It's About Liberty: A Conservative Forum
Topics => General Board => Topic started by: sfetter on July 16, 2014, 07:55:50 AM
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Like many I get most of my new from Fox or the Blaze. I know some of you like those outlets and some don’t. That is not what this is about. I started some years a go watching Glenn Beck long before he moved to Texas and started his own network. I also realize some of you may not like him as well, but hear me out.
Beck has been right about many things over the years and he has been good at connecting the dots to show the average person how and why the evil in this country is doing what it is. Like him or not, I respected him because he used to take a position that we have to stand together against this tyranny.
I say used to - Recently he has been on several of the Fox shows as a guest. The change in him has been dramatic. So much so, that it is almost sickening to listen to him. Now all he wants to say is that anything this president or administration says has no meaning to him, and that we all need to sit down and stop the demonizing and communicate with each other to come up with solutions. Really ???????????????????
We all know you can’t talk to these people. You can’t reason with evil. My point in all of this is his dramatic change in retoric. I believe they must have gotten to him somehow, maybe threatened his family. Just more evidence of how complete this take over is. Here we are a year and a half away from electing a new president, (not that any election can change that much in a short period of time) and we have no constitutional conservative anywhere in this country stepping forward as a national leader.
In light of recent events and scandals, words cannot express.
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Yeah, ever since the demonizing of Bundy began Beck lost me for good...his old show on Fox was good at educating people on the roots of the progressive movement, their leaders, their aims...the associations and dangers of todays progs...I don't know if someone got to Glenn or if he is back on the juice or has had some LDS Smith-vision experience where he sees himself as the white MLK or what...I don't really care, bottom line - his weepy, preaching, hand-holding Kum-Bay-Ya elitist your-not-good-enough-to-associate-with-me schtick can be stuffed up his arse with a twist!
There is a real war coming soon and you are with evil or you are with Liberty, and just as our Founders experienced not everybody on Liberty's side is going to be pure as the driven snow and your best pal in life, but if they believe in Liberty and are willing to put it all on the line to defended it for themselves and all of us, then yes, I stand with them! Anything caught in the middle is going to get trampled.
Beck should know better, he chooses not to. He's made his choice, he'll have to live with the results.
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Yes, Beck has done some yeoman's work educating and dot-connecting, however, he's become a damn drama queen who is always thoroughly devoted to his "cause" of the moment.
I get that "this president or administration has no meaning to him" because he's run into the brick wall of having almost zero influence over events and he's turned to God instead, not a bad thing. I've heard him acknowledge Evil -- and maybe that's one of the reasons for the pivot -- but, as you say, Evil cannot be reasoned with and if Beck thinks communication will result in a Casting Out, he's deluded. His latest mission, bringing soccer balls and teddy bears to the border invaders -- nuts, in my opinion. It's the equivalent of him bowing his neck to the jihadis instead of fighting on his feet. Beck is of the opinion that we should not fight each other -- also nuts -- because the ones we must fight want to kill us, TWANLOC included.
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The American people ARE a compassionate people. We give. We care. And the absolute worst thing that can happen politically is allowing the mistaken view that we do not care. To win politically one must never allow this impression to be falsely foisted off on the American voter.
It is our caring that has gotten us into so much trouble. We passed SS, because we care. We passed Medicare, because we care. We spend more on education than any other nation on earth, because we care. But, truly thinking people must learn to care effectively. And it is effective to show that we are capable of caring for these people without government taking our resources first, taking 60-90% of them to support the government, and dribbling out a little to those in need, while keeping them in perpetual servitude.
Conservatives can and must win first the hearts and minds of voters, and we can do it by doing what we know is right. Render TRUE aid and compassion. Do not allow the governmental cruelty of perpetual enslavement of these people, rather feed them, treat them, love them, then help them get back home to their parents.
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I think "they got to him" - I too have noticed a change. For whatever reason he has tried to take a leading role in absorbing the conservative anger out there.. making sure it is not directed anywhere useful. There is no question in my mind he is now playing for the other team - trying to keep middle America calm and looking for political solutions when we know that avenue is blocked and impassable.
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Conservatives can and must win first the hearts and minds of voters, and we can do it by doing what we know is right. Render TRUE aid and compassion. Do not allow the governmental cruelty of perpetual enslavement of these people, rather feed them, treat them, love them, then help them get back home to their parents.
