It's About Liberty: A Conservative Forum
Topics => 2nd Amendment/Firearms => Topic started by: Glock32 on December 08, 2012, 07:54:41 PM
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Another potential extra-legislative maneuver is the regime reclassifying semi-automatic firearms as Title II weapons under the National Firearms Act on the basis that they are "readily convertible to fully automatic". This of course is false, as the semi-auto derivatives of true assault weapons are specifically manufactured so that they aren't easily convertible merely by using parts from their full auto cousins. For example, the semi-auto derivatives of AK pattern rifles lack the proper cuts and openings on their receivers to accept a full auto fire control group. But truth and reality have nothing to do with this.
Don't know how serious this possibility is, but with this regime nothing is ridiculous or laughable anymore.
http://moonbattery.com/?p=22113 (http://moonbattery.com/?p=22113)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv15rMVN9ds
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3 words - Bring it bozo
::rockets::
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Molon labe.
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FMCDH - BITS.
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Get Some!
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I went to a gun show today and in two days there have been 8 thousand people there buying guns and ammo like it's going out of style.
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I went to a gun show today and in two days there have been 8 thousand people there buying guns and ammo like it's going out of style.
I went to one yesterday morning. It's probably the same way. What was odd was the prices at the gun show were higher than Academy or online. People think "gun show" is synonymous with deals and that's not happening.
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I went to a gun show today and in two days there have been 8 thousand people there buying guns and ammo like it's going out of style.
I went to one yesterday morning. It's probably the same way. What was odd was the prices at the gun show were higher than Academy or online. People think "gun show" is synonymous with deals and that's not happening.
I quit going for exactly that reason (and well, I already had one of everything ;-)
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I've noticed the same since at least the late 90s. I quit going because the minor deals I found on stuff like bulk ammo usually didn't make up for the cost of admission and parking. The shows are still good simply for all the stock and variety under one roof, but as far as deals go you can usually do better in a local shop or online.
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I like going now and then if for no other reason than to get out of the house and browse what is available. I buy 95% of my stuff online or at shops.
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During the non-snow months we have gun shows every month here. During the summer they are sometimes even two weeks apart (different sponsors, of course). For nine bucks admission and free parking I can wander around all weekend. Somehow I never get tired of them. Although I usually leave with just ammo and targets.
It finally occurred to me that even if I could save $20 on a gun at the show, wouldn't I rather pay that money to my local gun shop to help keep them in business? Small businesses that hire quality folks in my neighborhood deserve my support so I figure it's worth a few extra bucks to shop there.
Of course I'd go broke buying ammo at the gun shop full time. Definitely tourist prices.
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I went to a gun show today and in two days there have been 8 thousand people there buying guns and ammo like it's going out of style.
I went to one yesterday morning. It's probably the same way. What was odd was the prices at the gun show were higher than Academy or online. People think "gun show" is synonymous with deals and that's not happening.
You have to know what the hell you're doing or you get skinned. There was a .22 Remington Nylon there that was was priced at 300.bucks which I thought was insane.
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I went to a gun show today and in two days there have been 8 thousand people there buying guns and ammo like it's going out of style.
I went to one yesterday morning. It's probably the same way. What was odd was the prices at the gun show were higher than Academy or online. People think "gun show" is synonymous with deals and that's not happening.
You have to know what the hell you're doing or you get skinned. There was a .22 Remington Nylon there that was was priced at 300.bucks which I thought was insane.
That's the going price for a good Nylon 66 now days. I sold one about a year ago. Now I have no more guns. ::angel::
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I went to a gun show today and in two days there have been 8 thousand people there buying guns and ammo like it's going out of style.
I went to one yesterday morning. It's probably the same way. What was odd was the prices at the gun show were higher than Academy or online. People think "gun show" is synonymous with deals and that's not happening.
You have to know what the hell you're doing or you get skinned. There was a .22 Remington Nylon there that was was priced at 300.bucks which I thought was insane.
That's the going price for a good Nylon 66 now days. I sold one about a year ago. Now I have no more guns. ::angel::
If that's what they bring that's what they bring but I would buy a new 20/22 for less money.I Have a Remington 552 with a 4x20 scope in perfect condition and that's probably not worth 300.
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I saw a 10/22 breakdown model for $279. I think it was Cabela's. I might have to go buy one.
