It's About Liberty: A Conservative Forum
Topics => Politics/Legislation/Elections => Topic started by: charlesoakwood on December 30, 2011, 09:39:55 PM
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Yes, Santorum is the man, here is Rick Santorum.
Rick Santorum, GOP Senate leadership, 2004:
Rick Santorum says Arlen Specter is an important member of the Bush team (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3HOb0NEJ1E#)
If you still feel a tad of compunction for him, here's (http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/12/30/get-ready-to-hear-all-about-rick-santorum-and-universal-health-services/) a tad more.
BigHatTip to RedState (http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/12/30/get-ready-to-hear-all-about-rick-santorum-and-universal-health-services/)
It's interesting that all of a sudden the talking heads are saying Santorum is surging in Iowa. Yesterday, Krauthammer said, considering the small polling sample and the wide margin of error Iowa is a virtual tie.
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With all these otherwise good conservatives who have past transgressions, I try to take into account that the entire political landscape and rules of the game have changed. People who were operating under one set of rules and the dynamic of a political system that expected them to do things a certain way suddenly had the rug yanked out from under them, and were left scrambling to account for past political pandering that was just part of the game before the rules changed.
It's unfortunate for guys like Santorum (and Pawlenty, just by way of comparison). I think they were basically conservative guys who viewed themselves as working within the political two party system to move the conservative ball forward. I think that under the old rules, they had reason to believe that the voting public would view them the same way. But a few years go by, the economy crashes, government becomes a threat to our liberty, the public is aroused, and suddenly the rules of the game are changed. Things these people said and did in the past that pleased the conservative base and had their enemies labeling them "arch conservative" are now being viewed as liberal transgressions against the American people and liberty.
I would bet that if Rick Santorum could go back and undo his politically motivated support of Arlen Specter he would do it in a heartbeat. Not because he regrets the consequences now, but because the consequences bring home to roost the fact that he never really supported Specter in the first place.
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There should be no sympathy for lack of character. He compromised principle
for political expedience. We are at this crossroads today because basically good
men were willing to compromise themselves and in doing so compromised us and
the nation. This has been a long time in the making and he saw it coming.
He deserves no sympathy, he knew better.
The media is about to begin the vetting of Rick Santorum (http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/12/30/get-ready-to-hear-all-about-rick-santorum-and-universal-health-services/)
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and I suspect we’re going to hear a lot about Universal Health Services (“UHS”). Santorum’s involvement in UHS is one of the significant bits of his private sector experience.
After his 18 point loss in 2006, UHS appointed Rick Santorum to its Board of Directors.
On May 16, 2007, Santorum acquired 10,000 options to purchase Class B common stock. On November 21, 2009, he received another option for 5,000. In 2010, it was options for 15,000 shares and another 15,000 as recently as January 21, 2011, as Santorum begin to entertain thoughts of running for President.
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the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) filed a complaint against UHS for billing Medicaid “inpatient psychiatric care that was not provided.”
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According to the Department of Justice, UHS “ [took] advantage of troubled children in order to feed their own desire for wealth.”
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He's just another Philadelphia lawyer.
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Eric at Red State had a good article on Santorum today
http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/12/29/rick-santorum-earmarxists-and-the-pro-life-statist/ (http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/12/29/rick-santorum-earmarxists-and-the-pro-life-statist/)
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Rather, he’s [Bush]a big government conservative. This isn’t a description he or other prominent conservatives willingly embrace. It makes them sound as if they aren’t conservatives at all. But they are. They simply believe in using what would normally be seen as liberal means—activist government—for conservative ends. And they’re willing to spend more and increase the size of government in the process. [/blockquote]
Poor Freddie, he's such a nice guy but he just doesn't get it. Ex-democrat Freddie
cannot understand that bigger government is the problem, that bigger government
is not conservative. Freddie is also part of the problem.
[blockquote]Rick Santorum was complicit in making Americans more dependent on government and justified it under the rubric of compassion.
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Okay. So.
We're really alone here, in the dark. Leaderless. Representative-less. Do we deserve this? Forty more years in the desert?
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Santorum is more of a glint than a flash in the 2012 pan . All the talk about his most recent rise in the Iowa polls means nothing . He's going nowhere fast . I think by May most people will have forgotten that he was even in the race .
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Okay. So.
We're really alone here, in the dark. Pretty Much.
Leaderless. Yup.
