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Statist tool Zuckerberg is a lousy neighbor
« on: January 19, 2017, 07:21:53 AM »
Sue your neighbors!

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/34289685/facebook-ceo-suing-hundreds-over-kauai-land

What a dick.  How much land does one asshole need?  How many fences and walls?  I mean if these lefties are so adored by everybody for being the great humanitarians they claim to be and people extol them for being...why are they so afraid of people???
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Re: Statist tool Zuckerberg is a lousy neighbor
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2017, 09:43:16 PM »
Some very different land rights in Hawaii then in other places in the US.   Left over from the Hawaiian Kingdom I imagine.   Shades of third world land rights which can be pretty murky at times.   



However,  it looks like he is trying to end some land easements which are commonly attached to real estate.   Easements are what gives people rights to cross other people's real estate so they can access something (often so they can get to their own real estate,  or a body of water for example).   For example utility companies have easements across nearly everybody's property so they can distribute their products.   And no there is no rent or payment.  You have to allow access,  even to the point of allowing a driveway for example.

Generally,  if the easement is still in use,  it's nearly impossible to remove.  Generally they are permanent.   If that easement has been out of use or abandoned over the years,  the property owner can try to remove it.  All those that could be affected need to be contacted to inform them of that.   Sound like that is what is happening,  and his lawyers must be assholes about it or something.   Sounds like he is trying to buy out the rights,  and it's not going well.   Maybe many are still in use and people don't want to give them up.   

Access rights are very common when the property is large,  or if the property is near a lake for example,  so since the property is large,  there is likely hundreds of old easements.  Even more so if most of the surrounding landowners have small properties. 

My family has a cottage on a lake in the midwest.   There are lots behind us that have access rights to the lake through our property.   We and our  other lakefront neighbors have been buying up those lots (they were never developed due to the depression,  yeah we been there since the 1920's)over the years to remove those access easements.   That's probably the easiest way to remove them,  buy the property with the rights.    So now we have the lot with the cottage on it,  and about 4 lots behind it,  which is wooded.   It makes for a nice quiet place where we won't need to worry about people walking through. 

Sometimes people who own property inside national parks are called in-holders,  so sometimes easement right owners are called that too.  They have easement rights over national park land for access to there real estate.   The federal government hardly likes them,  and in recent years has put a lot a pressure on some of those property owners. 


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Re: Statist tool Zuckerberg is a lousy neighbor
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2017, 08:58:37 AM »
I like how the elitism comes right out...they never take "no" for an answer and if money can't take care of their problems directly they go the indirect route...paying off officials, buying politicians (or getting those already bought to act), etc.

When it comes to respecting others rights they are dicks, when others encounter theirs they better respect them, or else.  And if their pals in office take big chunks from others, too bad.  The hypocrisy and snobbery is what always separates these clowns from the rest of humanity.

If I was a neighbor of this tool, I would be an asshole right back at him!  And as Weisshaupt can confirm we INTJ's are a lot better at being an asshole than most other people!
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Re: Statist tool Zuckerberg is a lousy neighbor
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2017, 07:02:21 PM »
Oh,  for sure.   In the case of our cottage (and our neighbors) the access road is also an easement.   It's not a government controlled public road (its technically private and closed to the general public, there are signs on the ends saying its a private road, no thru access).    A new neighbor wanted to block off (and remove a section) of that road.   Yeah,  that didn't happen,  but it sure didn't make him too popular ha ha.   Some people just don't get it, you can't just take out a road that's been there a 100+ years even if its on your land. 

A private road does have its advantages,  no general public,  no speed traps (police aren't allowed on the road unless someone calls for service).   Even the google cam hasn't come down the road (they don't do private roads, unless given permission).   Only the post office is allowed access,  to the mailboxes. 

I'm guessing that is the problem,  he wants to remove access roads across his land that some of his neighbors need to even access their property.   Seeing he is building lots of fences,  that's probably what is going on here.    It's not like the public is allowed on those access roads,  it is still private property.     

If he was a nice neighbor,  he would set up a gated system for those people in order to keep out the general public.  I imagine most of those people would probably be ok with that. 
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Re: Statist tool Zuckerberg is a lousy neighbor
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2017, 07:10:57 AM »
I agree...unless there is something missing in the story (always a possibility...but in this case Zuckerberg being one of their own kind I think not) he didn't try the neighborly approach.

Plus, the due diligence of knowing what you are buying and who is around you and who has right to what should have occurred before any purchase order was executed...and I cannot believe a guy with his money and the lawyers he has on retainer didn't know...I think they full well knew and Zuckerberg figured might makes right and he'd throw money at the problem...simple arrogance is his default setting.
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Re: Statist tool Zuckerberg is a lousy neighbor
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2017, 07:16:34 AM »
Hawaiians call Mark Zuckerberg 'the face of neocolonialism' over land lawsuits

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jan/23/mark-zuckerberg-hawaii-land-lawsuits-kauai-estate

Ohh, jeez!  That's gotta smart! 

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Re: Statist tool Zuckerberg is a lousy neighbor
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2017, 07:55:39 AM »
Heh, this is getting better!

Zuckerberg, one of the world’s richest men, spent $100 million to buy 700 acres of land on the island of Kauai in Hawaii, per the Honolulu Star-Advertiser. At the time, Forbes Magazine described the estate as a “secluded” property for Zuckerberg’s family.

But according to local news reports, the estate isn’t quite as secluded as one might think. The Honolulu Star-Advertiser reported that locals have attempted to use an old trail that passes through the property, only to be harassed and intimidated by security. Some have even filed police complaints.

So in June 2016, Zuckerberg constructed a six-foot wall along part of his property, despite protests from locals, who called in a “monstrosity” and not neighborly, per The Garden Island, a local newspaper.

Now, more than six months later, around 200 locals are expected to march in protest along the wall this Saturday, per Business Insider.

But why did it take so long for a protest to form?

That’s because the protest isn’t just about an architectural squabble. It also has to do with the fact that although Zuckerberg owns control over the land, he is not the only one with rights to it. In particular, several parcels of land, totaling less than eight acres of the 700, belong in part to families who inherited the land through the Kuleana Act, a 167-year-old Hawaiian law.

The law allowed native families to legally own the land where they lived, and when those owners died without a will, the rights were supposed to pass on to the person’s heir. As ownership was passed down from generation to generation, Zuckerberg was able to buy a controlling interest in the land. However, the Kuleana Act still allows descendants of the original owners who still own their shares to access their land parcels, making it difficult for Zuckerberg’s security team to deny people entrance, per the Hololulu Star-Advertiser.

And so in mid-January, Zuckerberg filed eight lawsuits seeking to force the remaining owners to sell the land using a legal process known as “quiet title,” in which a state court determines ownership of a disputed piece of land, per Hawaii News Now. “Quiet title” has commonly been used to force defendants to be evicted from properties, per NOLO.com.

Additionally, Zuckerberg’s lawyers are using another legal tactic called “adverse possession” that allows a trespasser to actually gain ownership of land if they occupy it for a long enough time without the legal owner protesting. Zuckerberg’s lawsuits claim he legitimately bought the territory from people who used “adverse possession” rules to claim ownership in the first place.

While a common legal principle in the U.S., “adverse possession” has been criticized in Hawaii as a discriminatory practice used to take ancestral land away from native Hawaiians by plantation farmers and ranchers who bullied their way into using the land for an extended period of time, according to the Honolulu Star-Advertiser.

Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article129060949.html#storylink=cpy


So, he built a wall huh?  Interesting.  And now he'll have protesters to contend with...

Yeah, that's a shame...

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