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Title: Obama: ‘If You’ve Got a Business —
Post by: Pandora on July 14, 2012, 09:44:10 PM
You Didn’t Build That. Somebody Else Made That Happen’ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/president-obama-if-youve-got-a-business-you-didnt-build-that-somebody-else-made-that-happen/)

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“Channeling Elizabeth Warren,” .... Barack Obama said that successful Americans “didn’t get there” on their own.

The official transcript relates:

    There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me — because they want to give something back.  They know they didn’t — look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own.  You didn’t get there on your own.  I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart.  There are a lot of smart people out there.  It must be because I worked harder than everybody else.  Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.  [Emphasis added]

He continued:

    If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.  There was a great teacher somewhere in your life.  Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive.  Somebody invested in roads and bridges.  If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that.  Somebody else made that happen.  The Internet didn’t get invented on its own.  Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet. [Emphasis added]

Watch a clip of the remarks, via C-SPAN (the clip begins with Obama’s declaration that we asked the wealthy to pay more taxes during the Clinton administration, and did better for it):

... I suppose this is the part where you [Barack Obama] remind them that when you jack up their taxes, it’s really just so you can give that money back to all the other people who actually built their business. But seriously, this is straight off the pages of Elizabeth Warren’s mind bending remarks from early this year. Those came crashing down around her ears, even in some Left leaning circles, so it’s a serious puzzler as to why Barack Obama would try to pick up that ball and run with it. Rather revealing, though.

The gall, the temerity, the arrogance ..........
Title: Re: Obama: ‘If You’ve Got a Business —
Post by: trapeze on July 14, 2012, 10:13:33 PM
...the utter stupidity.

Who coaches this imbecile on how to campaign?

This could be good for losing a whole point in favorability/job approval ratings...something he can't afford.

In a few years there will be mountains of books written about O'Bongo's 2012 campaign and how screwed up it was and how important it is to never, ever run an operation like this again.
Title: Re: Obama: ‘If You’ve Got a Business —
Post by: Glock32 on July 15, 2012, 03:31:34 AM
It's demonstrably wrong on so many levels. But it's also telling, because it reveals the mindset of losers trying to feel better about themselves by convincing each other that accomplished people couldn't have done it without walking on everyone else's backs.

What they can't bear to hear is the fact that the truly accomplished people throughout history have been so in spite of, not because of, the teeming masses.
Title: Re: Obama: ‘If You’ve Got a Business —
Post by: warpmine on July 15, 2012, 08:04:55 AM
Bring down the successful producers to make the takers feel good. Everyone gets a trophy.. It all points in the direction of atheists who cannot have anyone to thank for their successes but the benevolent government so they announce, no proclaim that the successful get that way not because of dedication to God's principles of hard work and reward but because the all seeing, powerful government had a helping hand.

I tell you all, after being part of this community for over two years, I've broadened my horizons  quite a bit and it's all led to the realization that this country's leaders are marching us al toward totalitarianism like nothing in history seen before. ::outrage::
Title: Re: Obama: ‘If You’ve Got a Business —
Post by: IronDioPriest on July 15, 2012, 08:31:03 AM
What they can't bear to hear is the fact that the truly accomplished people throughout history have been so in spite of, not because of, the teeming masses.

Brings to mind:

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Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded — here and there, now and then — are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty.
This is known as "bad luck."
[blockquote]-Heinlein[/blockquote]
Title: Re: Obama: ‘If You’ve Got a Business —
Post by: Libertas on July 15, 2012, 12:02:02 PM
Reality is not optional.  Time to stop the engine of the world yet?
Title: Re: Obama: ‘If You’ve Got a Business —
Post by: trapeze on July 16, 2012, 10:23:51 PM
I am pleased to see after 24 hours that this nonsense is pretty much being universally panned in all but the most liberal cesspools.

This is yet another step downward for his campaign.

One wonders just how far down he can go.
Title: Re: Obama: ‘If You’ve Got a Business —
Post by: LadyVirginia on July 16, 2012, 10:37:32 PM
I am pleased to see after 24 hours that this nonsense is pretty much being universally panned in all but the most liberal cesspools.

This is yet another step downward for his campaign.

One wonders just how far down he can go.

