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Topics => General Board => Topic started by: Pandora on July 20, 2012, 06:24:40 AM
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AURORA, Colo. (AP) — A gunman opened fire early Friday at a suburban Denver movie theater on the opening night of the latest Batman movie "The Dark Knight Rises," killing 14 people and injuring at least 50 others, authorities said. (http://news.yahoo.com/police-14-dead-colorado-theater-shooting-093016145.html)
The gunman, who is in custody, stood at the front of the theater and fired into the crowd about 12:30 a.m. MDT at a multiplex theater in a mall in Aurora.
"Witnesses tell us he released some sort of canister. They heard a hissing sound and some gas emerged and the gunman opened fire," Aurora Police Chief Dan Oates said at a news conference.
Police, ambulances and emergency crews swarmed on the scene after frantic calls started flooding the 911 switchboard, officials said.
Officers came running in and telling people to leave the theater, Salina Jordan told the Denver Post. She said some police were carrying and dragging bodies.
Officers later found the gunman near a car behind the theater.
"A gas mask, rifle, handgun at least one additional weapon (were) found inside," he said.
The suspect was taken into custody, but no name was released. Oates said there's no evidence of any other attackers. There was also no immediate word of any motive.
The suspect spoke of "possible explosives in his residence. We are dealing with that potential threat," Oates said
Police were at the Denver-area apartment and had evacuated other residents of the building. Oates did not say whether any explosives had been found.
He said police also checked for explosives in the parking lot and at the Century 16 theater and secured those areas.
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Ah yes. Aurora. Anyone care to play "guess that race?"
Aurora is on Denver's east side and is Colorado's third-largest city with 327,000 residents. It is home to a large Defense Department satellite intelligence operation at Buckley Air Force Base, as well as The Children's Hospital, the University of Colorado Hospital and a future Veterans Affairs hospital.
Here is another interesting fact about Aurora
(http://pics.city-data.com/craces2/3072.jpg)
as compared to say, Colorado
(http://9healthfair.publichealthpractice.org/images/co_ethnic_population.gif)
I know, That is RACISSST!!!!!
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The shooter is in custody, but police haven't released his name? Unh hunh.
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In a statement, President Obama said, "Michelle and I are shocked and saddened by the horrific and tragic shooting in Colorado. Federal and local law enforcement are still responding, and my administration will do everything that we can to support the people of Aurora in this extraordinarily difficult time. We are committed to bringing whoever was responsible to justice, ensuring the safety of our people, and caring for those who have been wounded." (http://abcnews.go.com/US/mass-shooting-colorado-movie-theater-14-people-dead/story?id=16817842#.UAlF2e5fE9)
Hey maybe it was those Batman/Bain comparisons that inspired this man to violence? If Sarah Palin's "targets on a map" could do it, then why not this?
Oh right, because Democrats said it.
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The shooter is in custody, but police haven't released his name? Unh hunh.
Police now have now apprehended a 24-year-old male and recovered a gun after the shooting at approximately 12:39 a.m. CT at the Century 16 Movie Theaters at the Aurora Town Center in the Denver suburb.
Race not mentioned. Hmmmm.. ::thinking::
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The shooter is in custody, but police haven't released his name? Unh hunh.
Police now have now apprehended a 24-year-old male and recovered a gun after the shooting at approximately 12:39 a.m. CT at the Century 16 Movie Theaters at the Aurora Town Center in the Denver suburb.
Race not mentioned. Hmmmm.. ::thinking::
Name not mentioned. He's not a minor, so what's the holdup?
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James Holmes, 24
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The shooter is in custody, but police haven't released his name? Unh hunh.
Police now have now apprehended a 24-year-old male and recovered a gun after the shooting at approximately 12:39 a.m. CT at the Century 16 Movie Theaters at the Aurora Town Center in the Denver suburb.
Race not mentioned. Hmmmm.. ::thinking::
Got to go through his computer for the anonymous postings this guy leaves. Psychoanalyze his last months plotting the incident etc...
Name not mentioned. He's not a minor, so what's the holdup?
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James Holmes, 24
Yup.
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I'm calling it right now, and if I'm wrong, I'm wrong.
Shooter was Black, picked White victims.
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I'm calling it right now, and if I'm wrong, I'm wrong.
Shooter was Black, picked White victims.
Yeah, we loose this round. Drudge is claiming as White.
But hey, when the odds are stacked, you go with the odds.
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4....3.....2.....1
Its the rights Fault! (http://twitchy.com/2012/07/20/left-blames-aurora-shooting-on-rush-limbaugh/)
Right on Cue.
Rush's Statements in this case were admittedly pretty stupid.
1) The Bain character has existed since 1993 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bane_(comics)) and this Batman movie began filming over a year ago, and scripts existed long before that
2) The Batman Movies have been some of the most conservative films to come out of Hollywood in recent times
3) The movies are faithful to a Batman characterization given by Miller in the late 80s, and the original incarnation of the superhero
One of the comments implies a lot of right wing reading material at the home. It could be "one of us" finally lost it. But going after a crowd of children watching Batman? WTF?
Or its just probing to see how people will react to the "home grown, right wing terrorist"
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Why I don't live in big cities.
No kidding. I moved to small town in Colorado to get away from crap like this.
Incidentally, my twelve year-old daughter wanted me to take her to the midnight showing of Batman. I was too tired. In my theater, though, a lot of the audience would be packing heat.
The last thing Colorado needed was another mass killing. I can't wait for the inevitable political fallout. I hope that Romney has the in smarts to mention how many people have been killed in gun control happy Chicago this year....I hope he can find a way to compassionately mention that tragedies such as these are one of the prices to a free society.
I have been putting off getting my CCP renewed because of time constraints. I guess I had better push that to the front of the priority line.
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One of the comments implies a lot of right wing reading material at the home. It could be "one of us" finally lost it. But going after a crowd of children watching Batman? WTF?
Or its just probing to see how people will react to the "home grown, right wing terrorist"
People who commit mass murder are insane by definition regardless of political affiliation. And yeah, that includes muslims. They just happen to have an insane religion to go with their murderous personal insanity.
Personally, I think that if you wanted to play the left's game of blaming things like this on exterior influences you could go after any number of left wing produced violence fests on television or in the movies.
But, that's not right.
The guy is insane. Insane people commit mass murder. That's really the only answer to this story. Looking for deep reasons...trying to understand the mind of a homicidally crazy person is pointless...futile. Assigning political motivations (which has been started by the left while the bodies are still warm) is beyond sick.
I mean, had the guy been muslim I wouldn't have been surprised or anything because it's an insane religion. Had the guy been a new black panther party member I wouldn't have been much less surprised because of the insane nature of that organization. That the guy happens to be white means little to nothing. He is crazy.
So, no, I would never buy into him being "one of us." We aren't crazy nutzoid as a group and should never allow anyone to paint us that way.
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On the other hand, he didn't kill all these people by himself. Somewhere along the line there had to be an influential public school teacher, a charismatic black president...
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Those ABC a$$holes , Brian Ross and Stephanopolis , are already checking to see if the guy is a Tea Party member ! ::gaah:: ::gaah:: ::gaah::
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Of course they are. I know he is not, just from the MO. When and if a Tea Party type finally loses it, they will go after worthwhile targets. Not a bunch of random people in a movie theater.
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I'm not sure I care for them jumping to publish an article that has "Could Be" in the title, but yeah anyway it's looking like the guy is a registered Democrat from San Diego.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/07/20/Exclusive-Dark-Knight-Shooting-Suspect-James-Holmes-Registered-Democrat (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/07/20/Exclusive-Dark-Knight-Shooting-Suspect-James-Holmes-Registered-Democrat)
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Of course they are. I know he is not, just from the MO. When and if a Tea Party type finally loses it, they will go after worthwhile targets. Not a bunch of random people in a movie theater.
I agree.
I got the feeling that's what Andre Brevik (sp?) believed he was doing.
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Those ABC a$$holes , Brian Ross and Stephanopolis , are already checking to see if the guy is a Tea Party member ! ::gaah:: ::gaah:: ::gaah::
And once again, they are wrong as hell: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/07/20/Exclusive-Interview-With-James-Michael-Holmes-Colorado-Tea-Party-Member (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/07/20/Exclusive-Interview-With-James-Michael-Holmes-Colorado-Tea-Party-Member) and http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/07/20/It-Begins-ABC-Ross-Stephanolpoulos-Point-to-Tea-Party-for-Dark-Knight-Shooting (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/07/20/It-Begins-ABC-Ross-Stephanolpoulos-Point-to-Tea-Party-for-Dark-Knight-Shooting)
UPDATE: The James Holmes arrested at the Aurora theater was 24 years old and seems to be from Denver, CO, according to a Facebook profile (a similar Facebook profile linked by a local news reporter has not been confirmed as the suspect's profile, either). There are many people with the name "James Holmes" in the area, and the James Homes on the Tea Party website could match a James Homes from Aurora, CO who is in his fifties and therefore does not fit the description of the suspect. More evidence that Ross, Stephanolpoulos and ABC rushed to blame the Tea Party without confirmation that the suspect is also the Tea Party member.
UPDATE: When ABC News corrected its initial report, it tried to spread the blame around to "social media" and "members of the public":
An earlier ABC News broadcast report suggested that a Jim Holmes of a Colorado Tea Party organization might be the suspect, but that report was incorrect. Several other local residents with similar names were also contacted via social media by members of the public who mistook them for the suspect.
It has since issued a more straightforward apology:
An earlier ABC News broadcast report suggested that a Jim Holmes of a Colorado Tea Party organization might be the suspect, but that report was incorrect. ABC News and Brian Ross apologize for the mistake, and for disseminating that information before it was properly vetted.
Developing...
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Those ABC a$$holes , Brian Ross and Stephanopolis , are already checking to see if the guy is a Tea Party member ! ::gaah:: ::gaah:: ::gaah::
Heard that on the radio this AM, pissed me right off! But so expected by Democrat-Media Complex whores!
Beck did a good spiel about a Brian Ross being involved in a hienous crime. More should be going after these MFM asshats!
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I was looking this article over...
