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Why?
« on: April 24, 2012, 10:28:50 PM »
Today, the world seems to be 'enjoying' an incredible expansion of socialism. The population of the planet is under direct assault by people who share the devastatingly destructive ideologies of the likes of Stalin, Mao Zedong and Hitler; all the while screaming that those that oppose them are the ones channeling Hitler in order to confuse the ignorant.

They are succeeding.

I know some may scratch their heads and question my assertion that leftism is a dangerous thing and that Hitler was a leftist to begin with. Let me therefore provide a bit of historic background before I proceed any further.

First there is no debate about whether socialism or communism is leftist in nature. They are. It would seem however, that people have become blind to the fact that those schools of thought are dangerous. I'll chronicle a short list to illustrate how dangerous they really are. This is a short list mind you and does not encompass all the people that could be placed here.

Joseph Stalin - in 1917 he is responsible for approximately 20 million deaths, including up to 14.5 million needlessly starved to death. At least one million executed for political "offenses". At least 9.5 million more deported, exiled or imprisoned in work camps, with many of the estimated five million sent to the 'Gulag Archipelago' never returning alive. Other estimates place the number of deported at 28 million, including 18 million sent to the 'Gulag'.

Mao Zedong - in 1959 his socialist government through his 'great leap forward' caused "the worst famine in the history of mankind" in which an estimated 43 million died.

Pol Pot - From 1975 to 1979 his communist government managed to slaughter 1 to 3 million people in Cambodia while attempting to build his 'new agrarian communist utopia'. He especially targeted Buddhist monks, Muslims, Christians, Western-educated intellectuals, educated people in general, people who had contact with Western countries or with Vietnam, disabled people, and the ethnic Chinese, Laotians and Vietnamese.

Adolph Hitler - From 1935 to 1945 his national socialist party (Nazi) managed to slaughter 12 to 17 million people, focusing on Jews, ethnic minorities, communists (and other political opponents), homosexuals, the physically and mentally disabled, Jehovah's Witnesses' and Adventists.  

Margaret Sanger - in 1914 she founded the National Birth Control League (which has since changed its name and is now known as Planned Parenthood) and she had ties with the Ku Klux Klan (which is another leftist organization, but that will have to wait for a different discussion) and with Hitler through one of her trusted board members, Lathrop Stoddard (who met with Hitler and Joseph Goebbels personally and who's writings on eugenics were featured in Nazi school books at the time). I'll let Mrs. Sanger explain to you why she is on this list, in her own words.

"The campaign for birth control is not merely of eugenic value, but is practically identical with the final aims of eugenics." Margaret Sanger; 'The Eugenic Value of Birth Control Propaganda.' Birth Control Review, October 1921, page 5.

Multiple millions have died as a direct result of Margaret Sanger's eugenics program that targets ethnic minorities.  The death toll as a direct result of her legacy of genocide tops all the rest on this list and continues to outdo them all each year since her policies are still being utilized and supported right here in the United States and indeed, all across the planet by the left. Last estimates I read were around 44 million worldwide (with 1.4 million of those here in the US) each year.

Second, you will note that I have placed Adolph Hitler in that list above and here is why.

The Nazi's were in fact left wing in every sense of the word.

Did they kill off liberals, you bet. Leftist HATE competition. They believed their form of left wing government was the correct one. The minor difference between a Fascist and a Socialist can be illustrated like this:

They both believe in the state controlling the means of production, of that there can be no dissent. The Socialist believe in direct ownership while the fascist controlled the business owner to control the means of production. Hitler told the owners of the Krupp Iron works what they were going to build and how many and what the government would pay. Much as Obama has done with GM. The government also provided slave labor from overrun nations as well when needed. Stalin merely eliminated the middle man, as Hitler intended to do in the end if you read his insane writings.

Neither are right wing or Capitalist ways of doing things.

I wish to point out that in the strictest sense Nazi (National Socialist - a blend of Socialism and Totalitarianism which is why people sometimes confuse it with Fascism) political philosophy is Socialist. However it is not the same as saying that all Socialism is Nazism. Far from it. One can be both, but only if one is a Nazi.

You can say that I am not correct in my assessment if you wish and indeed, scholars have been debating this question ever since Hitler rose to power. Regardless, if you do say such a thing, let me show you why I have reached this conclusion by showing you Hitler's own words concerning leftism and what he thought of it.

   "Hitler said in 1927, “We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance.” However, Hitler wrote in 1930, “Our adopted term 'Socialist' has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism. Marxism is anti-property; true Socialism is not.” In a confidential 1931 interview, Hitler told the influential editor of a pro-business newspaper, “I want everyone to keep what he has earned subject to the principle that the good of the community takes priority over that of the individual. But the State should retain control; every owner should feel himself to be an agent of the State… The Third Reich will always retain the right to control property owners.” Party spokesman Joseph Goebbels claimed in 1932 that the Nazi Party was a “workers’ party” and “on the side of labor and against finance”. According to Friedrich Hayek, writing in 1944, “whatever may have been his reasons, Hitler thought it expedient to declare in one of his public speeches as late as February 1941 that ‘basically National Socialism and Marxism are the same.’"

