Fox also.
Is Santorum going to drop and throw his votes to Newt?
Fox also.
Is Santorum going to drop and throw his votes to Newt?
You would rather Romney get the nomination?
It is highly doubtful Ronmey can win in the nationals.
With Newt we have a 50/50 chance the gNewt will
put the Republic on the road to recovery.
The evangelical problem is over.
After the evangelicals deserted Perry
(unfaithful witches) they have rendered
themselves neuter.
You would rather Romney get the nomination?
It is highly doubtful Ronmey can win in the nationals.
With Newt we have a 50/50 chance the gNewt will
put the Republic on the road to recovery.
The evangelical problem is over.
After the evangelicals deserted Perry
(unfaithful witches) they have rendered
themselves neuter.
...
Why would you write that? Contrary, I believe I've come out full against Romney.
I believe every State's citizens should get to vote among the full slate is all. By the time we in NC get to vote, the candidate has all but been decided.
...
Why would you write that? Contrary, I believe I've come out full against Romney.
I believe every State's citizens should get to vote among the full slate is all. By the time we in NC get to vote, the candidate has all but been decided.
In response to: "Is Santorum going to drop and throw his votes to Newt?", you said,
"I can't say -- not a good political prognosticator -- but I hope not."
That sounded weak toward Newt. I'm more interested in winning the national that a pure democratic [primary]sic election. For that kind of purity we need Bachmann and Perry still in also.
We are at the crossroads, it's cutting time and it's Santorum's time to go gracefully and endorse a Republican who can win the election and a man who is not Mitt.
It's time for Santorum to quit and he should give his endorsement to the gNewt.
He may not do what we want be he will not bend over.
So, no conservative small government types left.
Except Paul who isn't a conservative but is definitely smaller government
I'm tickled as a pig in s**t
I refuse them all
...The Iowa Republican establishment deserves all of the credit for torpedoing the Santorum campaign. Santorum won Iowa and the establishment was able to suppress that fact prior to NH and right up until a day or two (depending on how you count it) before the SC primary. That purposeful deception all but killed off Santorum's rightful early momentum and prevented him from raising the kind of campaign money needed to be competitive in NH and SC...a reverse snowball effect that will culminate in an even bigger "also ran" finish in Florida...
This means that if there is a brokered convention they will be free to support Paul after the first vote. That is, regardless of who you support, reason enough to settle this damn thing early and assure that Romney, Gingrich or Santorum has enough delegates to win the nomination on the first ballot.
...The Iowa Republican establishment deserves all of the credit for torpedoing the Santorum campaign. Santorum won Iowa and the establishment was able to suppress that fact prior to NH and right up until a day or two (depending on how you count it) before the SC primary. That purposeful deception all but killed off Santorum's rightful early momentum and prevented him from raising the kind of campaign money needed to be competitive in NH and SC...a reverse snowball effect that will culminate in an even bigger "also ran" finish in Florida...
I tend to see it that way too Trap. I don't want to come right out and say that it was purposeful without evidence, but is sure stinks that way. The "8 votes behind" mantra was enough to keep Santorum from the benefits of a clear victory, and the weak "Santorum was actually ahead by 34 but we're going to call it a virtual tie because some precincts are missing" BS makes it appear that they were doing whatever they could to blunt his victory once it became apparent.
QuoteThis means that if there is a brokered convention they will be free to support Paul after the first vote. That is, regardless of who you support, reason enough to settle this damn thing early and assure that Romney, Gingrich or Santorum has enough delegates to win the nomination on the first ballot.
Sorry,Trap, but completely disagree.
Even if it went brokered, Paul would still never have enough for the nomination.
I want every last one of them bloody, battered and shown to be unacceptable with the hope that a real conservative can come out of this
If it splits the party, it's needed done for a while now
...The Iowa Republican establishment deserves all of the credit for torpedoing the Santorum campaign. Santorum won Iowa and the establishment was able to suppress that fact prior to NH and right up until a day or two (depending on how you count it) before the SC primary. That purposeful deception all but killed off Santorum's rightful early momentum and prevented him from raising the kind of campaign money needed to be competitive in NH and SC...a reverse snowball effect that will culminate in an even bigger "also ran" finish in Florida...
