It's About Liberty: A Conservative Forum
Topics => General Board => Topic started by: IronDioPriest on May 02, 2013, 12:27:40 AM
-
29% Think Armed Rebellion May Soon Be Necessary (http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/05/armed-rebellion-poll.php)
Three in 10 registered American voters believe an armed rebellion might be necessary in the next few years, according to the results of a staggering poll released Wednesday by Fairleigh Dickinson University’s PublicMind.
The survey, aimed at measuring public attitudes toward gun issues, found that 29 percent of Americans agree with the statement, “In the next few years, an armed revolution might be necessary in order to protect our liberties.” An additional five percent were unsure.
Eighteen percent of Democrats said an armed revolt “might be necessary,” as compared to 27 percent of independents and 44 percent of Republicans. Support levels were similar among males and females but higher among less educated voters...
...The poll, conducted between April 22-28, surveyed 863 randomly selected registered voters across the country and had a margin of error of plus or minus 3.4 percentage points.
-
Somebody best get this to Congress with some fragrance of burned gun powder.
-
Eighteen percent of Democrats said an armed revolt “might be necessary,”
They won't do a damn thing until their free shyt stops coming.
-
The statists in both parties will be alarmed and take actions counter towards avoiding conflict - they'll crack down harder on the citizenry...
History is like a wheel, it keeps on comin' round and round...
-
It's what Allende wrought in Chile.
-
I bet those numbers are underestimated as well. I think a lot of people would hesitate to answer that question truthfully.
Oh man, the comments on that one have me pissed. All of these liberals claiming that the army would win, that patriots would be traitors etc. That its all just talk. The usual Arrogance and condescension without substance. Laugh while you can. Man they really have no idea what they have sown.
They don't understand that we will die before we submit, that some people really believe that we will demand liberty or death, nor that death isn't plan A. The Army isn't going to be the only target, and these morons really think the army will protect them. They better pray the collapse gets here before the revolution does.
-
The whole canard about "your AR-15 is useless against an M1 Abrams tank" fails to take into account that the nature of a civil war means that everything is divided against itself. Including the military.
They also fail to take into account what asymmetric war will actually look like. Are all these weapon systems going to be easily deployed domestically, where the system's own infrastructure would be damaged or destroyed? Are they going to do "shock & awe" everywhere there are resisters? Sure. Go for it. Go ahead and blow up Alderaan with your Death Star.
-
Yeah, they stoopit beyond repair...and we'll see how confident they are, how committed to action and how willing to sacrifice their very lives and fortunes for their cause once bullets start whizzing by their pathetically empty little heads.
Damn, I can hardly wait!
;D
-
Not an advocate, just a thought exercise. Those tanks have very sophisticated engines therefore are sensitive. Operating those things in an environment were the adversary is literate and technologically adept is very different than in an environment of primitives.
-
I bet those numbers are underestimated as well. I think a lot of people would hesitate to answer that question truthfully.
Oh man, the comments on that one have me pissed. All of these liberals claiming that the army would win, that patriots would be traitors etc. That its all just talk. The usual Arrogance and condescension without substance. Laugh while you can. Man they really have no idea what they have sown.
They don't understand that we will die before we submit, that some people really believe that we will demand liberty or death, nor that death isn't plan A. The Army isn't going to be the only target, and these morons really think the army will protect them. They better pray the collapse gets here before the revolution does.
No kidding, and I didn't even get to "the army would win" ones after a few like this:
Funny to say on the day that the Obama administration filed an appeal of a court order so they can continue to deny contraceptives to a huge swath of women, mostly poor and under-represented women just so they can satisfy their own Christian puritanical views toward teenage sex.
But no doubt they are better for women than the Republican party. I am just feeling a little bitter toward this decision at the moment.
and However Obama has not started any new wars.
and The only people in America that consider a right leaning centrist democran a progressive are right wing conspiracy nuts.
The latter is referring to Obongo. ::facepalm::
These people are .... I don't KNOW what they are, other than nucking futz.
And I'm sure some of that 29% who think armed rebellion is in our future are ones who see US as the target; we don't define Liberty the same way.
-
The whole canard about "your AR-15 is useless against an M1 Abrams tank" fails to take into account that the nature of a civil war means that everything is divided against itself. Including the military.
They also fail to take into account what asymmetric war will actually look like. Are all these weapon systems going to be easily deployed domestically, where the system's own infrastructure would be damaged or destroyed? Are they going to do "shock & awe" everywhere there are resisters? Sure. Go for it. Go ahead and blow up Alderaan with your Death Star.
Exactly. Assume they are right. Say an individual is part of a militia movement, and the government is openly using tanks, planes or drones to attack those people, presumably at work or at home. Do you work or live near one of these radicals? Guess what, you are now "collateral damage" Sure, they can go after an individual farmhouse or compound, but why would patriots be stupid enough assemble there? Liberals always assume that the government will deal with their problems for them. The Police will protect them. I think what they would find is that their homes are being destroyed along with those of their neighbor whom they voted to rob. They will find that the services they depend on are being attacked and the govt is near powerless to stop it. They will cheer the house to house searches of their own property looking for the patriots- but not realize they can't keep it up day after day - in city after city after city. Patriots leave 10 "suspicious packages" around a city containing used pinball machine parts and watch them close down a city and bring in the bomb squads.
