It's About Liberty: A Conservative Forum
Topics => General Board => Topic started by: John Florida on April 04, 2011, 07:45:41 PM
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H/T Rickz:
Barnhardt-Graham-Part1.flv (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qeyrp-V3Jvc#ws)
Barnhardt-Graham-Part2.flv (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LCLDjPNpf4#ws)
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I just this moment finished watching those at American Digest.
And you know why this was my first stop after that.
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Dayum! Here we go baby.
I guess the dictionary's gonna need a new picture next to the word fearless.
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H/T Bonz:
Here's Graham proving that he is indeed spineless:
http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2011/04/lindsey-graham-does-backflips-defending-his-koran-burning-comments/ (http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2011/04/lindsey-graham-does-backflips-defending-his-koran-burning-comments/)
GRAHAM: "No. One thing about free speech is that you can practice your religion and differ with others. Free speech and the freedom of religion doesn’t only guarantee your right to practice your religion, it also allows you to criticize."
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I just linked the videos at the Market Ticker.
Freedom Of Speech: Funny How It's One Way (http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=183527)
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A thousand thanks from this end of the planet. ::cool:: I always said, Islam was dictated to Brother Mo from an angel, just happens that angel's name was Lucifer.
The Qu'ran is proof positive of the existence of Lucifer. ::puke::
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The bacon bookmarks were a nice touch. She should have thrown the bacon in to the pot at the end. Or maybe adding some dog droppings from her front yard. Other than that though, good show.
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This is definitely something to share with the world.
ETA: excellent find JF
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The bacon bookmarks were a nice touch. She should have thrown the bacon in to the pot at the end. Or maybe adding some dog droppings from her front yard. Other than that though, good show.
I thought the bacon was a nice touch myself.
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That was fantastic. Phenomenal.
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That was fantastic. Phenomenal.
I agree. My thinking on this has come around over the last couple days. At first I wasn't sure this kind of demonstration was going to be helpful. After discussion and thought, I've been rethinking and re-examining that. Now Ann Barnhardt has shown me why I was dead wrong to have had any reservations.
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Loved it, and my kid watched most of it with me, and he thought it was great, too!
DEFINITELY sharing this!
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And now, the opinion of a moron. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rick-sanchez/terry-jones-quran-burning_b_843611.html)
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I'm inspired.
Detractors can KMA!
::mooning::
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Caught about 5 minutes of Hannity on the radio yesterday with Pastor Jones as a guest. He was beating the sh*t out of Jones, saying that because Petraeus thinks burning korans endangers troops, that it shouldn't be done.
How can otherwise intelligent people attribute causation for Islamic-motivated slaughter of the infidel to the burning of a book on the other side of the globe? Can't they see the trap of dhimmitude they're falling into? To even acknowledge a correlation is accepting a fallacy that fundamentally undermines our ability to deal with the sick reality of Islam.
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Caught about 5 minutes of Hannity on the radio yesterday with Pastor Jones as a guest. He was beating the sh*t out of Jones, saying that because Petraeus thinks burning korans endangers troops, that it shouldn't be done.
How can otherwise intelligent people attribute causation for Islamic-motivated slaughter of the infidel to the burning of a book on the other side of the globe? Can't they see the trap of dhimmitude they're falling into? To even acknowledge a correlation is accepting a fallacy that fundamentally undermines our ability to deal with the sick reality of Islam.
That's exactly the problem, the left has promoted this faulty premise, (they began with the idea that the criminal/rioter is merely reacting to "social injustice and oppression") and many of the liberal-leaning "conservatives" have allowed these wrong-headed notions to embed themselves in their psyches. It's due, as well, to the need to bend over backward to be "fair".
As far as Petraeus goes, as I recently saw him described, he is The King's man.
eta: Too, I'd forgotten about this (http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/2011/04/04/terry-jones-and-preemptive-capitulation/#comment-306706):
Because in Afghanistan in 2009, US Military personnel threw away, and ultimately burned, confiscated Bibles that were printed in the two most common Afghan languages amid concern they would be used to try to convert Afghans.
That was okay, though, right? Because, once again, the sensitivities of the 'slims are paramount.
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Caught about 5 minutes of Hannity on the radio yesterday with Pastor Jones as a guest. He was beating the sh*t out of Jones, saying that because Petraeus thinks burning korans endangers troops, that it shouldn't be done.
How can otherwise intelligent people attribute causation for Islamic-motivated slaughter of the infidel to the burning of a book on the other side of the globe? Can't they see the trap of dhimmitude they're falling into? To even acknowledge a correlation is accepting a fallacy that fundamentally undermines our ability to deal with the sick reality of Islam.
I caught part of this,too.
I happen to think the Pastor is a nut job, but Hannity was a pathetic whiner.
He kept going on about this putting our troops in danger.
Rules of Engagement put our troops in danger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And....
When did those heathen barbarians need a reason to kill people?
I think I'm in love with Ann Barnhardt.
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...As far as Petraeus goes, as I recently saw him described, he is The King's man....
