start they said "Former US Attorney"...and then you wonder why is a former USA recommending anything in this case...but then later you read the chain of events going way back (also covered in that Crowder link) and see the decision to go after these folks hard was basically decided in 2013.  The dates and such go whipping back and forth all over this thing.  And her skittering out of town did happen last year...but after the process was already rolling on the poor Hammond's.

OK, we're back in context now!
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Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
« Reply #22 on: January 08, 2016, 08:23:47 AM »
Now the skunk is trying to skitter out before some of her abnormal behavior gets her canned....

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2015/04/oregon_us_attorney_amanda_mars.html

....poetic justice would be seeing this POS found rotting in a ditch.

And on the theme of the Fedcoats owning too much of our land...

Dude. I hate to rain on your parade, but that article is from April, 2015.

It's not you...I rained on myself.  The Conservative Treehouse article mentioned it too...and for some reason it didn't stick...but right at the start they said "Former US Attorney"...and then you wonder why is a former USA recommending anything in this case...but then later you read the chain of events going way back (also covered in that Crowder link) and see the decision to go after these folks hard was basically decided in 2013.  The dates and such go whipping back and forth all over this thing.  And her skittering out of town did happen last year...but after the process was already rolling on the poor Hammond's.

OK, we're back in context now!

Ahhh! Now I see.

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Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2016, 12:11:51 PM »

Oregon Sheriff David "Himmler" Ward, also known as "Witness #11, BLM 'Rangeland Specialist' David Ward".



The prototype eager fascist prick who would pull the trigger on any citizen if ordered to do so.  AKA - sub-human scum, fascist state-buttbuddy.

Situation update -

“I’m here to offer safe escort out,” the sheriff told Bundy. “Go back and kick it around with your folks.”

The sheriff initially said he planned to call Bundy on Friday to see what he and his group decided.

But later Bundy told reporters that the protesters won’t leave until federal land in the county is turned over to residents to manage on their own.

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/01/10/another-unbelievable-update-why-does-harney-county-sheriff-david-ward-want-hammond-family-story-hidden/

Yeah...I'd have gone with..."The protesters won’t leave until federal land in the county is turned over to residents to manage on their own, go back and kick that around with your fellow fascists."

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Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
« Reply #24 on: January 12, 2016, 07:57:54 AM »
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-11/latest-escalation-oregon-militia-tears-down-government-fence-demands-freedom-rancher

Fence cutting, small but symbolic.

So far it is all polite and the niceties are being observed...

It appears the Fedcoats are not in a hurry to escalate...but as with past confrontations this could still go either way...
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Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
« Reply #25 on: January 14, 2016, 06:29:22 PM »
Fit is fixing to hit the shan. Thanks to the Federal Bureau of Incineration.

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/oregon-fire-marshall-resigns-exposing-undercover-fbi-agents-posing-militia/

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This week, Harney County Fire Marshall Chris Briels resigned after discovering undercover FBI agents posing as militia members near the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, which has been the site of a standoff for weeks now. According to Briels, he found FBI agents who were impersonating militia members lurking around the town’s armory. When he inquired about the undercover operation with county Judge Steve Grasty he was told to back off.

Just before this discovery was made, there were reports of people who looked like militia harassing locals, which is uncharacteristic of the protesters who initially assembled at the refuge. It turns out that these militia members suspected of harassing locals were actually undercover FBI agents.
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Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
« Reply #26 on: January 15, 2016, 06:30:48 AM »
Fit is fixing to hit the shan. Thanks to the Federal Bureau of Incineration.

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/oregon-fire-marshall-resigns-exposing-undercover-fbi-agents-posing-militia/

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This week, Harney County Fire Marshall Chris Briels resigned after discovering undercover FBI agents posing as militia members near the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, which has been the site of a standoff for weeks now. According to Briels, he found FBI agents who were impersonating militia members lurking around the town’s armory. When he inquired about the undercover operation with county Judge Steve Grasty he was told to back off.

Just before this discovery was made, there were reports of people who looked like militia harassing locals, which is uncharacteristic of the protesters who initially assembled at the refuge. It turns out that these militia members suspected of harassing locals were actually undercover FBI agents.
It's a damn shame any of them survived their impersonation/infiltration. ::facepalm::
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Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
« Reply #27 on: January 15, 2016, 07:38:42 AM »
Fit is fixing to hit the shan. Thanks to the Federal Bureau of Incineration.