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/mass-shooting-incidents-last-two-decades (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/mass-shooting-incidents-last-two-decades)
According to my numbers using the article as a guide, there have been 473 vicitims (289 killed) and 13 of the 18 perpetrators were killed or killed themselves.
Basically to me these nine different nations pretty much all of them except the US are very if not outright hostile to private gun ownership, the US I would classify as restricted. By that classification there is a 2.55 times greater chance of dying and a 2.68 times greater chance of being wounded in a nation hostile towards gun ownership by gun related violence.
Clearly restricting or banning guns is a massive failure. Allowing the law-abidding to conceal or open carry without any restrictions would dramatically cut down on the victims of lunatics, but God forbid the Democrat-Media Complex engage in an honest debate. The exploitation of tragedy is what they live for, the sick sumbitches cannot wait to take more rights away in the name of "security for all".
::gaah::
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I knew it.
He had help. (http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=142201)
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I knew it.
He had help. (http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=142201)
Well yea, there's that. ::) ;)
I'm still waiting for the answer to who opened the door and allowed him access to the theater.
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I knew it.
He had help. (http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=142201)
Well yea, there's that. ::) ;)
I'm still waiting for the answer to who opened the door and allowed him access to the theater.
Maybe no one. There's speculation he entered through the front either earlier in the day, or with the rest of the crowd that night and propped the door open when he went out to arm up. I don't know exactly how those type of EXIT doors are configured, whether or not they are wired to sound an alarm when opened, but many of the movies houses I've been in route the traffic out those type doors after the film is over.
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That sounds logical and I couldn't say either way because I don't go to theaters.
You see they are "weapon-free zones" which means that they will only allow cattle inside.
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That sounds logical and I couldn't say either way because I don't go to theaters.
You see they are "weapon-free zones" which means that they will only allow cattle inside.
My information may be outdated because I don't go either, not only because I won't be disarmed, but because movie-goers are a rude assembly these days.
One thing I've noticed the past couple days is the opprobrium poured over people who dare question whatthehell a six-year-old was doing in a movie house that late at night, nevermind a three-month-old; it's called "blaming the victim" ::)
but the offended can kiss my azz. Yes, the parents had every reason to expect their kids would be safe, but that's not the point; the point is that too many parents these days have rocks in their heads to take kids that young to a movie like TDKR and long after they should have been home in bed. If ever there was a case of "wrong time, wrong place", this is it.
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That sounds logical and I couldn't say either way because I don't go to theaters.
You see they are "weapon-free zones" which means that they will only allow cattle inside.
My information may be outdated because I don't go either, not only because I won't be disarmed, but because movie-goers are a rude assembly these days.
One thing I've noticed the past couple days is the opprobrium poured over people who dare question whatthehell a six-year-old was doing in a movie house that late at night, never mind a three-month-old; it's called "blaming the victim" ::)
but the offended can kiss my azz. Yes, the parents had every reason to expect their kids would be safe, but that's not the point; the point is that too many parents these days have rocks in their heads to take kids that young to a movie like TDKR and long after they should have been home in bed. If ever there was a case of "wrong time, wrong place", this is it.
You're a good marksman Pan, bulls eye on every shot. Still, I contend it's the same crap as bread and circuses of the Roman Empire, entertainment being the key. The economy sucks and Hollyweird becomes more brazen with each picture they produce further insulating, no, softening their audience's perception of the violence that's coming.
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I knew it.
He had help. (http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=142201)
Well yea, there's that. ::) ;)
I'm still waiting for the answer to who opened the door and allowed him access to the theater.
No one opened the door but the gunman. He paid to get in, sat in the front, pretended to get a phone call, left by the front exit door, got his gear together and came back in to do his killing.
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Did you hear? He accumulated his arsenal by mail order.
That's the problem, if he hadn't been able to buy that
stuff through the mail this would have never happened.
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I knew it.
He had help. (http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=142201)
Well yea, there's that. ::) ;)
I'm still waiting for the answer to who opened the door and allowed him access to the theater.
No one opened the door but the gunman. He paid to get in, sat in the front, pretended to get a phone call, left by the front exit door, got his gear together and came back in to do his killing.
thanks for the clarification. As with most of this stuff I generally steer clear because it is usually stuffed with idiotic speculations and shameless agenda-packing. I prefer to wait until the facts ooze up to the surface. Already we have abc and breitbart looking like fools for publishing un-vetted allegations. I'm sure that there will be more.
As a culture we've become so desensitized, demoralized, and disenfranchised that our reasoning skills as well as our coping mechanisms are totally out of whack. On another board I tried three times to steer the conversation away from the finger-pointing and blame assigning - all to no avail. The victims of this event - the dead and the dying - are just grist for their personal mills.
I fully anticipate yet another push for even more restrictions against the pre-victims of gun violence. I call them (collectively us) pre-victims because that is all we are when we are precluded from defending ourselves. A victim of someone else's violent tendencies, waiting to happen. And I shrug my shoulders and say "You do what you want - and so will I"
I won't be disarmed. I don't borrow trouble. I won't be cowed.
There was one post on another thread (different site) where one of the limp-wristed lefties breathlessly posted this holmes guy's recent purchases. As I went down the list I silently ticked off each item (got that - check; got two of those - check; I've got one of those, but mine's better - check!). I decided not to rub it in this eloi's face - some things are better left unsaid ;)
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They just refuse to believe that the only effective countermeasure against a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. The hubris of their humanistic ideology is such that they think they can eliminate evil simply by having all power vested in them.
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It should also be noted that all the usual suspects are describing his main weapon as an 'assault' weapon. Apparently it had a 100 round detachable drum magazine. After having dug through half a dozen stories I was able to piece together that it was some sort of semi-automatic rifle (though radio and written outlets have been saying that it was an 'automatic rifle' so this point still needs clarification it seems) and that he bought 3,000 round for it by mail order. Still no mention about what weapon it was.
Of course, there is NO SUCH THING as a semi-automatic 'assault' weapon. Assault weapons are those that are capable of fully automatic fire (or that have a select fire function to allow them to switch between semi-automatic fire and fully automatic fire or 'burst' fire {'burst' fire denotes the ability of the weapon to discharge a set amount - usually 3 - rounds each time the trigger is pulled}) and that are generally used by military forces around the world. Assault weapons are not available to the general public in the United States. You have to go through certain federal agencies to get permission to own one or you have to get your hands on one illegally.
Just because the anti-gun lobby during the Clinton administration warped the definition to include any firearm that looked scary does not mean that that is the actual definition of 'assault weapon'.
As usual the press is not supplying any of this information however. Instead, they are calling it an assault rifle so as to drum up opposition to the 2nd amendment.
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And the idiot oblivions among us blithely parrot the term. I just asked elsewhere for the description and definition of an "assault rifle".
Crickets.
Gunsmith and I like to joke about owning a couple of "scary black" rifles, because the color as much as anything else gets the ignorantis panties wadded up.
I've heard this elsewhere as well, "B-b-b-but SEMI-AUTOMATIC!!" *sigh* Yeah, same as every other gun, one shot per one trigger pull.
I heard one young man being interviewed right after the event and he described the fire as bang, bang, bang, not bangbangbangbrzzzzzzzt. That told me all I needed to know about the absence of a full-auto.
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Can't find that sight itemizing the weapons.
Haven't found out what the old man who
foiled the shooters in FL was packing either.
Chris Wallace and others mentioned that many
have suggested if there had been a CC carrier
in the theater wouldn't it have been stopped.
They neglected to show the FL vid.
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Can't find that sight itemizing the weapons.
Haven't found out what the old man who
foiled the shooters in FL was packing either.
Chris Wallace and others mentioned that many
have suggested if there had been a CC carrier
in the theater wouldn't it have been stopped.
They neglected to show the FL vid.
Aurora suspect James Holmes was buying guns, dropping out of graduate school
Weapon purchases started in May
In addition to two canisters, perhaps holding teargas, four weapons were found at the scene, Oates said.
Two were .40-caliber handguns, made by Glock. At least one of those was used, the police chief said. Holmes had purchased more than 3,000 rounds of .40-caliber ammunition, Oates said.
One shotgun, a Remington Model 870, one of the most popular models. Pump action, single barrel, 12 gauge, with 300 rounds.
CNN spoke with the CEO of TacticalGear.com, which said it sold Holmes a Blackhawk urban assault vest for $107, along with a triple pistol magazine, an M16 magazine pouch and a silver knife.
And one Smith & Wesson AR-15 type rifle, .223 caliber, called by some an "assault rifle." These weapons can accommodate large ammunition clips(sic), and Holmes had one "drum clip"(sic) that would have carried more than 100 rounds, Oates said. With that clip(sic), he could have fired 50 to 60 rounds in a minute, even if the rifle was considered semi-automatic, not automatic, Oates said. He had 3,000 rounds of ammunition for this rifle.
He was wearing: a black ballistic or bullet-resistant helmet
a ballistic tactical vest with pocket
ballistic leggings,
throat and groin protectors
a gas mask and ballistic tactical gloves, Oates said.
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/20/12854157-aurora-suspect-james-holmes-was-buying-guns-dropping-out-of-graduate-school?lite (http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/20/12854157-aurora-suspect-james-holmes-was-buying-guns-dropping-out-of-graduate-school?lite)
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So, besides the helmet, what else of what he was wearing was "bullet resistant"?
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No vest for $107 would meet my definition of "bullet resistant". The push for banning "high capacity clips (sic)" is sure to come again. I wouldn't be surprised to see an effort to outlaw mail order of ammunition either. There's no way they will let this event pass by without an attempt to make political capital from it.
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No vest for $107 would meet my definition of "bullet resistant". The push for banning "high capacity clips (sic)" is sure to come again. I wouldn't be surprised to see an effort to outlaw mail order of ammunition either. There's no way they will let this event pass by without an attempt to make political capital from it.
What's with all the talk about "body armor", then; because he had on "tactical" gear? I cut some slack for the people on site, but not for the rest of the chatterers. They're using the "body armor" meme as a rationale for why even an armed person "couldn't have done anything". More crap.
I'm equally as sure the gun-rights groups all over this country are ready for it and are prepared to push back.