Far I hope.  I got the  ::popcorn:: ready and I want to enjoy the show.
Title: Re: Obama: ‘If You’ve Got a Business —
Post by: Glock32 on July 17, 2012, 12:02:08 AM
Rush touched on this as well, how the circularity of their reasoning reveals something else about them, their blithe assumption that everything begins with the state. It never even occurs to them that roads and bridges are built in response to a demand, a demand to facilitate economic activity. The economic activity preexists the state's efforts at facilitating it, and in fact preexists the state itself.

As to the breathtaking arrogance these people possess, it just underscores the fact that we're at a major branching point in our history. We cannot continue to coexist with them. At this point the choice is either defeating them or surrendering to them.
Title: Re: Obama: ‘If You’ve Got a Business —
Post by: Sectionhand on July 17, 2012, 04:11:49 AM
There's nothing I can say about this stupid bastard which hasn't already been said .   ::oldman::
Title: Re: Obama: ‘If You’ve Got a Business —
Post by: Libertas on July 17, 2012, 07:00:08 AM
Rush touched on this as well, how the circularity of their reasoning reveals something else about them, their blithe assumption that everything begins with the state. It never even occurs to them that roads and bridges are built in response to a demand, a demand to facilitate economic activity. The economic activity preexists the state's efforts at facilitating it, and in fact preexists the state itself.

As to the breathtaking arrogance these people possess, it just underscores the fact that we're at a major branching point in our history. We cannot continue to coexist with them. At this point the choice is either defeating them or surrendering to them.

Too many people do not see it that way, and that is the main stumbling block to effecting real movement to end all such contact with the traitors within forever.

Obama is assuming more and more dictatorial control over the populace, yet people see things as merely a political issue.  Politics is dead, it has failed utterly, there is no going back to things as they once were, it simply is impossible, there are too may statist hurdles in place to ever make that a reality no matter how much we really believe or how much we really want it.  Short of purging the GOP of all RINO's, Rovian's, moderates and sundry impure conservatives and controlling all branches of government for 40 years, there is simply no way to eliminate every single nefarious tentacle the statists have built.  I just do not believe it possible.  And overcoming the majority of American's who would refuse that kind of action and those who are oblivious to the need is an immense burden to overcome.

In the face of what we have seen just the past 3 1/2 years, if the people we half as interested in liberty as we think they should be, there wouldn't be a single democrat (especially the SCoaMF!) within 30 points in any political contest.  Politics is polarized, balkanized and impotent to overcome our ills.  It is part of the problem, not part of the solution.  I'm weary of pretending otherwise and even more tired trying to convince the ignorati out there otherwise.
Title: Re: Obama: ‘If You’ve Got a Business —
Post by: Weisshaupt on July 17, 2012, 08:00:59 AM
As to the breathtaking arrogance these people possess, it just underscores the fact that we're at a major branching point in our history. We cannot continue to coexist with them. At this point the choice is either defeating them or surrendering to them.

Too many people do not see it that way, and that is the main stumbling block to effecting real movement to end all such contact with the traitors within forever.

... overcoming the majority of American's who would refuse that kind of action and those who are oblivious to the need is an immense burden to overcome.

I came to this conclusion at least a year back. These people aren't interested in coexistence or in freedom. They are part of a Borg like collective. Right and Wrong are determined by what their leaders tell them  advances their agenda, and nothing more. They do not and CANNOT think for themselves. They are trapped in a neanderthal tribal ethic and they just know that the good of the community trumps the good of the individual, and anyone with more berries must be hoarding them from the tribe.  The very concept of private property and growing your own Berry bush eludes them as foreign and crazy. The Tribal leader takes care of his people - a government whose responsibly and scope is limited to providing a framework for free men is incomprehensible to them.  We know that the Rule of Law, property rights and Liberty are the foundation of modern civilization, and we know what happens when those pillars supporting the edifice are removed.  The majority of Americans oblivious to this fact will very shortly be made aware of it, as the government becomes ever more intrusive, and their standard of living drops like a stone. All I have to say is this is the change you voted for.  I personally have cut off all communication with Liberals - even my own nuclear family.  (except  my co-workers, as I have decided to keep my position till tax year 2014 in order to finish prep and re-establish myself in a self-sufficient way ) Liberals can not be your friend.  You disagree with them and that makes you a "hater"-  the liberal tribal word for "outsider" - and therefore you have no rights. They feel self-righteously  justified in bullying you, stealing from you and sending you to a gas chamber if need be.

