It's About Liberty: A Conservative Forum
Topics => Politics/Legislation/Elections => Topic started by: IronDioPriest on January 12, 2012, 11:32:53 AM
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We spend a lot of time and energy chronicling the transgressions of the establishment GOP against conservatism. We have suggested that the GOP establishment is little more than an enabler of the Leftists who intend to tear down this country.
Of all the candidates, which one would do the most damage to that GOP establishment machine? Which candidate would do more to put the party back in the hands of the people? Which candidate would do more to undermine the ruling class?
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::rolllaughing:: Well, I voted paul again...... he would buck the establishment, if any were left from the nuke fallout.
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I think Paul would buck it the most but he would receive the most kickback.
He has never worked and played well with others, especially his own team.
He works and plays well with Dennis Kucinich.
Perry is the only candidate who has said "he wants to make the federal government
as inconsequential in your lives as possible". Again, the proof is in the pudding.
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Iconcur. Paul would do the most damage- to all sides.
Ron Paul 2012: Because its the best way to punish the GOP for what they have done.
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Karl Rove's head would truly explode if Ron Paul wins the nomination. But it means the Republican establishment would work overtime to sabotage their own nominee in the general election. Their power will not be easily wrested either.
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Karl Rove's head would truly explode if Ron Paul wins the nomination.
My, would I love to see Karl Rove's head explode.
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::rolllaughing:: Well, I voted paul again...... he would buck the establishment, if any were left from the nuke fallout.
Can't put it any better ::laughonfloor::
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Karl Rove's head would truly explode if Ron Paul wins the nomination.
My, would I love to see Karl Rove's head explode.
About the only good outcome I can see it that entire scenario...
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Karl Rove's head would truly explode if Ron Paul wins the nomination.
My, would I love to see Karl Rove's head explode.
About the only good outcome I can see it that entire scenario...
I think we are long past the point of looking for "good outcomes" - Now its just a matter of how bad it will be.
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Karl Rove's head would truly explode if Ron Paul wins the nomination.
My, would I love to see Karl Rove's head explode.
About the only good outcome I can see it that entire scenario...
I think we are long past the point of looking for "good outcomes" - Now its just a matter of how bad it will be.
The only real debate is one over timing...as in how much we got left!
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I think the latest fast and furious run to the Left by Obama and the current ilk is only that which has made us acutely aware of our country's peril. It may seem like a sudden peril, but it's really not. I think if any of us had the ability to step back and look at things, we'd find that the point of no return was actually crossed quite some time ago, before anything felt urgent.
Disaster is coming. The best thing anyone can do now is to make preparations for it, to the best of your ability. Defeatist? Pessimistic? No, more like realistic. We as a society spent too much time luxuriating in what was bought for us by our predecessors, and not enough time keeping our eye on the ball. Now we're all about to pay for that failure. We can vote for Mitt in November if it makes us feel better, and I will, but it's unlikely to change anything. Far too little and far too late.
Keep your head down and your powder dry. It may be a disaster but it doesn't have to be a permanent one.
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I heard someone say tonight - maybe on Napolitano? - that Ron Paul was in the race till the end. Does he have the money? I will send money if I can find where to do it, because I want to keep him in the pulpit as long as possible. He is spot on about the economy and the Constitution, and the electorate needs to hear him. His foreign policy is even beginning to make sense to me. Certainly as much as Obama's...no... more. It's more in keeping with what the founders had in mind. Would "They" attack us if Paul were elected? Are They just waiting for us to elect an "isolationist" so They can pounce? I don't think so. I think the DOD is what's keeping us safe during this administration's terrifying tenure anyway.
The stakes are just so high now that I'm willing to take a big risk to get the country back on track. WHAT AM I SAYING? Well, yes, I'm saying Obama is ruining us with his energy policy (his no-energy policy), his tax policy, his spending policy, his wretched overreach in all departments, including the ever-proliferating agencies, and Mitt is going to do the same thing, only slower.
But...RON PAUL? REALLY? Better give a lot of thought to his vice-president. He can't be replaced - there's no one like him. If he survived 8 years, we might try running Rand next, I suppose, but we still need somebody to step in if he dies in office. I know - Gary Johnson!
Well, it is late at night here on the east coast, and I may be starting to hallucinate. Or I've already gone to sleep - I'm dreaming the impossible dream.
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Choosing Ron Paul is like using Drano to clear your throat .
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May be what we need
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Tebow!
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Choosing Ron Paul is like using Drano to clear your throat .
I'd liken it more to a salad tongs, but I get your point.
But I'm to the point where I find Mitt Romney to be far less palatable. At least Paul loves and respects the constitution, even though his interpretation of it regarding foreign policy is completely whacked. If Mitt Romney recited the constitution to me verbatim right now, there is no way he could convince me he didn't read it for the first time yesterday. The guy is a serial liar, and a habitual opportunist. If he is really sailing to the nomination like everyone says he is, then I'm shocked to hear myself say that I will support Paul until there is a winner. South Carolina will tell the tale.
Conservatives are looking for someone to coalesce behind to keep Romney from the nomination. They've all flamed out but Paul, and they are all splitting the conservative vote and allowing him to cruise to victory.
Perhaps it's time to put a Libertarian up against a Marxist and see what the American people really want.
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Two things everybody agrees upon,
(1) the GOP establishment needs to be deconstructed and
(2) Ron Paul is the most likely candidate to damage the GOP
establishment.
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Two things everybody agrees upon,
(1) the GOP establishment needs to be deconstructed and
(2) Ron Paul is the most likely candidate to damage the GOP
establishment.