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He can only face one direction at a time.
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No vest for $107 would meet my definition of "bullet resistant". The push for banning "high capacity clips (sic)" is sure to come again. I wouldn't be surprised to see an effort to outlaw mail order of ammunition either. There's no way they will let this event pass by without an attempt to make political capital from it.
What's with all the talk about "body armor", then; because he had on "tactical" gear? I cut some slack for the people on site, but not for the rest of the chatterers. They're using the "body armor" meme as a rationale for why even an armed person "couldn't have done anything". More crap.
I'm equally as sure the gun-rights groups all over this country are ready for it and are prepared to push back.
Ann Barnhardt has a lengthy post on this. She makes the point that because we are all fallen sinners on this Earthly world, evil will always exist, and that those who agitate for more power in order to allegedly eliminate evil are, in fact, the evil ones themselves -- because they arrogate to themselves a presumed ability to create a Heaven right here. That really is secularism in a nutshell if you think about it.
I know in my own case, I am weary of having to do political and ideological battle every time evil rears its head, such as in Colorado early Friday. If we could have news accounts of every episode where a person used a gun to defend themselves, it would be obvious how lopsided firearm use really is. But we don't, and it's hardly coincidence. Today I went target shooting on private land in the same place I go almost every weekend, and for the first time ever the police came out because someone had complained. The officer was perfectly cool about it, to his credit. But I can't help but think the media has accomplished its goal of setting the armies of busybodies in motion, and that this person -- whoever she was -- probably would not have called to complain about gunshots prior to Friday.
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He can only face one direction at a time.
True, and despite the gas mask, I figure he wasn't able to see any more clearly than anyone else there.
Sidebar: a short time after Columbine, a man with his head screwed on straight began offering seminars for school kids whereby he instructed them in alternatives to hiding under their desks, kissing their asses goodbye, in the event they should find themselves under siege. He advised the kids to begin throwing anything and everything at the assailant in order to distract him enough to either grab away the gun or knock him on his ass -- and then grab the gun if they could -- or to provide any opportunity for some to run away to safety.
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No vest for $107 would meet my definition of "bullet resistant". The push for banning "high capacity clips (sic)" is sure to come again. I wouldn't be surprised to see an effort to outlaw mail order of ammunition either. There's no way they will let this event pass by without an attempt to make political capital from it.
What's with all the talk about "body armor", then; because he had on "tactical" gear? I cut some slack for the people on site, but not for the rest of the chatterers. They're using the "body armor" meme as a rationale for why even an armed person "couldn't have done anything". More crap.
I'm equally as sure the gun-rights groups all over this country are ready for it and are prepared to push back.
My understanding is that "tactical" clothing refers to having pockets and pouches to hold gear, specifically magazines but also flashlights and other items.
I have no idea why anyone would refer to clothing of any type as "ballistic" unless it can be propelled out of a rifled barrel.
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Can't find that sight itemizing the weapons.
Haven't found out what the old man who
foiled the shooters in FL was packing either.
Chris Wallace and others mentioned that many
have suggested if there had been a CC carrier
in the theater wouldn't it have been stopped.
They neglected to show the FL vid.
I can't remember where I read it but I seem to recall that the old guy was packing a .380
That would seem to explain how he hit them without killing them. A .45 or a .40 impact would most likely have ended with them bleeding out rather quickly.
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Did you hear? He accumulated his arsenal by mail order.
That's the problem, if he hadn't been able to buy that
stuff through the mail this would have never happened.
Okay, I recognize the sarcasm. I don't get it either (I get your sarcasm). It's like some people have lost their minds and forgotten that mail order firearms have been against the law since the Kennedy assassination.
And yes, you can buy ammo through the mail. Big deal. With a small amount of knowledge you can purchase ingredients via mail or internet or whatever to concoct IEDs or methamphetamine or any number of dangerous and illegal compounds and/or devices. Welcome to a semi-free (for now) society.
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Can't find that sight itemizing the weapons.
Haven't found out what the old man who
foiled the shooters in FL was packing either.
Chris Wallace and others mentioned that many
have suggested if there had been a CC carrier
in the theater wouldn't it have been stopped.
They neglected to show the FL vid.
I can't remember where I read it but I seem to recall that the old guy was packing a .380
That would seem to explain how he hit them without killing them. A .45 or a .40 impact would most likely have ended with them bleeding out rather quickly.
Maybe Fl dude was shooting FMJ not HP's and they missed anything vital. Mfg's have gotten better performing HP's for .380 rounds, since it has risen to such popularity, thanks in large part to pocket pistols. It's why I like my Bersa for summer carry, little bit longer barrel than pocket pistols and if you can get quality HP's you can put down what you have to, as long as you can fire off a double-tap or two.
Anyway, if law-abiding people with permits were in that theater, doesn't matter the caliber's they have, if even just a few got off shots this scumbag would be down and who knows how many people would have been spared.
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Mark Steyn mentioned this when filling in for Rush on Friday, but there was a college shooting in Virginia prior to the VA Tech massacre, and not far away. It's the school shooting nobody has heard of because it ended so differently. A foreign student had some grievance about grades or something, and went and shot his professor in his office. When he tried to go "at large" with his grievances, two of the students (one of whom a police officer from NC) went and confronted him with guns. That incident ended there with one unfortunate casualty, but no more.
On another point, that I think the Right has ceded when it should not have, and that is that the purpose of the 2nd Amendment is not to protect hunting arms. It's not even necessarily to protect self-defense arms. It exists to protect the right of the citizenry to, if necessary, wage war against the State. Writing the Bill of Rights in the immediate aftermath of struggle against the British Empire, what other purpose could have possibly been in mind? Every time I hear the leftists, or even too often the Fudds on the Right, argue that the Founders could never have foreseen the technological increase in personal firepower I think of this. True enough, I imagine the Founders could not foresee many of the changes in weapon technology. I am equally convinced that they would consider it irrelevant. The real purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to create a major headache for would-be tyrants, whether foreign or domestic.
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Anyway, if law-abiding people with permits were in that theater, doesn't matter the caliber's they have, if even just a few got off shots this scumbag would be down and who knows how many people would have been spared.
Now this is yet another thing I have heard and not been able to confirm so take it for what it's worth:
The theater and mall both had a "no weapons" policy. So...private property and all I guess this is supposed to mean that they have the right to tell their patrons to either disarm or seek entertainment elsewhere.
Now...if that's true (and I have no idea if it is or not) then the disarmed patrons should be able to expect a reasonable amount of security during said entertainment. Obviously this did not occur. Enter liability lawyers.
Again, don't know if these things are true or not.
And, yeah, probably FMJ on the .380
I can't imagine using FMJ for anything but practice. Hollow points are for keeps. I have one whole magazine of .40SW full of Black Talons. Can't get those anymore thanks to left wing BS. Not that it matters...Ranger SXT are just about the exact same thing.
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In .380 I have started carrying the Hornady Critical Defense. They are hollow points with a polymer compound inserted into the cavity to prevent it clogging with clothing, yet still transmits hydraulic force to cause expansion. In tests I've seen, they do about as well as can be expected from a .380.
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So, besides the helmet, what else of what he was wearing was "bullet resistant"?
I have a vest like his. It's not bullet resistant - no more than a kids book bag might be. It isn't meant to be. It's a tactical vest which is a fancy way of saying it's a vest with specialized compartments for carrying gear. Probably the only bullet resistant aspect of it was if he had a cell phone in one of the pockets.
Just like the "assault weapon" scary rhetoric it is meant to elicit a predetermined (negative) response.
Where it gets disappointing is when you get fence-sitters who buckle under to the weight and volume of the nonsense.
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Mark Steyn mentioned this when filling in for Rush on Friday, but there was a college shooting in Virginia prior to the VA Tech massacre, and not far away. It's the school shooting nobody has heard of because it ended so differently. A foreign student had some grievance about grades or something, and went and shot his professor in his office. When he tried to go "at large" with his grievances, two of the students (one of whom a police officer from NC) went and confronted him with guns. That incident ended there with one unfortunate casualty, but no more.
On another point, that I think the Right has ceded when it should not have, and that is that the purpose of the 2nd Amendment is not to protect hunting arms. It's not even necessarily to protect self-defense arms. It exists to protect the right of the citizenry to, if necessary, wage war against the State. Writing the Bill of Rights in the immediate aftermath of struggle against the British Empire, what other purpose could have possibly been in mind? Every time I hear the leftists, or even too often the Fudds on the Right, argue that the Founders could never have foreseen the technological increase in personal firepower I think of this. True enough, I imagine the Founders could not foresee many of the changes in weapon technology. I am equally convinced that they would consider it irrelevant. The real purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to create a major headache for would-be tyrants, whether foreign or domestic.
Amen! ::thumbsup:: ::thumbsup:: ::thumbsup:: ::thumbsup::
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Anyway, if law-abiding people with permits were in that theater, doesn't matter the caliber's they have, if even just a few got off shots this scumbag would be down and who knows how many people would have been spared.
Now this is yet another thing I have heard and not been able to confirm so take it for what it's worth:
The theater and mall both had a "no weapons" policy. So...private property and all I guess this is supposed to mean that they have the right to tell their patrons to either disarm or seek entertainment elsewhere.
Now...if that's true (and I have no idea if it is or not) then the disarmed patrons should be able to expect a reasonable amount of security during said entertainment. Obviously this did not occur. Enter liability lawyers.
Again, don't know if these things are true or not.
And, yeah, probably FMJ on the .380
I can't imagine using FMJ for anything but practice. Hollow points are for keeps. I have one whole magazine of .40SW full of Black Talons. Can't get those anymore thanks to left wing BS. Not that it matters...Ranger SXT are just about the exact same thing.
If a "no weapons" policy that is unenforced, then they not only have a severe liability issue (civil cases for sure) but then the people of CO have to know that if it is not enforced and they have a permit there is really no reason not to carry in the theater, if enforced they would merely have to be asked to leave, and they could re-enter if they so desire sans weapon. If not asked (no "printing" visible to warrant inquiry) they could have carried and responded. Not sure about their liability issues then, but better jailed and alive than buried in the ground.