The king's man indeed... (http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/04/04/135121403/gen-petraeus-being-seriously-considered-for-cia-director-npr-reports)
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What she pointed out to me is how cowed the world has become because of fear of being killed by these nutjobs.This little woman has shown how the reality is IT'S PAPER AND INK and nothing more. But when you have millions and millions of brainwashed savages that believe that a book has more value than a human life it shows how ignorant they really are and how idiotic our response to them is.
It's a book and nothing more.Hell most of them can't even read.
Somebody that knows how please save these in your hard drives before they are taken down.
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He kept going on about this putting our troops in danger.
Am I missing something?
The very nature of our troops automatically put them in danger. What am I missing?
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I remember Hannity being a whiny little bitch about it back when Jones first threatened to burn one this past summer. This was on the heels of the Ground Zero mosque controversy, something which Hannity was unequivocally opposed to. Yet, he and those like him apparently can't see their own contradiction. Faisel Rauf, the 'slim behind the Ground Zero mosque, made the argument that it would endanger American troops abroad if "the Muslim world" saw their effort to build a mosque being shut down. Yet Hannity bought that argument hook line and sinker in a slightly different form with regard to the attacks on Jones.
You want to know why liberalism has been running roughshod on us for decades? Because people like Hannity are the supposed conservative stalwarts. They've digested so many of the Left's premises in some lame effort to "pre-but" various accusations that they squander any semblance of coherent ideology.
It's the absolutely most idiotic line of reasoning to march down, this notion of "it will endanger our troops". If we seriously have to get the entire government-media complex fired up on one virtually anonymous American citizen for some mundane act else it "endanger our troops", then we've obviously got our troops somewhere they don't need to be. Time to revise the rules of engagement or nuke the entire site from orbit. Seriously, what's next? The jihadis are adept at manipulating the dhimmitude of our media, and this incident is going to communicate all the wrong messages. Namely that we have internalized the assertion that our way of life must be the one to yield to theirs. If this "we can't do that because it will endanger our troops" argument becomes fixated, the jihadis will push it to truly absurd ends. Better not eat pork! Women better cover up! It will go on and on and on, and hypocrites like Hannity will refuse to accept blame for their role in normalizing it.
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He kept going on about this putting our troops in danger.
Am I missing something?
The very nature of our troops automatically put them in danger. What am I missing?
The blasted ROE put 'em in danger, but who's whinging prominently about that, tell me.
No, you're not missing anything; your problem is you're still sane.
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I remember Hannity being a whiny little bitch about it back when Jones first threatened to burn one this past summer. This was on the heels of the Ground Zero mosque controversy, something which Hannity was unequivocally opposed to. Yet, he and those like him apparently can't see their own contradiction. Faisel Rauf, the 'slim behind the Ground Zero mosque, made the argument that it would endanger American troops abroad if "the Muslim world" saw their effort to build a mosque being shut down. Yet Hannity bought that argument hook line and sinker in a slightly different form with regard to the attacks on Jones.
You want to know why liberalism has been running roughshod on us for decades? Because people like Hannity are the supposed conservative stalwarts. They've digested so many of the Left's premises in some lame effort to "pre-but" various accusations that they squander any semblance of coherent ideology.
It's the absolutely most idiotic line of reasoning to march down, this notion of "it will endanger our troops". If we seriously have to get the entire government-media complex fired up on one virtually anonymous American citizen for some mundane act else it "endanger our troops", then we've obviously got our troops somewhere they don't need to be. Time to revise the rules of engagement or nuke the entire site from orbit. Seriously, what's next? The jihadis are adept at manipulating the dhimmitude of our media, and this incident is going to communicate all the wrong messages. Namely that we have internalized the assertion that our way of life must be the one to yield to theirs. If this "we can't do that because it will endanger our troops" argument becomes fixated, the jihadis will push it to truly absurd ends. Better not eat pork! Women better cover up! It will go on and on and on, and hypocrites like Hannity will refuse to accept blame for their role in normalizing it.
Amen! That's what I mean!!
5 stars!!
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What doesn't inflame these Islaminals to violence? Jews? Women who disobey men? Secularism? Homosexuals? Drawings of Mohamed? Christians? The existence of non-Muslims?
My point here is that if we're going to say that burning a koran is causative of Islamic violence, and that we ought not do it, what else shall we do or not not do in order to satisfy their outrage?
There is nothing we can do but eradicate Islam from the face of the earth. Then the threat of violence from Islam will be eliminated.
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He kept going on about this putting our troops in danger.
Am I missing something?
The very nature of our troops automatically put them in danger. What am I missing?
The blasted ROE put 'em in danger, but who's whinging prominently about that, tell me.
No, you're not missing anything; your problem is you're still sane.
Burning the Koran endangers them. Not letting them shoot kills them.
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He kept going on about this putting our troops in danger.
Am I missing something?
The very nature of our troops automatically put them in danger. What am I missing?
The blasted ROE put 'em in danger, but who's whinging prominently about that, tell me.
No, you're not missing anything; your problem is you're still sane.
Burning the Koran endangers them. Not letting them shoot kills them.
::guitar::WE HAVE A WINNER!!! ::rimshot::
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...Burning the Koran endangers them. Not letting them shoot kills them.