I hope the mass starvation brought on by their own policies will kill  most of them 
Title: Re: Obama: ‘If You’ve Got a Business —
Post by: warpmine on July 17, 2012, 08:28:06 AM
As to the breathtaking arrogance these people possess, it just underscores the fact that we're at a major branching point in our history. We cannot continue to coexist with them. At this point the choice is either defeating them or surrendering to them.

Too many people do not see it that way, and that is the main stumbling block to effecting real movement to end all such contact with the traitors within forever.

... overcoming the majority of American's who would refuse that kind of action and those who are oblivious to the need is an immense burden to overcome.

I came to this conclusion at least a year back. These people aren't interested in coexistence or in freedom. They are part of a Borg like collective. Right and Wrong are determined by what their leaders tell them  advances their agenda, and nothing more. They do not and CANNOT think for themselves. They are trapped in a neanderthal tribal ethic and they just know that the good of the community trumps the good of the individual, and anyone with more berries must be hoarding them from the tribe.  The very concept of private property and growing your own Berry bush eludes them as foreign and crazy. The Tribal leader takes care of his people - a government whose responsibly and scope is limited to providing a framework for free men is incomprehensible to them.  We know that the Rule of Law, property rights and Liberty are the foundation of modern civilization, and we know what happens when those pillars supporting the edifice are removed.  The majority of Americans oblivious to this fact will very shortly be made aware of it, as the government becomes ever more intrusive, and their standard of living drops like a stone. All I have to say is this is the change you voted for.  I personally have cut off all communication with Liberals - even my own nuclear family.  (except  my co-workers, as I have decided to keep my position till tax year 2014 in order to finish prep and re-establish myself in a self-sufficient way ) Liberals can not be your friend.  You disagree with them and that makes you a "hater"-  the liberal tribal word for "outsider" - and therefore you have no rights. They feel self-righteously  justified in bullying you, stealing from you and sending you to a gas chamber if need be.

I hope the mass starvation brought on by their own policies will kill  most of them 
Damn fine analysis. ::thumbsup::
Title: Re: Obama: ‘If You’ve Got a Business —
Post by: IronDioPriest on July 17, 2012, 08:51:50 AM
Still, they give this piece of human scat the benefit of the doubt. But at least in the process, they touch on a valid point.

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Cooperation Is What Markets Are For, Not Governments (http://blog.skepticallibertarian.com/2012/07/16/cooperation-is-what-markets-are-for-not-governments/)

"At this point in his presidency, the statist subtext to President Obama’s remarks is clear. But his values–rather than his conclusions–are right on [bullsh*t]. Although he overstated the case [bullsh*t], his essential point is what free market advocates have argued for years [bullsh*t]—that prosperity depends not just on individual initiative, but cooperation and exchange. Conceding these values to a president who has led the charge against these very ideals pigeonholes conservatives and libertarians into a clichéd version of individualism in which cooperation plays a secondary, rather than primary, role in markets. Cooperation and working together is not part of the market—it is the market." [right on]
Title: Re: Obama: ‘If You’ve Got a Business —
Post by: Libertas on July 17, 2012, 11:41:51 AM
As to the breathtaking arrogance these people possess, it just underscores the fact that we're at a major branching point in our history. We cannot continue to coexist with them. At this point the choice is either defeating them or surrendering to them.

Too many people do not see it that way, and that is the main stumbling block to effecting real movement to end all such contact with the traitors within forever.

... overcoming the majority of American's who would refuse that kind of action and those who are oblivious to the need is an immense burden to overcome.

I came to this conclusion at least a year back. These people aren't interested in coexistence or in freedom. They are part of a Borg like collective. Right and Wrong are determined by what their leaders tell them  advances their agenda, and nothing more. They do not and CANNOT think for themselves. They are trapped in a neanderthal tribal ethic and they just know that the good of the community trumps the good of the individual, and anyone with more berries must be hoarding them from the tribe.  The very concept of private property and growing your own Berry bush eludes them as foreign and crazy. The Tribal leader takes care of his people - a government whose responsibly and scope is limited to providing a framework for free men is incomprehensible to them.  We know that the Rule of Law, property rights and Liberty are the foundation of modern civilization, and we know what happens when those pillars supporting the edifice are removed.  The majority of Americans oblivious to this fact will very shortly be made aware of it, as the government becomes ever more intrusive, and their standard of living drops like a stone. All I have to say is this is the change you voted for.  I personally have cut off all communication with Liberals - even my own nuclear family.  (except  my co-workers, as I have decided to keep my position till tax year 2014 in order to finish prep and re-establish myself in a self-sufficient way ) Liberals can not be your friend.  You disagree with them and that makes you a "hater"-  the liberal tribal word for "outsider" - and therefore you have no rights. They feel self-righteously  justified in bullying you, stealing from you and sending you to a gas chamber if need be.