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In .380 I have started carrying the Hornady Critical Defense. They are hollow points with a polymer compound inserted into the cavity to prevent it clogging with clothing, yet still transmits hydraulic force to cause expansion. In tests I've seen, they do about as well as can be expected from a .380.
I am partial to Hornady as well, pay a little more but the quality and performance is worth it. ::thumbsup::
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So, besides the helmet, what else of what he was wearing was "bullet resistant"?
I have a vest like his. It's not bullet resistant - no more than a kids book bag might be. It isn't meant to be. It's a tactical vest which is a fancy way of saying it's a vest with specialized compartments for carrying gear. Probably the only bullet resistant aspect of it was if he had a cell phone in one of the pockets.
Just like the "assault weapon" scary rhetoric it is meant to elicit a predetermined (negative) response.
Where it gets disappointing is when you get fence-sitters who buckle under to the weight and volume of the nonsense.
Yup, it's all about the scare factor with gun-grabbing progressives...an armed populace is much more problematic for them to enslave, thus they will never ever give up.
Which is why crap like Agenda 21 is coming up more often. Progressives always like to create more cover for themselves, they think it conceals their true intent. Only a complete moron can fail to see their true intent, we liberty-minded know better, as do the conspirators themselves.
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Investigator Bill Warren says Holmes is part of Black Block faction of OWS
http://pibillwarner.wordpress.com/ (http://pibillwarner.wordpress.com/)
To much to transfer so use the link. Take it with the usual grain of salt as we know for sure the left won't print the truth unless it could help their cause. Remember all those false reports of McVeigh being a Christian.
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Investigator Bill Warren says Holmes is part of Black Block faction of OWS
http://pibillwarner.wordpress.com/ (http://pibillwarner.wordpress.com/)
To much to transfer so use the link. Take it with the usual grain of salt as we know for sure the left won't print the truth unless it could help their cause. Remember all those false reports of McVeigh being a Christian.
Figured he would be closer to OWS than the Tea Party. Time to study the OWS footage and see if this guy was caught on film.
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Denver had one of the nastier OWS demonstrations that didn't make national news.
But there may be quite a bit of non-MFM media to go through...stuff posted on youtube and other places.
The guy is 6'3" tall. He will stand out in a crowd.
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So, besides the helmet, what else of what he was wearing was "bullet resistant"?
I have a vest like his. It's not bullet resistant - no more than a kids book bag might be. It isn't meant to be. It's a tactical vest which is a fancy way of saying it's a vest with specialized compartments for carrying gear. Probably the only bullet resistant aspect of it was if he had a cell phone in one of the pockets.
Just like the "assault weapon" scary rhetoric it is meant to elicit a predetermined (negative) response.
Where it gets disappointing is when you get fence-sitters who buckle under to the weight and volume of the nonsense.
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H/T rayra
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To Glock's earlier points about defensive use of firearms getting no attention...
Two Aurora Shootings: One Widely Known; the Other Ignored (http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/12175-two-aurora-shootings-one-widely-known-the-other-ignored)
On April 22 of this year a convicted felon, just out of jail, went to an Aurora, Colorado, church and shot and killed a member of the congregation before being killed himself by a congregant carrying a gun.
On July 20, following the horrific shooting at a movie theater in Aurora, President Obama offered his condolences to the victims of the more recent tragedy. "Our time here [on Earth] is limited and it is precious," the president said. "And what matters at the end of the day is not the small things, it’s not the trivial things which so often consume us and our daily lives. It’s about how we choose to treat one another and how we love one another."
Obama then led his supporters at a rally in Fort Myers, Florida, in a moment of silent prayer “for all the victims of less publicized acts of violence that plague our communities every single day.”
No doubt the president was unaware of the other, less-publicized lethal shooting that took place earlier in the year in Aurora, when there was only one victim, thanks to the quick thinking and action of a responsibly armed individual. Aurora police spokesman Frank Fania asked rhetorically: “Who knows what would’ve happened if the [church member, an off-duty police officer] had not been there? It certainly could have been a lot worse.”
How much worse? Could the killing spree have been as bad as the shooting at the movie theater, where a dozen victims lost their lives? Thankfully, we'll never know....
(More at link...)
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They just refuse to believe that the only effective countermeasure against a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. The hubris of their humanistic ideology is such that they think they can eliminate evil simply by having all power vested in them.
Recently, I asked my daughter's close friend what her very liberal, gun-hating aunt and uncle would say about the 14 year old who shot the intruder and protected his siblings a few weeks ago. She said that wouldn't change their minds. And if you said the intruder could have killed them all her aunt and uncle would say that's very sad but that's the way it goes sometimes. That you have accept that as the price to get rid of guns and protect everyone.
I can't even imagine living in a world of denial like that.
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... That you have accept that as the price to get rid of guns and protect everyone.
"Everyone" is not "protected" if they're dead.
::outrage::
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Pan, thanks for the confirmation of the tactical.
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... That you have accept that as the price to get rid of guns and protect everyone.
"Everyone" is not "protected" if they're dead.
::outrage::
I know. But for them hope springs eternal that someday, somehow all guns will be "erradicated" AND THEN everyone will be protected......
Or I assume that's the logic. Who knows. Sometimes it's just easier to say they're stupid.
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Stupid is the right word for it. It's a special kind of stupid, where the afflicted are able to go through mental contortions that mimic the reasoning process, but are in the end just moronic sophistry.
That hopeful assertion is so at odds with reality there really is no other word for it but "stupid".
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Eerie similarity to the Jews who did not flee Germany in the thirties
and those that continue to vote Democrat today. "...mental contortions
that ... in the end [are] just moronic sophistry."
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... That you have accept that as the price to get rid of guns and protect everyone.
"Everyone" is not "protected" if they're dead.
::outrage::
I know. But for them hope springs eternal that someday, somehow all guns will be "erradicated" AND THEN everyone will be protected......
Or I assume that's the logic. Who knows. Sometimes it's just easier to say they're stupid.
Oh yes, my friend, I am quite sure you know. Sometimes the STUPIDITY out there compels me to vent on it, even when venting to the choir.
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You're welcome, CO.
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Eerie similarity to the Jews who did not flee Germany in the thirties
and those that continue to vote Democrat today. "...mental contortions
that ... in the end [are] just moronic sophistry."
I guess that makes us the underground, the resistance...hence the good guys.
::thumbsup::
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They just refuse to believe that the only effective countermeasure against a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. The hubris of their humanistic ideology is such that they think they can eliminate evil simply by having all power vested in them.
Recently, I asked my daughter's close friend what her very liberal, gun-hating aunt and uncle would say about the 14 year old who shot the intruder and protected his siblings a few weeks ago. She said that wouldn't change their minds. And if you said the intruder could have killed them all her aunt and uncle would say that's very sad but that's the way it goes sometimes. That you have accept that as the price to get rid of guns and protect everyone.
I can't even imagine living in a world of denial like that.
Indicative of mental defective human beings. Population control=abortion by demand of the government.
We will continue to have these problems until we vanquish progressives. ::rockets::
Provide all the proof contrary to their arguments and they still stick their fingers in their ears. I remember a kid reached over the fence and our Shepard bit him. Weeks later, same kid thought that he didn't introduce himself properly to the dog. Same result, dog bit him on his ass. Liberals are the same way, freaking devoid of any logic.
Goes along with the erroneous assumption that the opposite of war is peace when in fact it's proven to be slavery or genocide. Ask those 6 million dead European Jews.
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Saw this article, some guys still have the gene intact to protect their women.
Guys protect girls (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/aurora-shooting-died-bullets-sweeties-article-1.1119395)
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... That you have accept that as the price to get rid of guns and protect everyone.
"Everyone" is not "protected" if they're dead.
::outrage::
I know. But for them hope springs eternal that someday, somehow all guns will be "erradicated" AND THEN everyone will be protected......
Or I assume that's the logic. Who knows. Sometimes it's just easier to say they're stupid.
She should have pulled out a gun and shot them and said, I now feel safe from you. ::hysterical::
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Saw this article, some guys still have the gene intact to protect their women.
Guys protect girls (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/aurora-shooting-died-bullets-sweeties-article-1.1119395)
That must really irk the feminists. They still haven't eradicated the male's most primal instinct.
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Wasn't it an ABC news reader that tried to associate the shooter to
the Tea Party? Well, that's a little one compared to this:
http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/23/abc-news-reporting-on-the-aurora-shooting-is-even-worse-than-we-thought/
How does “Yes, my name is Arlene Holmes, you’ve called the right person” become “Speaking on gut instinct, my son did this”? Yes, we know he did it, but if what she’s telling us is true — and at this point are we going to give ABC News the benefit of the doubt? — she didn’t say he did it. She didn’t implicate her son the moment she heard about it. According to her, she didn’t even know about the shooting until after she’d identified herself — “You have the right person” — and then asked why the reporter was calling. That seems like a pretty crucial difference.
Apparently this story isn’t horrible enough already. The people we used to count on to tell us the news keep doing their damnedest to make it even worse.
Update: ABC is standing by the story. There’s no recording of the call, so it’s her word against theirs.
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Par for the course!
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JurnoTard's doing what they do best, manipulate everything to fit their script no matter who gets thrown under the bus, and the truth is always the first casualty.
Rush accurately labels these assholes the "drive-by media".
::cussing:: 'em! Their time is drawing short too, more fuel for the Great Reckoning.
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Saw this article, some guys still have the gene intact to protect their women.
Guys protect girls (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/aurora-shooting-died-bullets-sweeties-article-1.1119395)
That must really irk the feminists. They still haven't eradicated the male's most primal instinct.
Yeah, I wonder what the FemiNazi's would have said if the guys just fled and left the girls to their own fate? Would they approve? Would they castigate the girls for not being more self-sufficient and too dependent on Neanderthal males?
No doubt the FemiNazi's will redouble their efforts to immasculate males, the only way they can elevate women is by knocking down that which makes males men!