We are also encumbered by our own enslavement - we are not free to help these children, because our resources are stolen, our voices gagged and our freedom's limited. Put your own oxygen mask on before trying to attempt to help others. And I must say, where are these kids parents? I would never have sent a son or daughter on ahead - its all bad human stock, and I m not going to worry over much about it. My compassion is limited to the very few people left on this planet who deserve it. The rest are animals and vermin - and fall in the same category as the sparrows. God will help them them if he has a mind to. My heart is cold and hardened.
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I think "they got to him" - I too have noticed a change. For whatever reason he has tried to take a leading role in absorbing the conservative anger out there.. making sure it is not directed anywhere useful. There is no question in my mind he is now playing for the other team - trying to keep middle America calm and looking for political solutions when we know that avenue is blocked and impassable.
I think you are exactly right. Unfortunately, I see the entire country going the way of Beck. You will have to convince me that there is enough courage left in this country to ever take it back. I hope I am wrong.
PS - with all of Beck's money, his influence, and enough power to build his own TV station from scratch, he has had the potential to do great good for this country and it's people. It would be very interesting to know the real story of how they got to him. He of all people would be in a much better position to resist than most of us.
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Add me to the numbers. I began noticing the difference and have dropped listening. He was a good 'teacher' for awhile, but to me Beck lost direction and focus, just becoming another talking head. Everyones ideas for the reason may or may not be valid, don't know.
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On another forum, a lot of them call him a "Judas goat"
I don't know if it's that or he became too full of himself.
He's always defusing and leading away from ways to deal with things.
I have mixed feelings on his take on helping those illegal immigrant children.
But, after they get fed, medical care and a soccer ball they need to go back home
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I think you are exactly right. Unfortunately, I see the entire country going the way of Beck. You will have to convince me that there is enough courage left in this country to ever take it back. I hope I am wrong.
Maybe there is enough courage, maybe there isn't.
All I can suggest is going back and reading about the insufferable acts before the revolution. The Harbor was blockaded. Soldiers were quartered in people's homes. Martial Law was in effect. It wasn't till they British marched upon Concord to take the Militia's arsenal that the fighting started, and that, in part, was because the minutemen who met the British at the Old North Bridge believed the smoke they saw in Concord was the TOWN BURNING. I took YEARS of misbehavior before that first real shot of resistance was fired, and only 3% of the population fought, 10% aided, and 90% stood there like the dumb sheep most of the human race is and waited to see who would be victorious and issue the them their next dictate about how to live and what to value.
History is made by interested minorities. The only real question is your own courage - will you shoot when they come for your gun? Will you die rather than be made a slave? Can you take at least ONE of the enemy with you when you do? As long as 1% of the population is willing and able to do that - then there is courage enough to defeat the evil.
And then it will be time to turn our attention to the sheep. It is time for a culling of that herd. Poverty and Starvation will hopefully do much of the work for us, but the Culture the sheep have adopted must be changed and restored to one that values liberty and expect self-reliance. There can be no rebuilding of our nation with the stock such as it is - just as Obama and his ilk cannot build a proper socialist hell hole without getting rid of us.
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I have mixed feelings on his take on helping those illegal immigrant children.
But, after they get fed, medical care and a soccer ball they need to go back home
I am a bit worried that the government plans to use this wave of immigrant children as a way of obtaining a whole generation that can be molded and raised by the state - as the replacement for the people here now. And we know a leftist, once made, cannot be unmade by events , logic or reason. This is a war, and these are the enemies recruits, young as they are.
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Not trying to hijack my own thread, but in reading the responses, the idea comes to mind. What if, all of these scandals are all being exposed to the public all at the same time on purpose. End result, to overwhelm the media and society with so much that is bad, that people become numb to it and therefore no longer pay any attention to it. Once that happens, and it seems to be, they can do what ever, and no one pays any attention.
Everything they do is for a reason.
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As people realize that political solutions are no longer available, people are bound to react differently.
I think this is Beck just coming to grips with the reality that political solutions are no longer viable. His reaction is to "love one another as I have loved you," and let the chips fall where they may.
I can't say I'm far off from that, except that I've got too much ammo stored to let it all go to waste. I'm more in the watching and waiting for a sign camp.