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/oregon-fire-marshall-resigns-exposing-undercover-fbi-agents-posing-militia/

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This week, Harney County Fire Marshall Chris Briels resigned after discovering undercover FBI agents posing as militia members near the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, which has been the site of a standoff for weeks now. According to Briels, he found FBI agents who were impersonating militia members lurking around the town’s armory. When he inquired about the undercover operation with county Judge Steve Grasty he was told to back off.

Just before this discovery was made, there were reports of people who looked like militia harassing locals, which is uncharacteristic of the protesters who initially assembled at the refuge. It turns out that these militia members suspected of harassing locals were actually undercover FBI agents.
It's a damn shame any of them survived their impersonation/infiltration. ::facepalm::

This is exactly what I have been waiting for!  Something like this had to be in the works, the Feds and the County have been too damned quiet, and one thing we know for sure - all statists regardless of era or location cannot ever back down from uppity citizens!  If that spirit is not crushed they know the end is near for them. 

They are the ones who should be getting scared now.  What they are incapable of realizing is THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE FOUNDERS INTENDED!  The Founders ALWAYS understood the only thing that will keep a Republic honest is a knowledgeable and armed citizenry.  The Founders knew the ultimate check-and-balance on government overreach at any level was an aroused and armed populace.  This is what the Founders wanted and in fact counted on...and it is the very thing that makes every statist shat their pants.  It is The State that needs to back down and back off here, not the people.  It is the government and its agencies that have to reverse course, not the people.  They need to understand that...or have it explained to them in blood.

And make no mistake, they are getting scared -

“Government employees around here, when they go downtown, they get hammered because their bosses did this or they did that,”

Good, that's they way it is supposed to be...but it does not occur to these minions to stop doing what they are doing to their own people...they are just following orders!  Hint - That didn't work so well at the Nuremburg Trials, look it up!

One of Appelman’s former colleagues was threatened and told to “go home,” despite the fact she’s lived in the county for 25 years. “Because she’s a BLM employee. That’s why they told her that,”

That's because you and your fellow blindly obedient Fedcoats are oppressing your own people!  You are the Gestapo, you are the SS!  Get it?

“Federal employees find this disturbing,” said BLM spokesman Randy Eardley. “There is a very clear threat to federal employees, particularly the BLM.”

And it is all totally unreasonable, I mean it's not like dictates from the District of Corruption that make no sense whatsoever where people can be harrassed, fined and jailed for the most nonsensical bullshat is fueling the anger of your fellow citizens against you that could be the cause...no, these people need to be taught a lesson, right?  Obey, or else.  Well, they are saying "up yours, fascist...we'll see your 'or else' and raise you a "fvckle-doodle-do!", and now y'all are getting that and act like you are the victims!

“Many of these confrontations are taking place as their employees are grocery shopping, running errands with their families and trying to lead their day-to-day lives,”

Oh, boo fricken hoo!  The leftist set the template for harrassing people (familiar at all with the antics of the recent anti-Scott Walker crowd?), you are effing lucky these people haven't escalated...yet...but I am sure the attitude you are taking is going to ensure that, so deep down you want a kinetic confrontation.

“The local people, generally, maybe not support the federal employees, but they don’t – we’re a community here,” Renchler said. “They don’t take it personally.”

Heh, pure hopium!  They are taking it personal you fool!  My God, the self-deception of these minions really is comparable to the Nazis, isn't it?

“How many ranchers’ kids work for the government, work for the BLM? I know quite a few,”

More delusion...they think enough of the people are sheep and will shrug and go back being sheep once this all blows over.  But, what if it blows up?

“I don’t want to see my neighbors and my families pitted against each other,”

Then stop supporting mindless drones carrying out the tyrannical orders of assholes who are oppressing your neighbors!  Maybe you have to write that on a 2x4 and beat these morons with it?

“I don’t like my family members and my friends fearing for their lives,” she said. “I don’t like the thought that my daughter could wake up one night and possibly have somebody outside trying to set fire to her house, or slash her tires, or follow her home and harass her and my grandchildren.”