I hope the mass starvation brought on by their own policies will kill  most of them 

Agreed.  I cut off communication with liberal friends years ago.  Liberals themselves don't even have "friends" in how we understand the word, they have allies and enemies.  Refuse them anything and a one time ally will be a new enemy.  I have no use for these locusts, they serve no purpose and provide no value to a free society that respects people, property and belief.  They are already the walking dead to me.  When they do die off it will be of no import to me.
Title: Re: Obama: ‘If You’ve Got a Business —
Post by: Alphabet Soup on July 17, 2012, 02:51:19 PM
As to the breathtaking arrogance these people possess, it just underscores the fact that we're at a major branching point in our history. We cannot continue to coexist with them. At this point the choice is either defeating them or surrendering to them.

Too many people do not see it that way, and that is the main stumbling block to effecting real movement to end all such contact with the traitors within forever.

... overcoming the majority of American's who would refuse that kind of action and those who are oblivious to the need is an immense burden to overcome.

I came to this conclusion at least a year back. These people aren't interested in coexistence or in freedom. They are part of a Borg like collective. Right and Wrong are determined by what their leaders tell them  advances their agenda, and nothing more. They do not and CANNOT think for themselves. They are trapped in a neanderthal tribal ethic and they just know that the good of the community trumps the good of the individual, and anyone with more berries must be hoarding them from the tribe.  The very concept of private property and growing your own Berry bush eludes them as foreign and crazy. The Tribal leader takes care of his people - a government whose responsibly and scope is limited to providing a framework for free men is incomprehensible to them.  We know that the Rule of Law, property rights and Liberty are the foundation of modern civilization, and we know what happens when those pillars supporting the edifice are removed.  The majority of Americans oblivious to this fact will very shortly be made aware of it, as the government becomes ever more intrusive, and their standard of living drops like a stone. All I have to say is this is the change you voted for.  I personally have cut off all communication with Liberals - even my own nuclear family.  (except  my co-workers, as I have decided to keep my position till tax year 2014 in order to finish prep and re-establish myself in a self-sufficient way ) Liberals can not be your friend.  You disagree with them and that makes you a "hater"-  the liberal tribal word for "outsider" - and therefore you have no rights. They feel self-righteously  justified in bullying you, stealing from you and sending you to a gas chamber if need be.

I hope the mass starvation brought on by their own policies will kill  most of them 

This is good.

In line with this is my total indifference to whatever the "F" leftists feeeeeeeeeel.

I'm going to get some T-shirts made up with the little guy peeing and above that the word "Hater"

Piss on 'em!
Title: Re: Obama: ‘If You’ve Got a Business —
Post by: Sectionhand on July 19, 2012, 04:08:49 AM
Agreed.  I cut off communication with liberal friends years ago.  Liberals themselves don't even have "friends" in how we understand the word, they have allies and enemies.  Refuse them anything and a one time ally will be a new enemy.  I have no use for these locusts, they serve no purpose and provide no value to a free society that respects people, property and belief.  They are already the walking dead to me.  When they do die off it will be of no import to me.

To give some validation to your point , Eleanor Roosevelt once said , " Franklin doesn't have friends . He has cronies . "
Title: Re: Obama: ‘If You’ve Got a Business —
Post by: Libertas on July 19, 2012, 08:26:10 AM
Agreed.  I cut off communication with liberal friends years ago.  Liberals themselves don't even have "friends" in how we understand the word, they have allies and enemies.  Refuse them anything and a one time ally will be a new enemy.  I have no use for these locusts, they serve no purpose and provide no value to a free society that respects people, property and belief.  They are already the walking dead to me.  When they do die off it will be of no import to me.