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Weisshaupt, you are absolutely correct. Were looking at the drafting of Obamas security force
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On another forum, a lot of them call him a "Judas goat"
I don't know if it's that or he became too full of himself.
He's always defusing and leading away from ways to deal with things.
I have mixed feelings on his take on helping those illegal immigrant children.
But, after they get fed, medical care and a soccer ball they need to go back home
Period!
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Not trying to hijack my own thread, but in reading the responses, the idea comes to mind. What if, all of these scandals are all being exposed to the public all at the same time on purpose. End result, to overwhelm the media and society with so much that is bad, that people become numb to it and therefore no longer pay any attention to it. Once that happens, and it seems to be, they can do what ever, and no one pays any attention.
Everything they do is for a reason.
Don't worry, post away.
As to not paying attention, that has been going on a while now...and they are doing whatever they want, now! They mock the weakling Boehner for wanting to challenge in the courts just one little element of lawlessness...the Left gives no ground and allows no quarter, no compassion and no sympathy for their enemies, and unless some of missed it, their enemies are ALL OF US! Anybody who loves Liberty and the principles of our Founding are merely traitors awaiting state action to the Dem's & Prog's!
Time we treated them as enemies, and if weakling punks like Boehner and the rest of the Pubbies cannot lead like freedom-loving patriots, then they too will be trampled into the dirt by the next angry mob, as our Founders were labelled!!!
My powder is dry and will not be wasted.
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I got pretty tired of Beck on Fox rather quickly, yes he educated but never provided a solution. He would make grand statements about "hear what you can do after the break" but never produced a single solution. I lost interest in him before he left Fox.
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Not trying to hijack my own thread, but in reading the responses, the idea comes to mind. What if, all of these scandals are all being exposed to the public all at the same time on purpose.
Scandal Fatigue is certainly part of thier strategy, as a new outrage of the day is rolled out to cover the old one - but longer term, its a kick the can tactic.. none of these things goes away, nd like the dollar, they pile up.
At some point people have to conclude where there is smoke there is fire, and then they get to the realization that this fire can't be put out thtough political action, and they plan accordingly. There is nothing now to be done besdies prepare for the worst. The individual acts against us are duly noted, but we are all now just waiting for the day we see the humvee driving through our neighborhood and the SWAT team headed to our doors - because there is nothing else we can do without giving this POS the excuse he needs to declare martial law.
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Glenn Beck to the parents of the illegal alien avalanche:
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"“I believe that the Lord God almighty gave us our children personally, and it is our job to care for and nurture them, to love them, to experience the joy of seeing them grow,” Beck said. “You are not giving them a better life if you are not part of it, no matter where they are.”
Beck said that this Saturday, he will do all he can to care for the children who are here. But he will also comfort them by telling them they’ll be going home soon.
“If they are thirsty, we will give them something to drink,” Beck began. “If they are hungry, we will give them something to eat. … But I want you to know the words that I will use to comfort them [are] the words that I think every child wants to hear: ‘Don’t worry. Soon, you’ll be back home, and you will be with mom and dad.’”
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Conservatives can and must win first the hearts and minds of voters, and we can do it by doing what we know is right. Render TRUE aid and compassion. Do not allow the governmental cruelty of perpetual enslavement of these people, rather feed them, treat them, love them, then help them get back home to their parents.
We are also encumbered by our own enslavement - we are not free to help these children, because our resources are stolen, our voices gagged and our freedom's limited. Put your own oxygen mask on before trying to attempt to help others. And I must say, where are these kids parents? I would never have sent a son or daughter on ahead - its all bad human stock, and I m not going to worry over much about it. My compassion is limited to the very few people left on this planet who deserve it. The rest are animals and vermin - and fall in the same category as the sparrows. God will help them them if he has a mind to. My heart is cold and hardened.
Many of those "kids" have parents here illegally and since the halfrican has hinted of general amnesty, they stampeded to the gates and through. I know some of this is true because I talk to those that are here illegally. Damn shame, if we could only get the progtards to voluntarily leave at a ratio pf 5 'tards for every migrant border jumper I think I could accept that.
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Beck has plenty of money now so nothing will affect him so basically no stake in what the rest of us poor saps will toil through. Beck gave us plenty of info but the beginning for me was Discover the Networks over at FPN, David Horowitz's group.