Nobody has done that yet...so stop playing the victim, it does not absolve the hive-minded Gestapo for acting like hive-minded Gestapo.

“That pisses me off,” she said. “That makes me want to go down there and tell them to get the hell out.”

Big talk, why haven't you done that?  What are you affraid of?  Come on, you can say it, we all know...you don't want to be told you and your ilk are the oppressors!  Nobody gives a shat if you are fearful or angry...they just don't give a shat!

http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/harney-county-federal-employees/

These punks are pulling the teachers union playbook out too, enlisting their kids to talk about how scared they are in their own towns...but what they aren't telling you is mommy and/or daddy works for the government too. 

All this crap could be coming right out of Hitler Youth manuals.

And it is not getting angry out there just here, Nevada is heating up again too.

"We got to live in this community," said Smith, who supervised, trained and still hunts with Furtado in this community where many carry concealed handguns. "All these issues, none of them are worth dying over. I worry about that — so does Doug."

 ::ohno::  Armed citizens!  OMG, those are the worst kind!  Yeah, schmuck...you assholes carry too, eh?  Or do you call DC hotline for 1-FEDCOAT-R-US for goons?

I'm glad you are worried!

"Support ranchers," "Protect grazing, water rights" and "Honk to impeach Furtado!"  "I lay on it when I go by," said rancher Eddyann Filippini, 59. "You do what you got to do when the devil's got the sword to your throat."

Sounds fed up to me.  Good.

"There's no more partnership," Filippini said. "Now it's them or us."  That's what concerns Furtado and his defenders.

Really fed up!

"Everybody felt a little more empowered when the BLM didn't impound Cliven Bundy," Smith said.

I think that is why they chose to get Fedcoats disguised as Militia and snoop around in Oregon to see what trouble they could gin up as an excuse to go Waco on these peoples butts.  They need a False Flag event to kill this irritating display of authentic American individualism now or that crazy notion might catch fire.

Filippini, the local rancher, said she has worked well with Ruhs.  "I respect John very much. But I can't say that's true of the local office," she said, laughing bitterly. "There's zero trust; there's zero integrity. It's like they're the bullies on the block."  If they can't reach an agreement, Filippini intends to turn her cattle out as scheduled March 1.  "Until we go back to being partners, that's the way it's going to be," she said. "We will stand and fight for our property." 

 ::thumbsup::


"I just don't see it ending that way here," he said. "The people who abuse the public lands the worst are the ones who will fight the hardest."

Gosh, I wonder if there would have been more harmony had the government not seized control of such enormous tracts of land?  The Feds own most of Nevada, if people had bigger spreads of land to manage themselves and didn't have BLM, EPA, etc etc around...well, we'll never know, will we?  Until they are driven off.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-nevada-ranchers-blm-20160114-story.html

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Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
« Reply #28 on: January 15, 2016, 12:20:14 PM »
I have been following this for a while but with virtually no real news in my area of the country on this, I really don't know the details.  So I am hoping one or more of you can school me on the situation.

From what I have read both the Bundy's as well as the Oregon family have used federal land as part of their ranching operation for decades with the cooperation of the BLM.  For some reason all of the sudden the BLM does not like the way they are treating the land and want them off of it.  I read where the Bundy's were accused of environmental damage and the Oregon situation was about a controlled burn off.  Am I even close to having this right ??

So the Bundy's along with others stood their ground some months ago about this change in how the BLM wanted them to get off the land and now the Oregon supporters have taken the Federally owned building in protest of the BLM treatment in that case.  From What I have read, I don't understand why two people went to prison, other than the possibility that the gov wanted to make examples of them to put fear into everyone else.   Now we have the allegations of the FBI doing some underhanded things as well.

Some say that these ranchers are just greedy and want to take advantage and are trying to abuse the system and that the protesters are just those crazy gun loving conservatives.  Others say this is a gov land grab and if successful this will start happening all over the country.

Some may have seen other posts by me and know that I believe that this country is all but gone, and that I share with most here the true belief of how we must return to our constitution.  And their efforts to destroy it.  I would simply like to understand these specific events a little better.

So,  Can some here explain these events in common terms that even a guy from Kentucky can understand, or even provide a link to details of the evens that are not to difficult.  Many of the news articles are so limited in actual information and there is so much he said she said.  Thanks.