I tend to see it that way too Trap. I don't want to come right out and say that it was purposeful without evidence, but is sure stinks that way. The "8 votes behind" mantra was enough to keep Santorum from the benefits of a clear victory, and the weak "Santorum was actually ahead by 34 but we're going to call it a virtual tie because some precincts are missing" BS makes it appear that they were doing whatever they could to blunt his victory once it became apparent.
QuoteThis means that if there is a brokered convention they will be free to support Paul after the first vote. That is, regardless of who you support, reason enough to settle this damn thing early and assure that Romney, Gingrich or Santorum has enough delegates to win the nomination on the first ballot.
Sorry,Trap, but completely disagree.
Even if it went brokered, Paul would still never have enough for the nomination.
I want every last one of them bloody, battered and shown to be unacceptable with the hope that a real conservative can come out of this
If it splits the party, it's needed done for a while now
Yes, but the only type of candidate who can emerge from a brokered convention (short of a Paul ambush) is a thoroughly establishment type. Think Jeb Bush, for instance.
I am not willing to exchange the devils we know for those we don't.
So...just why did Gingrich finish so strongly in SC and why might he also have a similar (if perhaps not so overwhelming) finish in Florida?
I think that most of Gingrich's success with the voters has mostly to do with his willingness (some might say "eagerness") to take on the media.
First of all I think that the voters are consciously and subconsciously substituting the media as a sort of Obongo-by-proxy. Sure, there will be plenty of Obongo bashing opportunities in the general election campaign but this is, for all intents and purposes, the warm up for the main event. I believe that the voters are mentally substituting the media for Obongo and (hopefully) rightfully think that Gingrich will show as much eagerness to attack the president when the opportunity is right. Romney, by comparison, is seen as meek and timid for not only ignoring the obnoxiousness of the press but for refusing to criticize Obongo. Romney has repeatedly refused to call Obongo a socialist and said that he believes that the president is just wrong...rather than designate his motives as nefarious.
Secondly...and no less importantly...I believe that most of the voters detest the press as much or more than they despise politicians and lawyers (but I repeat myself). I believe that most of the voters have been waiting for, longing for someone to come along who would give the press the thrashing that they so richly deserve. To say the things that almost all of us have harbored deep within our hearts about the condescending liberal media. Watching Gingrich mop the floor with the various empty headed morons who anchor for the news outlets is wish fulfillment on a grand scale. It's virtually impossible to not cheer him on.
This technique might be copied by Romney and Santorum but (and especially in the case of Romney) I doubt it. Romney doesn't have it in him and I don't think that Santorum is capable of it either. Neither one of them have Gingrich's history with the media. Gingrich was skewered mercilessly during his time as Speaker of the House and he has had many years to think on his revenge. And now he is able to smack one after another out of the park with the added benefit of giving the very visual appearance of relishing the opportunity.
And the funny thing is that (if the stories may be believed) Gingrich is actually quite chummy with the press off the record. They treat him warmly and respectfully off camera but, unlike his predecessors, he knows that it is their job to destroy him when the lights go up. Unlike his predecessors he isn't fooled into believing that the press will treat him nicely if only he sucks up to them enough. Unlike, say McCain, Gingrich is perfectly willing to use the press to his own advantage...turning the tables on them gleefully. The voters are seeing this and (for now anyway) are rewarding it.
To say the things that almost all of us have harbored deep within our hearts about the condescending liberal media. Watching Gingrich mop the floor with the various empty headed morons who anchor for the news outlets is wish fulfillment on a grand scale. It's virtually impossible to not cheer him on.
...This "playing to not lose" strategy of Romney's is beginning to become glaringly obvious to the voters and I don't think that it is inspiring much in the way of confidence...
...I think this is the same deep desire against the establishment Republicans who have gone so far as rigging the Iowa results. We gave them a victory in 2010 and they gave us resentment. They, represented by Romney, started this fight and Newt will take it and feed it to them. If the country's going to go to hell we may as well go there fighting.
