It's About Liberty: A Conservative Forum
Topics => General Board => Topic started by: Libertas on March 20, 2013, 07:04:09 AM
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Pretty good read, not a lot to disagree with, Smith really likes to go after the SPLC which fully deserves it.
The SPLC and others within the establishment accuse the Liberty Movement of arming for conflict against the government. I am here to tell them that is EXACTLY what we are doing. We are arming because the establishment is arming against us. Yes, we are a threat, but only to political and corporate criminals who use subversion and violence to wrest freedom from the hands of good people. I am not afraid to openly admit it. I and many others will fight against any measure or man that seeks to undermine the rights of the people or destroy the founding principles of this nation.
We will not allow engineered economic collapse to go unpunished. We will not allow internationalists to subdue American sovereignty. We will not allow national gun registration or confiscation. We will not allow martial law to be instituted. We will not allow American citizens to be imprisoned or assassinated without trial. We will not allow any presidential administration, black or white, Republican or Democrat, to become a De facto dictatorship with no accountability to the public.
Regardless of what they might say about us in the future, these are the reasons why we will fight, and our pledges to resist are not empty assertions. We will stop the course of tyranny from completing in this country and in this era, one way or another. If this makes us “extremists”, or “terrorists”, then so be it. I, for one, am tired of the long running game of lies and reserved rhetoric. They know a fight is coming, and we know a fight is coming. Let’s just admit it and be done with it. Their greatest weakness is that they have to use deceit, propaganda, media monopoly, and false flag violence in order to convince the public that they are the “right side”. All we have to do is continue telling the truth, and stand fast…
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-03-19/guest-post-real-reasons-why-liberty-movement-preparing-fight (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-03-19/guest-post-real-reasons-why-liberty-movement-preparing-fight)
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There was a quote (or a headline) that I saw in passing a few days ago. I didn't pursue it because it was from abc (I think). The scare line was something to the effect of "Radical right-wing prepares for war (against America)". I suppose I should have followed though and looked at it but I was distracted with trying to scratch out a living and just didn't have time.
Now, the basic impulse is to either be horrified at the notion or reflexively reject the statement. I didn't. What I did was to say (to myself) "If even a fraction of what is claimed about preparations by our own government to subjugate us are true, who wouldn't arm themselves?"
The thing to remember is that our reaction is defensive and a direct result of their acts and posture. They are forcing a fight or flight response from us.
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There was a quote (or a headline) that I saw in passing a few days ago. I didn't pursue it because it was from abc (I think). The scare line was something to the effect of "Radical right-wing prepares for war (against America)". I suppose I should have followed though and looked at it but I was distracted with trying to scratch out a living and just didn't have time.
Now, the basic impulse is to either be horrified at the notion or reflexively reject the statement. I didn't. What I did was to say (to myself) "If even a fraction of what is claimed about preparations by our own government to subjugate us are true, who wouldn't arm themselves?"
The thing to remember is that our reaction is defensive and a direct result of their acts and posture. They are forcing a fight or flight response from us.
Amen!
Unfortunately our foes care little of the truth, which in turn creates little care in us for their welfare in return.
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The way I see it is, we're not looking to wage war, just defend ourselves against an out-of-control govt assuming powers not delegated.
It's as American as Apple Pie and baseball.
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Dan, your avatar sums it up quite well.
If the shooting hasn't already started, it probably won't
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Dan, your avatar sums it up quite well.
If the shooting hasn't already started, it probably won't
The Revolutionary War didn't begin till AFTER the British occupied Boston and closed the harbor.
Many of us have bought our weapons. Many of us are telling them "F you, I will not obey"
Now its their move. If King George and Parliament had decided to not engage, we would probably still be British subjects.
Make me.
Your move.
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We need to keep our eyes open regarding the start of the revolution. It will start with the headline "Domestic Terrorist kills law enforcement officer making a routine visit to home" or something like that. The MSM will not report that the LEO was there to confiscate firearms. There may be a few of these around the nation before we realize the war has started. We need to be vigilant, we need to pay close attention, we need to be ready. Because we are a diverse nation these type of situations will not seem to be related, we must find the relationship and inform others of our findings. I really don't think that there will be a "shot heard around the world" that will signal that it is on. We must observe and report.
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We necessarily have to yield an early tactical advantage to them, just like they did in the Revolution. That means they are going to get away with abusing and murdering the citizenry. Initially.
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We need to keep our eyes open regarding the start of the revolution. It will start with the headline "Domestic Terrorist kills law enforcement officer making a routine visit to home" or something like that. The MSM will not report that the LEO was there to confiscate firearms. There may be a few of these around the nation before we realize the war has started. We need to be vigilant, we need to pay close attention, we need to be ready. Because we are a diverse nation these type of situations will not seem to be related, we must find the relationship and inform others of our findings. I really don't think that there will be a "shot heard around the world" that will signal that it is on. We must observe and report.