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Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
« Reply #29 on: January 15, 2016, 12:31:33 PM »
Read this thread from the beginning sfetter, particularly the link IDP posted here ...

http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php?topic=13937.msg151265#msg151265

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Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
« Reply #30 on: January 15, 2016, 02:43:44 PM »
Read this thread from the beginning sfetter, particularly the link IDP posted here ...

http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php?topic=13937.msg151265#msg151265

... and you should get a good idea what's going on.

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Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
« Reply #31 on: January 15, 2016, 07:31:24 PM »
 All I can say is wow!!  I am surprised that their has not been shooting yet.  All law enforcement as well as the judicial system in that state should be removed as traitors.

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Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
« Reply #32 on: January 15, 2016, 09:07:37 PM »
All I can say is wow!!  I am surprised that their has not been shooting yet.  All law enforcement as well as the judicial system in that state should be removed as traitors.

In my state there was a killing of a US federal prosecutor a few years back. He was crooked as the day is long but a dhimmicrat so he was immune - or so he thought. One night someone sneaked up on him and shot him in the head. They never have found the perp and there was no trail to go cold.

I say he should serve as a warning...

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Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
« Reply #33 on: January 15, 2016, 09:14:16 PM »
Folks are getting fed up...they've been bullied too hard...and with the economy going in the tank it is only going to exacerbate things...

Stuff could be about to hit more than one fan...
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Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
« Reply #34 on: January 16, 2016, 08:34:01 AM »
So now the firechief says he was misunderstood.

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-01-14/fbi-agents-werent-posing-as-militia-ex-fire-chief-clarifies

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Chris Briels, who recently resigned his position as Harney County fire chief, says Nevada Assemblywoman Michele Fiore, whose Wednesday press release sparked concern about a throwback to FBI infiltration and dirty tricks against activists, must have misunderstood him.

Fiore’s release said Briels had determined “men posing as ‘militia’ were the FBI.” Briels tells U.S. News he did indeed catch undercover FBI agents in small-town Burns, near where armed protesters are occupying a federal wildlife refuge, but that they were not posing as militia.

“They weren’t posing as anything other than dishonest people,” he says. “They were perceived as militia by the locals, but they weren’t posing out there with a shirt that said ‘I’m militia.’”

CYA. Out of towners acting shady and perceived as militia by the locals. I'd say their mission was accomplished.
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Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
« Reply #35 on: January 17, 2016, 11:10:47 AM »
Effing coward.

But doing the right thing is a character trait of the America of yesteryear... 

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Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
« Reply #36 on: January 18, 2016, 12:43:35 PM »
And the larger question at the root of all of this: just why in the hell is there so much "Federal land" in the first place?
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Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
« Reply #37 on: January 18, 2016, 12:47:02 PM »
And the larger question at the root of all of this: just why in the hell is there so much "Federal land" in the first place?
Refer back to the constitution...there isn't supposed to be baring military forts and ports of entry.
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Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
« Reply #38 on: January 18, 2016, 12:54:09 PM »
And the larger question at the root of all of this: just why in the hell is there so much "Federal land" in the first place?

Because they can: the National Monuments and Antiquities Act or somesuch.  Doesn't even require Congress' current action, just pen/phone.
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Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
« Reply #39 on: January 18, 2016, 07:53:46 PM »
And the larger question at the root of all of this: just why in the hell is there so much "Federal land" in the first place?

The federal government owns 85% of Nevada.   Granted most of it is desert.   But only the private sector will  ever find a use for it,  like Disney did with useless swamps in Florida.   At this point,  no one even has a chance to figure it out.   Its closed to you and me and just sits.

70% of Alaska (since its such a huge state, that 70% is larger then most states).   Except for about 5% that is privately owned,  the rest of Alaska belongs to the state government itself.   Ever wonder why Alaska doesn't develop much?   Its not just because its cold there.   Most of the state is closed to development.

Imagine the boom that  could be if that land was opened up to people?   It would be like pioneer times again in a lot of ways.  It would be amazing.   I think many would do it too,  as there are so many places in the US that just have no growth anymore. 



http://www.propertyrightsresearch.org/2004/articles6/state_by_state_government_land_o.htm


The further you go west,  the more is owned by the federal government.   

Frankly we could probably pay off the federal debt by selling land.