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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #220 on: December 18, 2014, 11:42:39 PM »
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #221 on: December 19, 2014, 07:29:55 AM »
I corrected all my spelling errors in the original, I just unloaded that like a sinner at confession, I didn't want to interrupt the flow.  I guess I did OK if folks liked it.  I place no reservation on the use of anything I post, if it benefits just one persons understanding that's good enough for me.

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #222 on: December 19, 2014, 08:07:38 PM »
The Carter years were the culmination of the first great decline of the America-the-way-it-used-to-be.  For many (including in my parents day) the highwater mark was the Eisenhower Administration, at that point American had never been more powerful.  Then with the youthful energetic JFK people thought (as did my parents) that a new era was beginning, that a new generation born out of depression and war and emerged victorious over both was about to usher in a new age of greatness, prosperity and enlightenment...

It was of course all a complete sham.  JFK won largely with Daddy's help, the dead voting in Chicago and JFK himself cheating (by taking notes) in the televised debate with Nixon that people listening thought Nixon won hands down but whom the TV age boobs gave JFK the win.  This marked the advent of a false prophet, and ideal that could not be met, a flawed leader who had the morals of a feral rabbit and relied upon family for advice over all others, a novice who was ill-prepared to met the Soviet menace and barely he (and we) survived it, and then he was unfairly struck down in the prime of life (another myth) and people began to be jaded about power and those in and around it.

Mid-JFK the Soviets scared the pants of us by launching the first satellite into space before our captured Nazi scientists managed to launch anything.  The era of duck-and-cover became more real and the proxy wars hotter.  And those latter were micromanged like nothing before and failure was already baked in and became just another item on the buffet of failure.  Then that complete fustercluck Johnson, tough-talking commie-killer by day and lunatic socialist welfare state expander extraordinaire by night.  Still, the American post-war economy hummed, we were still #1, despite being ruled by idiots and despite increasing societal rot (stinking hippies and proto-FemiNazis and eco-tards) and despite structural weakness in our economy and industry that would be exploited by Asia and other emerging economies.

Nixon brought a new pragmatism that had all Country Club proto-Ruling Class Pubbies giddy with possibilities, and his electoral thrashing of McGovern seemed to cement this power block into place...until Deep Throat and a ravenous press that had begun to swing wildly left got wind of a minor office break-in and that toppled a President for the first time in history based solely on his own character flaws.

The oil crisis, inflation, a nothing leader like Ford, malaise had fertile ground in 1976, and Carter ran as the not-Nixon/not-Ford candidate and America got a middle manager as POTUS who was a neophyte on foreign policy (and it showed, nothing higher than the abysmal Iranian Hostage affair and the disastrous rescue op) and a neophyte on economic issues (and it showed by a worsening economy, stagflation, unemployment, industry absolutely hammered by foreign competition who had no high labor union wages or burdensome government regulations or taxation) and malaise took on new meaning and Carter's face was the poster boy for it.  I was in the Navy at this time, morale was in the sh*tter, nobody felt optimistic about anything.  The Left did a great job advancing this, people being leveled into the same unhappy state should have been their Nirvana moment, but Carter was the Wong guy to exploit it. 

As a result Reagan swept in with simple clarity - government is the problem, government is too big, government takes and consumes too much, people need to be allowed to unleash their potential free of interference, etc.  He was the Anti-Carter, the Anti-Uncle Handout, and he kicked electoral ass, twice.  Nobody has approached his election numbers since. 

And the Democrats became harder left, harder socialists and the Pubbies returned to Ruling Class hands and its been back down the drain ever since.

Carter redefined malaise...now Obama is redefining the drain and breeds hatred and apathy like nothing ever before seen.


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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #223 on: December 30, 2014, 06:35:38 AM »
Former KGB thug turned Russian political thug sure has been successful in shutting down opposition politicians and media, got that whole "hate America" thing recycled and in widespread use!

