It's About Liberty: A Conservative Forum
Topics => General Board => Topic started by: IronDioPriest on May 09, 2011, 11:24:26 AM
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Under my insurance plan in Minnesota, in the clinic/physician system we currently use, if I were to call my doctor's office today seeking an appointment with my primary care physician, I may have to wait a week or two, but most often they can see me within a day or two. If I am willing to see a different doctor in the same practice, it is likely almost to the point of certainty that I could get in on a same-day basis. I've seen specialists on a referral from my primary care in as little as a few days to a couple weeks.
Wait for doctors visit as long as 48 days in Massachusetts. (http://www.boston.com/news/health/blog/2011/05/wait_for_doctor.html)
A new poll of 838 Massachusetts doctors finds patients are still waiting weeks -- in some cases as long as a month and a half -- for non-urgent appointments with primary care physicians and certain specialists.
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We see that in every nation that adopts government run health care...and that is just the intial change, many more, many much worse roll in right behind it!
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I listened to prime minister's questions last week and they were discussing wait times for hospital services being about 18 weeks. What was interesting to me was that wait times were acceptable at all. They were bickering over whether the wait times were really 18 weeks or were longer.
Listening last night it was obvious that both sides are rearranging the chairs on the titanic. Much like here in the USA. Everyone seems to be operating on the premise that it's just wasteful spending that we need to cut then we'll have plenty of money for all those important social programs.
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Under my insurance plan in Minnesota, in the clinic/physician system we currently use, if I were to call my doctor's office today seeking an appointment with my primary care physician, I may have to wait a week or two, but most often they can see me within a day or two. If I am willing to see a different doctor in the same practice, it is likely almost to the point of certainty that I could get in on a same-day basis. I've seen specialists on a referral from my primary care in as little as a few days to a couple weeks.
Wait for doctors visit as long as 48 days in Massachusetts. (http://www.boston.com/news/health/blog/2011/05/wait_for_doctor.html)
A new poll of 838 Massachusetts doctors finds patients are still waiting weeks -- in some cases as long as a month and a half -- for non-urgent appointments with primary care physicians and certain specialists.
I've given up trying to find a family/general practice "physician"; I see a Nurse Practioner now. She's very good and operates within a practice that doesn't take insurance -- the price list for everything is in the lobby. If I need to see *another* specialist, she has a list of "friendlies" (I don't need permission from my insurance to do so).
There are fewer and fewer family practice/primary care MDs out there, thus the long wait times, and I put it down to -- what else?? -- government interference; low Medicare reimbursements and ever-increasing regulations have chased them out and discouraged new ones as specializing is more lucrative in terms of them operating in the black.
Obamacare is just going to make this so much worse.
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Well, when the fit hits the shan my sister the RN will be our family's sole medical expert.
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Well....There is always leeches.
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Well....There is always leeches.
You take my Leeches and you owe me alot of Fish!
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Well....There is always leeches.
Oooh. I'm getting the warm and fuzzies.
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I'm already feeling better.
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I'm already feeling better.
::rolllaughing::
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this will doom romney
good
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I think he's a decent guy Dan, but he needs to stay out of the race...it could get kinda brutal for him...and going ahead would indicate perhaps he is letting emotion and desire trump reason and reality.
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I think he's a decent guy Dan, but he needs to stay out of the race...it could get kinda brutal for him...and going ahead would indicate perhaps he is letting emotion and desire trump reason and reality.
Maybe he is a decent guy, sort of, personally. But ,maybe there isn't anything decent at heart about a fella who believes State Socialism in control of peoples' medical care is permissible, as long as the Feds aren't involved; maybe there isn't, likewise, much decent about a man who cannot admit he was wrong.
Whereas I can admit, and do, that the political is personal to me and I hold a grudge.
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I think he's a decent guy Dan, but he needs to stay out of the race...it could get kinda brutal for him...and going ahead would indicate perhaps he is letting emotion and desire trump reason and reality.