Phone in your tips liberals! (http://www.mypalmbeachpost.com/news/news/state-regional-govt-politics/bradshaw-gets-1-million-for-violence-prevention-un/nXbs4/) and patriots will phone in the same. Then there are of the patriots who simply sabotage the works when the opportunity arises. Liberals have such undying faith that the govt can deal with insurrection because their minds can't comprehend that there might actually be a sizable group against them. That the Feds will be going after 100 people in a compound in Waco. If this goes down it may be just 1% of the population. Oh wait, that is still 3,000,000 people. Okay say its 0.01- oops still 30,000 - most with military training. And they turned Boston upside down looking for one unarmed, untrained teenager. Now you have 30,000 rebels working in different cities around the country. They don't have the men or material to deal with it - especially if some others planting decoy events. Then Add to them the millions being targeted in the liberal witch hunt. People who are not actively rebelling in any way, but are pushed to defend themselves and die in their driveways because they are considered a potential threat and the govt decides that a roundup and internment camp is the best way to deal with it? Gonna run out of shock troops fast that way. Not a lot of us are going to go there willingly or without a fight.
Liberals will cheer at the mass arrests and do as they always do - applaud as the government imprisons or mass murders their neighbors without trial! And then, of course, if the patriots fail, it will be their turn. Further, patriots are in an impossible liberty or death situation, why would they refrain from killing the traitorous liberals near them before they go or are taken? Liberals don't think this will be personal- thinking that the govt is between them and the patriots. If the US Military was united against them, the Patriots would surely loose, but why die without taking people who voted to to begin this fight with you?
-
I've been following this story: http://nation.foxnews.com/may-day-protests/2013/05/02/left-wing-violence-rocks-seattle (http://nation.foxnews.com/may-day-protests/2013/05/02/left-wing-violence-rocks-seattle) as I'm reading your comment. Very timely to what you're saying.
Even with advance notice the cops are almost completely unable to control a bunch of pimple-faced kids. What are they gonna do when the lead flies?
-
I wonder how those numbers would look if or back when an (R) was in the White House.
Yeah, teh 18% D's want collectivism, almost certainly.
But I'm very encouraged by the other #'s....
And as you can tell by my avatar, it's well past time, I think.
-
h
Even with advance notice the cops are almost completely unable to control a bunch of pimple-faced kids. What are they gonna do when the lead flies?
What will they do when half of them desert to go home and protect their own rather than fire on civilians? Will the loyal leftists and fools that remain still go on ? Its always someone else's job with a liberal.
We have something we believe in and will die for - our liberty. The cops told to suppress us and risk getting killed? What are they getting out of it? A pension that won't be paid and $50K a year? Most aren't true believers in the power of the state, ready to die for Marxism. Even those who vote Democrat. Why do you suppose the Sheriffs in Colorado have already told the Dems in the State house they won't enforce the new gun laws? Its not worth getting killed to persecute folks who wouldn't hurt anyone if left alone. In a civil war multiply that effect by a 1000. A 16 Man team will visit 16 houses, losing a member at each one. Once word gets around, there will be militias hunting them in the streets, and they will be fired at from almost every window and bush in some areas.
Cops work in an environment where they can mostly trust the public to assist when possible. If even 1% of the population stops doing that, the smart ones will decide it isn't worth it.
-
I would never answer that question unless I was in a room full of people I know very very very well.
-
Interestingly enough, one of our Canadian right of center, Very well respected study groups, just released a paper, stating that there would be violence in Canada, within the same time frame.. Ours will be an Indian uprising, with urban centers cut off, and /or isolated by stoppage of energy needs... Its gonna get interesting soon... ::thinking::
-
Indians as in those early aboriginal inhabitants or Indians as in those inhabitants of the sub-continent India.
-
Indians as in those early aboriginal inhabitants or Indians as in those inhabitants of the sub-continent India.
I'm certain he speaks of the "First Nation", what we affectionately refer to as "Native Americans".
-
Indians as in those early aboriginal inhabitants or Indians as in those inhabitants of the sub-continent India.
Feather not Dot!Better?
-
Interesting. IIRC, one of the rants down here was something like, if we had only treated the Indians as the Canadians did.
-
Interesting. IIRC, one of the rants down here was something like, if we had only treated the Indians as the Canadians did.
We did treat them good, we signed treaties with most, they are given more than any white Canadian, they are treated better, by law, in our criminal justice system, we give them never-ending free education, first pick at most federal or provincial jobs... And they hate our guts...
My grandma was a status Indian from a northern Ontario reserve, she left at 18 years old and never went back... she had absolute contempt for the reserve system and the bureaucrats in the federal government who oversaw the system... I can recall something she said,just before she passed... All the reserves teach the children is, that the white mans ice is always colder... Oh yeah, the fights coming, you can almost taste it in the air...
-
"The white mans ice is always colder!"
I do believe I like the sound of that.
-
There is a segment of the present U.S. population that does not know what liberty is, for they have been reared in an environment that provided for their every whim and need, from the welfare kiddies, who have been locked into the system for generations, to the privileged whites, who have come to demand the instant rewards for which their parents worked for decades. Liberty? What does it mean to them until they no longer reap the benefits.
The question is which side will they be on? Do they support the dying State that has printed money until the money is no longer worth anything? Do they support the Constitutionalists? I see a split: Thirty percent will do whatever the State asks of them, just to be assured of tomorrow's meal. I see thirty percent who know that the prosperity this nation has produced was a result of sacrifice and effort. That leaves about forty percent in the middle. In the present educational system, will they even have a clue as to what this country represents?
Sadly, I think not. When the Federal check bounces, and the inner city denizens begin to eat their own, the result will be worse than any Hollywood fiction of a zombie apocalypse.
-
In order for that to happen(check bounces), the food stores will have to refuse to take the EBT/Obama Food card and well since they're already taking it now, their refusal makes getting paid for last weeks coupons very cumbersome. ::popcorn::