...I think this is the same deep desire against the establishment Republicans who have gone so far as rigging the Iowa results. We gave them a victory in 2010 and they gave us resentment. They, represented by Romney, started this fight and Newt will take it and feed it to them. If the country's going to go to hell we may as well go there fighting.
It IS gratifying to see Gingrich hand people's asses to them. But to forget for one moment that Gingrich oozes Republican establishment from every pore will only disappoint in the end.
98.8% reporting (2111/2136)
Gingrich 40.4% 239,682
Romney 27.8% 165,354
Santorum 17.0% 100,968
Paul 13.0 77,293
Establishment they all are.
Don't get me wrong.
I love Newt's performances.
But let's not forget that he is a Wilsonian progressive through and through
If Jeb was the pick of a brokered convention, it's all over anyway
Florida is a reasonably strong state for Mitt Romney. But it's not clear how large his lead is there, even before accounting for anything that might happen tonight.
FiveThirtyEight's current forecast of Florida shows Mr. Romney with 46 percent of the vote there to 25 percent for Newt Gingrich -- a 21-point lead.
Essentially all of the polling data used for the forecast, however, predates the Monday night debate in Myrtle Beach; since then, there has been a dramatic reversal of fortunes in the Republican race. Mr. Romney lost 15 points off his national polling lead in the Gallup national tracking poll over this period. There has been an even larger swing -- a net of about 21 points between Mr. Romney and Mr. Gingrich -- in South Carolina.
If the Florida polls have swung as much as the national polls during the past several days, Mr. Romney would have only about a five-point lead there now. And if the Florida polls have swung as much as the South Carolina polls have during the last week, Mr. Gingrich and Mr. Romney would now be essentially tied.
- Nate Silver
I mentioned earlier tonight that polls showing Mitt Romney with a large lead in Florida need to be interpreted carefully, since they were conducted before Mr. Gingrich's surge in national and South Carolina polls over the past week. During this time, Mr. Gingrich has gained somewhere between 15 and 25 points on Mr. Romney by different measures, roughly matching Mr. Romney's lead in the Florida polls.
Now, Mr. Gingrich has additional momentum after his clear win in South Carolina tonight.
The betting market Intrade, making inferences in the absence of polling, now gives Mr. Romney about a 60 percent chance of winning Florida and Mr. Gingrich a 40 percent chance.
That looks roughly correct to me. My guess is that if Mr. Romney and Mr. Gingrich are roughly tied in the Florida polls once we get fresh data, Mr. Romney would be the slight favorite to win the state because of his advantages in advertising dollars and early voting. And the bounce from winning a primary can sometimes fade over a matter of days.
However, given his big win tonight, it is also possible that Mr. Gingrich will lead Mr. Romney once new polls are released there. If he starts out with a cushion of three to five points over Mr. Romney, for instance, his position there will look more robust.
- Nate Silver
QuoteThis means that if there is a brokered convention they will be free to support Paul after the first vote. That is, regardless of who you support, reason enough to settle this damn thing early and assure that Romney, Gingrich or Santorum has enough delegates to win the nomination on the first ballot.
Sorry,Trap, but completely disagree.
Even if it went brokered, Paul would still never have enough for the nomination.
I want every last one of them bloody, battered and shown to be unacceptable with the hope that a real conservative can come out of this
If it splits the party, it's needed done for a while now
I had my misgivings about all of our candidates, that is until Newt came out swinging. Any American that can articulate the conservative message, with passion, will get my vote. Newt is that American. We the people have to help future President Gingrich by removing all the career lawyers that have kidnapped our Congress. If we can give Newt a majority in the Senate, and a bigger majority in the House, then America will have a chance. Newt may be a lot of things, but, he has proven that he loves and understands America, her history and her future. He will take the good fight to the enemies of America. That alone should be reason enough to support him.
QuoteThis means that if there is a brokered convention they will be free to support Paul after the first vote. That is, regardless of who you support, reason enough to settle this damn thing early and assure that Romney, Gingrich or Santorum has enough delegates to win the nomination on the first ballot.
Sorry,Trap, but completely disagree.
Even if it went brokered, Paul would still never have enough for the nomination.