I'm really coming to strongly reject the notion that burning the koran endangers troops. Being in an islamic hell-hole among a nation of people for whom evil is god endangers our troops. The koran had nothing to do with this incident aside from the words written within it and people's adherence to its doctrine.
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Those of you who have been here will know that I have said for years that Hannity is a light weight. Not a serious thinker. He is a guy banging a pot with a spoon, the operative strategy being to achieve notoriety by making the most noise.
Dittos: O'Reilly.
Hannity has really got to be testing the patience of his close friends, Limbaugh and Levin. I cannot believe that either one of them buys into this preposterous and cowardly notion. And I hope I'm not wrong on that.
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...Burning the Koran endangers them. Not letting them shoot kills them.
I'm really coming to strongly reject the notion that burning the koran endangers troops. Being in an islamic hell-hole among a nation of people for whom evil is god endangers our troops. The koran had nothing to do with this incident aside from the words written within it and people's adherence to its doctrine.
Then you are inline with Andy McCarthy... (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/263790/no-more-dhimmitude-andrew-c-mccarthy)
[blockquote]What should our new policy be? We should have as little to do with Muslim countries as possible. At home, we should focus on the political and legal terrain with an eye toward:
(a) distinguishing between our allies in the American Muslim community (i.e., those who do not want to impose sharia on public life) and those who seek to undermine our constitutional system, so we can marginalize the latter;
(b) excluding from the United States aliens who would support supplanting the U.S. Constitution with a sharia system (i.e., revisiting the hash Congress and the courts have made regarding the reliance on anti-American ideology — not just ties to violence — as a basis for keeping non-Americans out of our country); and
(c) cutting off immigration from, and sharply reducing contacts with, Muslim countries until they take it on themselves to reform — on separation of mosque and state, freedom of conscience, equality, interfaith tolerance, individual liberty, and unambiguous rejection of terrorism.
Not only is that a policy that can work, it is one an insolvent country can actually afford.
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...Burning the Koran endangers them. Not letting them shoot kills them.
I'm really coming to strongly reject the notion that burning the koran endangers troops. Being in an islamic hell-hole among a nation of people for whom evil is god endangers our troops. The koran had nothing to do with this incident aside from the words written within it and people's adherence to its doctrine.
Then you are inline with Andy McCarthy... (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/263790/no-more-dhimmitude-andrew-c-mccarthy)
[blockquote]What should our new policy be? We should have as little to do with Muslim countries as possible. At home, we should focus on the political and legal terrain with an eye toward:
(a) distinguishing between our allies in the American Muslim community (i.e., those who do not want to impose sharia on public life) and those who seek to undermine our constitutional system, so we can marginalize the latter;
(b) excluding from the United States aliens who would support supplanting the U.S. Constitution with a sharia system (i.e., revisiting the hash Congress and the courts have made regarding the reliance on anti-American ideology — not just ties to violence — as a basis for keeping non-Americans out of our country); and
(c) cutting off immigration from, and sharply reducing contacts with, Muslim countries until they take it on themselves to reform — on separation of mosque and state, freedom of conscience, equality, interfaith tolerance, individual liberty, and unambiguous rejection of terrorism.
Not only is that a policy that can work, it is one an insolvent country can actually afford.
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Makes too much sense for the Left to ever accept. Job number one must be to isolate and marginalize the Left within our own borders. There is no greater threat.
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...Burning the Koran endangers them. Not letting them shoot kills them.
I'm really coming to strongly reject the notion that burning the koran endangers troops. Being in an islamic hell-hole among a nation of people for whom evil is god endangers our troops. The koran had nothing to do with this incident aside from the words written within it and people's adherence to its doctrine.
Then you are inline with Andy McCarthy... (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/263790/no-more-dhimmitude-andrew-c-mccarthy)
[blockquote]What should our new policy be? We should have as little to do with Muslim countries as possible. At home, we should focus on the political and legal terrain with an eye toward:
(a) distinguishing between our allies in the American Muslim community (i.e., those who do not want to impose sharia on public life) and those who seek to undermine our constitutional system, so we can marginalize the latter;
(b) excluding from the United States aliens who would support supplanting the U.S. Constitution with a sharia system (i.e., revisiting the hash Congress and the courts have made regarding the reliance on anti-American ideology — not just ties to violence — as a basis for keeping non-Americans out of our country); and
(c) cutting off immigration from, and sharply reducing contacts with, Muslim countries until they take it on themselves to reform — on separation of mosque and state, freedom of conscience, equality, interfaith tolerance, individual liberty, and unambiguous rejection of terrorism.
Not only is that a policy that can work, it is one an insolvent country can actually afford.
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Makes too much sense for the Left to ever accept. Job number one must be to isolate and marginalize the Left within our own borders. There is no greater threat.
::thumbsup::
The snake within is letting in the snakes from without, cut the head of the snake!