Maybe he is a decent guy, sort of, personally. But ,maybe there isn't anything decent at heart about a fella who believes State Socialism in control of peoples' medical care is permissible, as long as the Feds aren't involved; maybe there isn't, likewise, much decent about a man who cannot admit he was wrong.
Whereas I can admit, and do, that the political is personal to me and I hold a grudge.
I hears ya. I don't ascribe full proglodyte intent of absolute control over all of humanity to Mitt's idea like I do Obammy's, I think he really believed he was doing something good back then, but that still doesn't make it right and it sure as heck doesn't mean he shouldn't be lit up like Mt. St. Helens for not admitting it was one big nasty mistake he made!
So bad?
Check.
Not admitting big boo-boo?
Check.
Grudge? (I ain't voting for him no way no how either)
Check!
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I'd have a little more respect for Romney if he would come out and admit it was bad policy regarding his states healthcare....and work to eliminate it.
Romney could turn this into a positive so easily......but he probably believe he made no mistake.
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I'd have a little more respect for Romney if he would come out and admit it was bad policy regarding his states healthcare....and work to eliminate it.
Romney could turn this into a positive so easily......but he probably believe he made no mistake.
Exactly the problem. Despite evidence to the contrary.
Romney begone.
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I'd have a little more respect for Romney if he would come out and admit it was bad policy regarding his states healthcare....and work to eliminate it.
Romney could turn this into a positive so easily......but he probably believe he made no mistake.
Exactly the problem. Despite evidence to the contrary.
Romney begone.
::thumbsup::
I can't even talk candidates with my mom--she thinks Romney is the one. ::gaah:: ::gaah:: ::gaah::
I'm beginning to think my mom is/was a one issue conservative Repub. She worked long and hard in the pro-life movement. But she was raised a dem and
and she likes her social programs.
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I'd have a little more respect for Romney if he would come out and admit it was bad policy regarding his states healthcare....and work to eliminate it.
Romney could turn this into a positive so easily......but he probably believe he made no mistake.
Exactly the problem. Despite evidence to the contrary.
Romney begone.
See, now I think he knows he f**ked up big-time, but doesn't see a way to say so without undermining his leadership cred. That health care plan in MA is a huge effin disaster, and a MAJOR blot on the resume of anyone seeking the GOP nod. If he admits it was a terrible decision, he's through. If he embraces it as a "states rights" solution he can still oppose ObamaCare.
Problem with that whole approach is that it's bullsh*t, and everybody knows it. I think Romney knows it too, but doesn't see another way.
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See, now I think he knows he f**ked up big-time, but doesn't see a way to say so without undermining his leadership cred. That health care plan in MA is a huge effin disaster, and a MAJOR blot on the resume of anyone seeking the GOP nod. If he admits it was a terrible decision, he's through. If he embraces it as a "states rights" solution he can still oppose ObamaCare.
Problem with that whole approach is that it's bullsh*t, and everybody knows it. I think Romney knows it too, but doesn't see another way.
Then he should do the honorable thing and fess up and acknowledge to himself that being prez ain't in the cards....
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Agreed, IDP.
The Bishops won't pick Romney, he's too close to being a natural human, if they make the choice it will be much worse. Somehow the TeaParty must choose and then promote one of our own. We must support that candidate and make sure he/she is in every debate.
The Bishops will try to dribble different Conservative candidates at each debate and call it fair. It will not be fair it will be a deliberate dilution
of a Conservative candidacy. Voters fix an impression of each candidate and follow the message from that point. If the voter is not presented the same person every time an imprint cannot be established. The same two Conservative in every debate against the squishies would be fair but we cannot expect that.
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I'd have a little more respect for Romney if he would come out and admit it was bad policy regarding his states healthcare....and work to eliminate it.
Romney could turn this into a positive so easily......but he probably believe he made no mistake.
Exactly the problem. Despite evidence to the contrary.
Romney begone.
See, now I think he knows he f**ked up big-time, but doesn't see a way to say so without undermining his leadership cred. That health care plan in MA is a huge effin disaster, and a MAJOR blot on the resume of anyone seeking the GOP nod. If he admits it was a terrible decision, he's through. If he embraces it as a "states rights" solution he can still oppose ObamaCare.