I want every last one of them bloody, battered and shown to be unacceptable with the hope that a real conservative can come out of this
If it splits the party, it's needed done for a while now
It's way too early to be talking about a brokered convention which , quite frankly , the MSM and Democrats are hoping for .
Seriously, this is one of the best threads ever at It's About Liberty. Let me summarize why:
There are those here who do not support Newt and those who do not support Romney. Many conservative readers here were hoping for a true Reagan conservative, such as Bachman, to their understandable disappointment. All of the reasons for and against the candidates have been reasonably and thoughtfully stated, without personally attacking the author.
I think we all resent having an establishment RINO shoved down out collective throats by a combination of Democratic controlled media picking the weakest sister, to the northeastern Republican elites bestowing the benefits of a moderate deal maker. No thanks.
I am resigned to take Newt, with all of his baggage and personal failings, simply because he will fight. Romney? He is more interested in making nice with the opposition.
That, my friends, is why the former speaker gets my full unenthusiastic support.
Seriously, this is one of the best threads ever at It's About Liberty. Let me summarize why:
There are those here who do not support Newt and those who do not support Romney. Many conservative readers here were hoping for a true Reagan conservative, such as Bachman, to their understandable disappointment. All of the reasons for and against the candidates have been reasonably and thoughtfully stated, without personally attacking the author.
I think we all resent having an establishment RINO shoved down out collective throats by a combination of Democratic controlled media picking the weakest sister, to the northeastern Republican elites bestowing the benefits of a moderate deal maker. No thanks.
I am resigned to take Newt, with all of his baggage and personal failings, simply because he will fight. Romney? He is more interested in making nice with the opposition.
That, my friends, is why the former speaker gets my full unenthusiastic support.
Anyone who emerges from the primaries as the nominee will get my unenthusiastic support.
I am crazy about none of them but Obongo must be defeated.
And, right on schedule, the GOP establishment long knives have come out against Newt.
Right now on DailyCaller (http://dailycaller.com):
Hume: GOP Congress 'Terrified', Says legislators will be 'terrified to run' with Gingrich, will 'try to defeat him' [VIDEO]
TheDC: Christie on Gingrich's past: 'Newt Gingrich has embarrassed the party' [VIDEO]
TheDC: Coulter: 'With Newt Gingrich you throw out the baby and keep the bath water' [VIDEO
And probably one the biggest knives out today:
John Kass: Bullying blowhard Newt lacks restraint to be real conservative (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/ct-met-kass-0122-20120122,0,941553.column)
...the notion of a terrified GOP Congress made me laugh. What aren't they terrified of, including their own shadow? We, the voters who gave them their majority, seem to be the only thing they aren't terrified of. Time for that to change.
Just call it the way we see it, they are establishment whores and they should be frightened, the more frightened they are the better off we are!
Just call it the way we see it, they are establishment whores and they should be frightened, the more frightened they are the better off we are!
Of course they are terrified. If Newt becomes president
Myth McConnell and John Boehner will be back benchers
at best. Also, expect Michele Bachmann, Paul Ryan,
Rand Paul and others like minded folks to chair committees.
In his speech (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,4573.0.html) he praised Ron Paul's efforts toward America
having a sound dollar. It would not surprise me if he put
Paul in charge of the Fed or a similar position.
And, right on schedule, the GOP establishment long knives have come out against Newt.
Right now on DailyCaller (http://dailycaller.com):
Hume: GOP Congress 'Terrified', Says legislators will be 'terrified to run' with Gingrich, will 'try to defeat him' [VIDEO]
TheDC: Christie on Gingrich's past: 'Newt Gingrich has embarrassed the party' [VIDEO]
TheDC: Coulter: 'With Newt Gingrich you throw out the baby and keep the bath water' [VIDEO
And probably one the biggest knives out today:
John Kass: Bullying blowhard Newt lacks restraint to be real conservative (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/ct-met-kass-0122-20120122,0,941553.column)
Yep, Newt is a real champion of conservatism.
Favors the individual mandate (still)
Sat with Piglosi on the couch.
Lots more
He'll save us from Obama.
Sorry guys.
Newt will be good for entertainment but not much for liberty and smaller government.