Now that the history lesson is over, let me get back to my point.

How can it be that with the ideology of the left, which is so well documented in history and so obviously destructive (as I have outlined above); how is it that it is also so successful? At this point in our history America is the last beacon of freedom on the planet and yet, here we are with an avowed Marxist as a president and with similarly-minded minions at all stages of power throughout our country. We sit anxiously awaiting the 2012 election cycle and we are completely uncertain whether or not we will be able to eject this leftist from power. Can it really be true that half the population of the country is either ignorant of or uncaring of the destructive nature of the leftist ideology? And what about the rest of the planet? All other governments out there are either dictatorships, are completely leftist in nature or are crippled by leftist contagion worse than the US.

The United Nations actively strives to unite the world under one government (LINK) with complete socialist controls - even though history clearly shows how deadly socialism is. But the sad fact is that most of the world already is socialist to one degree or another.

In fact, virtually everything that is happening these days seems to be part of a concerted scheme to severely depress the world economy, in order to foment global regime change, and the inception of a global government. In truth, and in a very real sense, a coherent argument can be made that global government is already here! These G20 summit meetings could, in fact, be nothing more than just a clever way to conduct a new global government. The way things are right now it seems like it would be a fairly small step to take in order to transition from a G20 to a G195 summit committee; some arm-twisting here and a short war there, etc. And whomever chairs this committee would in reality be, by default, "President of the World". Essentially the US and maybe some of the Theocratic governments (ie, Muslim) are all that would really stand in the way.

So after all these words that I've put forth I guess it comes down to this for me:

It seems incredibly obvious what is being done (attempting to dismantle governments in order to create a one world government). And it seems incredibly obvious what the end result would look like (some form of Socialist government is what the UN seems to be pushing for). And history illustrates plainly what Socialist governments create; slavery, poverty and death on a massive scale (leftism in fact is responsible for killing more people in the 20th century than had been killed in all wars on Earth before 1900 combined) Yet the majority of the population of the planet seems to want that.

Why?
« Last Edit: April 24, 2012, 11:34:36 PM by BMG »
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Re: Why?
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2012, 10:41:06 PM »
Principalities and Powers, my friend.

I figure, every so often on the go 'round, the Principalities and Powers get the upper hand on men's affairs and presume to call the tune.  Usually, I figure, when Mens' faith in God is on the wane and the Hizzone Layer is thinned and holey.  They sneak the f**k in and work the dark magic on the weak, the stupid, the vain and the lustful -- think: "what most of the Seven Deadlies can I exploit today".  It's not thought of in those terms, of course, but the impulse to use men's failings is ever present.
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Re: Why?
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2012, 10:49:30 PM »

Preach it girl; look at those senators, look at Mythch when he comes out
and pronounces, look at him and see him in a white robe on the floor of
the Roman Senate.  That's where they are, not us, we are still centered
and it's up to us to remember it and to pass it on.  To keep it sacred.
 

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Re: Why?
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2012, 10:53:12 PM »
Charles, I ain't passin' on sht; progeniture has passed me by.  My goal now is to end as many as my arm's strength can manage.
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Re: Why?
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2012, 11:01:43 PM »

Let it be a pen at the end of your arm. 
We are not at the end we are at the
beginning.  There are angels out there
and they are testing us, they want to
know for sure. 

Progeniture, there are millions of children
out there that watch us every day, at the
grocery or wherever they are and they are
sharp.  All they need is one seed to carry
with them.

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Re: Why?
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2012, 11:04:17 PM »
No.  I carry my seed in a different receptable and I intend to spray far and wide when the time is right.  And I will decide when that is, with the Blessing of God and the Angels.  Not you.
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Re: Why?
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2012, 11:11:12 PM »

And in the meantime?

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Re: Why?
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2012, 11:16:05 PM »
Re-loading.
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Re: Why?
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2012, 07:27:37 AM »
Heh.  Load away!

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Re: Why?
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2012, 07:55:41 AM »
No.  I carry my seed in a different receptable and I intend to spray far and wide when the time is right.  And I will decide when that is, with the Blessing of God and the Angels.  Not you.
I too am waiting  for planting season.
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Re: Why?
« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2012, 08:02:35 AM »
Yet the majority of the population of the planet seems to want that.

Why?

Because someone else has "more" - America happened because, for one brief moment, the productive, creative and independent  could self-select and get away from the lesser members of the human species - those who literally lack the ability to live in the modern world the American's created.  They are cavemen. They hunt and gather. They think anything crated must be shared with the tribe, and resent anyone who has "more"  They have no clue that civilization, laws, production and prosperity are fragile things.  They only want what they want, and intend to take it my any means. They must kill Ivan's goat to punish Ivan for having "more" - the long term ramifications are lost on them. You saw the same in the London Riots - destroying the shops and businesses they depended on.. because they had more.