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Ms. Barnhardt is the ideal of Western womanhood, a modern day Joan d'Arc. Makes me glad to be a red-blooded American man. ::USA::
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per Miss Barnhardt:
Donald Duck - Der Fuehrers Face [High Quality, best viewed as 720p] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iumEGAUceDg#)
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Ms. Barnhardt is the ideal of Western womanhood, a modern day Joan d'Arc. Makes me glad to be a red-blooded American man. ::USA::
Ummm.... That would be Joan OF Ark, in English pally...
::whatgives:: ::pokeineye:: ::rolllaughing:: ::beertoast:: ::exitstageleft::
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I just wanted to be worldly and sophisticated... ::clapping::
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BTW, you may have noticed that comments are disabled at the youtube page for each of the videos. You CAN comment on her youtube home page here. (http://www.youtube.com/user/AnnBarnhardt) And lots of people are.
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BTW, you may have noticed that comments are disabled at the youtube page for each of the videos. You CAN comment on her youtube home page here. (http://www.youtube.com/user/AnnBarnhardt) And lots of people are.
Trap do you know how to save those to your hard drive? If you do save them before they get taken down.
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I suppose they'll print Korans on fire retardant paper. ::rockets::
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I suppose they'll print Korans on fire retardant paper. ::rockets::
That's ok you can still wipe with it
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Hannioty is going on and on about it again today! ::bashing::
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Hannioty is going on and on about it again today! ::bashing::
I can't wait to see him to night.Nothing like bumping up my blood pressure.
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I never really watched Hannity, but he does come on after Rush, so I listen to him occasionally when I'm in the car. He's got a good heart, and I agree with him on most things, but he's just not all that bright. I can't listen to him for very long, particularly when he's interviewing some liberal jackass and letting him/her get away with murder. I end up screaming at the radio. ::bashing::
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Those of you who have been here will know that I have said for years that Hannity is a light weight. Not a serious thinker. He is a guy banging a pot with a spoon, the operative strategy being to achieve notoriety by making the most noise.
I don't remember you saying that specifically, since I didn't spend a lot of time at PL and CT, but I agree wholeheartedly and I've said it myself. Hannity simply isn't in the same intellectual league as Limbaugh, Levin, Beck, Prager, or Medved and Bennett for that matter.
And speaking of noise, Hannity's voice really grates on me. He always speaks at exactly the same volume level and I can only take it for so long. Levin can yell louder, but he can also speak very softly when he wants to.
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Interview with Ann Barnhardt at I Own The World. (http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=69662)
iOTW - What is your take on draw Muhammed day? Is this inciting, or is it testing whether Sharia is compliant with current American law or not?
Ann – Dude. I just did “Draw Mohammed Day” on bootlegged Mexican racehorse steroids.
Photo from American Digest (http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/citizens/ann_barnhardt_on_full_aut.php):
(http://americandigest.org/annbarnhardt2-thumb.jpg)
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iOTW – Have you received any threats?
Ann – Not yet. But I don’t think the videos have reached outside of the Patriot Class yet. I expect that to start later this week.
iOTW – Have you heard from Lindsey Graham’s office?
Ann – No. They haven’t come out of the men’s room yet.
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Interview with Ann Barnhardt at I Own The World. (http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=69662)
iOTW - What is your take on draw Muhammed day? Is this inciting, or is it testing whether Sharia is compliant with current American law or not?
Ann – Dude. I just did “Draw Mohammed Day” on bootlegged Mexican racehorse steroids.
Photo from American Digest (http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/citizens/ann_barnhardt_on_full_aut.php):
(http://americandigest.org/annbarnhardt2-thumb.jpg)
I just love her! Thank you for posting this. I have shared this with some friends and they loved it, too!
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A good role model for for a daughter to choose.
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That line (challenge to Graham) "the only way this ends is with you sobbing in the men's room" is majorly LOL-worthy.
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That line (challenge to Graham) "the only way this ends is with you sobbing in the men's women's room" is majorly LOL-worthy.
FIFY
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That line (challenge to Graham) "the only way this ends is with you sobbing in the men's women's room" is majorly LOL-worthy.
FIFY
::hysterical::
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More from Miss Barnhardt:
Posted by Ann Barnhardt - April 6, AD 2011 1:11 PM MST
1. FANBOYS: I love you too, but DO NOT show up here unannounced. Think tactically. This is a warzone, and I am the front line. NEVER, EVER sneak up on a friendly in an active combat theater. If my doorbell rings unannounced, the only thing that happens is that I instantly take up position, ready to rumble, trigger finger extended, but otherwise aimed and at the ready. WE DON'T WANT ANY ACCIDENTS. This isn't a game, gentlemen. This is deathly serious. Please remember that.
2. Reiterating: YOU DO NOT NEED TO ASK MY PERMISSION to repost, copy, distribute, download or anything else. Every blog post and public YouTube clip is IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN. Dude, that's why I did this. Not to snipe about copyright. This has nothing to do with money or intellectual property. It has to do with saving our great Republic, and Western Civilization.
3. A lot of websites are talking about "taking up a collection" for me, and people are emailing and commenting on the YouTube page that I should set up a PayPal account or something. ABSOLUTELY NOT. I have no interest in profiting off of this. I will EARN my money through my work and trade, which is commodity futures and options brokerage and cattle marketing consultation. Our soldiers are hanging themselves out on the front lines every single day, and many of them come home in a box, and there are no PayPal accounts for them. I truly appreciate the sentiment, but I want to shut that avenue down right away.
