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Re: Illegal: barter currency
« Reply #20 on: April 08, 2011, 03:21:12 PM »
Bartering is a HUGE - HUGE - HUGE - underground economy.


I do it as often as possible !

Most proprietors do. Business owners develop a network of 'symbiotic' local businesses with whom they do business regularly and with whom there is mutual trust. Bartering is a regular thing among them - the norm, not the exception.
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Re: Illegal: barter currency
« Reply #21 on: April 08, 2011, 03:32:48 PM »
If I told you what I traded for you wouldn't believe it.
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Re: Illegal: barter currency
« Reply #22 on: April 08, 2011, 05:49:04 PM »
He's in trouble for mimiking too closely, US money, not for bartering.  Using the term "dollar" is a no no.

You just can't go creating your own monetary system.


Even if it is probably more stable than US currency.

Especially if it is probably more stable than US currency.
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Re: Illegal: barter currency
« Reply #23 on: April 08, 2011, 10:04:50 PM »
If I told you what I traded for you wouldn't believe it.


No one around here is interested in trading.

they'd rather run up their credit cards.
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Re: Illegal: barter currency
« Reply #24 on: April 08, 2011, 10:13:11 PM »
Gunsmith recently traded an old grinder for a mess of empty brass.
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Re: Illegal: barter currency
« Reply #25 on: April 08, 2011, 10:23:18 PM »
traded an old grinder for a mess of empty brass.

Nobody around here would know what that even means.
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Re: Illegal: barter currency
« Reply #26 on: April 08, 2011, 10:24:34 PM »
There is probably not a book that teaches one to do this?  


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Re: Illegal: barter currency
« Reply #27 on: April 08, 2011, 10:27:09 PM »
traded an old grinder for a mess of empty brass.

Nobody around here would know what that even means.

"Here", everybody knows.  By you, not so much then.  I getcha, though.

Somebody I know *ahem* keeps trying to talk us into waising wabbits.  Bet I can trade for fresh eggs.
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Re: Illegal: barter currency
« Reply #28 on: April 08, 2011, 10:29:08 PM »
traded an old grinder for a mess of empty brass.

Nobody around here would know what that even means.

"Here", everybody knows.  By you, not so much then.  I getcha, though.

Somebody I know *ahem* keeps trying to talk us into waising wabbits.  Bet I can trade for fresh eggs.

 It wouls have to be a lot of eggs for one wabbit.
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Re: Illegal: barter currency
« Reply #29 on: April 08, 2011, 10:31:11 PM »
traded an old grinder for a mess of empty brass.

Nobody around here would know what that even means.

"Here", everybody knows.  By you, not so much then.  I getcha, though.

Somebody I know *ahem* keeps trying to talk us into waising wabbits.  Bet I can trade for fresh eggs.

 It wouls have to be a lot of eggs for one wabbit.

That'd be the plan.  Some these week, some next week, like that.  Barter on the installment plan.  Heheh.
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Re: Illegal: barter currency
« Reply #30 on: April 09, 2011, 03:09:42 PM »
If I told you what I traded for you wouldn't believe it.

Maybe I would ... What's her name ?

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Re: Illegal: barter currency
« Reply #31 on: April 09, 2011, 03:25:57 PM »
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Re: Illegal: barter currency
« Reply #32 on: April 09, 2011, 04:12:07 PM »
If I told you what I traded for you wouldn't believe it.

Maybe I would ... What's her name ?

 Not even close I was married by then. I had a Christian church close to my shop and used to work on the ministers car. He approached me on day with a problem. He had a churchmember that was a widow with 4 kids and didn't have sh*t for anything, The church was helping her all they could and she needed brakes on her car real bad. To the point where the car wasn't drivable and with young kids it was not a good thing.


 So he asked what I could do for her for a price(this is after I got the long sad story)So I told him I would have the car towed in and take a look at it and then I would call him.


 So I mobilized a couple of friends on had tow trucks and he didn't charge me a dime and the other was my brake part supplier who ended up donating all the parts(he's Jewish)


 So we ended up doing front brakes including hoses and calipers and pads and rotors.And the rears ended up with new drums brake cylinders and shoes and hardware kits and we put on a new master cylinder.