This is more than just sanctions, this is a classic Rooskie temper tantrum.  Usually the only time you see hate like this ginned up is as a prelude to war.

And Obama is anything but a hard target.  This shyt would have been laughed at and ridiculed by Ronaldus Magnus!

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #225 on: January 15, 2015, 07:11:16 AM »
A shot accross the EU bow...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-14/russia-cuts-ukraine-gas-supply-6-european-countries

...but will Czar Vlad carry through with the bluff if called and kick everyone in the groin?

This should be an EU affair only, but, too late, and O'Bongo will only eff things up worse.  This could get ugly.

And in more retaliation...Rooskie Oligarchs dumping pricey holding in America...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-14/russian-buyer-thing-past-oligarchs-rush-sell-us-real-estate

...which I am completely indifferent to...their Oligarch, our Oligarchs...who wins or loses the result is the same for all of us...
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #226 on: January 16, 2015, 08:03:06 AM »
Ukraine is calling, pot stakes are rising.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-15/ukraine-president-signs-mobilization-decree-50000-be-drafted

A not unexpected response to the Russian's cutting gas to the Southeastern EU states.

Vlad's move.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #227 on: February 09, 2015, 07:26:55 AM »
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/leaders-scramble-avert-dramatic-spiral-ukraine-143455277--sector.html

Pathetic.

Merkel and Hollande go to Minsk and get zip, and why would they?  The EU looks weak, they are unwilling to support Ukraine with real arms and munitions, Obama is keeping arms and munitions out of it and is otherwise paralyzed to do anything...all Putin has to do is wait and watch...and meanwhile more die so Russia can steal more territory.  This is like Pre-WWII all over again, this time Putin has the Hitler role and Merkel has the Chamberlain role...and then there is Stmie who has no role because never has the US been led by one who loathes America as much as her enemies...

Embrace the horror...it will only increase...
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #228 on: February 11, 2015, 07:39:01 AM »
So much of this report is so much PaulBotish balderdash, there is no way Putin stops supporting Syria, if for no other reason it pisses the West off and supports their arms exports.  And there is no way the threat to share sensitive tech with their Chi-Com buddies that would imperial US Naval forces in the Asiatic theater is close to genuine - they have already shared with them or have nothing to share with them they don't already have (since they've had the keys to the US patent office at least as far back as the Clinton Administration!) so that tidbit is pure BS!  The one thing I could buy the Rooskies doing is egging on their Iranian pals to stir sh*t up in the Gulf as a means to drive oil prices back up so they can give their hookers and distillers a break!
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #229 on: February 11, 2015, 12:31:57 PM »
http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htproc/articles/20150209.aspx

Good for Poland.  They remember what being under the Russian boot feels like.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #230 on: February 11, 2015, 12:38:45 PM »
Keep flapping your yap, the more you do the more likely it is you'll get what you moan for!

Seriously?  This from the mongrels who sell weapons and munitions to every scumbag terrorist, dictator, commissar and mufti on the fricken planet?

Bugger off, mongrels!   ::doublebird::
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #231 on: February 12, 2015, 06:55:48 AM »
The new Minsk cease fire agreement on its face looks extremely Russia-friendly, so it is almost certain to fall apart...at least if I were Ukraine I'd feel a bit molested by both Russians and Euro's.

But this temporary aparent victory is no solace for a Russia that is still very fragile in ego, one thing stays the same...they whine and piss and moan about every bloody nauseating little thing real and especially imagined...

What a bunch of petty bullies and petulant little crybabies!

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #232 on: February 18, 2015, 08:20:30 AM »
Gosh, what a shock.  I've never seen an enemy use a truce to surround, attack and consolidate more territory before!

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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-18/hundreds-ukraine-troops-surrender-besieged-town-debaltseve-falls-rebels

It's almost, like, this was all planned...