To give some validation to your point , Eleanor Roosevelt once said , " Franklin doesn't have friends . He has cronies . "

One of the few times I can agree with Eleanor.
Title: Re: Obama: ‘If You’ve Got a Business —
Post by: Libertas on July 19, 2012, 11:28:18 AM
Heh, Mitt's selling t-shirts about this now.

https://www.mittromney.com/donate/built-it-shirt (https://www.mittromney.com/donate/built-it-shirt)
Title: Re: Obama: ‘If You’ve Got a Business —
Post by: charlesoakwood on July 23, 2012, 10:58:26 AM



Let America Be America Again (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqDIjGsBEP8#ws)


Title: Re: Obama: ‘If You’ve Got a Business —
Post by: charlesoakwood on July 24, 2012, 09:27:50 PM

American Crossroads: Build (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae9SjPEsRf0#ws)

Title: Re: Obama: ‘If You’ve Got a Business —
Post by: Libertas on July 24, 2012, 09:50:17 PM
More please.  Much, much more!!!
Title: Re: Obama: ‘If You’ve Got a Business —
Post by: Predator Don on July 24, 2012, 10:54:53 PM

American Crossroads: Build (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae9SjPEsRf0#ws)



Take the TelePrompTer away and we find he is not the smartest man in America.
Title: Re: Obama: ‘If You’ve Got a Business —
Post by: Libertas on July 25, 2012, 07:06:20 AM

American Crossroads: Build (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae9SjPEsRf0#ws)



Take the TelePrompTer away and we find he is not the smartest man in America.

Speaking of which...

If Romney is serious about trouncing the POSOTUS then he needs to set in concrete the following terms for any debates with the SCoaMF:

1)  No teleprompters or notes allowed, period.

2)  No Townhall BS with stacked participants asking asinine questions.

3)  No internet/Twitter or other ignorati dominated BS allowed.

4)  No MTV (or similar) participation, period.

5)  Unlimited candidate veto power over all moderators and panels, we want the blandest of the bland...that way the spotlight will be on the candidates, not the format or the side actors.

6)  I know I won't get this one but I am throwing it in anyway cause I would love to see it - lie detectors wired to each candidate with another set of wires wrapped around their junk in case they lie.

Feel free to add your own, but 1-5 ought to be adopted no matter what!
Title: Re: Obama: ‘If You’ve Got a Business —
Post by: BMG on July 25, 2012, 09:56:38 PM
LINK (http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/240187-obama-campaign-stepping-up-damage-control-over-remark)

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President Obama’s campaign scrambled to combat Republican efforts to highlight his “you didn’t build that” remark — a sign there are concerns the story could have legs far into the election cycle.

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The actions indicate Democrats are concerned the remark could haunt the campaign, especially given the persistent GOP strikes at Obama’s handling of the economy. Republicans have repeatedly knocked the president for not understanding the private sector, and their attacks have been amplified by criticism from business leaders, who were unhappy with Obama’s comment.

“Obama did for Romney what Romney couldn’t do for himself, which is to create a clear contrast and unlock emotions on the key issue of the campaign,” said Republican strategist Ford O’Connell. “It helps Romney with independents, with GOPers and with white, working-class Democrats who needed an economic message that they could rally around.”
Title: Re: Obama: ‘If You’ve Got a Business —
Post by: charlesoakwood on July 25, 2012, 10:15:37 PM

Right on, BMG, check out the complete post on this one.  It will warm your heart.

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http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,2929.msg72490.html#msg72490 (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,2929.msg72490.html#msg72490)

Arch conservative (seriously, he is) Pat Sajak said this about President Zero's "you didn't build that" profundity:

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It's as if President Obama climbed into a tank, put on his helmet, talked about how his foray into Cambodia was seared in his memory, looked at his watch, misspelled "potato" and pardoned Richard Nixon all in the same day. It's fun to imagine the hand-wringing that must be going on within the White House as staffers try to figure out how to undo the damage their boss has done with his anti-entrepenurial riff. Defining moments in politics are strange beasts. Sometimes they're only recognized in hindsight, while sometimes they throw the train off the tracks before a sentence has been completed. Sometimes their effect can be contained and minimized, while sometimes their effect on the political narrative mestastasizes. This one is very bad for the White House.

These defining moments take hold most devastatingly when they confirm what a large portion of the electorate already believes. Taken alone, it seems unfair that a single moment, an unguarded remark or a slip of the tongue can carry such weight. They're often dismissed as "gotcha" moments, but when voters are able to nod and say, "I knew it," these moments stick and do terrible damage. We have witnessed such a moment.


Title: Re: Obama: ‘If You’ve Got a Business —
Post by: Libertas on July 25, 2012, 10:21:36 PM
"...create a clear contrast..."