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This is known as "bad luck."
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Re: Why?
« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2012, 10:00:20 AM »
Heinlein was a genius

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Re: Why?
« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2012, 10:36:41 AM »
Heinlein was a genius

"There Ain't No Such Thing as a Free Lunch"

Yes, he was a genius.
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Re: Why?
« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2012, 10:57:35 AM »
"Bad luck"

I know people whose one discernible skill seems to be the ability to blame anything or anyone but themselves for the sorry state of their lives--when they're feeling particularly lazy they short hand it into blaming bad luck.



 
Principalities and Powers, my friend.

I figure, every so often on the go 'round, the Principalities and Powers get the upper hand on men's affairs and presume to call the tune.  Usually, I figure, when Mens' faith in God is on the wane and the Hizzone Layer is thinned and holey.  They sneak the f**k in and work the dark magic on the weak, the stupid, the vain and the lustful -- think: "what most of the Seven Deadlies can I exploit today".  It's not thought of in those terms, of course, but the impulse to use men's failings is ever present.

We have millions of "enlightened" people walking around acting like they discovered true healthcare and freedom because they are "responsible" and get  birth control so they can sleep with their boyfriend, accept abortion as  viable medical "care" because they're not ready to be a parent, believe anyone has the right to marry anyone just as they have a right to have sex with anyone they want.  They don't realize they have been exploited and manipulated to be slaves to their lust by EVIL. And once a person is a slave to their lust how easy it is to continue that manipulation and conditioning.  Like Pavlov's dogs. 

I had a single friend once say to me that "no church was going to tell her who she could have sex with".  What freedom!  I guess it's worth the worry about STDs, AIDS/HIV, the side effects of hormone-based birth control pills and shots.  Those are just a part of everyday life, unavoidable like a cold.




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Re: Why?
« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2012, 11:07:29 AM »
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Because someone else has "more" ...

That's it exactly.  Envy and covetousness.

It isn't enough for some people that they have enough, and perhaps something extra; they don't weigh what they have against nothing, or against folks who have nothing; they compare and contrast with people whom they believe have "more" than they and grow resentful.

Rather than teaching the sin of and the faulty reasoning behind such resentment, people in prominent positions encourage it; the seed is planted in fertile minds and watered and nurtured at every opportunity.

Obama was at the University of North Carolina in Chapel Hill yesterday doing just that to the "skulls full of mush" regarding student loans:

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In his speech, Obama pointed the blame directly on Republicans for not doing more to help college students. He cited that the Republicans in Congress are seeking to double the interest rates on federal student loans. He urged college students to step-up, write their legislators, and demand keeping rates where they are. He even encouraged students to tweet #dontdoublemyrate in an effort to swing members of Congress and a clear effort by Obama to appeal himself to college students.

http://www.kyleehall.com/1/post/2012/04/why-obama-has-failed-unc.html
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Re: Why?
« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2012, 11:14:22 AM »
Because I wrote something I shouldn't have, I took the liberty of editing my post and its quote in Weisshaupt's.

The last thing I want is to cause trouble for anybody here because I failed to engage brain before putting mouth (fingers) in gear.

My apologies.
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Re: Why?
« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2012, 11:31:06 AM »
I think that those that want to be cared for do not think that their desires will push to the extremes shown by the above mentioned monsters.  They do not realize that those extremes are the natural course for socialism/communism/marxism.  They won't acknowledge that that is what is going to happen.  They are blind to the facts of the matter and no matter how hard someone tries to show them the fallacy of their beliefs they will not see it, after all "this is my belief and you can not force me to believe something different". 

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Re: Why?
« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2012, 11:48:24 AM »
I think that those that want to be cared for do not think that their desires will push to the extremes shown by the above mentioned monsters.  They do not realize that those extremes are the natural course for socialism/communism/marxism.  They won't acknowledge that that is what is going to happen.  They are blind to the facts of the matter and no matter how hard someone tries to show them the fallacy of their beliefs they will not see it, after all "this is my belief and you can not force me to believe something different". 



In other words, ignorance drives a large enough portion of those who demand such things. Useful idiots. Idiots CAN be educated, even in the face of monumental odds against the success of attempts to do so. I am slightly encouraged by the awakening we've seen in the past 3 1/2 years. It has not yet manifested in government, but it is spreading on the ground.
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Re: Why?
« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2012, 12:48:29 PM »

It happened during Carter the awakening was caused by a prick, a thorn
in their side, if you will.  Blue collar workers and the like were so discomforted
they had to look up and see where it was coming from.  They voted to
eliminate the discomfort not because of some awakening or greater
understanding.


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Re: Why?
« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2012, 12:59:43 PM »

It happened during Carter the awakening was caused by a prick, a thorn
in their side, if you will.  Blue collar workers and the like were so discomforted
they had to look up and see where it was coming from.  They voted to
eliminate the discomfort not because of some awakening or greater
understanding.


That is only good for a short-term stemming of a severed artery. An awakening needs to occur, or a the enemy will win in the end.
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