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Wasn't it an ABC news reader that tried to associate the shooter to
the Tea Party? Well, that's a little one compared to this:
http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/23/abc-news-reporting-on-the-aurora-shooting-is-even-worse-than-we-thought/
How does “Yes, my name is Arlene Holmes, you’ve called the right person” become “Speaking on gut instinct, my son did this”? Yes, we know he did it, but if what she’s telling us is true — and at this point are we going to give ABC News the benefit of the doubt? — she didn’t say he did it. She didn’t implicate her son the moment she heard about it. According to her, she didn’t even know about the shooting until after she’d identified herself — “You have the right person” — and then asked why the reporter was calling. That seems like a pretty crucial difference.
Apparently this story isn’t horrible enough already. The people we used to count on to tell us the news keep doing their damnedest to make it even worse.
Update: ABC is standing by the story. There’s no recording of the call, so it’s her word against theirs.
My god.....dan rather was a visionary.
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I guess you have to murder someone on live TV (a person of color or some such "minority" status would be best) to get fired from the MFM if you're a Lefty...if you're not a Lefty all it takes is the weakest allegation or more likely just a made up load of BS.
::cussing:: the MFM!
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... If we could have news accounts of every episode where a person used a gun to defend themselves, it would be obvious how lopsided firearm use really is. But we don't, and it's hardly coincidence. ...
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Discovered that the NRA does do this, and it appears the info comes from local news media; however, no national ink will be spilled for this perspective.
http://www.nrapublications.org/index.php/armed-citizen/ (http://www.nrapublications.org/index.php/armed-citizen/)
[blockquote]Just one week after being released from prison, Kiet Thanh Ly, 34, allegedly entered Smith’s Marketplace and purchased a kitchen knife. After leaving the store, Ly used the knife to senselessly stab a 30-year-old man multiple times in the abdomen. He then attacked a 45-year-old man who suffered cuts to his arms and head. Ly continued to threaten and chase people in the store’s parking lot until a 47-year-old man with a concealed-carry permit intervened. He was able to detain Ly until police arrived. Ly is being held on suspicion of assault and attempted murder. (The Salt Lake Tribune, Salt Lake City, UT, 4/28/12)
Raymond Hiles, 25, was arrested after being treated for a gunshot wound to the neck. He was shot after breaking into the home of Fred Ricciutti, an 84-year-old Korean War veteran. Ricciutti had been asleep with his wife, who was ill at the time, and heard a noise at about 4:30 a.m. He then saw someone come into the room. Ricciutti quickly drew a gun from a nearby drawer and shouted a warning at Hiles before firing once. (York Daily Record, Elizabeth, PA, 5/10/12)
After dropping off her teenage grandson, 57-year-old Lulu Campbell was sitting in her vehicle searching for her cell phone when two men approached with guns. Brenton Spencer, 32, and Dantre Shivers, 30, shouted at Campbell to open the door and give them her money. As Campbell reached for her .38-cal. revolver, she reclined the car seat in an effort to take cover as both men began to shoot at her. Campbell returned fire, striking Spencer in the chest and causing Shivers to flee the scene. Campbell was uninjured. (The Telegraph, Macon, GA, 4/24/12)
Three men entered a Cigars International store one evening and attempted to purchase a tobacco product. The store manager, 37-year-old Matthew Bzura, asked to see identification. Bzura explained to them that it was against the law to sell tobacco products without seeing proper identification. One customer became irate and went as far as to angrily knock over a large sign outside of the store. When Bzura confronted the men causing havoc outside, one of them produced a knife and held it to Bzura’s throat. Bzura quickly responded by pulling out his legally concealed .40-cal. handgun. All three men fled on foot. Bzura said, “I have never been in a situation like that. Basically, my instincts kicked in.” (The Express-Times, Bethlehem, PA, 5/5/12)
Just before noon, a 37-year-old man entered Carillo’s Jewelry Store, hopped over the counter and approached the office at the back of the store. The store owner, his wife and 4-year-old daughter were in the office at the time of the incident. When the armed suspect appeared in the office doorway, the owner grabbed a handgun and fired at the aggressor. Although medics attempted to revive the suspect, his wounds proved fatal. (San Francisco Chronicle, Vallejo, CA, 5/4/12)
Sometime before 5 a.m., Jesse Home, 24, began to bang on the door of a residence and yell for a woman. The homeowner, who was not acquainted with Home, explained that he lived alone and asked Home to leave. After damaging vehicles outside of the residence, the assailant turned his attention to a side door of the home. He kicked in the door and entered, only to be met by the homeowner’s .22-cal. handgun. Home was shot several times in the leg before fleeing the scene. He was later arrested and charged with first degree home invasion after being released from the hospital. (UpperMichiganSource.com, Marquette, MI, 5/22/12)
Two men forced their way into a home early one afternoon and began to assault the resident. During the scuffle, the resident managed to pull a handgun from his pocket and fire it multiple times. Both men fled the scene on foot. The body of Jacob Clark was found a short distance from the residence; he had suffered a single gunshot to the chest. The second alleged intruder, Joey Pugh, 18, was not injured. He was caught soon after the incident, arrested and charged with aggravated burglary. (Knoxville News Sentinel, Crossville, TN, 5/23/12)
When 14-year-old Brady went to the kitchen for a glass of water late one night, he heard voices. Brady said, “I walked to the edge of the stairs and I [heard] them talking. I didn’t recognize their voices and I went back to my room and got my 12-gauge shotgun. I loaded it.” The boy confronted the men. The intruders had their own firearms pointed at Brady, but fled upon seeing his shotgun pointed back at them. (FOX16, Little Rock, AR, 4/30/12) [/blockquote]
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Well CO, all of those people listed at the NRA link instead should have piously laid down their lives. It would have been worth it for the moral supremacy afforded them by the liberal intelligentsia (posthumously).
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Love that "Gun control theory"; have quoted that in multiple places. Response? >>crickets<<
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Love that "Gun control theory"; have quoted that in multiple places. Response? >>crickets<<
That's because the logic of it doesn't address their emotional response to gun crime.
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I've seen many people pointing out the massacre in Norway, and that just doesn't compute for the Leftists - or it does, and they think they can close their eyes real tight and plug their ears and the truth will just go away.
You can ban all guns from all law abiding citizens, and killers bent on destruction will still kill and destroy. The only variable is whether there may or may not be someone on the scene of the crime with the tools, the courage, and the skill to intervene on behalf of the innocent.
That reality makes liberals wet their panties, and exposes totalitarian politicians for exactly who and what they are.
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I heard a guy on the radio last week, I like the guy but he had the wrong idea. He thought making the cost of bullets $1/ea would make them too expensive for bangers and other would-be murderers to shoot up everyone. Totally misses the mark, all they would do is steal them from businesses and more concerning from us!
We should be encouraging more law-abidding citizens to carry concealed or open and have ZERO harrassment from the authorities for doing so. Once the criminals realize there are a lot of people willing and able to shoot at them, it will cut down on violent crime big time!
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Oh, this is rich...
James Holmes received $26K Grant from Federal government!
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/07/24/james-holmes-received-26k-grant-from-bethesda-based-national-institutes-of-health/ (http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/07/24/james-holmes-received-26k-grant-from-bethesda-based-national-institutes-of-health/)
::gaah::
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I read one article where a witness said he was yelling at people, saying something like "What are you doing?! I told you to stand!", and grabbed at least one victim by the hair or shirt and shooting them at point blank range.
Awful as that is, it underscores, to my mind at least, that a citizen with a concealed firearm probably could have taken him out.
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More likely several would have been close enough to put him down. Just unconscionable.
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Some female type around this house suggested
she would have crawled under the seats and
pulled his legs out from under him.
The people in the audience certainly did not
respond in a manner my fellow high school
students would have.
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I heard a guy on the radio last week, I like the guy but he had the wrong idea. He thought making the cost of bullets $1/ea would make them too expensive for bangers and other would-be murderers to shoot up everyone. Totally misses the mark, all they would do is steal them from businesses and more concerning from us!
We should be encouraging more law-abidding citizens to carry concealed or open and have ZERO harrassment from the authorities for doing so. Once the criminals realize there are a lot of people willing and able to shoot at them, it will cut down on violent crime big time!
Someone elsewhere remarked that O'Reilly was screaming, at whatever "guest", that the killer had 60,000 rounds, not 6,000 and 'that shouldn't be allowed'.
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I heard a guy on the radio last week, I like the guy but he had the wrong idea. He thought making the cost of bullets $1/ea would make them too expensive for bangers and other would-be murderers to shoot up everyone. Totally misses the mark, all they would do is steal them from businesses and more concerning from us!
We should be encouraging more law-abidding citizens to carry concealed or open and have ZERO harrassment from the authorities for doing so. Once the criminals realize there are a lot of people willing and able to shoot at them, it will cut down on violent crime big time!
Someone elsewhere remarked that O'Reilly was screaming, at whatever "guest", that the killer had 60,000 rounds, not 6,000 and 'that shouldn't be allowed'.
Wrong use of the word allowed. He shouldn't have been allowed to breath after being seen aiming weapons at anybody, period. O'Reilly can be such a pompous jackass!
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Oh, this is rich...
James Holmes received $26K Grant from Federal government!
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/07/24/james-holmes-received-26k-grant-from-bethesda-based-national-institutes-of-health/ (http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/07/24/james-holmes-received-26k-grant-from-bethesda-based-national-institutes-of-health/)
::gaah::
Guns don't kill people. Federal Grants do.
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Someone elsewhere remarked that O'Reilly was screaming, at whatever "guest", that the killer had 60,000 rounds, not 6,000 and 'that shouldn't be allowed'.
I had a libtard co-worker tell me that buying so much ammo over a couple of months should have set off alarm bells. I told her I had bought that much. That if you shoot a lot, its not hard to go through 1000 rounds in a day . Besides how many rounds did he get off? 100? You can only carry so much. Should that set off alarm bells too? What about the government buying 450 Million rounds of Hollowpoint? Did that set off any alarm bells in her mind? She doesn't know anything about guns - hell the "breakin" for a lot of weapons is 100-400 rounds. Also had to explain that a "semi-auto assault rifle" is only cosmetically different from other repeatable firearms - including ones with much more destructive force - just that idiots who didn't know anything about them would ban certain weapons by how they looked.
