It's About Liberty: A Conservative Forum
Topics => Politics/Legislation/Elections => Topic started by: Pandora on March 07, 2017, 03:21:06 PM
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Republican leadership and Health and Human Services Secretary Tom Price argue that tax credits would benefit low-income Americans more so than a tax deduction.
Because so many don't pay any federal income tax.
Per Rand Paul:
1. Leadership wants to keep Obamacare-like subsidies to buy insurance but rename them refundable tax credits (families will be given up to $14,000 dollars of other people’s money)
2. Leadership wants to keep the Obamacare Cadillac tax but rename it a tax on the top 10% of people who have the best insurance.
3. Leadership wants to keep the individual mandate but instead of mandating a tax penalty to the government they mandate a penalty to the insurance company (can it possibly be Constitutional to mandate a penalty to a private insurance company?)
4. Leadership wants to keep $100 billion of the insurance company subsidies from Obamacare but call them “reinsurance.” (Why? Because insurance companies love guaranteed issue as long as the taxpayer finances it!)
Gawddamn them. ::gaah::
And I'm bloody sick and tired of hearing "bending the cost curve down" puke-speak.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/07/conservatives-paul-ryans-healthcare-plan-replaces-obamacare-with-obamacare-lite/ (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/07/conservatives-paul-ryans-healthcare-plan-replaces-obamacare-with-obamacare-lite/)
HELL NO!
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I read at zero hedge that the penalty for waiting until you're sick to buy insurance is just a 30% surcharge. Which is still going to lead to a death spiral.
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They are so f*cking afraid of the bad press they will get when it looks like they are "taking away peoples insurance". So they don't want to take away the give aways and "protections" that Obamacare started.
John Stossel says it best, "Once people get a subsidy, it's very hard to take it away".
http://reason.com/blog/2017/03/07/the-one-number-that-shows-why-any-health (http://reason.com/blog/2017/03/07/the-one-number-that-shows-why-any-health)
So that's how we end up with Obamacare lite. Now the Democrats can now blame Republicans for all the problems that will continue.
The EGOP hasn't learned a damn thing.
Next time Democrats are running things, they will get single payer. Then it will be like England. 50% of your income goes to income taxes, another 30% to NHS. Do people realize that many European tax rates are 80-90%? Granted, we are at 60% already. But then people wonder why the economy is always sick.
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The premium could increase by 30 percent for individuals who have a coverage gap of more than 63 days during the previous 12 months. Insurers could maintain the 30 percent premium increase for a 12 month period.
http://www.texaspolicy.com/library/doclib/Summary-of-House-Republicans-Latest-Obamacare-Legislation.pdf (http://www.texaspolicy.com/library/doclib/Summary-of-House-Republicans-Latest-Obamacare-Legislation.pdf)
Worse than I originally read, as it's limited to 12 months. As of my last premiums before bugging out, $1,350 per month, that's a penalty of $4,860 if I wait until I have cancer before coming back. 3 1/2 months of premiums. The death spiral isn't going away.
If you're curious how much health care is here, my wife recently had surgery. The king of thing women don't want their husbands talking about so I'll leave it at that. All in with a roomy private room for 4 days, $2,600. In Taiwan that would have been $3,500 to $4,000, still reasonable.
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Finally - someone found a way to unite all Americans.
Everyone hates the new healthcare!
:o
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As with everything the Pubbies illustrate once again they fear those they should hate more than us and they are too stupid to know that modifying this pig in any way is exactly what the demonrats need...and still they plow ahead like dumb animals to the slaughter.
End it don't mend it. People want insurance? Clean up, get a haircut, lose the body-mods, wear normal clothes AND GET AN EFFING JOB!!!
Tired of stupid, the penalty for stupid should be mind-shattering pain. Time to unleash the pain on these braindead Pubbies!
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As soon as the demand for repeal somehow got turned into this phrase "repeal and replace" I knew it was a lost cause.
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As soon as the demand for repeal somehow got turned into this phrase "repeal and replace" I knew it was a lost cause.
Yep. Shame others can't grasp that.
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::facepalm::
https://news.grabien.com/story-ryan-warns-if-we-dont-pass-my-bill-system-going-collapse (https://news.grabien.com/story-ryan-warns-if-we-dont-pass-my-bill-system-going-collapse)
https://youtu.be/Swvf3w6hcY4?list=RDSwvf3w6hcY4 (https://youtu.be/Swvf3w6hcY4?list=RDSwvf3w6hcY4)
Even the CBO says it will make things worse...
https://www.wsj.com/articles/cbo-estimates-14-million-more-uninsured-next-year-under-gop-plan-1489436927 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/cbo-estimates-14-million-more-uninsured-next-year-under-gop-plan-1489436927)
Pubbies, they really do thirst for death!
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What is not reported and what was included in the CBO's analysis is many, if not most, of the additional millions of uninsured will be a result of them not buying insurance once the mandate is removed. Liberty, yah?
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We shouldn't do anything for a year or two. Let is fail so badly that people are suffering for real, and then fix it.
Let. It. Burn. and more importantly - Let it BURN THE F'ing Dems who did it to begin with , and blame it on "Democrat Obstruction"
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I agree, doing nothing and letting nature take its course may be the best play one could hope for from these stupid bastards. But it will still be the demonrat endgame to fire up the psycho-circus and call for the government-run everything as the cure-all. And the way these stupid SOB pubbies play the game they'll once again grab their ankles and the nation will take it in the shaft again. The trajectory with these a-holes is still retrograde...
Death, Taxes, Progs, Pubbies...
::facepalm::
(http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss291/libertasinfinitio/Signs/gopprob_zpsu5vw6ndg.jpg)
::outrage::
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