Since gas prices are up, hybrid and electric vehicles like the Chevy Volt and the Nissan Leaf are looking more and more attractive. And when you start shopping for a new electric vehicle, Best Buy might eventually be on the list of dealerships you visit. “The Minneapolis-based chain is hoping to segue into the EV sales market in the long-term,” writes Automobile Magazine. “Selling electric vehicles would not be completely new territory for Best Buy, as they are already selling the Brammo electric motorcycle and will be the customer’s point of contact for 240-volt home chargers for the 2012 Mitsubishi i EV and 2013 Ford Focus Electric.”
Since gas prices are up, hybrid and electric vehicles like the Chevy Volt and the Nissan Leaf are looking more and more attractive.
Well, that was the plan, wasn't it? Create an artificial market through punitive regulation and imposed hardship?
They made the mistake of over-building stores and turned their corporate headquarters into a ghost town and now they think they can step into this and succeed, and with these POS's?
I don't care how maany smug fart-sniffing proglodytes they think they can lure...this venture would doom this company once and for all!
They are truly nucking futs!
They made the mistake of over-building stores and turned their corporate headquarters into a ghost town and now they think they can step into this and succeed, and with these POS's?
I don't care how maany smug fart-sniffing proglodytes they think they can lure...this venture would doom this company once and for all!
They are truly nucking futs!
They will never get cars for resale!!!Two words: "FRANCHISE AGREEMENTS"
They made the mistake of over-building stores and turned their corporate headquarters into a ghost town and now they think they can step into this and succeed, and with these POS's?
I don't care how maany smug fart-sniffing proglodytes they think they can lure...this venture would doom this company once and for all!
They are truly nucking futs!
They will never get cars for resale!!!Two words: "FRANCHISE AGREEMENTS"
Hmm, good point. Unless they can swing a deal on that point they won't be doing any such thing. But people can be bought, question is what's the asking price and what can the buyer afford?
Frankly, they are nuts to even float the idea, it should've never escaped someones brain...
They made the mistake of over-building stores and turned their corporate headquarters into a ghost town and now they think they can step into this and succeed, and with these POS's?
I don't care how maany smug fart-sniffing proglodytes they think they can lure...this venture would doom this company once and for all!
They are truly nucking futs!
They will never get cars for resale!!!Two words: "FRANCHISE AGREEMENTS"
Hmm, good point. Unless they can swing a deal on that point they won't be doing any such thing. But people can be bought, question is what's the asking price and what can the buyer afford?
Frankly, they are nuts to even float the idea, it should've never escaped someones brain...
Nothing about best buys conforms to what the factory demand that a dealer have and the licencing bureaus make demands and the dealers in the area won't allow then in their turf and the factory has signed contracts that give the dealers the territory. So this guy is blowing smoke up every bodys AZZ.
Would I be out of line here for suggesting that the old rule of contract/laws no longer apply?
Would I be out of line here for suggesting that the old rule of contract/laws no longer apply?
Would I be out of line here for suggesting that the old rule of contract/laws no longer apply?
Yes, and no, in todays muddled world, I guess the party with the better trial lawyers and political connections may likely swing the balance.
Well, that was the plan, wasn't it? Create an artificial market through punitive regulation and imposed hardship?
Unfortunately for the them, too many Americans expect a car they want to drive. No one aspires to a car they have to drive.
Would I be out of line here for suggesting that the old rule of contract/laws no longer apply?
Yes.
...This isn't the Feds making a deal with a court over bankruptcy. This is the dealers all over the country that aren't giving an inch of turf to anybody. These guy that are still in business have huge investments just just the physical structures to even become dealers. They had to pass by what the factory demands you have as a building,parking lot for the inventory,parts,service ans signage....
...This isn't the Feds making a deal with a court over bankruptcy. This is the dealers all over the country that aren't giving an inch of turf to anybody. These guy that are still in business have huge investments just just the physical structures to even become dealers. They had to pass by what the factory demands you have as a building,parking lot for the inventory,parts,service ans signage....
Oh, you mean like the many hundreds of dealers that were arbitrarily shut down by GM and Chrysler at the demand of the federal government? All those businessmen who played by the rules and did everything right, who thought they had "turf" to protect, but who were summarily told that they were no longer in business?
I would suggest that your well-respected insiders view here was valid pre-Obama John. It seems to me that things we once assumed as fact and practices we once assumed were sacred have had the foundations yanked out from under them.
In the New World, if the federal government wants Best Buy to sell electric cars, then Best Buy will sell electric cars, assuming that the proper homage is paid.