F'ing Libtards.
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Someone elsewhere remarked that O'Reilly was screaming, at whatever "guest", that the killer had 60,000 rounds, not 6,000 and 'that shouldn't be allowed'.
I had a libtard co-worker tell me that buying so much ammo over a couple of months should have set off alarm bells. I told her I had bought that much. That if you shoot a lot, its not hard to go through 1000 rounds in a day . Besides how many rounds did he get off? 100? You can only carry so much. Should that set off alarm bells too? What about the government buying 450 Million rounds of Hollowpoint? Did that set off any alarm bells in her mind? She doesn't know anything about guns - hell the "breakin" for a lot of weapons is 100-400 rounds. Also had to explain that a "semi-auto assault rifle" is only cosmetically different from other repeatable firearms - including ones with much more destructive force - just that idiots who didn't know anything about them would ban certain weapons by how they looked.
F'ing Libtards.
Well, crap, Weisshaupt; that was the criteria used for the AWB, how scary they looooooked.
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Exactly. I remember all the AK-pattern rifles sold during the 90s with the stupid thumb hole stock (referred to on the gun forums as the butt hole stocks). A pistol grip instantly turned them into sentient killing machines, you see. And heaven forbid if it had a muzzle brake on it!
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Yeah, maybe they wouldn't be affraid of rifles if they were all shiny metal instead of all black...
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They don't like black...they raaaacists!
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Oh, this is rich...
James Holmes received $26K Grant from Federal government!
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/07/24/james-holmes-received-26k-grant-from-bethesda-based-national-institutes-of-health/ (http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/07/24/james-holmes-received-26k-grant-from-bethesda-based-national-institutes-of-health/)
::gaah::
Maybe it's another ATF program to get guns into the hands of criminals. "Operation Dark Knight Rises".
Of course, I can't be sure of this connection yet, but I'm looking into it, and I'll confirm as soon as I know whether Eric Holder provided James Holmes with weapons and ammunition to carry out his grizzly murders.
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Leftist nut jobs. I'm so tired of thier drivel. Only a leftist can believe taking our guns creates safety but legalizing drugs will take them off the streets.
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Leftist nut jobs. I'm so tired of thier drivel. Only a leftist can believe taking our guns creates safety but legalizing drugs will take them off the streets.
Very good point!
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Oh, this is rich...
James Holmes received $26K Grant from Federal government!
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/07/24/james-holmes-received-26k-grant-from-bethesda-based-national-institutes-of-health/ (http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/07/24/james-holmes-received-26k-grant-from-bethesda-based-national-institutes-of-health/)
::gaah::
Maybe it's another ATF program to get guns into the hands of criminals. "Operation Dark Knight Rises".
Of course, I can't be sure of this connection yet, but I'm looking into it, and I'll confirm as soon as I know whether Eric Holder provided James Holmes with weapons and ammunition to carry out his grizzly murders.
Yup, I can't say I would be surprised if the Regime was involved, and that speaks volumes in itself.
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More news...
“Inside the package was a notebook full of details about how he was going to kill people,”
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/25/exclusive-movie-massacre-suspect-laid-out-plans-in-package-mailed-to/ (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/25/exclusive-movie-massacre-suspect-laid-out-plans-in-package-mailed-to/)
PS-Look for the DemonRats to demonize drum mags now.
::)
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That can't be true. The TV said, over and over, that there
was nothing in his past to indicate he had a problem.
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That can't be true. The TV said, over and over, that there
was nothing in his past to indicate he had a problem.
Which of course means "we found no evidence that he is a conservative Republican".
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That can't be true. The TV said, over and over, that there
was nothing in his past to indicate he had a problem.
Which of course means "we found no evidence that he is a conservative Republican".
Or a Tea Party member...
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But the Obama & the Left are not letting that stop their Demonization of guns tour #9,402,315,867!
::mooning::
ETA - Speaking of the latter...
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jul/25/obama-calls-measures-against-gun-violence/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jul/25/obama-calls-measures-against-gun-violence/)
The SCoaMF and his bullsh*t about rfiles and criminals is so disingenuous and twisted! Criminals? Really Stymie, you really want to go there Mr. F&F, Mr.Gunwalker, Mr.Free-guns-for-criminals, Mr. Murderer?!
::doublebird::
STFD, STFU or FOAD!
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That can't be true. The TV said, over and over, that there
was nothing in his past to indicate he had a problem.
Which of course means "we found no evidence that he is a conservative Republican".
Or a Tea Party member...
so the conclusion must be that the guns made him do it...
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http://www.walmart.com/search/search-ng.do?search_constraint=0&ic=48_0&Find.x=0&Find.y=0&Find=Find&_ta=1&search_query=lamp%20post&_tt=lamp%20o (http://www.walmart.com/search/search-ng.do?search_constraint=0&ic=48_0&Find.x=0&Find.y=0&Find=Find&_ta=1&search_query=lamp%20post&_tt=lamp%20o)
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(http://ts2.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=4519126591472761&id=14ae0cce7f50d917cd711d04c48cd3bd)
The caption is "reducing crime". LOL.
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(http://ts2.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=4519126591472761&id=14ae0cce7f50d917cd711d04c48cd3bd)
The caption is "reducing crime". LOL.
It might if we start hanging things from it.
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(http://ts2.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=4519126591472761&id=14ae0cce7f50d917cd711d04c48cd3bd)
The caption is "reducing crime". LOL.
It might if we start hanging things from it.
Precisely.
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Anybody watch Lou Dobbs?
Gun Sales Rise in Colorado Since Aurora Shooting
Jul 24, 2012
http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/1752177455001 (http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/1752177455001)
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Sipsey Street Irregulars Blog author Mike Vanderboegh, GunTruths and Citizens of America co-founder David Codrea and FNC legal analyst Lis Wiehl on the potential impact on Second Amendment rights after the shooting in Aurora, Colorado.
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Anybody watch Lou Dobbs?
Gun Sales Rise in Colorado Since Aurora Shooting
Jul 24, 2012
http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/1752177455001 (http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/1752177455001)
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Sipsey Street Irregulars Blog author Mike Vanderboegh, GunTruths and Citizens of America co-founder David Codrea and FNC legal analyst Lis Wiehl on the potential impact on Second Amendment rights after the shooting in Aurora, Colorado.
ROTFLMAO! "Liberalism always generates the exact opposite of its stated intent." - Jim Quinn
The Five Stages of Bull...." (http://www.smallestminority.blogspot.com/2012/07/the-five-stages-of-bullsh*t.html)
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ROTFLMAO! "Liberalism always generates the exact opposite of its stated intent." - Jim Quinn
The Five Stages of Bull...." (http://www.smallestminority.blogspot.com/2012/07/the-five-stages-of-bullsh*t.html)
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Sorry, the page you were looking for in this blog does not exist.
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Go here ---
http://www.smallestminority.blogspot.com/ (http://www.smallestminority.blogspot.com/)
... and scroll down just a bit. He wrote "bullsh_t" in the link and it won't show up here; the "i" is rendered as "*".
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He can only face one direction at a time.
True, and despite the gas mask, I figure he wasn't able to see any more clearly than anyone else there.
Sidebar: a short time after Columbine, a man with his head screwed on straight began offering seminars for school kids whereby he instructed them in alternatives to hiding under their desks, kissing their asses goodbye, in the event they should find themselves under siege. He advised the kids to begin throwing anything and everything at the assailant in order to distract him enough to either grab away the gun or knock him on his ass -- and then grab the gun if they could -- or to provide any opportunity for some to run away to safety.
Ran across this (http://blog.joehuffman.org/2012/07/26/LetsRollPt2RedcoatsRiskAndActiveShooters.aspx) today; {eta: I don't know if it's} It is not the original as I mentioned. Nevertheless .... The author's first piece is "Let's Roll"; this one is more action-specific, and titled "Let's Roll II". Flight 93-type "Let's roll ....".
"So, what can teachers and students do differently, so that things don’t go badly for the “false positive” scares, but gives them a fighting chance when things take a dramatic turn for the worse, and the shooter is at the door? What can be done that doesn’t require massive bureaucratic intervention and interference? The police come to stop the violence by displaying a willingness and ability to use counter-violence – why can we, the average person, not do the same?
Use history and human nature as guides. Most mass shootings (just talking about in the developed world, and not government-sponsored or drug-war stuff) have been lone gunmen, so you likely only need to stop one and you are done – that’s the history. Secondly, it is human nature to duck and dodge things flying into your face or at your body, and it is very hard to focus on something precision (like aiming and shooting) when you are in pain and blind. So, when a lockdown occurs, rather than immediately cowering in fear hoping to be shot last, everybody grab something they can throw, or hit with, to use as a weapon, or get out a BRIGHT flashlight (or even a cell phone camera flash; temporary blinding and disorientation is a MAJOR help in a fight). When hiding, arrange yourselves around the door or other most likely entry point, with the biggest and strongest nearest the door, but at least a few paces back. Those nearest the door should be holding stuff that makes a good club (be creative – like the heavy iron 3-hole punch, a meter stick, using a marker or Sharpie like a kubotan, or a shovel from the wetlands ecology project last month you just “happen” to still have), or a couple of them might use a desk they can push or hold up in front of themselves. If an active shooter comes in the door, everyone shine lights in his eyes, throw stuff at him, scream a battle cry, and CHARGE! The folks in the first rank charge in, planning on knocking the weapon up, jamming the action, hitting or blinding or disabling the shooter in any way possible. Bury him in weight of numbers, use knees, biting, clubbing, anything that causes pain, distraction, immobility, damage, or blindness. The second rank should be ready to dive in to help, pull back the injured to clear the way for more counter-attackers, or whatever. The physically weakest should shine flashlights into the attacker’s eyes to blind him, watch for other shooters, or prepare to lend a hand in any way possible (such as keeping a power-cord or other tie-‘em-up handy to give to the primary counter-attackers once the shooter is subdued). If the event happens in a cafeteria or gym, throw your lunch, a can of soda, hot soup or coffee, a ball, or anything else handy, and charge in for the take-down.