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I went searching for quotes from the Founding Fathers to bolster an argument I was making (at another site). I couldn't find much. But in the course of my search I found this:
"You cannot simultaneously have free immigration and a welfare state." - Milton Friedman
Offered up on its own I saw it as thoughtful and timely. But I'm cautious and more than a little cynical. I poked around more and - wouldn't you know it - the isolated quote wasn't what Freidman had in mind, at all. He goes on:
"Immigration is a particularly difficult subject. There is no doubt that free and open immigration is the right policy in a libertarian state, but in a welfare state it is a different story: the supply of immigrants will become infinite." - Milton Freidman
What?! "free and open immigration is the right policy"?! Well, at least you got the supply part of the equation right. One begets the other Milt! I looked further until I found the quote(s) more in context. Don't worry - it gets worse.
"That’s an interesting paradox to think about. Make it legal and it’s no good. Why? Because as long as it’s illegal the people who come in do not qualify for welfare, they don’t qualify for social security, they don’t qualify for the other myriad of benefits that we pour out from our left pocket to our right pocket. So long as they don’t qualify they migrate to jobs. They take jobs that most residents of this country are unwilling to take. They provide employers with the kind of workers that they cannot get. They’re hard workers, they’re good workers, and they are clearly better off."
Got that? Illegal immigration is good. Good for the illegals, good for business, good for America. He's fooling himself and cheating us if he truly believed that there would be restrictions to illegals heartily availing themselves of our welfare system or find a government teat and clamp on tight. This is the same guy who got credit for the recycled: There's no such thing as free lunch" and "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand."
I don't have a perfect internal gyroscope but I will submit that it's pretty good. I know which way is up. But I find myself increasingly asking, "Is it me or has the whole world gone insane?"
Maybe I shouldn't be asking...
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As people realize that political solutions are no longer available, people are bound to react differently.
I think this is Beck just coming to grips with the reality that political solutions are no longer viable. His reaction is to "love one another as I have loved you," and let the chips fall where they may.
I can't say I'm far off from that, except that I've got too much ammo stored to let it all go to waste. I'm more in the watching and waiting for a sign camp.
He is actively undermining the stance of the right and aiding not the illegals but Øbozo and for that I can't (won't) forgive.
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I went searching for quotes from the Founding Fathers to bolster an argument I was making (at another site). I couldn't find much. But in the course of my search I found this:
"You cannot simultaneously have free immigration and a welfare state." - Milton Friedman
Offered up on its own I saw it as thoughtful and timely. But I'm cautious and more than a little cynical. I poked around more and - wouldn't you know it - the isolated quote wasn't what Freidman had in mind, at all. He goes on:
"Immigration is a particularly difficult subject. There is no doubt that free and open immigration is the right policy in a libertarian state, but in a welfare state it is a different story: the supply of immigrants will become infinite." - Milton Freidman
What?! "free and open immigration is the right policy"?! Well, at least you got the supply part of the equation right. One begets the other Milt! I looked further until I found the quote(s) more in context. Don't worry - it gets worse.
"That’s an interesting paradox to think about. Make it legal and it’s no good. Why? Because as long as it’s illegal the people who come in do not qualify for welfare, they don’t qualify for social security, they don’t qualify for the other myriad of benefits that we pour out from our left pocket to our right pocket. So long as they don’t qualify they migrate to jobs. They take jobs that most residents of this country are unwilling to take. They provide employers with the kind of workers that they cannot get. They’re hard workers, they’re good workers, and they are clearly better off."
Got that? Illegal immigration is good. Good for the illegals, good for business, good for America. He's fooling himself and cheating us if he truly believed that there would be restrictions to illegals heartily availing themselves of our welfare system or find a government teat and clamp on tight. This is the same guy who got credit for the recycled: There's no such thing as free lunch" and "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand."
I don't have a perfect internal gyroscope but I will submit that it's pretty good. I know which way is up. But I find myself increasingly asking, "Is it me or has the whole world gone insane?"
Maybe I shouldn't be asking...
Ask. No, it's not you. That leaves a good part of the country that has gone batsh*t fcking insane. It happens.
Ole Miltie there probably never envisioned in his Utopia of illegal aliens that would do work Americans wouldn't do (and boy, am I sick of hearing that!) that the courts would be ruling in their favor -- "equality under the law". This is how we ended up forced to "educate" them in our "schools" and treat them in our hospitals all for nothing from them. Was the anchor baby situation in force when he was on this side of grass? This is how they got their foots in the benefit/entitlements door.