Problem with that whole approach is that it's bullsh*t, and everybody knows it. I think Romney knows it too, but doesn't see another way.
Can good leaders openly admit they were mistaken? I don't know, so I'm asking. A misstep of this magnitude -- Romneycare -- leads me to believe, at least in this case, no. If he had the makings of a wise "leader", he'd not have chosen poorly in the first place. You may have hit the nail on the head here.
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A major question is, who has the fortitude to face Harry Reid and stick to his guns. Scratch Romney; Could Pawlenty, Daniels, Santorum, Gingrich ::falldownshocked:: be depended upon, trusted? I shudder.
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T-Paw has renounced his support of Cap & Trade. Was it adopted to begin with just to curry favor with J-Mac in hopes of getting the '08 Veep nod? Possibly, but he didn't say that, and for obvious reasons...having changed positions he has already acknowledged he can make mistakes, people will wonder if he will make them again. So a change of heart is a good step, but more action must be witnessed before future deeds can be properly anticipated by the electorate. Romney is in deeper doo-doo for not admitting error, so he is even more suspect than T-Paw. Daniels wants to be the new standard-bearer of compassionate conservatism, and he's welcome to it. If he drops that nonsense I'll drop my opposition. Santorum is almost a mirror of T-Paw, like him on some issues, but he's too much a nice guy and I can see him compromising on principles...can be too pragmatic than principled. Newt, geez, go back to writing books. He is a smart guy, but prone to some really dumb ideas and I cannot shake the sense that he just wants to be too much a people-pleaser and I've had enough of that crap!
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I'd have a little more respect for Romney if he would come out and admit it was bad policy regarding his states healthcare....and work to eliminate it.
Romney could turn this into a positive so easily......but he probably believe he made no mistake.
Exactly the problem. Despite evidence to the contrary.
Romney begone.
See, now I think he knows he f**ked up big-time, but doesn't see a way to say so without undermining his leadership cred. That health care plan in MA is a huge effin disaster, and a MAJOR blot on the resume of anyone seeking the GOP nod. If he admits it was a terrible decision, he's through. If he embraces it as a "states rights" solution he can still oppose ObamaCare.
Problem with that whole approach is that it's bullsh*t, and everybody knows it. I think Romney knows it too, but doesn't see another way.
Can good leaders openly admit they were mistaken? I don't know, so I'm asking. A misstep of this magnitude -- Romneycare -- leads me to believe, at least in this case, no. If he had the makings of a wise "leader", he'd not have chosen poorly in the first place. You may have hit the nail on the head here.
I believe Romney could admit the error of his way. Explain he fell into the socialized medicine trap, work to end it in his state and imo, would have the ability to claim a unique understanding of the pitfalls of obamacare and take a hard stand against it....Of course, as I said, he must first believe he made a mistake.
Any course would be better than ignoring how vunerable he is.
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We see that in every nation that adopts government run health care...and that is just the intial change, many more, many much worse roll in right behind it!
Yes, but it's equally sh*tty for everyone, and that's what makes it A-OK.
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We see that in every nation that adopts government run health care...and that is just the intial change, many more, many much worse roll in right behind it!
Yes, but it's equally sh*tty for everyone, and that's what makes it A-OK.
That is the essence of what they believe, but coming out and admitting it would put them in political exile for a long long time.
It is why we need to bring it up. Failing to do so only allows their false meme of fairness to mask the truth.
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We see that in every nation that adopts government run health care...and that is just the intial change, many more, many much worse roll in right behind it!
Yes, but it's equally sh*tty for everyone, and that's what makes it A-OK.
Nooooot quite everyone. Some animals are more equal ..........
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Well naturally, that is what we must have in "government by expert". It's a concession to the indispensable guidance of the intelligentsia. Party apparatchiks in the USSR had cars and country dachas too.
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All part of the false meme of fairness...all in a days work for proglodyte trash!