This sort of plan does not interfere with the normal lock-down procedures of “lock-lights-hide”, can be implemented independently by individual teachers, and can be modified and adapted to specific classroom layouts and student age and abilities. It empowers kids, and trains them that the proper reaction to senseless violence is not cowering in fear or meek compliance but to do what the police do and use determined and purposeful counter-violence, to raise the price of being anti-social. It creates an anti-victim mindset. It lays the groundwork for a stronger appreciation of what it is to be an American, and a free human. It also inculcates a recognition that action is what stops psychopaths.
Now, to be sure, many police departments are likely to oppose this idea – it’s their job we are talking about taking from them. If after an attempted school shooting, two rookies, a sergeant, and a coroner with a spatula can clean up and document the mess, then there are a whole lot of neat toys the local PD can’t justify buying, and a lot of security programs that won’t get funded, a lot of grief councilors won’t be hired. It is in their best interests for you to be dependent on them; it is not in your best interests, however. Some teachers will be opposed to it too, on the grounds that it flies in the face of their ideology of “violence never solved anything,” which is laughably, provably, wrong, as well as being quite at odds with American history.
If people are trained to do this in schools, then mass-shootings elsewhere in public become less likely, too, because a “counter-attack” mentality means they are more likely to be dragged down promptly, ending the spree. It will teach teamwork and coordination, self-defense, and an active rather than passive mentality. It will also help in building self-confidence, by creating an independent outlook on life. Research shows that people who are targeted in a violent confrontation have much less PTSD and other psychiatric recovery issues if they fought back and won, even if injured, than if they were a passive receiver of violence. When the would-be victims fight back, it allows for heroes worthy of emulation on the good guys side, and destroys the image the sociopath has of themselves.
Is this a perfect solution to the problem of mass shooting and murderous psychopaths? Will it guarantee no casualties? Will it always work perfectly? Well, no, of course not. All choices and actions are an exercise in trade-offs. But it is virtually free to implement, may be laid out in a very short time to a class if an emergency arises elsewhere in the building that you fear might head your way, has many potential positive side-effects, and few downsides. It’s a start toward creating a mindset in the nation of refusing to be a victim."
Not only do the cops not like this, I'm betting a good majority of the teachers won't either. In those cases, parents need to cobble together a group of kids and their parents and present their own seminar.
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thanks.
I shared this with my kids.
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Taking from the police? Yeah, right! They surrendered, caved in, and refuse to "protect & serve"...
If you and I don't protect ourselves, nobody will, period.
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Taking from the police? Yeah, right! They surrendered, caved in, and refuse to "protect & serve"...
If you and I don't protect ourselves, nobody will, period.
And I am done caring what the authorities want, believe or advocate.
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He can only face one direction at a time.
True, and despite the gas mask, I figure he wasn't able to see any more clearly than anyone else there.
Sidebar: a short time after Columbine, a man with his head screwed on straight began offering seminars for school kids whereby he instructed them in alternatives to hiding under their desks, kissing their asses goodbye, in the event they should find themselves under siege. He advised the kids to begin throwing anything and everything at the assailant in order to distract him enough to either grab away the gun or knock him on his ass -- and then grab the gun if they could -- or to provide any opportunity for some to run away to safety.
Ran across this (http://blog.joehuffman.org/2012/07/26/LetsRollPt2RedcoatsRiskAndActiveShooters.aspx) today; {eta: I don't know if it's} It is not the original as I mentioned. Nevertheless .... The author's first piece is "Let's Roll"; this one is more action-specific, and titled "Let's Roll II". Flight 93-type "Let's roll ....".
"So, what can teachers and students do differently, so that things don’t go badly for the “false positive” scares, but gives them a fighting chance when things take a dramatic turn for the worse, and the shooter is at the door? What can be done that doesn’t require massive bureaucratic intervention and interference? The police come to stop the violence by displaying a willingness and ability to use counter-violence – why can we, the average person, not do the same?
Use history and human nature as guides. Most mass shootings (just talking about in the developed world, and not government-sponsored or drug-war stuff) have been lone gunmen, so you likely only need to stop one and you are done – that’s the history. Secondly, it is human nature to duck and dodge things flying into your face or at your body, and it is very hard to focus on something precision (like aiming and shooting) when you are in pain and blind. So, when a lockdown occurs, rather than immediately cowering in fear hoping to be shot last, everybody grab something they can throw, or hit with, to use as a weapon, or get out a BRIGHT flashlight (or even a cell phone camera flash; temporary blinding and disorientation is a MAJOR help in a fight). When hiding, arrange yourselves around the door or other most likely entry point, with the biggest and strongest nearest the door, but at least a few paces back. Those nearest the door should be holding stuff that makes a good club (be creative – like the heavy iron 3-hole punch, a meter stick, using a marker or Sharpie like a kubotan, or a shovel from the wetlands ecology project last month you just “happen” to still have), or a couple of them might use a desk they can push or hold up in front of themselves. If an active shooter comes in the door, everyone shine lights in his eyes, throw stuff at him, scream a battle cry, and CHARGE! The folks in the first rank charge in, planning on knocking the weapon up, jamming the action, hitting or blinding or disabling the shooter in any way possible. Bury him in weight of numbers, use knees, biting, clubbing, anything that causes pain, distraction, immobility, damage, or blindness. The second rank should be ready to dive in to help, pull back the injured to clear the way for more counter-attackers, or whatever. The physically weakest should shine flashlights into the attacker’s eyes to blind him, watch for other shooters, or prepare to lend a hand in any way possible (such as keeping a power-cord or other tie-‘em-up handy to give to the primary counter-attackers once the shooter is subdued). If the event happens in a cafeteria or gym, throw your lunch, a can of soda, hot soup or coffee, a ball, or anything else handy, and charge in for the take-down.
This sort of plan does not interfere with the normal lock-down procedures of “lock-lights-hide”, can be implemented independently by individual teachers, and can be modified and adapted to specific classroom layouts and student age and abilities. It empowers kids, and trains them that the proper reaction to senseless violence is not cowering in fear or meek compliance but to do what the police do and use determined and purposeful counter-violence, to raise the price of being anti-social. It creates an anti-victim mindset. It lays the groundwork for a stronger appreciation of what it is to be an American, and a free human. It also inculcates a recognition that action is what stops psychopaths.
Now, to be sure, many police departments are likely to oppose this idea – it’s their job we are talking about taking from them. If after an attempted school shooting, two rookies, a sergeant, and a coroner with a spatula can clean up and document the mess, then there are a whole lot of neat toys the local PD can’t justify buying, and a lot of security programs that won’t get funded, a lot of grief councilors won’t be hired. It is in their best interests for you to be dependent on them; it is not in your best interests, however. Some teachers will be opposed to it too, on the grounds that it flies in the face of their ideology of “violence never solved anything,” which is laughably, provably, wrong, as well as being quite at odds with American history.
If people are trained to do this in schools, then mass-shootings elsewhere in public become less likely, too, because a “counter-attack” mentality means they are more likely to be dragged down promptly, ending the spree. It will teach teamwork and coordination, self-defense, and an active rather than passive mentality. It will also help in building self-confidence, by creating an independent outlook on life. Research shows that people who are targeted in a violent confrontation have much less PTSD and other psychiatric recovery issues if they fought back and won, even if injured, than if they were a passive receiver of violence. When the would-be victims fight back, it allows for heroes worthy of emulation on the good guys side, and destroys the image the sociopath has of themselves.
Is this a perfect solution to the problem of mass shooting and murderous psychopaths? Will it guarantee no casualties? Will it always work perfectly? Well, no, of course not. All choices and actions are an exercise in trade-offs. But it is virtually free to implement, may be laid out in a very short time to a class if an emergency arises elsewhere in the building that you fear might head your way, has many potential positive side-effects, and few downsides. It’s a start toward creating a mindset in the nation of refusing to be a victim."
Not only do the cops not like this, I'm betting a good majority of the teachers won't either. In those cases, parents need to cobble together a group of kids and their parents and present their own seminar.
The day a plan like this is acknowledged and implemented will be well beyond the date after which we've already reclaimed the country from the Leftist enemy.
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Taking from the police? Yeah, right! They surrendered, caved in, and refuse to "protect & serve"...
If you and I don't protect ourselves, nobody will, period.
That stood out immediately for me too.
I trained to be a lifeguard and passed my certification when I was in my teens. I learned hoe to do deep-water rescues which I understand are not politically correct these days. We learned techniques for rescuing people in distress without unduly endangering ourselves. We also knew that there were some risks involved that could be mitigated and managed but not always eliminated. Even as a kid I understood and accepted those risks because I wanted to do something of value.
When I look back upon the Columbine Massacre and other similar incidents I see that the po-po response was first and foremost to CYA. Innocent civilians who depended on the po-po lost their lives because the po-po were protecting themselves. Yes, there are circumstances where I expect the cops to take a bullet. If they aren't prepared to do this they're in the wrong line of work. That said, I won't ever hold my breath.
And that said, I totally concur with this line of training. Better to die on your feet fighting like a man...
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Taking from the police? Yeah, right! They surrendered, caved in, and refuse to "protect & serve"...
If you and I don't protect ourselves, nobody will, period.
How pacified our culture has become.
It has always been our duty to protect
ourselves and our neighbors, it's been
erased by the re-writers of our history.
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The day a plan like this is acknowledged and implemented will be well beyond the date after which we've already reclaimed the country from the Leftist enemy.
Aw hell, IDP; acknowledged and implemented by whom? The Powers Thet be? Screw that; the best of us never sat on our asses waiting to be told what to do. This here passing on of instruction is what parents have always done and their doing so now will be the saving of us. Teach it to your sons, tell them to tell it to their friends; this is the sort of forthright action that appeals to young men needing to assert themselves in the way young men do, warriors in training.
The conventional wisdom for dealing with airliner hijackings was to not resist and all would be well. Until it wasn't. How long did it take for such "wisdom" to be dumped out the airlock? As little as 2-3 hours, when the folks on United Flight 93 realized that meekly putting their heads between their legs and kissing their asses goodbye was not the way to go, so they went out fighting.
The acknowledgement will come long after the implementation is put into practice, and who gives a royal rat's?