I'm checking out the Constitution Party
Even Hugh Hewitt - who's been shilling for Mitt Romney for 6 years - get's it. (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/288824/ball-floridas-court-now-hugh-hewitt)
In 2006 he favored censoring the internet
http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-...eb-111756.html (http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-...eb-111756.html)
I emailed a strong Romney supporter this week that I was disappointed at Romney’s absence from talk radio, his lack of extended conversations on-air with the conservative electorate unmediated by MSM figures. When the platforms are available to speak directly to conservative voters and you are not using them, you are missing opportunities.
QuoteI emailed a strong Romney supporter this week that I was disappointed at Romney’s absence from talk radio, his lack of extended conversations on-air with the conservative electorate unmediated by MSM figures. When the platforms are available to speak directly to conservative voters and you are not using them, you are missing opportunities.
He's still shilling but he does understand part of the magnetic attraction to Newt.
For many, there is the visceral understanding that Newt is now the logical choice
and he doesn't get that.
Let's see if this one works
http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2012/01/in-gingrich-backed-censoring-the-web-111756.html (http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2012/01/in-gingrich-backed-censoring-the-web-111756.html)
I don't equate concern for your country in regards to safety and terrorism vs the support of this latest bill. He was speaking about safety, not shutting down some pirated site or hollywoods "intellectual property" being stolen.
I equate newts stance with the inability to shout "fire" in a theater. The article doesn't read as sinister as we are led to believe by a media who will attach to anything to discredit him.
He forgets that Mitt was endorced by McCain!! Need I say more??
Glenn Beck will go on the air in another five minutes.
I think there is a reasonable expectation that he will go apoplectic regarding Newt's SC results and the resultant momentum.
People think a brawler like Newt has a better chance at defeating Obama and I cannot disagree with that basic point.
QuotePeople think a brawler like Newt has a better chance at defeating Obama and I cannot disagree with that basic point.
This brawler also has a better chance of bringing more brawlers with him
to congress and rend asunder this plague that's been foisted upon us.He screwed Bill and Hillary's utopian plans he can dissect these bureaucracies.
If Boehner had followed his example we wouldn't be in the shape we are in.
I listened to a few minutes of Beck this morning......Frankly, I'm gonna give myself a break because he is this close to calling people stupid for thier support of Newt.
Romney is supposed to be electable… but he’s also kind of pointless. And Newt… well, he’s going to be a challenge. And he might not even be that good as president as he fancies himself an intellectual which I distrust. It’s like Sophie’s Choice if Sophie didn’t really like either of her kids.
I really think that unless Gingrich has had a conservative epiphany, we're in for a world of hurt if he becomes president. We think Boehner and McConnell have undermined conservatism going forward, I fear we haven't seen anything like we will if Gingrich becomes president.
QuoteI really think that unless Gingrich has had a conservative epiphany, we're in for a world of hurt if he becomes president. We think Boehner and McConnell have undermined conservatism going forward, I fear we haven't seen anything like we will if Gingrich becomes president.
That may be Newt's left hand. His right hand did the Contract for America, killed
Hillary Care (which was every bit as bad as ObamaCare), foiled the democrats by
daily special orders on the floor, stopped homosexual integration in the military,
cinched Clinton's profligate spending and caused a balanced budget.
He's not safe, he's a wildcard and hired gun but he's not a company man and the other two are but how safe will we be with them?
The more the Rinos go after him the more he will make sure they live to regret it in a Gingrich presidency.
QuoteI really think that unless Gingrich has had a conservative epiphany, we're in for a world of hurt if he becomes president. We think Boehner and McConnell have undermined conservatism going forward, I fear we haven't seen anything like we will if Gingrich becomes president.
That may be Newt's left hand. His right hand did the Contract for America, killed
Hillary Care (which was every bit as bad as ObamaCare), foiled the democrats by
daily special orders on the floor, stopped homosexual integration in the military,
cinched Clinton's profligate spending and caused a balanced budget.
He's not safe, he's a wildcard and hired gun but he's not a company man and the other two are but how safe will we be with them?
The more the Rinos go after him the more he will make sure they live to regret it in a Gingrich presidency.