...This isn't the Feds making a deal with a court over bankruptcy. This is the dealers all over the country that aren't giving an inch of turf to anybody. These guy that are still in business have huge investments just just the physical structures to even become dealers. They had to pass by what the factory demands you have as a building,parking lot for the inventory,parts,service ans signage....
Oh, you mean like the many hundreds of dealers that were arbitrarily shut down by GM and Chrysler at the demand of the federal government? All those businessmen who played by the rules and did everything right, who thought they had "turf" to protect, but who were summarily told that they were no longer in business?
I would suggest that your well-respected insiders view here was valid pre-Obama John. It seems to me that things we once assumed as fact and practices we once assumed were sacred have had the foundations yanked out from under them.
In the New World, if the federal government wants Best Buy to sell electric cars, then Best Buy will sell electric cars, assuming that the proper homage is paid.
The only way they got away with it was through a bankruptcy court. Do you think they're willing to do that one again?? That would be the end of the American Auto industry in this country.Best buy doesn't have the money to take on all those dealers and not to mention the Korean and Japanese governments that will back their dealers.
...This isn't the Feds making a deal with a court over bankruptcy. This is the dealers all over the country that aren't giving an inch of turf to anybody. These guy that are still in business have huge investments just just the physical structures to even become dealers. They had to pass by what the factory demands you have as a building,parking lot for the inventory,parts,service ans signage....
Oh, you mean like the many hundreds of dealers that were arbitrarily shut down by GM and Chrysler at the demand of the federal government? All those businessmen who played by the rules and did everything right, who thought they had "turf" to protect, but who were summarily told that they were no longer in business?
I would suggest that your well-respected insiders view here was valid pre-Obama John. It seems to me that things we once assumed as fact and practices we once assumed were sacred have had the foundations yanked out from under them.
In the New World, if the federal government wants Best Buy to sell electric cars, then Best Buy will sell electric cars, assuming that the proper homage is paid.
The only way they got away with it was through a bankruptcy court. Do you think they're willing to do that one again?? That would be the end of the American Auto industry in this country.Best buy doesn't have the money to take on all those dealers and not to mention the Korean and Japanese governments that will back their dealers.
IIRC, they didn't go through bankruptcy court! THAT'S the problem!
...This isn't the Feds making a deal with a court over bankruptcy. This is the dealers all over the country that aren't giving an inch of turf to anybody. These guy that are still in business have huge investments just just the physical structures to even become dealers. They had to pass by what the factory demands you have as a building,parking lot for the inventory,parts,service ans signage....
Oh, you mean like the many hundreds of dealers that were arbitrarily shut down by GM and Chrysler at the demand of the federal government? All those businessmen who played by the rules and did everything right, who thought they had "turf" to protect, but who were summarily told that they were no longer in business?
I would suggest that your well-respected insiders view here was valid pre-Obama John. It seems to me that things we once assumed as fact and practices we once assumed were sacred have had the foundations yanked out from under them.
In the New World, if the federal government wants Best Buy to sell electric cars, then Best Buy will sell electric cars, assuming that the proper homage is paid.
The only way they got away with it was through a bankruptcy court. Do you think they're willing to do that one again?? That would be the end of the American Auto industry in this country.Best buy doesn't have the money to take on all those dealers and not to mention the Korean and Japanese governments that will back their dealers.
IIRC, they didn't go through bankruptcy court! THAT'S the problem!
They did do an orchestrated bankruptcy. The franchise agreement laws are a bitch in favor of the franchisee. This isn't going to happen. The only thing they will be selling are golf carts.
...This isn't the Feds making a deal with a court over bankruptcy. This is the dealers all over the country that aren't giving an inch of turf to anybody. These guy that are still in business have huge investments just just the physical structures to even become dealers. They had to pass by what the factory demands you have as a building,parking lot for the inventory,parts,service ans signage....
Oh, you mean like the many hundreds of dealers that were arbitrarily shut down by GM and Chrysler at the demand of the federal government? All those businessmen who played by the rules and did everything right, who thought they had "turf" to protect, but who were summarily told that they were no longer in business?
I would suggest that your well-respected insiders view here was valid pre-Obama John. It seems to me that things we once assumed as fact and practices we once assumed were sacred have had the foundations yanked out from under them.
In the New World, if the federal government wants Best Buy to sell electric cars, then Best Buy will sell electric cars, assuming that the proper homage is paid.
The only way they got away with it was through a bankruptcy court. Do you think they're willing to do that one again?? That would be the end of the American Auto industry in this country.Best buy doesn't have the money to take on all those dealers and not to mention the Korean and Japanese governments that will back their dealers.
IIRC, they didn't go through bankruptcy court! THAT'S the problem!