Representative-less. Depends on your location, but in a broad (national) sense, given how people who we thought were our allies deserted us at times and helped the opposition advance their agenda...yeah, kinda hard to say no to this, eh?
Do we deserve this? Yes and no. No for those of us who have tried to fight it every step of the way, yes in terms of failure to stop it and reverse course. In terms of blame I think we have a better argument in being free of that taint...the hardcore leftists - the democrats, the media, pop culture...they've earned full blame.
Forty more years in the desert? No. I don't think we have 40 years left as a nation...we'd be lucky to have 1/4 of that.
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Perry Gets a 'GOTCHA' Question (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGlceFk2gvM#)
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Okay. So.
We're really alone here, in the dark. Leaderless. Representative-less. Do we deserve this? Forty more years in the desert?
We -- as in you, I, and the others here at IAL -- do not deserve this. But the broader we, as a country, most certainly do deserve this. For reasons too numerous to list. I'm of the belief that our Founders were correct in their assertion that the young nation they were establishing enjoyed the protection of what they called Divine Providence. Our meteoric rise as a civilization is testament to that. But I think now it is obvious that the Divine hand no longer protects or guides this civilization. Much of our official public policy is, in fact, oriented to the mockery and rejection of things good, wholesome, proper.
The best hope now is that the destruction of the current order be so complete that something new is allowed to take its place, without its poisonous legacy being left behind.
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I'm of the belief that our Founders were correct in their assertion that the young nation they were establishing enjoyed the protection of what they called Divine Providence. Our meteoric rise as a civilization is testament to that. But I think now it is obvious that the Divine hand no longer protects or guides this civilization. Much of our official public policy is, in fact, oriented to the mockery and rejection of things good, wholesome, proper.
The best hope now is that the destruction of the current order be so complete that something new is allowed to take its place, without its poisonous legacy being left behind.
I disagree. I think even now we are recipients of Divine Mercy. American history is full of men who didn't aspire to the good, the true or the beautiful. There was and is not a perfect time in our history. Even the Reagan years set us up for what we have now.
My daughter read me an excerpt from the family history yesterday. One of my great (many times over) grandmothers was working outside with her infant nearby and her toddler playing back in the barn when over the horizon Indians appeared. She grabbed her baby and ran into the woods hoping they wouldn't find the other child. She, along with many others holed up in another cabin while the men fought off the attack. Several days later the toddler was found dead in a nearby cabin.
My daughter looked at me stunned and said they left their homeland for that? I can't even begin to understand how my ancestors made the choices they did and how they persevered but they did.
There is no Utopia--conservative or otherwise. The complete destruction of our current way of life/country doesn't guarantee a new order of good. Evil will assert itself in any human endeavor. Our fate as humans is to wage the battles against evil. Our system in this country gives us the best tools for that battle. I'd much rather do battle from the vantage point I have now than from a point of complete destruction.
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...Our fate as humans is to wage the battles against evil. Our system in this country gives us the best tools for that battle. I'd much rather do battle from the vantage point I have now than from a point of complete destruction.
Definitely something to ponder amid all the talk of our nation's fate.
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Okay. So.
We're really alone here, in the dark. Leaderless. Representative-less. Do we deserve this? Forty more years in the desert?
Never give up never surrender. There will come a day till then we move forward when we can and hold ground when we have to.
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A lot of people were wetting their pants twelve years ago as the Y2K hoax was coming to its climax. I never bought into it. I could not believe that millions of Americans would just start acting stupid because a computer gave them bad data.
I sort of see the times we are in as a similar sort of phenomenon. I believe that there are still enough true Americans left to keep the country going. I believe that this is an opportunity rather than a disaster. True Americans do not give up. I'm not giving up. I'm not quitting. I'm ready to march forward over the deadbeat bodies of liberals and socialists.
Screw them.
I will survive. So will others...especially the patriots found here on this forum. If you didn't care enough then you wouldn't be here.
I don't know who is going to be elected president but I would like to think that it won't be the current dumbass. I honestly do not think he can pull it off. Clinton could pull it off because he was several orders of magnitude smarter than this punk. President Downgrade is just a second rate Chicago thug and we've seen everything he's got. He's done.
Again, I don't know who will be elected but whoever it is it will be up to us...you, me and thousands of others like us...to bend them to our will as regards shrinking the federal government monster and returning the country to first principles. We have to hold their feet to the fire. There are no perfect candidates but the eventual winner can be made to do the right thing.