 I called the Minister and told him to come get the car at which point he asked how much. I told him to come get it and that I had not printed up the bill yet and I didn't know what the total was.But I would have it ready when he came in.

 Well he showed up with the woman and I went through all the part list and the and explained what we had to do and why. Then I spun the bill around the  total for everything read like this. The payment expected was to be pain in 4 equal payments in prayer for the souls of all the people involved in putting the car back together. So for the next four Sundays the church had to pray for all of us at each service.

 The woman said that she would pray for us for the rest of her life and I told her that that would be over charging.I got big hugs and they both left in tears(me too).

 My payment was the feeling this left me and my guys with.Nobody made money but what we got was worth more than all the gold on earth.
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Re: Illegal: barter currency
« Reply #33 on: April 09, 2011, 04:24:26 PM »
That's the kind of kindness that sticks with people for the rest of their lives.
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Re: Illegal: barter currency
« Reply #34 on: April 10, 2011, 04:46:51 AM »
If I told you what I traded for you wouldn't believe it.

Maybe I would ... What's her name ?

 Not even close I was married by then. I had a Christian church close to my shop and used to work on the ministers car. He approached me on day with a problem. He had a churchmember that was a widow with 4 kids and didn't have sh*t for anything, The church was helping her all they could and she needed brakes on her car real bad. To the point where the car wasn't drivable and with young kids it was not a good thing.


 So he asked what I could do for her for a price(this is after I got the long sad story)So I told him I would have the car towed in and take a look at it and then I would call him.


 So I mobilized a couple of friends on had tow trucks and he didn't charge me a dime and the other was my brake part supplier who ended up donating all the parts(he's Jewish)


 So we ended up doing front brakes including hoses and calipers and pads and rotors.And the rears ended up with new drums brake cylinders and shoes and hardware kits and we put on a new master cylinder.

 I called the Minister and told him to come get the car at which point he asked how much. I told him to come get it and that I had not printed up the bill yet and I didn't know what the total was.But I would have it ready when he came in.

 Well he showed up with the woman and I went through all the part list and the and explained what we had to do and why. Then I spun the bill around the  total for everything read like this. The payment expected was to be pain in 4 equal payments in prayer for the souls of all the people involved in putting the car back together. So for the next four Sundays the church had to pray for all of us at each service.

 The woman said that she would pray for us for the rest of her life and I told her that that would be over charging.I got big hugs and they both left in tears(me too).

 My payment was the feeling this left me and my guys with.Nobody made money but what we got was worth more than all the gold on earth.

Like I said ... What's her name ?

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Re: Illegal: barter currency
« Reply #35 on: April 10, 2011, 09:29:00 AM »
You're a good man JF... ::bows::

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Re: Illegal: barter currency
« Reply #36 on: April 10, 2011, 09:49:07 AM »
That's a great story, John.

It's also an excellent illustration of why the free market works.  Business owners who make a profit have a cushion that they can use to do work for free when necessary.  It's completely voluntary and no coercion or confiscation is needed.
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Re: Illegal: barter currency
« Reply #37 on: April 10, 2011, 10:15:25 AM »
That's a great story, John.

It's also an excellent illustration of why the free market works.  Business owners who make a profit have a cushion that they can use to do work for free when necessary.  It's completely voluntary and no coercion or confiscation is needed.

 And nobodies permission. And to be honest it paid back in spades with the rest of the church members.(added bonus)
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Re: Illegal: barter currency
« Reply #38 on: April 10, 2011, 10:29:39 AM »
That's a great story, John.

It's also an excellent illustration of why the free market works.  Business owners who make a profit have a cushion that they can use to do work for free when necessary.  It's completely voluntary and no coercion or confiscation is needed.

 And nobodies permission. And to be honest it paid back in spades with the rest of the church members.(added bonus)

That too!  You couldn't buy that kind of advertising for any amount of money.  Win-win all around.
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Re: Illegal: barter currency
« Reply #39 on: April 11, 2011, 07:00:50 AM »
Ahh, I knew you were a big softy JF!   ;)

Good job big guy!   ::thumbsup::
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