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It amazes me how many people dont know the difference between auto an semi-auto, and think that because an assault style rifle looks like an automatic rifle, it is one. Hell... Just becauae John Boehner looks like a dbag doesnt mean he is one. He is, but thats beside the point!
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It amazes me how many people dont know the difference between auto an semi-auto, and think that because an assault style rifle looks like an automatic rifle, it is one. Hell... Just becauae John Boehner looks like a dbag doesnt mean he is one. He is, but thats beside the point!
Heh.
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Vomit worthy -
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-12-19/obama-and-biden-address-gun-control-live-webcast (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-12-19/obama-and-biden-address-gun-control-live-webcast)
When these people ban guns in government hands before coming after us perhaps then they'd have a modicum of credibility.
They have none, so they get no respect, they earn only my righteous wrath.
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What concerns me the most is that they've got their burning of the Reichstag moment. I still feel a sense of shame, as though I'm being disrespectful of the murder of those little kids by linking it to the greater Culture War, but well, that's exactly what the Left is trying to make of it, a burning of the Reichstag.
Now we all have the uphill slog of defending the inalienable right of self-defense under the constant accusation that we are culpable for what happened there, that our continued defense of the 2nd Amendment makes us apologists for mass killers somehow.
If cooler heads begin to prevail over the next few weeks, I swear I will not be surprised if another "event" occurs. I'm pretty damn tinfoil hattish as it is, considering we already have proof that this regime orchestrated the murder of hundreds of Mexicans and at least one US Border Patrol agent. I put nothing at all past them.
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Yeah I have to say I am there too, I put nothing past them, and wouldn't be surprised to see another patsy go off and leave a sanitized trail that leaves the statists and their stooges in the MFM to create the narrative to further advance their War on Liberty.
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This incident and the lefty reaction is almost exactly the same as what happened in Canada.. our incident was the murder of 14 women at a college in Montreal, which was the fuel for the Canadian gun control scheme. The legislation became a monstrosity, which among other things, created the Long Gun Registry, which was recently repealed. An unintended consequence was that it created the greatest example of civil disobedience in Canadian history, where, formerly law abiding citizens refused to follow the dictates of the government, it is estimated that less than 30% of the firearms in Canada were ever registered, and people started deliberately messing with the system, among other things, they registered glue guns, staple guns, soldering irons, plastic toys, and one enterprising gentleman, registered his hog. The end result was the total destruction of 1 political party, and the almost destruction of another. This was from, polite, law abiding Canada. The one thing, we found was that much of the legislation was in fact, unconstitutional, and was illegal under our charter (Bill of Rights). Second our provinces challenged the legislation and in most cases, refused to apply the legislation.. In the end, I think you'll find that your greatest strength against this type of legislation is at the state level.. I simply can't see, Texas, or North Dakota, enforcing any stupid legislation.. keep your powder dry guys..
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That's a good point Robin. Not only Texas or North Dakota - hell, I can't even see Minnesota making any concerted effort to come for people's guns based on a regulatory or executive diktat. Even though it is overrun by hardcore Leftists, the DFL (MN Democrat party) knows that such an action would surely have massive electoral consequences.
MN's "gun-culture" (to reluctantly use the Left's characterizing term) is firmly established. Our open-carry firearm law was hard-fought, is widely exercised, and none of the blood-in-the-streets predictions of the Left have come to pass, and violent crime has gone down, just as it always does.
I'm beginning to think that this bluster we're hearing from the Left is driven by opportunism and their irresistible desire to demagogue every crisis, but that reality will not permit federal legislative action that will get them anything they want. If there is any threat, it is by Obama's penchant for ruling by diktat, and I don't think states will obey. Not even Minnesota. With all the bluster, they think they're seizing the moment, when the reality is that they're overreaching like they always, always do.
I'm betting on the NRA injecting a double-down dose of reality tomorrow at LaPierre's press conference that'll remind many Democrat and some Republican legislators why they're anxious for the hype surrounding this tragedy to fade away. Hope I'm not wrong.
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Iron, I also think it needs to be pointed out, that in the last 30 years, Canada has had the most stringent gun control laws in North America., The ground zero, for these laws, is the very left wing, Province of Quebec, point of fact, they are taking the federal government to court to retain the Long Gun Registry.. Interestingly, there is only 1 city in North America that has had, 3 school massacres in the last 25 years.. Montreal, after those laws were passed. Another interesting fact is, they just released a guy, who was known to be an abuser, who stabbed his two children to death with almost 50 strokes , when he had served two (2) years of sentence..