No sh*t.  Now go tell it to the GOP leadership, if they would only give the Rovian's, RINO's & moderates the boot and run conservative candidates and act like conservatives and not get corrupted by the system perhaps we would stand a chance of defeating the Left once and for all, but they all drank the inclusiveness KoolAid long ago and are not going to change.

Proves the point Rush makes all the time "conservatism wins every time", too bad nobody listens.
Title: Re: Obama: ‘If You’ve Got a Business —
Post by: BMG on July 27, 2012, 01:32:17 PM
Right on, BMG, check out the complete post on this one.  It will warm your heart.

Yup Co! I'm with the crowd that thinks that this 'gaff' by Obumbles (and we all know it wasn't a gaff!) will be the point in history that everyone forevermore points to and recognizes as the beginning of the end of Obama's attempt at a 2nd term. I still agree with Trap in that, Obama's gonna lose and lose big in November. I think the dems as a party are going to see 2010 from their voting booths and cringe. As Trap, I'm also on record as believing that it is going to be a very VERY bad election for the dems. It may even put them out of future political contention for a few election cycles or more (depending on Romney's performance during his administration).

I'm confident of all that.

What scares the crap right out of me however, is the simple fact that we got to a point that enabled the democrats to attain this sort of power over us to begin with. Though I think this election is is going to be good for America - I'm seriously scared about the future.
Title: Re: Obama: ‘If You’ve Got a Business —
Post by: charlesoakwood on August 11, 2012, 07:10:17 PM

Hey, you didn't feed those hogs.

Tom T. Hall - Who's Gonna Feed Them Hogs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDJfd9ufE84#ws)


Title: Re: Obama: ‘If You’ve Got a Business —
Post by: Weisshaupt on August 11, 2012, 07:29:25 PM
It may even put them out of future political contention for a few election cycles or more (depending on Romney's performance during his administration).

They may be throwing it. They have achieved the sort of lasting damage the hoped for. A precedent that allows them to tax you if you don't do as your betters decide you should do- even if doing so violates your inalienable rights. They have a massive new entitlement and passed a stimulus that pretty much will ensure that the damage they did with Freddie and Frannie and the subprime crisis will result in a collapse during the next term.  This is an election for President Scapegoat, the crisis will come, and Romney the liberal shill and the feckless GOP will get the blame,  and the DEMs  will put someone up to play FDR II- and then the country is really  over.
Title: Re: Obama: ‘If You’ve Got a Business —
Post by: warpmine on August 12, 2012, 07:58:52 AM
It matters not, collapse is imminent as the rule of law is dead and has been for a very long time. When those that are charged to keep people's money safe and secure do the exact opposit AND get away with it, nobody's fiat money is safe. The government can and does decide who to prosecute based upon how they feel politically towards that individual. Corzine is just another in a long list of criminals that won't be touched unless you or I decide that we won't put up with this sh*t any longer. ::rockets::
Title: Re: Obama: ‘If You’ve Got a Business —
Post by: John Florida on August 12, 2012, 03:51:42 PM
It matters not, collapse is imminent as the rule of law is dead and has been for a very long time. When those that are charged to keep people's money safe and secure do the exact opposit AND get away with it, nobody's fiat money is safe. The government can and does decide who to prosecute based upon how they feel politically towards that individual. Corzine is just another in a long list of criminals that won't be touched unless you or I decide that we won't put up with this sh*t any longer. ::rockets::


 It's safe to say that we've pretty much decided that,but it's the rest of the country that needs to get with the programme.The sad part is I don't trust them to do it.
Title: Re: Obama: ‘If You’ve Got a Business —
Post by: warpmine on August 12, 2012, 08:37:38 PM
It matters not, collapse is imminent as the rule of law is dead and has been for a very long time. When those that are charged to keep people's money safe and secure do the exact opposit AND get away with it, nobody's fiat money is safe. The government can and does decide who to prosecute based upon how they feel politically towards that individual. Corzine is just another in a long list of criminals that won't be touched unless you or I decide that we won't put up with this sh*t any longer. ::rockets::


 It's safe to say that we've pretty much decided that,but it's the rest of the country that needs to get with the programme.The sad part is I don't trust them to do it.
Agreed, morons most of them and the one that aren't are complicit wanting our destruction. I told my mother the firearms I was stocking up for the coming insurrection and told he that I wasn't planning on letting her or her friends take anymore of my liberty away and furthermore that I fully expected to die fighting taking as many of them to the next world as possible.