It really does begin and end with us. I strongly urge everyone to read (or re-read) the final chapter of Liberty and Tyranny. It is titled, A Conservative Manifesto and it is a call to action. We all need to do what we can. For my part I am probably going to re-join the Republican party and become a precinct committeeman again. I served as one in the nineties and into the early 2000's until the immigration fiasco turned my stomach to the point where I just couldn't be a part of it anymore. Well, as I see it, that type of principled isolation is a luxury that I can no longer afford. I have in times past been a delegate at every level but the national level and I am prepared to go the distance again. Donating my time to this effort may be the only thing that I can do to make a difference...that difference being doing everything in my power to see that principled conservatives get onto the ballot.
I have no illusions that I could get elected to anything so I'll do what I can do.
But I'm not giving up. There's too much at stake. If I have to go down then I will go down fighting. Not silently and not bitching. No way.
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And remember this:
Wars are won one battle at a time. You don't win every battle. But you don't give up when you lose a battle. You re-group, learn from your mistakes and fight the next battle. There is nothing wrong with a strategic retreat. A step backward is okay as long as it is accompanied with several steps forward.
Take the long view.
Work from the bottom up.
Don't let the bastards get you down.
Run your race.
Finish well.
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Thanks, Trap.
::thumbsup::
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Here's some inspiration:
Occupiers kicked out of Iowa coffee shop (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y95Qqpry5co#)
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Are they now occupying jail cells?
;D
And hey, don't anybody get me wrong...I'm all for fighting the leftists on multiple fronts, I may think the political front the weakest and least likely to succeed, but I am involved in my precinct and plan on influencing as many people as possible when our caucus comes up and do whatever I can when I can, and in the end it will be God's will that prevails.
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He's just another Philadelphia lawyer.
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He's just another Philadelphia lawyer. (http://www.redstate.com/erick/2012/01/01/for-all-of-santorums-traditionalism-rhetoric/)
Universal Health Services, on whose board he sat until he left in June of this year, runs a PRIDE Institute in Minnesota. It’s the “nation’s first and leading provider of mental health service to the gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered community.”
Ironically, given Santorum’s strong comments on “homosexual acts,” according to the PRIDE Institute, its exclusive focus on the gay community is necessary because “the society in which we live marginalizes the LGBT community” with “negative covert and overt messages about the gay and lesbian lifestyle.”
In fact, the PRIDE Institute brands the kind of language Santorum used “heterorsexism.”
We shouldn’t however, hold it against Santorum. Often when principle and paycheck come in conflict, paycheck wins. Principle does not always feed a family. A whole lot of people have the same thing happen.
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ETA: He is a skank. With concern he has neglected to tell the voters of Iowa about
this important part of his life.
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Fifty years ago homos were considered perverts and ranked right up there with pedophiles . I suppose in another fifty years ( or sooner ) pedophiles will be considered normal .
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I think it's sooner SH, look at the Penn St riots/rallies!
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If I were to encounter a pedophile n the act, I would kill them, regardless of whether society condones their behavior or not. Not so, homos. Let them defile each other for all I care.
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It is surprising (and disappointing) to see what actions (or lack thereof) are exhibited by people in certain situations, isn't it?!
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It is surprising (and disappointing) to see what actions (or lack thereof) are exhibited by people in certain situations, isn't it?!
It's negligent and sickening.
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And hey, don't anybody get me wrong...I'm all for fighting the leftists on multiple fronts, I may think the political front the weakest and least likely to succeed
I would argue it has already failed. There is nobody running for Pres. that has what we need. Nobody.
The Senate races are still important, to a point, but I have two small children, a job ( for now) and limited resources. I am not going to spend a whole lot of time pushing on the political front for what are ultimately small and temporary gains - especially using a system where the establishment has been corrupted enough to keep a Romney (or Gingrich, or Santorum etc) on the ballot. Its simply accepted as axiomatic that Big Government is required to be elected, because you must buy votes, and that will not change until the economic picture makes that impossible.
My efforts are much better spent prepping for the economic collapse and the now inevitable World War. If someone actually starts shooting liberals and taking over governmental offices, and a genuine civil war/revolution starts let me know. Otherwise, I am better off getting the PV system on-line and learning how to grow enough food in the greenhouse.