I don't know about everybody, but that's where I'm finding myself, thanks to the GOP establishment and Mitt Romney. I feel like my choice has been taken away. I would have supported Palin, or Bachmann, or Paul Ryan, or perhaps some other adequately conservative person not declared. But they destroyed the ones they found unsuitable, and convinced others like Ryan not to run. Now I'm left with having the unprincipled liberal Romney shoved down my throat while Gingrich, Santorum, and Perry divide the conservative vote, or throwing my support behind the guy who's so damned conservative he turns conservatism inside out and upside down to prove it.
I am dreadfully unhappy with this situation. At just the moment in American history when the nation needed a conservative to lead us away from National Socialism, the GOP has failed the country. I am not surprised, but after 2010, I had hope. Now my hope is in destroying the GOP establishment from the inside, and praying that it's not too late for my children and grandchildren to live in the free nation I was blessed with.
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::rolllaughing:: Well, I voted paul again...... he would buck the establishment, if any were left from the nuke fallout.
Based on a true story.
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::rolllaughing:: Well, I voted paul again...... he would buck the establishment, if any were left from the nuke fallout.
Based on a true story.
What comes around.
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Two things everybody agrees upon,
(1) the GOP establishment needs to be deconstructed and
(2) Ron Paul is the most likely candidate to damage the GOP
establishment.
I don't know about everybody, but that's where I'm finding myself, thanks to the GOP establishment and Mitt Romney. I feel like my choice has been taken away. I would have supported Palin, or Bachmann, or Paul Ryan, or perhaps some other adequately conservative person not declared. But they destroyed the ones they found unsuitable, and convinced others like Ryan not to run. Now I'm left with having the unprincipled liberal Romney shoved down my throat while Gingrich, Santorum, and Perry divide the conservative vote, or throwing my support behind the guy who's so damned conservative he turns conservatism inside out and upside down to prove it.
I am dreadfully unhappy with this situation. At just the moment in American history when the nation needed a conservative to lead us away from National Socialism, the GOP has failed the country. I am not surprised, but after 2010, I had hope. Now my hope is in destroying the GOP establishment from the inside, and praying that it's not too late for my children and grandchildren to live in the free nation I was blessed with.
At the beginning of this season I looked forward to a heady contest between
Bachmann, Cain and Perry, then, as Pandora said, "they started talking".
At this point, in this thread, I'm enthusiastic about Paul running through
the Party with a monkey wrench.
We, the Tea Party, and public opinion polls have told congress they are not
representing us. They've told us they intend to do as they please. The only
two candidates who have consistently proved they will do as they say are Perry
and Paul. I don't think Perry is going to pull out of his dive ::sad:: so I will enjoy
the thought of Ron (the Tasmanian Devil) Paul wreaking havoc on the statist GOP.
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Just remember to cover your bets!
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Yeah, dangerous thoughts but...
Mytch McConnell ::asskicking::
John Boehner ::asskicking::
all the other hijacking SOBs ::asskicking::
seeking short relief from bastards in the (R) Party facilitating
destruction of our Republic is so attractive.
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Let's put it this way, we cannot begin to restore this Republic until the GOP is dealt with. By dealt with, I mean something that neuters its current gaggle of apparatchiks at the top. Personally I would like to see the party consigned to the ash heap of history, because the effort to take it over from within or "push" it in a conservative direction has failed. They are at this point just openly defying the very people who gave them their historic congressional victory in 2010.
It's a pity that we as conservatives have waited until the stakes are so high before doing something about our milquetoast "representatives". For a long time now they've calculated that they can perennially put up these lame "moderates" and we will toe the party line, voting for them merely on the basis that they're marginally better than Democrats. The trouble is, they have calculated correctly, because that's exactly what we've been doing ever since Bush Sr. in 1988.
The punditry within GOP circles is convinced that it is conventional wisdom that anything other than a moderate will alienate independents and send them running into the waiting arms of the Marxists. It is beyond time that they learn a new conventional wisdom, that anything other than a true conservative will guarantee electoral defeat. These pricks learned nothing from their banishment to the political wilderness. I'm quite willing to see Obama back in the White House if it would help break the back of this decrepit party. At this point it's just so much rearranging of the Titanic's deck chairs anyway.
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Yup, in a year where a strong conservative was desperately needed to sweep in new blood and reverse the course we are on 180 degrees, we get Dwarfs, and we are still stuck with too much of the Ruling Class morons in congress. I agree we need to clean house. It's just that it should have been done a long long time ago. Once the Ruling Class began openly torpedoing Tea Party candidates in favor of protecting their Ruling Class puppets, all illusions as to what element is in control of the GOP should have evaporated. But here we are, still stuck in neutral or drifting in reverse...
Now we have John "the phony conservative" Huntsman endorsing the "one man" who can "defeat Obama"...and lecturing US about our tone! As if servile obedience to leftist definitions of tone and civility are to be adhered to, while our enemies us every art of deceit and fraud against US with impunity!
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/huntsman-takes-shot-at-toxic-gop-race-while-dropping-out/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/huntsman-takes-shot-at-toxic-gop-race-while-dropping-out/)
If people continue to act like sheep, they'll be treated like sheep, and our demise is assured.
I see no desire on the part of sheep to change, so I am naturally skeptical we can stop the ship from sinking.
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If people continue to act like sheep, they'll be treated like sheep, and our demise is assured.
I see no desire on the part of sheep to change, so I am naturally skeptical we can stop the ship from sinking.
As I've said before, stock up on ammo.
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Screw these people and their tone lectures!
How about aiming that charge at the Debbie-Washerwoman-Schtzes of the other party? No? I didn't think so, because the Left considers themselves absolved of the "fault" of extremist rhetoric due to their moral high ground; no point in hectoring the tone-deaf.
Go away and stay away, Huntsman, and take your talk-nice bullspit with you.