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It's like all that unmitigated bullsh*t the Only Ones feed the public:
- Don't resist the assailant
- Give them what they want
- A gun will only be taken from you and used against you
- Just carry a cell phone and a whistle
- Don't take the law into your own hands
More exaltation of victimhood. It's pathetic. Especially when nominal men repeat this nonsense. For God's sake sound off like you've got a pair. We're Americans, not Frenchmen.
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It's like all that unmitigated bullsh*t the Only Ones feed the public:
- Don't resist the assailant
- Give them what they want
- A gun will only be taken from you and used against you
- Just carry a cell phone and a whistle
- Don't take the law into your own hands
More exaltation of victimhood. It's pathetic. Especially when nominal men repeat this nonsense. For God's sake sound off like you've got a pair. We're Americans, not Frenchmen.
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- A gun will only be taken from you and used against you
If its so god damn easy why didn't someone in that theater take the gun from him?
The only way you get your gun taken from you is if you draw it and Don't fire it at someone trying to take it.
If you aren't prepared to use the thing then don't carry it, and certainly don't draw and point.
Even if it were taken from you - at least you did something. If your life is already in danger, its not going to be in more danger because your assailant now has your gun.
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Absolutely. That inane little admonition has always set me off. It's hard to take it away if it's slinging pieces of lead at the assailant at 1200 feet per second.
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It's like all that unmitigated bullsh*t the Only Ones feed the public:
- Don't resist the assailant
- Give them what they want
- A gun will only be taken from you and used against you
- Just carry a cell phone and a whistle
- Don't take the law into your own hands
More exaltation of victimhood. It's pathetic. Especially when nominal men repeat this nonsense. For God's sake sound off like you've got a pair. We're Americans, not Frenchmen.
1) The obama re election theme. ( or carry a condom)
2) The obama administration ( or carry a condom)
3) Too bad this advise wasn't followed in every mass murder the last 20 years.
4) As opposed to actually protecting yourself
5) Yea, just die.
If you have friends who believe such nonsense...you need new friends.
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I ran into this, and she (mis)characterized it as "agreement with what was said":
I also like what {was} said, but I could see a problem getting everyone to go along with it, when push came to shove. If only a few ended up using those suggestions, it could make the shooter even angrier, with more getting hurt. On Flight 93 they had time to discuss a plan of action, and be sure everyone was in on it.
You know what "they" say; everything before the "but" is BS? And apparently, she forgot everyone on Flight 93 died anyway, thereby missing the point.
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This guy is a weak-kneed coward who had to dress up to be a big, scary tough guy. If we had a society that recognized real men he'd never tried it.
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Real men were brought up to respect firearms and instructed in their use, they did not resort to them to settle conflicts because that is why God gave us fists to settle disputes, and nobody up to my generation carried a grudge that led to grabbing a gun out of your parents gun case and go shoot somebody. Such behavior was rightly attributed to people of bad and evil character and never entered the consciousness of our youth. Ever since the womens movement, the hippie sub-culture, the militant radicals like the Weather Underground and Black Panthers, PP and all the crap advanced under breakneck speed by the pc/diversity/multi-culti crowd, boys have been emasculated and taught that fists are bad, that competition is bad, that everything that makes a boy a boy and a man a man is unseemly and a throwback to our Neolithic ancestors. Boys are brought to counciling and told they are exhibiting anti-social behavior if they stand up for themselves, they are taught that passiveness is noble and that violence is never the answer, that friendship with other males is no different than harboring sexual desires for same sex experiementation...is it any wonder that we've created ticking time bombs who knowing no other way to express themselves or their disappointments and frustrations sometimes lash out in horrific fashion? I am by no means attributing all social ills of society and the acts of all mass muderers on the insanity of the liberal social agenda, but it cannot be said it has helped in any way to prevent it. Most mass muderers and other violent criminals can be seen to have had some break point in their lives where a disconnect ocurred between the rational and irrational, dysfunctional households, abuse, neglect and mentors sending mixed messages. Society created these people, yet inanimate objects like guns are to blame, the mass murderer is a victim too. The latter is true, but not at the end point, they were victimized by parents, teachers and counselors who advocated things not designed to benefit the individual but to benefit the advancement of liberal ideology and goals long before the horrific act took place. I see no difference between F&F on the one hand and mass murderers that slid through the failed social experiments allowed to run amok in homes, schools and places of work on the other. It is all part of the same disease and manipulated by the same agitators.
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Yikes.
ABCNews (yeah, I know) is reporting (http://abcnews.go.com/US/james-holmes-psychiatrist-contacted-university-police-weeks-movie/story?id=16943858#.UCB4EEIhON0) that the Joker's psychiatrist DID warn police about him weeks before the shooting.
Lawyers everywhere are taking notice.
The psychiatrist who treated suspected movie-theater shooter James Holmes made contact with a University of Colorado police officer to express concerns about her patient's behavior several weeks before Holmes' alleged rampage, sources told ABC News.
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Ever since the womens movement, the hippie sub-culture, the militant radicals like the Weather Underground and Black Panthers, PP and all the crap advanced under breakneck speed by the pc/diversity/multi-culti crowd, boys have been emasculated and taught that fists are bad, that competition is bad, that everything that makes a boy a boy and a man a man is unseemly and a throwback to our Neolithic ancestors. Boys are brought to counciling and told they are exhibiting anti-social behavior if they stand up for themselves, they are taught that passiveness is noble and that violence is never the answer, that friendship with other males is no different than harboring sexual desires for same sex experiementation...is it any wonder that we've created ticking time bombs who knowing no other way to express themselves or their disappointments and frustrations sometimes lash out in horrific fashion?
"The first rule of Fight Club is: You do not talk about Fight Club."
There really is something to this I think. From the moment of birth, boys are cowed and henpecked by a feminized culture that insists all natural male instinct and behavior is somehow aberrant and sociopathic. I remember all that nonsense in school about how someone who throws a fist in self-defense is no different than the initiator of violence, how competitiveness is disdained, and countless other examples everywhere.
It produces a neurotic syndrome, not unlike caged animals in zoos. I'm sure many PhD dissertations in animal behavior have been written about novel behaviors observed in captive animals, never ever seen in their wild counterparts. I don't think it's such a stretch to say that humans undergo something similar, especially males and especially in the past generation or two as existence has become even more nannified.
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Yikes.
ABCNews (yeah, I know) is reporting (http://abcnews.go.com/US/james-holmes-psychiatrist-contacted-university-police-weeks-movie/story?id=16943858#.UCB4EEIhON0) that the Joker's psychiatrist DID warn police about him weeks before the shooting.
Lawyers everywhere are taking notice.
The psychiatrist who treated suspected movie-theater shooter James Holmes made contact with a University of Colorado police officer to express concerns about her patient's behavior several weeks before Holmes' alleged rampage, sources told ABC News.
OK, I will broach the possibility...
What did the police know and when did they know it? Were any other LEO's in state or Federal offices given this information?
Perhaps because he is still breathing indicates he is not a patsy, but such is my level of trust in authorities now days!
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Ever since the womens movement, the hippie sub-culture, the militant radicals like the Weather Underground and Black Panthers, PP and all the crap advanced under breakneck speed by the pc/diversity/multi-culti crowd, boys have been emasculated and taught that fists are bad, that competition is bad, that everything that makes a boy a boy and a man a man is unseemly and a throwback to our Neolithic ancestors. Boys are brought to counciling and told they are exhibiting anti-social behavior if they stand up for themselves, they are taught that passiveness is noble and that violence is never the answer, that friendship with other males is no different than harboring sexual desires for same sex experiementation...is it any wonder that we've created ticking time bombs who knowing no other way to express themselves or their disappointments and frustrations sometimes lash out in horrific fashion?
"The first rule of Fight Club is: You do not talk about Fight Club."
There really is something to this I think. From the moment of birth, boys are cowed and henpecked by a feminized culture that insists all natural male instinct and behavior is somehow aberrant and sociopathic. I remember all that nonsense in school about how someone who throws a fist in self-defense is no different than the initiator of violence, how competitiveness is disdained, and countless other examples everywhere.
It produces a neurotic syndrome, not unlike caged animals in zoos. I'm sure many PhD dissertations in animal behavior have been written about novel behaviors observed in captive animals, never ever seen in their wild counterparts. I don't think it's such a stretch to say that humans undergo something similar, especially males and especially in the past generation or two as existence has become even more nannified.
Yup. It is an intentional and systematic effort the supress the alpha males, all they want are pliant beta males, much easier to enslave and control.
You see that guy in the Olympics who was disqualified for "not trying hard enough"? There is the seemingly perfect beta-male and he's being punished for beta-male behavior because they sense he is not a true beta-male but a alpha-male in beta-male clothing trying to set up a better kill. The more we try to deny reality all people are doing is ensuring reality finds a new and better way to reassert itself.
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Convert to Islam? Sure, seems to be the murderers psuedo-religion of choice.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2296440/Dark-Knight-killer-James-Holmes-Muslim-prays-times-day.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2296440/Dark-Knight-killer-James-Holmes-Muslim-prays-times-day.html)
I say we cut his fricken head off, after extensive waterboarding first though to find out who his puppetmasters might be!
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Convert to Islam? Sure, seems to be the murderers psuedo-religion of choice.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2296440/Dark-Knight-killer-James-Holmes-Muslim-prays-times-day.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2296440/Dark-Knight-killer-James-Holmes-Muslim-prays-times-day.html)
I say we cut his fricken head off, after extensive waterboarding first though to find out who his puppetmasters might be!
Makes me curious as to the timeline. Is he a convert since his massacre? Or was he a 'Slim before, and the media hid the truth?
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When you consider that he probably looked at the ineptitude of the regime dealing with FOrt Hood murderer/terrorist anything is possible. "Hey look, that sand nigger is getting a free ride". ::facepalm::
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Yeah, I'm guessing he may have had this in mind before the fact thinking it would be a good way to gain better treatment if he was captured and tossed in the can, but I really could care less. Slaying this evil is needed, but I really want to sweat info out of him. Since he is still breathing the patsy angle might be moot, but I believe in being thorough.