4. The full two hour Andrea Shea King show is a FREE DOWNLOAD podcast on iTunes. If you have an Apple device and would like to hear it, it is just a download away. Thanks again to Andrea Shea King and all of the lovely callers that I got to visit with last night. Several more radio appearances have been booked this morning.
5. Less than 6 negative emails so far. No muslim backlash. I think I scare the piss out of them. And that is as it should be.
6. It has gone viral in Europe, Egypt and Australia. I have had emails from the U.K., Ireland, LOTS from the Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, France, Germany, Italy, Israel; and the Coptic Christians in Egypt are translating it with Arabic subtitles for repost on YouTube as we speak. Pray for the Copts of Egypt and the Christians in the Ivory Coast, Iraq and Pakistan. They are in the midst of a holocaust - as are MANY Christians throughout the Mid-East and Africa. Why don't we ever hear about THAT?
7. A Frenchman offered me his GORGEOUS, GORGEOUS Parisian rental apartment for a week. Sigh. Apres la guerre, mon ami. Apres la guerre.
8. Best photoshop of me yet (and thanks for making me look all skinny). This from Mr. Rides A Pale Horse at iOTW.com HERE (http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=69819)
(http://www.barnhardt.biz/blogimages/AWB.jpg)
That is all. Carry on. Oh, and I love you. ;-)
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Ann Barnhardt for President?
::saywhat::
Seriously though, it is the women of this great country who are standing up and saying and doing what the men are afraid to do. Why is that? Has the effect of political correctness neutered males, but empowered and immunized women? Have men just become used to measuring their words so carefully so as to not get stomped on? Do women not suffer from that same conditioning?
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Ann Barnhardt for President?
::saywhat::
Seriously though, it is the women of this great country who are standing up and saying and doing what the men are afraid to do. Why is that? Has the effect of political correctness neutered males, but empowered and immunized women? Have men just become used to measuring their words so carefully so as to not get stomped on? Do women not suffer from that same conditioning?
Yes, yes. YES. For the most part, no. Protected class and all that. Conservative women not included in the class protection thingie, but we're pretty much used to the opprobrium visited on our heads from speaking the truth, although most of the very worst of it comes from other women.
Ann's video is posted at my local forum; the comments there are just what you'd expect from the squishes and the left, but the one woman's view is "she thinks a lot of herself, doesn't she?".
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Ann Barnhardt for President?
::saywhat::
Seriously though, it is the women of this great country who are standing up and saying and doing what the men are afraid to do. Why is that? Has the effect of political correctness neutered males, but empowered and immunized women? Have men just become used to measuring their words so carefully so as to not get stomped on? Do women not suffer from that same conditioning?
Yes, yes. YES. For the most part, no. Protected class and all that. Conservative women not included in the class protection thingie, but we're pretty much used to the opprobrium visited on our heads from speaking the truth, although most of the very worst of it comes from other women.
Ann's video is posted at my local forum; the comments there are just what you'd expect from the squishes and the left, but the one woman's view is "she thinks a lot of herself, doesn't she?".
But you have to look at who made that comment.She didn't drink the kool aid she bathes in it first.She's so closed off in her little world that anything outside her comfort zone srares tha ever lovin crap out of her.
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Yes, yes. YES. For the most part, no. Protected class and all that. Conservative women not included in the class protection thingie, but we're pretty much used to the opprobrium visited on our heads from speaking the truth, although most of the very worst of it comes from other women.
Ann's video is posted at my local forum; the comments there are just what you'd expect from the squishes and the left, but the one woman's view is "she thinks a lot of herself, doesn't she?".
Where an insecure person would see arrogance, I see self-confidence. No worries, Pandora. We get it. She doesn't.
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There are some so-called conservatives I have encountered who think Ann is an "imbecile," and burning the Koran "accomplishes nothing." Of course, these so-called conservatives are notorious "moderate" squishes.
I might agree with these squishes, if Ann had merely burnt the Koran, but she didn't. She read from it to illustrate the EVIL that is in it, and that is what she accomplished by burning it. Pointing out the evil in it was her goal, in an attempt to get some of the people who are closing their eyes to the reality about Islam to open their eyes. Some just don't get that, though. They have bought the narrative that it isn't Islam that is evil, it's radical extremists who have hijacked a "peaceful" religion, and they believe that most Muslims are "just like us." ::bashing::
Some others just object to burning any books on principle. One equated what Ann did with the Nazi book-burnings. Such idiocy. Anyone who can't see the difference between burning ONE copy of book, in protest, and rounding up all copies of a book and burning them to keep anyone from reading them, is...well...an imbecile.
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I hope Ann keeps on scaring the living scat out of all of our enemies!
::thumbsup::
::whoohoo::
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Nearly 1/2 the comments at: http://www.redstate.com/coldwarrior/2011/04/05/how-is-burning-paper-with-ink-on-it-an-act-of-violence/ (http://www.redstate.com/coldwarrior/2011/04/05/how-is-burning-paper-with-ink-on-it-an-act-of-violence/) |> are negative. Un flying believable, they need help,, the author needs support.