They did do an orchestrated bankruptcy. The franchise agreement laws are a bitch in favor of the franchisee. This isn't going to happen. The only thing they will be selling are golf carts.
You keep repeating that as though an "orchestrated bankruptcy" proceeded according to the rules and that the gawdamned government is not going to do, through sticks and carrots and ignoring the law, exactly as they please.
I'll repeat, and for the last time, it didn't matter with GM and it isn't going to matter with any other business.
Fer crissake, John.
...This isn't the Feds making a deal with a court over bankruptcy. This is the dealers all over the country that aren't giving an inch of turf to anybody. These guy that are still in business have huge investments just just the physical structures to even become dealers. They had to pass by what the factory demands you have as a building,parking lot for the inventory,parts,service ans signage....
Oh, you mean like the many hundreds of dealers that were arbitrarily shut down by GM and Chrysler at the demand of the federal government? All those businessmen who played by the rules and did everything right, who thought they had "turf" to protect, but who were summarily told that they were no longer in business?
I would suggest that your well-respected insiders view here was valid pre-Obama John. It seems to me that things we once assumed as fact and practices we once assumed were sacred have had the foundations yanked out from under them.
In the New World, if the federal government wants Best Buy to sell electric cars, then Best Buy will sell electric cars, assuming that the proper homage is paid.
The only way they got away with it was through a bankruptcy court. Do you think they're willing to do that one again?? That would be the end of the American Auto industry in this country.Best buy doesn't have the money to take on all those dealers and not to mention the Korean and Japanese governments that will back their dealers.
IIRC, they didn't go through bankruptcy court! THAT'S the problem!
They did do an orchestrated bankruptcy. The franchise agreement laws are a bitch in favor of the franchisee. This isn't going to happen. The only thing they will be selling are golf carts.
You keep repeating that as though an "orchestrated bankruptcy" proceeded according to the rules and that the gawdamned government is not going to do, through sticks and carrots and ignoring the law, exactly as they please.
I'll repeat, and for the last time, it didn't matter with GM and it isn't going to matter with any other business.
Fer crissake, John.
The point is that the government was actively involved last time this time it's factory versus dealers on a territorial dispute. The territotries are drawn up by population numbers and land area where the numbers aren't there. Now that the territories are redrawn it's even harder for the factory to muscle them even of the franchise agreements need to be renewed it's all grandfathered in.
...This isn't going to happen. The only thing they will be selling are golf carts.
Anybody else 'round here recognize the need for a "throwing hands in the air" smilie?
Anybody else 'round here recognize the need for a "throwing hands in the air" smilie?
::thinking::...... ::gaah::
I don't think it will happen, not for the reason John states, but because from a strategic business standpoint it makes no sense and for the fact that it would tie up enourmous amounts of capital and present cash flow risks to a retail chain that is already subject to economic swings and consumer whim.
Being the Devil's advocate, you grease enough of the right palms, have a cutthroat legal outfit on retainer, a top-flight PR firm and the ears of maleable politicians and anybody could do anything.
But this idea is DOA for purely business reasons IMO.
I don't think it will happen, not for the reason John states, but because from a strategic business standpoint it makes no sense and for the fact that it would tie up enourmous amounts of capital and present cash flow risks to a retail chain that is already subject to economic swings and consumer whim.
Being the Devil's advocate, you grease enough of the right palms, have a cutthroat legal outfit on retainer, a top-flight PR firm and the ears of maleable politicians and anybody could do anything.
But this idea is DOA for purely business reasons IMO.
Good!! Now go back and read my posts #7-12 and 16.
Damn, ya sucked me in anyway!
QuoteDamn, ya sucked me in anyway!
Amazing how he does that, innit?
Remember how I wrote elsewhere that once *some* people get something in their heads, that's it? That's him.
QuoteDamn, ya sucked me in anyway!
Amazing how he does that, innit?
Remember how I wrote elsewhere that once *some* people get something in their heads, that's it? That's him.
::hysterical::
A dog and his bone...
Stop growling JF!
;D
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QuoteDamn, ya sucked me in anyway!
Amazing how he does that, innit?
Remember how I wrote elsewhere that once *some* people get something in their heads, that's it? That's him.
::hysterical::
A dog and his bone...
Stop growling JF!
;D
I said all the same things you did.There is no bankrupcy argument.I said the they could not qualify with their buildings and that they could not afford the legal battle they would get from the dealers Americam ans I included Korea and Japan.Yoiu say it better but I did make all those arguments.
don't let middleman dealers jack up your costs!
BEST BUY Factory Direct Electric Cars
come in and complete your order or order online for discount