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I grew weary of Beck's little Gandhi Complex before he left Fox, too. I think the moment that made me give him the stink eye was the whole Shirley Sherrod episode where he basically chucked Andrew Breitbart under the bus and then went about his whole sermonizing "I'm above that sort of thing" schtick.
He thinks he's some sort of prophet and that seems to be more of what he's about than anything else. There's no peaceful resolution with the Left and anyone who counsels otherwise is doing net harm to the cause of liberty.
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He thinks he's some sort of prophet...
Network - Mad as Hell Scene (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WINDtlPXmmE#ws)
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AFAIAC Beck thinks he can successfully navigate the minefield of the middle, but the middle is no different than being a Ruling Class Pubbie, they live in the middle too, and he can share their fate and earn the scorn and ridicule we typically reserve for such ilk and if in the end he perishes from his own hubris then so sad too effing bad...
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Beck is quite the puzzle.
On the one hand he can be quite insightful and visionary. Or, at least, he used to have the capacity for such things.
But on the other hand he is incredibly susceptible to muddled thinking. In my opinion, speaking as a more or less fundamentalist Christian, nothing else explains his connection to the LDS religion. The LDS is, to me, nothing other than a heretical cult with its beliefs made up out of whole cloth by a polygamist con man. When a "thinker" (such as Beck claims to be) buys into the ridiculous (and easily disprovable) notions of the LDS religion* they are (again, for me) immediately open to skepticism regarding their ability to reason. So...I have never fully trusted him. Yes, he has done yeoman's work on exposing the progressive/utopian agenda. Good for him. Many years earlier he also did a very comprehensive expose on scientology. That was about when I started listening to him and I thought (at the time), "Wow, here is someone who gets it and isn't afraid to tell it like it is." And then I discovered that he was a mormon and just like that about 90% of his credibility was out the window with me. And it always has been.
Another thing that has periodically annoyed and disgusted me are his descents into abject emotionalism where he freaks out and/or begins sobbing over (fill in the blank because there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to the topic selection that sets him off). He is somewhat neurotic in this respect. You never know which Beck you are going to be subjected to on any given day.
I listen to him sporadically, more or less, to keep myself abreast of things from a culturally conservative perspective, because he is (like it or not) part of the spectrum.
The problem with Beck is the same with any so-called "leader" and that is that they are human and vulnerable to human failings. And the bigger they are, the harder they fall. Beck has "grown" himself into a "leader" of gargantuan proportions and demonstrates for those willing to see that he is far from perfect. Follow anyone, invest yourself in anyone at your own risk because as surely as the sun rises in the east it is only a matter of time before you are let down.
*which I won't go into...you are free to look them up.
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Totally irrelevant aside but I found out about a year ago that my great-great grandfather was some sort of high mucky-muck church elder in the LDS church in Utah. I hope that doesn't spoil my own street cred ;')
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Totally irrelevant aside but I found out about a year ago that my great-great grandfather was some sort of high mucky-muck church elder in the LDS church in Utah. I hope that doesn't spoil my own street cred ;')
Nah. Although the apple never falls far from the tree and/but though we are not cursed with the sins of our GGGs, it's our personal street cred that holds force.
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The LDS is, to me, nothing other than a heretical cult with its beliefs made up out of whole cloth by a polygamist con man. When a "thinker" (such as Beck claims to be) buys into the ridiculous (and easily disprovable) notions of the LDS religion* they are (again, for me) immediately open to skepticism regarding their ability to reason. So...I have never fully trusted him.
Not that I disagree with your description, but discounting people because they belong is probably a bit unfair. Most of the Mormons I have met have been great, very friendly and very , very moral people. I don't know if they really believe all of that crap or not, but the LDS church has a created a strong culture in which its members have protected themselves and their children from the corrosive crap Reality TV Kardashian culture we are soaking in. The Church even preps as part of that culture - the Sticky on Food Storage in the forum comes from the LDS church. To obtain those benefits it may be worth pretending to believe in a lot of crap. ( And I have been tempted to join this cult for that reason.. which is probably the wrong reason to join the cult.. so I haven't)
Gary's Vindication (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsmyzC4AkFQ#)