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #233 on: February 25, 2015, 08:18:37 AM »
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-25/ukraine-enters-hyperinflation-currency-trading-halted-soon-we-will-wwalk-around-suit

This is probably when the West looks to find the nearest exit...probably a key component in the Russian design for conquest most people forgot about...
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #234 on: March 01, 2015, 12:02:22 PM »
  When the Ukraine decides that they are willing to die en masse the world will do nothing to help. You have to have  a slauter of Biblical proportions to shame the SOB IN CHIEF to do something and he will only do it if the dems force him because they have to run and win.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #235 on: March 02, 2015, 07:07:52 AM »
This should be another EU led show, but Obama is no Clinton (snort!) and Ukraine is no Kosovo and the MFM doesn't care and the EU is impotent...so yes, the Ukrainian people are totally porked.  Then the question is "Who next gets eaten by Russia"?
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #236 on: March 11, 2015, 12:01:28 PM »
ZH had an article out earlier pooh-poohing EU statements about Russia building up more forces in the Ukraine area in favor of slamming the West for providing tanks to Ukraine...and article not mentioning beyond that, since it appears the Russians have been and continuing to build up in the region as well as turning up the heat on the West all over the globe, so...

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #237 on: March 16, 2015, 08:23:21 AM »
We can laugh and joke about General Scales being the fictional General Jack D Ripper, but his comments taken in context are completely true...

Just a few short days after former US Army General Robert Scales explained to FOX News that Ukraine is lost, and acknowledged that an ongoing deployment of American troops to Eastern Europe is unlikely to change the situation, and "the only way [The US] can turn the tide is start killing Russians... killing so many Russians that even Putin’s media can’t hide the fact that Russians are returning to their motherland in body bags,” he has come out defending his statement as the Russian Investigative Committee has opened a criminal probe into his statements. “I’m not concerned at all, I just kind of wish I could take a vacation in Russia but I can guarantee, that’s not going to happen," Scales said, shrugging off Russian 'propaganda' as "a Russian form of war."

It’s the Russia version of the First Amendment – five years in prison if you say something that makes [Russian President] Vladimir Putin angry,” Scales told Fox News.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-15/ex-us-general-defends-his-sanctions-dont-work-start-killing-russians-comment

It's all truthful as far as I can tell...like any conflict killing the enemy is a central goal of warfare...duh!  And I think the situation there is probably lost...the Euro's should be taken the load and they aren't, they should be aggresively arming and assisting the Ukrainians and they aren't...so it looks like time is only on the Russian side...and the precedent set here should cause any nation bordering Russia to consider other alternatives than help from the Euro's or America...

It seems might makes right after all, eh?  Stupid Euro's...how many times they need to be slaughtered before they learn that lesson?

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #238 on: March 23, 2015, 07:40:49 AM »
Vlad the Nation-Inhaler takes aim at Denmark...

Russia threatened to aim nuclear missiles at Danish warships if Denmark joins NATO's missile defense system

Yup, not since the bad old days of the late Soviet "Evil Empire" has such rhetoric been unleashed...and not since then have nations been openly crushed and territory seized.

Russia isn't completely to blame though...I mean one can only go so far in blaming a mindless beast for being a mindless beast...it is those routinely preyed upon by mindless beasts throughout history that should have known better and took it upon themselves to look to their own safety first instead of whoring themselves out to a sugar daddy far away...
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #239 on: March 25, 2015, 07:13:15 AM »
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-24/us-house-votes-348-48-arm-ukraine-russia-warns-lethal-aid-will-explode-whole-situati

US House votes 348-48 to provide lethal aid to Ukraine...as usual the PaulBot-dominated clowns at ZH dutifully don their pro-Putin chapeau's and toss their old non-interventionist hats into the trash can...

It's so easy being a gutless weasel who can flip-flop with the best of them...makes your average PaulBot no different than a DemoProg!

Sure wish those ZH clowns would be idelogically consistent...oh well, nobody's perfect, eh?
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