It started out well enough as she always looking to give me tips for healthy living to which I replied that I didn't want to live in this world under progressive rule longer than I had to. She then began spouting off about the international banksters wanting to divide and conquer and my reply was "such as black against white, Hispanic vs black, rich vs poor etc...then I said if she was against it all why does she continue to support the thug usurper president that constantly employs these tactics. No, the light bulb didn't come on after that either. I left after politely saying goodbye to my step father a man that I deeply respect after putting up with her incoherent gobbledygook for thirty years.
Title: Re: Obama: ‘If You’ve Got a Business —
Post by: Glock32 on August 12, 2012, 09:14:32 PM
The sad thing is that so many of these people are incapable of recognizing danger until they personally suffer pain and loss. It must be part of the human experience. It's the only explanation I can come up with for why they blithely trod down a road whose destination is plainly pointed out by history.
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Post by: Pandora on August 12, 2012, 09:29:02 PM
The sad thing is that so many of these people are incapable of recognizing danger until they personally suffer pain and loss. It must be part of the human experience. It's the only explanation I can come up with for why they blithely trod down a road whose destination is plainly pointed out by history.

Even then, some don't learn.  They side with their jailers against others.  There were Jews collaborating with the Nazis even in the death camps.
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Post by: charlesoakwood on August 12, 2012, 10:33:13 PM

Nature's checks and balances not a perfect circle but elliptical,
everybody can't be a sheep.  Our responsibility is how good of
a notasheep are we going to be?  I ask to be guided and bolstered
to do whatever I do best and what He wants me to do to help bring
this nation back into Covenant with Him.  I'm really not worried.
Title: Re: Obama: ‘If You’ve Got a Business —
Post by: Weisshaupt on August 13, 2012, 08:51:26 AM
I told my mother the firearms I was stocking up for the coming insurrection and told he that I wasn't planning on letting her or her friends take anymore of my liberty away and furthermore that I fully expected to die fighting taking as many of them to the next world as possible.

It started out well enough as she always looking to give me tips for healthy living to which I replied that I didn't want to live in this world under progressive rule longer than I had to. She then began spouting off about the international banksters wanting to divide and conquer and my reply was "such as black against white, Hispanic vs black, rich vs poor etc...then I said if she was against it all why does she continue to support the thug usurper president that constantly employs these tactics. No, the light bulb didn't come on after that either. I left after politely saying goodbye to my step father a man that I deeply respect after putting up with her incoherent gobbledygook for thirty years.

They don't get they crossed a line they shouldn't have, because they really don't believe they have boundaries in regards to others. My other, who I now don't have anything to do with, was the same. She saw no reason why her tips for "healthy living" shouldn't be imposed on others by the govt if you failed to heed her advice.  She even went into my Step brother's home and threatened to call child services if he decided to leave his child  home without supervision over the summer.  After we bought guns she went into a rant over that- figured that we were going to come kill her in a murderous rampage - because WHAT ELSE ARE GUNS GOOD FOR? The point that we bought them to defend ourselves against her bullying- was lost on her. After all, she should be allowed to bully others, she has good intentions. She couldn't possibly be the cause of the dividing. We must all be one herd, all following the same rules, and having the same values - because there is safety in numbers. They know the boat is sinking, but they are happier to kill everyone by forcing them into the same boat than to let anyone individual survive and prosper.. 

You should ask your mother how these evil banksters are able to compel you to do business with them- any answer she gives : Monopoly, inflation, Police Forces, whatever - the answer always comes down to govt coercion. If the government is bought, why is you solution to give even more power to government? Won't that power be bought too?  The people you elect will be better? Like Obama? Like President Goldman Sachs who passed a bill requiring us to do business with private insurance companies under such terms as the govt dictates? Like the President who ran his own Bain capital with taxpayer funds? He enriched his buddy,   evil CEOs with billions in loans while their companies when bankrupt and closed? I am really thinking we should pass a bill requiring all Liberals to purchase a gun and be trained at its use or pay a tax - 1st, the liberal courts would have to find a way to overturn it, and it would be difficult to do without invalidating Obamacare at the same time. 2nd, it would piss them off.  3rd, I suspect gun and range accidents would increase. Its fine to give barbarians guns as long as you are reasonably sure they will shoot themselves with it.

little red button of the bottom (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuamSKIvhcA#)

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Post by: Libertas on August 13, 2012, 11:40:05 AM
Can't we just skip ahead and have them hit the little red button first?!

 ::whoohoo::