You mean like this? (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2296197/Brad-Kollar-Man-blows-suicide-bomb-home-William-Shaner-snitching.html#ixzz2O5CZg3mB)
The House was leveled, but the Garage was not, by a bomb in a truck? Its very rural property too- you can see the furrows in the picture. The debris seems to favor a certain direction, but there is no obvious place in that picture that the truck would have been - unless it was inside the house. Drone Strike and a cover story?
::foilhathelicopter::
Yeah, I know. All conjecture. Unfortunately, anymore, we know the info we get is tainted.
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Was the body of Kollar still frozen?
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We need to keep our eyes open regarding the start of the revolution. It will start with the headline "Domestic Terrorist kills law enforcement officer making a routine visit to home" or something like that. The MSM will not report that the LEO was there to confiscate firearms. There may be a few of these around the nation before we realize the war has started. We need to be vigilant, we need to pay close attention, we need to be ready. Because we are a diverse nation these type of situations will not seem to be related, we must find the relationship and inform others of our findings. I really don't think that there will be a "shot heard around the world" that will signal that it is on. We must observe and report.
You mean like this? (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2296197/Brad-Kollar-Man-blows-suicide-bomb-home-William-Shaner-snitching.html#ixzz2O5CZg3mB)
The House was leveled, but the Garage was not, by a bomb in a truck? Its very rural property too- you can see the furrows in the picture. The debris seems to favor a certain direction, but there is no obviously place in that picture that the truck would have been - unless it was inside the house. Drone Strike and a cover story?
::foilhathelicopter::
Yeah, I know. All conjecture. Unfortunately, anymore, we know the info we get is tainted.
With that level of destruction, how could the body of the perp not have been vaporized if it was in the truck that held the explosives?
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Because he was frozen and the bomb story is bogus?
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Don't have time to look it up right now but yesterday? in Chicago? a store owner who was just robbed was shot eleven times by cops making the call. They thought he was the burglar. They cuffed him to his hospital bed and intimidated him trying to cover their error. He's suing the city. Ben's on to something. Keep your powder dry.
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To be shot 11 times and still alive is another testament to the level of weapons proficiency of the typical cop. I'd lay down $100 that says an average participant in IPSC and IDPA matches could shoot circles around the average cop.
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We need to keep our eyes open regarding the start of the revolution. It will start with the headline "Domestic Terrorist kills law enforcement officer making a routine visit to home" or something like that. The MSM will not report that the LEO was there to confiscate firearms. There may be a few of these around the nation before we realize the war has started. We need to be vigilant, we need to pay close attention, we need to be ready. Because we are a diverse nation these type of situations will not seem to be related, we must find the relationship and inform others of our findings. I really don't think that there will be a "shot heard around the world" that will signal that it is on. We must observe and report.
I agree, and a caveat here about what the "news" and the police report: there will be no perfect victim/s to get behind so we should also be careful about deciding whether "the guy had it coming" or is worthy of defense. Look at Kollar for an example of my point; last year "authorities raided their home and found what they believed to be a meth lab" and a chop shop.
I've seen it here sometimes, and in a few other places; the "victim's" life and behavior is thoroughly scrutinized and, when found to not be a model citizen, is marginalized and dismissed. Many times it had been folks who had been found traveling with or carrying a weapon where "they should have known the gun laws" and that it was illegal, so, shrug.
With the proliferation of laws criminalizing ever more activity (and we've discussed this issue at length, and why), a very few of us couldn't/wouldn't be considered "pure" if it came right down to it. Further, the authorities will choose their first targets with an eye toward how anti-social they can be portrayed, highlighting and exaggerating it, as a deflection.
I tell my friends and family: if anything contra-"legal" happens to me/us, just so you know, we don't have an "arsenal", don't do drugs, and are not operating a meth lab.
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Yeah, there are enough laws now that we are all guilty.
It's a matter of who they choose or a mistake or a target
of opportunity.
Here's a link to the Chicago cops shooting:
Suit: Cops responding to robbery shoot store owner 11 times ... (http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/18839190-418/suit-cops-responding-to-robbery-shoot-store-owner-11-times.html)
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Weisshaupt, the link isn't working for me right now....
Just to add to the mystery and heighten the paranoia.
Ain't life interesting these days?
ETA:CO "Yeah, there are enough laws now that we are all guilty."
And not just "laws", but behavioral profiles, remember? Store food? Ya' might have it comin'. Speak "reverently of Liberty"? Ya' might have it comin'. Own two cell phones? Ya' might have it comin'. Cruise the 'net anonymously?
Hell, you've all seen those new lists of "suspicious" behavior.
And we all fit those profiles.
For a reason.
It started years ago. They just need to accelerate and justify their actions so when it all comes to a screeching halt, and the lid comes off and the lights go out, they can beat up on somebody already fully id'd as "bad".
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Pan's post made me think there is almost a kind of common virus over all the land that makes people go out of their way to rationalize such events because thinking any deeper about them and God forbid dare to even question them would force them to question all authority and all information and shatter their perfect little cocooned lives into a million pieces.
Nah, that's just crazy talk, all is well!
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We are living in dark times, and I fear the real darkness hasn't even kicked into gear yet.