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For all of my frustration at what I honestly believed was the inflammatory labeling of semi-autos as "assault weapons", it turns out the classification is, indeed, correct, thanks to Congress:
The fabled assault weapon ban (http://pjmedia.com/blog/assault-weapons-ban/?singlepage=true)
"Few laws ever passed have been as idolized — and misunderstood — as Title XI of the Federal Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, Subtitle A (the Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act).
To listen to the Obama administration, the media, or the nominated head of the ATF spin it, the ban made it illegal to purchase machine guns, and outlawed the ownership or use of high-capacity magazines, saving billions, perhaps trillions, of lives.
That mischaracterization is as wrong as it is laughable. The law had nothing to do with machine guns and real military-issue assault rifles, and did nothing to measurably impact violent crime.
The purpose of the law was to ban the sale and importation of certain semi-automatic (one bullet fired per trigger pull) firearms by name, and a wider group of firearms that had an arbitrarily selected list of largely cosmetic features. These features did not affect the rate of fire, accuracy, or range of the firearms impacted. Firearms were determined to be “assault weapons” – a term that was created by the law itself – if it had two or more of the following features:"
The rest at the link.
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Thanks for the reminder Pan.
::gaah::
I hatez these Nazis!
::angry::
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Oh, and I'd pay good money to kick the crap out of this foreign asshat!
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/12/cnns-piers-morgan-continues-anti-gun-jihad-tells-pro-gun-advocate-you-shame-your-country/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/12/cnns-piers-morgan-continues-anti-gun-jihad-tells-pro-gun-advocate-you-shame-your-country/)
GET THE HELL OUT OF MY COUNTRY!
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Oh, and I'd pay good money to kick the crap out of this foreign asshat!
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/12/cnns-piers-morgan-continues-anti-gun-jihad-tells-pro-gun-advocate-you-shame-your-country/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/12/cnns-piers-morgan-continues-anti-gun-jihad-tells-pro-gun-advocate-you-shame-your-country/)
GET THE HELL OUT OF MY COUNTRY!
Notice how Piers, never mentions that gun crimes increased by 100% in his home country after they banned them, in some areas up to 5x increase.
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Larry Pratt is my hero!
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Oh, and I'd pay good money to kick the crap out of this foreign asshat!
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/12/cnns-piers-morgan-continues-anti-gun-jihad-tells-pro-gun-advocate-you-shame-your-country/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/12/cnns-piers-morgan-continues-anti-gun-jihad-tells-pro-gun-advocate-you-shame-your-country/)
GET THE HELL OUT OF MY COUNTRY!
Notice how Piers, never mentions that gun crimes increased by 100% in his home country after they banned them, in some areas up to 5x increase.
Yeah, that would be bad form to talk about that, would be fun to see it beat over his head until he passes out though....
People need to viciously and rabidly attack the idiotic positions and statements of these clowns and shout them down, so what if they cut your mic and turn the camera away, if everybody did that they'd have nobody to talk to and their studios would turn into boring echo-chambers...just ask Cwissy Maffews...
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from ricochet.com
(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x331/LadyVirginiaUSA/weapon_zps2854b6a0.png)
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from ricochet.com
(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x331/LadyVirginiaUSA/weapon_zps2854b6a0.png)
::clapping::
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from ricochet.com
(http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x331/LadyVirginiaUSA/weapon_zps2854b6a0.png)
I hope you don't mind if I steal that.
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Agreed, gotta stash that one!
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Why do you need an AR? Why do you need 30 Round Mags?
Why did Rosa Parks NEED to sit in the front of that bus
Our basic civil rights pre-date the constitution and are not dependent on what anyone, majority or vocal minority, deems a necessity.
By this standard, no one needs to be, say, a Wiccan when we have all these other religions to choose from, so the religion should be banned.
No one needs to burn a flag or display an image of crucifix in a jar of urine, so these should be banned.
You can still eat lunch at a segregated lunch counter. You can still drink water from a segregated water fountain. You can still learn at a segregated school. No problem with these - unban them.
And on, and on, and on.
So, no, I don't "need" my AR-15 or my 30-round mags. But that is irrelevant to whether the government can tell me I can't have them. (http://ace.mu.nu/archives/336664.php)