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Nearly 1/2 the comments at: http://www.redstate.com/coldwarrior/2011/04/05/how-is-burning-paper-with-ink-on-it-an-act-of-violence/ (http://www.redstate.com/coldwarrior/2011/04/05/how-is-burning-paper-with-ink-on-it-an-act-of-violence/) |> are negative. Un flying believable, they need help,, the author needs support.
It was pretty obvious that some of the negative comments on one particular site I was on were being made by people who hadn't even watched the videos. Keep that in mind.
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Janny, maybe we were on the same site
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Janny, maybe we were on the same site
I doubt it. This was a smaller forum.
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Nearly 1/2 the comments at: http://www.redstate.com/coldwarrior/2011/04/05/how-is-burning-paper-with-ink-on-it-an-act-of-violence/ (http://www.redstate.com/coldwarrior/2011/04/05/how-is-burning-paper-with-ink-on-it-an-act-of-violence/) |> are negative. Un flying believable, they need help,, the author needs support.
It was pretty obvious that some of the negative comments on one particular site I was on were being made by people who hadn't even watched the videos. Keep that in mind.
RedState is supposed to be a Conservative site, are they being trolled or is its appeal to Country Clubbers? Would it be inappropriate to go and intentionally support her by comment?
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Nearly 1/2 the comments at: http://www.redstate.com/coldwarrior/2011/04/05/how-is-burning-paper-with-ink-on-it-an-act-of-violence/ (http://www.redstate.com/coldwarrior/2011/04/05/how-is-burning-paper-with-ink-on-it-an-act-of-violence/) |> are negative. Un flying believable, they need help,, the author needs support.
It was pretty obvious that some of the negative comments on one particular site I was on were being made by people who hadn't even watched the videos. Keep that in mind.
RedState is supposed to be a Conservative site, are they being trolled or is its appeal to Country Clubbers? Would it be inappropriate to go and intentionally support her by comment?
I think not. Go educate the idiot who avers that Ann "just makes herself look bad for not understanding the basics of the First Amendment."
What is about "CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW ..." that these idiots don't get.
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I just got an email from one of my conservative sources, with Andrew McCarthy's commentary featured in it.
You can find it here at National Review Online (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/263916/more-koran-burning-andrew-c-mccarthy) but this sums it up pretty well.
These people regard the Koran as the most important of their scriptures. When someone burns the Koran in an act of indiscriminate, wholesale condemnation, the message to them is that their belief system is incorrigible. Freedom of speech means that we have to allow that argument to be made, and I’m not entirely sure it’s wrong. But good Muslim people give us reason to hope that what ails Islam can be reformed. I don’t see the upside in alienating those people. I think you can condemn the condemnable aspects of the Koran without condemning everything. But that’s just my opinion, and Mr. Jones is as entitled to his as I am to mine. And for what it’s worth, I doubt my opinion would be much more popular than his in Mazar-e-Sharif
He doesn't get it. These people are already alienated from us. These people already want to kill us. He is swallowing the media narrative that the "good" Muslim people are non-violent and "just like us."
He also doesn't get the concept that the Koran teaches these murderers to behave that way, and it is indeed an EVIL book.
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I just got an email from one of my conservative sources, with Andrew McCarthy's commentary featured in it.
You can find it here at National Review Online (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/263916/more-koran-burning-andrew-c-mccarthy) but this sums it up pretty well.
These people regard the Koran as the most important of their scriptures. When someone burns the Koran in an act of indiscriminate, wholesale condemnation, the message to them is that their belief system is incorrigible. Freedom of speech means that we have to allow that argument to be made, and I’m not entirely sure it’s wrong. But good Muslim people give us reason to hope that what ails Islam can be reformed. I don’t see the upside in alienating those people. I think you can condemn the condemnable aspects of the Koran without condemning everything. But that’s just my opinion, and Mr. Jones is as entitled to his as I am to mine. And for what it’s worth, I doubt my opinion would be much more popular than his in Mazar-e-Sharif
He doesn't get it. These people are already alienated from us. These people already want to kill us. He is swallowing the media narrative that the "good" Muslim people are non-violent and "just like us."He also doesn't get the concept that the Koran teaches these murderers to behave that way, and it is indeed an EVIL book.
If that is true then we have nothing to worry about because they know where were coming from.Since I don't hear anything from the so called good Muslims I have nothing to go by.They haven't said word one supporting our view so I have to assume they don't support us.In that case who cares what they think.
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These people regard the Koran as the most important of their scriptures. When someone burns the Koran in an act of indiscriminate, wholesale condemnation, the message to them is that their belief system is incorrigible.
OK, I'm with you so far. Yup. Exactly right. So what's the problem again?
Freedom of speech means that we have to allow that argument to be made, and I’m not entirely sure it’s wrong. But good Muslim people give us reason to hope that what ails Islam can be reformed. I don’t see the upside in alienating those people. I think you can condemn the condemnable aspects of the Koran without condemning everything. But that’s just my opinion, and Mr. Jones is as entitled to his as I am to mine. And for what it’s worth, I doubt my opinion would be much more popular than his in Mazar-e-Sharif
Ahhh, clinging to the notion that Islam can be reformed from within. How Utopian. You know what I find amazing? We watch the reality of Islam playing out right before our very eyes. And yet people are more willing to believe that Islam will reform from within than believe in what they must know to be the truth about this evil ideology.
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It can be reformed from within. Get right in the middle of 'em with Glock's chain gun and get 'er done. Pacification Pershing style.
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Git sum!
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...These people regard the Koran as the most important of their scriptures. When someone burns the Koran in an act of indiscriminate, wholesale condemnation, the message to them is that their belief system is incorrigible.
OK, I'm with you so far. Yup. Exactly right. So what's the problem again?
Freedom of speech means that we have to allow that argument to be made, and I’m not entirely sure it’s wrong. But good Muslim people give us reason to hope that what ails Islam can be reformed. I don’t see the upside in alienating those people. I think you can condemn the condemnable aspects of the Koran without condemning everything. But that’s just my opinion, and Mr. Jones is as entitled to his as I am to mine. And for what it’s worth, I doubt my opinion would be much more popular than his in Mazar-e-Sharif
Ahhh, clinging to the notion that Islam can be reformed from within. How Utopian. You know what I find amazing? We watch the reality of Islam playing out right before our very eyes. And yet people are more willing to believe that Islam will reform from within than believe in what they must know to be the truth about this evil ideology.
I'm flabbergasted. This (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/263790/no-more-dhimmitude-andrew-c-mccarthy) is McCarthy's piece from just the day before Janny's link.
As far as islam's from-within reformation goes, this notion being promulgated by conservatives who have written extensively on the issue, such as Robert Spencer, is why the conversation has not been able to be moved forward ala Auster, who advocates complete separation of West from muslim. Some writers will dip a toe in that pond only to jerk it right out again lest they be judged harshly, or from fear, ala Mark Steyn.
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Here's an article by Roger Kimball and comment thread at Pajamas Media:
Ann Barnhardt, Culture Hero (http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/2011/04/06/ann-barnhardt-culture-hero/)
I haven't read every comment, but the majority seem to be favorable. I have two comments there, after #16 and #25.
ETA: Three. Another one after #51.
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Caught about 5 minutes of Hannity on the radio yesterday with Pastor Jones as a guest. He was beating the sh*t out of Jones, saying that because Petraeus thinks burning korans endangers troops, that it shouldn't be done.
How can otherwise intelligent people attribute causation for Islamic-motivated slaughter of the infidel to the burning of a book on the other side of the globe? Can't they see the trap of dhimmitude they're falling into? To even acknowledge a correlation is accepting a fallacy that fundamentally undermines our ability to deal with the sick reality of Islam.
Petraeus should be court martialed. Did you see where they are having women soldiers wear the rag on the head? It's criminal, they need to have their helmets on.
God, I want our people out of those stone age sh*tholes.
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Caught about 5 minutes of Hannity on the radio yesterday with Pastor Jones as a guest. He was beating the sh*t out of Jones, saying that because Petraeus thinks burning korans endangers troops, that it shouldn't be done.
How can otherwise intelligent people attribute causation for Islamic-motivated slaughter of the infidel to the burning of a book on the other side of the globe? Can't they see the trap of dhimmitude they're falling into? To even acknowledge a correlation is accepting a fallacy that fundamentally undermines our ability to deal with the sick reality of Islam.
Petraeus should be court martialed. Did you see where they are having women soldiers wear the rag on the head? It's criminal, they need to have their helmets on.
God, I want our people out of those stone age sh*tholes.
I'm about there with ya sable. I was all for both Iraq and Afghanistan for the reasons given at the time, but dammit, if we're not there to win - as in kill as many of the enemy as it takes to break his will and cede to our demands - then we should never have gone in the first place, and we should get the hell out. And to be clear, I'm not saying we shouldn't have gone. Only that we should have gone and done it right.
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I just downloaded a free copy of the koran from Project Guttenberg. I will commence trying to get thru it tomorrow.
I have a feeling it's going to make me sick, just from the little I already know.
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If you find yourself muddled up, try "Prophet of Doom" by Craig Winn.
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I just downloaded a free copy of the koran from Project Guttenberg. I will commence trying to get thru it tomorrow.
I have a feeling it's going to make me sick, just from the little I already know.
The print version is better...for emergency TP anyway...just be sure the paper isn't to coarse.
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I just downloaded a free copy of the koran from Project Guttenberg. I will commence trying to get thru it tomorrow.
I have a feeling it's going to make me sick, just from the little I already know.
The print version is better...for emergency TP anyway...just be sure the paper isn't to coarse.
And whatever you do don't burn it!!Using it as TP is fine only with your left hand.
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I wanted to be very careful before I posted this …….I Being a Messianic Believer in Yeshua Jesus, and forgive me a Zionist ::angel:: ……….. many could claim I am posting this because I am pro Israel therefore assume I am anti Islam. However, I am trying to be as honest and objective as possible.
Now as far as Islam goes, from my research and reading parts of the Koran I have concluded that: A "good muslim" is one who believes in jihad and sharia law. I think Islam is a religion of anger and violence; sadly many in America are clueless to what Islam is and teaches. Many think there are moderate Muslims. If there are, I believe, it is because they do not take the Koran seriously or poorly understand it. Well, from what I’ve read and from what Walid Shoebat says…………… "A moderate Muslim is not a "good muslim' he is going against what is taught in the koran and will go to hell."
Here is Walid Shoebat, former PLO terrorist and Muslim brotherhood member explaining it much better than I;
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7x3UCHnlo4#Walid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7x3UCHnlo4#Walid) Shoebat: Islam and Satan - The Most Proud One (1 of 2)
Part 2
On You Tube
Here is another good video with Kamal Saleem a former terrorist and Muslim brotherhood member as Walid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlV9gFFTbys#Former (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlV9gFFTbys#Former) muslims Share Jesus Christ with Muslims !
To further strengthen the point is the son of a Hammas leader. Mosab Hassan Yousef on Allah:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0bYPAuExZA#Islam's (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0bYPAuExZA#Islam's) Allah and religion is the biggest terrorism in the world says Son of Hamas founder
As Yousef says. “The God of Islam asks Muslims to kill Jews and Christians and anyone who does not believe in the Islamic God. Allah. The majority of Muslims are not terrorists however the majority of Muslims do not understand Islam. Once they understand Islam they understand what the God of Islam wants from them and then they become terrorists."
Again fom Walid:
"It is a message of Salvation why the terror and killing that Muslims use is going on."
"Christianity offers assurance of Salvation: By the substitutional death and resurrection of Yeshua Jesus for us, by the drop of His blood we are all saved. In Romans 10:9 because if you acknowledge and confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and in your heart believe (adhere to, trust in, and rely on the truth) that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
In Islam there is no assurance of Salvation, The only way one can have assurance of Salvation is by their (martyrdom) own death. By the first drop of the blood of the martyr he now can enter into heaven and intercede for 70 members of his family.
The Islam Religion is the opposite of the Christianity.
Islam rejects the intercession of Yeshua Jesus our Lord but offers the intercession of the martyr – the intersession of the sinner.The reward for the martyr is 72 mansions each with 72 beds and on each bed are 72 beautiful virgin women.
The Quran contains at least 100 plus verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.
Here in the link below are some of the 100 plus verses taken directly from the koran that preach violence upon non believers. http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/023-violence.htm (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/023-violence.htm)
Finally this is form The Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, who created the Islamic Republic of Iran said:
"Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those are witless. Islam says ‘Kill the unbelievers.... Kill them, put them to the sword and scatter their armies!’... There are thousands of other [Koranic] verses and hadiths urging Muslims to value war.... Does all that mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim."
Oh and did I mention Muslims really do not like the Jewish People:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Gzyeo1Z1I4#The (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Gzyeo1Z1I4#The) shocking video Muslims don't want you to see!!
I am praying for the Peace of Jerusalem.
Shalom Jerusalem - Paul Wilbur (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xryb_OnPE0#noexternalembed)
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I wanted to be very careful before I posted this …….I Being a Messianic Believer in Yeshua Jesus, and forgive me a Zionist ::angel:: ……….. many could claim I am posting this because I am pro Israel therefore assume I am anti Islam. However, I am trying to be as honest and objective as possible.
Now as far as Islam goes, from my research and reading parts of the Koran I have concluded that: A "good muslim" is one who believes in jihad and sharia law. I think Islam is a religion of anger and violence; sadly many in America are clueless to what Islam is and teaches. Many think there are moderate Muslims. If there are, I believe, it is because they do not take the Koran seriously or poorly understand it. Well, from what I’ve read and from what Walid Shoebat says…………… "A moderate Muslim is not a "good muslim' he is going against what is taught in the koran and will go to hell."
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Magnum, I understand totally. The problem is that Islam directs and instructs its true believers to kill the infidels. Christianity teaches the true believers to love your neighbor as you love yourself.
Now, if anybody wants to get into an argument with me about the moral equivalence of Islam and Christianity, then I'm gonna take the gloves off . . .
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Magnum, I understand totally. The problem is that Islam directs and instructs its true believers to kill the infidels. Christianity teaches the true believers to love your neighbor as you love yourself.
Now, if anybody wants to get into an argument with me about the moral equivalence of Islam and Christianity, then I'm gonna take the gloves off . . .
That seems to be the most common tactic that people who just don't get it about Islam use. The old moral equivalence BS. You can take passages out of the bible that are violent, they claim, just as you can take passages "out of context" from the Koran to support condemning the religion. Your first statement is the truth of it. Christianity and Islam are diametrically opposed to one another. Usually, it's the non-religious who make that pathetic argument, but sometimes it's people who profess to be Christians who simply have no clue.
Allah is Satan. Islam is pure evil. Moderate Muslims? Nope. Moderate Muslims are not Muslims.
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Good. Need to make it widespread mutual; they already did.